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- 0:00Speaker 1: I Am all in Again. Let's you.
- 0:17Speaker 2: Hi.
- 0:17Speaker 1: I Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I amland Podcast one eleven productions,
- 0:26Speaker 1: iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts, Season three, episode twenty. We're getting
- 0:30Speaker 1: pretty long down the road on season three, it's going
- 0:34Speaker 1: by fast. Say good night, Gracie, and we're very special
- 0:38Speaker 1: guest David Rogers. He's an editor and producer of the
- 0:42Speaker 1: Emmy winning show The Office, plus The Mindy Project, uploads
- 0:46Speaker 1: Space Force, New Office spin spin off show The Paper,
- 0:52Speaker 1: just to name a few. He also ventured into directing
- 0:56Speaker 1: some of those same shows as well. But before all
- 0:59Speaker 1: of that, he was on one episode of Gilmore Girls.
- 1:04Speaker 1: Got Your Startup Gilmore Girls Season three, episode eighteen, A
- 1:08Speaker 1: Tale of Pose and Fire. Welcome David to the show.
- 1:12Speaker 2: Thank you, it's great to be Here's great to meet you.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Great to meet you. It's You've come. You've You've traveled
- 1:20Speaker 1: a very great distance from your debut on the show.
- 1:24Speaker 1: Congratulations on all your success. Air date May sixth, two
- 1:30Speaker 1: thousand and three. Synopsis. The unexpected visit from Jess's father
- 1:35Speaker 1: and repercussions of the party pushed Jess and Luke to
- 1:39Speaker 1: their limits and Jess skips town. Rory is feeling all
- 1:43Speaker 1: the thanks from being in a relationship with Jess. Fran
- 1:46Speaker 1: passes away sadly, which makes room for Suki and Laura
- 1:50Speaker 1: l I to buy the dragon Fly in in a
- 1:53Speaker 1: hilarious scene directed by Jamie Babbitt, written by Amy Sherman
- 1:58Speaker 1: Palladino and Janet Lahey. Before we get into all this, David,
- 2:02Speaker 1: what did you think of this episode overall?
- 2:05Speaker 2: I really liked it. I have to say it was. Uh,
- 2:10Speaker 2: you know, it's it's got such a great balance, you know,
- 2:13Speaker 2: as do most of the episodes. It's got such a
- 2:15Speaker 2: great balance of comedy and drama. And uh, I'm not
- 2:20Speaker 2: to I don't mean to kiss up to you or anything,
- 2:22Speaker 2: but you have a couple of great scenes in here,
- 2:25Speaker 2: you know. I don't I don't know if I should
- 2:27Speaker 2: jump ahead or anything like that. But you know the
- 2:31Speaker 2: scene where you where you and Rob estes, uh, you know,
- 2:35Speaker 2: where you visit Jimmy Marinaro and we find out who
- 2:39Speaker 2: he is. That's a that's just a great scene. I
- 2:41Speaker 2: feel like that's a scene actors just love to, you know,
- 2:44Speaker 2: to get to do, just to be able to you know,
- 2:47Speaker 2: kind of unleash that kind of you know, uh, you know,
- 2:51Speaker 2: just kind of anger and just but but by still
- 2:53Speaker 2: keeping it grounded and uh, you know, and and then also, uh,
- 2:58Speaker 2: you know, I feel like the scene at the end
- 3:00Speaker 2: with you and uh, Mila Milo, but with you and Jess,
- 3:07Speaker 2: that's another great scene, another great confrontation and uh, you know,
- 3:11Speaker 2: so those are those are things that I always, you know,
- 3:14Speaker 2: appreciate to see and and being and I'm entertained by.
- 3:19Speaker 2: But but there's such a funny balance. But you know
- 3:23Speaker 2: between that, the flip side of that is, you know,
- 3:27Speaker 2: seeing uh I call everybody in other characters, but seeing
- 3:31Speaker 2: Lorelei and Suki you know, try to try to you know,
- 3:35Speaker 2: how they want to go about getting the dragonfly in
- 3:37Speaker 2: and what they do with the funeral walk and everything.
- 3:40Speaker 2: It's just very very funny and enjoyable episode.
- 3:45Speaker 1: And as a as a producer and a director yourself,
- 3:49Speaker 1: you know, I kind of feel two ways about the
- 3:52Speaker 1: storylines being separated so drastically. Where Luke and Jess were
- 3:58Speaker 1: having an experience over here, Laura was having her experience
- 4:01Speaker 1: over there. Uh and they never never the Twain did meet, right,
- 4:09Speaker 1: I was I was almost wanting Laureli to come in
- 4:14Speaker 1: and provide more, you know, a different energy to this
- 4:17Speaker 1: dynamic and what that would have felt like. Why, in
- 4:21Speaker 1: your professional opinion, in your experience, did they keep it separated?
- 4:25Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's a there's a few reasons
- 4:29Speaker 2: why I could. I could guess one is probably the
- 4:33Speaker 2: shooting schedule and you know who's who's heavy. You know
- 4:38Speaker 2: who's busy and what scenes and turnarounds and things like that,
- 4:41Speaker 2: and you know they think about those kinds of things.
- 4:44Speaker 2: So it's you know, the lead actresses aren't in every
- 4:49Speaker 2: scene and aren't heavy, you know, with every storyline they need,
- 4:53Speaker 2: you know, because sometimes they just need a break, you know,
- 4:56Speaker 2: because they're doing other you know, and when and when
- 4:58Speaker 2: when the actresses when like and you know this too,
- 5:01Speaker 2: when there are days that you're not shooting, you're probably
- 5:03Speaker 2: getting a costume fitting or something, or you have a
- 5:06Speaker 2: mandatory haircut and things like that. So I'm guessing that's
- 5:09Speaker 2: you know, part of probably the logistics behind the scenes
- 5:12Speaker 2: to some of that. But I think also from a
- 5:14Speaker 2: writing standpoint that this is about, you know, introducing this component,
- 5:20Speaker 2: introducing you know, Jimmy, the you know, Jess's father, is
- 5:24Speaker 2: more about you guys, and there would be time later
- 5:27Speaker 2: for for laural I, you know, and and Rory to discover,
- 5:32Speaker 2: you know, what was going on, and and you know
- 5:35Speaker 2: how how it this has storyline, it has affected you.
- 5:39Speaker 2: You know. Uh, that's that's really what I think is
- 5:42Speaker 2: probably just from a writing standpoint that you know, it's
- 5:46Speaker 2: better to wait a little bit, let you let you
- 5:48Speaker 2: guys experience it first, and then bring them in. You know,
- 5:53Speaker 2: this is your story, you know, I mean, and it's
- 5:56Speaker 2: it's kind of nice sometimes to get a break from
- 5:58Speaker 2: things and and again to have that comedy of the
- 6:01Speaker 2: of the loralized supy story, you know, mixed in with
- 6:04Speaker 2: this you know, new dramatic you know storyline that that
- 6:09Speaker 2: has has arrived. That's you know, I think that's a
- 6:11Speaker 2: good balance.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big it's a big deal. This is
- 6:15Speaker 1: a big episode for Jess. It's a it's it's this
- 6:19Speaker 1: episode really got me. It really got me just to
- 6:23Speaker 1: see what this poor kid is going through and what
- 6:27Speaker 1: he has to shoulder going forward. It's not it's just
- 6:31Speaker 1: not what he's dealing with now, but what his you know,
- 6:34Speaker 1: his future and how he has to to to sort
- 6:37Speaker 1: of navigate through this and it's years of this. It's
- 6:40Speaker 1: gonna be years of this dealing with this emotionally, and
- 6:43Speaker 1: it really really got me. I thought the casting was
- 6:46Speaker 1: so dead on. I mean, they look alike, they sound alike.
- 6:51Speaker 1: They have the same sort of like I don't know,
- 6:53Speaker 1: upper register, like almost a tenor voice where it's like
- 6:57Speaker 1: there's this lilt to it, and and a testament to
- 7:01Speaker 1: both their skills. I mean, somebody was imitating somebody else.
- 7:06Speaker 1: The rob ASTs came in and I thought, really did
- 7:08Speaker 1: a great job. Yeah, tough role to play.
- 7:11Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's and again it's a
- 7:14Speaker 2: great I love the detail of how he left when
- 7:19Speaker 2: you explain, you know, when when when Luke explains, like,
- 7:23Speaker 2: you know, you went out for diapers and never came back,
- 7:26Speaker 2: like he left. So we discovered that he left really early.
- 7:30Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, right right exactly. That is
- 7:35Speaker 1: a perfect use of exposition, you know, kind of late
- 7:40Speaker 1: in the piece into the well. I mean, if it's
- 7:43Speaker 1: a film structure, I don't know much about TV structure,
- 7:45Speaker 1: but film, if it's a film structure, it's like late
- 7:48Speaker 1: in the second act and a scene of extreme conflict,
- 7:51Speaker 1: that's when it can come out, and that's when it's
- 7:54Speaker 1: best to come out right the exposition. But anyway, all right,
- 7:59Speaker 1: so why don't we deal with the aftermath of this party.
- 8:03Speaker 1: There was a lot going on in this episode. Yeah,
- 8:06Speaker 1: so much going on. Laurel, I's proud of Rory going
- 8:10Speaker 1: to her first cop rated party, as she put it,
- 8:13Speaker 1: and sings wind beneath My Wings. Very funny. When Lane
- 8:16Speaker 1: got home after her drunken phone call to her mother,
- 8:21Speaker 1: she's freezing out Lane. Luke got a call from Kyle's dad.
- 8:26Speaker 1: Caused a lot of damage and Jess has to pay
- 8:28Speaker 1: the back, but Luke has to deal with with the father.
- 8:34Speaker 1: Dave shows up at Lane's then asked missus Kim for
- 8:37Speaker 1: permission to take Lelane to the prom hysterical speech.
- 8:41Speaker 2: That's a very very funny scene.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very and he's, you know, Adam Brodie's
- 8:48Speaker 1: just so good in this role, so good in this role.
- 8:51Speaker 1: She gives him a psalm and he doesn't know what
- 8:55Speaker 1: it is. He goes home to do research.
- 9:00Speaker 2: Yeah, when he leaves, you feel like he's like, okay,
- 9:03Speaker 2: got it. And then he walks down and he's like,
- 9:06Speaker 2: I don't know what she just said. I don't know
- 9:08Speaker 2: if that's a yes or a no, you know, very funny.
- 9:11Speaker 2: And then yeah, I don't want to. The aftermath of
- 9:14Speaker 2: that is very funny.
- 9:15Speaker 1: The return, Oh god, uh, Lane apologizes for that party
- 9:23Speaker 1: night or the other night. Dave still shows up and
- 9:27Speaker 1: admits he reads the read the Bible from cover to
- 9:29Speaker 1: cover to impress missus Kim and and and give her
- 9:34Speaker 1: her permission to go to the problem with him, and
- 9:36Speaker 1: which she which she did grant, but with conditions. There
- 9:39Speaker 1: were some very severe conditions.
- 9:41Speaker 2: Oh that was it. That was the thing. When he
- 9:43Speaker 2: comes back, it is very funny how he read the
- 9:45Speaker 2: whole Bible and she was impressed by that, and she
- 9:48Speaker 2: kind of throws the line away of like I've only
- 9:50Speaker 2: done it three times. He's like, but you know, I
- 9:56Speaker 2: mean he's done, but he's done. He's wonner over at least, like, Okay,
- 9:59Speaker 2: you can you know, you can take her to the prom,
- 10:02Speaker 2: but you cannot get married. And I thought that was
- 10:05Speaker 2: very funny.
- 10:06Speaker 1: Oh god, So now we you know, this is Dave's
- 10:09Speaker 1: big moment. This is this is a big episode for day. Yeah,
- 10:12Speaker 1: he stands up for Lane, he reads the Bible, He
- 10:15Speaker 1: impresses missus Kim personally have you ever had to jump
- 10:19Speaker 1: through hoops to get a parent's permission to date someone?
- 10:22Speaker 2: No, I have to say I haven't. I haven't had
- 10:26Speaker 2: that kind of I think my dating all happened a
- 10:29Speaker 2: little bit later when you know, like maybe even later,
- 10:32Speaker 2: even in high school, there wasn't any issues. But I
- 10:36Speaker 2: feel like, you know, certain you know, nationalities, it's you know,
- 10:42Speaker 2: they are protective, and you know there are you know,
- 10:46Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, I don't know, there's there's
- 10:49Speaker 2: also like you know, like I feel like like I'm Jewish,
- 10:53Speaker 2: and I feel like to a certain degree there's like,
- 10:55Speaker 2: oh dated Jewish woman, you know, and it's like I
- 10:57Speaker 2: feel like that comes up from the older generation. It's
- 11:00Speaker 2: like even our parents aren't that concerned with that kind
- 11:02Speaker 2: of thing, but uh, you know, the grandparents would always
- 11:05Speaker 2: push for that, and you know, and I could so
- 11:07Speaker 2: I could see this kind of character like yes, we
- 11:09Speaker 2: want to kind of keep it in our nationality or whatever.
- 11:12Speaker 2: But you know, I think it's great that it's that
- 11:14Speaker 2: it's you know, it's not that and that even the
- 11:18Speaker 2: that the mom is willing to you know, to let
- 11:21Speaker 2: her to let her date Dave, let Lane date Dave.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Right, So it's a little shocking, but he's very, very clever.
- 11:29Speaker 1: He's very charming.
- 11:31Speaker 2: By the way, I was going to just ask you
- 11:32Speaker 2: for a second, have you ever been to any of
- 11:34Speaker 2: these kinds of parties back in high school?
- 11:36Speaker 1: Where no, me, little old me innocent to me, No,
- 11:43Speaker 1: I would never participate in anything like that.
- 11:45Speaker 2: I will say my I had. I just want to
- 11:47Speaker 2: say when I when I watched this episode my buddy
- 11:50Speaker 2: in high school, his parents went out of town and
- 11:52Speaker 2: they told them two things. They said, don't buy a
- 11:55Speaker 2: ferret and don't have a party. The second he bought
- 12:00Speaker 2: a ferret, he bought it because beast Master was the
- 12:03Speaker 2: big thing at the time. Do you remember that movie?
- 12:06Speaker 2: He bought a ferret and uh, and he had a
- 12:09Speaker 2: big party and uh, everybody like crashed the party and
- 12:12Speaker 2: the we I think he had to call the cops
- 12:14Speaker 2: to like break it up. It got too crazy, and
- 12:16Speaker 2: like I remember, like the cops came and people ran
- 12:20Speaker 2: out of the house all over the place, and there
- 12:23Speaker 2: was like a volkswag. And this is in New Jersey,
- 12:25Speaker 2: the suburbs of New Jersey, and.
- 12:26Speaker 1: There was where Where's where'd you grow up?
- 12:28Speaker 2: Mammoth County Marlborough, New Jersey.
- 12:30Speaker 1: Okay, I'm South Jersey.
- 12:32Speaker 2: Yeah, I love New Jersey.
- 12:34Speaker 1: I'm missing you know, but.
- 12:37Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a part. I remember walking around the
- 12:39Speaker 2: neighborhood and then with a friend trying to get him
- 12:41Speaker 2: to sober up, and there was a volkswagon overturned and
- 12:44Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, but uh yeah that
- 12:47Speaker 2: was And then my friend had to return to Ferret.
- 12:49Speaker 2: His parents came home and they made him return to
- 12:51Speaker 2: Ferret and the pet store said, your banned from the store.
- 12:58Speaker 1: Oh, we don't know what that Farret went through the
- 13:02Speaker 1: damaged goods. Now, actually I did. I did throw a
- 13:05Speaker 1: party when my mom and her soon to be husband
- 13:14Speaker 1: went away from the way. They went to Ocean City
- 13:16Speaker 1: for the weekend, and I just decided to throw a
- 13:21Speaker 1: massive party. And the entire school came, I mean, and
- 13:26Speaker 1: there was a fight between who would become my one
- 13:30Speaker 1: of my stepbrothers, and like one of the kids in
- 13:34Speaker 1: the town that was a tough kid, you know. Thename
- 13:37Speaker 1: was Tommy. I don't name him, but you know, I
- 13:42Speaker 1: was good friends with Tommy and and these two got
- 13:45Speaker 1: into it. These two really got into it. And I
- 13:48Speaker 1: don't know, they didn't do a lot of damage. They
- 13:50Speaker 1: went in the backyard and duked it out. You know,
- 13:53Speaker 1: back in the day, everybody used to when somebody got
- 13:56Speaker 1: called out, they you know, they would take it outside
- 14:00Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, and then the circle of observer spectators
- 14:05Speaker 1: would form around them. It was a circle, right, and
- 14:08Speaker 1: they go at it. Yeah. And if somebody tried to
- 14:11Speaker 1: run away from the fight, they get thrown back, bring
- 14:14Speaker 1: him death, right. Uh. Yeah, so I got a little
- 14:20Speaker 1: bit of trouble, No cop. The cops didn't comp The cops.
- 14:22Speaker 2: Came to this party, and uh, and I remember my
- 14:25Speaker 2: friend I went just least. It was my friend Barry's party,
- 14:29Speaker 2: and I remember the cops came in and they were like,
- 14:31Speaker 2: all right, who was invited? And who was you know,
- 14:33Speaker 2: and my friend he's wearing sunglasses and he's the little
- 14:36Speaker 2: tipsy and he's like, oh that's easy. He's like he was.
- 14:38Speaker 2: He wasn't he was? And like you see the kids
- 14:42Speaker 2: who were like, you know, who came, who crashed basically
- 14:44Speaker 2: were like, you know, leave me alone, just you know,
- 14:47Speaker 2: as he called them out, who wasn't invited? But I mean,
- 14:50Speaker 2: you know, it was just we were kids.
- 14:53Speaker 1: They were such good times. Nothing better than high school parties. Yeah,
- 14:59Speaker 1: except call it parties. Okay, so we're doing all this
- 15:02Speaker 1: like so Dean, all right, So Fran passes away sadly,
- 15:08Speaker 1: and then everybody goes to the memorial service, and very
- 15:12Speaker 1: funny moment for Taylor when he forgets to cancel the
- 15:15Speaker 1: marching band and he has to run out. I can't sorry,
- 15:18Speaker 1: cancel the band, cancel and post memorial service, Dean, And
- 15:25Speaker 1: this was I really thought an ingenious way to do this.
- 15:28Speaker 1: Dean tells Rory that he's getting married to Lindsey and
- 15:33Speaker 1: she just kind of coughs, got a reaction, and he
- 15:38Speaker 1: gets a little upset because she does not appear to
- 15:41Speaker 1: be terribly supportive of this or even happy for him,
- 15:46Speaker 1: and he just kind of unloads on her, like you know, Jess,
- 15:49Speaker 1: and he treats you like crap, and will you kidding me?
- 15:53Speaker 1: You know, you can't be happy for me and you're
- 15:56Speaker 1: stuck in this horrible relationship. So now it wakes Rory
- 15:59Speaker 1: up a little bit. And it's just I just, Dave,
- 16:04Speaker 1: I feel so sad for Rory. I feel so bad
- 16:07Speaker 1: for her because I understand how she feels. Kids get
- 16:11Speaker 1: these I mean, adults get in these situations too. Not
- 16:13Speaker 1: just kids, but kids. It's really hard for kids when
- 16:16Speaker 1: they get these situations with the wrong person who feels
- 16:19Speaker 1: like the right person maybe the right person, but they're
- 16:22Speaker 1: just and uh should know what to do, should know
- 16:26Speaker 1: what to do.
- 16:27Speaker 2: I think that the flip side of that is that
- 16:29Speaker 2: Dean is too young to get married eighteen mean in
- 16:34Speaker 2: the graduate in high school, do you know what I mean?
- 16:35Speaker 1: Like to young get married, you got you gotta you
- 16:39Speaker 1: gotta go out there and live alone.
- 16:40Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean I think that's what her and
- 16:43Speaker 2: I think she says that later on when she talks
- 16:44Speaker 2: her much. He's like, she's just you know, he's so young,
- 16:48Speaker 2: you know, why so soon and everything? So you know,
- 16:52Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean I feel like Rory in her
- 16:54Speaker 2: relationship with Jess is it's it's not uncommon from you know,
- 17:00Speaker 2: the struggles that a lot of kids have, what they
- 17:02Speaker 2: you know, dating, when you're at that age where you
- 17:05Speaker 2: meet someone and then you know there's this attraction and
- 17:08Speaker 2: then you know it's a struggle because things aren't quite
- 17:11Speaker 2: right and there are problems, but you still, you know,
- 17:13Speaker 2: just try, you.
- 17:15Speaker 1: Know, well, right, you have no experience doing that, so
- 17:19Speaker 1: you don't know what red flags are. You don't know
- 17:24Speaker 1: how to recognize them, and you wouldn't care if you did.
- 17:29Speaker 2: The heart wants what it wants, I mean, you know.
- 17:34Speaker 1: But she's really beginning to, you know, lose her patience
- 17:37Speaker 1: with this and and feel like she deserves more. She
- 17:41Speaker 1: wants more. I mean, I don't think she wants to
- 17:43Speaker 1: get married, but you know, she at least wants to
- 17:46Speaker 1: get asked to the problem is that reaching for the stars.
- 17:50Speaker 1: You know, she just would like to have, you know,
- 17:56Speaker 1: some certainty, a little bit of certainty, and I just
- 18:00Speaker 1: you know that scene at the end, and we'll jump around.
- 18:03Speaker 1: It's okay, that scene at the end when she sees
- 18:08Speaker 1: him on the bus. She doesn't see his giant double bag,
- 18:11Speaker 1: but she sees him right she gets off the bus
- 18:14Speaker 1: and then he pulls out the bag. And now we
- 18:16Speaker 1: know that poor kid that got me.
- 18:19Speaker 2: But he's so I mean, in his defense, he's so
- 18:22Speaker 2: protective of himself, and he's had this kind of rough past,
- 18:26Speaker 2: like he tried to get prompt tickets and the principle,
- 18:28Speaker 2: you know, the previous I think it was a previous
- 18:30Speaker 2: episode or the principal wouldn't let him. He says, you're
- 18:34Speaker 2: not going to graduate. You can't go. You can't, you know.
- 18:36Speaker 2: So it's not like he didn't try, but he doesn't
- 18:38Speaker 2: communicate with her about it. And I think even the fight,
- 18:43Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, whatever happened between him and
- 18:48Speaker 2: Rory at the party, he still got sucker punched, you know,
- 18:53Speaker 2: And I mean, he didn't start the fight. So he's
- 18:55Speaker 2: in a situation and I feel like these things kind
- 18:57Speaker 2: of like and he gets a little lucky, you know,
- 19:01Speaker 2: with certain things. But you know, I mean, like that's
- 19:04Speaker 2: the thing. He's a you know, he's a he is
- 19:06Speaker 2: a tough guy, and he's got this shell around him.
- 19:09Speaker 2: He's protecting himself. And especially he's got other circumstances happening
- 19:13Speaker 2: in this episode with the return of his father, which
- 19:16Speaker 2: he hasn't he hasn't said anything to you know, to
- 19:20Speaker 2: her about it. So Jess, you know, Jess has this
- 19:23Speaker 2: protective shell around him that he because of the struggles
- 19:28Speaker 2: he's had in life, and it's hard for Rory to
- 19:32Speaker 2: kind of break through that.
- 19:33Speaker 1: Yeah, she she just doesn't have a chance against all that.
- 19:36Speaker 1: She doesn't know it, which is why Laura I continually
- 19:41Speaker 1: tried to steer her away from getting involved. She saw
- 19:45Speaker 1: it she saw this. I mean, boy did she see
- 19:47Speaker 1: it coming. But in those situations, nature takes its course, hysterical. Really,
- 19:55Speaker 1: Maybe the funniest scene of the episode was was one
- 20:00Speaker 1: Laura Lai and Suki were were and that was that
- 20:04Speaker 1: you know the guy that they were that's Melissa McCarthy's husband. Yeah,
- 20:11Speaker 1: that's Ben Falcone right there.
- 20:13Speaker 2: Is that his first appearance on the show.
- 20:14Speaker 1: I think it is. Yeah.
- 20:16Speaker 2: Interesting. Were they married at the time or dating at
- 20:22Speaker 2: the time.
- 20:22Speaker 1: No, No, I think that's how they met.
- 20:24Speaker 2: That's how they met.
- 20:25Speaker 1: Fascinating that scene is I think how they met. Wow,
- 20:30Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I believe that that was
- 20:33Speaker 1: when they met. Yeah, and Suki and and and Laura.
- 20:39Speaker 1: I conspiring now I would you know, not conspiring, but
- 20:42Speaker 1: tiptoeing around, not so gently around this issue of getting
- 20:48Speaker 1: friends in uh. Now that she's passed, they want to
- 20:52Speaker 1: be first in line to to buy it, so they
- 20:57Speaker 1: they approach Ben Falcone lead Paul Bear. Very funny, see,
- 21:03Speaker 1: very funny. Uh, and then they celebrate towards they jump
- 21:07Speaker 1: up and down with the body's going getting carried away.
- 21:15Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, Jess's father shows up and Luke
- 21:28Speaker 1: gets a little upset here Jess is. He's not in
- 21:31Speaker 1: the best mood. It's evening. He's waiting impatiently. Oh no,
- 21:36Speaker 1: this is when we first sorry, scratch all that, Jackie.
- 21:40Speaker 1: This is when we first see ah what what is his? Uh,
- 21:45Speaker 1: Jimmy is it's Jimmy. It's Jimmy. This is when we
- 21:50Speaker 1: first see Jimmy. He's just sitting He's just sitting at
- 21:52Speaker 1: a table. He's not ordering anything.
- 21:53Speaker 2: He's got You don't know who it is at this point,
- 21:56Speaker 2: we have.
- 21:56Speaker 1: No idea at the table right, he won't order anything,
- 22:00Speaker 1: and Jess is getting frustrated with him and being a
- 22:03Speaker 1: little rude to him, and that turns out to be
- 22:07Speaker 1: his dad. So he leaves the diner. He forgets his walt.
- 22:11Speaker 1: Luke chases after him with the wall, pulls out his
- 22:13Speaker 1: ID and says, uh, oh, now I know who this is.
- 22:18Speaker 1: Luke finds him, shows up at his hotel room and in.
- 22:24Speaker 2: Great scene, great, great scene. That's my favorite scene of
- 22:28Speaker 2: the episode. I gotta say that's my favorite scene. I
- 22:32Speaker 2: just think it's a it's just a great I feel
- 22:35Speaker 2: like you have two great actors. I love seeing you
- 22:37Speaker 2: guys just you know, go at it and that you're
- 22:40Speaker 2: just like lay down the lay down the law with him.
- 22:43Speaker 1: You know what it is, you know, you know what
- 22:44Speaker 1: it is, Dave, it's you don't get You don't get
- 22:48Speaker 1: to do that a lot I got. I did that
- 22:51Speaker 1: a lot in in in New York on stage, right,
- 22:54Speaker 1: you get to do that on stage. You don't get
- 22:56Speaker 1: to do that in television shows.
- 22:59Speaker 2: It's very rare, but it's special when it happens, like
- 23:03Speaker 2: if it's too often that it loses its specialists.
- 23:06Speaker 1: I feel it absolutely. And but the writing is so
- 23:09Speaker 1: good that you just feel like you can go, go, go,
- 23:13Speaker 1: go go, and you're gonna be okay. So if you go,
- 23:17Speaker 1: like if you turn the amp up to nine or eleven, even,
- 23:23Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay. It's not gonna be too much
- 23:25Speaker 1: because the writing's there.
- 23:27Speaker 2: Writing writing was solid.
- 23:30Speaker 1: So it's like it's almost like the writing is sort
- 23:33Speaker 1: of actor proof where you could under you could underplay
- 23:37Speaker 1: it and it would still work. Because as I was
- 23:40Speaker 1: watching it, I thought, hmmm, how would I approach that
- 23:43Speaker 1: scene now, you know so twenty years later, right, and
- 23:48Speaker 1: would I underplay it? Would I be calmer with it?
- 23:52Speaker 1: And it could work that way. It could work any
- 23:54Speaker 1: number of ways anyway. But it's just really that's the situation,
- 23:59Speaker 1: and that's the choice that you make. And if the
- 24:03Speaker 1: director feels like it's going well in rehearsal, like yeah, yeah,
- 24:08Speaker 1: this feels organic and it feels good, and why wouldn't
- 24:12Speaker 1: it you know, Luke would do this. Luke would blow
- 24:17Speaker 1: his top a little bit. You know.
- 24:19Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question. I wonder how involved
- 24:21Speaker 2: were like the Palladinos on set did they were they
- 24:25Speaker 2: or the writers? How much did they like affect the
- 24:28Speaker 2: director or how much did they you know, are you
- 24:31Speaker 2: aware of like any of that kind of of a
- 24:34Speaker 2: dynamic going on or you know.
- 24:37Speaker 1: What I think the Palatinos did which was so great
- 24:40Speaker 1: is I think they had all of their director meetings
- 24:44Speaker 1: beforehand and it was just kind of a hands off approach.
- 24:48Speaker 1: You know, it was never public, it was never on set,
- 24:53Speaker 1: they never came on. It's like, you know, I've been
- 24:56Speaker 1: on shows where I was on one show where between
- 25:02Speaker 1: just about every single take, the director was watching remotely
- 25:05Speaker 1: and would I mean the showrunner was watching remotely and
- 25:09Speaker 1: would call the director, so there would be these five
- 25:11Speaker 1: ten minute delays between every single take, and it was
- 25:15Speaker 1: just awful. It was just an awful way to work.
- 25:17Speaker 1: But now they were very hands off. It seemed like
- 25:21Speaker 1: the directors had full autonomy and and to express themselves
- 25:26Speaker 1: and they were trusted, and it was it was always
- 25:29Speaker 1: a nice working environment with with the directors that came in.
- 25:34Speaker 1: They were all very very competent and very prepared and
- 25:40Speaker 1: you know and open to you know, suggestions and choices,
- 25:46Speaker 1: and it was a very free and open kind of
- 25:49Speaker 1: not not script wise, no, you didn't touch the language,
- 25:52Speaker 1: but it's just sort of you know, the blocking and
- 25:54Speaker 1: all that.
- 25:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 25:56Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were they were great about it.
- 25:58Speaker 2: I just was curious, Yeah, because I've had experiences with
- 26:01Speaker 2: kind of both and sometimes it's it's you know, now
- 26:04Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes
- 26:06Speaker 2: you're you you direct, and you're protecting for both. So
- 26:10Speaker 2: they might you know, director might be like, wow, I
- 26:12Speaker 2: love this, but I should also get it this way too,
- 26:15Speaker 2: just because I know that the you know, the showrunners
- 26:17Speaker 2: said they you know what I mean, that kind of thing.
- 26:20Speaker 2: So I just was curious, Yeah, because you could you know,
- 26:24Speaker 2: when you when you have a choice or something like that.
- 26:26Speaker 2: Like if I was if I was directing watching that,
- 26:28Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh my god, I just love this
- 26:30Speaker 2: and and you know, you could just see that the
- 26:32Speaker 2: performances just so great, and it's you.
- 26:34Speaker 1: Know, listen, it's it's I don't want to say it's
- 26:37Speaker 1: easy with that kind of writing. It's just that kind
- 26:42Speaker 1: of writing engages you and focuses you and you feel
- 26:47Speaker 1: so completely what's the word I'm looking for. Obligated two
- 26:57Speaker 1: execute at your highest level. I mean, it really challenges
- 27:02Speaker 1: you to like, can you do this and this is
- 27:05Speaker 1: what you need to do, and you see it before
- 27:07Speaker 1: you do it, you feel it before you do it,
- 27:10Speaker 1: and you just don't know if you're going to pull
- 27:12Speaker 1: it off because you know, as well as anybody you know,
- 27:16Speaker 1: as far as actors are concerned, their best work rarely
- 27:19Speaker 1: makes it to the final cut because of so many
- 27:24Speaker 1: you know, technical things that can go wrong in a scene,
- 27:26Speaker 1: or a sound issue, or there's there's a lighting issue,
- 27:29Speaker 1: or there's you know, whatever it is. But it's but
- 27:31Speaker 1: it's hard. And that's the fun part is when you're
- 27:35Speaker 1: handed something, when you're given the responsibility to do something
- 27:38Speaker 1: like that, that's the fun part of it, you know.
- 27:41Speaker 2: But I would I would say I want to give
- 27:43Speaker 2: though that the director and editor credit as well. When
- 27:46Speaker 2: you say, like, I think a lot of times the
- 27:48Speaker 2: best stuff does make it. At least That's what I
- 27:50Speaker 2: strive for when I'm editing a show is to you know,
- 27:54Speaker 2: look at these performances and wow, they're great, even if
- 27:57Speaker 2: it's crossing takes and getting man's so great in this
- 28:00Speaker 2: take and then this take, he's got this line. How
- 28:02Speaker 2: do I get these two together? You know? And I
- 28:05Speaker 2: think that, I mean, yes, there's always obviously there's technical
- 28:09Speaker 2: issues that happen, and sometimes we can, you know, editors
- 28:12Speaker 2: can can work a little magic and fix things and
- 28:15Speaker 2: even with visual effects or sound work and stuff. But
- 28:19Speaker 2: I think that everybody does strive to get the best,
- 28:22Speaker 2: you know, like you like you get those words and
- 28:24Speaker 2: you feel this obligation. I feel like everybody down the line,
- 28:28Speaker 2: you know, the editor also has this obligation. Well, we
- 28:31Speaker 2: want to get the best. I want to get the
- 28:32Speaker 2: best cut that I can to the producers, and I
- 28:35Speaker 2: think everybody is striving to make the best show. And
- 28:37Speaker 2: that's why I show that, Like you know, like the
- 28:39Speaker 2: Gillmore Girls goes for for season after season after season,
- 28:43Speaker 2: and then there's still such you know, fan fare about it.
- 28:46Speaker 2: That they can pick it up again eight years later.
- 28:49Speaker 2: And you know what I mean. So it's a good
- 28:52Speaker 2: you know, it's just quality and care, right.
- 28:56Speaker 1: Yeah and so and so I think that answers your
- 28:59Speaker 1: question as well. Well. Behind the scenes, the Palladinos, I
- 29:03Speaker 1: think what they were very, very good at was hiring
- 29:07Speaker 1: the right people, you know, because none of us had
- 29:11Speaker 1: any right to be on that show, given the quality
- 29:14Speaker 1: of the writing and given the fact that so many
- 29:16Speaker 1: name actors were available at that time, because the crossover
- 29:20Speaker 1: into TV was becoming a thing, right film to TV
- 29:23Speaker 1: at that time. And I know that, you know, the
- 29:27Speaker 1: studio didn't want any of us, right, they wanted names,
- 29:30Speaker 1: And she fought for every one of us because she
- 29:33Speaker 1: felt that we were kind of perfect for these roles.
- 29:37Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's the only role they'll ever play
- 29:39Speaker 1: in their lives, but they're really like right for this one.
- 29:42Speaker 1: And I think she did that on all levels. Amy
- 29:44Speaker 1: and Dan did that on all levels. They had great
- 29:46Speaker 1: people there. I mean, there were just great people everywhere.
- 29:50Speaker 1: It really was a very special place.
- 29:52Speaker 2: You were seeing the casting. I mean even just all
- 29:56Speaker 2: these actors, you know, I mean how they brought you
- 29:58Speaker 2: guys together, but even how they guess first have gone
- 30:00Speaker 2: off right, Oh they've had careers out, you know what
- 30:03Speaker 2: I mean the time it's like, oh really it had
- 30:06Speaker 2: some jewels here.
- 30:07Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's it's it is amazing. It is
- 30:12Speaker 1: an amazing legacy that this show is left and continues to
- 30:18Speaker 1: to to leave. All right, we're getting a little tight
- 30:23Speaker 1: on time. Let me see here. Oh no, no we're good,
- 30:26Speaker 1: but just heartbreaking stuff. Heartbreaking to have to confront somebody
- 30:32Speaker 1: else's dad and defend Jess and no, probably in as
- 30:36Speaker 1: hard as hearts. It's it's a lost cause. But he's
- 30:38Speaker 1: gonna just he's gonna die trying. One of the funnier
- 30:42Speaker 1: moments for me, and this was when Taylor comes in
- 30:44Speaker 1: singing Sunshine.
- 30:51Speaker 2: Yes, and he's got that and I love the little
- 30:56Speaker 2: little line at the end too. He's like, you know,
- 30:58Speaker 2: and you can get penny candies for a.
- 31:07Speaker 1: It's just great. Yeah. I mean, it's filled with that stuff.
- 31:10Speaker 1: Hence hence the volume of rewatch, because there's it's so
- 31:14Speaker 1: dense with humor that nobody can possibly pick it all
- 31:18Speaker 1: up in one viewing. So Taylor comes in and announces
- 31:21Speaker 1: the his soda shop is opening. Pass around flyers you
- 31:26Speaker 1: know what we've covered. We've actually covered all this. Wow.
- 31:29Speaker 1: What this has been a full discussion of this episode
- 31:33Speaker 1: pretty much. It's filled with drama levity. You can't ask
- 31:38Speaker 1: for anything more. All right, So you were in the
- 31:50Speaker 1: episode we recapped Dave a few weeks ago, Tale of
- 31:54Speaker 1: Post and Fire. What do you remember about your time
- 31:56Speaker 1: on set?
- 31:57Speaker 2: What do you remember who came by? Do you remember
- 31:59Speaker 2: who was there that day? And did the sleigh a
- 32:01Speaker 2: couple of times?
- 32:02Speaker 1: Were you there when Brian Depalmer was there? Was Matthew Perry? Yeah,
- 32:07Speaker 1: oh yes I did. You were in the diner.
- 32:09Speaker 2: I'm in the diner. I have one It's so funny.
- 32:13Speaker 2: I mean I have one line and it's one word.
- 32:15Speaker 2: I just go, you know, Suki says, hey, you know,
- 32:19Speaker 2: they come just to reac. They come from the inn
- 32:22Speaker 2: is on fire. It's the next morning, it's breakfast. They
- 32:25Speaker 2: come in and they kind of take over your diner
- 32:27Speaker 2: and they say, you know, it's okay, we cancel your
- 32:30Speaker 2: orders and make Suki's fabulous French hosts. And and then
- 32:33Speaker 2: I go, sure, like that's my That's what I'm online
- 32:37Speaker 2: and uh and people still I will get messages from
- 32:40Speaker 2: people today like hey, where you want to give more girls?
- 32:44Speaker 2: I think I like all the time, like twice two
- 32:46Speaker 2: three times a year. I will get like Facebook messages,
- 32:50Speaker 2: I'll get a text from someone, I'll get a shot, right,
- 32:54Speaker 2: and so it's it's so funny. But uh, I had
- 32:56Speaker 2: I have my call sheet still. I had a great
- 32:59Speaker 2: That was a great day. It was the first time
- 33:02Speaker 2: like I had, you know, I come from I was
- 33:06Speaker 2: editing and I was assistant editing and editing. I had
- 33:09Speaker 2: actually like I worked on uh Lauren Seinfeld episode. I
- 33:14Speaker 2: was Uh. I was the assistant editor for the last
- 33:17Speaker 2: two seasons of Seinfeld. So she came in. She came
- 33:20Speaker 2: in and did the Millennium episode and uh and I
- 33:24Speaker 2: actually I edited you. I edited the clips show the finale.
- 33:29Speaker 2: The episode that came right before the finale was a
- 33:31Speaker 2: clip show. She used the clip of you and Elaine
- 33:36Speaker 2: from the Sponge the sponge can you do something about
- 33:39Speaker 2: those cybergs? Okay, I mean so that that and that
- 33:44Speaker 2: because it's a great scene. But I put those together
- 33:47Speaker 2: with the with the writers and worked with Jerry Jerry
- 33:50Speaker 2: Seinfeld and Larry David and Andy Ackerman and we we
- 33:53Speaker 2: you know, put these clips together. It was my first
- 33:56Speaker 2: solo editing episode. So I did. I worked with you.
- 33:59Speaker 2: I mean, this was all you had shot that, you know,
- 34:01Speaker 2: a couple of seasons before, but it was so good
- 34:03Speaker 2: that it made it into the clip show.
- 34:07Speaker 1: And I got an experience that was Jesus.
- 34:10Speaker 2: And then I started, uh, you know, and it's funny.
- 34:12Speaker 2: I'm in the background of a one Seinfeld episode. I'm
- 34:15Speaker 2: in the YadA YadA, which is uh, it's a wedding
- 34:19Speaker 2: scene and it's like, got Robert Wagner in it and
- 34:23Speaker 2: Jill Saint John and uh, you know, the Debra Messing
- 34:27Speaker 2: is there and I'm sitting in the back row and
- 34:29Speaker 2: people will also they'll notice me back there. So I'm
- 34:32Speaker 2: good at crafts.
- 34:34Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so great.
- 34:36Speaker 2: And I had gotten my sad card, and uh I
- 34:40Speaker 2: did some voiceover work for a friend that I'd gone
- 34:43Speaker 2: to college with, and then I was I started. I
- 34:45Speaker 2: took acting classes more of like as to become a
- 34:48Speaker 2: better director, just be able to communicates. I always wanted
- 34:52Speaker 2: to get in, you know, to to lean that that way.
- 34:55Speaker 2: But I did take an auditioning class with A. D.
- 34:58Speaker 2: Wallace Stone and so started her. Yeah, I mean she's great.
- 35:03Speaker 2: So I and I knew the I knew the casting
- 35:06Speaker 2: direct I knew Jamie Rudowski, who casts the show, and
- 35:09Speaker 2: I said, oh can I can I come in and
- 35:10Speaker 2: and and read and uh so I read and then she,
- 35:14Speaker 2: you know, she get me to the producers, and I
- 35:17Speaker 2: remember things that de told me, like, you know, if
- 35:19Speaker 2: something calls for something, you know, it said bring a plant,
- 35:22Speaker 2: do this. So I'm like, I dressed up like, oh,
- 35:25Speaker 2: it's gonna be fall I'm wore a leather jacket. I
- 35:27Speaker 2: had a scarf on for my audition, and I guess
- 35:30Speaker 2: I guess they liked me, and you know, that was it.
- 35:33Speaker 2: I was so happy when I got the part and
- 35:36Speaker 2: coming to see you know, getting in early, having hair
- 35:38Speaker 2: and makeup, you know, work on me, getting breakfast at
- 35:42Speaker 2: the you know, the first time, like I'm on this,
- 35:44Speaker 2: you know, this other side of the of the camera,
- 35:46Speaker 2: seeing what actors, you know, what you guys experience, and
- 35:49Speaker 2: then and then going to set, it was it was
- 35:51Speaker 2: just great. You uh, you know Lauren, Melissa McCarthy and
- 35:58Speaker 2: then uh and yeah, Matt Perry shows up right, shows up,
- 36:02Speaker 2: and you know he was friendly with more and I
- 36:04Speaker 2: don't know if they were dating or just friendly at
- 36:05Speaker 2: the time. But but you know, he was a lot
- 36:09Speaker 2: of fun. Everybody was so excited that he came by
- 36:12Speaker 2: and he did that a few times.
- 36:14Speaker 1: He was joking around while we were rehearsing. Yeah, yeah, no,
- 36:18Speaker 1: while we were shooting. He was joking around because I
- 36:20Speaker 1: had a I had a line. What was I had
- 36:24Speaker 1: a line about? I think it was when Laura like, oh, yeah,
- 36:28Speaker 1: they right, they came in and the inn was burning down,
- 36:32Speaker 1: or you're yeah, and the line I said, you're in
- 36:36Speaker 1: and and and so Matthew goes urine. You're talking about urine.
- 36:40Speaker 1: Everybody laughed. You remember that that exchange. That's that's the
- 36:44Speaker 1: one funny exchange I had with That's a pair. Ye
- 36:48Speaker 1: never got to act with him, No, And he's like,
- 36:53Speaker 1: that's like one person you want to act with. You
- 36:55Speaker 1: There's like there's there's people, and then there's people that's like, man,
- 36:58Speaker 1: I want to I want to try to do comedy
- 37:00Speaker 1: with that guy, you know, because I probably woudn't have
- 37:02Speaker 1: to do much, right, you just just say the lines
- 37:04Speaker 1: and let him go right, let him do his thing.
- 37:07Speaker 2: And then the scene was it was great just watching
- 37:09Speaker 2: you guys, you know, because we were basically just getting
- 37:12Speaker 2: to watch. You know, I have one line and I'm
- 37:14Speaker 2: sitting there just being in the diner, just trying to
- 37:16Speaker 2: you know, be attentive. And then I remember then they
- 37:19Speaker 2: turned the cameras around to get to get you know,
- 37:24Speaker 2: because they had shot us for whatever reason, they shot
- 37:27Speaker 2: one way and then the other, and so they had
- 37:29Speaker 2: shot the crowd shots and then we were shooting Laurence
- 37:31Speaker 2: coverage and she's like, you know, oh, you guys don't
- 37:33Speaker 2: have to be here if you don't want and we're like.
- 37:35Speaker 1: No, we want to be here, or like why would
- 37:39Speaker 1: you want to be here?
- 37:40Speaker 2: Because she was like, you know, because the camera wasn't
- 37:41Speaker 2: on us, but it's like, no, we're not going to
- 37:43Speaker 2: have an ad read our lines. Like we're here to
- 37:46Speaker 2: support you guys. We're so happy to be here. You know.
- 37:50Speaker 2: It was me and this Jessica Pennington was the other customer.
- 37:55Speaker 2: I guess you played my wife or something, you know,
- 37:59Speaker 2: and we were all like, know, we want to be
- 38:00Speaker 2: here and support you guys. It was a It was
- 38:02Speaker 2: a great team, very very well managed set, you know,
- 38:07Speaker 2: very smooth because were hers cameras pretty quick too. I was, yeah, I.
- 38:14Speaker 1: Really missed that show. That was just a Wow. They
- 38:17Speaker 1: they had it down, you know, they had it anyway,
- 38:20Speaker 1: all right, So unfortunately, Dave, we're at a time, but
- 38:25Speaker 1: please come back.
- 38:27Speaker 2: I would love to have you back.
- 38:29Speaker 1: You're you're a great co host, and uh, we'd love
- 38:32Speaker 1: to have you back. So everybody, uh off the spin off.
- 38:37Speaker 1: Dave's behind it. He's producing and he's just I think
- 38:40Speaker 1: executive producer the paper and that's already got an early
- 38:47Speaker 1: renewal for season three by Peacock so so so check
- 38:53Speaker 1: it out. Dave Rogers, thank you so much, my friend,
- 38:57Speaker 1: and we'll hopefully see you soon. And that's going to
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