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Full Show Podcast: 13 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business, technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning to you. Welcome to your day. I'm
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  Speaker 2: in for Ryan, who's preparing for the leaders debate tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: It is election time. We're spending at the shops, but
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  Speaker 2: businesses are cautious. So what is really happening in the
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  Speaker 2: retail economy? That story in five minutes. The Greens want
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  Speaker 2: to put the AI genie in some sort of regulatory chain.
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  Speaker 2: So what are they thinking about? That's in 10. Why
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  Speaker 2: is the Aussie band The Seekers mad with Pauline Hanson?
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  Speaker 2: And no tax cuts today, but maybe tomorrow is National
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  Speaker 2: saying the right things. We're going to talk to a
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  Speaker 2: tax expert just before six. We've got correspondence from right
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  Speaker 2: around New Zealand and news as it breaks. And you
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  Speaker 2: can have your say by sending a text. Small charge applies.
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  Speaker 2: 92 92 is a number seven after five.
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  Speaker 1: The agenda.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Tuesday, the 13th of October. Russians, Russia's foreign
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  Speaker 2: minister says Kiev doesn't deserve the respite of a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: Zelensky says Ukraine's willing to back an energy truce, but
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  Speaker 2: only if Moscow does the same.
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  Speaker 3: We need American pressure on Russia, not sanctions relief, not concessions,
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  Speaker 3: but real pressure so that we can achieve at least
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  Speaker 3: what the American president posted about yesterday, an energy ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like to me that Zelensky's called Trump and
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  Speaker 2: Putin's bluff. Meanwhile, NATO's top commander has warned that we
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  Speaker 2: need to be ready to fight tonight.
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  Speaker 4: If attacked, we are ready to fight tonight, but we
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  Speaker 4: are not complacent. We will continue to prepare and rehearse
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  Speaker 4: each and every day and we'll be more ready tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: and even more ready the day after that.
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  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, again, Trump's defending plans to import Russian diesel,
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  Speaker 2: saying the EU has paid Moscow $ 250 billion for energy
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  Speaker 2: and he wants to put America first. This is what
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  Speaker 2: Lithuania's prime minister thinks.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure even if it's underway or is it
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  Speaker 5: just a political claim. So I didn't see any deal,
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  Speaker 5: like written agreement as a deal, so... So I've just
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  Speaker 5: seen the tweets and the political claims behind that, but
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  Speaker 5: not the deal actually. So if it's just the political
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  Speaker 5: claims or is it just the actual deal, we'll see
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  Speaker 5: in an upcoming week, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: And to the UK, Andy Burnham has told MPs there
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  Speaker 2: that it would be a dereliction of duty to turn
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  Speaker 2: down a closer relationship with the EU.
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  Speaker 6: I was clear in all of my meetings, including with
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  Speaker 6: the NATO Secretary General in Oxfordshire, that we will meet
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  Speaker 6: our NATO commitments in full. We know Russia is conducting
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  Speaker 6: a campaign of hybrid attacks and sabotage across Europe. In
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  Speaker 6: Berlin last week, Chancellor Merz and I agreed a new
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  Speaker 6: partnership to tackle these hybrid threats.
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  Speaker 2: And earlier, Andy claimed that Russia interfered with the Brexit referendum.
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  Speaker 2: Majul Farage says that's bollocks. The Prime Minister is a liar. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: a liar.
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  Speaker 6: There was no Russian interference, and the Russia hoax has
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  Speaker 6: run all the way through this.
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  Speaker 2: And finally... Digger here.
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  Speaker 7: Got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us
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  Speaker 7: out again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go.
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  Speaker 7: So that's the trailer for Tom Cruise's latest film, Digger.
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  Speaker 8: It's heading for a $ 245 million loss.
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  Speaker 9: Box office takings have plunged 60% in the second weekend, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is $ 35 million made worldwide. Worldwide!
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  Speaker 9: 35 mil!
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  Speaker 2: That's against a $ 280 million budget. Tom Cruise has said
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  Speaker 2: he never thinks of opening weekend when he's making films. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: he's focused on making films that hopefully will translate, last
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  Speaker 2: and evolve. Digger is a turkey. Right up there with
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  Speaker 2: Peter Jackson's turkey, Mortal Engines. It's ten after five.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving. News Talk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So yesterday's political word of the day was cross-party. ACT
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  Speaker 2: kicked it off taking a hard line on super, saying
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  Speaker 2: that under them it would go up every three months
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  Speaker 2: until it hits 67 at 2035. And in making it public,
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  Speaker 2: they call for cross-party support to address the looming fiscal
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  Speaker 2: crisis we can all see coming. So it was ironic
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  Speaker 2: to be watching the news and see Labour announce a
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  Speaker 2: school uniform consolidation policy only for ACT to condemn them
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  Speaker 2: for copying their policy, which of course is what you
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  Speaker 2: might call cross-party support. And as it turns out, ACT,
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  Speaker 2: Labour and New Zealand First are on the same page
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  Speaker 2: about the school uniforms, and National's doing the old trick
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  Speaker 2: of hanging back. So let's talk about the school uniform issue,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's far from being a crucial issue in
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  Speaker 2: this election cycle. But, you know, school uniforms have gone nuts.
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  Speaker 2: It started with private schools, but more and more state
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  Speaker 2: schools have followed suit, so to speak. Bespoke uniforms from
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  Speaker 2: high-priced suppliers, costly blazers sometimes changing between junior high and
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  Speaker 2: the seniors, causing even more cost for parents. fancy bomber jackets,
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  Speaker 2: branded rain jackets and sports gear, long skirts or slacks
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  Speaker 2: at girls' schools. And it goes on and on and
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  Speaker 2: on and on and on. It's a far call from
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  Speaker 2: my day where every kid wore tough Serge Grey. You
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  Speaker 2: might have a branded cap and a jumper, but that
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  Speaker 2: was about it. Every kid either wore nomads or treks.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when my school, Grammar, I decided on a
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  Speaker 2: certain style of summer sandal that was a bit fancy dance.
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  Speaker 2: And my parents had complete conniptions on the cost of
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  Speaker 2: it because they said there's nothing wrong with Roman sandals.
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  Speaker 2: The complication and the cost has occurred because schools compete.
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  Speaker 2: And you heard that in the news with that principle.
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  Speaker 2: Schools are competing and they want the clothing to reflect
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  Speaker 2: the quality of the school. And there's a battle between
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  Speaker 2: state and private. But, you know, at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, it is unnecessary. And it's an easy way
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  Speaker 2: to combat one aspect of the cost of living. So
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  Speaker 2: why don't we just do it? Three of the parties
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  Speaker 2: have already said it's a good idea. All it takes
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit more cross-party support. Maybe we should
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  Speaker 2: put it in the fast track.
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  Speaker 1: News Talk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: It's 12 minutes after five. So there's an old theory
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  Speaker 2: that when there's an election, everything stops. Business grinds down. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's new figures out yesterday that says that hasn't happened
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  Speaker 2: this time. So what happened and how are businesses reacting?
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about this next on News Talk ZB.
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  Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business, technology that keeps
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  Speaker 2: It's 5.15. Ryan's away preparing for his latest debate tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: There's a multi-party debate on the telly tonight, which I'm
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  Speaker 2: quite looking forward to. It's 5.15. So ASB, they're challenging
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  Speaker 2: the old idea that business grinds to a halt before
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  Speaker 2: an election. So new analysis from the bank shows that,
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  Speaker 2: on the contrary, business and household spending activity actually tends
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  Speaker 2: to be more resilient in the lead up to a
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  Speaker 2: general election. But their data shows business confidence takes a
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  Speaker 2: big dip. So I'm joined now by Leanne Watson. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Leanne is the CEO of Business Canterbury. Hello, Leanne.
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  Speaker 10: Hi, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: So what's this about? You know, the tills are ringing,
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  Speaker 2: but the businesses are not confident anymore.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, look, we know that election years do create, I guess,
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  Speaker 10: a degree of uncertainty for businesses and households. But it
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  Speaker 10: is interesting to see those results. What we are certainly
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  Speaker 10: hearing and seeing in Canterbury is that businesses are looking through,
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  Speaker 10: I guess, that short-term uncertainty to the longer-term opportunities ahead. And,
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  Speaker 10: you know, business confidence has lifted. We talked last week, actually,
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  Speaker 10: about the NZIER survey. And so I guess those investment
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  Speaker 10: intentions and hiring intentions remain pretty positive, which is great,
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  Speaker 10: because the last thing we need right now is the
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  Speaker 10: country to go into some sort of hibernation mode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, remember in the old days when it was a
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  Speaker 2: command economy and then the government said something and then
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  Speaker 2: we all went out and bought whatever they discounted? It
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  Speaker 2: was quite surprising. But you have to say, if there's
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  Speaker 2: an election on, do you think consumers are holding off
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  Speaker 2: because they believe that things might change after the election
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  Speaker 2: and they might get a better deal?
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  Speaker 10: Look, I think there is certainly businesses and individuals will
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  Speaker 10: be not racing out potentially and making brand new big
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  Speaker 10: investment decisions sort of within a couple of months of
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  Speaker 10: the election. But if businesses have got plans to hire
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  Speaker 10: more staff or invest in new plant and equipment, certainly
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  Speaker 10: our survey shows that those intentions haven't changed and that
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  Speaker 10: they are proceeding with them based on the longer-term future,
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  Speaker 10: which is a really positive indication.
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  Speaker 2: So in this period of time, when it turns out
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  Speaker 2: that household spending is actually resilient, are businesses doing enough
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  Speaker 2: to woo customers who might actually want a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a distraction from the politics? Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 10: I think there is a role there to play. Businesses
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  Speaker 10: do need to make sure that they are being really
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  Speaker 10: creative about how to attract customers. And that hasn't changed, actually,
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  Speaker 10: you know, over the last few years. We know that
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  Speaker 10: consumer patterns have changed. You know, you need to do
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  Speaker 10: more than just open your doors and hope that they
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  Speaker 10: will come. And, you know, we do see some really
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  Speaker 10: creative businesses, you know, who can attract, you know, good
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  Speaker 10: customer bases and retain customers. But you're right, they do
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  Speaker 10: need to be creative.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Good stuff, Leanne Watson. Keep on doing your business. The
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  Speaker 2: Business Canterbury CEO. And here's the thing. The Nobel Prize
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  Speaker 2: for Economics has been announced and it's gone to Robert
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  Speaker 2: Hall and Michael Woodford for developing the models that central
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  Speaker 2: banks use to tackle inflation and recessions and economic shocks. Officially,
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  Speaker 2: it says they won for microeconomic foundations of macroeconomic stabilisation.
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  Speaker 2: And in English, that means their work explains how individual
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  Speaker 2: consumer and business decisions drive the wider economy, like we've
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  Speaker 2: just been talking about. Congratulations to Robert and Michael. It
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  Speaker 2: is 18 minutes after five, so AI is the genie.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We're going to talk to the
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  Speaker 2: Greens in a few moments' time about their AI policy.
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  Speaker 2: It's Lawrence Zunan who's next.
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  Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio. Early edition with
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 521. So the Greens' newest policy
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  Speaker 2: takes on their biggest rival yet, not the billionaires, AI.
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  Speaker 2: If re-elected, they want to bring in a raft of
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  Speaker 2: regulation that protects artists' copyright at-risk jobs and AI use
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  Speaker 2: in decision-making. So Lawrence Junan is an MP for the
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  Speaker 2: Greens and is presenting the policy and joins me now. Lawrence,
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  Speaker 2: good morning to you.
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  Speaker 9: Atamari Andrew, thank you so much for having us.
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  Speaker 2: It's all right. Your policy, your regulation says that AI
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  Speaker 2: will not replace human or democratic decision-making. How are you
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  Speaker 2: going to do that?
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 9: First of all, I think you're absolutely right when it
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  Speaker 9: comes to AI. One of the things is that we
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  Speaker 9: do need to sensibly regulate AI, which is what the
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  Speaker 9: Greens are proposing, because AI, what we're seeing, is a
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  Speaker 9: man-made tool. It should enhance and not replace. And in
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  Speaker 9: terms of what we are proposing here, like what you're mentioning,
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  Speaker 9: is around how we can protect those jobs and how
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  Speaker 9: we can protect the creative. So that could be looking
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  Speaker 9: at how we can... having a requirement around labeling of
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  Speaker 9: AI-generated content. We're seeing how we can align with international
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  Speaker 9: best practice. We're already seeing overseas jurisdictions, such as the
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  Speaker 9: EU AI Act. And we can also ensure that places
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  Speaker 9: like public service, for example, where the decisions are still
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  Speaker 9: being made by a person and ensuring that there's still
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  Speaker 9: a person being accountable to that. And, of course, data
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  Speaker 9: sovereignty is also incredibly important and also how we can
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  Speaker 9: ensure we empower people privacy commissioner, et cetera, to ensure
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  Speaker 9: our data is protected.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this. You say our data sovereignty and
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  Speaker 2: community consent are protected, your data sovereignty, but at the
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  Speaker 2: same time you want to pause data centers. That actually
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  Speaker 2: means that our data is actually held overseas as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to on New Zealand shores.
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  Speaker 9: So it's a very important distinction, and I'm so glad
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  Speaker 9: you raised it, because what we want to see is
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  Speaker 9: a one-year moratorium on the consenting of new AIs. data centers.
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  Speaker 9: They're distinct from data centers in general. We have already
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  Speaker 9: seen data centers being built here. And like you said,
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  Speaker 9: having an onshore presence when it comes to data centers
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  Speaker 9: is important. But the question is, do we need to
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  Speaker 9: have AI data centers or new AI data centers? Because
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  Speaker 9: what we have seen in overseas jurisdictions, Australia being a
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  Speaker 9: really clear example when it comes to AI data centers,
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  Speaker 9: is that it needs to... operate within the environmental limits
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  Speaker 9: because it needs to be able, we need to know
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  Speaker 9: what kind of energy is used. When the kind of
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  Speaker 9: AI data centers we're seeing being proposed in the Southland
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  Speaker 9: using the kind of energy that it will power, essentially,
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  Speaker 9: they use the same kind of energy as Hamilton, that
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  Speaker 9: is a concern for the people and for all of us,
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  Speaker 9: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: But of course, the people who make the data centers,
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  Speaker 2: day by day, they get better and better and they
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  Speaker 2: become more sustainable. And do you worry that by putting
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  Speaker 2: a one-year moratorium, a complete pause on it, we're not
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  Speaker 2: embracing the technology and all you do after that is
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  Speaker 2: just get left behind by it?
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  Speaker 9: But I mean, that's the thing, right? Because what we're
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  Speaker 9: seeing with overseas and what we're seeing in Australia, what
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  Speaker 9: we're seeing in other jurisdictions, the EU, UK, etc., is
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  Speaker 9: that they know the need to regulate AI technology. What
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  Speaker 9: we don't want to see is, for example, us being
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  Speaker 9: sold a fantasy of what AI could achieve, but not
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  Speaker 9: what AI is to us right now. And I think
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  Speaker 9: the moratorium on AI data centers and what the Greens
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  Speaker 9: is proposing in terms of sensibly regulating AI will be
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  Speaker 9: something that will benefit all of us and benefit the
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  Speaker 9: people and the planet and allow us to be able,
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  Speaker 9: the benefits of AI to be shared by all of us,
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  Speaker 9: but not concentrated by the few and particularly not concentrated
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  Speaker 9: by the billionaires and trillionaires potentially who are proposing it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Lawrence Shunan, I thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: your time. He is a Green MP. Thank you so much. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: and he's a polite man. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: saying thank you so much, Lawrence. All the best. Have
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  Speaker 2: a great day. Ta-da. And it is 5.25, Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. I'm Andrew Dickens. Have you ever considered that
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  Speaker 2: AI could actually help create a more environmentally and sustainably,
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  Speaker 2: a sustainable world?
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  Speaker 11: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: It can be our friend, not our enemy. So National's
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  Speaker 2: released its fiscal policy. It's easy to generalise the plan
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  Speaker 2: as more of the same that we've already seen, and
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  Speaker 2: the only real difference with Labour is that they're in
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  Speaker 2: love with pay equity, which National is not, and of
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  Speaker 2: course that comes at a huge cost, and it leaves
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  Speaker 2: the whole balancing act with very little wriggle room. But
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  Speaker 2: the enormous ogre under the bridge is the rapidly expanding
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  Speaker 2: cost of superannuation, and how long are we going to
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  Speaker 2: talk in circles about this? ACT has said let's raise
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  Speaker 2: it to 67. That's not crazy. In Australia, Denmark, Iceland, Israel, Italy,
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  Speaker 2: the Netherlands and the United States and Norway at 67.
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  Speaker 2: In the UK at 66, plan to go to 68.
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  Speaker 2: Canada and Japan have it at 65. But we're becoming
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  Speaker 2: the outliers. Everybody else is doing it. Why don't we?
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  Speaker 2: All it takes is a political leader saying let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: David Seymour said let's do it. Chris Hipkins hasn't. And
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  Speaker 2: now National is saying we'll do it, but only if
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  Speaker 2: everyone else wants to do it, which is the way
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  Speaker 2: they seem to approach many things. National Labour and New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand First are running scared because they're scared of how
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  Speaker 2: older people will react. But if you're already getting the super,
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  Speaker 2: what's your beef? You can't sit there complaining about our
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  Speaker 2: books and being resistant to actually a rise in the age.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in my 60s. It will not affect me. So
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  Speaker 2: what's to worry about? See, I've only got a year
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  Speaker 2: or two until I can get the pension. 50-year-olds, I understand,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be jittery about it. Under 40s should
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  Speaker 2: already know the issue and They should be preparing for
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  Speaker 2: the new eventuality and not praying that at 66 the
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  Speaker 2: state will start looking after them a bit. 67 seems
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  Speaker 2: to make total sense. It's been told that you've been
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  Speaker 2: told it's total sense by every economist in the world
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  Speaker 2: and half our parties and most of our trading partners.
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  Speaker 2: So why don't we do it? It seems like the
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  Speaker 2: leaders of our biggest parties seem unable to lead on
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  Speaker 2: this issue because some people might react negatively. And that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like leadership to me. Now, they were also
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  Speaker 2: talking about tax cuts to the National Party. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the globe is in a debt crisis, you have to
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  Speaker 2: say right now. And it's only going to get worse.
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  Speaker 2: And I can understand why they certainly don't want to
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  Speaker 2: have that tax rise. But after the last 20 years
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  Speaker 2: and the possibility of global shocks, do you really think
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  Speaker 2: in three years or four years or five years' time
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  Speaker 2: when we finally have a surplus, we'll be able to
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  Speaker 2: afford a tax cut then? See, promising a future tax
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  Speaker 2: cut is like promising a future lolly scramble, and you
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  Speaker 2: have to wonder whether it really makes any sense, and
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  Speaker 2: you have to start wondering whether National is a one-trick
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  Speaker 2: pony who says, oh, well, we'll just say tax cuts,
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  Speaker 2: tax cuts, tax cuts, and we'll get elected. But is
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  Speaker 2: it the right thing to do? We're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: to a tax expert, Jeff Nightingale, before six o'clock today,
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  Speaker 2: here on Early Edition on Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 8: You saved my heart from.
• 17:43
  Speaker 11: The fate of Ophelia.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, good.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Morning to you. I'm Andrew in for wine. Wine is
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: back with you on Thursday.
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  Speaker 8: Reactions.
• 18:16
  Speaker 12: Reactions.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Hamish writes, Andrew, you are a very patient man. That
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: green guy was just that green, and that was it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: All he talked but said nothing, and I agree. I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: think he hasn't done much media, but it seemed to
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: me like he was reading the notes that his intern
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: had written with bullet points, and that was about it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: He wasn't talking to me at all. Glenn writes, I'm
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: turning 50, Andrew. Absolutely have no issues with the Super
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Age going up to 67. I can't believe all the fuss.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: A texter says, regarding super, I think New Zealand First
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: is the only one to not support raising the age.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: We'll look at all the policies and see where anyone
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: says we're going to raise the age. Nobody says it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: They talk about being on the horse without actually sitting
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: on the horse. And another texter says, the National Coalition
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: sets out to return to surplus. Andrew, the only one's
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: talking about tax cuts. Are you idiots in the MSM? No,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: that is wrong. They said we're going back to surplus.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: By the way, Labour says the same thing. And then
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: we could consider a tax cut. Nicola Willis said that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So we said, I'm saying, why say that? Because really,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: at the moment, I can't see things getting so good
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that we can have a tax cut. Anyway, just a question.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And by the way, we're in the middle of a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: cost of living crisis, so would you pay $ 400 for
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a steak? $ 400 for one steak? Jesse Mulligan's written a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: thing that's going to be in tomorrow's Viva, and it's
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: about the one restaurant in this country licensed to cook
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and sell Kobe beef. To obtain a Kobe beef license,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you have to fly in an inspector from Japan who
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: examines every element of your kitchen. and your technique to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: ensure the brand reputation is maintained, then you buy a
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: very expensive piece of meat and cook it, and then
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you charge them 400 bucks for a steak. So the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: chef there is Robin Lee. He did the hard yards.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: And so now you can go and buy a $ 400 steak.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Someone's going to. And the place is called 21 Days
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Bar and Brasserie. And where is this place selling the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: $ 400 steak? Can you believe? It's in Browns Bay. Around
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the country we go. Callum Proctor from Dunedin. Good morning
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 20:14
  Speaker 13: Morning, Andrew.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So we've got a charity that fought for five years
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to keep 90-day trial periods out of their workplace. Tell
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: me the story.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, this is staff at the Dunedin charity Able Minds.
• 20:25
  Speaker 13: They've won this battle. The charity wanted to make trials
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: a condition for new staff, but union members refused this
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: 90-day trial period. The Public Service Association and the employer
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: have now agreed on a new collective agreement without that
• 20:41
  Speaker 13: trial period. PSA National Secretary Fleur Fitzsimons says the trials
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: leave new workers feeling afraid to speak up.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: She says these are skilled, low-paid workers.
• 20:49
  Speaker 13: They help families deal with distress and addiction right across
• 20:52
  Speaker 13: the South, and they deserve to be treated fairly.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: How's your weather?
• 20:56
  Speaker 13: Foggy start here in the city this morning. High cloud increases,
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: occasional rain later, some falls may be heavy. Today's high 24.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Claire Sherwood joins me now from the city that has
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the stadium that got up to 31 degrees the other
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: day because it's got a roof crisis. Claire, good morning
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: Good morning.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I heard that some dude is stealing EV charges and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that's a big piece of kit. So what's the story there?
• 21:19
  Speaker 14: Yeah, there's been some real concern about this EV charges
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: being ripped off the copper across Canterbury. Rural Canterbury police
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: have now arrested and charged this 26-year-old man in relation
• 21:29
  Speaker 14: to a series of the alleged thefts. He's effectively, according
• 21:33
  Speaker 14: to them, targeted these electric vehicle charges across the wider district.
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: Over recent weeks, police have received numerous reports of the
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: cables being cut and stolen from stations across the district.
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: We've heard from people who have then not been able
• 21:45
  Speaker 14: to charge their vehicles during road trips. Videos have also
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: surfaced online showing some of these thefts. We've talked to
• 21:51
  Speaker 14: Meridian Energy, who said its staff were working with authorities,
• 21:54
  Speaker 14: and it also shared many images of suspected thieves with
• 21:58
  Speaker 14: scrap metal yards. Yesterday, we had this update about the
• 22:01
  Speaker 14: 26-year-old who's on five counts of theft.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, Claire, how does he do it? Does he wander
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: around the streets of Christchurch with a crane?
• 22:09
  Speaker 14: Effectively walks up to them, cuts them with cable.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Cutters and walks away.
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  Speaker 2: That simple.
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  Speaker 11: Amazing.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, how's your weather?
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: Fog early this morning.
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: There's a bit of a fine break later and then
• 22:19
  Speaker 14: we get really hot. Northwesterly's gusty at a high of 27.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: 27? Max Toll from Wellington where it will not be 27.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: No, it won't.
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: Good morning.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And that might be a reason why fewer cruise ships
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: are coming to the capital.
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so this is, well, it's really a national issue,
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: but there's a new article on the Herald website focusing
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: on the impact on Wellington. So overall, 22 fewer major
• 22:43
  Speaker 12: cruise ships are visiting New Zealand this season. compared to
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: a couple of years ago, that means about 140,000 fewer passengers.
• 22:50
  Speaker 12: And looking at the numbers, relatively speaking, Wellington may be
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: the worst off. 35,000 fewer passengers coming here to a
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: city that desperately relies upon that foot traffic, visitors going
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: to our attractions, tour companies are going to struggle. It'll
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: be tough, obviously, on hospitality, particularly around the waterfront towards
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: Courtney Place. The good news is, though, nationally, it does
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: seem to be a temporary blip. The forecast is for
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: things to pick back up over the next couple of years, 83%
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: increase over two years, the next two years. So I
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: think it's a survive in advance is the motto for
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: businesses right now.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: How's your weather in Wellington? Cloudy with occasional rain, nor
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the least 17. I heard a cough during Max's report,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and I believe that was Neva Richemano who joins us
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: from Auckland.
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: It's always me coughing, yeah.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Neva?
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: The train delays after the Bledisloe game.
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: Yes. Latest?
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: It's the ongoing saga, isn't it? So what I can
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: tell you, fresh. Auckland Transport says a late road closure
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: caused all these delays to some of those trains after
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: Saturday night's game. And as we know, the fans faced
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: a 45-minute wait after the game. Now, Auckland Transport says
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: that Auckland Council is responsible for managing the roads, monitoring
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: the traffic management plan, Eden Park for implementing the road
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: closures and other traffic management plans, It says, look, despite
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: the delay, the vast majority of crowds were cleared in
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: about an hour. So what we do know is that
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: Auckland Council, AT, which is merging into Auckland Council, Eden
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: Park and other stakeholders, now they are going to be
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: involved in managing... Well, they're having a full debrief, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: should say, sometime this week to agree to make these
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: improvements for future events because it has to be done.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course. But 45 minutes, it took 45
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: minutes to get an Uber as well. I mean, there's
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: 50,000 people you've got to get out of a small area.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Can I just make some points about the road closure?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Trains run on tracks, not roads. So where's the problem there?
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but you see, once you have the road closures,
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: you know, obviously that's going to have that domino effect
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: for the train tracks.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: No, the train's on a track.
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, but, you know, even when, especially around
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: Morningside and all of that, from those, you know, you're
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: closing down that, they can't get the trains through, they can't,
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: you know, line up.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Don't get it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: So if you're closing down, do you not?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Stop being an apologist.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, excuse me!
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Also, AT is now run by the council. It's a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: council-controlled organisation.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So why isn't the council and AT talking to each other?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: That's it. How's the weather?
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: The weather, cloudy, isolated showers, a high of 21, a
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: nice day to go on a train.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I know. About these trains, it's not about the CRL.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: The CRL had nothing to do with it. It's all
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: about the mess that is Kingsland and all those level crossings.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: And you think the CRL and Kingsland and Mill Road
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: is a nightmare. Here's another one. In London, the third
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Heathrow runway is extraordinary. The official price tag is now
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a staggering 49 billion pounds. But the overall budget for
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Heathrow's expansion and operating expenditure could soar over £ 100 billion.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It seems to be too big to stop. Meanwhile, Stansted's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: hardly being used. We're overseas in a moment, too, in Australia. Yes,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Donna DeMaio is here next. The time is 16 to 6.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Zealand business.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: 13 to 6. Today we're off to Australia. Donna DeMaio,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: good morning to you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Good morning to you.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: So you've got an Australian engineer who got arrested and
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: jailed in Iraq five years ago, but now he's on
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: his way home?
• 26:16
  Speaker 15: He has finally left Iraq. And the confirmation has come
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: from Foreign Minister Penny Wong that Australian Robert Peter is
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: on his way to Ireland. Now, he's an engineer that
• 26:27
  Speaker 15: always maintained his innocence.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: Innocence, I should say. He was arrested on fraud.
• 26:32
  Speaker 15: Charges in 2021, along with his Egyptian colleague, sentenced to
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: five years jail, and there was a $ 16 million fine.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: Still unclear if that fine ever had to be paid.
• 26:42
  Speaker 15: Now, he insists he was a victim of these trumped-up charges,
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: fuelled by what's described as a bitter dispute over the
• 26:49
  Speaker 15: construction of the new Central Bank of Iraq headquarters in Baghdad. Now,
• 26:54
  Speaker 15: the 51-year-old finally released from prison in July last year
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: due to ill health, So that was about four years
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: in prison. But he was banned from leaving Iraq. There
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: were even allegations that there may have been forms of
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: torture during his detention.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: Well, finally, he's on his way to Ireland to be
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: with family. But I tell you what, his family is
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: so relieved.
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: But his wife is still too scared to say too
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: much until he lands safely in Ireland.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: She says there's been so many obstacles and plot twists
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: up to the very, very last minute.
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: In fact, it was only in 2024 he sent a
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: letter from behind bars.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: He said he felt abandoned by the Australian government. Well,
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: come home.
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: Yeah, Senator Wong says that 280 representations had been made
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: to Iraqi officials during his plight.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: So hopefully he lands safely.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come home, Digger, come home. Now, the Seekers, of course,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: remember them, Judith Durham, but they're angry with Pauline Hanson.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: Because she used a classic song without permission at a
• 27:57
  Speaker 15: conference at the weekend, the Conservative Political Action Conference, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 15: Bruce Woodley, who co-wrote a song that we hear many,
• 28:06
  Speaker 15: many times at events, mainly sporting events, I should say,
• 28:11
  Speaker 15: I Am Australian. And Senator Hanson and her people have
• 28:16
  Speaker 15: used this song without approval. In fact, previously they've been
• 28:19
  Speaker 15: threatened with legal action over its potential use. But they
• 28:23
  Speaker 15: went ahead and played it and even put it in
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: the conference program.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Agenda that it was going to be played.
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: And they're saying that this song and what the One
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: Nation stands for do not correlate. In fact, one of
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: the song's themes is encapsulated in this line.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: Listen to this.
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: We are one but we are many and from all
• 28:43
  Speaker 15: the lands of earth we come. And then Senator Hanson
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: takes to the stage to talk about how much they're
• 28:50
  Speaker 15: against mass immigration.
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Great stuff. And I thank you. And of course, the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: guy who wrote that song is Bruce Walkley. He's still alive.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: He's 84. Judith has gone, of course. He wrote the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: song during preparations for the Australian bicentenary. And the guy
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: who wrote the lyrics was a fellow by the name
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of Dobe Newton, who comes from a band called the Bushwhackers, mate.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: How Australian is all that? So National has dangled the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: carrot of tax cuts, but not until the books are
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: back in surplus. It is setting aside $ 15. 4 billion for
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: health over four years, with $ 7. 5 billion left in the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: operating spending. But despite promises to lift defence spending to 2%
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of GDP by 2034, there's actually no specific funding for
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it yet. So how are they going to do that?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: New Zealanders need some predictability and stability, and that is
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: what they will get with National. Alright, so Geoff Nightingale
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is a tax expert and joins us right now. Hello Geoff,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: what did you make of the whole thing?
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: Good morning Andrew. Yes, they are sort of dangling tax
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: cuts in front of us, but probably with some good
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: justification actually, giving the outlook over the next four years.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but the global outlook, the bond markets and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: all that, it looks a bit dodgy. I mean, Honestly,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the big complaint is that we don't have enough government
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: revenue to do the basic stuff that we want to
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: do well. Is tax cuts really just a lolly scramble?
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: Yeah, well, that's fair. But the thing is, with the
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: kind of tax cuts that they're proposing, they're not really
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: tax cuts. What they're doing is avoiding tax increases by stealth.
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: So as economic growth gets going and our income starts
• 30:24
  Speaker 16: to rise, if you leave the tax brackets unadjusted, people's
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: average tax rates start to go up and it goes
• 30:31
  Speaker 16: up faster than their income grows. And we call that
• 30:35
  Speaker 16: bracket creep or fiscal drag. And that was what they
• 30:38
  Speaker 16: adjusted in 2024 and cost about $ 2. 6 billion to make
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: adjustments to the lower three and four tax brackets. If
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: they did that again in 28, 29, when they're forecasting
• 30:49
  Speaker 16: the surplus, they've got room to do that. And then
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: it's a priority question of whether that's the right thing
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: to do.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: So we hear they've got $ 7. 5 billion left in operating spending.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: We know that Labour has almost no wriggle room after
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: their pay equity thing. How much wriggle room are National
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: promising or do they have?
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: They've got very little.
• 31:10
  Speaker 16: So if you think about the 2024 bracket adjustments.
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: That was $ 2. 6 billion. The surplus in 2019 is $ 4 billion.
• 31:19
  Speaker 16: And the $ 7. 5 billion unallocated spending all arrives in 29
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: and 30.
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: So it's a long way out.
• 31:27
  Speaker 16: But the other thing that is there is 2029 is
• 31:30
  Speaker 16: an election year, so there'll be promises being made to
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: fight the 29 election around spending as well, which is
• 31:38
  Speaker 16: going to make it very difficult to also promise a
• 31:41
  Speaker 16: tax cut.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And how confident are you that they'll meet the surplus
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: by 28, 29?
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: It's a big ask.
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: There are some assumptions about economic growth getting going in there.
• 31:51
  Speaker 16: It is reasonable and feasible. In fact, it's Treasury that's
• 31:54
  Speaker 16: predicting that surplus rather than National. But a lot of
• 31:58
  Speaker 16: things have to go right for New Zealand, and we've
• 32:00
  Speaker 16: had a couple of years of a lot of things
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: going wrong. So it is feasible, but by no means certain.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Good stuff, Geoff. Thank you so much. Steve has sent
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: me a text saying, seriously, Andrew, Nicola Willis said nothing
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: until 2030, if then. You're an idiot. No, she said
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: nothing until 2030, but maybe. That's what she said. She
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: was dangling it. Jeff says it. Everybody says it. They
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: were dangling the tax cuts. Sit in there. It's the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: bracket creep. It is now seven minutes to six.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in-depth analysis.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Early edition with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business. Technology
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: So I came in this morning and started reading about Digger,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: this Tom Cruise movie. And you know what? I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go to it. Do you
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: want to come with me, Mike?
• 32:47
  Speaker 17: No, because I don't go to the movies.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But I will watch it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 17: And I saw the promo like a month or so back.
• 32:54
  Speaker 17: And I actually thought it looked quite good.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. There's guys going to the
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: movies and going, this is the most amazing thing we've
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: ever seen. But there's other guys who have been counters
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: who are coming out and going, this is a dog.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Or reviewers saying it's a dog, and so it's financially
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: a dog. Had a very bad opening.
• 33:07
  Speaker 17: My suspicion is that- It could be really good.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It's like Shawshank Redemption, which tanked at first, and now
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it's become a classic.
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: Yeah, but do you go to the movies to watch
• 33:14
  Speaker 17: that sort of movie? You go to the movies to
• 33:16
  Speaker 17: watch big screen stuff. You wait until it comes on
• 33:19
  Speaker 17: streaming when it comes on screen. We'll have to open it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: It'll do okay.
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: Did you?
• 33:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 17: How long was that?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Was that three hours, four hours? They're all four hours now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: Nicola Willison this morning on the bat. Who thought that
• 33:30
  Speaker 17: we'd have a battle of fiscal plans, eh, in this
• 33:33
  Speaker 17: particular campaign? And also Stephen Fleming. who's back in the
• 33:37
  Speaker 17: country for a short period of time, and I thought,
• 33:39
  Speaker 17: why don't we get him in and talk about coaching England?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty amazing job.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: We've got Brendan doing the white ball, and we've got
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Stephen doing the red ball, and we just beat England
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in a series. We are the home of cricket, not England.
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: It says something about our coaching talent, doesn't it?
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it does.
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: So anyway, he's with us after, right?
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Very good stuff. Of course, the multi-party debate is happening tonight.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I'm actually quite looking forward to this, because I'd like
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to see whether these guys are competent or not, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: they're at least interesting, and you know everything about national labour.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's right. So that's quite good. And, of course, Ryan's
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: doing the leaders debate, the Battle of the Chrises. That
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: is tomorrow on nzherald.co.nz at 3 now, and I'll talk
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: more about that tomorrow. You have a great day. See
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you tomorrow.