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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Matt Patricia Is Mixing In New Looks On The Ohio State Defense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Friday, November fourteenth, of
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  Speaker 1: your host Tom or the UCLA game in one day
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  Speaker 1: the game against Michigan in fifteen days. On today's show,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the Ohio State defense and their performance
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  Speaker 1: against Perdue, maybe taking a little bit of a look
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  Speaker 1: ahead at the UCLA game as well, which means our
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  Speaker 1: ex'es and o's guru, Ross Fulton is on the show.
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  Speaker 1: with the Ohio State defense and especially how they did
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  Speaker 1: against the rushing attack. For Purdue, Boiler Makers found a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of success here and there, but definitely not
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  Speaker 1: anything consistent. And one of the reasons is this is
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  Speaker 1: a theme we've hit on over and over again this year,
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  Speaker 1: that is the pennyfront. It doesn't solve all of your problems.
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  Speaker 1: But when you have the talent that Ohio State does,
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  Speaker 1: including Kayden McDonald for example on this first play, it
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  Speaker 1: can solve a lot of problems. So Ross, why is
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  Speaker 1: the Penny front so efficient and effective in what they're
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  Speaker 1: asking it to do right here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Kate McDonald's probably underrated, if anything. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: in some ways he's maybe been the most dominant Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State defender this year, which is obviously saying something. But
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  Speaker 2: the Penny frontage just makes it, just as we've discussed,
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  Speaker 2: really difficult for zone runs in particular because you just
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  Speaker 2: can't get any double teams because you got the five
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  Speaker 2: five down linemen. So you know, we talked about double
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  Speaker 2: teams and getting to the second level for the Ohigho
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  Speaker 2: State zone run game, and the same principle applies. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, the first thing I want to note with
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  Speaker 2: this clip is Purdue was doing a lot of this,
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  Speaker 2: putting their trips into the boundary, you know, formation to boundary,
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  Speaker 2: and so Patricia responded with a lot of half quarter quarters.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, like, if anything, there's probably been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too much discussion of Ohio State how much
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  Speaker 2: they played cover three And we'll get to that, but
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  Speaker 2: like obviously there's there's more there. So you know, half
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  Speaker 2: quarter quarter they're playing cover two to the field over
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  Speaker 2: that single wide receiver, and then cover four to the boundary.
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  Speaker 2: And then as I said, you know, like when you
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  Speaker 2: get down to the like the you know, Purdue, basically
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  Speaker 2: here's running a split zone RPO. And again came McDonald's
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  Speaker 2: just so good at this. You know, he's again as
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  Speaker 2: we talked about last week, this lag technique which you know,
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  Speaker 2: the center steps here to the left, so McDonald's going
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  Speaker 2: to take that backside a gap sunny styles and as
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  Speaker 2: the middle linebacker becomes responsible for the front side a gap.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said, you've just got everything gapped at
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  Speaker 2: against the zone run game. And so obviously McDonald you know,
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  Speaker 2: not only takes his gap but defeats the backside guard,
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  Speaker 2: makes a tackle in the backfield. But this was probably
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  Speaker 2: the game we saw even more penny front if anything
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  Speaker 2: that we've seen in the past.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, that's that's great, and it's been very effective,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, in certain situations, doesn't mean it was
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent effective. Perdue did find some some success.
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  Speaker 1: This next one Ohio State is boy if they want
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  Speaker 1: to run the ball between the tackles. Ohio State has
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  Speaker 1: it covered, but once Produ's running back bounces it outside,
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  Speaker 1: there's a little more space.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So like everything else, right, football like pluses
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  Speaker 2: and MIAs is everything and penny front, like we've talked about,
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  Speaker 2: one of its downsides is against gap or counter schemes
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  Speaker 2: because you just only have one linebacker at the second level.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So again here Purdue's got their trips into the boundary, right,
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  Speaker 2: So you've got those three over three here and downs
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  Speaker 2: Reese and Ignnosen for that bubble screen. So they're running
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  Speaker 2: Produce running GT counter with a bubble and so now
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  Speaker 2: you've got to you know, you got to fit it.
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  Speaker 2: So you need to make up two gaps, right because
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  Speaker 2: the offense is pulling, so you've got the front side
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  Speaker 2: defensive end is going to box and so he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to force the ball inside right by I say boxing
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  Speaker 2: the kickout block. Peyton Pierce is the mic linebacker then
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  Speaker 2: has to take on and the pull and uh loop
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  Speaker 2: around you know, lead block, so he has to box
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  Speaker 2: him inside or try to and so you need then
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  Speaker 2: you're missing someone to fill, right, So that has to
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  Speaker 2: come either one of your defensive linemen beating a block,
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  Speaker 2: you can cancel gaps in the backfield with which Kenyata
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  Speaker 2: Jackson is trying to do here, so you're basically trying
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  Speaker 2: to get to the front side. You know, he sort
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  Speaker 2: of I think, gets a little confused here or gets
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  Speaker 2: lost he's coming around to make the play and then
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  Speaker 2: kind of runs into the front side offensive tackle, which
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  Speaker 2: is what leads to this. Or you need Lorenzo Styles here,
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  Speaker 2: who's sort of like, you know, you already have the
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  Speaker 2: three over three and the problem here is he gets
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  Speaker 2: a little lost in space. To be honest, he has
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  Speaker 2: to be basically playing like a linebacker and scraping over
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  Speaker 2: the top. So they had plenty of reps against GT
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  Speaker 2: Counter on Saturday where they did that successfully, either you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting a defensive lineman off a block, canceling a gap
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  Speaker 2: from the backside, or scraping over the top. But here
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  Speaker 2: it's just like you know, Styles getting lost in space,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, something to watch for. I'm sure teams
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  Speaker 2: will continue to use gap schemes with the amount of
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  Speaker 2: this penny front they're playing, just because, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: when you have one real linebacker at the second level,
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  Speaker 2: you got to you kind of have to make up
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  Speaker 2: for that.
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  Speaker 1: Next one. This is somewhere where we've talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about some of the new stuff that Matt Patricia
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  Speaker 1: has been working in, and you'll see a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a stunt upfront from the Buckeyes here. This also
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  Speaker 1: this is a sunny styles tackle. I saw a stat
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  Speaker 1: this week that there was some stat where he had
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  Speaker 1: not missed a tackle this year, which is completely insane.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, if you want to look good as
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  Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, it's helpful to have a good scheme.
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  Speaker 1: But also if you have guys who don't miss tackles,
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  Speaker 1: that certainly certainly helps as well.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, again, so I think, just like with
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  Speaker 2: the cover three discussion, like in some ways, like there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot more there for Patricia, he just hasn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: had to use it, like they haven't done a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stunting. But here you can get to it right,
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  Speaker 2: so they you know, other ways to deal with people
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  Speaker 2: who when they want to run a lot of gap
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  Speaker 2: scheme at you as you get out of the penny front.
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  Speaker 2: So here they stem they show like the odd friend,
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  Speaker 2: they stem to it even look and then they run
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  Speaker 2: a torch stunt. So again got trips to the boundary
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  Speaker 2: like as I said, a lot of that from PURDUEO
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  Speaker 2: a lot of quarter half quarter quarter again from Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State sometimes call cover eight and again having to like
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  Speaker 2: three play that bubble right. But now you get in
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  Speaker 2: this even front and basically a torch stunt. When you
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  Speaker 2: look at from the backside the three technique here, Edric
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  Speaker 2: Houston is going to basically read the center. If the
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  Speaker 2: center blocks to him, he's going to loop around to
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  Speaker 2: the backside A gap or backside B gap excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: And if the center blocks away from him, he's just
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  Speaker 2: gonna They're gonna pinch into both a gaps and so
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  Speaker 2: center blocks to him, he loops around, messes up the
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  Speaker 2: pulling guard. This is one back power right, and then
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  Speaker 2: obviously you have two free hitters, both styles brothers in
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  Speaker 2: the hole. So you know this is again I think
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  Speaker 2: there's there's more there. They just sometimes don't really have
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  Speaker 2: to go to it or haven't had to use.
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  Speaker 3: It a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, to your point about sunny styles, like
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  Speaker 2: obviously this game put you know, Lorenzo styles as a
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  Speaker 2: nickel in situations where you know he had to act
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  Speaker 2: as more of like a linebacker, and so it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the first time we've seen that a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, it's something that they're going to need
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  Speaker 2: him to do, all right.
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  Speaker 1: And now, so moving on to the passing game, and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to start We'll start with the nice and
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  Speaker 1: easy and close to the line. Screams were starting the
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  Speaker 1: bubble screen from Purdue, and this is one where we
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  Speaker 1: look for a minute and it's like, oh, they've got numbers,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this is gonna be a big play. And then
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  Speaker 1: Brian Day was asked earlier in the week about the
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  Speaker 1: hitting from the secondary, and this was the play that
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  Speaker 1: immediately came to mind when I thought about the hitting
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  Speaker 1: from the secondary where it was it was like, boy,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to this might be going somewhere. And
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  Speaker 1: then it was very much not It was a nice pickup,
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  Speaker 1: but it was still not nearly what it looked like
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  Speaker 1: it could be at one moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean schematically, this is like kind of an
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  Speaker 2: issue that we've seen some too, is you know, they're
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  Speaker 2: they're in a four down front here, not Penny. But again,
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  Speaker 2: like when you're playing like a Penny or like cover three,
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  Speaker 2: you're pretty balanced we've talked about on both sides of
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  Speaker 2: the center line, right, So like if you divide cut
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  Speaker 2: the offense in half through the middle of the football
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  Speaker 2: at the snap, and so like sometimes they're just getting
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  Speaker 2: out leveraged on the edges. Like you know here Purdue
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  Speaker 2: has as I say, like three over two, right, So
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  Speaker 2: that's like see what the State offense too. So another
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  Speaker 2: GT counter from Purdue and they the quarterbacks just reading
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  Speaker 2: the numbers pre snap and throws it. Like the good
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  Speaker 2: thing for our state is that, you know, you can
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  Speaker 2: get away with what looks like a scheme loss when
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  Speaker 2: you can can pursue and tackle like this. And obviously
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Downs can make up for a lot of this
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  Speaker 2: in terms of giving up numbers pre snap and kind
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  Speaker 2: of baiting teams if you will, into throwing these reliefs
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, they still produce, still gets a
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  Speaker 2: successful gain here, but obviously they're able to minimize the damage.
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  Speaker 3: But again, I think those.
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  Speaker 2: Are just like there's sort of things you know, as
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  Speaker 2: the season goes on, you see tendencies and offenses they
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  Speaker 2: are starting to attack them. And this is another one
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  Speaker 2: where you know, I think the last few weeks we've
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  Speaker 2: seen teams have some success just getting out just out
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  Speaker 2: leveraging them at Ohio State at the snap based on
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  Speaker 2: what Ohio State wants to do. Again, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: that there aren't answers within his Patricia's system for it,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not his preferred you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, sort of base approach, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: And this next one probably fits in that same bucket
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  Speaker 1: as well, where there's stuff that Ohio State likes to do,
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  Speaker 1: and teams have identified some of the things that you
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  Speaker 1: can maybe use to you know, to to beat them.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a we talked about man beaters, we
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  Speaker 1: talk about zone beaters. This is a nice seam shot
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  Speaker 1: that I would guess you would probably file under zone beaters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, we talked a lot about cover
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  Speaker 2: three and the seams right and especially if you're playing
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  Speaker 2: spot drop cover three, that's where it's most vulnerable, vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: because you're just hitting that the seam obviously between you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you have three deep defenders, you're between those two
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  Speaker 2: defenders and the underneath defender isn't carrying that route. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you can hit it between the two levels. The first
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  Speaker 2: thing though, i'd go to here again, we got like
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  Speaker 2: four trips formation in the boundary right, And we talked
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  Speaker 2: about this the other week, like when you're just running
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  Speaker 2: like base cover three and you don't push the coverage
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  Speaker 2: to the trips, you're gonna leave yourself out number because
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  Speaker 2: Cover three is a balanced again you know balance. If
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  Speaker 2: you go up the center line right, you've got you know,
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  Speaker 2: one and a half deep defenders to each side and
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  Speaker 2: two underneath defenders to each side. And by contrast, when
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  Speaker 2: you're in trips, you've got three immediate vertical threats to
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  Speaker 2: one side of the field, and so you end up
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  Speaker 2: like here with two linebackers basically doing nothing like garden
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  Speaker 2: grass and you got three vertical predue receivers against really
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  Speaker 2: like two deep defenders. So there again, but we've talked
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  Speaker 2: about like there are ways to push the coverage if
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  Speaker 2: they and they've done it before, like you know, you
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  Speaker 2: man up the backside, you basically push the linebackers towards
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  Speaker 2: the trips.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is if they're not going to carry
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  Speaker 2: outs like they're gonna have, they're going to be vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: This week seem like uh Downs on his podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: everyone has their podcast now. Uh talked did an interview
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  Speaker 2: with Matt Patrician. They talked like when he got the
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  Speaker 2: targeting penalty that was overturned against Penn State, Like you
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  Speaker 2: know what what he was thinking in his head is
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  Speaker 2: like they've just harped on like the week scene, the
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  Speaker 2: week seeing the week scene because they run so much
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  Speaker 2: Cover three, like you know, they know where cover three
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  Speaker 2: is vulnerable and so but if that deep defender, you know,
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  Speaker 2: deep middle doesn't get over quick enough, which you know
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  Speaker 2: Jaan the camp Quain does here. Like again, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to carry routes at least like Caleb downs here,
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  Speaker 2: like you have to get hands on the you know,
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  Speaker 2: and at least reroute that.
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  Speaker 3: Scene to give time for the deep safety get over.
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  Speaker 2: So like you know, again, like everything has trade offs
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  Speaker 2: if you're not going to match routs because like if
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  Speaker 2: you want to play spot drop, we talked about like
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  Speaker 2: it does allow you to disguise, like people can be
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  Speaker 2: in different spots, right, you can keep eyes on the
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  Speaker 2: run game. It's so like there's some modulity to it benefits,
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  Speaker 2: but you are leaving yourself phone a role in certain spots,
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  Speaker 2: and like we've seen teams, you know, hit some some
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  Speaker 2: seam routes as a result of it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, and if you like Caleb Downs getting
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  Speaker 1: places in a hurry, this next play is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the interception it was where Downs tips it
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  Speaker 1: and Jermaine Matthews actually intercepts it and Ross is going
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  Speaker 1: to have a whole schematic thing and it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be great. I want you to watch how early Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Downs breaks in this ball. The throw is not even
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  Speaker 1: made yet, and Caleb Downs is already breaking on the ball,
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  Speaker 1: which is how he beats the ball there, tips it
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  Speaker 1: and causes that interception.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these next two clips are both like there's technique
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  Speaker 2: changes you can do within Cover three and then there's
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  Speaker 2: obviously scheme adjustments, right, and so this first one is
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  Speaker 2: just like technique right. So again, like I would consider,
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  Speaker 2: just like the week scene, this like weak backside dig is.
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  Speaker 3: Another vulnerability to Cover three.
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  Speaker 1: Again.
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  Speaker 2: You can just see why, right, You're like, the guy's
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  Speaker 2: breaking in that corner has outside is responsible for the
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  Speaker 2: outside third, and then the middle safety is obviously you know,
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  Speaker 2: you try to hit it before the middle safety gets there.
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  Speaker 2: That throw is maybe a touch late, like and Caleb Downs,
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  Speaker 2: like just like against PERDUEO with that week's seam raute
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  Speaker 2: like he's he's on it right like this is just recognition. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I would probably like to see the underneath defenders like
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  Speaker 2: get hands on this dig route to like reroute to
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  Speaker 2: buy time.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: But when your middle safety plays like this, then you
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  Speaker 2: can get away with some of this stuff. And obviously
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  Speaker 2: he plays it aggressively, tips the ball for the Jermaine
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  Speaker 2: Matthews interception.
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  Speaker 3: So no scheme's perfect, but.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, like within the scheme, you can you know, you
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  Speaker 2: know the vulnerabilities, you can do things to minimize it,
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  Speaker 2: both with technique and recognition as I said.
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  Speaker 1: And a smooth transition from playing aggressively to a clip
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  Speaker 1: about David Nignosen where he is in man coverage right
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  Speaker 1: along the sideline. He ends up with a PBu here.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of one of several where you ever
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  Speaker 1: think everyone in the stadium was kind of you wait
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  Speaker 1: a half a second, no flag, Okay, all right, they're okay,
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  Speaker 1: good now now he can celebrate. This was this was
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  Speaker 1: one of those.
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  Speaker 2: You always can hold your breath a little bit on
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  Speaker 2: with David name Vanetts, and but it's partially just because
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  Speaker 2: he's so long and big, you know, so he's pretty physical.
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  Speaker 2: But like this is like the scheme answer, right, So
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  Speaker 2: if your teams are hitting the week seam, like, you
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  Speaker 2: can always play Cover one against it too and still
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  Speaker 2: keep with your single high principles. So and we did
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  Speaker 2: see that, Like an adjustment from Patricia after that Perdue
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  Speaker 2: Fueld goal drive is I would say they increase their
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  Speaker 2: use of Cover one, you know, just man with a
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  Speaker 2: deep underneath safety. So here again Perdue runs switcherroutes with
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  Speaker 2: four verticals, right, so you got two seam defenders, but
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  Speaker 2: now you're obviously carrying those routes because they're in man coverage,
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  Speaker 2: and so Perdue quarterback doesn't really have anywhere to go
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  Speaker 2: with the football. So again, like trade offs and everything,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's reasons they don't want to play Cover
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  Speaker 2: one all the time in terms of like disguise and
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  Speaker 2: eyes in the backfield and playing the run. But it's
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  Speaker 2: certainly like a tool in their toolbox and probably their
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  Speaker 2: second most use coverage. You know, I'd say Cover three
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  Speaker 2: is their base. But then you see them again it's
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  Speaker 2: like you're not just doing that right, You're mixing in
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  Speaker 2: like we talked about like quarter quarter half or half
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  Speaker 2: quarter quarter or you know, they play some Cover two.
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  Speaker 2: Tampa they play Cover one, So there's definitely like tools
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  Speaker 2: in the toolbox. I feel like, particularly like of late,
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  Speaker 2: they haven't really had to do it too much because
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: they're just able to overwhelm some of these opponents. But
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I do think as the season goes on, you'll see
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: more adjustments, you know, more use of quarters and things
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: to like, so teams can't get too much of a
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: beat on Cover three.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: And this weekend they got UCLA coming to town, and
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: you know, this is I'm not gonna lie, this is
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: not a particularly compelling matchup in almost any area. Ucla
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: is just kind of eh pretty much everywhere. I do
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: wonder though, looking ahead, you've got Ucla, You've got Rutgers,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: and then you know who's coming in three weeks, so
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: that's Michigan. So almost just over two weeks at this point.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: So is there a benefit to getting a little more
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: aggressive both on offense and defense and mixing in some
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: more stuff now and sort of trying to get yourself
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: up to speed. You know that you've sort of been
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: in second gear and third gear on offense, especially for
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: you know, stretches this season.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Is there an advantage?
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Is there a reason that you'd want to kind of
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: put the pedal down a little more now and start
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: revving up and getting yourself really warmed up for that
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Michigan game. Or are you trying to save as much
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: as you can for the Michigan game and just you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: know that you can out talent teams the next couple
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: of weeks.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: My expectation, at least offensively, And obviously I don't know
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: whether Colonel Tate is playing, which may impact my assessment,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: but I think like a night home game similar to Minnesota,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: the weather's decent, like they're gonna want to come out,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: throw on the ball and get it going early on offense.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: That's just sort of my guess, you know.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Defensively, I mean, I think Nico presents some challenges as
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a runner especially, and like they sort of kind of
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: turned RVL Reese off for a lack of a better
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: term against Purdue. They sort of had them in like
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: different roles and sort of you know as more of
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: like an off ball our, you know, drop linebacker. I
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: think you'll see more of like the return of using
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: him sort of as they date against Desmond Williams as
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: a spy against UCLA. Because I just think that's the
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: kind of one area where each CLA could probably keep the.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Change moving a little bit.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think, you know, I think if
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: they have the opportunity to, I would expect Ohio State
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: in this one to try to jump out early, throw
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: in the football and get a lead.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will find out together on Saturday
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: night if that's how the Buckeyes approach things when they
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: take on UCLA seven thirty on NBC. Will be there
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: for the usual pre game coverage, postgame coverage, everything you've
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: come to know and expect from our whole team. And
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: then next week we'll have Ross back on to find
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: out what we what we learned on offense and defense.
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• 17:59
  Speaker 1: all for joining us.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Have a great day.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow.