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Help us find missing children! Nancy focuses on several cases · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, so many cases of missing children, It's like
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Speaker 1: an avalanche. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I could not be prouder
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Speaker 1: to have the guests joining us today. Mark Class, crime victim,
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Speaker 1: tireless victims advocate and founder of Class Kids. Daphne Young,
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Speaker 1: the VP of Communications and Prevention Education at Child Help,
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Speaker 1: add with Me, Director of the Cold Case ree Search Institute,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, along with Alan Duke and Jackie Howard. Every day,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class more missing children? Do you ever feel overwhelmed by? It?
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Speaker 1: Is overwhelming? Over two thousand children are reported missing in
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Speaker 1: the United States every day, and while a vast majority
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Speaker 1: of those are successfully resolved, there are still those cases
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Speaker 1: that endure that You're just seemed to flow down the
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Speaker 1: sinkhole and and leave parents stranded. You know, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: you are just um an icon to me, And when
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Speaker 1: I am tired and I am weary, I think about
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Speaker 1: you and how you gave up a very lucative career
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Speaker 1: to become a victims advocate and the founder of Class Kids.
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Speaker 1: Could you explain why you made that hairpin turn in life? Well?
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Speaker 1: Thank you, n Yes. On October one, my twelve year
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Speaker 1: old daughter Paully, was hosting a slumber party with a
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Speaker 1: couple of her girlfriends in the home that she shared
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Speaker 1: with her mother in Pedaluma, California, and at about ten
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Speaker 1: thirty in the evening, a bearded stranger entered Paully's bedroom
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Speaker 1: with a butcher knife and told the girls that if
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Speaker 1: they made a noise, he would cut their throats. He
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Speaker 1: then proceeded to tie and bind all of the girls
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Speaker 1: and then steal Paully into the night. And we searched
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Speaker 1: for sixty five days only to find that this recitivious
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Speaker 1: violent offender had kidnapped, raped, and murdered Paully um within
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Speaker 1: a two hour period, and he can he currently resides
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Speaker 1: on California's Death Rowe twenty five years later. And I
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Speaker 1: decided at that point that I was not going to
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Speaker 1: let my daughter's death be in vain. I was not
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Speaker 1: going to let her become another data point on a
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Speaker 1: statistical pie chart, and that I would try to create
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Speaker 1: a legacy in her name that would be protective of
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Speaker 1: children for decade you to come and quite frankly, at
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Speaker 1: that time, there was very very little being done on
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Speaker 1: being done to benefit machine children. You know, Mark, it
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Speaker 1: is not lost on me the way you tell that story,
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Speaker 1: because you you say it like you're reporting somebody else's story.
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Speaker 1: And when people ask me about the murder of my fiance.
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Speaker 1: I do much the same thing, because I tell the
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Speaker 1: story by road, because to think about it and recount
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Speaker 1: that time in my life is just so painful. But
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Speaker 1: when I hear you tell the story of Polly going missing,
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Speaker 1: listen to me, I'm crying for you. You may not
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Speaker 1: be crying on the outside, but I'm crying for you
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Speaker 1: right now. And if you would just mention the pain
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Speaker 1: of those sixty five days not knowing what happened to Polly, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the point, And so you have
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Speaker 1: to detach. You have to detach because it's so emotionally overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I spent a good decade wanting to die.
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Speaker 1: I really did. It took me a good ten years
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Speaker 1: to be able to pull myself together and really smell
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Speaker 1: the flowers and appreciate music again. Those sixty five days
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Speaker 1: were the most excruciating time I've ever experienced. I lost
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Speaker 1: thirty pounds, I lost my mind. I uh I, I
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Speaker 1: fell into a sinkhole. I fell into ah. It was
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Speaker 1: like being in the middle of a tornado and not
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Speaker 1: being able to to get a grasp on anything. You
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Speaker 1: lose control of your emotions, of your intellect. You you
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Speaker 1: almost seemingly lose your soul, but look what you've done
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Speaker 1: with your life with me. In addition to Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids is Daphne Young with Child Help. Daphne,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. What is
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Speaker 1: child Help and why is there a child Help? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we're the largest national nonprofit. We've been running for over
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Speaker 1: sixty years now, and we're dedicated to the treatment, intervention,
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Speaker 1: and prevention of child abuse. And you know our founders,
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Speaker 1: Sarah and Yvonne, you're one of their favorite people because
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Speaker 1: you're one of the few consistent, dedicated champions of children,
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Speaker 1: giving a voice to those silenced by abuse. As Mark
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Speaker 1: Class notes, this whole issue rarely gets prime time. Children
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Speaker 1: don't have a powerful lobby, so people like child Help,
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Speaker 1: people involved in media have to stand up for these kids.
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Speaker 1: They have no voice and they're being lost in the system.
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Speaker 1: They're being abused. We're losing five children each day to abuse,
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Speaker 1: and of those fatalities involved at least one parent. So
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Speaker 1: your work has been crucial and not just taking on
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Speaker 1: this issue, but you've branded it in a way that
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Speaker 1: people can talk about it as part of a national conversation,
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Speaker 1: and that's so critical, Cheryl McCullum. With me, you and
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Speaker 1: I have dealt with so many crime victims. And like
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Speaker 1: with Mark, it took sixty five days to find Polly.
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Speaker 1: The cases were about to start talking about right now,
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Speaker 1: are still unsolved, Families still torn apart by not knowing
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Speaker 1: where their child is, has a fan, somebody stolen them,
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Speaker 1: Are they being raised or had they been on the
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Speaker 1: black market or have they been trafficked? Are they dead?
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Speaker 1: Do they need me? The thought of my children needing
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Speaker 1: me or crying for me is almost more than I
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Speaker 1: can stand. Cheryl, and you deal with cole cases. We
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Speaker 1: call them cold every day, but they're not cold to
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Speaker 1: family members. Absolutely, Nancy, when you hear Mark tags, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you just it's paralyzing to think of that situation. But
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Speaker 1: the reality is what he was saying. That statistic it
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Speaker 1: breaks down to over eighty children an hour go missing. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's three types of kidnapping, basically in three categories. One's
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Speaker 1: gonna be family that takes the child, one that will
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Speaker 1: be an acclaimant, and one that's stranger. And when that
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Speaker 1: breaks down fifty times, you know, fifty percent of the time,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a family member. UM. And hopefully that
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Speaker 1: child comes back safely, hopefully UM. But percent of the
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Speaker 1: time to feed on what Mark would say, and that's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a stranger. And those first three hours are
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Speaker 1: the most critical. The child is normally killed in those
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Speaker 1: first three And once you first talk about the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of a beautiful little boy, I will never ever forget
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Speaker 1: the first time I laid eyes on Kiren Hormon, still
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Speaker 1: missing out of Portland, Oregon. He's described as endangered and missing.
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Speaker 1: The first time I saw his face had this big,
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Speaker 1: huge smile with a gap tooth grin and he was
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Speaker 1: last seeing new Portland, Oregon on June four. He usually
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Speaker 1: wrote the bus the Skyline Elementary. He was just the
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Speaker 1: second grade at that time. Now, that day, his stepmother,
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Speaker 1: Terry Lynn Molten Hormon, drove him because there was a
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Speaker 1: science fear that day and he Karen wanted to set
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Speaker 1: up his exhibit. It was about the red eyed tree frog.
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Speaker 1: They get there around eight o'clock. They drop his coat
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Speaker 1: backpack at the classroom and according to the stepmother, she
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Speaker 1: takes him to the science fair and then the next
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Speaker 1: thing you know, nobody sees him that afternoon at he
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Speaker 1: doesn't arrive home. Nobody seemed to have seen him at
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Speaker 1: the school that morning. Now one witness thinks they saw,
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Speaker 1: but we're may be confused about the day. His teacher
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Speaker 1: marked him absent. She thought for some reason he was
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Speaker 1: at a doctor's appointment. Why was it so critical mark
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Speaker 1: class that all these hours had passed since Karen was
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Speaker 1: last seen at eight a m. Well, Cheryl just touched
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Speaker 1: on children that are murdered as a result of an
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Speaker 1: induction are going to be dead within the first three hours.
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Speaker 1: So on. The one thing that everybody can agree is
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Speaker 1: that time is really the enemy when you're dealing with
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Speaker 1: a missing child case. As soon as they're discovered missing,
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Speaker 1: they need to be reported to law enforcement immediately so
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Speaker 1: that they can start an investigation. And the sooner that happens,
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Speaker 1: the greater the chance of recovering the child alive. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this TV news interview regarding Karen's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Eight year old Tanner Pamala remembers passing Kiran in the
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Speaker 1: school hallway Friday morning as the two passed each other
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Speaker 1: on the way to see different science experiments. I went
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Speaker 1: downstairs and now the last time I saw him. I
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Speaker 1: never did. Team After that, Tanner and Kyron's class was
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Speaker 1: regrouping Mrs Porter, the regular teacher accompanied by a substitute
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Speaker 1: there to help with the science fair. It was the substitute,
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Speaker 1: says Tanner, who noticed Kiran was missing. And she's like, oh, no,
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Speaker 1: where's tiring. There's only five and reporters like, um, she
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Speaker 1: shall I calmed down, calm down. She's probably in the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: We're getting a drink of water. And she's like, all right,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave, and she left. You normally start, Daphne Young,
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Speaker 1: with a person to have last seen the child held
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Speaker 1: a lot. That's where your investigation starts. In this case,
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Speaker 1: it was the stepmother. Would you agree that that's where
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Speaker 1: investigations normally start, Daffne, Absolutely, You have to look at
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Speaker 1: the people closest to the child. For a parent that
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Speaker 1: has done nothing wrong, it can be most one of
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Speaker 1: the most frustrating experiences they'll ever go through because they
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Speaker 1: know in their hearts they haven't done anything, and they
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Speaker 1: feel that clock ticking. Law enforcement needs to divvy up.
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Speaker 1: They need to go uh the broad range and also
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Speaker 1: then to the parent because, as I mentioned, if those
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Speaker 1: fatalities involved at least one parent, so they've got to
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Speaker 1: move towards who knows the child, who has access to
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Speaker 1: the child, the last person that saw the child while
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Speaker 1: doing a larger, broad scale investigation. When a child goes missing,
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Speaker 1: it should be all hands on deck. You're not kidding,
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Speaker 1: And I recall distinctly Mark Class and PAULI went missing.
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Speaker 1: And I use you as the goal standard whenever a
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Speaker 1: child goes miss, saying you were basically here. Take my fingerprints,
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Speaker 1: take my d n A, whatever you need, Search my home,
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Speaker 1: search my computer, search whatever you want. Look at my
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Speaker 1: car so you can get past me as the dad
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Speaker 1: of Polly, and move on to find who took my daughter. See,
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Speaker 1: that's what I expect from family members when their child
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Speaker 1: goes missing. I expect them to act like you. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly that. Although we didn't have computers yet, at
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Speaker 1: least I didn't think you're absolutely right. You have a
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Speaker 1: momentary uh thinking, feeling that that and this is a
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Speaker 1: problem you always here. Defense attorneys say you can't take
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Speaker 1: a polygraph because they can't be relied upon it, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of people take that as gospel. So you'll
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Speaker 1: find innocent people that are very reluctant to take a
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Speaker 1: polygraph exam because they think that there's somehow going to
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Speaker 1: get caught up in a lie. And unfortunately that really
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Speaker 1: stalls a lot of these is not in my case,
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Speaker 1: I was ready to go for it. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: be eliminated immediately so that they could move on and
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Speaker 1: find out what happened to my little girl, Tyrone Horman
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Speaker 1: still missing today. Now take a listen to the stepmother
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Speaker 1: that drops him off at school that day. According to her,
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Speaker 1: as she speaks to Dr Phil, I was told not
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Speaker 1: I was following orders. I'm doing what I'm told to
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Speaker 1: do because I want him found. They're saying do it
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Speaker 1: a certain way. And I did everything I was ever
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Speaker 1: asked to do, spoke openly for hours on end with investigators,
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Speaker 1: open book, told him every horrible, little dirty secret I
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Speaker 1: ever had in my life, anything that was going to
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Speaker 1: help to find him. Anything. I didn't care. It's it.
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Speaker 1: But I could see how if somebody's not on the
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Speaker 1: inside of what's going on, how they could could see
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Speaker 1: a different way. But I did everything I was supposed
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Speaker 1: to do, and it still wasn't good enough. And everything
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Speaker 1: gets twisted and turned and it is. It became this
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Speaker 1: um to this attack against me instead of the focus
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Speaker 1: of being him. After I retained an attorney that I
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Speaker 1: was told not to talk and I asked him to
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Speaker 1: talk for me and he wouldn't. That was Karen's stepmother
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Speaker 1: on Dr Phil straight out to Cheryl McCullen, director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. There was another search for
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Speaker 1: any clues regarding the disappearance of little Tyram. It was
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Speaker 1: in West Hills and we know that something had to
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Speaker 1: trigger that search, Cheryl. Normally, Nancy, it could be anything
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Speaker 1: from a tip somebody walking through that area could have
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Speaker 1: found something they thought was related, you know, to this child.
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Speaker 1: But here's the deal, every stone unturned on every case.
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Speaker 1: You should not stop searching. So I have an issue with, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we're going to do another search now even though we
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Speaker 1: haven't done one in a year or two. Um, there
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Speaker 1: should be searching every weekend. You should take dogs that
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Speaker 1: are being trained at the academy to be a canine,
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Speaker 1: let them train, but do a real search while they're training. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what I find very very telling, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: is that the search for Tyron Horman, the seven year
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Speaker 1: old little boy that goes missing allegedly at the Skyline
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Speaker 1: School in northwest Portland were the search was the wooded
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Speaker 1: areas around his home. Uh. They also then went to
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Speaker 1: his school. That's the most recent search. They are looking
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Speaker 1: around his home in school, and that tells me what
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Speaker 1: they have going on in their head. What investigators are thinking.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Well, there's no question, Nancy. But again the
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Speaker 1: last person to see him. Everything about her would make
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Speaker 1: you question her. The fact she says she takes them somewhere,
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Speaker 1: but his teacher says, yeah, he never made anyone here.
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Speaker 1: So there's no way you drop your children off at
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Speaker 1: school every day, Nancy. There's three feet from the door
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Speaker 1: when they get out of your van. Nobody came and
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Speaker 1: swomps in and get the child there with six teachers
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Speaker 1: and safety patrols and the principle and all these parents
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Speaker 1: standing there. That's bes you know that didn't happen. We
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Speaker 1: also know, Cheryl, that the Maltena Maltima County d A's
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Speaker 1: Office has them paneled a grand jury on the Kiren
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Speaker 1: Hormon case, and that means both the criminal investigation and
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Speaker 1: linkal for seatings are still underway. But where that's leading,
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Speaker 1: we don't know that you can I say something here, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: John Mark, I'm sorry. About three years ago, we were
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Speaker 1: working with Chiron's mother to do a search for chirroon Um.
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Speaker 1: The justice Cheryl said, you always have to continue to
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Speaker 1: do these searches. And one of the places that she
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Speaker 1: asked us to search was the father's property, the place
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Speaker 1: where Chiron lived. Uh Kane Horman, And so I called
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Speaker 1: Kane because I knew him, and I told him what
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Speaker 1: we were doing and asked him if we could come
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Speaker 1: onto his property and search for chron and he said
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Speaker 1: absolutely not. No way in hell was he going to
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Speaker 1: let us onto his property. And I said, well, if
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Speaker 1: you know, we're professionals, we do this all the time.
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Speaker 1: If there's not a problem, what why won't you let
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Speaker 1: us on? And he said, if the deputies, if the
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Speaker 1: law enforcement ever wants to come onto our property, I'm
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Speaker 1: more than willing to do it. But I'm not letting
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Speaker 1: anybody else onto my property. Which leads to the question,
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Speaker 1: if they just did a search around the property, are
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Speaker 1: they honing in on something and has anybody actually ever
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Speaker 1: searched on the property itself. Well, you know what, it's
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Speaker 1: awfully late to be asking. It's a shame that we're asking, Mark,
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Speaker 1: have they searched that property? Don't? Don't you think they
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Speaker 1: would have at the time, Mark, Or do you think
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Speaker 1: something was missed? So I think they should have and
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they haven't. But those that was
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Speaker 1: the conversation I had with him, and he was adamant
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Speaker 1: we were not getting on of that property. That very odd. Yes,
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Speaker 1: jump in here the deal. I'm gonna tell you right now.
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Speaker 1: If you've got a parent that has a child missing
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Speaker 1: and they won't let you search their property, that is
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Speaker 1: beyond diregg flag. That is a freaking parade of flag.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know. No one has been named
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Speaker 1: a suspect. No one has been named a person of
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Speaker 1: interest at this time. Why the father turned down Mark
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Speaker 1: class Maybe he's frustrated, Maybe he's angry, maybe he's numb,
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Speaker 1: maybe he's wrong. I don't know. I do know this.
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Speaker 1: The search goes on for Kiren Horman. There's a fifty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward the church tipline five zero three nine
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Speaker 1: eight eight zero five six zero five oh three nine
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Speaker 1: eight eight zero five six zero or email tips at
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Speaker 1: bringing Kiren Home dot org. We are doing our part
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Speaker 1: trying to find missing children from a cross our country.
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Speaker 1: We now leave the Pacific Northwest and head to Chicago,
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Speaker 1: where to the little girls, ten year old Tianda and
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Speaker 1: three year old Diamond go missing, we think from their
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Speaker 1: own apartment the morning of July six. Tracy, the girl's mom,
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Speaker 1: tells cops she saw them that morning at six thirty
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Speaker 1: am before she left for work at Robert La Park.
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Speaker 1: She prepares lunches there for children in a summer camp program.
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Speaker 1: She got back home early in the afternoon to find
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Speaker 1: a note written by Tianda placed on the back of
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Speaker 1: a couch and said they had gone by to a
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Speaker 1: school a school playground very close by, and that they
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Speaker 1: would go to like the local seven eleven well. The
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Speaker 1: mom then tells a tribune that she searched for hours
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Speaker 1: that day before she calls the police at six thirty
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Speaker 1: p m. That night. That sparked a massive investigation. Daphne
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Speaker 1: Young with me with child help, Mark Class, founder of
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Speaker 1: Class Kids, and Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Daphne I recall distinctly when Diamond and Tiana
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Speaker 1: went missing. As a matter of fact, we took our
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Speaker 1: show then with CNN's h l N on the road
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Speaker 1: to Chicago to investigate their disappearance. Daphne, what do you
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Speaker 1: recall the girl's disappearance. Well, I just remember it was
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Speaker 1: a massive search and there were rotating crews. There were
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Speaker 1: hundreds of detectives working around the clock. They searched everywhere, sewers, lagoons,
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Speaker 1: abandoned building factories, people were digging through garbage. Uh, they
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Speaker 1: were interviewing relatives. It was a huge search and rumors
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Speaker 1: spread around the neighborhood. There were tips I believe close
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Speaker 1: to a thousand um. There were even psychics involved. I
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Speaker 1: mean this, this captured the nation. I think you have
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Speaker 1: these two little girls with these captivating names, and they
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Speaker 1: were doing what so many children do, the most banal things,
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Speaker 1: right going supposedly disappearing from a neighborhood's playground. When children
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Speaker 1: are doing the things children are supposed to do, and
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Speaker 1: something wicked or evil happens, it really captures the nation
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Speaker 1: because we think they were just trying to play, or
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Speaker 1: they should have been out playing. Where are these little girls?
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Speaker 1: You know? The theories on Diamond and Tiana's disappearance bounded.
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Speaker 1: Mark Class I remember one psidchick Uh told the family
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Speaker 1: they were being held as sex slaves in Illinois somewhere. Then,
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Speaker 1: as I recall the bio, dad lived in another country. UM,
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Speaker 1: it was either Trinidad or Morocco. One it was Morocco.
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Speaker 1: Jackie's waiting at me. And there was the theory that
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Speaker 1: the dad had kidnapped the girls that was invest sigated.
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Speaker 1: It neither amount of to anything. So even bringing in
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Speaker 1: psychic smart class, what does that tell you that police
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Speaker 1: are down to bringing in psychics. Well, it tells me
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Speaker 1: that the police are absolutely desperate. And you're absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: This became an international search. UM in Chicago, they searched
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Speaker 1: five thousand abandoned buildings for these little girls. But when
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Speaker 1: you bring in psychics, you're in probably the most desperate
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Speaker 1: place you can be. And I just want to say
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Speaker 1: this about psychics. I believe they really are part of
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Speaker 1: a second wave of predators in these kinds of situations
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Speaker 1: because they swooped down as they did in our case
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Speaker 1: as well. And they tell you that if you give
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Speaker 1: them a little item of your child's they'll tell you
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Speaker 1: where your child is. And ultimately, what's going to happen
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Speaker 1: if you're in California, like I am. The psychic is
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Speaker 1: going to say, I see rolling hills, I hear running water,
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Speaker 1: I see out buildings of some kind. And what you've done,
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Speaker 1: then is you have described of the topography in the
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Speaker 1: state of northern or in northern California. Um. So, the
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Speaker 1: reality is is that psychics never helped a case. They
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Speaker 1: always hinder a case. They give absolutely false hope, or
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Speaker 1: as in the case of the famous psychic Sylvia Brown,
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Speaker 1: they will dash your hopes and tell you that your
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Speaker 1: child is dead when in fact is in the case
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Speaker 1: of Sean Hornbeck, he was very much alive and only
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Speaker 1: a few miles down the road. These two little girls
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Speaker 1: were last saying at their family home, an apartment on
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Speaker 1: South Lake Park Avenue in Chicago. The mom, as I
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Speaker 1: told you, at least for six thirty a m. Diamond
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Speaker 1: and her older sister Tianda, stayed at the home during
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Speaker 1: the morning and the mom, Tracy, discovered they weren't home
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Speaker 1: when she came home around eleven a m. Now, apparently
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Speaker 1: Tianda left a note stating they were going to walk
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Speaker 1: by to a nearby school to play and a little store.
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Speaker 1: As a out of fact, Tianda was taking summer classes
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Speaker 1: at Doolittle Elementary. Now, after we research, we find out
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Speaker 1: school officials insist she was absent the day of her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Neighborhood children claim they saw Diamond and Tianda playing outside
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Speaker 1: at lunchtime. Neither child has ever been heard from again.
25:28
Speaker 1: When I look at their descriptions, it's it's brutal. This
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Speaker 1: little girl, Diamond, who's just three years old. She was
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Speaker 1: three ft tall and she only weighed forty pounds. She
25:43
Speaker 1: had violet and purple ponytails holders in her hair. She's
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Speaker 1: African American with big, beautiful brown eyes. She's got a
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Speaker 1: tiny scar on the left side of her hairline, and
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Speaker 1: she normally wears her hair braided in the back with
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Speaker 1: four ponytails. That was her favorite. She's got beautiful, deep
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Speaker 1: set eyes. Tiyanda was ten years old at the time
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Speaker 1: she went missing, just four to and only weighed seventy pounds,
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Speaker 1: green ponytail holders in her hair. African American little girl,
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Speaker 1: big brown eyes. She has a quarter sized burned scar
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Speaker 1: on her left forearm, and at the time she went missing,
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Speaker 1: she had a scrape on her left calf. She normally
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Speaker 1: wears her hair in long ponytails. They disappeared together again.
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Speaker 1: The tip line is eight hundred eight four three fifty
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Speaker 1: six seventy eight. Listen to what her sisters say she
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Speaker 1: used in the house. She had drawn from couch to couch,
26:52
Speaker 1: like said, he running around the house. And she had
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Speaker 1: these dark as that used to scare everybody. She was crazy.
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Speaker 1: And Tianna she like danced, and and she like around
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Speaker 1: how bike, But dancing was her favorite hobby, you know,
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Speaker 1: she said, do a lot of fluff like she's always
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Speaker 1: m Jim Jim the first place she loved. She loved dancing.
27:12
Speaker 1: And she was just the ass boke on one of them,
27:14
Speaker 1: even me, you know, I was. We was laid back
27:17
Speaker 1: inn go out now we head to Oakland, California. And
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Hassany Jamil Campbell. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: his parents at the time he goes missing, trained my
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Speaker 1: life now, frit If something's wrong with him, they don't
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Speaker 1: give give it myself. It's one of them who don't
27:38
Speaker 1: let him become a picture in the milk card pots
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Speaker 1: five years later that you never found. What do we
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Speaker 1: know about the disappearance of a Sanny Campbell? Looking at him,
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Speaker 1: he's just precious. Five years old when he goes missing
27:51
Speaker 1: three ft forty pounds, wearing a gray sweatshirt, gray pants, shorts.
27:56
Speaker 1: Interesting he had cerebral palsy and was wearing his braces.
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Speaker 1: Last seen in Oakland with his foster father, Louise Ross.
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Speaker 1: Now he leaves the boy. He he's going to meet
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Speaker 1: the boy's aunt there the foster parents, and that's his
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Speaker 1: biological aunt that Louise is engaged too. So she had
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Speaker 1: as I recall a shoe store and to get in,
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Speaker 1: it's like a strip center. You drive around back of
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Speaker 1: the store and part right outside the back door and
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Speaker 1: walk in that way. So he pulls up in a
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Speaker 1: BMW and the parking a lot of shoes. S h
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Speaker 1: u Z, that's a shoe store where she worked, and
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Speaker 1: he was dropping a sanny off with him and his
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Speaker 1: one year old sister, Aliyah alright to be with the aunt, Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: So long story short, he goes in the back door
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Speaker 1: to tell Jennifer he's bringing the children in. He goes
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Speaker 1: back out, Hassani is gone. When he gets back out
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Speaker 1: to the BMW, Hassani was totally missing. Defacts Children Family
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Speaker 1: Services never had a problem with a couple of foster
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Speaker 1: parents They claim the couple conscientiously looked after Hassani's medical needs.
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Speaker 1: He was the students at James Leech Elementary at the
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Speaker 1: time he went missing. Police, of course immediately Mark Class
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Speaker 1: impound the BMW, They take Eliyah away and put her
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Speaker 1: in protective custody. They search, pursuit to want the foster
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Speaker 1: parents home, the car, everything they can think of. No clue,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class. I think I live in the San Francisco
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Speaker 1: Bay Area. Oakland has a very real prime problem, There's
29:48
Speaker 1: no question about that. And in response to that, CCTV cameras,
29:53
Speaker 1: surveillance cameras have been put up all over that city.
29:57
Speaker 1: It's hard to find a location where you're not going
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Speaker 1: to be surveilled by a camera except the back of
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Speaker 1: that shoe store. That's the one location in that vicinity
30:06
Speaker 1: where there are no surveillance cameras whatsoever. And so to
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Speaker 1: think that this guy is going to go into the
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Speaker 1: store to say he's bringing the children in and instead
30:16
Speaker 1: of just bringing the children in and then coming out
30:19
Speaker 1: and finding Hassani gun is absolutely ludicrous. If it's going
30:23
Speaker 1: to be a kidnapping, I think the kidnapper would be
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Speaker 1: drawn to the one year old very healthy little girl
30:29
Speaker 1: much more than too little Hassani. And if little Hassani
30:32
Speaker 1: had somehow gotten out of the car and tried to
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Speaker 1: run away, he wouldn't have gotten more than six or
30:37
Speaker 1: seven feet in the time frame that this guy Louis gaped.
30:40
Speaker 1: So a lot of attention was focused on this man
30:43
Speaker 1: immediately as well. It should have been well another thing
30:46
Speaker 1: mark class, just as you and I would have done.
30:48
Speaker 1: Immediately when he went missing, police promptly brought out tracker
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Speaker 1: dogs to the back of She's s h u Z
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Speaker 1: the she store where the aunt the foster mom worked
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Speaker 1: all right, but this tracker dogs immediately could not find
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Speaker 1: Hassani's scent at the site where he was supposedly last seen.
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Speaker 1: This child missing from Oakland is classified as endangered, missing
31:15
Speaker 1: just five years old when he seemingly vanishes into thin air,
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Speaker 1: just three ft forty pounds, gray sweatshirt, gray pants or shorts,
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Speaker 1: white arch support braces with Spider Man logos on a
31:30
Speaker 1: poor little baby. He has cerebral policy. He could walk,
31:34
Speaker 1: but he cannot run or jump. Um. He's an African
31:38
Speaker 1: American male, brown hair, beautiful brown eyes, and he speaks
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Speaker 1: with a lisp. Hassani Campbell missing the tip line. If
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Speaker 1: you know anything about the disappearance of Hassany Campbell five
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Speaker 1: on zero two three eight zero to three A thirty
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Speaker 1: six forty one. Let's go to Nashville, guys. Tabitha last
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Speaker 1: seen by her family seven a m. Her father wakes
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Speaker 1: her up. It's April nine. They lived there in a
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Speaker 1: little home on Lillian Street, Nashville. She was watching TV.
32:15
Speaker 1: He goes to work. Now. She was supposed to get
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Speaker 1: on the school bus that morning at eight a m.
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Speaker 1: At fourteen in Biscua Bell Street. Witnesses saw her more
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Speaker 1: than one, which in my mind takes the father out
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Speaker 1: of the mix. Witnesses see her walking to the bus stop. Okay,
32:33
Speaker 1: she was reading some papers as she walked. She was
32:37
Speaker 1: not in a hurry. She was not looking for anybody.
32:39
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, Mark, that reminds me so
32:42
Speaker 1: much of my daughter, Lucy. John David is the mayor
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Speaker 1: of Funville. Okay, Mark, Lucy. It's always reading something. Her
32:52
Speaker 1: mind is a million miles away. In some stories she's writing,
32:56
Speaker 1: or she likes to draw, she likes to read. I
33:00
Speaker 1: can just see this girl, Tabitha Tutors, just precious walking
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Speaker 1: to the bus stop at eight a m. People saw
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Speaker 1: her more than one. As I was saying to me,
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Speaker 1: that takes the dad out of the mix. But here's
33:14
Speaker 1: the here's the twist. Tabitha never got on the bus
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Speaker 1: and she never got to Bailey Middle School, just two
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Speaker 1: miles away. The parents don't know a thing until that
33:26
Speaker 1: evening when she doesn't come home, they find out she
33:31
Speaker 1: was missing from school and they immediately report her missing
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Speaker 1: to police. Okay, Mark class, can you even imagine getting
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Speaker 1: the perp getting that much of a head start from
33:43
Speaker 1: eight am to six pm? Why didn't the school call
33:46
Speaker 1: the parents? Well, that's a that's an issue that needs
33:50
Speaker 1: to be addressed, and it really needs to be addressed
33:52
Speaker 1: in every school in America that when children don't show up,
33:56
Speaker 1: the parents need to be notified immediately. And I'll tell
33:59
Speaker 1: you why now, because this is an interesting factory here.
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Speaker 1: A third of all abduction attempts in the United States
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Speaker 1: occur on school bus routes. And they occur on school
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Speaker 1: bus Wait a minute, Wait a minute, let me let
34:12
Speaker 1: me let that soak in Mark class. WHOA, you just
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Speaker 1: taught me something. I'm gonna write this sand hold on
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Speaker 1: one third of child abductions. Okay, go ahead, I'm writing this, Jackie,
34:24
Speaker 1: Please get this month our child abductions. What now? So
34:27
Speaker 1: a third of all child abduction attempts occur on school routes.
34:32
Speaker 1: And that tells us something, Nancy. That tells us that
34:35
Speaker 1: if we know about fact, we can cunt We can
34:37
Speaker 1: cut abductions in this country tremendously simply by addressing that
34:42
Speaker 1: singular issue. And we can do that in a variety
34:44
Speaker 1: of ways. We can do that by having neighbors watched
34:47
Speaker 1: the children on the routes, by doing some kind of
34:50
Speaker 1: a round robin where there's always a parent watching the
34:53
Speaker 1: kids going to the routes or going to the bus
34:56
Speaker 1: and coming home from the bus. We could have that
34:59
Speaker 1: as an elderly project for an elderly home where you
35:02
Speaker 1: don't have to do something. You could go high tech
35:04
Speaker 1: and put surveillance cameras along those routes. And if we
35:07
Speaker 1: were to do that, we would be able to prevent
35:09
Speaker 1: situations like Tabitha's or so many of the other children
35:12
Speaker 1: that we've talked about over the years that if you'll
35:15
Speaker 1: look back, you'll see that they disappeared either going to
35:18
Speaker 1: school or coming home from school. There are set patterns.
35:21
Speaker 1: Predators understand that they're able to plan for it, and
35:24
Speaker 1: they're able to do things instilled. You know what, mark class?
35:28
Speaker 1: You make so much sense. I did not know that statistic.
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Speaker 1: Now if you I got that from the National Center
35:34
Speaker 1: from Missing and Exploited Children, Daphne Young with me with
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Speaker 1: Child Help Organization. Did you know that fact? I did
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Speaker 1: not know one third of all child abduction attempts occur
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Speaker 1: on a bus route or on the way to school.
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Speaker 1: It's true, and one of the big problems is that
35:50
Speaker 1: in addition to not safeguarding the areas where children are,
35:53
Speaker 1: which mark class is correct, we should take the onus
35:56
Speaker 1: off the child and do our duty as a community
35:59
Speaker 1: and create safe route so that every step that a
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Speaker 1: child takes is secured. And also we should put some
36:05
Speaker 1: prevention education in the schools as well, so children learned
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Speaker 1: body safety, Internet creditors what to do when being groomed.
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Speaker 1: You know, we do a lot of stop, drop and
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Speaker 1: roll for fire safety. It should be the same thing
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Speaker 1: for their personal safety. Guys with me are too not
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Speaker 1: only very dear friends to me, but colleagues and our
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Speaker 1: crusade to help find missing children. Daphne Young with Child
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Speaker 1: help with me, Cheryl McCollum with the Cold Case Research
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Speaker 1: Institute and Mark Class. To reach child help, go to
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