Latest / 360 with Katie Woolf / The Week That Was

Transcript

The Week That Was · 360 with Katie Woolf

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: This morning.
• 0:01
  Speaker 2: We have got Sky News bureau chief for the Northern Territory,
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham.
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Matt.
• 0:05
  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: We've got the Colpsmurray Claire Boothby. Good morning to you,
• 0:09
  Speaker 2: Maurray Claire.
• 0:09
  Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, and to all the listeners.
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: And for the first time in the studio for the
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: week that was, we have got the ALP's Brent Potter.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Good morning to your Brent, Katie.
• 0:18
  Speaker 5: Morning listeners.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio for the show.
• 0:21
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: It is obviously a sad day, I think right around
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: the world, with Queen Elizabeth passing away overnight at the
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: age of ninety six. Buckingham Palace obviously confirming that this morning,
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: releasing a statement just after six thirty pm on Thursday
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Local time three point thirty Australian Eastern Standard time, confirming
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: her death and the statement read the Queen died peacefully
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: at Balmorral this afternoon. The King and Queen Consort will
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: remain at Balmorral this evening and we'll return to London tomorrow. Charles,
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: who will be now known as King Charles. The third
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: issue to Statements, the death of his beloved mother was
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: a moment of the greatest sadness for me and all
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: members of my family, he said, we mourn profoundly the
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: passing of a cherished, sovereign and much loved mother. So
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: she had rained since nineteen fifty three, and I think,
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: whether you're a Royalist or not, it's an unbelievable amount
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: of time to serve, isn't it. It's like, it's an
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: unbelievable amount.
• 1:28
  Speaker 6: Well, it's incredible to think that most Australians have only
• 1:31
  Speaker 6: known this queen. You know, I'm forty five years old.
• 1:33
  Speaker 6: I've only known this queen. And the only person I
• 1:35
  Speaker 6: really know well who's known anyone other than this monarch
• 1:38
  Speaker 6: is my old man, you know, Like you know, for
• 1:41
  Speaker 6: most of us, this is it. And it's just been
• 1:42
  Speaker 6: a remarkable rain. I think one of the most extraordinary
• 1:45
  Speaker 6: things about Queen Elizabeth Katie is the fact that she
• 1:50
  Speaker 6: was able to. I mean, the role that she holds
• 1:54
  Speaker 6: is one that just by design and attracts so much controversy,
• 1:58
  Speaker 6: and yet she has managed to stay pretty much uncontroversial
• 2:02
  Speaker 6: over that period of time. I mean, there've been scandals
• 2:04
  Speaker 6: within the royal family, but she has always sat above that.
• 2:08
  Speaker 6: She has always maintained her dignity. She has never become
• 2:11
  Speaker 6: political and I think as a result of that, you know,
• 2:16
  Speaker 6: we're still a monarchy in this country. I think if
• 2:18
  Speaker 6: you had asked most Australians thirty years ago, in thirty
• 2:20
  Speaker 6: years time, will Australia be a republic, they would say yes.
• 2:24
  Speaker 6: I think the fact that the Queen has held herself
• 2:27
  Speaker 6: with such dignity, and the fact that Australians respect and
• 2:32
  Speaker 6: admire the Queen so much, I think that has a
• 2:35
  Speaker 6: lot to do with the fact that we're still a
• 2:36
  Speaker 6: monarchy today.
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right, you know, she's been so solid
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: and consistent for such a long period of time. And
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: even to think just a couple of days ago she
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: was with the you know, the swearing in of the
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: of the new Prime Minister of the UK. It's unbelievable
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: to think up until the time of duty.
• 2:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think there's plenty of people that
• 2:56
  Speaker 4: would be remembering all the different events that had happened
• 3:00
  Speaker 4: where she was there. And I think she was like
• 3:02
  Speaker 4: a woman of probably very few words, but when she
• 3:05
  Speaker 4: did speak, it was quite profound, and she always had
• 3:09
  Speaker 4: that air of grace about her. And I think I mean,
• 3:11
  Speaker 4: I'm even thinking of little things in my own life
• 3:13
  Speaker 4: where I remember it. I mean, my first sorry, second
• 3:16
  Speaker 4: son was born on the day that Prince George was born,
• 3:19
  Speaker 4: which is her great grandson of course, and like it's
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: a small memory in my life. But I guess a
• 3:23
  Speaker 4: lot of people around the territory, of course Australia, in
• 3:26
  Speaker 4: the world, are going to be reflecting today on those little,
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: tiny moments that connect them and their families and their
• 3:31
  Speaker 4: life to the Queen, which is amazing. It's a very
• 3:34
  Speaker 4: special time, it really is.
• 3:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I can remember the day I signed did
• 3:39
  Speaker 5: my oath to the Queen when I signed up in
• 3:41
  Speaker 5: two thousand and seven to the army. So and everything
• 3:43
  Speaker 5: you do is for the Queen. And as I said
• 3:45
  Speaker 5: today in my post to her, when you go to
• 3:48
  Speaker 5: Parliament you get sworn in. Last week did it again
• 3:50
  Speaker 5: to the Queen. So you know, for the last sort
• 3:52
  Speaker 5: of two major milestones in my working career has been
• 3:54
  Speaker 5: linked to the Queen in the monarchy. So you know,
• 3:56
  Speaker 5: I am I'm an enthusiast myself, but I can understand
• 3:59
  Speaker 5: those that aren't. But I think today everyone can agree
• 4:01
  Speaker 5: she was a great woman, a lot for a lot.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: Of people, absolutely, and you know she'd visited the Northern
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: Territory I think was it on three occasions.
• 4:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this morning I went and had a look at
• 4:10
  Speaker 6: the video. There's a great video from nineteen sixty three
• 4:13
  Speaker 6: when she visited the Northern Territory and she went to
• 4:15
  Speaker 6: Alice Springs and then she went to an outback station
• 4:17
  Speaker 6: and then she came to Darwin and there was a
• 4:18
  Speaker 6: big parade at Wenlli Showgrounds and it's just remarkable to
• 4:22
  Speaker 6: watch the pictures from back then of the Queen. The
• 4:26
  Speaker 6: other thing that's remarkable about her is that you know,
• 4:28
  Speaker 6: she assented to the crown at such a young age
• 4:30
  Speaker 6: and I think she was twenty five when she took
• 4:32
  Speaker 6: the throne, and I think a lot of people had
• 4:34
  Speaker 6: concerns at the time. You think it's nineteen fifty two,
• 4:37
  Speaker 6: just coming out of World War Two. I think at
• 4:39
  Speaker 6: the time the role of the Queen of England how
• 4:43
  Speaker 6: perhaps more authority even than it does now. And to
• 4:46
  Speaker 6: have taken that role on at such a young age
• 4:49
  Speaker 6: and then really have carried to have carried herself then
• 4:53
  Speaker 6: with such dignity over seventy years, it's just, you know,
• 4:58
  Speaker 6: it's an incredible feat it's something clearly will never be
• 5:01
  Speaker 6: achieved again. She's the longest serving monarch in history, and
• 5:05
  Speaker 6: I think things are going to change now. I think
• 5:07
  Speaker 6: that there'll be a very different monarchy that we have
• 5:11
  Speaker 6: now under King Charles the Third.
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is where the conversation will turn, no
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: doubt towards next week. We are going to be speaking
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: to the Administrator, her honor, the Honorable Vicky O'Halloran just
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: after ten o'clock this morning. But she has obviously said
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: as well in a statement that it is with the
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: deeper sadness that we've learned of the passing of our
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: most gracious Sovereign, Her Majesty the Queen, and spoke about
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: as well. She's certainly said in this statement that she
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: reigned over a period of growth and prosperity, and oversaw
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: the granting of self government to the people of the
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory in nineteen seventy eight, the appointment of twelve
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: Chief Ministers sixteen administrators of the Northern Territory, and Her
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: Majesty unfailingly demonstrated her commitment to the service of the
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: people of the Commonwealth throughout her life.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: I'll be really.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: Interested to hear from our listeners this morning. I've got
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who listened to the show who've
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: lived here for such a long, long period of time
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: to hear if anybody's met the Queen, if any of
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: them sort of remember as well when she visited. I
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: understand that she was here before. Was it just before cyclone?
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: Tracy?
• 6:18
  Speaker 4: Well, Katie, I'm not sure about that particular at time,
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: but Josh Bergwin and l Springs actually remembers her coming
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: to his primary school in Alice Springs, which is amazing
• 6:29
  Speaker 4: primary school.
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: So that must have been about years.
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: Ago, two thousand, two two thousand apparently, and he said
• 6:37
  Speaker 4: he remembers just all the kids flying their flags. They
• 6:39
  Speaker 4: were so excited. I mean, what an amazing experience.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and no doubt you know there is going
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: to be a lot to come over coming days.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: Were you going to say something, No, No.
• 6:49
  Speaker 6: I was just thinking agreeing what an amazing time it
• 6:52
  Speaker 6: would have been and the Queens. I remember when Barack
• 6:54
  Speaker 6: Obama was here and that was enormous. I can only
• 6:56
  Speaker 6: imagine it was like, you know, when the Queen visited,
• 6:58
  Speaker 6: it must have been incredible.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: When there are messages starting to flow through on the
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: text line this morning as well. I know plenty of
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: people will certainly remember have their different fond memories of
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: the Queen. Emilio and Rapid Creek has just messaged and said, Hi, Katie,
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: what a sad morning to wake up to the passing
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: of Queen Elizabeth. What an amazing lady. The things she's
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: seen change around the world and mostly the countries under
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: her commonwealth. Rest in peace, Queen Elizabeth. The second that
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: one there from Emilio.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: And Rapid a Creek.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: And isn't that so true when you think about the
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: time that she's rained, It is unbelievable what would have
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: changed in that period of time.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: You know, there has been so much happened.
• 7:35
  Speaker 5: She's seen it all. I think, like everything we can remember,
• 7:38
  Speaker 5: she's seen it, and something, yeah, like it's just phenomenal.
• 7:41
  Speaker 6: Television didn't exist when when she began her reign, We'll
• 7:45
  Speaker 6: certainly not in this country. I don't think we got
• 7:46
  Speaker 6: it until like nineteen fifty six, so you know, that's
• 7:48
  Speaker 6: pretty remarkable. The other thing I think it's worth thinking
• 7:53
  Speaker 6: about is that I was talking to my daughters about
• 7:55
  Speaker 6: this this morning and they were saying that, you know,
• 7:57
  Speaker 6: were saying, well, now Charles is the king in this
• 8:00
  Speaker 6: saying or when do we get another queen? And basically like, well,
• 8:03
  Speaker 6: you're basically not going to get one.
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: In your lifetime. You will probably not.
• 8:08
  Speaker 6: See another queen because you know, obviously we've got King
• 8:12
  Speaker 6: Charles now, and then it's William, and then it's George
• 8:15
  Speaker 6: and you know, so it's remarkable. I mean, to have
• 8:19
  Speaker 6: a queen is a fairly extraordinary set of circumstances in
• 8:22
  Speaker 6: the first place. So then have a queen that reigns
• 8:24
  Speaker 6: for seventy years, it's just increavable.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: And like you said, you know when you're pointed out
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: right from the get go that she had obviously become
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: the queen.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: It's such a young age. And I always think.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: That leaders or people either rise to the occasion or
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: they don't, and didn't she certainly rise to the occasion.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that.
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: We might take a very short break and when we
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: come back, we are going to speak about some of
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: the issues that we've faced here in the Northern Territory
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: throughout the week. If you do want to send us
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: a message this morning, though, we love hearing from me.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: Zero four double nine seven double one three six zero.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: It is just on sixteen minutes after nine o'clock and
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: if you have just joined us in this studio this morning,
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: we've got Matt Cunningham, Marie Claire Boothby and Brent Potter.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: Now we know that it's been an.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: Interesting week when it comes to news, and the Property
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: Council of the Northern Territory have released the results to
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: a recent survey which they've conducted, which shows that crime
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: and anti social behavior have emerged as key factors contributing
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: to the skill shortage. So the Property Council of the
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory, obviously they've contacted businesses and identified that forty
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: three percent of respondents believe people are leaving the territory
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: because of the high level of crime and anti social behavior.
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: Now eighty seven point five percent of actively recruiting are
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: actively recruiting i should say businesses, and one hundred percent
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: of those are experiencing difficulty filling jobs. Now that is
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: certainly not a surprise. I don't think to anybody when
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: you talk about the skill shortage that we've got in
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: the territory right now and right across the nation, there's
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: no doubt that it's happening.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: Right around the place. But the skill shortage.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: But then when you look at the impact that crime
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: is having on recruiting people, Look, it's a concern whether
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: it's this survey or whether you really look at some
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: of the different vision that we've seen on social media
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. I don't think that incidents
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: like the one that we saw a couple of weeks
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: back at the Woolworth CBD help in any way, shape
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: or form if you're trying to get people to move
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: to the territory.
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: I tend to agree with you, Katie, like crime shouldn't happen,
• 10:28
  Speaker 5: and seeing that stuff is confronting for tourists and locals alike.
• 10:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, we're all going to agree on that it
• 10:33
  Speaker 5: shouldn't happen. We's got to keep working on. I think
• 10:35
  Speaker 5: the point you make that it's a national problem for
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: work a skill shortage, I mean everyone is feeling it
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: in every state. And to say that there's one solution
• 10:42
  Speaker 5: that we can click our fingers tomorrow and get them,
• 10:44
  Speaker 5: you've just got to get overseas. Do the work attraction
• 10:46
  Speaker 5: programs make it attractive to move to the territory. You
• 10:50
  Speaker 5: know there's a potentially property markets are declining down south,
• 10:53
  Speaker 5: and we're holding true, like, there are benefits to come
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: into the territory and there's a plenty of opportunity. I
• 10:57
  Speaker 5: think that's what's been good for the territory long terms.
• 11:00
  Speaker 5: You can come up here and make yourself, you know,
• 11:02
  Speaker 5: progress your career very quickly, learn a lot of things,
• 11:05
  Speaker 5: and then we want them to stay. But obviously for
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: some people they move back home. But I think the
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: territory has its benefits. And you know, ultimately, the more
• 11:11
  Speaker 5: we continue to talk the negative, the more it becomes
• 11:13
  Speaker 5: front and center of people's mind and we need to
• 11:15
  Speaker 5: start talking about the good.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Things as well.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hate that line from the government, if
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: I'm honest about it, because it makes people feel like
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: you're gas lighting them in the sense that you know,
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: it's an issue that continues on, and like I get
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: it that people don't want the territory to be talked down,
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: but fundamentally, no one's making these issues up. You know,
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: we're not making up the you know, the vision that
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: you see at will Ease, or you're not sort of
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: making up the fact that you know, the police have
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: issued a statement from just a couple of days ago.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: I think it was two days ago about a sexual assault.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: In lud Miller. So it's you know, I get that.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: The government are saying, we don't want to be talking
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: the place down, but if you ignore issues, or if
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: you if you don't try to really crack into them
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: and fix them, we can't stop talking about I'm not.
• 12:00
  Speaker 6: Sure it's an either or, because you know, I mean,
• 12:04
  Speaker 6: I came to this place to live fifteen years ago
• 12:09
  Speaker 6: and there's the best thing I ever did in my life.
• 12:10
  Speaker 6: And if I ever spoke to anyone, I would say,
• 12:13
  Speaker 6: you know, who was thinking about coming to live in
• 12:15
  Speaker 6: the Northern Territory, I would say, absolutely do it. And
• 12:18
  Speaker 6: for a lot of the reasons that Brent was talking about.
• 12:21
  Speaker 6: You know, it's a great it's an incredible lifestyle, it's
• 12:23
  Speaker 6: an incredible opportunity. From a career point of view, I
• 12:27
  Speaker 6: think a lot of people who come here, they do
• 12:29
  Speaker 6: progress in their career. I think that the point that
• 12:31
  Speaker 6: you touched on is the one thing we need to address.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: We need to work.
• 12:34
  Speaker 6: Out how do we stop people from leaving, how do
• 12:37
  Speaker 6: we stop people from coming? For three to five years,
• 12:39
  Speaker 6: and we've all seen it, We see it all the time.
• 12:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, how many friends we said goodbye to all.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: The time, say goodbye to there from.
• 12:46
  Speaker 6: When you've lived here for long enough, you sort of start,
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: you know, you make that assessment when you meet someone,
• 12:50
  Speaker 6: Am I going to be friends with you? You're pissing
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: off in three years, so you're off the list.
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: The military had the same problem upcoming and serving up here,
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: but it was really difficult to get to their family
• 13:03
  Speaker 5: around the states and jurisdictions. And I think, if we're
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: talking issues that we need to work on, how do
• 13:07
  Speaker 5: we get more passenger carryer services into Dawn and make
• 13:09
  Speaker 5: it easy to come and go from Darwin And those
• 13:11
  Speaker 5: are things that are working on me.
• 13:12
  Speaker 6: I think that's a really good point because the other thing,
• 13:15
  Speaker 6: when I first arrived, you could fly and from Victoria.
• 13:17
  Speaker 6: Obviously you could fly from Darwin to Melbourne when Tiger
• 13:20
  Speaker 6: always had a say saleon for ten dollars each way.
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: You know they have their ten dollars salon and you
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: book eight trips.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Home and it doesn't matter. You know, now you're looking
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: at five hundred bucks each way.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah you got and then if you take your whole
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: family away, it's like it becomes too expensive.
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: I think, Katie, it doesn't matter where you go in
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: the Northern Territory, like whether it's a business or at
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: a door and a shopping center, everybody is talking about
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: the number one issue being the crime and the fact
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: that the crime is now impacting their lives. And so
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: you know, we've got tourists who talk about that when
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: they go home to their families. Obviously, we have businesses
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: that are finding it hard to find staff and attract
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: them from into state. I mean, we're competing with every
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: other state. This one survey is one of many reports
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: and surveys and communications to the Labor government about what
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: is happening in the Northern Territory, and they really don't
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: have anything to say about it. They're sort of doubling
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: down on their existing policies to just continue along the
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: same way that we're going to go, which really is
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: not good enough. I mean, we need to see some
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: changes and they're just playing it down at all. They
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: just accuse everyone of being a negative and nobody wants
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: to be negative. We all love the territory, but we
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: have to be realists and we have to address these
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: serious problems that we've got.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: And look, I think it's really it is definitely well
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: worth pointing out that all of us live here because
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: we love living here. I don't you know, everybody could
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: tell you know, we could all say ten things about
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: what we love about the Northern.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Territory, you know.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: But this issue of crime and anti social behavior, there's
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: no doubt that it's putting pressure on territorians in different ways.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: But I do want to just take you to one
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: of the other points that came out in this survey,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: which I reckon is really important one, and that is
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know that we need to make
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: sure we've got places for people to live and housing
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: of Fordevilla bit affordability, but also ensuring that you know
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: that there are places that you can rent, and that
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: is a big like, that's a big thing for a
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: lot of people. I don't know whether we can look
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: at somewhere like Howard Springs to bring in the workforce.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I know that there's not kitchens in those areas, you know,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: if you do have workers coming across. But there's no
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: doubt that it is pretty expensive at the moment, isn't
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: it to buy or rent.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: It's a bit of a tough one though, isn't it though,
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: Because I mean, I remember sort of at the beginning
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: of the IMPECS boom, you know, where suddenly it became
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: impossible to find a rental property. Suddenly there were you go,
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: you know, and I was trying to find a rental property.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: At the time you go to an open for inspection,
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: there'd be fifty other people there. You have to offer
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: fifty bucks more than what the place has been advertised
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: just to have a chance to get the property. And
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: it went through this massive boom, and then we build
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: all of these apartments, and then all of a sudden,
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: impects was gone. And then suddenly, you know, we had
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: a crisis the other way around, where you know, people
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: owned all these apartments in the CBD and couldn't get
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: anyone to rent them. You couldn't you couldn't rent one
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: out for one hundred dollars a week at the time.
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: So you've got to be careful. You've got to get
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: the you've got to get the balance, right. I think
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: you don't want to go and say, all right, we've
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: got a housing crisis. Therefore we've got to go and
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: build all of these new apartments. And then suddenly, you know,
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: there's a change in the population shift, and then all
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: of a sudden you're back in the problem we had
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: six years ago where you've got all these empty apartments
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: and no one to rent them.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: And we're not going to get two thousand people arriving tomorrow.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: And exactly your point. We've got plenty of time to
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: continue to do land release, continue to develop. There will
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: be a short term strain, no doubt. You know, as
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: we do work attraction programs and there's some local businesses
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: that want to get to the UK right now to
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: bring people over for the hospitality industry. They will come
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: into the territory, they'll hit the rental market, generally going
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: to be apartments in townhouses. But I think some of
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: the bigger projects we're talking thousand workers, two thousand workers.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: We've got time and we're working on it. And I
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: think it's you know, between government the proprivate proponents to
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: expediate those when they need them. You know, turning land
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: on isn't quick, but we've made that commitment to do
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: it well.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: In one of those pieces of land in there is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: meant to be made available is obviously Lee point and
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: now we know that that's some that sort of turned
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: into a bit of a debarcle. I suppose the federal
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: minister's threatening to step in.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: Isn't she what the territory rights? You know, gosling to
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: stand up in territory rights. I mean, it was a
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: decision that had been made, and I understand that there's
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: concern about some of the environmental issues out there, and
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: there's concern about the Goody and Finsch, but there was
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: a process that was gone through.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Now we've had that process.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know how you can then, once the process
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: is finished, then turn around and say, oh, hang on,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: I'm just not sure. And that raises real concerns about,
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: you know, providing certainty to people when they commit to
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: a development like this. You know, they know there's a
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: process that they have to go through. You know, they
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: think they've gotten to the end of that process, and
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: then suddenly it all gets turned on its head. So
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know, a few concerns about what's going on there.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Can I just ask and go back a step too?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Your comments around the Howard Springs facility. I mean, I
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: noticed that the labor governments sort have gone really quiet
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: on this, and the Property Council has come out and
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: suggested that would be a great option for workers to
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: stay there, especially if they are coming in the planeloads.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: You know that they've gone over to each team one
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: now like hopefully they do bring back those planeloads. I mean,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I'm just really curious as to what the government is
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: going to do in that space. I mean, there's been
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: lots of suggestions for a little while now, but they've
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: been playing it down. I mean, even the pool that's
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: at the Howard Springs facility there, you know, Parmesan's close
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: to fourteen months. We suggested that they could open that
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: facility up for people that off Parmesan to swim and
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: do their classes and their training, and they just basically
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: battered away saying no option there, you go away sort
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: of thing, which is awful because you know, we need
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: workers to stay there, for them to have somewhere to live,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: we need people to use the facilities. It's all there.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: It's sitting there pretty much doing nothing. I mean, what
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: is happening with that space.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Well, it's currently got another year that we need under
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: funding from the FEDS to keep there in case of
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: the pandemic or spiking COVID. That's there's another twelve months
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: at minimum for that. So in that instance, that's what
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: it's being useful. But I think there are not just
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the Property Council has ideas, but there are other organizations
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: that have ideas for that facility the that're currently engaging with
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: the department. It's a big facility. Not everyone is going
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: to be able to use every part of that facility,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: so if multiple people want to use it, it needs to
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: go through a process, and it is going through the
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: department at the moment. I think though, we're also looking at,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: like I said before, there's going to be significant numbers
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: of major projects coming that we'll need accommodation. All of
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: those things will be considered at some point in relation
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: to those projects, and that I'm sure if people came
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: and said, hey, we've got a thousand workers coming out
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: of these team or and we can find their flights
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: to get them here and we're looking for accommodation, of
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: course the gun will look at every opportunity you can
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: to get those people here.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I just think we can stand up really quickly when
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: there is a pandemic. And obviously that facility was you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: everything was thrown at it to make sure we could
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: have it there. And then now we've had time where
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: it's been empty, and we still have more time where
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: it's going to be empty unless there's a problem, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: of course if there is, then we can address it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: But I mean, we've got a big space there, we
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: can use it. It's needed, So why not look at it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not saying I wouldn't. I thought it's not
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: on the table. I think it's of course it's on
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: the table. And you ask any minister, they would say
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: that we'll do anything we can to get the workers
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: in here. But there's there's not two and a half
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: thousand workers sitting right now saying we want to come
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: into day and we've got to find them and they
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: all come, like I said, they will come over a
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: period of time. I think there's more than enough in
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: the market at the moment to house them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I definitely think though we are needing to fill some
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of those jobs, certainly to fill that worker shortage in
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: so many different industries right now. I mean, you speak
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to you speak to a lot of businesses and they
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: do say it is one of the biggest issues for
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: them is trying to attract or will to recruit people
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to get here, to attract them and then.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: Keep them and one of the biggest issues, and then
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: this came out in the job something. Last week has
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: been the red tape issue, like there was something like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: you know, the people waiting a year to get their
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: visas approved. You just can't have that in this situation.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: The bureaucracy needs to needs to be exactly right, smartness,
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: sacked up or get out of the way.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was talking to somebody about that and the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the increase in the cap on migration, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: they said, well, you can increase it to whatever you like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: but if it's taking such a long period of time
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to process the meaning way, there is no point.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And that's you.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Know, that is such an important thing that does need
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to be to be moved along by the sounds of it. Anyway,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: we'll take a very quick break. You are listening to
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: mix on four nine. It is the week that was.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: You gotta go a better.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it is just after nine thirty, And I tell
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you what, we always get some interesting messages during the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: week that was, and I did receive one just a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: few minutes ago. Now let me read it out for you,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and it says, Hello, this is Noel pagem KESI as mother,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: where's my daughter, Kesier, what have you done with her?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Kesey is not here this morning.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Kezier is at a school assembly as I understand it. Noel,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: hopefully we'll have it back next week. We love having
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Kesi on the show and Noel, we very often joke
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: whenever we get a very positive message for Kesier that
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it's her mum texting in.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And now I'm very pleased to know that you don't
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: text in.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Now we know this story behind that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I love that she's checking into with me to see
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: where a daughter is. We'll try and contact her for
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you knowl I'm sure she'll be back next week. Now.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: There is other messages coming through.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: There's one here that says, Katie, it's cheaper for me
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to fly cans to Tokyo return rather than it is
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: for Darwin to Can's return.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, when you talk about.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Those flights, it does have such a big impact on
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the liveability in the Northern Territory and on people sort
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of staying here longer term. The easier that you can
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: get back if you come from somewhere else, from another
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: state to go and see your family, and the cheaper
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that you can do it. Obviously, the better, but those
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the cost of flights at the moment and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: around Australia is just astronomical.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: And the people in Alice Springs are saying, well, now
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: you know how we feel.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: When this issue came up a couple of years ago
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: and there were people in Alice Springs saying someone from
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Alice Springs was flying from Alice Springs to Adelaide and
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: then Adelaide to Europe, yep, and it was costing them
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: more that Alice Springs to Adelaide. Leg was costing them
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: more than the Adelaide to Europe league.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Quite a few years ago we went to Hawaii. It
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: was cheaper for us to fly from Sydney to Hawaii
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: than what it was to fly from Darwin to Sydney.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And that's no joke, you know, like you go, That's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: where it makes it really difficult living in regional parts
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of Australia. And I do think that if we ever
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: get serious, I mean we always talk right around the nation.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: You talk so much about developing the North and being
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: serious about really trying to push for regional Australia, But
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: then when you talk about that, how can you ever
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: really do that? If we don't make it more accessible
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: for people and more accessible to.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Be able to go to other parts of Australia.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how you do that when you've
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: got airlines sort of you know, making business decisions.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Out of control. And unfortunately airlines are a corporate so
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: that there's not a lot of government influence there. I'm
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: sure there are some leavers which I don't know about,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: but I think as a jurisdiction, you know, if we
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: look at the economy, if it's a thriving economy with
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: lots of things happening, lots of projects, then of course
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: people will be coming and then it's a demand issue
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: then so I think the commercial of their lines will
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: start to look at that, and so I think we
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: just always need to be working on getting our economy
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: into the space we needed to be. And at the moment,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: you know, the last fifteen reports in a row with Comsex,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: we're dead last compared to all the other states. So
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: we haven't seen any kind of light at the end
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: of the tunnel. We're we're going to get back to
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: that place.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Where the growth state product was the strongest during COVID
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: than any other jurisdiction for a period.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Of timely interesting.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Last month we didn't grow as much.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say we did have an
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: interesting The Bureau of Statistics or the Australian Bureau of
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Statistics Starter it was released on Wednesday, I believe, this week,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and showed that the territory state final demand declined by
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: zero point five percent in that June quarter, the second
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: decline in the past three quarters, and I believe we
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: were the worst performing in the country. Look, it doesn't
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: feel that way in the territory though at the moment,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: which I think is interesting.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: I think you always get a feel for it, don't you.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: Back here in twenty fifteen to twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: when i'd left the impact boom was still happening, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: then came back in twenty sixteen and thought, oh my god,
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: I've walked into a ghost town. But in the last
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: couple of years, I mean I'm only speaking for Darwin obviously,
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: but the place feels like it's had a real buzz
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: about it. You feel like the restaurants are full again,
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: that you know new businesses are opening, that you know
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: the plate and even talking to people you know who
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: are saying as we were saying before, the biggest issue
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: people have got.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Is now finding staff.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: You know, you're now going to you're going out for
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: dinner and you're having to wait for a long time
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: because you know, they're just overworked and they don't have
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: the staff to to basically keep up with the met demand.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I think the feeling that we have, you know, it's there,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: of course, and we see that in our full restaurants,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: et cetera. But the problem is that stats don't lie.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: And you know, the way that we feel does change
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: from week to week in the territory depending on what's happening.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: But you know, we've got several reports out there. We
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: have the Australian Bureau of Statistics with the com Sect
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: that Deloitte's. You know, we're dead lae in all of
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: those reports, and I think we can't ignore those things.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: We still have to keep working on.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: It were fifteen billion dollars committed funds for major projects
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: and another forty billion dollars worth of waiting to get
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: to FID. I mean that's real money, real dollars. I
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: think if you're talking about business confidence, that's fifteen billion
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: dollars that shareholders and companies have said we're going to.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Invest so long, so long as it is real.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the process one of the problems still going ahead.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Road to that don't correct dis credit anything until the
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: company comes out and says not. I mean the roads
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: have been put in there for them, and I think
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: it's a great project if it progresses, and it will,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: I think from when we went to Japan and spoke
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: to them so.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I did just get another message twelve hundred
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: dollars return down and to Alice this week. That was
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: if this person book three weeks ago, no thanks. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you know that's the other hard part is that when
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: we're really trying to you know, to get around the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory, you're wanting to make sure that we're supporting
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: those tourism businesses as well in the you know, within
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the Northern.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Territory itself, I e. Alice Springs.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I'd love, like I would absolutely love to be able
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to take the family to Alice Springs or to see
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: all the arroue for the weekend, but at the moment
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it is just unaffordable.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Fifteen hundred for me earlier this week returns Alice. It
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: doesn't worry me because I wasn't paying, you know, but
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: it is cost prohibitive if you're thinking of, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: doing the holiday within the territory when you've.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Got those rising cost of living. That's right now we're
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: still seeing our field prices and the excess is going
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: to end shortly. And you know, the solar tariff was slashed.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: You've got all these things that add up. Of course,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: people are going to be saying, well, you know, can
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I afford to look that flight?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to just talk about that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: We know that nationally, we learned that the Reserve Bank
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: raised the interest rates again by zero point five percent
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of well zero point five percent, taking the cash rate
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: target to two point three five percent. Now, according to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this analysis by rate City, the latest increase is going
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: to add a further two hundred and sixteen dollars a
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: month to a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars mortgage.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Now we know that that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Cost of living is up for everybody, I think, whether
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: you're in the territory or no matter where you are,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: if you if you do have a home loan. But
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: even as we've discussed, the cost to rent is certainly
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: on the rise, not only here in the territory. But
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: we are certainly feeling the pinch in the territory and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: as you pointed out, Mary Clare, you know the cost
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: of things like petrol, our groceries. But then the issue
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that continues to roll on. And we did learn a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: little earlier this week when I caught up with the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: president of Union's NT Dave Hayes, that there is going
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to be further industrial action next week Wednesday, I believe
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: is when it is looking as though there's going to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: be teachers and also energy employers employees I should say,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: among those planning to go on strike again next week.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I can't see these rolling strikes ending in a hurry, no.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: I they were really clear about that last week when
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the entire SELP opposition went there to support most of
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: our frontline workers. Really we had teachers, nurses, firefighters, police
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: all there trying to send a message to the labor
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: government that they need real action regardless wage freeze. I mean,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: we would actually and that wage freeze over because we
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: need territories to stay here. We need to support our
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: frontline workers.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I mean you just have to look at the Langlank
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: report for budget repair and the government just walked away
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: from that completely. I mean, that was their own report.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: The big question I suppose that we get quite a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: bit on the tech signe though, as well, is how's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the CLP going to afford it? If the Labor Party
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: can't afford it, how's the CLP going to cut teachers?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Again?
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Five hundred of them, Yeah, that was an absolute myth.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: But you did like, I mean, that's not a myth.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: You want to give people a pay rise. And I'll
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: be upfront, we support people being able to take their
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: protect action. We'll continue to work in good faith with them.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: We'll obviously come to an arrangement at some point. We
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: need to negotiat and be at the table. But I
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: think the one thing that though the teachers union and
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: the unions know is that we're not going to cut jobs.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: We made that very clear to them. We don't want
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: to see a public servant who does a great job
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: for us whore inn essential service in many instances, lose
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: a job and then not be able to provide for
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: their family.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: The problem you're in at the moment is not because
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: you're not cutting jobs. It's because you said you'd freeze
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: the public service and you didn't and then you said
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: you'd put a cap on the public service.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And you didn't.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: You know, the numbers I think when labor came to
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: government were about twenty one thousand, and I think they've
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: grown by another two thousand since. And the problem you've
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: got now is that if you give in to the
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: demands of the union, and you know everyone here would
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: sympathize with every one of those frontline workers who was
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: striking last week, and there was probably close to a
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: thousand of them, and the nurses aren't allowed to strike,
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: and neither of the police. So and you can absolutely
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: understand their frustration. Their wages have been frozen at a
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: time when inflation is at a record high. I think
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: it's at seven percent, so you're effectively going seven percent backwards.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: And they've never worked harder, so you absolutely you're in
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: their camp. The problem the government's got is if it
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: gives it a pay rise, its budget situation is already
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: in such a parlous position that you know, you're just
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: making it so much worse and so, and then the
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: other problem you've got on top of that is that
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: you've got two thousand more public servants than when land
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: handing it down his report saying if you don't freeze
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: the numbers, now are you going to be in real trouble. So,
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: I mean we have in a lot of ways. It's
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: a mess of the government's mate, that's right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And so what.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: We have is the Labor government who basically tries to
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: continue to blame the CELP. And I mean the CELP
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: were only in power four years out of twenty one.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's a government's own making and it
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: has no plan to fix it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I'm a union member. I'm not going to you know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: we've made it very clear we sit. I mean to
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: go out there during parliament just to go and get
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: the photo. I mean, at the end of the day, we.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Were standing side by side without.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Everyone on the labor sides. Union members, we stand with you,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: we understand the union.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: One went out there because I remember I worked for
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Tonight many many many years ago when he was the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Minister for Public Employment, and I remember being his media
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: advisor and saying, Rob, I don't know if you should
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: go down there, mate, I don't know that it's a
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: good idea. When they were striking downstairs, he said, nut Wolfy,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm going down there, I'll face them.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And he went down down, he marched and we sort of,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you know, walked out with him. And it actually was
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the right thing to do because it strated that he
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: was prepared to listen to their concerns. And so I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: am keen to know why didn't anyone from labor sort
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: of go down there and hear on First.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: There was a parliamentary sitting day. We were listening to
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: a minister and statement.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't start till ten were.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Every one of us were in parliament when they were striking.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: And secondly, at what time does parliament start ten o'clock?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: They were at nine o'clock. They started at nine o'clock.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: They didn't go out until the middle of Parliament waited
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: to the middle of.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I was there at plenty of plenty. There were plenty
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: of plenty of people you could have gone and spoke
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: to between nine o'clock.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: And only the one person speaking at a time when
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: you're talking on an important issue around the hospitality and
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: tourism sector, which I think there's many people listening that
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: are involved in. I think we owe them the responsibility
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: as parliamentarians to be in parliament.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: To hang on. They were there an hour before parliament started.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: You can't.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: You could have, you know, shore from ten o'clock you
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: needed to be in Parliament, But between nine o'clock and
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: ten o'clock any and you guys knew they were going
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: to be there from nine o'clock, you guys could have
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: gone down there and spoken to it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Is that like they were really angry, and I guess
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the difficulty that we've got now is that,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: you know, the government's not really in a situation where
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they can offer a huge you know a huge amount
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of extra money or there's there's not a huge.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Amount of bargaining.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I would suspect based on the Northern Territories budget and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the way that the books are looking.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: But then we've got.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: A situation where everybody sort of wants to support those
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: frontline workers. We want to support teachers. I know I
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: certainly support the teachers and you know, and other frontline workers.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: But it is starting to get disruptive and it is
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: going to get more and more disruptive then for families,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: for their children who are at school. As you get
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: towards the end of the year, or as you get
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: towards the end of the semester, so I think a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: lot of people listening are wondering, how are we going
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to come to a conclusion here, and how are we
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: going to sort this out?
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Not necessarily financial. I think if you listen to the teachers,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: some of them would tell you that it's all of
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: the other things that come into account. So it doesn't
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: necessarily need to be a financial piece. For some, it
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: will be, for some won't. But I think to say
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: that we don't, you know, it has to be a
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: financial outcome, I don't necessarily think that's true. I think
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: you'll find that there are other mechanisms that can be
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: put on the table in part of negotiations that they
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: can achieve that. And I think when people go for
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: a job, they don't just look at the dollars, They
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: look at the culture and the other additionals that come
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: with this.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: So what is changing that? I mean, we continually hear
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: from the government that what they are doing is working,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and yet everything else, every other statistic tells you otherwise,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Like what is the change?
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Talking EBA here? You just talk. You want to go
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: back to crime like we always do, Like I mean,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: we're talking EBAs. At the end of the day, the
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: unions will sit down with the Office of Public Employment,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: the Commissioner, and they will sit down with and Kirby
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: will sit there as well and work through that and
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: will negotiate in good faith.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Will been going on for a very long time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: I mean wendstand EBAs negotiations, that's what happens. They take
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: time that you have to go through the process. They're
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: not just here's an offer, take and when you start tomorrow.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I think I think the issue, the looming issue, is
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: that we're coming towards the end of the year, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: when it comes to teachers and even police, that they
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: could get to the end of the year and go right,
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: I'm going home for Christmas and I can get a
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: better deal into Satan and so I'm coming back. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: then you know, the negotiations with the nurses have only
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: just begun, and I'm not sure how in this. I mean,
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: I know from a financial point of view why the
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: government is freezing paid because they need to, right. But
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: at the same time, it's going to be very difficult
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: for the government to turn around and say to nurses
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: have just worked harder than they've ever worked through a pandemic,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: turn around and say thanks very much for all your
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: hard work, your pay rise is zero dolls.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: This is the thing and this is where you know
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the government certainly between a rock and a hard place.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: At this point we are going to take a really
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was. You
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four nine. It is
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just ten minutes away from ten o'clock. And if you
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: have just joined us in the studio this morning is
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham, Murray, Claire Boothby and Brent Potter.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And well, it's been an interesting week.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: We know that in Catherine over last weekend, I've got
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a message from davire In It says, Hi, Katie, can
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: you please ask afl NT what's happening following the rite
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: we had last weekend at the footy in Catherine.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I was there and it was pretty outrageous.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: People being capsicum sprayed and being told the Camels need
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: an exit plan.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Is not good, says Dave in Ktown. It's not good
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Look, as most people know, I grew up in Mount
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Isa and I certainly recall a few pretty bad situations.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I've got to say.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: At the rugby League in Mount Issa, where your brother
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and others are being rushed into the dressing sheds.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: I remember getting escorted out of Too Stadium by security
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: about twenty five years ago after after ELMA final.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the thing, but as long as
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it was a new getting capsicum spray. But Jerry Wood
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: called in yesterday and he said, Katie, I want to
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: point out as well that you know, while there is
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: that negativity around what had gone on, he wanted to
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: point out that the women's game was absolutely fantastic and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that everybody had behaved really well and done the right thing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And this is the point, isn't it. When something like
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: that happens, it really does sort of put a cloud
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: over the whole thing.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: It does, is no doubt about that. And you might
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: remember as well, well, do you remember in Alice Springs?
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I reckon it's about two thousand and seven or two.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: I think it was two thousand and seven, there was
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: a massive brawl after the Grand Final in Alice Springs.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Like everyone who was at Trager Park I think just
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: about was involved. It was huge and it went for days.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: And it does when that sort of thing happens, as
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: it did in Catherine last weekend.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: You know, it's unacceptable and it shouldn't happen. And you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: what happens on the field needs to stay on the field.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: And you know, we all anyone who's played footy knows that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: I think we also need to remember that the overwhelming
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: good that sport plays, sport plays in our community.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I shuddered to think.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: You know, we have so many issues when it comes
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: to Aboriginal territories in so many areas that we talk
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: about all the time.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: The one area.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Where you would have to say that they thrive and
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: are absolute champions in this community is in sport, in
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: particular in Australian rules football. Look at how many role
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: models have come out of the Northern Territory through Ossie
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: rules football. So, you know, I think there's a lesson
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: to the people involved in that Catherine incident that that's
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: totally unaccepted. That is not what happens when you lose
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: a game of football. You do not behave like that
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: and it should never ever ever happen. And I'm sure
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: the AFL will come down hard on the people, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: who are involved in doing the wrong thing. But I
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: think we also need to remember the good that sport
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: plays in our community, in particular, particularly AFL footy. It's
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: been overwhelmingly beneficial.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you'll get no argument from me when
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it comes to sport. I love my sport.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And speaking of Matt, there's been a bit of movement
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: in the basketball.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Hasn't there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: Well, there's a push on, as you know, Katie, for
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: an NBL team, and is the NBL Blitz that's being
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: held in a week or so's time, which is going
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: to be pretty big all the NBL teams coming up
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: to play. But there's talk about, you know, we need
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: a stadium if we're going to have an NBL team,
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: And I think there's already discussions going on about whether
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: the Convention Sent can be converted into a stadium where
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: NBL basketball can be played. So, I mean, obviously we've
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: talked a bit about the fiscal issues that are facing
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: the Northern.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Territory of the main.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: I'm sure a new one, but I'm not sure what
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: the price tag on converting the Convention Center would be.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: Maybe hopefully not too prohibitive, but I think it'd be
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: pretty exciting if we could get a team here in
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: a national sporting competition. I think you've already seen from
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: the Salties how popular they've been. And I think the
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: one thing we talk about how great living in Darwin is,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: I reckon the one thing we miss here is having
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: a team in a national competition, whatever competition that may be,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: that we could all get out there and support every territory.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, and I think listen, territories listening,
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: they should go out, buy the tickets, go to the Blitz,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: stack the stack, the stadium, and then three on three
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: because that will demonstrate to the NBA that we're serious
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: and we've got the people that will support such a team.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: And the Sulties do a great job so the first
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: year and they turnout, we're getting in that and if
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: we can you know, if it is the convention Center
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: that can actually used indoor air con during the during
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: the wet season, and we can use that as the stadium,
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: it's probably a good introm to start with. And you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: start small, but if we can get a national team,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: I think you're right. At the end of the day,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: everyone wants to see the territory in some form of
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: a national sporting body.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe in the NRL. Your brother News for him in
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the last week or so.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So my brother Ben's going to Saint George is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: their assistant coach, and my brother Christian is going to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: be the assistant coach of the Dolphins and then take over.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Not just an yes you got him on for an
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: interview yet come on.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Because he would just tease me basically to find out
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the real what it was really No.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, all from Mount Isser. We grew up in
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: good old Mound Isser, so yes, plenty of people out
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: in Mount Eyes are very very happy rugby league.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Mad rugby league fans.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Christmas will be interesting, no doubt when we
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: talk about who's going to be.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: The better team. But anyway, we better wrap up.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Always wonderful to have you all in the studio. Matt Cunningham,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Sky News Bureau chief for the Northern Territory, thank you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: for your time this morning.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Thanks Wolfy.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Marie Claire Boothy from the COLP, thank you so much
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: for your time this morning.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you. And I just want to give a huge
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: shout out to the Parmesan Raiders and the Parmesan Northern
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Sharks who are both in the eighth grade Grand Final
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: this Saturday night.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gonna be Massy Darrel.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be amazing and I think this
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: is the second year in a robe both those teams
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: have played, so go to Parmerston. They are absolutely.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Representing wonderful stuff. And Brent Posh from the ALP, thank
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you so much for joining us this morning. Thanks Lo Cody,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: thank you, and it has been the week that was
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: coming your way. In a few minutes time, we are
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: going to be speaking to the Administrator of the Northern Territory,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: her honor, the Honorable Vicky O'Halleran.