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Credlin | 7 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline, the five for the Liberal leadership. Now
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Speaker 2: forget that it's got anything to do with male or
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Speaker 2: female candidates. This is a battle between the parties left
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Speaker 2: and the right. We might also have a new name
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Speaker 2: in the mix tonight, the Seed of Goldstein, Tim Wilson,
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Speaker 2: declining to rule out a tilt. Wilson joins me later
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Speaker 2: in the show. Meanwhile, Labor two might be smiling, but
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes the right faction is feuding over who
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Speaker 2: loses the ministry position. Is that the new South Wales
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Speaker 2: Right or someone out of Victoria? Who's on the chopping block?
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Speaker 2: And what's this talk of a big un job in
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Speaker 2: the offing for Chris Bowen. Plus good news the first
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Speaker 2: Teal seat has gone to more tonight on an ipe age.
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Speaker 2: But I'll also have exclusive information that shows the Teals
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Speaker 2: are owned by big climate money and how that model
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Speaker 2: is now branching out. More on that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: And I just can't resist running this vision again, the
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Speaker 2: premature claiming a victory by the Gucci Green Teal Zoe
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Speaker 2: Daniel on Saturday night and today that's evaporate. It's been
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Speaker 2: a hard campaign, tinging set in Goldstein.
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Speaker 3: Hope Winds genuinely very proud to say that we are
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Speaker 3: pleased to accept that we have won the seat of
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Speaker 3: Goldstein back for the Lobody.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with these issues because the election wash up's continuing.
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Speaker 2: I still belgning today though we may well have seen
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Speaker 2: peak Teal. And it's possible also that the Greens have
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Speaker 2: lost all of their Lower House seats thanks to Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's principal decision to put Labor a party of government
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Speaker 2: ahead of the extremists. Continueing counting has given back Goldstein
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Speaker 2: to the Limbs, and the man who has emerged the victor,
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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson, joins me here short in the Cydny seat
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Speaker 2: of Bradfield. It looks like the Liberals there have held
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Speaker 2: off the Teals too, despite their candidate from last time
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Speaker 2: having been funded as some sort of shadow member for
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Speaker 2: the past three years. And we may yet see the
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Speaker 2: end of the campaign. Karen Manik Ryan in Coujong as well.
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Speaker 2: So what does that tell you that well credentialed Liberal
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Speaker 2: candidates plenty of time to run strong local campaigns. Well,
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Speaker 2: they can win back tal seats even in an election
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Speaker 2: where the party went backwards because of a supposedly hard
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Speaker 2: ride leader without clear policy or a strong national campaign.
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Speaker 2: Now see how premature it is to write the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party off or to panic at a bad outcome. Again,
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Speaker 2: as I said on Monday night when I went methodically
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Speaker 2: through the numbers and recent electoral history, perspective is everything,
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Speaker 2: and it's so important that you have perspective because when
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Speaker 2: you win, you need it so it doesn't go to
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Speaker 2: your head, and you need it when you lose, so
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Speaker 2: that you learn the lessons of what to change and
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Speaker 2: what to keep. So let's now be clear about the tiles.
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Speaker 2: They were never innocent, idealistic community independence. They're incredibly well
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Speaker 2: funded and a well drilled arm, a political arm of
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Speaker 2: the renewable energy industry. Renewable energy barons have organized and
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Speaker 2: funded them into the Parliament in order to protect their
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Speaker 2: subsidy harvesting business model. These tials are owned by the
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Speaker 2: big climate money that funds them, and that model is
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Speaker 2: branching out. Have a look at this. It's a label
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Speaker 2: from a box in the seat of wanted. It's a
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Speaker 2: box of pamphlets for the Legalized Cannabis Party. And who
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Speaker 2: paid for that, Well, it says on the box Climate
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Speaker 2: two hundred. Now that might sound like a bit of
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Speaker 2: a weird connection, but surely that's got something to do
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Speaker 2: with a purchase of cannabis farm by the top Climate
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Speaker 2: two hundred donor the million and their share trader Rob Kelldoulis.
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Speaker 2: He's a high profile backer of the Legalized Cannabis Party
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Speaker 2: and on the weekend it acted as a preference harvester
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Speaker 2: in many of the Teal races. Now there's very little
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Speaker 2: principal politics here. It's follow the money and self interest
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Speaker 2: at play, that's for sure. And here's another thing too
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Speaker 2: about the Teals. They have been bought into being solely
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Speaker 2: to keep the Liberal Party out of office until it
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Speaker 2: panders to the financial interests of the renewable sectors billion
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Speaker 2: down backers. This is why the Teals and many of
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Speaker 2: the moderate Liberals want to see off any talk of
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Speaker 2: nuclear power. They want it killed off as the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party goes through its convulsions, because nuclear power completely up
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Speaker 2: ends the business model of renewable energy. It all started
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Speaker 2: with Malcolm Turnbull conspiring to remove the Liberal Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott, who was most opposed to renewable industry rent seeking,
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Speaker 2: moving to acts the tax sign Abbot's death warrant with
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Speaker 2: moderates in his party room. Then, after Scott Morrison replaced
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Speaker 2: Turnbull and watered down the coalition and support for renewables,
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Speaker 2: the Tials emerged to keep what they called a climate
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Speaker 2: denying Liberal Party permanently in opposition. As Chris Jelman very
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Speaker 2: shrewdly said here on Monday Night, the Teals were established
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Speaker 2: to do to the Liberals what the DLP once did
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Speaker 2: to Labor, to keep them out of office forever unless
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Speaker 2: they fundamentally change and move to the left. Think of
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Speaker 2: them as the DLP.
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Speaker 4: It's not like the Greens to the Labor Party. Those
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Speaker 4: preferences flow back. What the Teals do are They're a
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Speaker 4: political party that have been set up precisely to stop
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Speaker 4: the Liberal Party from ever regaining power again, and they're
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Speaker 4: doing that very effectively, very very shrewd.
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Speaker 2: Now it's significant that a big donor to the Teals
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Speaker 2: is Turnbull's son, Alex has given twenty five thousand to
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Speaker 2: spend a campaign in Wentworth not once but twice, and
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Speaker 2: no one is more determined to style in the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party than the man the party finally rejected after giving
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Speaker 2: in the leadership, not once but twice. Now see them
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Speaker 2: for what they are, amongst other things. The Teals are
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Speaker 2: partly termbules revenge, and the sooner they're all gone, the better.
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Speaker 2: But that's the Leaves and all those running around today
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Speaker 2: talking about some sort of existential crisis. Now, sure it's
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Speaker 2: been a bad loss, the politics hasn't changed. The way
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Speaker 2: to be a successful opposition is to be a clear
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Speaker 2: alternative to a bad government, not a week echo, not
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Speaker 2: labor light. That's why the panic merchants should calm down.
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Speaker 2: Like Senator Maria Kavachek, who today calls for the Leaves
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Speaker 2: to drop their pro nuclear position.
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Speaker 5: This is a policy that went to an election. The
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Speaker 5: election result was devastating. So the message from the community
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Speaker 5: is very very clear, and that's why I believe that
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Speaker 5: this nuclear policy has to go.
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Speaker 2: Now she's a factional operative. It was parachuted into the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Party presidency for all of five minutes,
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Speaker 2: and now she's been shoehorned into the Senate. Well, she's
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Speaker 2: been there about ten minutes. Presumably her announcement was carefully
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Speaker 2: timed to coincide with ads running here on Sky News
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Speaker 2: from something called Liberals Against Nuclear. Their website features anti
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Speaker 2: nuclear quotes from Waite for It liberal term cakes Matt
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Speaker 2: Kean and Malcolm Turnbull.
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Speaker 6: Matt Kean, forming New South Wales Liberal Treasurer and Energy minister,
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Speaker 6: said nuclear is a distraction that doesn't stack up at
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Speaker 6: the moment on practically Crown.
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Speaker 5: They need to cut the cost of living.
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Speaker 6: He found the fields we need to go up by
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Speaker 6: six hundred and sixty five dollars. Who vote for a
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Speaker 6: six hundred and sixty five dollar electricity bill.
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Speaker 5: Increase stupid size presumable.
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Speaker 7: They need to crank your policy poison huh, carnal.
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Speaker 2: Policy authorized by people teth the Liberals against Nuclear rezuil.
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Speaker 2: And they've updated those ads and they're now running them
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Speaker 2: to put pressure on the Liberal moderates to dump nuclear
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Speaker 2: now that they have lost the election. This looks like
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Speaker 2: a rerun to me of something called Liberals for Forests
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Speaker 2: but connived to defeat general Liberal candidates in WA a
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Speaker 2: few years back. It's like another outfit too, called the
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Speaker 2: north Shore Environmental Stewards. Now this was a Michael Photius
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Speaker 2: linked body, a body that tried to inject activists into
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party to unseat Tony Abbott prior to the
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen election. See these entities for what they are.
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Speaker 2: They are dummy groups set up to either defeat the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party or forced to force it to stop being
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, doubtless funded by renewable energy lobbyists and
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Speaker 2: those set to make millions and millions from all the
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Speaker 2: tax payer handouts on offer. This is what it's all about.
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Speaker 2: It's always been about the money, never about the environment. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: the Liberal leadership campaign, well that's come into a head.
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Speaker 2: So called moderates a claiming it can't be Angers Taylor
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Speaker 2: because the shadow Treasurer was part of Dutton's inner circle.
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Speaker 2: But hang on, surely the Deputy Leader, Susan Lee was
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Speaker 2: equally part of the inner circle and deserves, like Angus Taylor,
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Speaker 2: her share of responsibility for defeat. Of course, the leadership
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Speaker 2: will be determined by the party room, but given how
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Speaker 2: consequential these decisions are, they really shouldn't be made on
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Speaker 2: any basis rather than who can best hold the government
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Speaker 2: to account, the person who was best able to represent
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Speaker 2: and articulate the party's core equities of sound economic management
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Speaker 2: and strong national security should get the leader's job. Fundamentally,
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Speaker 2: it must be made on merit. Today, re elected Tim
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Speaker 2: Wilson pointedly refused to rule out running for the leadership today.
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Speaker 3: I had aspirations for one thing, and it was to
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Speaker 3: have the great privilege and service to be the member
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Speaker 3: for god Goldstein again. And of course we have lived
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Speaker 3: out that promise.
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Speaker 2: I'll bet y'all be asking him that question again in
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Speaker 2: a moment. But a pointer to the party room. Picking
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Speaker 2: someone because he or she ticks some identity box is
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Speaker 2: not the liberal way. If the Liberal Party dumps the
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Speaker 2: merit principle, it's no longer a liberal party. It might
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Speaker 2: as well put itself into voluntary administration and let a
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Speaker 2: more principled outfit take over. You cannot trash your values
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Speaker 2: or lose perspective after a loss. Remember John Howard's landslide
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Speaker 2: win in two thousand and four. He won the House
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Speaker 2: and also that history making Senate majority. Well, at the
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Speaker 2: next election, his government was thrown out of office and
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Speaker 2: he lost his own seat. A smashing win does not
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Speaker 2: mean the Albanezer government is invincible, but only if there's
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Speaker 2: a strong, consistent and relentless opposition. All right, let's get
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Speaker 2: today's headlines with Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 8: The Greens are in disarray after their leader Adam Bant
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Speaker 8: lost the seat of Melbourne. Sky News chief election analyst
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Speaker 8: Tom Connell declared Labour's Sarah Witty will claim victory. Stephen
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Speaker 8: Bates was ousted from the seat of Brisbane, Max Chandler
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Speaker 8: Maiden lost the nearby seat of Griffith. Labor state factions
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Speaker 8: fighting over ministry positions ahead of the Prime Minister's decision.
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Speaker 8: The composition of the cabinet will be influenced by the
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Speaker 8: states and factions represented within the expanded caucus. There is
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Speaker 8: a looming fight between the Victorian Right and the New
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Speaker 8: South Wales Right. One of the five current cabinet ministers
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Speaker 8: from the New South Wales Right may have to step aside.
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Speaker 8: The Labor Caucus is preparing to meet on Friday. The
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Speaker 8: Liberal Party is tearing itself apart as members prepare to
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Speaker 8: decide their next leader. The fierce contest between Shadow Treasurer
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Speaker 8: Angus Taylor and Deputy Leader Susan Lee is turning nasty.
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Speaker 8: A Liberal source claims the deputy leader is undermining the
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Speaker 8: Shadow treasurer. Recent reports suggested Angus Taylor may drop out
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Speaker 8: of the leadership race after considering his family. His camp
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Speaker 8: has shared with Sky News a list of perceived failures
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Speaker 8: of Susan Lee. They claimed, despite having one of the
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Speaker 8: biggest staff allocations in opposition, she demonstrated a failure to
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Speaker 8: think strategically on policy. The final makeup of the Liberal
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Speaker 8: Party room remained subject to change.
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Speaker 2: All right, still the number of seats tonight where the
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Speaker 2: counting continues. The results are getting closer, though. Let's get
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Speaker 2: our analysis update from Sky News election analyst on Connell Peter.
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Speaker 9: One of the stories of election night was that the
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Speaker 9: Green's leader was in trouble. We didn't know enough about
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Speaker 9: this seat because the AEC initially thought it would be
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Speaker 9: a contest between the Greens and Liberal Party. Instead it
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Speaker 9: has been the Labor Party. Here's what it boils down
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Speaker 9: to on this primary, and we've had seventy percent counted.
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Speaker 2: Adam Bount needs about.
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Speaker 9: A third of the rest the vote from Liberal, Independent,
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Speaker 9: one nation another to be able to stay ahead or
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Speaker 9: level with Wabor. What's happening so far, We'll far from that.
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Speaker 9: He's getting more like twenty five percent of preferences and
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Speaker 9: that trend has continued today.
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Speaker 2: It's lifted a little bit for him.
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Speaker 9: But even if we go conservative and assuming his rate
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Speaker 9: of preferences improves, this lead of seventeen hundred votes at
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Speaker 9: the moment for the Labor Party will go up beyond
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Speaker 9: three thousand. Now in the remaining vote to come in
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Speaker 9: that we don't know about absent vote. Perhaps there's an
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Speaker 9: improvement for the Greens. There's no guarantee, but they'd need
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Speaker 9: sixty three percent plus and that won't happen. That's simply
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Speaker 9: too high. So the Greens will lose the seat of
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Speaker 9: Melbourne as we go to the Parliament. Remember they started
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Speaker 9: with four lower House seats initially the Greens at this
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Speaker 9: stage they're on zero.
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Speaker 2: It is still likely.
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Speaker 9: Highly luckily they get Ryan. I think they end up
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Speaker 9: in the final two there and win it, and they
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Speaker 9: would do so with Labor preferences. But it's going to
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Speaker 9: be close.
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Speaker 2: So they'll be nervously watching on there.
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Speaker 9: There are two other seats when it comes to Labor
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Speaker 9: Till contests, a Liberal Tiller contests.
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Speaker 2: So I should say, which are going to be very tight.
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Speaker 9: Going straight to the simple contest here, as we see
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Speaker 9: Liberal Party Gieselle capturing moving ahead here, but only by
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Speaker 9: two hundred votes. There's very little postal vote. This is
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Speaker 9: basically the lead she needs to defend from absent votes.
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Speaker 9: There's no guarantee they trend towards Nicolette Buller, but we
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Speaker 9: need to see a batch of them to see which
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Speaker 9: way they're going.
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Speaker 2: Then we might have an idea in that seat.
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Speaker 9: So that's one to watch. The other one, of course
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Speaker 9: is Couyong and that is a similar situation, but for
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Speaker 9: now we do see still Monique ran in the lead.
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Speaker 9: So here a little bit different, Manique Grin in the
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Speaker 9: lead by four hundred. The difference here is there are
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Speaker 9: still postal votes left. They're going to put Amelia Hamer
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Speaker 9: in the lead. The question is by how much, Because
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Speaker 9: they've been dropping off, as they often do. They were
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Speaker 9: initially running it more like sixty four percent. They've dropped
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Speaker 9: to the high fifties. So the overall rate at sixty one,
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Speaker 9: that means Amelia Hamer's lead might be three four hundred.
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Speaker 9: If she gets a pick up in the rate, maybe
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Speaker 9: there'll be more. So from that that's her lead to defend.
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Speaker 9: And again most absent votes, which will likely benefit Manique Grime,
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Speaker 9: but there are no guarantees this steep into account.
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Speaker 2: All right, dust is starting to settle from Saturday, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: But the leadership batle inside the Liberal Party, well, it's
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Speaker 2: starting to get fierce now this stage. Reports are that
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee is the front runner. Now it's Lee as
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Speaker 2: in key people came that role all the time. Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee the front runner. However, privately Liberal MP's is starting
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Speaker 2: to point to her record and her share of responsibility
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Speaker 2: as Dalton's deputy for the loss. Joining me now to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more. Senior reporter Karena Marcus and journalist
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Speaker 2: at Data Telegraph James Willis Well, James, Susan and Angus.
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Speaker 2: They're both in contention finger pointing yes at Angus, the
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Speaker 2: shadow treasurer, but also a lot of people saying to
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Speaker 2: me today that Susan Lee also must take responsibilities. She was,
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Speaker 2: after all, the deputy leader. So where to from here?
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, in my view, Susan Lee went missing, and
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Speaker 10: I'm sure she was campaigning, but in terms of the
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Speaker 10: media cut through and the impact that she has and
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Speaker 10: the response that she gets from the public and from
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Speaker 10: the media audience is not up to scratch. I don't
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Speaker 10: think she has enough cut through. I personally think if
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Speaker 10: you were looking at the Liberals that were campaigning Michaulia,
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Speaker 10: Cash and even Jane Hume get a lot more cut through.
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Speaker 10: They seem to do a lot more interviews. I'm sure
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Speaker 10: Susan would push back on that, but I just don't
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Speaker 10: think I'm convinced that she is leadership material. I know
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Speaker 10: she's a very good local MP, she was a minister
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Speaker 10: in former coalition governments. But for mine, I'd be looking
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Speaker 10: at a different direction. And look, I don't think Angus Taylor. Look,
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Speaker 10: I think Angus Taylor made a fair few mistakes and
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Speaker 10: one of the main criticisms and this may not just
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Speaker 10: be on him, but it could be on the overall campaign,
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Speaker 10: was that a lot of the economic policies were rolled
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Speaker 10: out far too late. But the wider issue Peter in
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Speaker 10: my view, and not just at federal level but at
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Speaker 10: state level, where the Liberal Party is in opposition by
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Speaker 10: a long way, is the infection and the act of
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Speaker 10: the moderate branch. And in my view, moderates cannot win
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Speaker 10: a government over and the more the party pushes to
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Speaker 10: the left, the far away they are from ever forming
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Speaker 10: a government in Australia again.
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Speaker 2: And that's certainly what's happened at state level with the
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Speaker 2: state liberal oppositions, and some of them, like Victoria, have
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Speaker 2: been in opposition for almost twenty five years, but for
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Speaker 2: one term in parliament. Let's go to Susan Lee though Carolina,
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Speaker 2: and all these demands are calls that are coming that
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Speaker 2: the party must choose two women, not just a female leader,
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Speaker 2: but a female leader and a female deputy. Some are
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Speaker 2: saying that if they don't, they are quote morons. This
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Speaker 2: is not a debate about gender. That's a smoke screen
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Speaker 2: in my view. This is a factional fight between the
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Speaker 2: left and the right, really, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: Well, you can't put aside the fact that Susan Lee
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Speaker 11: is a moderate and Angus Taylor is a senior conservative.
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Speaker 11: I mean, so obviously there's going to be a fight
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Speaker 11: between those two factions as to who those groups can
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Speaker 11: gain into the position of leader.
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Speaker 2: I mean.
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Speaker 11: People who are backing Susan Lee says say that Angus Taylor, well,
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Speaker 11: he's tarnished by how close he was to Peter Duddon,
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Speaker 11: that he couldn't prosecute the party's economic agenda well enough
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Speaker 11: to win help them win the election, and Susan Lee's
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Speaker 11: Susan Lee's detractors say, well, she didn't put forward a
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Speaker 11: policy enough policy in her portfolio despite having the larger
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Speaker 11: stuff allocation out of anyone in the opposition, and that
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Speaker 11: she was secretly and behind the scenes backgrounding against Peter
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Speaker 11: Dunnon and undermining him. So you've got these competing arguments
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Speaker 11: for both. But what I really reject, like you, Peter,
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Speaker 11: is this idea that in order for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 11: to win back voters they need to somehow get down
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Speaker 11: just put more women in leadershi rolls. I would love
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Speaker 11: to see more women there, but not because they are women,
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Speaker 11: but because they deserve the spot. I'm not saying that
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Speaker 11: Susan Lee doesn't deserve to be leader, but it shouldn't
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Speaker 11: be because she's a woman. It should be because I
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Speaker 11: agree you know what she's achieved. So I really hate
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Speaker 11: that reductive, demeaning argument for female voters.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent degree. Of course a Labour picked up
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Speaker 2: a lot of the female vote, but they have a
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Speaker 2: male leader and a male deputy leader. So just putting
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Speaker 2: a woman in there is no guarantee of success. If
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Speaker 2: your policies aren't right and all the other things I've
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Speaker 2: talked about. Let's go though to the factional rumblings inside
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Speaker 2: labor if we can. Richard Miles, of course, he's the
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Speaker 2: leader of the Victorian right faction. He is opposing a
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Speaker 2: move to strip the Victorians of a spot in cabinet.
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Speaker 2: They say they are owed a spot with the departure
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Speaker 2: of Bill Shorten. They think that the reduction in the
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Speaker 2: rights numbers should come out of New South Wales. But
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Speaker 2: of course that puts a whole lot of people, including
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Speaker 2: even Chris Bowen, Tiny Burk's there as well, puts them
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Speaker 2: in the hot seat.
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Speaker 10: What do you think here, James, Well, I think the
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Speaker 10: five I mean to be honest, Of those five, the
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Speaker 10: easiest solution here would be to allow Chris Bowen to
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Speaker 10: step back and take this larger role as part of
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Speaker 10: the global UN climate movement, which is apparently not a
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Speaker 10: full time job and doesn't necessarily mean that he has
20:29
Speaker 10: to step back, but it's certainly a lot of work,
20:32
Speaker 10: and based on the details that I've seen with Australia
20:35
Speaker 10: determined to take a stance here on the global stage
20:38
Speaker 10: and host these major events, there could be an argument
20:41
Speaker 10: for Chris Bowen to step back from his portfolio. I mean,
20:44
Speaker 10: I think of all the labor ministers, he is the
20:47
Speaker 10: one that does the party the most damage. I think
20:49
Speaker 10: he's extremely unpopular with the media. I think he comes
20:53
Speaker 10: across as very smug. So if he wants to take
20:55
Speaker 10: this new role, the Prime Minister would be ideal to
20:58
Speaker 10: pat him on the back and move him on. It
21:00
Speaker 10: would be hard, certainly to see him, you know, demoting
21:03
Speaker 10: Tony Burke or Ed Husick or Jason Clare or even
21:06
Speaker 10: Michelle Rowland. And they need Michelle in terms of they're
21:09
Speaker 10: desperate apparently to have that female in the cabinet. So look,
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Speaker 10: maybe it's a win win here, and Chris Bowen takes
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Speaker 10: the global role steps back and we don't have to
21:18
Speaker 10: put up with him every day talking about net zero
21:20
Speaker 10: and wind farms and electric vehicles and everything else.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just like the UN on occasion, but I
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Speaker 2: don't know that I dis like them that much that
21:29
Speaker 2: I've said Chris Bowen ay way, But anyway, what about
21:31
Speaker 2: Tanya Plevsk She looks like she will be punished. She
21:35
Speaker 2: was once a leadership rival. Of course Caroline two the PM,
21:38
Speaker 2: and the talk is that she's going to move out
21:40
Speaker 2: of the environment portfolio should be shunted off to the ndis.
21:43
Speaker 2: Of course, that's where they sent Bill Shorten to bury
21:47
Speaker 2: him politically. Is that the plan for tenure?
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Speaker 11: Well, look, Alberaniezy was asked about this. He dismissed that
21:53
Speaker 11: plan as nonsense.
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Speaker 2: But who knows.
21:56
Speaker 11: His word isn't good for much, as we've found out lately.
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Speaker 11: But look, I wouldn't be surprised at all if next week,
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Speaker 11: when they make the cabinet announcements, apparently that she is
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Speaker 11: demoted to some lesser portfolio. I mean, the frosty relationship
22:12
Speaker 11: between Tania Plebasik and Anthony Alberanzi has got to be
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Speaker 11: the worst cap secret in Canberra. We all saw when
22:19
Speaker 11: she leant in for that hug from Anthony Alberanzi and
22:23
Speaker 11: he gave her this very awkward handhold in return. It
22:28
Speaker 11: was really a very public rebuff there, and then she
22:32
Speaker 11: tried to cover up for him by saying we should
22:35
Speaker 11: all be doing these silly COVID elbow taps instead. Ridiculous.
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Speaker 11: She was also conspicuously missing from key environment announcements made
22:47
Speaker 11: during the election. Alberanzi would be there, but despite it
22:50
Speaker 11: being something that was in her portfolio, she was missing
22:53
Speaker 11: and I think those things are very telling indeed, But
22:56
Speaker 11: we won't have to wait long. There's going to be
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Speaker 11: a coocass meat on Friday, and then an announcement about
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Speaker 11: the portfolios as early as next week.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go. I put up a picture
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Speaker 2: a little bit before there from the seat of Warner
23:12
Speaker 2: and this is the one that Dan Teen retained in
23:14
Speaker 2: Western Victoria, James. It shows there that this is a
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Speaker 2: dispatch label on a box of pamphlets for legalized cannabis
23:24
Speaker 2: for the party paid for by Climate two hundred, and
23:28
Speaker 2: we know the interplay with donors there. We also know
23:31
Speaker 2: that the key donor for Climate two hundred has bought
23:33
Speaker 2: himself a cannabis farm in Tasmania. This is all getting
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Speaker 2: murky and murky with the money that's moving around, and
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Speaker 2: particularly i'd say in relation to the Cannabis Party two
23:45
Speaker 2: they were a preference harvester in many of these tight
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Speaker 2: till races.
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Speaker 10: That's a concern, that's right, and if every vote counts
23:55
Speaker 10: and if you can harvest preferences that way, and Climate
23:59
Speaker 10: two hundred keeping in the last couple of weeks before
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Speaker 10: the vote via direct emails from founder Simon Holmes at
24:05
Speaker 10: court was saying things are getting desperate. We really really
24:08
Speaker 10: need your help to keep our MPs in their seats.
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Speaker 10: And we learned from the last election, Peter, that a
24:14
Speaker 10: lot of the donations from Climate two hundred went to
24:17
Speaker 10: a comedian. There was money transferred to the company that
24:22
Speaker 10: sold the binstickers that was giving out for Scott Morrison.
24:24
Speaker 10: And so if they're assisting the legalized cannabis party, well
24:28
Speaker 10: we need to figure out how much money's involved here.
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Speaker 10: The problem is we won't know for twenty weeks after
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Speaker 10: the election campaign. But certainly, as you say, the wider
24:35
Speaker 10: issue here is that it is without question that some
24:38
Speaker 10: of the largest donors to Climate two hundred and their
24:42
Speaker 10: MPs are the people that are making a lot of
24:44
Speaker 10: money in the renewable energy game, which is now a
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Speaker 10: blank check and will continue in this term of government.
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Speaker 2: Right, we will keep pursuing all of that. Thank you both. Now,
24:55
Speaker 2: if ever, there was a case of putting the car
24:56
Speaker 2: before the horse had happened on Saturday night, Zoey Daniel
24:59
Speaker 2: premature claiming the seat of Goldstein. However, despite leading by
25:04
Speaker 2: just around two thousand votes on Sunday morning, there then
25:07
Speaker 2: was a massive surge in postals that have put Tim
25:09
Speaker 2: Wilson in front. All the major media outlets, including our
25:12
Speaker 2: Sky News analyst Tom Connell, have called it now for
25:15
Speaker 2: Tim Wilson, and I'm pleased to say the returning Liberal
25:17
Speaker 2: MP joins me right now here on the desk. Well, congratulations,
25:21
Speaker 2: thanks Peter.
25:22
Speaker 3: It's great privilege.
25:23
Speaker 2: It's a huge win. When you think that you took
25:27
Speaker 2: on an incumbent. Incumbents are not easy to beat. You
25:30
Speaker 2: were an incumbent. You were beaten, though, but you were
25:32
Speaker 2: up against the might of the Teal movement, the money
25:35
Speaker 2: of the Teal movement. People said you couldn't know it,
25:38
Speaker 2: How did you do it?
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Speaker 3: Well, we need to face reality, which is we had
25:42
Speaker 3: a negative redistribution against us. We had Climate two hundred
25:45
Speaker 3: for the most money in any seat in the state
25:48
Speaker 3: as well or the country, I should say, as well
25:50
Speaker 3: as of course the state widewing. Fundamentally, we went back
25:53
Speaker 3: to grassroots. We engaged directly with the community, We listened,
25:57
Speaker 3: We built out a grassroots movement as a foundation for
25:59
Speaker 3: our success. We brought together thousands of people. But more importantly,
26:03
Speaker 3: rather than in defeat turning on each other, we looked
26:07
Speaker 3: to each other for mutual support and there was no egos.
26:10
Speaker 3: There was only one focus, which is the stakes of
26:13
Speaker 3: what is required to win this seat back, and we
26:16
Speaker 3: did it together as a team.
26:18
Speaker 2: I think what was telling too when Liberos don't always
26:20
Speaker 2: get this right is they pre selected early. You got
26:23
Speaker 2: the nod from the party early and you hit the
26:26
Speaker 2: ground running for a considerable period of time.
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Speaker 3: Well, we actually started the campaign well about twelve months
26:31
Speaker 3: before even the pre selection. We started with fundraising, we
26:34
Speaker 3: built out the campaign infrastructure. The pre selection actually followed
26:37
Speaker 3: a lot of the hard work that we had already done.
26:40
Speaker 3: But it was because we came together and we focused
26:42
Speaker 3: on the core purpose together that we achieved the result
26:45
Speaker 3: that we did, and we're immensely proud. But the other
26:46
Speaker 3: thing we did we didn't hide. We were courageous in
26:49
Speaker 3: standing up for what we believed in. While we were
26:52
Speaker 3: trying to take the community and the country where there
26:54
Speaker 3: are a lot of conversations a lot of people hid.
26:56
Speaker 3: We stood up firmly, particularly on things like energy, about
27:00
Speaker 3: the importance of the role of reindustrializing Australia and continuing
27:03
Speaker 3: the conversation without any sense of timidity. We were bold,
27:07
Speaker 3: we were confident, and we stood up and people really
27:10
Speaker 3: resonated with it.
27:11
Speaker 12: Yeah.
27:11
Speaker 2: John Roskeimer, i used to work with, said last night,
27:13
Speaker 2: you didn't lurch to the left. People think that's how
27:15
Speaker 2: you win these to your seats. You're stood on their
27:17
Speaker 2: party values. I think that's a strong endorsement from John.
27:20
Speaker 3: It is a strong endorsement, but it's a reminder that
27:24
Speaker 3: you can't hide in politics. You've got to stand up
27:27
Speaker 3: and put a value proposition. There were people who walked
27:30
Speaker 3: up to the booths and said to me, I'll vote
27:31
Speaker 3: for you if you trash nuclear and I said, well,
27:34
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm not prepared to do that. I supported
27:36
Speaker 3: it last I was in Parliament. I support it now
27:38
Speaker 3: and I'm going to continue to support it into the future.
27:40
Speaker 2: And there's a reason.
27:41
Speaker 3: Because the foundation of how we're going to reindustrialize our country,
27:44
Speaker 3: how we're going to create the jobs and economic opportunity
27:46
Speaker 3: for your kids and grandkids, how they're going to be
27:48
Speaker 3: able to go and save and be able to buy
27:49
Speaker 3: their own homes. You've got to make the case and
27:52
Speaker 3: you've got to persuade people. But you can't do that
27:54
Speaker 3: when you're hiding, when you're just issuing a press release
27:57
Speaker 3: and thinking that's enough. You've got to stand up. You've
27:59
Speaker 3: got to be confident, and because if you don't believe it,
28:01
Speaker 3: why would anybody else leadership your hand. I'm immensely privileged
28:08
Speaker 3: to have been in the position that I've got to.
28:10
Speaker 3: I've seen my name being bandied around, but I am
28:12
Speaker 3: literally just focused on the task at this hand. I
28:15
Speaker 3: haven't spoken to most colleagues at this point, but obviously
28:18
Speaker 3: I'm having a conversation with lots of people about where
28:20
Speaker 3: I fit within the parliamentary party. But I want to
28:23
Speaker 3: make this clear. I didn't go back into Parliament just
28:26
Speaker 3: to sit around. I got elected because I believe that
28:30
Speaker 3: this country has a bold, ambitious liberal future ahead of it.
28:33
Speaker 3: But we must make the case, and we must be
28:35
Speaker 3: unapologetic in making that case.
28:38
Speaker 2: So but not ruling that out. I read that as
28:40
Speaker 2: you have an open mind.
28:42
Speaker 3: Well, as I said, I'm making it very clear that I.
28:44
Speaker 2: Can't bullship me. You know, no, I can't try to
28:47
Speaker 2: have an open mind.
28:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got an open mind about these things, but
28:50
Speaker 3: the reality is I am very much focused on how
28:53
Speaker 3: I can play part of a role as a team
28:55
Speaker 3: because what I want is a bold, confident liberal party.
28:59
Speaker 2: The project. It's an alternative.
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Speaker 3: Liberal vision for this country that builds out the policy
29:04
Speaker 3: stepping stones to get there, and that's what I'm looking
29:07
Speaker 3: from all of the leadership candiates who are putting themselves forward.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is the last question? I mean,
29:12
Speaker 2: given your success and how you did it, do you
29:14
Speaker 2: think if that was rolled out more broadly we would
29:17
Speaker 2: see peak peak teal.
29:20
Speaker 3: My hope is that we well and truly past peak
29:22
Speaker 3: till but we're not going to get there by just
29:24
Speaker 3: doing business as usual.
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Speaker 2: We need to.
29:27
Speaker 3: Learn from the lessons of Goldstein. They'll be lessons Fromkujong
29:29
Speaker 3: and I hope from Bradfield as well, because my objective
29:32
Speaker 3: isn't to win back Goldsteine. It's to roll back all
29:34
Speaker 3: of the Teals to go back forth into those seats
29:37
Speaker 3: because the heartland of Australian liberalism isn't geographic. It is
29:42
Speaker 3: sitting in the hearts and minds of Australians no matter
29:44
Speaker 3: where they live. It's that spark that we must inflame
29:47
Speaker 3: about their sense of aspiration, of hope and economic opportunity
29:50
Speaker 3: for their future, for themselves, their children, their grandchildren. And
29:53
Speaker 3: if not, if we're not bringing that alive, then we
29:55
Speaker 3: are failing them and we're failing future generations of Australians, prowfully.
29:59
Speaker 2: Said to congratulations. Thank it's a line killer result. All right,
30:03
Speaker 2: after the break, where did it go wrong for the
30:04
Speaker 2: Greens and could we be seeing the end of these
30:07
Speaker 2: hard left activists you heard him there on Pegg Teal.
30:09
Speaker 2: We'll discuss that as well. But also big news about
30:12
Speaker 2: a radical Greens plan in New South Wales has been
30:15
Speaker 2: rallied tonight at the Parliament. I'll get you some exclusive
30:18
Speaker 2: content after the break. Welcome back. Still the come Adam
30:25
Speaker 2: Bant seat has now been called for labor. So what's
30:29
Speaker 2: left for the Greens? But first, in a rally that's
30:31
Speaker 2: just ended on the steps to the New South Wales Parliament,
30:34
Speaker 2: leading advocates, politicians and healthcare workers have come together in
30:38
Speaker 2: city tonight in an emotional and united call and Australians
30:41
Speaker 2: to rally against a hugely controversial bill that's just been
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Speaker 2: tabled in the New South Wales Parliament by the Greens.
30:48
Speaker 2: Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was there and joins me, Now, Tony,
30:52
Speaker 2: we were going to talk about the Liberal Party where
30:54
Speaker 2: to now. I'll get to that in a moment, but
30:56
Speaker 2: this was an abortion law reform bill currently before the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Parliament. Explain exactly what's in the bill
31:05
Speaker 2: and why it's caused such outrage tonight, Peter.
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Speaker 12: It's trying to force health professionals with a conscientious objection
31:16
Speaker 12: to abortion to facilitate, not just to refer, but to
31:20
Speaker 12: actually facilitate people having abortions. Fundamentally, it's designed to force
31:28
Speaker 12: Christian people out of the healthcare system. It's designed to
31:32
Speaker 12: force Catholic and other Christian hospitals, other religious hospitals, out
31:37
Speaker 12: of the healthcare system unless they are to sacrifice their principles.
31:42
Speaker 12: It's really about canceling faith in our public life. If
31:48
Speaker 12: this bill were to go forward, and the Labor Party
31:52
Speaker 12: has agreed to give government time to ram this Greens
31:55
Speaker 12: bill through the New South Wales Parliament, if this bill
31:58
Speaker 12: becomes lawer will be another unhappy milestone in the driving
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Speaker 12: of Christianity into our private places, the banishing of Christianity
32:13
Speaker 12: from our public life. It's a terrible milestone in the
32:17
Speaker 12: decline of our society and it's a fundamental assault on
32:22
Speaker 12: freedom of conscience.
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Speaker 2: There were just a couple of things from me. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we've got a lot of our hospital healthcare services provided
32:29
Speaker 2: by different faiths. Now, not all services like abortion are
32:34
Speaker 2: provided in all hospitals. Hospitals can offer services based on
32:39
Speaker 2: their religion and they do, that will then be something
32:43
Speaker 2: that will be I guess ruled out with this legislation.
32:46
Speaker 2: It could perhaps even send a signal that Catholic or
32:50
Speaker 2: Christian hospitals have to offer euthanasia and that's against their beliefs,
32:54
Speaker 2: of course, But I thought this was something that Chris
32:57
Speaker 2: Mins as Premier said would never happen.
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Speaker 12: There was previously a deal as I understand it, between
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Speaker 12: the New South Wales Labor government and the Greens to
33:09
Speaker 12: bring this on and ram it through the parliament in March.
33:13
Speaker 12: When words seeped out of this, the Labor Party promised
33:17
Speaker 12: people in the lead up to the federal election that
33:20
Speaker 12: it was never going to happen. Now that was a lie.
33:23
Speaker 12: It was another one of Labour's campaign lies. And so
33:28
Speaker 12: what this move now and it's supposed to be going
33:31
Speaker 12: through the parliament, rammed through in government time next week.
33:35
Speaker 12: What this shows is the depth of the alliance between
33:39
Speaker 12: the Greens and the Labor Party. The Greens might be
33:43
Speaker 12: on the verge of expulsion from the lower House of
33:46
Speaker 12: the Federal Parliament thanks to Peter Dutton's principal stand. But
33:50
Speaker 12: they're still alive and well and manipulating the Labor Party
33:54
Speaker 12: in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: And I want to make a point too, in New
33:59
Speaker 2: South Wales that you could have late term abortion right
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Speaker 2: up until your due dates. I think that's why there's
34:05
Speaker 2: so much concern about this movie. It's essentially tony.
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Speaker 12: It's essentially in fantaside, Peter, It's essentially in fantaside late
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Speaker 12: term abortions, particularly where the baby is born alive. It's
34:20
Speaker 12: in fantaside. And this is so wrong, and yet there
34:24
Speaker 12: is this Green Left push basically to promote what amounts
34:29
Speaker 12: to in fantaside. And it's so wrong and it must
34:32
Speaker 12: be fought.
34:35
Speaker 2: I've got to grab you though, before you head U,
34:37
Speaker 2: because I know you've got an overseas flight just quickly.
34:40
Speaker 2: You've been an opposition leader, you've taken the party back
34:42
Speaker 2: into government from opposition. It was a very hard watch
34:47
Speaker 2: for Liberals around the country on Saturday night. So where
34:50
Speaker 2: to now for the party?
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Speaker 12: Well, under no circumstances should the party become Labor Light.
34:59
Speaker 12: It's not a question of being more progressive and more conservative.
35:02
Speaker 12: It's a question of being more strongly liberal, and that
35:06
Speaker 12: means being a strong alternative to a bad government, not
35:11
Speaker 12: a week echo. Politics is a contest of ideas, and
35:16
Speaker 12: particularly over the few months leading into the election, we
35:21
Speaker 12: didn't provide that contest, and as I think I've said
35:24
Speaker 12: before on this show, labor light liberals lose.
35:31
Speaker 2: Tony Abbat, thank you, Thank you for johinning us tonight.
35:33
Speaker 2: Let's go now to my next guest, Greg Sheridan. Greg,
35:37
Speaker 2: thank you. I'll bring you straight in because I want
35:40
Speaker 2: to save some time with a long introduction. We want
35:43
Speaker 2: to talk to you and I first about the Greens,
35:45
Speaker 2: because the Greens look like tonight with the fall of
35:47
Speaker 2: At and banned, if that's confirmed shortly, that they will
35:50
Speaker 2: not have a lower House seat in this parliament. It
35:54
Speaker 2: was a repudiation of the Greens brand across the board.
35:57
Speaker 2: I asked Tim Wilson, have we've seen peaked till he
36:00
Speaker 2: thinks we have? Have we seen peak Green?
36:03
Speaker 7: Greg Sheridan, Yeah, I think probably we have, Peter and
36:08
Speaker 7: it's great to be with you. It's the only good
36:10
Speaker 7: feature out of this whole election, which is very, very
36:13
Speaker 7: bad result for Australia. The whole election ignored all of
36:16
Speaker 7: our serious problems, but eliminating the Greens in the lower
36:21
Speaker 7: House is a tremendous step forward for Australia. It also
36:24
Speaker 7: exposes Labor because if Teals or more moderate Green style
36:29
Speaker 7: candidates run in Labor seats, the Liberals will be able
36:32
Speaker 7: to give them their preferences and Labor will be very vulnerable.
36:36
Speaker 7: It's one of parliamentary near landslide on a tiny, tiny
36:43
Speaker 7: popular vote, very lower vote than Julia Gill. I've gotten
36:46
Speaker 7: twenty ten and the Greens I think have been exterminated
36:50
Speaker 7: in the House of Representatives. I hope that metaphor is
36:53
Speaker 7: not too harsh because they're so extreme. You know, if
36:56
Speaker 7: I was in Germany, I wouldn't vote for the German Greens.
36:58
Speaker 7: But they are a very re no, sensible, sane, moderate
37:02
Speaker 7: party with the love of the environment, which I think
37:06
Speaker 7: leads them into some poor policy. Our Greens are full
37:10
Speaker 7: of hatred. Their policies are full of hatred and nehalism
37:13
Speaker 7: and obsession with Gaza, and hatred of Israel and all
37:17
Speaker 7: these other extravagant ideological hatred's hatred of Australia really and
37:22
Speaker 7: the environment is a very favorable calling card. But the
37:26
Speaker 7: Green's performance has trashed that brand. Now, whether they can
37:31
Speaker 7: recover I don't know, but they will themselves in due
37:34
Speaker 7: course be challenged, I think by other minor parties.
37:39
Speaker 2: Chris, youillman, You're a good student in political history. Chris
37:41
Speaker 2: human may be observation on Monday that the Teals are
37:45
Speaker 2: to the Liberal Party what the DLP was to Labor.
37:48
Speaker 2: Particularly an issue of the Teals, the Teals were created
37:52
Speaker 2: to keep the Liberal Party, they hope, out of power
37:55
Speaker 2: for generations. What do you make of that observation?
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Speaker 7: Chris is a brilliant journalist, and that observation is essentially correct.
38:05
Speaker 7: It deserves some sort of pedantic qualification. The DLP, initially
38:09
Speaker 7: the Democratic Labor Party, emerged from a split in the
38:12
Speaker 7: Labor Party, and all of its vote came from the
38:15
Speaker 7: Labor Party, so one hundred percent of its vote was
38:17
Speaker 7: disillusioned labor moderates who wouldn't vote for the communist influenced
38:21
Speaker 7: Labor Party of the fifties and the sixties. The Teals
38:25
Speaker 7: get most of their vote from former Greens and former
38:28
Speaker 7: Labor voters, but they take a slice of former Liberal votes,
38:32
Speaker 7: and therefore they do to the Liberals what the DLP
38:35
Speaker 7: did to Labor. They transfer some of the core liberal
38:38
Speaker 7: vote to the other side of politics. And of course
38:42
Speaker 7: the DLP didn't win lower House seats. It helped the
38:46
Speaker 7: Liberal Party win seats through its preferences. But the essential
38:49
Speaker 7: idea that the Teals roadblock the Liberals is right. I
38:52
Speaker 7: was fascinated by Tim Wilson's powerful interview with you. The
38:57
Speaker 7: Liberals can win these seats back, not by being merely
39:01
Speaker 7: mouthed imitations of the Labor Party. There's Tim Wilson in
39:05
Speaker 7: favor of lower taxes, nuclear energy, all the rest. He
39:08
Speaker 7: wins a classic Teal seat. So there's no formula for
39:12
Speaker 7: going left to beat the Teals. It's not a left
39:15
Speaker 7: right issue. It's a conviction issue. It's do you really
39:19
Speaker 7: court the voters? Do you get out there and sell
39:22
Speaker 7: yourself to them? And these You know, if they lose
39:25
Speaker 7: Goldstein and Couyong in an election where the Liberals did
39:30
Speaker 7: so poorly overall, that shows how vulnerable the Teals really are.
39:36
Speaker 2: Greg amount of time, but I've got to get a
39:37
Speaker 2: comment from you about that new South Wales parliamentary legislation
39:40
Speaker 2: forced in tonight. It will go to a vote that
39:43
Speaker 2: will force Christian institutions, Catholic church hospitals in particular, to
39:48
Speaker 2: go against their conscience. I know you've written best seller
39:52
Speaker 2: books about God and faith.
39:54
Speaker 7: What do you make of this, well, Peter, I think
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Speaker 7: this legislation is an abomination, fundamental attack on religious freedom
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Speaker 7: and freedom of conscience. It is a wicked, wicked piece
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Speaker 7: of legislation. The Greens, having been defeated in the Lower House,
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Speaker 7: their extremism, having been rejected by the Australian people, will
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Speaker 7: now live on in what is really their natural home,
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Speaker 7: which is the left wing of the Labor Party. This
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Speaker 7: is a wicked, vicious, anti Christian, anti human assault on
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Speaker 7: religious freedom and freedom of conscience, and people of goodwill,
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Speaker 7: whatever their political party, should oppose this bill and it's
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Speaker 7: a serious and very bad term for Australia to take.
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Speaker 2: Grick, sure and thank you. I will be interested to
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Speaker 2: see if the very Catholic Prime Minister that we saw
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Speaker 2: over the election campaign picks up the phone here and
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Speaker 2: rings Chris Mins all right after Breggie Bolden. By their win,
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Speaker 2: the radical left of Labor they want even tougher ambitions targets,
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Speaker 2: and that pushed by some moderates in the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: to dump nuclear power. Coverage is coming up at first
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Speaker 2: of my panel Senior fellow at the Mensies Research Center
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Speaker 2: Nick Cater and the head of the Page Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Jered Holland. Gents, welcome. We've just got some technical issues
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Speaker 2: with niic'll getting up in a moment. But today Labour's
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Speaker 2: environmental wings announced it's pushing the Prime Minister to adopt
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Speaker 2: a seventy percent emission's reduction target with twenty thirty five
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Speaker 2: and they want those nature positive laws passed by the
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Speaker 2: end of the year. Now. We should have had these
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five targets in February, Jerro. They should have
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Speaker 2: been part of the campaign debate. But they're going to
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Speaker 2: push on hard here now.
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Speaker 13: They will. Peter and I think it's really important that
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Speaker 13: your viewers realize what this will entails. And our modeling
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Speaker 13: suggests that this will increase power prices by at least
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Speaker 13: another sixty percent in real terms over the next ten years,
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Speaker 13: so you're not going to see any energy bill relief
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Speaker 13: anytime soon. It's also important to point out that decarbonizing
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Speaker 13: our energy grid, that's only thirty percent of our emissions
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Speaker 13: across our country. You also have to look at agriculture,
41:59
Speaker 13: you have to look at our fuel, you have to
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Speaker 13: look at our manufacturing, our primary and second secondary industries.
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Speaker 13: The net Zero Steering Group estimates this could cost up
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Speaker 13: to seven trillion dollars to try and hit this target.
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Speaker 13: It is unachievable. It is astronomically expensive. And the real
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Speaker 13: question is how much pain is labor and the Greens
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Speaker 13: willing to put us through until finally enough is enough
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Speaker 13: and voters finally take back their country and say we
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Speaker 13: just aren't going to take it anymore. We can't take
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Speaker 13: the lies and we need a reliable, dispatchable and cheaper
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Speaker 13: system for the country.
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Speaker 2: Of course, to do that, Nick, the Liberals have got
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Speaker 2: to keep nuclear on the table. And there's a push
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Speaker 2: from some moderates, not all, some moderates to say that
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Speaker 2: nuclears cause them to lose the election and nuclear has
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Speaker 2: got to go.
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Speaker 1: It's an untenable suggestion that we should remove this. I
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Speaker 1: think when the dust settles and we look at Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton's legacy and he undoubtedly leaves the legacy to the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party, one of the big things you did was
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Speaker 1: to break the nuclear taboo. We have to stick with it.
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Speaker 1: We've done a lot of work on it. We can
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Speaker 1: see how it work for Australia, and to ditch it
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Speaker 1: now when during the election campaign hardly reported here because
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Speaker 1: we were focused on domestic issues, China authorized the building
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Speaker 1: of ten nuclear power stations. They have a massive building
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Speaker 1: program program in place. Now you've got to listen to
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Speaker 1: a country like China which is serious about energy and
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Speaker 1: see what they're doing. Plus, of course the other thing
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Speaker 1: that happened was the Spain and Portugal blacked out. I
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Speaker 1: think anybody who's arguing Peter that we should get rid
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Speaker 1: of nuclear should come up with the alternative, because I
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Speaker 1: can see only one alternative, and that's coal. And if
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Speaker 1: they don't want to go down the coal route, then
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Speaker 1: nuclear is the only way to power Australia.
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Speaker 2: And of course the Chinese need nuclear nick because they've
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Speaker 2: got to build all the wind farms and the solar
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Speaker 2: panels to ship our way, keep their industries growing, you know,
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Speaker 2: improve their budget bottom line, and send us out the
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Speaker 2: back door. Of course, there is dropped from the coalition's agenda.
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Speaker 2: I think the coalition itself is at risk, kid Joe.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the NATS would take that line down
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Speaker 2: at all.
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Speaker 13: Well, the NATS have already made it quite clear that
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Speaker 13: they want to back this in. It was in lots
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Speaker 13: of ways the National Party lead policy in the first place,
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Speaker 13: and Regional Australia overwhelmingly voted for nuclear energy in this country.
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Speaker 13: It's because it's their farmland, it's their national parks, it's
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Speaker 13: their mountain ranges that are being destroyed by these industrial
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Speaker 13: infrastructure and these industrial installations. To put it in perspective,
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Speaker 13: to power one hundred thousand homes, you need over three
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Speaker 13: thousand AFL fields worth of solar panels. And this is
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Speaker 13: assuming that the sun is shining. These aren't going into Banelong,
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Speaker 13: These aren't going into Wentworth, these aren't going into Griffiths.
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Speaker 13: These are going into country people's backyards. And this is
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Speaker 13: why they want an actually realistic and reliable and achievable
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Speaker 13: energy solution to power the country for the next hundred years.
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Speaker 2: Nick, all these calls today and the leaking of Polster information,
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Speaker 2: they were worn supposedly the party strategist. Yes, I think
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Speaker 2: the freshwater strategy mob we've got to go, and I
45:06
Speaker 2: think they're up to it in terms of polling. But
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if you have to be told
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Speaker 2: what you stand for, what your policies should be from
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Speaker 2: a polster, you might as well pack up and go home.
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Speaker 1: I think that's right, Peter. And look, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to comment in too much detail on the campaign. I
45:24
Speaker 1: wasn't part of it. I wasn't in the room, and
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Speaker 1: I know, as you'd know, it's a tremendously high pressure job.
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Speaker 1: But the point is this, if they were relying so
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Speaker 1: much on polling, and you get the sense, don't you,
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Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton was pulling his punches because they thought
45:38
Speaker 1: they wanted to win over this seat and they needed
45:40
Speaker 1: women voters and they were careful about that one. That
45:43
Speaker 1: is not the way to run a campaign. The only
45:46
Speaker 1: way to run a campaign from oppositions, I think, as
45:48
Speaker 1: you pointed out, is to come out like Tony Abbott
45:52
Speaker 1: did as a whirling dervish, going going and just not stopping,
45:56
Speaker 1: or Scott Morrison did in twenty nineteen. Those are the
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Speaker 1: dven ways to win from opposition. Being cautious, being pole driven,
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Speaker 1: being focus group driven. That does not work. And I
46:08
Speaker 1: hope we never tried.
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Speaker 2: Again, and we saw it there. That's how Tim Wilson
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Speaker 2: told me tonight. He won back a seat from the
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Speaker 2: tears gents, I leave it there, thank you. After the
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Speaker 2: break words matter, with Kel Richards joining me as he
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Speaker 2: does every Wednesday, the wonderful Kel Richards. Kel. This one's
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Speaker 2: a special request from my old boss, Tony Abb. He
46:32
Speaker 2: said the other day you need to ask Kel about
46:35
Speaker 2: the phrase over the moon. So I am, where's this
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Speaker 2: one come from?
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Speaker 14: Actually much older than I would have thought. Goes back
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Speaker 14: to seventeen eighteen, and according to the Oxford it comes
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Speaker 14: from the old expression of jumping for joy, and the
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Speaker 14: idea is that the person doing the jumping for joy
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Speaker 14: gets so excited and so carried away they jump right
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Speaker 14: over the moon for joy. In the nineteen seventies it
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Speaker 14: became a really popular expression in British football. When teams
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Speaker 14: won or lost, it was half off two expressions. If
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Speaker 14: they won they were over the moon, if they lost
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Speaker 14: they were sick as a parrot. So it was very
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Speaker 14: big in England at that particular time. And Michael quinnian
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Speaker 14: maid of mine, who's a great linguist runs the World
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Speaker 14: Wide Web, says the Worldwide Words says it probably in
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Speaker 14: the end goes back to hey Diddle, Diddle, in which
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Speaker 14: you will remember it was the car that jumped over
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Speaker 14: the moon.
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Speaker 2: I remember, well, that's where I thought it might have
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Speaker 2: come from. And you're referencing the time there with Abbot
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Speaker 2: probably sort of meshed with the time he was at
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Speaker 2: Oxford to that makes sense, Hey, talk to me about
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Speaker 2: part and pastl John wants to know what's the origin
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Speaker 2: here and the meaning.
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Speaker 14: Okay, the two words are virtually identical in meaning, so
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Speaker 14: it's a tortology. The word parcel came into English in
47:51
Speaker 14: the thirteen hundreds, I think, a long time ago, and
47:54
Speaker 14: it came from an Anglo French source word meaning a
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Speaker 14: package which was part of something. It's related to words
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Speaker 14: like part and particle and so on. So why are
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Speaker 14: two words so similarly meaning packaged together? Is a little couplet.
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Speaker 14: We can blame your lot, Peter, because the lawyers did
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Speaker 14: this to it. There was an ancient legal practice of
48:13
Speaker 14: putting together a couple of very similar sounding words, similar
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Speaker 14: meaning words in order to cover every eventuality. So we
48:20
Speaker 14: got expressions like aid in a bet fit and proper
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Speaker 14: all and sundry without countul and pdurance. Yes, exactly all
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Speaker 14: of those. And this is a legal expression from the
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Speaker 14: sixteen c. Fifteen hundreds.
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Speaker 2: What about fly off the hand or VICKI wants to
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Speaker 2: know about that?
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Speaker 14: One comes from the American Backwoods, recorded eighteen thirty four,
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Speaker 14: and it's about what happens when a loose axe head
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Speaker 14: flies off the axe handle. It is very dangerous. It
48:50
Speaker 14: could cause injuries to people, and it's out of control.
48:53
Speaker 14: So if someone flies off the handle, that's the image.
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Speaker 14: They're very dangerous, they're out of control and they might
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Speaker 14: injure someone.
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Speaker 2: I thought it might have been something to do with
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Speaker 2: fry pans, but I got that one wrong. Hey, what
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Speaker 2: about Scott free? Charlie wants to know the origins of
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Speaker 2: the term scott free, as in, you know, like get
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Speaker 2: off scott free.
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Speaker 14: Well, originally meant free from payment. Now can mean free
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Speaker 14: from anything, but it originally meant free from payment, and
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Speaker 14: it goes back to the days of old English a
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Speaker 14: thousand years ago, and a scott, originally pronounced shot was
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Speaker 14: a payment or a fee or a charge that had
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Speaker 14: to be made.
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Speaker 8: And if the.
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Speaker 14: Charge against you was canceled, then you got off shot
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Speaker 14: free or scott free. That's where it comes from.
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Speaker 2: Next week and I get a lot of questions about this,
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Speaker 2: You know where does the term the liberal you know,
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Speaker 2: where does the Liberal Party's philosophy come from? Liberal versus conservative?
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Speaker 2: You know, Burke versus Meal. Let's do that next week
49:55
Speaker 2: because that might be very telling about I guess understanding
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Speaker 2: that the fork in the row the party's got where
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Speaker 2: it goes from here in terms of rebuilding. Will do that,
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Speaker 2: but I'll leave it now. Kel. That's your homework. I'll
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Speaker 2: see you next week. That's it for me. Andrew's up next.