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THROWBACK THURSDAY! Occult Rejects on Government Cheese · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Throwback Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: So these are.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the oldies but goodies, the classics, and they
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  Speaker 1: are some of the episodes that are probably in the
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  Speaker 1: back of the catalog that you haven't managed to listen
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  Speaker 1: to yet. So, Just a warning, some of my thoughts, feelings,
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  Speaker 1: opinions may have changed since the recordings of these episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't make them any less interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So, as an evolving human being, I may say something
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  Speaker 1: in these episodes that I don't necessarily agree with today.
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  Speaker 2: But, these episodes are the classics.
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  Speaker 1: And I just thought I would do a little something
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  Speaker 1: fun for us. So, welcome and enjoy Throwback Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: This episode we got myself obviously and we got a
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  Speaker 3: couple other rejects with us today and we even got
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  Speaker 3: Bennett joining us from Broadcasting Seeds Uh, today, uh, I'll
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  Speaker 3: let everybody go around and introduce themselves. Um, Lisa, what
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  Speaker 3: is going on?
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  Speaker 4: The mad scientist.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: How are you? I am excited. This, when you sent
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  Speaker 5: me the notification on the title, I was like, this
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  Speaker 5: is going to be a killer episode. Um, can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: No pun intended.
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  Speaker 5: That is.
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  Speaker 6: Awesome.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: Yep. Pun totally intended. So I'm really looking forward. Julia
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  Speaker 5: usually brings the heat. I love when she covers, uh,
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  Speaker 5: especially serial killers or whatever, it's, it's always a fun ride.
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  Speaker 5: So thank you so much for having me on and
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  Speaker 5: inviting me on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, of course.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you can make it. And we got Brooke
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  Speaker 3: joining us as well tonight. What is going on?
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  Speaker 7: Hi, I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects
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  Speaker 7: as well. I'm super excited to get into this topic.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely should be something, something interesting. Just put the name.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 8: Awesome.
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  Speaker 3: And thank you very much for joining us. And we
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  Speaker 3: got Jules from Gray Pilled Podcast. What is going on,
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  Speaker 3: my man?
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  Speaker 9: What's going on, man? What's up, everybody? Jules, the Gray
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  Speaker 9: Pilled Podcast. You probably see me on here a lot.
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  Speaker 9: I'm more into the occult, esoteric realm of things, but
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  Speaker 9: I do love true crime and the parapolitical. So it's
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  Speaker 9: always fun to get in on these conversations. And I
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  Speaker 9: appreciate you inviting me, man. Y'all go find me on Patreon, patreon.com
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  Speaker 9: slash graypilledpodcast.
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  Speaker 6: You get a free sticker pack. And, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome. Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for the other people who may not know who he
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  Speaker 3: is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the
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  Speaker 3: show a few times, he does cover occult stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: he does, like, specific topics. We've had him on for
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  Speaker 3: one of them. I highly suggest they go check out
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  Speaker 3: his channel. If you're into the occult, he does have
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  Speaker 3: stuff that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very
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  Speaker 3: much for joining us, Jules. I appreciate it. And we
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  Speaker 3: got Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on, my man?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so happy you were able to join us today.
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  Speaker 4: How is everybody? How are you? I appreciate you having
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  Speaker 4: me on. Again, Ben Etan from Broadcasting Seeds, BroadcastingSeeds.com. I
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  Speaker 4: pretty much talk about everything in the high strangeness realm from,
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  Speaker 4: and I would include true crime in that too, because
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  Speaker 4: some of that shit gets freaky. So yeah, I appreciate
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  Speaker 4: you having me on and it's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 3: No, of course not. Thank you very much. I was
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  Speaker 3: just on your show recently. I had a blast, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to have you on.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good time for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Hell yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good chat.
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  Speaker 4: Good chat.
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  Speaker 3: And finally, to the guests of the hour, hour and
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  Speaker 3: a half, Julia from Cosmic Beach. What is going on, Julia?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for having me on to present this. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a blast. And obviously, I've covered similar topics like
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  Speaker 2: this before on Occult Rejects as far as program serial
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  Speaker 2: killers and the like. But this one I found on
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  Speaker 2: my own. This one did not come from the Program
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  Speaker 2: to Kill book, but I feel like if David McGowan
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  Speaker 2: would have known about this guy, he would have been
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  Speaker 2: in the book because damn, you know, there is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of connections with this guy to the whole Program
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  Speaker 2: to Kill blueprint. And you'll kind of see that as
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  Speaker 2: the presentation moves along. But so you look at this, Bennett,
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  Speaker 2: First comment of the night, ASMR channel. They want you
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  Speaker 2: to read them bedtime stories.
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  Speaker 6: I've always been told that I should be doing bedtime
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  Speaker 6: stories with Uncle Bennett.
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  Speaker 2: So we have Jules over here. Sounds like fucking Matthew McConaughey.
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  Speaker 2: He should be reading kids' bedtime stories, ghost bedtime stories.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be an interesting, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a really good show. I already have a
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  Speaker 2: feeling already.
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  Speaker 4: It was a dark and stormy night.
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  Speaker 6: That's not the first time I've heard that.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 7: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust
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  Speaker 2: in if you have any questions or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: And or if you I mean, are you guys familiar
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  Speaker 2: with this guy at all? Randy Kraft? Have you heard
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  Speaker 2: about him? Do you know what he did? Anything?
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like legit. I mean, well, part of it is
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  Speaker 4: because I was in the Marines and he killed a
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  Speaker 4: whole bunch of Marines. So. Oh, that's how I know.
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  Speaker 7: Well, when I saw the topic for the show, I
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  Speaker 7: did research thinking we were going to be talking about
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  Speaker 7: the government cheese stores.
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  Speaker 6: So no.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was hoping for too. Even when I
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  Speaker 3: made the thumbnail, I was like, yo, Chad GPD couldn't
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  Speaker 3: throw fucking cheese in the picture.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck? Well, you know, I always get pissed
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  Speaker 2: off because a lot like what's talked about in Programmed
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  Speaker 2: to Kill is how these guys get these super bitchin'
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  Speaker 2: monikers like, Green River Killer, Hillside Strangler, BTK, Mind Torture Kill.
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  Speaker 2: And they go down as like these mega villains in history's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, deadliest crime and all the, they almost get like,
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  Speaker 2: sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or something because
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  Speaker 2: they get these like the Zodiac Killer and shit like that.
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  Speaker 2: So Randy Kraft is actually known by many things. He's
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  Speaker 2: known as the Scorecard Killer and the Southern California Strangler.
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  Speaker 2: But I gave him my own moniker because I think, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: if you have a last name like Kraft and you
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  Speaker 2: are in the Army... I think Air Force, actually. He's
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  Speaker 2: in the Air Force. His last name is Kraft. And
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  Speaker 2: he's a piece of human dog shit. And so he
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  Speaker 2: deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because he's a ridiculous person.
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  Speaker 2: And so I named him the government cheese killer.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Because, yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't get to go
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  Speaker 2: down as, like, history's mega villain, in my opinion. He
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't. Like, some of the stuff he did is
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  Speaker 2: so repulsive. It was hard for me to almost get
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  Speaker 2: through the research because it was turning my stomach like
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  Speaker 2: inside out. And I couldn't believe I had never heard
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  Speaker 2: of this guy before. You hear about all of like
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  Speaker 2: the top dogs, like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, the Zodiac,
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  Speaker 2: those are all infamous and everybody knows about them. But
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  Speaker 2: my husband was listening to this podcast the other day
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  Speaker 2: and they were talking about Randy Kraft and like all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff he did. And I was like, who the
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  Speaker 2: fuck is this guy? And then you look at his
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  Speaker 2: crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck is this?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's, it deserves definitely its own episode. But
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  Speaker 2: at the end of this, I'm actually going to show
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  Speaker 2: you how he could have been possibly confused for like
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  Speaker 2: three other guys who were doing the same thing around
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  Speaker 2: the same time. and whether or not they knew about
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  Speaker 2: each other remains a mystery. But it just seems odd
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  Speaker 2: that three serial killers would be in the same area,
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  Speaker 2: perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the
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  Speaker 2: Southern California area, and not know about each other. It
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  Speaker 2: just seems a little bit too much for coincidence, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions
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  Speaker 2: about this guy before we get started?
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  Speaker 7: I just want to say, I like that you gave
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  Speaker 7: him a crappy name to go with it, because that
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  Speaker 7: kind of reminds me of BTK. He wanted to be
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  Speaker 7: called something cool. He wanted that notoriety.
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  Speaker 6: And you're right.
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  Speaker 8: They just don't deserve it. They don't.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Brooke. It's like you don't get to go
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  Speaker 2: down as like buying torture kill did you see that
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  Speaker 2: guy first off his name is fucking dennis his name
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  Speaker 2: is dennis and he looks like one yeah he does
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  Speaker 2: look like a dennis and he wore these fucking huge
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  Speaker 2: ass 80s dad glasses and he like helped out at
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  Speaker 2: his church's youth group or something like that. If you
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  Speaker 2: saw him, if you saw Dennis Rader at Walmart, you'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, for sure he has like a boy scout
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  Speaker 2: camp somewhere that he runs. Like he just looked like
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  Speaker 2: this totally upstanding, like nerd douchebag guy that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is your typical, you know, common eighties dad, but no,
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  Speaker 2: he's buying torture, kill crazy shit.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to.
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  Speaker 5: Say, Julia, isn't it weird that most of these notorious
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  Speaker 5: or infamous killers are from Southern California or Southern California-esque
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  Speaker 5: or they visited Southern California or they have some sort
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  Speaker 5: of association with Southern California?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lisa's hitting it right on the head with that
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  Speaker 2: because if you reprogram to kill, one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that he talks about is how Just in California alone,
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  Speaker 2: like all of these serial killers, Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Randy Kraft.
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  Speaker 6: Richard Ramirez.
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  Speaker 2: Richard Ramirez. I mean, they all come out of California.
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  Speaker 2: And it is even documented that Ted Bundy flew to
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  Speaker 2: California for a considerable period of time when he was
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  Speaker 2: doing something before he went back to Seattle and became
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  Speaker 2: the Ripper that we know of.
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  Speaker 4: He was doing Mormon shit.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he was doing something.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know that.
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  Speaker 2: And he had the complete backing support of his local
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  Speaker 2: Mormon church the first time he got arrested. And they
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  Speaker 2: all made fucking signs for him. And they said, we
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  Speaker 2: love Ted. And they were outside the courthouse rubbing their
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  Speaker 2: fucking nipples. You go, Ted is a good guy. What
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  Speaker 2: are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist murderer.
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  Speaker 2: It just kills me. It kills me. Like, you guys
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to have great intuition and be so close
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  Speaker 2: to the Lord. And you guys got Joseph Smith and
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  Speaker 2: all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,
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  Speaker 2: you know, intuitive. And you got literally a poster saying,
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  Speaker 2: we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered six of
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  Speaker 2: your kids. And you got a sign outside the courthouse saying,
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  Speaker 2: we love Ted. Like, that to me is how crazy
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  Speaker 2: all of this gets.
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  Speaker 5: Because..
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  Speaker 2: These people hide in plain sight and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that it's an accident. I think it's by design. They're
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  Speaker 2: master manipulators. They're highly functioning psychopaths. And I think that
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  Speaker 2: they are chosen because of this to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of these programs. highly functioning psychopaths narcissists manipulative you know
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  Speaker 2: what i mean like you don't get chosen to be
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  Speaker 2: a part of the program to kill academy if you're
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  Speaker 2: just like a normal guy who has a podcast and
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  Speaker 2: works for progressive you know that's you're not gonna get chosen.
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  Speaker 9: And that kind of leads into like you know how
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  Speaker 9: how long were these people prepped before they started to
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  Speaker 9: commit these crimes like were they kidnapped as children, were
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  Speaker 9: they bred into it, you know, and that goes into
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  Speaker 9: SRA and a whole nother, you know, a whole, a
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  Speaker 9: whole nother topic.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jules, think of it like this. They set up
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  Speaker 2: all these gifted and talented programs at schools looking for something. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They set up a lot of programs for, for young kids.
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  Speaker 2: Then they're clearly looking for something. You know, they're, they're,
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  Speaker 2: organizing field trips, like there's a story about Jeffrey Dahmer
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  Speaker 2: going on a school field trip to Washington, and he
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  Speaker 2: makes some kind of anomalous phone call to who we
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  Speaker 2: don't know. And he is able to arrange a private
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  Speaker 2: tour of the White House for him and all of
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  Speaker 2: his student friends in his class. Like, who the fuck
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  Speaker 2: did he call? And how does he know somebody at
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  Speaker 2: the White House where he could call and arrange a
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  Speaker 2: private tour for him in his class?
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  Speaker 9: Nobody's ever asked those questions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows
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  Speaker 2: about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dahmer, oh, he's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: He made a phone call and he got this private
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  Speaker 2: tour at the White House. He's also said to be
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  Speaker 2: a highly functioning psychopath, a narcissist, manipulative. He was in
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  Speaker 2: the Army. I mean, it's like, I think that they
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  Speaker 2: find these kids at a young age and I think
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  Speaker 2: that they're looking for these specific markers. And if you
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  Speaker 2: fit the, you know, whatever it is, if you check
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  Speaker 2: all the boxes, you get to be a part of
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  Speaker 2: something like this. And most of the time, I think
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  Speaker 2: that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or
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  Speaker 2: to not even remember that they've been programmed at all,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like they go out,
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  Speaker 2: they do this stuff, they come back, they don't even
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  Speaker 2: remember doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to
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  Speaker 2: do it. And, you know, a lot of people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: not everything is CIA, not everything is. And that's true,
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  Speaker 2: but there is a blueprint, actually, that you can look for.
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  Speaker 2: Not every serial killer meets that criteria, but the ones
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  Speaker 2: that do... it's too much in common to just be
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  Speaker 2: a coincidence. And this guy is one of them, just
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  Speaker 2: like Ted Bundy Dahmer. They all fit this blueprint.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, this guy, I just want to add, sorry
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  Speaker 3: to interrupt you, but real quick before you get on it.
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  Speaker 3: And I know it's going off a little off topic,
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  Speaker 3: but like you had mentioned somebody, uh, you know, he
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  Speaker 3: got to go to the white house. I mean, even
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  Speaker 3: when Gacy was in prison, he had, uh, I forgot
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  Speaker 3: what you call it, but it's like when you just
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  Speaker 3: have one hole engulfed that you just keep on trying
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  Speaker 3: to get it in. He had one of those installed
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  Speaker 3: in the prison he was in. How the fuck do
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  Speaker 3: you get this done while you're in jail?
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  Speaker 2: He also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell
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  Speaker 2: and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him and
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  Speaker 2: he had like all this stuff. He has a picture
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  Speaker 2: of him and the first lady just chilling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was close to the Carters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He used to run a parade in his town.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So he was a part of the JCs, which like
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  Speaker 2: trained young men to like, yes, he was a part
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  Speaker 2: of the JC. I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: If you look, because Ted Bundy was also involved in politics. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he was a Mormon. He was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as Bennett was saying, he was really involved in his community.
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  Speaker 2: And it made people think like, oh, he couldn't possibly
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  Speaker 2: be doing this stuff because he's such a standup guy.
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  Speaker 2: Look at him, he's great. And it's by design that
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  Speaker 2: these guys just blend right in. Just like BTK, he's
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  Speaker 2: like helping out at his church and he's like, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not an accident that these guys are master
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  Speaker 2: chameleons and they just kind of like, you know, blend
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  Speaker 2: into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft, he was enrolled
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  Speaker 2: in the Reserve Officers Training Corps. And he was also
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  Speaker 2: involved in some kind of campaign rallies for Barry Goldwater
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  Speaker 2: in 1964. And he was also like really involved in
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  Speaker 2: supporting the Vietnam War. And that was like his first
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: taste of like becoming political. And he actually ended up
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  Speaker 2: organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy. And he got
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  Speaker 2: real tight with Robert F. Kennedy and he got like
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  Speaker 2: some kind of letter of recognition or something from Robert F.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy because he was helping him out so much with
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  Speaker 2: his campaign.
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  Speaker 4: So..
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  Speaker 2: Again, if you look for like the subtle clues in
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  Speaker 2: the background, they're always going to be there. Somehow political,
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  Speaker 2: somehow in a gifted and talented program at school, highly
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  Speaker 2: functioning psychopath, narcissist. It's like always hidden somewhere in there.
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  Speaker 2: And if you look hard enough, you'll find it. So
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  Speaker 2: a lot like Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy, Randy Kraft
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  Speaker 2: also seems to be able to elude police officers multiple
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  Speaker 2: times or downright just get away with shit, get arrested
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  Speaker 2: and get almost no bail, a very small bail or
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  Speaker 2: not arrested at all. That has to be another part
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  Speaker 2: of the blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested
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  Speaker 2: How can you keep getting in trouble for the same
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  Speaker 2: bullshit over and over again and nothing ever happened to you? Like,
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  Speaker 2: in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he had victims that
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  Speaker 2: actually got returned back to him by police officers.
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  Speaker 3: That was the craziest one. That story, it's like, how?
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: This guy did, too. Randy Kraft. Police officers brought a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: victim who just said, that guy raped me in the asshole,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me. He
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: was in the hospital. They took him back to Randy
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Kraft's apartment, never filed any charges against him. He didn't
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: even get a night in jail and just skirted on
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. That was his first victim. so again
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: if you look at this stuff it's too much to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: be a coincidence like how does Jeffrey Dahmer and this
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: guy who have so much in common from their past
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: end up getting victims returned to them No jail time.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: They elude police at every stop. I mean..
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Another common thing I've noticed, too, and this could maybe
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: just be, you know, just coincidental, but you will also
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: get a lot of people where it's like, if they
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: would have gone to jail either for the right amount
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of time for the first crime they committed, or things
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that they should have gotten arrested for to begin with,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: all this other shit never would have happened. You know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: like Bundy, Gacy, and this guy. If they would have
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: gotten caught or... Casey would have stayed in jail as
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: long as he would have, supposed to have had. First
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: time he wouldn't have killed all those other motherfuckers.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: And Charles Manson, the same thing happened with him. He
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: was arrested and let go a lot.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: These guys, they're, many of these serial killer guys, right?
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: The folk, they're, they just, what ends up happening is
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: that they, they're nice, clean cut guys, right? And it's
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: all a persona. literally a dual personality right and most
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: of them are highly intelligent and they do this stuff
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: to just cover it up and they end up getting
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: into positions where they wield influence um that's part of
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: the reason they get into politics right i mean they
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: literally you know uh mold themselves into high functioning, organized killers.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Because that's the one thing about Kraft is he's so organized. Well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: all of them, Dahmer, Bundy. So they're able to get
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: away with it for so long. You know, they're polished, intelligent,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: well integrated into society, all that stuff. Respectable, they put
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: that respectable mask on.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And sometimes they even, you know, I feel like they
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: go out of their way to even pick kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: attractive people. Because you do hear about, like, there's one
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that I really want to talk to you guys about
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: in a future episode. His name is Rodney Alcala. He's
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: also known as the Dating Game Killer. And they made
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a movie about him on Netflix. It's called The Woman
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of the Hour, and it talks about his crimes and stuff.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: What they won't tell you in that movie, though, or
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: any Netflix documentary, is this guy is also... definitely fits
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the blueprint for Program to Kill. But he's a good
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: fucking looking guy. He's like a Farrah Fawcett hair-cutted fucking
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: freak strangler. And if you saw the guy, you would
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk about
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy was attractive. Rodney Alcala was like a Native
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: American guy or something like that. He had like real
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: dark hair, you know, tall, dark, and handsome. Ended up
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: fucking raping and murdering 130 women. Like that's, to me,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: it's like they go out of their way to like
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: find attractive, extremely intelligent people. manipulative psychopaths to be a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: part of this, you know? The only one..
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: What you're saying, Julia, what you're saying, Julia, is that
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: them and the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people to.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Run a con. The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that shit.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: They'll send, like, a girl with their tits half out
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: pretty much up into a place to literally.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Just wearing pasties and, like, a.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Handful of pills. And the thing that Karen Chick-fil-A. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: love Chick-fil-A. The thing that I always say, though, is
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the one person I can think of that doesn't fit that...
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: stereotype would be John Wayne Gacy because he was just
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a fat, gross motherfucker. Just a nasty. He just looked
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like he like mopped floors at KFC. Like you'd just
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: see him and be like, gross.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yo, he did. If I remember correctly, no joke. Didn't
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: he actually run KFCs before he started doing it?
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: He did.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: He did. And he requested KFC for his last meal.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: And he wasn't here like the inspiration too for Captain Spaulding.
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: So kind of the same vibe. I'm pretty sure.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: When Rob Zombie was crafting his character that he played
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: on that influence.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I have a question for you.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: He worked as a clown at kids' birthday parties.
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: And Captain Spaulding sells chicken.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: At the creepy gas station.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: What was the question?
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: When you were... when you were talking about how there's
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: several you'll probably get to it but how they were
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: all um some other active serial killers in the area
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: i'm not sure if you watched the show sandman or
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: not i did um but okay so basically there's this
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: convention of serial killers that all come together once a
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: year and they break off into mini groups like depending
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: on if they're like religious killers or um people who
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: poison or go for organs, they.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Like break off.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: When you said that, yeah. And you said they could
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: be working together. My mind went there. And I know
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: in the past on the rejects, you guys have talked
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: about a potentially a serial killer ring in the United States.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: I think that that's incredibly possible that they could have
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: been in some facet aware of what one another was doing.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: 148 serial killers in California, Julia. That's what it was.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like Brooke was saying, actually, Nick, if maybe you were
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: too high at the time, but maybe not, you could
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together. in an
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: episode called Netflix and chill or something like that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Do you remember? And we talked about that serial killer convention.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Cause it was like pedophiles, serial killers, and they all get,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: just go to this one, one convention at a hotel
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and talk and exchange notes and like, you know, trade
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: secrets and shit like that. And they, they put their
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: heads together, but, um, It seems to me..
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: It's called Killacon, by the way.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Killacon.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: No, Killacon.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Killacon?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: It's a joke.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That'd be a good name for it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: I think in the show it was a cereal convention,
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: but like the cereal you eat.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I was going to say, I was sitting
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: here thinking like they had some kind of a cover
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like in a magazine or something.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: One of the people.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Pulls up and they're like, where's the Froot Loops? Like,
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: we don't see any cereal.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Right. That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: watched it. It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Nick pointed out in the show we did together. But
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I do think they're aware of each other. I do
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: think that some serial killers can just be random psychos
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that go nuts and just end up killing people. I'm
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: not going to say all of them are programmed killers,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: but the ones that you find that are almost sensationalized
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: to a degree of... of becoming a celebrity or something
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: like that, or their crimes and their backgrounds are so
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: similar to each other that you're like, what are the odds? Like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they had to have known about each other. They're like
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: killing their victims in the same exact way. They live
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a couple blocks from each other. Like, how does this happen,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Don't they write letters to each other? I know that
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: there have been a couple of people that Nick and
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: I have covered that they were exchanging letters with each other.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: He was exchanging letters with BTK, wasn't he?
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: Oh, shit.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were having conversations.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: They were having conversations. They were exchanging letters.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Admiring each other.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: That that is not uncommon for these convicted... serial killers,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: that they will exchange letters with each other.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Will we cover that?
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Fanboy each other or whatever. Right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Lisa, do you remember when we covered that? I can't
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: remember exactly what it matched, but I saw it taken
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: like BTK and putting certain words through Gematria and like
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: certain things were actually matching like Oyster Bay or like
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: the town, like the area where fucking shit happened. I
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: was like, yo, is there some like weird like cult
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: stuff going.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: On here in the news?
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: And it was BTK's daughter and then the, what was it?
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Not the sunshine killer, but the smiley killer. Not smiley
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: face killer.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Smiley face?
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: I turned up on that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Happy face. Happy face killer. Happy face. Thank you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Happy face killer. His daughter and then BTK's daughter came
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: out and were in support of Rex Herman's family as
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: well as her daughter. And they were very vocal in
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: protecting her and trying to provide some sort of support.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Started up an entire GoFundMe. We kind of did a
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: little bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: She's wanted for that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's a dirtbag. Yeah, a scam artist.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know if she's wanted for that, but she has,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: I think, money crime.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a money crime. And it's not illegal.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: We used Intellis. We had a two-week trial, and we
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: threw her name in there, and that's what came up.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: She's already committed crimes with money. And the only reason
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: we're even getting into that, and we can get back
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: to the topic, but when it comes to true crime...
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: There is something, in my opinion, we saw looking at these,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: it's always the weird ones are the ones that make
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: no sense. sense and seem off the wall that everybody's
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: got GoFundMe is going on. It's a fucking grift. There's
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: something going on. The people who are even involved in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the crimes are possibly even playing games with money. Who
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the fuck knows? But something's up. There's always these weird
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: GoFundMes going on. People raising up $ 50, 000 so I can
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: go watch the Kohlberger trial. What the fuck do you
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: need $ 50, 000 to go watch a trial for?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: I had a question for Julia. Do you think that
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: there is like an A team, B team, or second
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: string of serial killers?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Lisa, think about it like this. not only
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: could these be government programs that are broken up into
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: subsects for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure, essentially like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: gay guys, obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer and then
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you got guys like Rodney Alcala and Ted Bundy, they're
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: not gay, but they murder their victims in a really
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: similar way. I think that they're also mixed up with
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: magic in some way. The ritualism behind the crimes, the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: The neighborhoods, anything.
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: Sorry, have you found any kind of significance to the
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: dates of the certain crimes?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about because I actually think a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: lot of the victims, they'll say like, oh, we found
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: this body at this time and we found this body
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: at this time. But there were so many active serial
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: killers in and around the time Randy Kraft was ripping
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and running through dudes' buttholes during this time. I don't
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: know who killed who. There was too many, it's like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: there's like 80 victims and three serial killers and they
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: obviously this is significant in some way, because they're murdering
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in clusters around the same time, all three of them,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: in the same exact way, like how?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: And they're still finding people, like DNA evidence and shit.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: They're still tying it to, like cold cases to this guy, so.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. So he actually joins the United States Air
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Force and he was stationed at Edwards Air Force Base,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: which is also the same Air Force Base where a
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out of.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Edwards Air Force Base also... So he was supposed to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: be a supervisor of teaching people how to paint test planes.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: That's what he was supposed to, that was his official
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: job title, is supervising the painting of test planes. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: he became an airman first class, but they found out
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that he was gay and they released him on medical grounds,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: quote unquote, which, you know, on surface level, you'd say, oh, well,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that might've been common back in the 60s. to get to,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you know, released on medical grounds for being gay. But
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, they don't let somebody like this just go.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: He's too valuable, obviously. So maybe the cover is, we
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: let him go on the medical grounds, but he just
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: got repurposed in some, you know, unclassified, you know, program
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to kill type academy thing. Because he had a genius IQ.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: found employment for the Aerospace Program. So, I mean, a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: lot of the victims that they say he killed were
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: all around his business trips, traveling around for the Aerospace Program. So,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: What I mean?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, he didn't travel too far outside of the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: sus-as-fuck category as far as employment goes when he started
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: killing all these guys it's like oh you were in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the air force now you're working for the aerospace program
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and every time you have a business trip like six
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: dudes get murdered in the area like is that a
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: coincidence and then they find like pictures and dna evidence
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: later that would link him to the crimes um.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: That's interesting i just want to i wanted to say
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: real quickly i know it's kind of a Between aerospace
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: and NASA, I mean, there's a difference there. But I
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: do find it interesting. Remember how I mentioned it to you?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: And it's something that I probably would like us to
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: cover at some point. I mentioned it to some of
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: us here. At covering it, where I had started noticing,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Lisa's even noticed it, other people have noticed it, that, like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: why is there always somebody in NASA popping up with
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: all these new fucking true crimes? There's always a link
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: to somebody who's in fucking NASA. What's up with that?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: And again, I always say I think NASA is basically
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: like a Nazi magical operation. So if I think that
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: they're handing you shit and portraying it in a different
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: way and people are believing it, why would they not
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: do that with other shit? They're obviously master manipulators with
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the film and shit. They make you believe whatever the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: fuck they throw on the screen.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And it's like I said before, it has to be
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the government program... you know, case closed, that's it. There's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: always like this weird magical aspect to it too, where
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it's like you said, they fake all this moon landing stuff.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: They fake all this space stuff. They lie to us constantly, right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And then there's just this aspect of like serial killers
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and weirdos working for them and shit like that. Like, okay,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: nothing to see here, I guess.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just something I noticed, you know, and I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: just find it weird. All right, sorry I interrupted for
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought Lisa was about to say something.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to interrupt. You know what's interesting, Julie,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: you were talking about, because I was going to ask
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: you what year did all this kind of start to,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: you know, transpire or whatever. What's interesting, I think you
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: said somewhere around the 60s, and, you know, we've covered
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: at length the 60s on this podcast. What's interesting is
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: that you do have a lot of presence of certain
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: ops or certain operations from the government occurring in bathhouses
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: during the 60s, especially in California, especially in these big cities,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: especially in these cities where a lot of tech is happening.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Tech back then was aeronautics or space programs or government
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: programs and stuff like that. So it's interesting that they
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: would have this guy who was sexually active in the community,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: that he would, you know, be potentially... Has anyone looked
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: at the victimology of, like, if his victims were involved
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: in some sort of programs?
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: There were mostly Marines.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: You said that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Sorry. I apologize.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: fuck ton of Marines and other military men, actually. So
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like I was saying before. They find people,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: it's like they mix business with pleasure. This guy's gay.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: He loves murdering assholes. And they got a lot of
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Marines they got to get rid of.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I think what it was is he like really
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: tried to find, well, They were always drunk or on drugs, usually.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Or he drugged them. And that's what I mean.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Even the way they caught him.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Dude, don't even get me started on that. I got
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: a whole fucking thing on how they caught him because damn.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: But it was a Marine.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Lisa, Lisa, that was great. That was great question because
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I did connect that they were mostly like military or
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Marines or something like that.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I think he had a rage issue against like macho
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: guys or more macho guys kind of. And that was
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: like his MO was like, this is who I fucking
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: hate because they've ruined my life or whatever. And I
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: am going to take control and show the power. over
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: these bastards.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely could have been. And I will
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that I was going to bring that up.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe these are actually, that is a good point though, too.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like, we need to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: get rid of private, you know, Smith over there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Here's a list of these guys. Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Randy, we got some butts you can fuck.
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: It does make.
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: You wonder what sort of programs that they were involved in.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Trafficking children, maybe? I don't know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Something, something. Um, because it's like I said, his first
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: victim got returned back to him. No charges were ever filed.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: You know, the kid was like 13. He got raped.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: He got drugs. He got beaten. Nobody cared. Um, so
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: obviously there's something else going on here, but what I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: find interesting and you guys need to, you know, throw
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: your two cents in is the, the type of things
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that he did to his victims go beyond just killing
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a person. Um, it's, it's, You know, and if anybody
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: in the live stream, whatever, if you're sensitive or, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you might just want to piss out now because I'm
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: going to just say all the details, okay? He wouldn't just, like,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: sodomize a guy. He would sodomize a guy, but then
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: he would, like, cut their dick and their ball bag off.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: While they were still alive, he would make sure that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they were still alive for all of it. Sometimes he
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: would take their dick and ball bag and then shove
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it up their ass. Sometimes he would take his car
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: lighter out of his car and burn their nipples off
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and burn their eyeballs out. He would shove dirt I.
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: Was just going to ask, what was he sodomizing them with,
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: like his penis?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, I mean, he did rape them. Sometimes
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: it was just more about the kill because they found
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: that were just in pieces and parts. And it's like
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this goes beyond just like killing a guy to rip
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: somebody's dick and ball bag off, put it in their
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: ass and then like burn their eyeballs out with a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: car cigarette lighter. This goes beyond. This goes beyond just
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: killing someone.
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: Well, it sounds like some of the torture methods that
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: they used back in antiquity or ancient times, so maybe
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: it is some ancient, some dark spirit that is not
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: only taking them over, but being invoked to take them.
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: He's being, whoever it is, is just being groomed to
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: be a vessel for a particular entity.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying, what would
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: possess someone to do that?
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Why do we use that terminology? What would possess someone
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: to do something like that? I don't know, a demon maybe?
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Or something, they've tapped into something, obviously, that there's a
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: dark passenger driving, like they say in Dexter. Because, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the average person is not thinking to do this.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: Some people might say that they have kind of trained
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: these people to switch on, like, to switch on their
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: shadow self, to switch on their dweller, right? To where
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: they can immediately just, you know, change consciousnesses. But it's them,
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: it's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious, right?
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of why they have to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: break you down in the programming is so they can...
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Something else has to get inserted in there.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You know, something else has to take over.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Where was he doing most of his work?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: So the reason they called him the freeway strangler is
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: because they never knew where he was doing this, but
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: he always dumped his body on the side of the freeway.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: So they didn't know if he was killing him in
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: his car, if he was taking him back to his
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: apartment and killing him and then dumping him. But all
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the victims were found either dead in Portland when he
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: was on a business trip, Seattle when he was on
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a business trip, or Southern California, all by the freeway.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: They started to put things together because he finally found
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: his signature, which was after he raped him, murdered him,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: dismembered him, whatever, he would take one of the victim's socks,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: ball it up, and put it in their b-hole, and...
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That was his signature. Every time they found a body
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: with a balled up sock in their b-hole, they started
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: realizing that these victims could be connected. And the only
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: thing that they could think of, of a reason why
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: he would be doing this, is they said, well, the
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: killer must have military background because in the military, they
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: train you to shove socks up dead bodies' b-holes to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: prevent them from purging until you can get to the
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: body or whatever. So what they surmised is that he
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: was taking them, killing them somewhere else, putting the sock
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in the b-hole to prevent purging. until he could dump
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: the body. Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Well, the reason it comes to mind is that it's
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: almost like, was he doing this for someone else? In that,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: were these experiments to see the level of pain and torture,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: and were these methods of potential interrogation to be used
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: later in other operations? In that, yes, it looks like
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: a serial killing. Yes, it looks like somebody is disturbed.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Or was Randy contracted by the government to inflict these
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: types of torture to measure the level of... um whatever
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: depravity yeah and then and then now it's a data
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: point and you can feed it back to the to
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: whomever contracted you as a way of saying yeah they
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: break at this point or if you do this they'll
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: they'll do this or what have you and then the
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: like you said the signature right you'd be like well
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: that was my calling card i did that one the
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: other guy did the other one i did this one Right, right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, it kind of goes hand in what she's saying,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: kind of goes hand in hand with why they called
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: him the scorecard killer. Yeah. Because he's checking boxes in
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: a cryptic.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Very cryptic, yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: And that's how he was able to delineate who was who, too.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Right, because they found in his car when they busted him,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the scorecard with all the victims' names and like a
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: little description of And it's kind of like what you
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: were saying, Lisa, is he taking him somewhere else and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: doing this for God only knows what reason. And then
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: he has to use this b-hole sock because he's got
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: to drive him then somewhere and dump the body. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the problem is, it's like he's supposed to be in
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: charge of. of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: point did shoving a sock in somebody's b-hole come up
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: in the painting of the test planes training? Like I don't,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here, but I
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: would say if you're in charge of painting test planes,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: a sock in somebody's dead b-hole is not gonna come up.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Another thing that I don't understand why They said this
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: is they said, well, the killer obviously has military background
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: because not only is there a sock in the victim's b-hole,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: but he would take tissue paper and he would shove
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it in the nostrils and down the throat, which is
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: another thing I guess they do in the military because
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: fluids come out and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: when did the tissue paper nostril technique come up? in
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the painting of the test planes. Can somebody explain that
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to me? Like, obviously he has further training that we
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: don't fucking know about. Obviously.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, I spent 10 years in the military and
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I never was trained to that shit.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't get trained on the Beatles talk?
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: No, the Beatles insertion talk.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying. So at the end of the day,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, It could have been
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: some Vietnam stuff. I mean, that's when this was happening.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: So it's like maybe that was part of the dream
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: back then, but I've never.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Heard of it. Bennett, I know you're not trying to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: justify that bullshit.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, no, I'm not trying to justify it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, holy shit.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: I mean, I put a sock in my butthole when
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: it's too hot outside.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: It collects the moisture.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Bennett, isn't some of these paints on any of the
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: military planes considered highly classified?
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, not... I mean, even back then, yeah, I
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: guess you had a plane.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: They were extremely classified.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Especially now. But not so much back then. But maybe, maybe.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Especially like in that area, you had the SR-71 Blackbird
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: and the... The other one, the other spy plane, the big,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: it's like something 50. Yeah, whatever. Either way, they had
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: radar reflecting. Yes.
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: And most of that stuff was patented and highly classified.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: And not anybody could handle that type of paint because
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: they would have to pass a clearance in order to
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: handle that type of paint.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Good point. Great point.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Because of extreme class. Like we were the only country
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: that had the patent for a while on some of
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: the reflective paint to evade radar detection, didn't we?
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. Well, we still do.
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, they don't even know. Like the F-22, they
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: have no idea what it's coated with. Zero. Nobody. And
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: we won't sell it to anybody either.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: And it's weightless because every single paint has a certain weight.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: And that's the shit we know about. The shit we
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: don't know about, who even fucking knows? And people have
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: to understand the F-22s. It's almost a 30-year-old plane. In
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: the grand scheme of things. And it's far and beyond
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: anything anyone else has.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: So wouldn't he have clearance then?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, if he's painting, I guess it depends on.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: What kind of painting. me when the fucking b-hole sock
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: comes in yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I've never I've never heard that in my life I'm
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: telling you I'm telling you the god's honest truth never
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: heard that shit in my life where'd she.
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: Go I'm gonna have to do a deep dive and
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: and and to butthole socks yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: I'm right I'm actually writing it down right now Because
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I've never heard of that.
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: Well, I just find it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: Interesting, too, that all of this is happening in the 60s,
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: right around the time that MKUltra is happening, and Charles
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: Manson is running around, getting out of jail, working with
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: the CIA.
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: It's just interesting timing. And she hit the nail on
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: the head with Laurel Canyon.
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: I wrote that down because I was like, I wonder
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: if there's some sort of a connection there.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I was wondering, and I was going
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: to ask you, Lisa, because I know this is something
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: that me and you will have kind of researched but
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: never covered. Do you think it's quite possible that they
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: had to voice the skull stuff then?
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Because I do think that's actually being used now to
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: make serial killers.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: Remember when we covered the whole Esalen thing and we
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: started to look at some of the scientists from UCLA, Harvard, Stanford,
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: and all that. This was popping off late 50s, early 60s.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: And this was the psychological angle. This is the angle
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: that we just know about. We didn't even touch upon
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: any of the physiological, anatomical. We were just looking mainly
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: at the psychological angle of some of these tests. And so, yes,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: it was right around the same time, all of it.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: 60s, late 60s, 70s were wild, especially with psychological stuff.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: The shit that they were doing to folks, shit that
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: they were doing to prisoners um it was unbelievable i
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: i mean like just heinous.
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: And i think to your point lisa they couldn't be
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: testing the capabilities of what's possible yes you know as
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: far as um mind control goes and yeah taking people
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: to their breaking points and what they can invoke Exactly.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: And I don't mean to keep going on this, but remember,
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: we just brought the boys from Germany over and they
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: were doing all kinds of tests on twins, on pain.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Most of what we know about pain response comes from
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: the scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: from the scientists. So who's to say that we're not
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: employing the B team or the A team of program
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: to kill to see what's happening, you know, what can happen?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I think the A team is this group that we're
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: talking about right here that came out of the 60s
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: because it was like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: at Edwards Air Force Base at the same time like
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Frank Zappa's dad and like all these assholes' parents were there.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's too much to be a coincidence. And
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: then Charles Manson, like you were saying, I think the 60s,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: especially like with Randy Kraft and a couple others that
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tie into at the end, that they
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: were part of the A-team, I would say. And then
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: they manufactured, based on their results with the first round,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: future generations of serial killers. So I would say that
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like B-team because he was like
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: in the 80s or 90s, something like that. So he's
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: later on, they've perfected it a little bit more. Now
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: he's like got vats of acid in his apartment and
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: cooking dudes dicks off and like cannibalizing him and feeding
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: them to his neighbors and shit. Like it just becomes
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: more depraved as time goes on. It's like they got
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: to up the echelon to the next you know worst
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: thing they can terrify people with Jules did you have
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: something you wanted to I thought I saw a comment
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: on the side there did you have something you wanted
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: to touch.
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: On no no no no I was just I was
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: apologizing Nick I was laughing for a minute my audience
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: has been making sexual remarks at me.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Do they want to put socks in your b-hole?
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: They want me to put stickers on my nipples. Because
• 53:57
  Speaker 9: I've done it before. It's not happening, guys.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: As long as you don't put a sock in your b-hole.
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they're talking
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: about doing that to each other.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: Like I said, I can't control what these guys say.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: They're insane. Oh, and then here's Joey Pootbags here now.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: So I did want to, I wanted to just give
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: one other example of a time where they found a
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: victim and they basically let him totally off the hook
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: for it. They, he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: He let one of them go and the other one
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: he kept. overnight and the next morning they found this
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: can identify the car. I can identify the guy. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: can tell you all about it. He drugged us. He
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: was weird. He threw me out of the car. He
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: The police brought him in for questioning. He admitted picking
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: him last night, but I dropped him off at home
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what happened to him after that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: And the police were like, well, that's funny because we
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: just found his fucking decapitated head. right nearby where you
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: picked the guy up and um he's like yeah well
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: it wasn't me no further questions no further investigating nothing
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: they just let him walk right out of the police
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: station literally the guy's cousin said this is the guy
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: who picked us up he drugged us he tossed me
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: out of a car he took my cousin now my
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: cousin's decapitated and he has a sock in his b-hole
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: And nothing. They do nothing. Like, it's crazy to me
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: how many times this guy looked police officers in the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: face and just was able to walk right back out
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: of the police station. No consequences. And he went on
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: to murder another, like, 50, 60 guys after that. If
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: they would have busted him on that murder, it could
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: have saved 60 men's lives.
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: Well, that's kind of like Epstein, okay?
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: When he got arrested down in Florida, and he basically
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: got that sweetheart deal where he was running the jail
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: down there for a little while. When pressed about it,
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: the Attorney General of Florida at the time just said
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: it was above his pay grade and that there was
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: nothing that he could do. Because you're right, if he
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: would have, like, take him, for example, would have been
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: busted then and gone to jail for the trafficking charges
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: and the molestation charges.
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: We may not have that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: Giant black ring, you know, black girl ring that we
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: had today. So if he would have gotten the appropriate
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: sentencing then, but I think that there are some high
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: level people allowing these people to walk free.
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, and to me, it's like, how do you
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: justify that the cousin who saw this man was in
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: the car with him said that he hugged us and
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: was in pushed me out of the car while it
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: was going down the highway. And now my cousin's heads
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: decapitated off and he's got a sock in his asshole.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Like how the fuck do you justify and just letting
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: him walk right out? Like no investigating the car even
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: to see if they can find the drugs or the
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: like nothing. You're going to do nothing. Like, that's crazy
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Do you think it's just the cops being lazy
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: or do you think that they were told to maybe
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: stand down?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: when they they said, hey, we're going to, you know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: respond to this, you you know, whatever it was that some,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: some ladies called the police and they said, there's a
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: kid out in the street. He's got blood running down
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: his asshole for, you know, he's got all this stuff.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: Wrong with him.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: The police show up. They say, Hey, we're responding to this,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you know, complaint, whatever about this boy being in the
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: street with blood running out of his asshole. And then
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, As soon as they get to
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there, and they're like, oh, well,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: want any part of. Let's just take him back up
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: to the apartment. They get into the apartment. He's got
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: two dead people in his bedroom that have been filleted
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: open with all their frickin' lungs and everything out and
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: the police officers these are supposed to be highly trained
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: police officers right you gonna tell me they don't smell
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: that with the second he opens his apartment door what
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: did they open the door and go oh this is
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: what fucking gay sex smells like just fucking leave him
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: here and let's go like are you serious there's two
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: dead bodies in the next room and they let this
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: kid sit in there it's too hard He drilled a
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: hole in his brain and put..
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: Acid in it yeah you took my joke i was
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: gonna say.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: They were like, when they walk in the apartment, they
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: were like, this is what dank asshole smells like. Let's
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: just drop this kid off and go. Like, are you serious?
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: As a trained police officer, you didn't suspect anything. You
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: didn't smell anything. You didn't see anything. And you just
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: let this kid who has blood running out of his asshole,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: down his legs, all looped out with no clothes on,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: wandering around in the street. You took him back to
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: the apartment and you left him there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmer.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so bizarre.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: It's too bizarre. So in my opinion, I think that
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: they are told to leave it. Drop it. Get rid
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: of it. Cover it up. Act like you didn't see it.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: Maybe not the cops themselves, but the cops themselves are
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: told to leave it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, their chief.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: So in this particular instance with the guy who had
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Kraft came
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: from the LA District Attorney's Office specifically. So does that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: say anything for you? The orders came down straight from
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: the LA District Attorney's Office to let Randy Kraft go.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: There's just some high-level players in these cases.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah yes yes so he basically goes on ripping and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: running through dudes buttholes for like 10 to 12 years
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: nobody suspects him nobody he never gets caught nothing um
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: until let's see here i have it in my notes
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: when he gets caught I believe it was in the 80s. Bennett,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: do you remember? It was the 80s or it was..
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, for the..
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: When he gets busted.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in... Here, I can give you the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: exact date.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: That's so many buttholes.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: 1983.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: May 14th, 1983.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: Okay, so May 14th, 1983.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: It says at 1.10 a.m.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: He's... driving all erratically all over the place down the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: highway he gets stopped by a police officer and they're
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: like hey you need to get out of the vehicle
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: you're driving like shit and they notice that he's drunk
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: they make him do a like a field sobriety test
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: which he fails because he's fucked up and um you
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: know he's just standing there waiting for the other police
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: officer to inspect the vehicle. Cause one police officer is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: giving him the field sobriety test. The other police officer
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: is checking out the car. They go over to the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: passenger side of the car and they realize that there's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: another man in the vehicle. And you know, he's like
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: trying to get the man to respond, poking him, talking to.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Him, whatever.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: He's not responding. He removes the jacket from the man's lap.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: to uncover that Randy actually wasn't driving erratically because he
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: was drunk. He was driving erratically because he was in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: the middle of sawing this guy's pecker off. And this
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: guy is dead as fuck. And, you know, he's had
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: all the things happen to him. All the Randy Kraft
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: special has happened to this guy. And they still do
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: not arrest him for murder. they arrest him for driving
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: under the influence, even though he has a whole dead
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: guy in his passenger seat with his pecker halfway sawed off.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: He still does not get arrested for murder. He gets
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: arrested for driving under the influence, not for having a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: halfway cut off pecker guy in the passenger seat of
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: his car. Tell me that makes sense. It was only
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: after he was arrested for driving under the influence when
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: they finished the investigation in his car where they found
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: the scorecard book with the names of victims. And they
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: found several photographs that he had taken, much like Jeffrey Dahmer,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: of men posed in different sexual positions who were deceased.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: And they put all the puzzle pieces together. In my opinion,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: this is a case of he cooked his own goose.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: there was too much that was visible for them to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: try to save or salvage this guy. I think like
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: at that point he was busted and they were gonna,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: you know, he was gonna have to pay the piper,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: but he was able to get away with this forever long,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: you know? And it's like, how do you respond to that?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: It's like the police officer stops you and it's like,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: you've been drinking tonight. No, officer, I'm actually just trying
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: to saw this guy's pecker off. How about you? Like,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: what do you how do you at that point? You're fucked.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: You're done. You've you've you have a dead body in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: the car. You can't you know, you can't get out
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: of it. So he did. He did get the death penalty.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: But they were only able to get him on like. Bennett,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: do you remember like team 16? OK, I was going
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: to say a fraction. Of the actual number of victims.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: I think they have him, I think it's 67.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: 67.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Even though there's 61 in his book. So I don't know,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe he started making his book later or something.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and also because there were those three guys involved.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: doing crimes all around the same time that were identical
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: to randy it's like was it did randy kill 67
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: of them maybe just 61 and the other were from
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: the other guy or it's like they had a hard
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: time kind of pinning the shit on him because there
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: was so much confusion around who was actually doing this shit.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: And he still has never admitted to anything he still
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: to this day swears that he's innocent.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I actually want to talk about the two other serial
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: killers who were ripping and running through dudes butt holes
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: could you pull up a picture of this guy? So
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: the listeners can see.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I just, I just want everybody to look into the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: eyes of the government cheese killer before we move on,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: because I'm telling you this, whatever you've imagined in your head,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: he looks just like that he looks like a little
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: fucking pencil dick fucking nasty little motherfucker do you.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Want me to pull it up I got it here we.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Go he looks like a young Mr. Rooney from Ferris
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Bueller's Day.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: Off the mustache he's got in this mugshot is serious.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just wanted everyone to look into the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: eyes of Randy Kraft, the government cheese anus killer, before
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: we move on with the presentation, because look at this guy.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: He has, like, almost those dead shark eyes, though. His
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: eyes just seem really dead.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me, the thing is... He looks kind
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: of spindly almost. And it's like the kind of guys
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: he was abducting, they almost have come to the conclusion
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: that he would have had to have an accomplice because
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of the crime scenes, there were two pairs
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: of footprints where the body was dumped. There have been
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: semen analysis that don't match him. So either somebody else
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: killed him but he has pictures of them, so he
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: was there. So they're thinking that he actually might have
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: had an accomplice for all of this, in which case
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: I would say a lot of people think that the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: son of Sam was multiple assailants. A lot of people
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: think the Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants. So Randy Kraft,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: government chief's anus killer, could have been in cahoots with
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: someone And we may just never know about that because
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: it's all part of the program stuff. You're not supposed
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: to know about that. You're not supposed to know about
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: multiple assailants carrying this shit out. He could have been
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: working with one of the other serial killers who got
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: busted for doing these same crimes in and around the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: same area. It's like the Sandman. They met up. They
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: had a fucking cheeseburger together. And they went and ripped
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: and ran through a couple of dudes' pee holes.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: Pfft.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: And, you know, called it a night. Like, this could
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: be a real club that they're in. But I'll let
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: you guys jump in and say whatever before I move on.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: What's up, anybody got anything on that?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, he looks better than I expected, I guess.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know. After knowing what he's done, it's kind of, yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: that mental image.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: It looks like he, I don't know, I snuff film
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: all over his face.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: I looked up something really quick. It said that his
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: His dad got him a job, obviously.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: So his dad was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: It's always apparent.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I've said that I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad helped
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: him out a lot because his dad was a scientist
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy. And nobody
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who had
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: no car... was able to get a five gallon drum
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: of acid into his apartment, which was on the second floor,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: no elevator, with no help. And where did he get
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: it from? So, I mean, I think that he literally,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: his dad was helping him the entire time. Who taught
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: him about dissolving bones into a big drum of acid
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that? I don't know, maybe a scientist guy?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: His dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout the whole trial.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Every interview, his dad was there. Lisa, you would know.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, if that's what you're into and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: your son's a serial killer, would you not have some
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: aspect of like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it looks like.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: Or, you know, like whenever we talk about the Laurel
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: Canyon kids, their parents were in the military and they
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: were serving the country, doing these songs and influencing culture
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: and what have you, right? Who's to say that these scientists,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: they don't all have to work at a military base.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: They could have had private contracts in their university, the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: respective universities that they worked at. And then they were
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: employing their kids kind of, you know, following in daddy's footsteps,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: just like the Laurel Canyon kids did.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Supposed to happen yeah 100 100 i'm actually going to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: close this window right here because the sun is getting
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: in my eyeball hang on a second.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: Well and i'm really excited to kind of hear more
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: about the other serial killers that could have potentially been
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: helping him because i think even with son of sam
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: i think we give these guys way too much credit
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: for them to be just working alone yes.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: Not to go back to the show, but like Sandman,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: like they were like exchanging business cards, like, hey, let's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: work together. You know, like it was like that whole
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: creepy ass network, you know?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: And then you find out that he was tied into
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: the process church as well.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: And he talks about it, you know, and it's like,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 9: you find out who else is tied to the process.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 9: Church is a huge network and it ties into the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: Temple of Set, of course.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, Michael, a keynote.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: I think so many of us know that the places
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: of power are controlled by some fucked up people, right?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's pretty evident. I think all of us
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: here have seen behind that curtain and this just kind
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: of is one of those things like, I mean, how
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: many times, Julia, did he get, there was multiple reports
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: of him getting pulled over with bodies in the car
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: and them not even searching the car or whatever, because,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: you know, and I'm sorry, but you can only act
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: normal and like, oh, yes, officer. I, you know, so
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: many times. I mean, it was like five or six times.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: And, and, You pull a guy over with a mustache
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: like that, and it smells like dead b-hole in the car,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: and you're telling me, like, nobody ever thought... Just like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment. It's like nobody smelled anything. Nobody saw anything.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, as a police officer, are you not trained to, like,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: use all your five senses to, like, pick up on shit? Like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: is every police officer really just that incompetent? Or is
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: there something going on with this guy?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: So... Just to say this as well, sorry, I don't
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: want to cut anybody off, but I was also a cop.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, were you?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: There's no yes, but don't judge me.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: Too late.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, this is like
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: policing 101.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: And again... Do we give it a pass because it
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: was like the 70s and it was just weird.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: And everything was fucking weird. Dead bodies have smelled the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: same from the beginning. That's what I'm saying, Bennett. It's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: like at some point this guy's car had to be
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: a picture because he used to carry like photographs of
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: the dead people in his car with him.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: So did somebody see a picture?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like in a glove compartment.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: What the fuck?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Nobody saw anything? Nobody like really?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Fuck you, doc.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: Well I think that maybe as far as you know
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: having so many run-ins with police like you said you
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: can only act normal so many times but what if
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: you know you're not going to go to jail you're
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: not going to be arrested you have that confidence that
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: you're going to be let out of course you're going
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: to be calm cool and collected even when you have
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: a decapitated corpse because you know you're going to be
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: out in three hours or 12 hours they're not going to.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Hold you because your buddy's the ADA right your buddy's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: the ADA on shift.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, and that's why I think they were
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, he escaped from prison twice. Twice he escaped
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: from prison. It's like, this guy knows, you know, like
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: there's something up here. So the two other guys that
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: were ripping and running through dudes' buttholes in and around
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the same time as Randy Kraft, the first guy's name
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: He was also known as the freeway killer, just like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Randy Kraft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kearney. And I'm
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: But he's a prolific serial killer out of the 60s
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: as well. Just like Randy Kraft was from Southern California.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: And he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victims'
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: hearts and lungs out. And he's known to have killed
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: at least 28 young men in this way. He raped them,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: and then he would dismember them, disembowel them. And just
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: like Randy Kraft, it's like, how do you tell? And
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: then he would dump them on the side of the freeway.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: How do you tell who's doing what when you got
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: two guys in Southern California who are both gay, ripping
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: and running through young men in various ways, And you
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, okay, what are
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the other similarities? Patrick Kearney was in the Air Force,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: just like Randy Kraft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent and
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: he spent a lot of time stationed at some type
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: of Air Force base in Texas where he became... best
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: friends with Lee Harvey Oswald. I can't make this shit up,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: you guys.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: Of course you did.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: After Patrick Kearney joins the Air Force, he is sent
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: to Dallas, Texas, and he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald, and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: they go to language school together. They become best friends,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: and he said that he drove Lee Harvey Oswald to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: the Mexican border and went to Mexico City with him
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: on top-secret operations, then returned to California to rip and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: run through dudes' buttholes with Randy Kraft, also in the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Air Force, shoving socks up people's b-holes, and it's like, Okay,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: what are some other weird things about Patrick Kearney that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: fit the program To Kill Blueprint? When he returned to
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: California before he started his murder spree, he bought a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to pick up all
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: of his victims just like fucking Ted Bundy. So it's like,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: come on, you guys. Is that just the murder vehicle?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: That's just so random. He's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: He's in the Air Force. He's ripping and running through
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: dudes' buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle, just like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: I mean..
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's just checking all the boxes.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Literally. Literally.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: So..
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: He was also a necrophile, something that Randy Kraft did
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: not do, that Patrick Kearney was involved with. But much
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: like Ted Bundy, he was into necrophilia. And it's kind
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: of like I said at the beginning of this episode,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: you got to understand that there's like this governmental program
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: aspect of it, but there's also a lot of ritualism.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that there's a lot of ritualism in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: the way that they killed their victims. I think there's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of ritualism in necrophilia and a lot of
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: the like taking the hearts out of the victims, you know,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: doing this stuff. It's it's significant to them. And, you know,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: just the fact that he's documented as being friends with
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald. It should bother people, you know, because
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: this guy was getting away with it for a really
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: long time, just like Randy Kraft was. and they couldn't
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: even tell the victims apart they were so similar tell
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: me these two didn't know about each other they had
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: to have and then in 1968 the third guy pops
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: up and his name is William Bonnen and And he
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: was also referred to as the freeway killer. So Randy Kraft,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Patrick Kearney, and William Bonin were all known as the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: freeway killer. They all were raping and torturing and murdering
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: boys in Southern California. And he confessed to 21 murders.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: And he was also specifically in the Air Force around
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: the same time Patrick Kearney and Randy Kraft were. In
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Southern California... perpetrating almost identical crimes as each other and
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: was able to get away with it from 1968 until 1980.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: So, I.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Mean, you guys, it's too much. It's too much. What
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts on this so far?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is almost like too much to be coincidence.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: You know, it's freaking wild.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: I'm surprised I've never heard of them.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, all three of them or.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 9: One, just, just the main guy, but I mean, yeah, all,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: all three of them, um, even looking into serial killers, uh.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: I've never, he's never crossed my path.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: So, well, out of this Southern California area, uh, the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: golden state killer also military, right? Southern California. There was
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: a guy named Lonnie David Franklin Jr., known as the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Grim Sleeper, also military. He started murdering in and around 1985,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Richard Ramirez. Do you guys know about the military connection
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: with Richard Ramirez?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: I didn't.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me tell you what I found. What'd you say, Nick?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: I know I've come across it somehow, but I don't
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: remember what it is.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: So people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having military connections,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: but I found this interesting little article on him. And
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: it says that at the age of 12, Richard Ramirez
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: was taken under the wing of his older cousin named
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: Mike Velez, who was a soldier in the U.S. Army
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: who himself had become a serial killer and a rapist
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: during his service in the Vietnam War. And Valles often
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and shared
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who he
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So in my opinion,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: he has military-esque connections, right? Because his role model, his
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: older cousin, Miguel Mike Valas, was in the U.S. Army
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: during Laurel Canyon, right? Vietnam, shit. Dismembering, disemboweling, and decapitating
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: women's heads off. And this is who Richard Ramirez grew
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: up as his role model. So, to me, that counts.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: That's like a subsect of the Program to Kill Academy.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: That's just weird stuff.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: Julia, if I may?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, go ahead.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: Really quickly, in that you talked about how these three men,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: were they all Air Force?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: Yes, all three.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: So we have the Air Force being created in 1947.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: It is an offshoot of the Navy. It's brand new,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: and they're doing a lot of testing. They're doing a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: lot of experimentation, a lot of the guys of, uh,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: some of Los Alamos, um, the atomic, uh, commission and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: all that other stuff is kind of in this whole
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: realm esque of things. And if you hear about Los Alamos,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: you know, it's not just looking for the splitting of
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: the atom. They were doing all kinds of other stuff
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: as well. Um, and then you have the connection that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: you made with, um, Lee Harvey Oswald. And I think
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: Nick and I kind of flirted with the idea of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: doing a show on this because Lee Harvey Oswald has intense...
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: connections to have never left the military. He was always
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: doing some sort of secret op with the military. He
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: comes from a prominent family. He was also involved in
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: the testing in a medical government contracted facility in New
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: Orleans where they developed a weapon to potentially kill Fidel
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: Castro and in the form of fast-acting cancer vaccine. He
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: is very intimately related with that entire project. It's too
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: far that the girl he was dating at the time
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: who was doing the experiment, they were dating. So he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: was there. So you have the Texas-Louisiana connection. You have
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: the military connection. You have the experimentation. You have going
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: down to Mexico. You have all of that. And then
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: now you have these serial killers who were... in the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: Air Force and you're having the Air Force doing all
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: kinds of testing, I don't know that you need any
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: more connections.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Lisa, 100. I mean, you painted a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke and Bennett
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: and Jules would agree is this is definitely by design.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: This is an experiment. They're figuring shit out, right? It's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: all part of this Laurel Canyon-esque era, right? And I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: think that the music scene and the serial killer scene
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: were projects that they were interested in pursuing during this time.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: They were the training wheels for what was to come.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at how serial killers and how music
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: has changed since then. It's like they just, it gets
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: worse with time. It doesn't get better, you know? I
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: wish the CIA would come back and fix some shit up,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: because I'm so fucking sick of, like, Lady Gaga and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like, bring back, like, the Laurel Canyon
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Jim Morrison shit.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: I love that. We need better psyops.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Because, like, since 89, the amount of serial killers has
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: just gone straight down.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: Oh, God, yeah.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: I would love a renaissance of the CIA.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: Not that they've gone away or anything. I'm just saying
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: that it's way less since 1989. That seems to be
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: the tipping year.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: So here's a question for you. So how many of
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: these serial killers do you think are organic? And like,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: just hypothetically, and how many are by design?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Like if I had to put a percentage on it, like...
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I have in my lifetime, which I'm not
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: old or any shit like that, but I've never met
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: a serial killer. I've never known anyone who has met
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: a serial killer. So it's like, it makes you wonder
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: how many of them there actually are or if the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: numbers are inflated and how many of them are organic.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and have these strange connections, you know?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they all seem to have these strange connections.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: And so it's kind of like, you know, does it
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: just a natural, I mean, psychopaths obviously exist, but to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: go so far as to, you know, do what some
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: of these guys do, it's just.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I want to say like, maybe.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe 10%. I don't know if you guys could agree
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: with me, but maybe 10% are just random psychos that
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: like murdered their mom or.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: Some shit like that. I'd say 10% or less.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: Like Ed Kemper.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 9: Did he have any ties to the military or anything?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Probably. It seems like there is a lot, right, of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: folks tied to the military. Now, the one thing I
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: am going to say about that is that you do
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: have an... an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: And they can go one of two ways. So it's
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: just like... I'm sorry, too, but the way the cops are...
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: Cops are... just their psychological profiles are right on that
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: razor's edge of either, you can either be a cop
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: for good, or you can just be a fucking psychopath,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: a murderer, like the perfect criminal, right? So I'm not
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: saying all cops, I'm saying a lot of them psychologically,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: especially you have those guys in the military, especially guys
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: in special ops, who frankly, a lot of them And
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: we all know who they are that are there for
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: not because they love God and country. They're there because
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: of clout or because they frankly want to kill people.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: Everyone that's been in the military knows one of those guys.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: So it's like, so do those psychopaths just live? And
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: then if they go to war and get broken... by
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: shit that they have to do or whatever, does that
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: just exacerbate things? Who knows? I don't know. I'm just
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: thinking of psychological.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: Bullshit. Trauma is a crazy thing, man.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: Trauma is a crazy thing. And so with that being said, too,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: it also, maybe they do some bad shit and then
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: that opens the door for them to get corrupted by
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: whoever or whatever.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 7: Or..
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: Physical or non-physical entities, right?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, Doc brought it up in the thing. It
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: sounds like terrestrial spirits sometimes. Some of these things, like,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: fuckers do some wicked shit and open some crazy fucking
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: doors and let in some crazy stuff. I mean, because
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: when you get bored in the military, too, they just
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: do dumb shit. It's teenagers doing dumb shit.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I think if you're highly functioning enough... And it's
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: scouted out early enough.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: That they will choose very young men to be, you know,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: used in unspecified capacities, inducted into the military.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: And so many of these people, and again, I'll say it.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: it was brought up in the chat, adults that were
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: bullied as kids flexing now. Like, flexing. Like, oh, we've
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: got the power now. You see that a lot with
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: police officers. You see that a lot with military folk.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: And people in power. And then they just get addicted
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: to that, right? So, I mean, that goes back to..
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: But to the point of murdering is what.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: We're... Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Like becoming a serial killer?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: Or just..
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's possible.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I still would say only 10% are the ones you're
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: talking about. Like bullied from a young age or like,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: you know, a power trip or something like that.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that there's an MO, right? Definitely. Of people
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: that can be manipulated.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: And the folks and the people that we've been talking
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: about and that you've been alluding to the fact that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: they're controlled, that's how they recruit them anyway. Because they
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: can be molded and manipulated and twisted and boom, there
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you know who else I think is like that?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Psychopath for hire. I think cops, military, surgeons, and doctors.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: How many serial killers were doctors?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: You heard of that one doctor who was literally running
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: around fucking murdering the shit out of people?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: I have one in my hometown in Connecticut. He put
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: his whole family through a wood chipper.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: There's been a few of them that were also just interested,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: and I found this interesting because of certain things. When
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: it comes to the occult, me and Lisa have covered,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: there's books back in the 1600s, 1700s where people are
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: drawing detailed shit, and it's just like, how are you
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: coming across that? Probably fucking cutting open dead bodies or whatever.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Who knows what's going on? Like Da Vinci. Like, in
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: the movie From Hell, they show kind of, like, Freemasons
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: cutting people open and looking at them and stuff in
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: that Jack the Ripper movie. But, like, I..
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Fuck, I forgot.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, you know how many... There has been a few
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: serial killers, and I've just wondered, like, is this, like,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: some weird shit that's, like, common? And maybe is the
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: occult somehow, you know, involved in it, where they're very
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: interested in cutting people open and seeing their insides. That's
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Dave. There's been a few of them
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: that even say that.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Like, the taking of the heart out, the taking of, like,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Jack the Ripper, one of the very first serial killers
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: to ever... By the way, definitely, if Program to Kill
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: was around for that time period, fucking Jack the Ripper
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: would have been one of them, because I have heard
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: that it was, like... Alistair Crowley's shit with.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: The- I've heard he was an English lord.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 9: He was part of one of those bloodlines and they
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 9: just kind of let him out on the loose at
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 9: night and were just like, yeah, he'll come back.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: In the morning.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: I've also heard that he was acting on behalf of
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: the one Petrova... What's her name?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: Lovosky?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: Yes!
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: But he was acting on her behalf because she was
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: actually more popular.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 9: He was kind of doing these murders as these rituals
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: in the field and she was maybe doing the incantations
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 9: and stuff behind the scenes.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: She was the mind behind the murders.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: The magic, yeah.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: If you look at the victims, there were certain victims
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: that had missing body parts. It was almost like a procurement.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: Were they making a Frankenstein?
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Although it was like uteruses, tits, like weird stuff like that.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: They were removing that like specifically.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: You can look it up right now.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, they were trying to make some weird homunculus
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: or something.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: You can look it up now on the internet if
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: people want to check it out. Alistair Crowley blames Helena
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: Blavatsky for Jack the Ripper murders.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Nick. There's always an aspect of
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: this that's magical.
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  Speaker 3: He said that her and other people were doing it
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: for a ritual or some sort of shit.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: But when you look at like modern day serial killers,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: don't you get that same vibe like with Jeffrey? He said,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: I want to build an altar out of the bones.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I want to build an altar with the skulls and
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: the bones. And he was like, I'll paint it black
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to turn this guy's skull into a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: lamp and like do all this stuff with it. And
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: then he said he couldn't get charged up to like
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: go murder people unless he watched The Exorcist Part 3
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: or some shit like that. And like he would wear
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: yellow contacts and he would do all this. It's like
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: to me, there's a.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: Lot of ritualism. But it's almost like why does he
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: need to get charged up? I thought you would if
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: you're a serial killer, you automatically just do it on
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: the fly. I mean, like it's on it's on drip, right? Like,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't need to get charged up.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Like, he should be juiced up and ready to.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: Go at all times. Like, you got your to-do list,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: you got your honey-do list for the week, and you're like, crap,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: now I have to go do this. We're going to
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: put it on the extra list.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Well, in... Oh, go ahead, Brooke.
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  Speaker 8: I was going to ask, have you guys seen the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: show The Hunting Party?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: I have not.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: Okay, so when you were talking about, you know, potentially
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 7: some big players involved, basically the premise of the show
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: is it's about serial killers.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: Who either go to jail or get caught.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: And they're supposedly, say they get the death penalty or
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: go to jail, but really they're taken to this black
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: CIA site where they run testing on them.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 8: And they're not really dead.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: And long story short, it ties back to the attorney
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: general who's actually running this site and they're running tests
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: on these serial killers. And somebody like explodes this silo
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: and they all escape and then it's up to this
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: like CIA black ops team to go procure them all
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: because they want to test their empathy they want to
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: test to see um if they can cure them or
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: fix them um or wow they.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Really thought outside the box on that one like I
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from I don't
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: it's like you know what I'm saying but that that's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: just that's just real life stuff like sometimes I watch
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: a show And it's supposed to be like fantasy or whatever.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, dude, that's real. Like that Black Mirror shit. No, sorry.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: That's our reality right now. Like we're living in American
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Horror Story. This is all real. You know, murderers, witches.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: Revelation of the Method.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: They gotta show us what the fuck they're doing anyway. Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: And actually, I wanted to mention as one of the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: other serial killers that I want to talk about eventually
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: with you guys is that dating game killer came out
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: of Southern California as well in the 60s. Also military background.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: And he was said to be he had like a
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: genius IQ and shit. And he went on to study
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: film under Roman Polanski.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: Shocker.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: And he found his way onto the dating game show,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: one of the most popular shows on television back then.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: So you tell me there's not some type of connections
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: with these fucking guys. The dating game killer murdered like
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: 130 women. And he was friends with Roman Polanski from
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Southern California. He was in the military, has a genius
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: level IQ. He found his way onto the dating game
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: show and he won. that round of the dating game.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: And it's like, that's why they made a movie about
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: it on Netflix, because that girl refused to go out
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: with him even after she picked him, because she said,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: he gave me the creeps. That just goes to show
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: you a woman's intuition. But that guy definitely checks all
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: the boxes for program to kill.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: And Randy Kraft, didn't he have a really high IQ
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: as well?
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: Like 129?
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: Don't they always have a really high IQ? Most serial
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: killers have a really high IQ.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: I think that's what they look for. I think that's
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: their preference. I think John Wayne Gacy was halfway retarded.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: I think the successful ones have a high IQ.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've been like,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: were you like the last pick? You know, like everybody else,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, oh, I have to pick one.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll take this.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 8: Like Lisa said, that's class D.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: Class D.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, class D.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: They were the last three.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, yes. There's been a couple serial killers
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: that have been like, how the fuck did you even
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: murder anybody? You're so stupid.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: It would be like studying apex predators in that they
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: are not necessarily killing for survival. They're killing just to kill.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: And the fact that they're high IQ, that, that pretty much,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would think constitutes apex predation.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, who else kind of fits this mold?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: but his name was Herb Baumeister. And he he took
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: a bunch of he was gay serial killer that took
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: a bunch of guys back to his house and said,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll give you some drinks and you can
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: swim in my indoor swimming pool. And then he would
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: drown him in the pool and do all kinds of
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: weird stuff to him. Um, William Ramsey actually talks about
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Herb Baumeister cause he's another one that fits the program
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: to kill model. And I'm pretty sure he has a
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: military background. I'm not sure if he's from California. Um,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: but he said to be like genius level IQ type
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: of guy. He was a family man, had kids on
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: the side was a gay serial killer. Like where do they,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: where do they find these guys? Like literally.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: To Brooke's question I think prior to the 1940s I
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: think if you were a serial killer you were probably
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: organic but after that I think you were astroturfed definitely
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: that's what I.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Think well so government cheese anus killer is still alive
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: actually he's on death row if you want to write
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: him a letter Tell him you, you know, tell him
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: you listened to a rather interesting episode about him on
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: a podcast and just wanted to know.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: You got to reference him as the government cheese killer too.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: I heard you were the government cheese anus killer. Please
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: let me know if you are CIA or and or
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: mentoring candidate. Thank you. And, you know, we'll see before
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: the Grim Reaper comes for him on death row if
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: he ever fesses up. He still says he has no
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: memory of his crimes. I mean, that to me is
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: really interesting. If that's true and he has no memory
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: of doing any of that, it's like what type of
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: deprogramming shit are you on that you just don't remember?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: And he will stand by that. He just doesn't remember
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: any of it.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: So I find it crazy, too, that the most active
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: period of serial killers in the U.S. is between 1970s
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: and 1990s. Specifically, the 80s saw the highest number of
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: active serial killers.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think. Were they?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: And some of the most well-known serial killers operated during
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: peak period, Bundy Dahmer. Miras, Gacy, Kemper. All these guys.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Crazy. Don't forget Eileen Warno.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: I had a lady in there.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another one. The guy that made lamps out
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: of people's foreskins and shit.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: Ed Gein, yeah.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be doing a Netflix documentary thing on
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: that guy with the same guy that did Dahmer, Evan Peters.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's supposed to be playing Ed Gein in
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: an upcoming... You know, it's always like the ones that
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: get sensationalized. That dude is fucked. He is fucked, but..
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: In my opinion, that guy's psyche is gone. Like, from
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: him being on American Horror Story to portraying all the
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: characters he did.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: On there, then Dahmer, now this. Yeah, man, that guy's cooked.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: He probably is, but I just think there's got to
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: be more to this story if they want to make
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: a docuseries on Netflix about it. Just like the Menendez brothers,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: there's more to that story, too.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy. Like, the 70s... you had 300 individuals,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: active serial killers, right? Yeah. The eighties was 250. And
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: then from, by the 2010s, you were down to 50.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: And that's, I mean, of course these numbers are, you know, what, what,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: what they, what they, they think they know. Right. What
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: a decline. That's insane. Like, I mean, it just shows
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: like what was happening.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, 100, I think the 60s were the training wheels.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: The 80s were like, boom, now we really got it.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: And then it was like, okay, now that we've mastered this,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: let's move on to new, bigger and better things.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: Who knows? You could have gone to different countries too.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: Just saying.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: And I think they've taken their sacrifices up to a
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: whole new scale.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: There you go. different methods, different methods.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: Well done, Brooke.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: He's coming in with the mass murder, the Sandy Hook
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: and Columbine. They could have also diverted their attention to
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: these weird cult scenes. We got Waco, we got, I mean,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: so yeah, after the 80s, things started to look a
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: little bit different, but the body count Didn't change.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: I was even going to say, I wonder if some
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: of the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: but less of them.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: And also, we got into two giant wars.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: Yep, yep.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: Talk about body counts. I'm not saying our guys necessarily either.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: How much of it has gone online? And you don't know.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: Shit.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: Well, you only know what the media tells us.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 8: So if it's not being reported, you wouldn't know unless
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 8: you know where to look.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I..
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, Lisa.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: No, just real quick. Sorry, Julia. I'm sorry about interrupting
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: you the whole entire episode. It's so exciting. The entire
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: content is just so exciting.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: I love hearing what you have to say, Lisa. Go ahead.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: But everything you said, how they all have military background,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: the commonality with the serial killers at this time frame
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: all have commonality of being in the military. If we
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: look at these mass murderers, especially some of the people
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: that are involved with big shootings and what have you,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: They all were under surveillance of FBI, every single one
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: of them. So there is a commonality with some of
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: these signatures that there's a thread, right? So it's almost
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: like it has the signature that you're looking for in
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: these serial killers or these mass murderers probably is behind
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: the payroll.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: You'll even see that thread run through the cults too. Oh,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: the FBI was watching them. The FBI was watching them.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: Where are their pensions coming from?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: Yes!
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, Lisa, definitely. I mean, you nailed it. Where is
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: the money? And, like, some of this stuff..
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: And the meds they're all taking.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 9: Well, they have a job, and then a lot of
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 9: these feds end up going missing later, committing suicide, or,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 9: you know, it's... I don't know.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's like, how do they... if you really
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: look back in time, it's like, how did they sustain
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: their lifestyle? Because Jeffrey Dahmer was supposed to have worked
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: at like a chocolate factory during the day. And like,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: had all this money to buy five gallon drums of
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: acid power tools rent for his apartment and do all
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: these he's working part-time at a fucking chocolate factory he's
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: taking dudes out to bars every single night he's got
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: money for drugs he's got money for alcohol he's got
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: it's like who is the same.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 9: Thing with columbine and all the guns at columbine it's
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: like how did those kids get those guns you know
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 9: what i mean and all that ammo the but like
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 9: no it it was given to them.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: It has to be, right? It's like, where are they
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: getting the fucking funds?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know how truthful this is. I mean, I
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on TV
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: or in the movies, you see these people living in
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: like mud huts, but yet they're like shooting helicopters down.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: How the fuck did you even get those weapons? Someone
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: gave it to him. Obviously, if that's the case, somebody
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: funded these people, too. I mean, all you do is
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: you drop off a crate of fucking shit. Somebody's going
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: to start touching with it and playing with it. You
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: just have a helicopter. Just drop it in the village.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: There you go. Have fun.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Or I mean, it's like, do you guys ever remember
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy ever having a job ever? Like, did it
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: ever say he worked part time at Wendy's? He shined
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: shoes at a train station. Like, did he ever have
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: a fucking job ever? But he's able to buy train
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: and plane tickets to Florida. He's able to live in
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: multiple areas of the U.S., Florida, California. Oregon, Washington, Colorado.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: He's always on the move. He's always staying at luxury
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: hotels and shit.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, there's that theory about him that he
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 9: came from the family, that Bundy family, you know, which
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 9: is a well-known American Illuminati bloodline, so to say.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: His dad was definitely military.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 9: So maybe he did come from that bloodline and they
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: were just well-to-do, but still getting funded.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Somebody's funding this shit. Somebody's giving them money. I mean,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: the second I see a Netflix movie or documentary pop
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: up about a serial killer, I immediately want to start
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: looking into them because it's like, oh, this is one
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: of yours, right? This is one of the, it's like,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: it kind of makes me want to look at Scott Peterson.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: It kind of makes me want to look at, you know,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: I talked to JJ about OJ and I learned a
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: lot of interesting information because it's like these ones that
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: get propped up, please for the love of God, look
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: into them because you will find stuff that will rock
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: your fucking world. It will make you look at everything differently.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: And it's like, they got Zac Efron to play Ted Bundy.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: Like really? Like one of the sexiest guys of all time.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: So you fan it, what fantasize about him?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 8: It's weird.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: He did a pretty good job too.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: He did, but it's like, There's like a sexualization to
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: it though. Right? Like, why would you pick such a
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: handsome man to pull?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 9: And it was supposed to be like handsome or whatever,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 9: like that era or whatever, you know, he wouldn't know
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: Zach Efron.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: You know, it was weird though. Like now when he
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: went to get into like the true crime and nowadays
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: you had like supposedly mad, crazy chicks were going nuts
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: for fucking, uh, the kid from Idaho for, and it's like, yo,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: that dude was like fucking fucked up looking.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: There were people who said the Columbine One of the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Columbine Was attractive Am I wrong about that?
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: It could just be like people who are attracted to
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: sick fucks That's all it could really mean Is that
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: just humanity is at that point right now There's women
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: who get off on sick fucking dudes Right.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 7: And it's just, we've become so desensitized. And I think
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: I used to be really big into the true crime.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: I used to love listening to true crime podcasts.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: And I think I just got to this point where
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 8: I'm like, I just can't consume it as much anymore.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: Looking into such a dark, psyche like that and it's
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: like you're right all of these crime shows are so
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 7: mass produced it's these documentaries and.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 8: It people like drool over it and fiend over.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: It and it's kind of i've gotten to a point
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: now where i'm kind of disgusted by it like how
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: people get so excited over um i know you're talking
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: about the guy who remember the guy who killed his
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: family i think can't remember his name and then he
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: had that girlfriend on the side and he literally killed
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: his baby girls uh in the oil fields Chris Watts.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: He's another one of those guys that women go crazy over.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: And I just think that the way that true crime
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: is pushed out in this murder and, you know, just
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: all this, it's just gross.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: It's almost like when you.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: Started, Julia, it idolizes, they idolize it.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. It idolizes it. And to me, like I'm with Brooke,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: cause I used to, um, I used to watch the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: crime shows. I used to listen to Crime Junkies podcast.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: I used to listen to... There was a girl that
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: I used to follow on YouTube that would do her
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: makeup and talk about serial killers and shit. She was
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: real cute. But the problem is, it's like... And I
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: don't want to sound like I'm better than anyone, but
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, you're not giving people the full truth when
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: you talk about this stuff if you're not going to
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: mention that these are most likely... by design murderers who
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: have been turned against their own people and created by
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: secret military programs. I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: death part and the murder part and the killer part,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: but you're not talking about where they came from or
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: why they even exist. Because until like the 60s, nobody
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: was worried about You know, hey, did you make sure
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: the front door is locked? We don't want fucking Richard
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Ramirez to come in here and rape grandma. Like nobody
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: was talking about that. So, I mean, if you're going
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: to get into the true crime, you have to back
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: it up with where it potentially came from. The whole
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: serial killer movement, much like the Laurel Canyon, it's it's
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: a set up. And, you know, we've fallen for it, totally.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: And how much money it has generated as a genre.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the buzz. Huge.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: And energy.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, energy.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 10: I've even mentioned this with Lisa, just talking about the
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 10: podcast in general, just, like, sometimes, like, either the show,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 10: not going through so much growing pains, but maybe, like,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 10: me deciding, like, what do I really want to do?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: What do I enjoy doing? And I had said at
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: one point, even with the true crime, I said, it's almost, like,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable because it's, like, you are kind of, like, pimping out, like,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: real fucked up shit.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: And, like, at one point.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: The next one.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was, like, and at one point, like,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: when the show first started, that was a different co-host
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: that I had. And they were very much geared to, like,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: always covering pedophilia shit. You know, very, like, hashtag save
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: the children type dude. And even that shit was starting
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: to get to me. Cause I was like, yo, this
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: is just like fucking like something like, you know, it's like, yo,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: like I'm not for nothing, but I was just like
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: putting this shit out. I'm going to fucking break the
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: internet and stop it from happening. Like what the fuck? Like,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Just after a while, it's like, this
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: is just weird. And just that true crime. It's just like,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: I kind of wanted, I mean, I know we're doing
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: a true crime now, but like if people were to
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: kind of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: could definitely see that I definitely change with that I
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: think it was like a little too much I just
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: looked at it as kind of like a little weird
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: yeah and I just hate I'm gonna be totally honest
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: with you people that are huge into both I'm just
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: throwing it out there very cult minded and that's sort
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: of get me out to just.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 9: Be totally honest with Yeah, I think it's good to
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 9: take it in small doses. That's why, you know, my
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 9: show is not mainly about true crime or the parapolitical realm.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 9: But I still, you know, I produce a show every
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 9: Tuesday that dives into Mark, Mark Dutro and process and temple,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 9: you know, so I.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: I get my fill of all that stuff.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 9: But yeah, I feel you on just like the constant
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 9: consuming of it.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: I couldn't do it. I couldn't talk about it like
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: that either.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: Well, even for me, I was just like, even for
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: the whole thing of the show, it's like, I'm like,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to actually peddle fear. I'm actually trying
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: to peddle like, you know, not so much knowledge, but information.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: And it's like, all I'm doing is just handing fear
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: and hate to my listeners when I cover that stuff
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: For me, I think, The problem with presenting it in
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: certain ways is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: it can almost drain you to a certain degree if
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: you present it in certain ways. I like to present
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: it in a way that I would feel like it's
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: more empowering to the listener. Like, can you believe they've
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: ran this program on us? Can you believe the connections
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: between these guys? This isn't on accident. There's not random
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: crazy people that are.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: Going to come and kill you and your kids.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: It's like they are running game on us and we
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: need to wake up to the fact that there is
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: to come and kill you in your fucking house with
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: your kids.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 6: Unless they're sent there.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: But you look at the victims, most of the time,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: they're chosen for a reason. Even with the Manson murders,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Sharon Tate and all those people were chosen for a reason.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a sacrifice right there because wasn't Polanski
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 9: shooting Rosemary's baby.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: At the time?
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there was something there.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, for me, I think
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: it's empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, there are serial killers, sure.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: Most of them are fucking psychos that have been ran
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: through some kind of a program. A lot of the
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: stuff is staged, even.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of it is.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff is numbers are inflated. Stuff gets,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: there's crisis actors, there's, you know, so when I talk
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: about it, I like to come at it from an
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: angle of, yes, this stuff is real. It's not what
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: you think it is. You got to look behind the scenes.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: Most of these people are connected and just be weary
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: when you see something in the news, when you see
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: a Netflix documentary, when you see something like this. you
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: have to look in the background because when you do,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: it almost makes you feel better. Like, oh shit, this
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: is all like stage scripted. This is programmed. This is,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: you know, it gives you back the discernment of is
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: this scary or not? And most of the time it's
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: not because it's like, oh, it's another fucking CIA program.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys. Fuck you. Yeah.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's always those guys.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, even like the last thing that
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: that I think that this show even covered like true crime,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: like me and Lisa covered the Zizians. And when we
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: covered that, I think we might've spent a total of
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: like four minutes actually talking about what the fuck they did.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: And the whole other two hours was actually their connections
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: all through AI and weird to actually show. show there's
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: something that created this yeah.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: See the funding the you know how it's being propped
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: up potentially yeah.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: It is a little bit different too in the way
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: you cover it that way i i'm a little bit
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: more comfortable but some people just i don't know it's different.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah And I love the way Julia covers it. I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: absolutely love it. Like it's very, that's why I have
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: her do it all the time though.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: In that it's in depth, but it's not, it's not heavy.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: And I know, like, the reason that I was very
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: into true crime, and I still am, I'll admit it,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: is that I have a hyper-analytical brain. And if it's
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: not over-analyzing and piecing and tearing apart things and putting
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: them back together, I tend to go mad a little bit.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: And so that kind of serves as an outlet, as
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: a puzzle. Like, oh, there's this puzzle that my brain
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: can kind of work on in the background. But then
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: when we started covering the Smiley Face Killers and seeing
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: how all of it was contrived and how multiple areas
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: where there were coroners or medical examiners not even investigating
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: the case, I was like, this isn't even a real investigation.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: My brain started to lose the ability to want to
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: piece it all together because the evidence that was being
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: presented was manufactured almost. So, yeah, definitely everything you said, Julie,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: I 100% agree.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: same way, too, because I think there's a lot of
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: power in just knowledge. Like, make yourself aware of simple
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: of killers out there and you never know when one's
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: going to strike or if you're going to be like, yeah,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: There are real psychos out there. But the ones that
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: get their own Hulu special... I mean, the ones that,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: you know, you check in your front door to make
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: sure it's locked.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: I think those are all for sure fake. I think
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: those are ways that they still drain and make money off.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: Of the fucking thing.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: It's part of the theater. Yeah. Just like politics are
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: part of the theater, right? Just like assassination attempts can
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: be part of the theater. Just like, I mean, it's
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: all part of the theater. Just like as we were
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: talking about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: how he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Kearney.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: And like, we all know what happened with JFK and
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. And it's like, dude, it's all part
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: of the show. They all know each other. They all
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: probably fucking hang out. This is not an accident. And,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: you know, when you know shit like that, you start
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: to feel better about like, okay, they're doing this intentionally
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: to terrify people. And how about fuck you?
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: But mine is if my notes say butthole socks in it,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: it's a good freaking episode.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, The next time you see a body on
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: the side of the road, make sure you check their
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: b-hole for a sock because Randy Kraft is still alive
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: and he could very easily escape prison and murder someone
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: near you.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: All right. You realize that's the title of this episode, right?
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 4: B-hole socks.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: I should have changed it.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: It's a good title.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Randy Kraft, government cheese, b-hole sock killer.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 7: Oh, damn.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, thank you very much, Julia. That was awesome,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: as usual. That's why I always love having you on
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: for these. Let everybody know where they can find all
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: your amazing stuff again, please.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 9: Thanks, Nick.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: And thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show and everybody that
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey, Bennett with
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: his ASMR voice, Brooke, amazing. Lisa, always insightful, loved every
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: minute of it. I have my own show it's called
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: Cosmic Peach Podcast and it's available wherever you listen to
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: podcasts and I am an occult reject part time have
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: a show once a week on the cult of conspiracy
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: that you can check out on Saturdays and yeah I
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: just I like having a good time working with people
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: having these type of conversations it's just it's fun and
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: entertaining but also informational And thanks for having me.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: Definitely.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: No, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it. Uh,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: you know what? I'll let the other rejects real quick, plug, uh,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: plug themselves as well. Uh, we'll go with, uh, Jules
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: real quick. Let everybody know where they can find you.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 9: Um, another banger of a show, Nick, I appreciate you, um,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 9: making me a part of this panel.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 6: Um, Hopefully I can come on for more.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 9: Um, guys, y'all can find me on Twitter X, whatever
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 9: at grayfield pod, Instagram, grayfield underscore podcast. I'm on rumble, YouTube, Spotify,
• 2:03:23
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• 2:03:27
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• 2:03:31
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• 2:03:34
  Speaker 9: for a week before they released it to public.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 6: Um, we do esoteric book.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 9: Reviews every Saturday morning with subliminal messenger. Now season of
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 9: the rat is joining us. And, um, those are Patreon
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 9: exclusive as well as the twin peaks watch party that
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 9: we are doing right now, which may commence tonight. Um,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 9: if not here in the next couple of nights, I
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 9: will let y'all know, but, uh, yeah, patreon.com slash gray
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 9: pill podcast. And, uh, you got Nephilim death squad coming
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 9: on tomorrow.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 6: At one 30 central everyone. So, uh, Y'all tune in.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 9: And then I think Friday night, Nick, I think we're
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 9: going on with Sunday Night Secret Society, Hank and Chef.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 9: So it's going to be a banger of a swap cast.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 9: We'll have a bunch of people in there, so y'all
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 9: can hang out for that as well. And go check
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 9: out our episode of Already Dead Last Night, if you
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 9: haven't yet. Another banger.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 7: Awesome.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys. Thank you very much for joining us, Jules.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it. And Bennett, what's up?
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: So thanks for having me on, guys. It was great.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: It was so much fun. B-holes and all.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: Socks and all.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 4: You can find me at the Broadcasting Seeds podcast, BroadcastingSeeds.com,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: or all the lovely, you know, podcast players of your choice. Awesome.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 6: I followed you over there on the way, Bennett.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: And Brooke.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: ASMR bedtime stories with Bennett.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, you know, I'm always looking to do another podcast, so.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 4: There you go. As if I don't do enough.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: And go ahead, Brooke, please let everybody know where they
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: can find your amazing show.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I just want to thank you for having me on.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 8: And thank you, Julia, for presenting the topic.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 7: I think you showed us tonight that the web is
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 7: so much wider than reality.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 8: We thought, and it goes deep. But thank you again
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 8: for having me on.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 7: You can find my show, Dark Florida, wherever you get
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 7: your podcasts and interact over on Instagram at darkfloridapodcast.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Brooke. I always appreciate you coming
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: on the show. And last but not least, Lisa, the E.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: coli reject mad scientist. What is going on?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 5: Thank you for inviting me, Julia. Amazing presentation, always. And
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 5: I know that, you know, I want to do more
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: serial killers with you. I'm sorry. I'm just going to
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: come out and say it. I love the way you
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 5: cover them. I love discussing them with you. I would
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  Speaker 5: like for this entire panel to stay exactly the same
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  Speaker 5: when we discuss another serial killer, please, please, please. And
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  Speaker 5: so just going to put that out there. Thank you, everyone.
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  Speaker 5: I very much enjoyed the discussion. And the only thing
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 5: I would like to plug is the occultresearchinstitute.org, where some
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: of the rejects have contributed in a literary form content
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  Speaker 5: to things that have been discussed online. the podcast or
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: not but it supplies a lot of information esoteric ecoteric
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  Speaker 5: what have you but please check us out there on occultresearchinstitute.org.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome thank you very much lisa and thank you everybody
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  Speaker 3: again on the panel that was awesome i had a
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  Speaker 3: great chat and thank you for everybody in the chat
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  Speaker 3: as well that's what's up i saw a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people there in the youtube chat from the beginning to
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  Speaker 3: end i appreciate that that's why we go live and
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  Speaker 3: until the next one everybody be well.
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  Speaker 6: Doctor, my eyes have.
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  Speaker 2: Seen the years And the slow parade of fears Without
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  Speaker 2: crying Now I want to understand.
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  Speaker 5: I have done all that I could To see the
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  Speaker 5: evil and the good Without hiding You must help.
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  Speaker 3: Me if you can.
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  Speaker 9: Doctor, my eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me what is wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Cause I'm right to leave them open for so long.