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Everton sign Norgaard, Richarlison Rumours & Salah's Premier League Legacy | Outside the Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

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  Just get close to the mic, I was for fuck's sake, do your job.
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  I've got hold of it in my hand, look.
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  You can't do that, mate, you're fucking hell.
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  You're not Michael Jackson, you're not singing.
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  You've just said, I'll hold it.
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  If you're happy holding it, just hold it.
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  I'm alright holding it, yeah.
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  Have you been golfing?
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  No, I haven't golfed for three weeks now.
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  Oh, you'll probably be better then.
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  Must be missing yours.
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  Couldn't have got any worse, to be honest.
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  Now, do you know what else?
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  It's just since I got that whiplash off the last, not this old old, the last one, coming off that mattress on being dragged by a speedboat, my kids shouting, go faster, go faster, and then I come off, went into the water head first, and then my legs came over my back and my head like a scorpion.
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  Oh, my God.
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  I'd have paid money to see that.
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  Of course you would.
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  I'd have paid good money to see that.
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  It's not good.
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  I don't go near those things.
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  Anything to do with like inflatables in the water.
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  Absolutely no chance.
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  You clearly haven't got four kids mate and four men, four boys and they all just go on, Dad, come on, you can go on then.
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  The three elder ones I can go on, obviously the six-year-old couldn't come on it.
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  I'm just so happy it wasn't, it didn't happen to one of them because I genuinely think
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  I might have cracked one of the vertebras in my neck.
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  It's been five weeks now and I'm still in pain.
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  You're not dramatic at all, are you?
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  No, I'm just saying, that's what the physio said this morning.
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  It's a bit extreme to have cracked one of the vertebras.
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  This is some physio who's able to just look at you and tell you you've cracked a bone in your neck.
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  No, he's been on it and looking at me for weeks and weeks now.
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  And he just said to me, you know what?
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  You could have cracked it or fractured it.
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  So you tell me I broke my back.
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  And he went, no, don't be so dramatic.
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  But I'm just telling you what it looks like it could be.
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  So, you know, it's...
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  Dangerous then, though.
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  I fell off a jet ski a good few years back, taking on the jet ski.
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  And it was calm waters.
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  So we got up to like 60k or something like that, about 40 mile an hour, isn't it?
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  Literally flying.
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  Yeah.
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  And then there was people in the distance and I was letting him steer at the time.
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  And I went, just turn a bit left, mate, because we're keeping away from them.
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  Hey, don't tell your kids to turn left on a jet ski because they'll just pull the thing to the left and hard.
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  And I went straight, straight off it.
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  Dragged him with me trying to keep him on.
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  And the pair of us fell off for about 40 miles an hour.
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  And I hit the water hard and whatever was left of me, ACL completely went, snapped it there and then, hitting the water.
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  So I do know the pain of coming off one of them things and I've not been anywhere near one since.
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  I can't see myself going on one in the near future either.
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  I've officially retired now from actions with the boys while we're on holiday.
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  So yeah, it's now over.
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  No more.
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  Right, that's enough holiday talk.
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  Where are we at?
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  What's happening back at home?
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  Toffees are signing players, aren't we?
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  Yeah, they must have listened to us.
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  We said we needed a bit of leadership, somebody to come into the middle and dictate things and we bring in Christian Norgaard.
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  So what's your initial thoughts of the signing?
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  Yeah, pleased.
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  I think when you're losing someone like Idrissi Gaye in the middle of the pitch, I think you need that leadership.
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  He is a defensive midfielder because Hackney and Garner, I think are a bit more forward thinking and box to boxy types can get...
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  can get forward.
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  And he's got experience.
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  He's great at breaking up play.
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  I don't think he's as quick as Garner and I don't think he's as quick as what Idrissa was.
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  I think he gets into positions better and reads the game, sticks his foot in at the right moment.
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  One of the key things is he's good in possession of the ball.
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  he'll get it off the back and he'll link play and he'll fire through the lines, get, get your exciting players on the ball quicker than maybe a drisser did at times.
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  So yeah, I'm, I'm pleased.
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  I'm pleased it's relatively cheap in Premier League terms these days.
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  I know he's into his early thirties, but yeah, I think, I think signs are good and we're bulking up, we're bulking up the squad, which, you know, everyone's always wanting to make sure you've got a good, strong squad.
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  He looks like he plays maybe a lot more long balls than what we're maybe used to, not in a bad way, but they're aimed and targeted at maybe wide players or forwards.
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  But we haven't really had centre-mids in the last few years who've picked the ball up from deep and looked for that direct ball.
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  So I'm quite excited to see if that affects the way we play.
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  I think the big thing is we haven't seen nothing really of him at Arsenal.
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  We're all judging him on the phone that he's shown at Brentford.
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  He's obviously captain Brentford.
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  He's got an awful lot of minutes for them and not so many for Arsenal.
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  So I'm hoping we see that Brentford side of him, that leader, that quality in the middle of the park.
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  Losing to just a guy in the game is massive.
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  The experience he has and the way he's able to...
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  I don't want to say command at the midfield, but the lads are going to look to him because of the experience that he's had.
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  I would think so anyway, Oz, you would know better than that than me.
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  But I would imagine the likes of, you know, James, Jimmy Garner,
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  and the likes of Keenan Jusby, or they were looking to them at times if to like, you know, listen, but it's not that it's new to us, but we're looking at you for a little bit of leadership.
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  And I think that's where this Norgard picks up from.
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  And it'll be interesting to see because they're huge boots to fill at Trissot Garnaghy's and the job that he's done at Everton this, this, this term.
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  So, yeah,
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  I'm looking forward to it.
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  It's a step in the right direction.
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  Like I say, I think it's massive.
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  You need seniority in squads.
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  I don't see it enough in the Premier League anymore.
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  Everyone wants that young talented midfielder with sell-on value.
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  And there is a place for them.
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  Every club does need them players.
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  But I think what's being missed now massively is bringing in that older head.
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  You've seen what that can do at a place like Sunderland with Gnade Zaka.
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  You can see what bringing in that older head does.
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  It settles everyone down.
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  It gives everyone someone to look at.
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  And basically a lead.
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  And I'm not saying, you know, Christian Noggo's going to be our midfielder now.
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  You know, he's going to be our captain in any way, shape or form.
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  But what I'm saying is, it gives them middle boys a little bit more to someone to rely on, if that makes sense.
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  Yeah, well, especially because, I mean, not just the fact that Idris has left, but Seamus's voice has left the dressing room.
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  So there's some big sort of holes that are in there with voices and experience and who you listen to.
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  And I've said earlier that it gives opportunity for the likes of Juice Briole and Jimmy, as you were just saying.
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  to grow into more senior roles.
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  But there's nothing ever bad about having more experience in the dressing room.
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  And that's what Norgard does in a role where, as you say, you're losing Idrissa's ability to get around the pitch.
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  Because there was thought that maybe Tim Irribunum was going to be ready because out of possession, he is outstanding.
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  He's one of the best in the Premier League at winning the ball back.
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  If you look at his stats and his data about just competing...
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  His issue is he's been up to this point one of the poorest in keeping possession, which, you know, it's frustrating when you're trying to progress the team forward.
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  So if he is going to kick on in his career, that's the side he needs to sort of improve.
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  Whereas Nogard gives you a little bit of everything.
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  He can come in and sit.
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  He can get the ball back.
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  He doesn't charge around as much.
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  He's more of a sit and be in the right position.
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  But his production in possession is good.
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  And as I said, more experience.
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  Oz, how does Tim Irabunin
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  change them statistics because I think he's a fantastic player I raved on him when he come in once we'd done the deal with him we obviously moved on the other kid and then he brought him in it was kind of a bit of a swap deal and everyone couldn't make sense and I think it was Lewis Dobbin who we swapped and he come in the other way
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  And I just thought, and I really rate Lewis Dobbin as well, he could look like he had an awful lot of talent.
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  But it reminds me, Tim Irribun reminds me of a player, and I know these are completely different in style of players, but I look at someone like Adam Ola Luckman when he was at Everton, and I look at someone like Tim Irribun right now when he was at Everton, and I just think, we let Adam Ola Luckman go way too soon in my opinion.
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  I get it you know we need to go on whatever have you but I feel like Tim Iraboon could turn into another Adam Ola Luckman if he's nurtured correctly if he's how does that look as if he's brought on correctly how do you do that well they're different they're different style of players and their attributes are completely sort of different I'm just going in the way of you know what I mean
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  Yeah, I'll get it.
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  Luckman was sort of showing great moments of skill, but making the wrong decisions.
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  And he was a little bit lightweight, and he wasn't sure he needed to bulk up a little bit.
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  See him now, he's filled out brilliantly.
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  He's massive.
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  But he's making the right decisions.
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  He's knowing when to dribble, when not to.
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  He was brought on with...
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  So his was more decision-making.
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  Now, Therese Mabunen is...
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  outstanding out of possession.
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  Physical size is good.
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  He doesn't need to develop that.
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  There is a good chunk of decision-making about when he's trying to make the passes, but the majority of it is technique and concentration.
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  So the only way you can sort of improve on that is on the training pitch and just literally...
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  pass, pass, pass, pass, doing it by paying full attention.
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  Then maybe trying to just train your body so that then you don't have to overly think about what you're doing.
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  It becomes second nature.
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  Whereas I'm not sure if his technique is good enough that he can take concentration levels down anyway.
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  And then the minute he starts maybe looking at the next pass or running forward, or he's not concentrating completely on this five or 10 yard pass in front of him, then his technique lets him down.
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  So
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  I think he has the potential to improve, absolutely.
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  But I think he has to put so much time on the trainer pitching and also in competitive games to get his decision making going in competitive moments.
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  But you're right, he has got talent.
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  Can he learn off the players?
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  So with him being around top quality players like Jimmy, because Jimmy Garner makes very few mistakes actually on the ball.
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  He does.
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  He doesn't lose the ball very often when I've watched him.
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  Keenan Jusby-Holl is another one.
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  Keane Dues will only really lose the ball when he's looking to really dribble past a couple and go and he is brave enough to do that but when he's passing the ball and the distribution they don't really lose it them two players we've just mentioned but those are the players on the England squad who can lose the ball you know quite easily with Tim he's
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  Will it be being around them players more encourages him to change his way of thinking or change his pattern of play?
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  So as in, right, I know for the fact I'm not going to go for that ball right through the middle.
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  I'll just go sideways.
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  And that turns him into like a Jordan Henderson style player because he's obviously got all the physical attributes going backwards.
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  He does everything right, like you said, going backwards.
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  We just need him to brush up on going forward or ultimately just ball retention, keeping the ball.
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  Yeah, that would come from... That's how I'd go about it at first.
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  You'd say, you win the ball back for us, just give it to the nearest player.
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  Give it to the closest player to you.
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  Make it a nice, easy pass and get back in position.
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  And that's how you start and then you build confidence.
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  But again, I go back to...
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  Everything can be improved on the trainer pitch, but you have to put the time in.
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  I'm not saying he's not putting the time in, but everything can be improved on the trainer pitch.
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  But he may have a level.
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  He may have a moment where he literally cannot get any better with regards to decision-making and passing.
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  Then you find a level.
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  But at the minute, he's still relatively young.
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  He's still got a lot of his career left and a lot of time to grow.
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  But he can't.
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  So having the likes of Norgaard in there will help him.
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  Raise standards all around, especially if he's a voice, especially if he's talking and he's coming in and you demand things off certain people.
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  Because I think I got better because people expected a lot and people demand a lot of you in training.
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  And if you don't, there's no thought of...
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  If you don't deliver, there's no thought of, ah, well, I'll maybe do it next time.
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  The senior players around me were going, oh, yeah.
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  You're better than that.
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  What players do you feel like that?
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  We're doing that to you.
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  I'm giving you that.
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  When you think straight away players off top of your head.
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  Stubbsy would do it, but in a moaning, stop being rubbish, stop being bad.
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  Davey, he'd shout at me and blame me for everything.
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  He couldn't put a pass five yards away from Stubbsy and everything was your fault, honestly.
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  But it demanded that you make it right because otherwise he's going to call me out as a trainer.
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  So I've got to be back on all of that.
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  And David Weir would just look at me with this face and say, Oz, you're better than that, come on.
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  And I literally just felt like I was getting punched in the gut when Big Dave would give me that face, tell me I need to be better than that.
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  I'd be like, I've let him down again.
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  I've let him down.
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  What about midfielders you played with us?
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  What about midfielders you played with?
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  the centre-halves aren't the most comfortable on the ball in that era Stubbsy was very good on the ball by the way big Davey Weirder I love Davey he's brilliant but they weren't part of the era we're in now football and centre-halves but Stubbsy to be fair to him was a bit of an exception Stubbsy was very good on the ball and could strike a ball unbelievably well Alan Stubbs but I'm not like the midfielders you were playing with when they come to Everton and you were already established at Everton so what was the like was there anyone hey you come on that's got to be better who was doing that
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  Well, Lee Carsley to start with, because he was the senior player.
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  You tend to get more senior players doing it to you, unless you then get to a level where you find yourselves pretty even.
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  Because the midfielders that came in after that, I mean, Tommy Graveson was already there.
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  Then there was, it grew to be Arteta, Cale, Fellaini less so, because he struggled to pass it straight himself.
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  So he was never demanded stuff like that.
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  But, yeah, but, you know, quality player.
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  Darren Gibson could pass the ball brilliantly.
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  Honestly, his passing range was brilliant.
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  So that kind of makes you want to get better.
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  But I remember, you know, demanding it off myself because I was good at dribbling and I was good at short passing, but I wasn't amazing at long passing.
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  In fact, I was pretty poor at long passing when I was 18 to 22.
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  I became okay at it by the end of my career, but I wasn't exceptional at it.
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  It wasn't natural.
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  But I went and...
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  practiced on my own for ages around the side of the training ground and stuff.
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  And then asked Hibbo, because Hibbo was one of the best I could see of striking a ball back when we were teenagers.
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  So I used to like pick his brains on, where do you have your foot at the moment?
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  What do you do?
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  And make him come and pass pause with me, left foot, right foot, trying to do real long passes.
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  And that was just me, no coaches involved, talking to another player about something I knew he was very good at, because I wanted to be good at that too.
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  So when you come back to the likes of the whole talk where we come from, how you demand out of people, you've got to demand it from yourself.
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  You've got to want to get better in certain areas of your own game.
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  Otherwise, you know, coaches can't always make that for you.
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  You want to be the best.
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  The best, like let's say Cristiano Ronaldo say, he's made himself brilliant at everything by putting the work in at everything.
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  And that's how you have to do it.
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  Are you happy with Everton's midfield options now?
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  Do you think that's us for the window in that area?
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  Central midfield, definitely.
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  I think we'd all like another exciting winger, one that is going to get your goals.
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  I mean, Jack Grealish coming back is still a hot topic.
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  Fingers crossed.
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  Yeah, wouldn't mind a new striker.
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  What if we see the best of Dibble?
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  Not that I'm saying these can't get better.
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  He's Dibble on the answer if we see the best of him.
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  Well, there's a debate because I'm saying we want a new winger, but if Tyler Dibblen, as you say, steps up and becomes the player, the project that we signed, the development player that can really step up and show it, then that's like a new sign.
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  We've got George Back who was showing flashes of potential last year and if he can step up... Like him.
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  Yeah, and I think there's real opportunity for these young kids to have what we call like a break, a breakout year, really sort of say to the manager, this is my position now.
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  If you're going to sign someone, you sign them somewhere else because this is my position for the next five years.
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  I'm making it known, this is me.
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  But you have to perform.
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  Yes, people will argue.
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  Yes.
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  that you have to have a run of games to show the manager what you can do.
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  But you have to show the manager that you're kind of ready to get that run of games.
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  And I'm chomping at the bit and there's no way you can't pick me.
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  That's how you sort of get in the team.
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  I'm playing that well in reserve games or training or when I come on for five minutes here, the calls are going to be too big.
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  You can't leave me out.
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  I don't think any of them done that last year.
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  Are they all doing this in pre-season?
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  Are they all on the, I mean, how much, how much is what they're doing in pre-season appealing to the gaffer?
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  Like, how much is he going right?
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  It's hard to judge.
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  It's hard to judge because you're all at different levels of development and fitness and getting through and, you know, if you're,
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  Game is all about your sharpness and you're not doing sharp, hungry of those drills until the last 10 days of pre-season training.
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  You're not going to be able to show your best in them moments.
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  But I think pre-season for experienced players is about getting through it, getting your body ready.
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  But when I was in the youth team, pre-season is a real opportunity to show the manager.
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  Just so the manager, you make sure at the end of pre-season, and I'm going back to any 18-year-olds that are with the squad.
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  At the end of pre-season, make sure the manager knows your name.
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  And you're only going to do that by performing in front of him.
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  And then for the likes of Diblin and that, make sure that the manager has now got a real decision.
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  You've shown enough that the manager's now trying to play you.
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  So we've got a few of them, players that could come in and really make a difference.
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  But it's...
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  It's on the manager to give them opportunities, but it's mostly on the players to perform when they get their moments and get their times.
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  And it's not easy.
• 18:23
  Yeah, I was going to say, is it a risk to put that much pressure on Dibble given he hasn't really performed to the level that we maybe expected last season?
• 18:33
  No, it's not a risk.
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  Like, I would expect, having spent a year at Everton now, he knows sort of the demands, the physical nature of what's going to be asked of his position.
• 18:43
  He can't just...
• 18:45
  So this pre-season, if last pre-season he was just getting through it because he thought he doesn't usually run that much at Southampton.
• 18:51
  They get him the ball and it's great.
• 18:54
  I hope he realised last season I'm going to have to work a lot harder pre-season because I need to get my body ready so that I can work out of position as well.
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  And that's where all the work sort of gets done in pre-season for your out of position work.
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  So hopefully he's seen that.
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  Hopefully he's got himself ready because we've potentially got an outstanding young player in Dublin that can step up.
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  But...
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  these players have to, yes, probably give him games.
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  I mean, first five or six games, if he's not starting, I would be hoping he's getting 25 minutes each game, coming on, getting moments, flashing for us.
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  And then it's up to him from there to say, well, you know what, you've played that well, I can't leave you out.
• 19:35
  That's how football works.
• 19:36
  The way Keenan Hughes beat all, but just flew onto the scene, it's like he just hit the ground running straight away.
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  I thought he was doing it last season.
• 19:44
  Yeah, but Keenan's in a different part of his career.
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  I know, that's what I'm saying.
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  I get it.
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  He was at Chelsea.
• 19:48
  No, he's developed.
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  He's ready.
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  He was pretty much the finished article by the time he came.
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  He was ready to go.
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  Whereas Tyler's right at the start of his career, still.
• 19:58
  Yeah, he's played a few games.
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  But he was schneing and now he was at Southampton.
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  And is that because at Southampton it was a level below the championship?
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  And does that play a big factor?
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  He played in the Premier League as well.
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  The fitness level's the same.
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  Pretty much, yeah.
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  I think the Premier League is sharper and best.
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  I think everyone is a ridiculous athlete nowadays.
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  And he was flashing at the start with regards to what he could show in the championship up against those players.
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  I just think that he has the capability to do it.
• 20:33
  I just think at Southampton at the time, he was sitting sort of in that role where they just, you just don't do anything out of possession, but just give you the ball.
• 20:40
  Try and take people on 10 times.
• 20:42
  If you're successful, once, maybe twice, you'll get a huge round of applause because you get a little more lenience because you're a young lad.
• 20:49
  Homegrown, you get more lenience.
• 20:51
  And then...
• 20:52
  because you're actually showing brilliance twice out of ten, one in five, we'll love you.
• 20:58
  But when you come to Everton, one in five's not enough.
• 21:01
  If you're going to give the world away four times and you've got it, that's not enough.
• 21:04
  You have to get closer to, as a winger, three in five, whereas you get the ball five times, you create things three times.
• 21:11
  You certainly don't lose the ball.
• 21:13
  And that's where he needs to sort of get into a position where he's doing that for us.
• 21:19
  He strikes me as a confidence player.
• 21:21
  I think if he gets one or two good games under his belt early doors, we could really see a different Diblin.
• 21:26
  Yeah, yeah, probably.
• 21:28
  I hope so.
• 21:29
  I hope so.
• 21:31
  And I hope it's settled.
• 21:32
  Feels a bit better being up here now, that first big move away from your family, away from your home, away from your friends.
• 21:38
  You forget how young he is.
• 21:39
  You're settled, yeah.
• 21:41
  Moving across the country where you've now suddenly, instead of going home to your mum's for your tea every day,
• 21:46
  Suddenly you're going into this empty flat where you've now got to learn how to cook.
• 21:50
  You've got to learn out where the shops are.
• 21:52
  You've got to, you know, all this kind of stuff that we all did when you move into your first house.
• 21:56
  Some of us might have moved into our first, I think I was 22 when I moved into my first house.
• 22:00
  He's 19, moving not only into a new house, which I was 10 minutes away from my mum and dad's, but he's across the country.
• 22:07
  So these things aren't always taken into account because you're paying so much for a young kid, but...
• 22:13
  Should that be put down to an agent or the agent should be going, right, I'm going to make sure you're comfortable.
• 22:17
  I'm going to have someone with you, you know, whichever way he does it.
• 22:21
  They, he should have had someone come with him to make him feel comfortable to be around him.
• 22:26
  And I, and I blame agents for that because they're all well and good taking the money and making the money.
• 22:31
  Make sure your client is perfect.
• 22:34
  Make sure he's as comfortable as possible.
• 22:36
  You're basically saying his agent should buy him a friend.
• 22:39
  Like, no, not buy him a friend.
• 22:41
  I was not buying a friend, but I'm sure he's got close friends.
• 22:46
  And of course the boy's got close friends.
• 22:49
  So, you know, a couple of your friends are coming up with you.
• 22:51
  I'm going to make sure that I'm going to put them in a position where they're up there and they're staying or whatever.
• 22:55
  I'm just speaking out loud of, if I was an agent, that's what I'd do.
• 22:59
  I'd want to make my players come up.
• 23:02
  And if not, I'll go and stay with them for a bit.
• 23:04
  Because I'm his agent.
• 23:06
  I'm this boy's right hand.
• 23:08
  I'll stay with you.
• 23:09
  I'll make sure you're sick.
• 23:09
  I'll make sure you're looking.
• 23:10
  I'll make sure you're happy.
• 23:11
  I'll turn up at training because an agent can.
• 23:14
  So, you know, that's what I would be doing if I was his agent.
• 23:16
  But I'm just speaking out loud.
• 23:19
  I'm not an agent.
• 23:19
  I've got no intentions of it.
• 23:21
  But isn't that... Am I saying the wrong things?
• 23:24
  No.
• 23:25
  No, well, there's ways of looking at it.
• 23:27
  So, you know, a football club could try and do that.
• 23:31
  A football club could try and find a way of making your...
• 23:34
  your move easier, whether they, you know, get a club personnel to, to pick you up every day or whatever it might be.
• 23:42
  You could do it from an agent's point, but you're saying like, if an agent's got a wife and three kids and lives in London, and now you move to,
• 23:50
  Liverpool an agent card just said see you love see you love kids I'm going to go live with players for a bunch well I'm sorry no I'm going to go and stay with him for a week and I'm going to make sure he's comfortable I'm going to make sure he's happy I'm sorry this is part of the job so yeah I do expect that because you're being paid enough
• 24:06
  You can for a week, but you're talking about a lad moving across the country for years.
• 24:12
  Of course.
• 24:12
  You can't be with them for the whole year.
• 24:14
  They have to learn how to grow up on their own.
• 24:16
  Of course, but a start has been put down to the fact that he's struggling away from home.
• 24:21
  He's struggling, you know, he's missing his normal life and stuff like that.
• 24:23
  So I just look at this.
• 24:25
  I'm not sure exactly, but I think his parents may have gone with him, certainly for a short spell.
• 24:29
  I would imagine he probably have, but that's the story, that's the narrative that gets put to us as fans.
• 24:33
  The kid's struggling, he moved away from home.
• 24:35
  Well,
• 24:36
  get people to make it better for them as agents, whatever have you.
• 24:41
  It's clear for us all to see this kid's a player.
• 24:44
  And at what moment is it that he's not being a player that we've bought?
• 24:49
  Because whatever it is, whether it's the agent, whether it's the club, help this kid because by helping this kid, he's going to help us.
• 24:57
  And that for me is the big thing.
• 24:59
  I think it could go down as simply as youth and Everton is a big club.
• 25:04
  The pressure is different.
• 25:05
  And I think once you've had that season to let those nerves settle, I think we'll see a different Tyler Dibble in this season.
• 25:11
  I'm really hopeful of it.
• 25:12
  I think also on the best friend thing, he's best mate to Tyreek George around the training ground.
• 25:17
  So that could also be really helpful having those two together.
• 25:21
  Moving on, Ozzy, you said that...
• 25:23
  maybe you want to look at one more centre-forward to bring in.
• 25:27
  The rumours are going round and round with Charleston coming back.
• 25:30
  Is there anybody else out there who you're fancying?
• 25:35
  I don't know because it's difficult to find strikers.
• 25:39
  Would I have him back?
• 25:41
  Yeah, I would have him back.
• 25:44
  Absolutely.
• 25:46
  He's quite injury-prone, isn't he, now, which is not ideal.
• 25:49
  He's got a few other things, but...
• 25:52
  You know, just seeing some of the stuff, he bloody loves Everton still, doesn't he?
• 25:57
  He shows it all the time.
• 26:00
  Some of the shithousery stuff that he does, I love as well.
• 26:04
  Really.
• 26:04
  Fantastic.
• 26:05
  Give him a medal.
• 26:08
  Did you see him celebrating when Argentina got beat, sliding across his living room, sliding across his floor in his house?
• 26:13
  Did he?
• 26:14
  I hadn't seen it.
• 26:15
  Brilliant.
• 26:16
  As a Brazilian, he was...
• 26:18
  Just while you're on Argentina.
• 26:19
  Have you seen what they've done, by the way?
• 26:21
  Made National Football Day.
• 26:23
  National Football Day on the 15th of July, because he beats England on that day.
• 26:26
  So that's like a calendar.
• 26:27
  Yeah, National Football Teams Day or something like that.
• 26:29
  They'll celebrate them every year.
• 26:32
  How wild's that?
• 26:33
  Correct.
• 26:34
  I know.
• 26:35
  So I'm with you now.
• 26:36
  It says a lot.
• 26:38
  I've jumped ship from the Germany hatred.
• 26:41
  I hate them now.
• 26:42
  There you go.
• 26:43
  Always trust on Gazi.
• 26:44
  We'll get our own back.
• 26:45
  When the little maestro's not on the pitch, we'll have our own back.
• 26:47
  But anyway, Richie, carry on.
• 26:50
  Yeah, I would have him back.
• 26:53
  He does seem to know where the goal is.
• 26:55
  He's a fighter.
• 26:57
  He's one of those players, as we know, that you hate playing against him.
• 27:01
  You hate him if he's not on your team, but you love him when he is on your team.
• 27:06
  And...
• 27:07
  I would take him back.
• 27:08
  It'd only be a short-term deal.
• 27:10
  Again, I wouldn't be overpaying for him.
• 27:12
  It would have to sort of fall into our lap.
• 27:14
  But I don't think you can ever have too many striker options.
• 27:17
  I really don't.
• 27:17
  I've got one for you.
• 27:19
  I've got one for you.
• 27:20
  Here's one.
• 27:21
  And he's cop-eyed to throw on this at me.
• 27:23
  What's your thoughts on Gabriel Jesus?
• 27:25
  Because he's gone.
• 27:27
  If you could get him, I definitely would.
• 27:31
  I personally don't know if he's the answer, but who are you taking, Gabriel Jesus or Richie?
• 27:38
  For us, probably... Because I think they both score the same amount of goals.
• 27:41
  Probably Richie, you know.
• 27:43
  I agree.
• 27:44
  I don't know, in the way we play and the way we have our wide men and our number 10s, I'm not sure.
• 27:50
  I always think we need a big physical, or at least a guy that can hold his own physically up at the top of the pitch.
• 27:58
  And Jesus wouldn't really play up against centre-half.
• 28:02
  Do you know what my reasoning is, with Richie over Jesus?
• 28:05
  Yeah.
• 28:06
  I just think if you don't score double the amount of double figures in goals at City and at Arsenal, you're never going to do it at Everton.
• 28:14
  And I need a forward that's going to get double figure goals.
• 28:17
  I need a forward that's going to get 20 goals.
• 28:19
  And I just think even though Richie's not going to get you 20 goals, I'll tell you what, if he starts every week at Everton, I'll guarantee he'll get 15 or more.
• 28:27
  It might not be 20, but it'll be 15.
• 28:30
  because he's horrible.
• 28:32
  He just gets in.
• 28:33
  He knows where the net is.
• 28:35
  He's doing the right things.
• 28:36
  He's giving little kicks out.
• 28:37
  He's annoying people.
• 28:39
  He's just at it.
• 28:40
  And I just think with Jesus, as much as he's a talented footballer and as good as he is,
• 28:46
  I just don't feel he's the answer.
• 28:48
  I don't know why to say he's not, because he's a fantastic player, Brazilian international, great player, but I just don't feel he's doing anything.
• 28:56
  Yeah, I think, yeah, although he's definitely not the fittest article, I don't know if you'd get him, but I'd still try and get the lap.
• 29:02
  I think he might be decent for us, someone who can, his only issue is his, seemingly his anger issues on the pitch or his disciplinary record.
• 29:12
  Is he that bad?
• 29:15
  He can, he loses his head in moments, doesn't he?
• 29:17
  And kicks out or can he get sent off?
• 29:20
  So did Boazza.
• 29:21
  Didn't start doing that then, but...
• 29:22
  I think we'd buy into all that, us.
• 29:24
  I think we'd buy into it.
• 29:25
  Okay, now you've seen the players we've had in the past.
• 29:27
  Buy into it, Jesus Christ.
• 29:28
  We'd make him an icon.
• 29:30
  No, we love it.
• 29:34
  The price tag of Liam De Lape, though, could be a stumbling block.
• 29:37
  Yeah, they want a laugh for him.
• 29:40
  I think that all depended on if Illumann stayed or went.
• 29:43
  I think you're getting Liam De Lape if Illumann goes, and I think if Illumann stays, I don't think you're getting...
• 29:48
  Liam Dallap I think Tiano Barry started showing a little bit during pre-season I think he's I'd say it's hard to judge completely during pre-season but he's just he's been okay he's not looked out of place he's done a good job so hopefully I talked about the developments of some of the younger kids he's
• 30:07
  in that bracket, young, been away from home, different country, for the first time, maybe this is a season where he'll kick on.
• 30:15
  So there's potential for that.
• 30:17
  You hope.
• 30:18
  And that would be ideal for us.
• 30:20
  Yeah, I still think we need somebody.
• 30:22
  We can hang our hat on, though.
• 30:25
  Because it's a constant discussion.
• 30:27
  Is it Beto, Barry?
• 30:27
  Are they going to perform or are they not?
• 30:30
  I think we need a striker who we say, right, he's our number nine.
• 30:33
  We know exactly what we're getting from him.
• 30:35
  How much does it affect a player, a forward player?
• 30:38
  One week he's on, one week he's off, one week... And that's what we got.
• 30:41
  We seen with Beto and Barry last season.
• 30:42
  How much does that affect the forward?
• 30:45
  You're coming off a pitch, right?
• 30:47
  And you know you haven't done the best.
• 30:48
  You know you're getting dropped next week.
• 30:51
  How is that?
• 30:51
  Is it good for competition?
• 30:53
  Is it making them fight every week?
• 30:55
  Is that good?
• 30:56
  Well, it's not always week to week.
• 30:59
  Sometimes they get a run of four or five games.
• 31:01
  But even with... And then they'll swap over.
• 31:04
  But even within that...
• 31:06
  They generally know they're going to get subbed after 65 minutes.
• 31:09
  Between 60 and 70 minutes, that's just going to be a general swap.
• 31:13
  And you can see it on their faces at times.
• 31:14
  And I went through a period, especially when I was starting off,
• 31:19
  where you look into the bench after an hour and you see the manager's ready to make a change and you just know you're going to be the one coming off because it's a standard change.
• 31:27
  And it is frustrating because you've still got a lot to give.
• 31:31
  You've still got fitness left that you can do.
• 31:34
  You know you've not played badly, but you might not have scored every week.
• 31:38
  And you can see it on their faces at times when the board goes up and they know it's just them always coming off.
• 31:45
  But...
• 31:46
  The only thing you could do is try and get a goal, try and get an assist, make sure when these opportunities come your way, you're actually producing, performing, getting the numbers.
• 31:55
  And then you say to the manager, you need to stop bringing me off.
• 31:58
  I can score goals in the last part of the game, like I did at the start of the game.
• 32:01
  Stop bringing me off.
• 32:02
  But if you say you got 65 minutes in and...
• 32:05
  we've struggled to get a few shots or you've missed a few chances then it's it's an inevitable change.
• 32:10
  Do you know when that happened for you and he stopped taking it off?
• 32:13
  At what moment in your game was it at that moment where obviously you were the player that started to make a difference, started to make a change throughout the game?
• 32:22
  Is that when he went right?
• 32:23
  Yeah but you know I think it was... You see where he went, I'm not bringing you off no more because you're a starter for me, you're one of the main ones.
• 32:29
  I think it was a developer.
• 32:31
  It was either, you know, you do start actually doing things on a regular basis or when you're up in on, you look pretty strong towards the end of the game because you've been running around showing, look how fit I am.
• 32:41
  I've got loads of energy left to give.
• 32:43
  But I think it was just a progression.
• 32:45
  It was like...
• 32:46
  Once I stopped being one of the younger ones in the team, it was, you know, they're the ones that are going to get took off.
• 32:53
  Or once I started moving centrally, your wide men tend to get took off first because you want more bursts from them or your forwards.
• 33:00
  So it depends on what position on the pitch you play.
• 33:03
  but also how experienced you come.
• 33:06
  I think as more experience you get, the more options, the more opportunities you get to stay on.
• 33:10
  I think at what stage these players become, because you became kind of a lieutenant for them.
• 33:15
  You're in the midfield.
• 33:17
  You're starting every week.
• 33:18
  You're starting.
• 33:19
  You're one of the first names on the team sheet.
• 33:21
  And I just think at what stage does it?
• 33:24
  will a Barry or a Beto get to that stage?
• 33:26
  And if they did, what are they going to have to do?
• 33:28
  Are they going to have to score five, six games in a row?
• 33:30
  Ten games in a row?
• 33:31
  Are they going to have to score 15 goals in a series?
• 33:33
  What are they going to have to do to show that they belong?
• 33:36
  It's a feeling, isn't it?
• 33:38
  At the minute, we're not quite sure, especially going off last year, Beto and Barry, I don't think any of us as fans are quite sure week to week who's going to start because of what we're seeing from them and the performances we're seeing from them.
• 33:51
  Yes, they'll have moments where they score and they'll have flashes where they've got a goal here and a goal there.
• 33:56
  But generally, we're going through the season thinking, it could be either of them.
• 34:00
  It's a feeling of when we know, they'll know, if you understand what I'm trying to say, there'll come a moment where if one of them is performing well enough, we'll know they're playing next week because they're performing well enough.
• 34:12
  Before you know it, they're performing well on that regular of a basis that we know that's our number nine.
• 34:17
  That's our centre forward.
• 34:18
  and we don't know we can't work out have we made a decision on either of them yeah as fans yeah
• 34:27
  I think some fans pushed towards Beto didn't they because Barry had a little bit of an incident didn't he with his family sitting in the Arsenal end I think but that's not down to play on the pitch that's not football is it I just think I think the two different players I genuinely I think Beto's the one who's going to run the channels and he's going to Beto's the worker Beto's the absolute grafter I think I think Barry does do a bit but I think his work rate and his
• 34:57
  There's force in it.
• 34:59
  It is the lesser side of his game.
• 35:00
  Whereas Barry's is...
• 35:02
  I think he might be the quicker finisher.
• 35:04
  I think he might be the quicker player.
• 35:06
  And the one who's a little bit more dangerous.
• 35:09
  Whereas Beto is...
• 35:11
  He's at you.
• 35:11
  He's in your face.
• 35:12
  He's getting stuck into you.
• 35:14
  He does all the jobs.
• 35:16
  A bit like...
• 35:17
  A bit like Dennis Oz, I guess, Strach.
• 35:21
  Big Strach, yeah.
• 35:22
  A bit like him.
• 35:23
  It's not the best comparison for him, is it?
• 35:25
  No, I know, but I'm just trying to say it in terms of what he gives you.
• 35:28
  Because every player's got attributes, every player's got strengths, every player's got weaknesses.
• 35:32
  And Beto's strengths are, you know what, he just puts it, physically he puts it on you and he gets stuck into you.
• 35:37
  He does.
• 35:38
  But where Barry doesn't do that much, Barry's not really about that.
• 35:41
  He does a little bit and he can't half-jump, Barry.
• 35:44
  He surprises me by how high he can get into the air.
• 35:48
  I don't know his actual heading is as good as it should be directionally.
• 35:53
  He can flick it on, okay, but directing them towards goal.
• 35:57
  But you're right, Beto's a lot more physical than...
• 36:00
  than Siena who can come and twist and turn with the ball.
• 36:03
  Doesn't always know where it is, but could come and get the ball a little bit better.
• 36:08
  But I'm hoping that Barry's going to develop and going to improve.
• 36:13
  But if we, if we want to get where we expect us to be, which is certainly competing for Europe every year into that kind of bracket,
• 36:24
  then there are a few positions on the pitch that we probably need to continue to improve on.
• 36:29
  And that's one of them.
• 36:30
  I don't think there's any doubt about that.
• 36:32
  Yeah, that's fair.
• 36:33
  Yeah, I don't think it's a case of losing one of them.
• 36:35
  I think we just need to add to the amount of forwards that we've got and bring in a bit of extra quality and let them back out.
• 36:40
  That's just to say, if we did bring in Liam DeLapp,
• 36:44
  or we brought in a Gabriel Jesus, and they score 15 goals in a season.
• 36:49
  You know they're starting every week, so them two aren't going to stay there.
• 36:52
  One of them will, but two of them won't.
• 36:53
  So you're going to be losing one.
• 36:55
  That's how football works all the time.
• 36:56
  Of course it does.
• 36:57
  But my theory, what I'm asking these questions for, is quite simply, is who are you keeping, and who are you letting go?
• 37:03
  If you're the centre-half right now, who do you want to see walking up on that pitch against you?
• 37:07
  Do you want to see Beto, or do you want to see Barry?
• 37:08
  Yeah.
• 37:10
  Which one do you want?
• 37:11
  Which one are you?
• 37:12
  Which one do you?
• 37:12
  Because I know where Javan like one is he wants Paddy.
• 37:15
  Yeah, right now I don't care.
• 37:19
  You're on a sense of half soft ass.
• 37:21
  But I'm just saying right now I don't think right now I don't think either of them have done enough that a centre half really care.
• 37:28
  That's the issue.
• 37:30
  I'm not sure about that.
• 37:31
  I think if Erj van Dijk, Beto's given him a little bit of a tough time, hasn't he, the last couple of games.
• 37:39
  He's the best he's done in the league, isn't he?
• 37:41
  So that's how I judge it off.
• 37:43
  Shut up.
• 37:44
  Well, at the moment, at the moment, you know,
• 37:49
  it's Gabriel Osaliba innit it is Gabriel Osaliba so but you know getting around to the point of when these top defenders walk on a pitch and they walk on they're like fucking Adonis they walk on looking like the big fella and I just think when our foes walk on the pitch I think oh I can't be dealing with him again I'm just not in the mood for him today and I just don't feel that many players give off that kind of
• 38:15
  order anymore.
• 38:16
  You know what I'm saying?
• 38:17
  Whereas, when Harland walks on a pitch, everyone's shitting themselves.
• 38:20
  Well, I'm shitting myself in the stand, to be honest, when he walks on a pitch.
• 38:23
  I'm just thinking, you know, he better behave himself in today.
• 38:25
  I just don't need the headache of him.
• 38:27
  Now, if I'm sitting, if I'm seeing that from a hundred rows up in the stand, imagine how they're feeling that sense of everything.
• 38:33
  Fuck's sake.
• 38:34
  I mean, just look at the size of him, I'm not getting in a race.
• 38:37
  I'm not beating him in a race.
• 38:37
  I'm not beating him in a jump.
• 38:38
  I'm not, like,
• 38:40
  I want my bulls to just... See, you won't have come up against that very often because you're six foot one or two or whatever you are.
• 38:48
  You know what I want, you little midget.
• 38:49
  I'm six foot three.
• 38:50
  Don't try and steal inches off me and put them on yourself.
• 38:55
  So, but you wouldn't have stood next to many people where you stood next to them and then you're looking up at them and going, I'm in for a tough day or you're bleeding.
• 39:06
  I wouldn't like to come up against that.
• 39:07
  You do not have spot.
• 39:09
  That was every single week at every single time.
• 39:11
  I've got all over 100 rounds with David Price mates and being punched.
• 39:14
  And he is one of the hardest punches this country has ever produced.
• 39:18
  And I've been punched and knocked round off him for years.
• 39:21
  Don't talk to me about looking up at people and thinking.
• 39:23
  I know you look up at everybody and think, oh, I don't need this.
• 39:26
  Every single tunnel in the Premier League, I was stood there looking up at who I'm going to have to take on today.
• 39:32
  So I got used to that feeling.
• 39:34
  That's all right.
• 39:36
  The worst was generally Chelsea.
• 39:39
  Honestly, back in that mid-noughties moment, every single one of them was absolutely massive.
• 39:48
  I was only coming up to armpits at times, you know, like stood next to someone.
• 39:51
  Who's the worst of physically?
• 39:53
  I'm pretty sure people thought I was a mascot.
• 39:55
  Who was the strongest to come up against?
• 39:56
  Just thought, there's nothing I can do with you.
• 40:00
  it's tough that because it's tough that because I never no it is because I made sure I never got close enough to anyone that they could use their physicality on me I just try and keep away and jump in and jump out if you know what I mean like people with
• 40:17
  People with long legs were the worst because you'd think you'd got away from them and you'd think you'd skipped past them.
• 40:22
  And the next thing, this big long leg had come from nowhere and sort of tore the ball away from you.
• 40:28
  That was always the most frustrating.
• 40:30
  Gerrard's done you a couple of times.
• 40:32
  Say that again.
• 40:33
  Gerrard's done you a couple of times.
• 40:35
  No, I thought that's what you said.
• 40:39
  He's kicked him a few times the loss.
• 40:41
  No, he's definitely kicked him a few times.
• 40:43
  I've witnessed it.
• 40:45
  Well, I don't think I've played on the pitch with anyone, really, that I've not been kicked by or kicked back.
• 40:50
  No, I know that, but I'm saying when someone's got into your thoughts, you're walking on a pitch and you just think, what I'm saying, like getting to the point of when they're walking with Harlan, who have you walked on with those?
• 41:01
  last time I played him this was a ball league don't need this again the one who used to always was there Essien Michael Essien for Chelsea honestly he left some bad challenges on me I've heard that before from other players I'd be thinking ref come on look after it he was a lovely fella and I'd be getting up off the floor thinking he's nearly broke my leg he did on purpose and I'd turn and Hibbo would be going it's your own fault that lad left yourself open there
• 41:30
  I'm like, come on, I'm all.
• 41:31
  Oh, I'm all being a nice boy.
• 41:34
  Yeah, I'm sure he would be nice to you, Tony, at Soccer Aid.
• 41:37
  Oh, you're sad.
• 41:38
  He got little Oz against him.
• 41:42
  Michael Essien was a top player.
• 41:44
  Hard player in.
• 41:46
  Top, top level player.
• 41:47
  But I just think about the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.
• 41:51
  Big, big physical specimens who get around so well.
• 41:54
  Not so much tackling from Lampard, but he's still competing with you in every way.
• 42:00
  Yeah, well, top players, that's why they had the numbers that they did.
• 42:03
  That's why they scored the goals that they did.
• 42:05
  That's why they had the careers they did and players long as they did because they had all the attributes that you need to be the best and they could strike a ball well.
• 42:14
  Technique was good.
• 42:15
  They had great mentality.
• 42:17
  They had brilliant vision and idea of decision-making.
• 42:20
  Decision-making is key.
• 42:22
  So other people...
• 42:24
  If you've not got all that, you're always making up for stuff.
• 42:27
  Like Dennis Wise was a brilliant footballer, but he was small and wasn't as quick.
• 42:31
  So he was always fighting a losing, he would fight a losing battle against as good a player as he was.
• 42:36
  If he come up against Gerrard, he'd have to win in a different way.
• 42:39
  Gerrard uses pace and power because he had all of that.
• 42:43
  How good was Giggs Oz when you played against him?
• 42:46
  Brilliant, yeah.
• 42:48
  Like, arguably the best left winger that played in the Premier League.
• 42:54
  It's quite hard to debate that, actually.
• 42:56
  Yeah, keep hold of that.
• 42:57
  Talking of great careers, Mo Salah, he's now left the Prem, he's gone to Traps on Spur on a free, which is a bit of a surprise going to the Turkish League.
• 43:05
  But where does he fit in terms of best wide players in the Premier League?
• 43:10
  So you've got gigs in there, like you've just said.
• 43:12
  and a few other great players, Hazard, Ronaldo.
• 43:16
  What do you think, Oz?
• 43:19
  Well, to start, when you're talking about a Giggs, Giggs played left midfield of like a 4-4-2, so he's a left winger stroke left midfielder, whereas Salah and even Gareth Bale as he moved on, they all moved over to play it differently as left-footed, but right-wingers.
• 43:41
  So you sort of now consider them right-wingers.
• 43:44
  It's...
• 43:46
  I think you have to put them all into one bracket in terms of whether you play off the left or whether you play off the right.
• 43:51
  As you're saying, you're a Hazard or if you're even a Mane, who Salah obviously played with for a long time.
• 43:58
  And once you start doing that, wow, it's an incredible array of players that you're talking about.
• 44:07
  Just the ones that you just named.
• 44:08
  Is Salah the best winger to play in the Premier League ever?
• 44:11
  Yeah.
• 44:12
  See, I don't think so.
• 44:15
  And I'm not talking in a biased way.
• 44:18
  I don't think so.
• 44:20
  However, when you listen to the likes of...
• 44:23
  So I heard when Salah left, I think it was something that Steven Gerrard did.
• 44:29
  And he was ranking him in regards of where he is as a Liverpool sort of player.
• 44:35
  And he had him higher than himself and he had him higher than Ian Rush even.
• 44:39
  And he had him just below Kenny Daglish.
• 44:41
  And I've got to respect what his opinion is there because he's played with him, he's seen him up close.
• 44:49
  If he didn't play with him, he's seen him up close, watched him for years.
• 44:53
  And his numbers are outstanding.
• 44:56
  Like, his goals and his assists are a joke.
• 44:59
  But I always... You know, you compare them to these other people.
• 45:02
  I always look at Salah and think...
• 45:03
  I always think like he's... 50% of the time, he's missed kicking it.
• 45:06
  50% of the time, he's getting them in off his heels.
• 45:10
  Or he's missing a pass.
• 45:11
  Or he's giving the ball away.
• 45:13
  Or...
• 45:14
  As I say, he's trying things and again, giving the ball away.
• 45:17
  So then if I'm actually comparing him technically to all the other players, he doesn't get into the same bracket technically as...
• 45:27
  as a Hazard or a Giggs or the other unbelievable left wingers or right wingers that I'm probably missing off the top of my head.
• 45:35
  But there's something about his numbers that have got him where he is and his numbers alone are an absolute joke.
• 45:42
  So he's obviously in the conversation, but he's not technically as good as the other players around him.
• 45:46
  It's a strange sort of position I find myself trying to debate of how I feel about Mo Salah.
• 45:52
  I don't think technically he's as good as John Barnes.
• 45:55
  I think technically John Barnes is better than Mo Salah, but ultimately his numbers don't compare anywhere near close.
• 45:59
  So football is such a statistical driven game these days.
• 46:03
  Everything's about stats or that assist or that assist.
• 46:06
  But years ago, it was about players who make a difference, who change a game and you can't,
• 46:14
  no one can sit here and say Mo Salah hasn't done that while he's been at Liverpool.
• 46:17
  Every year, year in, year out, he's just scored a record amount of goals.
• 46:21
  He's phenomenal.
• 46:21
  I don't think no one will ever compare to Steven Gerrard, if I'm being totally honest.
• 46:25
  I'm obviously too young to remember Kenny Adlice's days, and people tell me, listen, he was just the king.
• 46:31
  That was the end of it.
• 46:33
  But I don't know enough, even though I know Kenny was a legend and a great player.
• 46:36
  If I'd seen enough, that might be different.
• 46:38
  But from what I've seen from Steven Gerrard, I mean, that horror has broke my heart on many of occasions, mate.
• 46:44
  and I've seen them do things that no one could that I can't even put into context like I genuinely believe it's him I think him or Wayne Rooney the greatest players this country's ever produced
• 46:58
  And the only reason I tip to Wazza this is because Wazza can finish better than Steven Gerrard.
• 47:04
  But Steven Gerrard, one thing I will say is Steven Gerrard is the greatest leader this country's ever seen.
• 47:10
  Because that man single-handedly, what he done in 2005, that horror bag, it changed everything.
• 47:17
  I will never get over that day I will never you will never see that again that team that beat them on paper they had no right to even be on that pitch do you understand what they do and it was what he done he done it it wasn't just that game that was the year he scored the last minute screamer against Calatasseroy to actually get them out the group stages he's just a freak he's a freak
• 47:44
  he's a freak no one okay he's the greatest lip player ever i think he's been very nice to salah saying that salas are he's very he's obviously a very humble he had salary above rush as well though which i found incredible he had salary above i do i do get the rush one how well i know he's like 350 goals i know as i know but it's what sal has actually done in that how many how many goals
• 48:10
  In that time, I bet he didn't create half as many as Salah.
• 48:13
  Well, before the Premier League started, they didn't do things like assists.
• 48:18
  They didn't keep records of them.
• 48:19
  You just called that setting a goal up.
• 48:22
  Well done, please.
• 48:23
  Believe it or not, there is perverts who have gone back and done all that kind of stuff and have looked at the stats.
• 48:28
  Well, there will be some kind of clown or some kind of pervert who goes, Rush got exactly this many assists in his career.
• 48:35
  He's actually done and taken, gone back and looked at all of his games.
• 48:38
  For anyone listening that has done that kind of thing,
• 48:40
  out of research.
• 48:41
  Let me assure you, we don't mean to call you a pervert.
• 48:43
  I promise you they will be.
• 48:45
  I'm not going to be looking at any stats ahead of these calls anymore, Tony.
• 48:50
  Just kill that.
• 48:51
  Happy job.
• 48:52
  Mo Salah, Mo Salah, like literally is a freak.
• 48:56
  And the fact that he's done what he's done is remarkable because nobody in the world anticipated what he was going to turn into after coming from Roma.
• 49:05
  Because he was classed as a Chelsea reject who'd failed at Chelsea miserably.
• 49:11
  If we'd be totally honest, wasn't tearing up pitches at Roma, wasn't flying or going super strong.
• 49:17
  He'd just come in and even Jürgen Klopp said he didn't think he had it.
• 49:21
  When Jürgen Klopp said he puts it basically down to his scout
• 49:25
  Mo Salah he's come out and said that in public so I just think Mo Salah's like a freak mate he's just he's one of them I just gotta hold your hands up and go wow like he's I think he's I don't know enough like I said before but I would go Gerrard Daglish Salah and Rush
• 49:46
  To round it up then, so last week we spoke about centre-halves and he'd be getting to our Premier League all-time 11.
• 49:52
  Tony, you went Rio and Terry.
• 49:54
  Ozzy, if I'm right, I think you went Stones and Terry.
• 49:58
  If you remember correctly.
• 49:59
  Oh, sorry.
• 50:00
  Yeah, respect Big Silve.
• 50:02
  I also put Big Silve in.
• 50:04
  I'm not getting full of him.
• 50:05
  You don't need a problem off that fella.
• 50:07
  Fair play.
• 50:09
  So, wide players, you've got two.
• 50:11
  Who are you putting in?
• 50:12
  Are you putting Salah in or are you putting two others?
• 50:14
  Yes.
• 50:17
  Salah gets in mind.
• 50:18
  He's got in.
• 50:19
  Oh, I don't know if he gets in mind.
• 50:21
  Salah on one side, Ronaldo on the other.
• 50:23
  I was going to say, because of Ronaldo.
• 50:24
  So, if you're doing it that way, I'm probably, because of the amount of centre-forwards that we've got,
• 50:30
  If you're doing it, Thierry Henry plays off the side.
• 50:33
  Stop it, Oz.
• 50:34
  He's part of the front three.
• 50:35
  No, no, stop, Oz.
• 50:36
  You can't be doing this.
• 50:37
  But if you're talking about front three, then Cristiano Ronaldo is technically amazing, physically amazing.
• 50:46
  He won the Ballon d'Or and he hit it with Man United as well.
• 50:48
  Yeah, he won the Ballon d'Or.
• 50:50
  Cristiano Ronaldo is potentially in there and Henry is potentially in there.
• 50:53
  yeah but the word is that's making no really place for gigs and he was the best as an out and out winger so let's just be that's all we're playing 4-4 fucking 2 alright and we're having two wingers Benson and Edges playing Benson and Edges down the wings so we're doing a 4-4-2 is he is he a traditional winger
• 51:17
  I don't think he gets in a four-man midfield because of the way he plays.
• 51:21
  If you're playing 4-4-2, he's got to be considered a striker, I think.
• 51:25
  Which I can't consider him a striker.
• 51:27
  I'm not putting him up front.
• 51:28
  No chance.
• 51:29
  Exactly.
• 51:30
  So he doesn't get in there.
• 51:31
  He doesn't get in there.
• 51:33
  I can't play him as a midfielder on the right.
• 51:35
  He doesn't do any of the jobs that a midfielder needs to do.
• 51:38
  He is a winger.
• 51:40
  So...
• 51:43
  Take Henri out the question He doesn't get in 4-3-3 He doesn't get in 4-4-2 Well actually he does get in 4-4-2 Because I'm picking Salah I'm picking Salah over Giggs Would you have Giggs Over him Or Hazard I might even have Gareth Bale Oh yeah Wow Gareth forgot about Bale Yeah but he didn't show the form he showed in Madrid In the Premier League
• 52:10
  Would you take all three of them over Salah?
• 52:11
  Talking about players.
• 52:12
  Yeah, I think I would, yeah.
• 52:13
  I wouldn't take three players over Salah.
• 52:15
  I think I would.
• 52:16
  Ozzy's on the wind up here.
• 52:17
  Yeah, you're going to get the bitter blue shot here.
• 52:20
  It's very good.
• 52:20
  It is very good.
• 52:21
  I do like it.
• 52:22
  I'm encouraging it.
• 52:22
  I do like it a little bit.
• 52:24
  Yeah.
• 52:24
  I do like it, though.
• 52:25
  I definitely do like it.
• 52:26
  I mean, I'm supporting it in the background, but I'm trying it.
• 52:29
  Yeah.
• 52:29
  But I'm putting any Liverpool players in our Premier League to you.
• 52:33
  No, to be fair, if you go 4-3-3,
• 52:36
  Salah doesn't get in.
• 52:38
  And that's just... Because no one's to... You've got to find a place for Ronaldo or Rui.
• 52:45
  and Rooney.
• 52:45
  They've got to be in your front three.
• 52:47
  Yeah.
• 52:48
  Not Alan Shearer.
• 52:49
  Not Aguero.
• 52:50
  I agree.
• 52:52
  I agree.
• 52:53
  So Salah's got no arguments in a 4-3-3.
• 52:55
  There's just no, there's no argument there because there's, like he's just Aguero and Shearer.
• 52:59
  Like, I even have to put Shearer in.
• 53:02
  No, sorry, I'm missing out the best.
• 53:03
  I have to put Haaland in.
• 53:05
  So, there is no like, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:08
  In a 4-3-3, Salah's not getting in.
• 53:10
  In a 4-4-2 conventional system with wingers, I'm thinking, I'm thinking,
• 53:15
  Does he get ahead of Giggs?
• 53:16
  Does he get ahead of...
• 53:17
  I don't know.
• 53:18
  But he wants to play on the right, so you've got the likes of Beckham that played on the right.
• 53:22
  You've got Werther Trabruyne if it's in the 4-4-2.
• 53:25
  He takes Beckham's place.
• 53:28
  Yeah, if he used better than Beckham in the Prem.
• 53:30
  He takes Beckham's place.
• 53:31
  He does, Oz.
• 53:32
  I don't know.
• 53:33
  I think you're too young to remember Beckham Liam properly.
• 53:36
  I'm the same age as you, that fucker.
• 53:38
  I had him on the back of my shirt.
• 53:40
  You must be too young.
• 53:42
  You must be.
• 53:42
  Beckham was an unbelievably gifted player.
• 53:45
  Do you know what?
• 53:46
  I wonder how many assists he's got in his career.
• 53:48
  Right, I've got to go.
• 53:49
  Yeah, yeah.
• 53:50
  Well, well, I've got to follow someone.
• 53:52
  Hey, that's your pervert job for next week, Liam.
• 53:55
  Yeah.
• 53:56
  I'm on it.
• 53:56
  I'm on it.
• 53:57
  Let's certainly just be honest, I'm not trying to categorise anyone, but it is pervert behaviour when fellas are going on back in games from decades ago.
• 54:05
  That's fine.
• 54:06
  If you look at Ian Rush's career, and there is weirdos out there who do this for a living, they will look at Ian Rush's career and find out how many assists he got.
• 54:14
  Do you know how many games you're going to have to look through to find them out?
• 54:18
  It is frightening.
• 54:19
  So all you weirdos listening, just understand, that's what my wife calls you.
• 54:24
  And I'm not going to lie, I didn't make that word, but I'm just repeating what she says.
• 54:26
  He's thrown his wife under the bus.
• 54:28
  I know, yeah.
• 54:30
  She calls me a pair of ears every time I put on golf clothes.
• 54:33
  So it doesn't make no difference.
• 54:35
  That's what she says about me.
• 54:36
  She says, girl, she's a pair of ears.
• 54:37
  It knocks me sick.
• 54:39
  I'm just like, no problem.
• 54:40
  I'm trying to stay in golf clothes all the time now.
• 54:42
  So is it not a problem at all?
• 54:44
  Well, guys, I'm going to go.
• 54:45
  It's been a pleasure.
• 54:46
  No problem.
• 54:47
  See you.
• 54:47
  Catch you later.