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None. A hamster with a blunt.
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Penknife. We're doing quicker, quicker.
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Hello, and welcome to Hamster with Blunt.
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Penknife on tour in London with my special celebrity guest, Mr.
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Simon Hart. Hello.
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Hello. Well, how are you doing today?
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All right, look. We're in Saint James's Park.
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We are, which is a lovely bit of breakfast.
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We have, which was that lunchtime.
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Well, could you, would you care to tell the listeners why we are
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here in London today? Well, a, we're having a nice day
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out together, but B we should be invited to the premiere of the
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Doctor Who Christmas special. Unbelievable.
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We didn't. Say that we refused to be those
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smug assholes. We've seen it and you haven't,
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because I've seen a bit of that going on this last couple of
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weeks. So we aren't going to be like
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that, are we? No, no.
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In fact, I wondered if you were even going to mention it then
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when I just said that. Oh no, I was.
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I'm very excited. Now this is obviously the 4th
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special. Yes, that we've had.
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Well, technically, no. It's the Well.
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God, how many traded? Which ones were either?
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The Daleks. Legend of the Sea Devils Power
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of the So this is #7. OK, well look, let's wind back
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time a little bit then to evil dialects.
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Yes, because I'm going to stop off in various parts of London
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and get your opinion on these stories leading up to this.
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One OK, so Eva the Dialects is my favorite Jodi story.
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Ever. Ever of all them all.
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I just think it was brilliant. It was really contained.
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It was clever, It was funny, it was moving.
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And yeah, I I just thought it was really smart and just peak
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Chip nor Dalek story, because he's really good at Dalek
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stories and he doesn't get enough kudos for that.
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And that was just brilliant and clever.
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It was a bit of a finger in the eye to people that said he
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couldn't do character. Exactly, because he could.
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You had that brilliant character Sarah, as made by.
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Ashlyn Bean. Thank you.
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Oh, she wasn't. She was really great, yeah.
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And the lines will be closed at midnight.
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No, they won't, Mummy. And but also we had the sort of
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Doctor Yaz. Yeah, we've.
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Been going on and Dan? Woken up where?
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She says I I've never felt like this.
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Another woman. I don't know what I'm feeling.
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Exactly. So yeah, So that was that
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brilliant story. And really, unexpectedly
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brilliant. So that's our first special.
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The second one, then, is the the much celebrated legend of the
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Seed of All. Well, it's just a mess, isn't
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it? But I.
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Look what say what you really think.
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But there are some really good bits in it.
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I haven't actually seen it for quite a while.
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Now re watched it and if I'm honest.
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Yeah, and that That's quite telling.
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So I've rewatched Power of the Doctor.
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About 50, so I think it was just a bit of a mess, but I think it
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was a mess because of making it during COVID, having to things
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fall apart around them unexpectedly.
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And I don't think it all quite came together how it should have
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how they planned it to. But it was good.
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Yeah, the Sea Devils looked brilliant and they were really
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nicely done. Finally, I could say to my uncle
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who ever since the BBC Two repeat in the 1990s, mocked
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Doctor Who the monsters where the eyes don't move.
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Well now I can say fuck you Uncle Brian, the eyes are
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moving. They've got CGI eyes now.
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Sorry Uncle Brian, I didn't mean say fuck.
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You in case. Yes, you're listening.
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But you know, again some of it is a fan expectation and and
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Toby Haydock's brilliant anticipointments where everyone
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got so excited by seeing the Sea Devils back in the in the
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previous trailer that they built it up into something it was
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never going to be. And maybe in a few years time it
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will be slightly re evaluated and people will say wasn't that
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bad. Sly, Fraser said.
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Isn't it? Of course you have to get in
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here somewhere. Of course.
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You put the word special in and people expect something special.
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Exactly. Whereas actually this is just
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Doctor Who. It just special basically means
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something different from the norm.
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Yeah. And this is just a bit longer.
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Yeah, exactly. Also, I did love the bit under
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the sea. Yeah, that was.
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Beautiful, wasn't it? That was great.
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Yeah, Well. The fish going around it
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gorgeous. OK, well, look, we'll skip very
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briefly over Power of the Doctor.
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We did a three hours on that. Did you like it?
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Yeah, I loved it. Of course I loved it.
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Can I say something a little controversial?
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Yeah, I don't think we've seen a special in RTD Two.
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Yeah, that has looked as expensive as.
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Paramodopter. Nothing has looked quite as good
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as that train sequence at the star or or the Clorox on the
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planet and. That gorgeous ballroom, yeah.
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Exactly you. Know pulls off his regeneration
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tricks. In so and however brilliant all
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these specials have been directed, I think Jamie Magnus
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Stone is better than all of them.
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Oh, interesting. He's a great director.
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He is a. Great director, I think, and I
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hope they'll get him back at some point.
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Well, this is our 5 minutes in the Saint James's Park.
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Thank you very much. That's all right.
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It's a pleasure. Should we walk I?
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Wonder if we should walk along to a very famous Doctor Who
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location. Trafalgar Square.
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Come on, then, let's do it. Next Excerpt Let's go So sorry,
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Where are we now in our Christmas extravaganza?
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I'm We're outside TGI Friday's in Leicester Square.
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We've just been to the Christmas market and with.
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Delicious glue vine. Is that how you say it?
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I think so. My wine?
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I'll say it, you know? And so the next thing I'd like
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to ask you about, please is 2 Christmas gifts.
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That we got OK. One was the Daleks in colour,
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and the Alpha was a new version of an adventure in space and
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time. Let's start with the Daleks.
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It was weird with the no, no, no.
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It was because I'm. I was working late that night
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and I came in halfway through and put it on and I was
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completely flummoxed because it was just like this overwhelming
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sensory thing of colour and noise and the music was wrong
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and everything was just wrong. And I thought, this is awful and
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I had to stop, walk. I had to stop watching.
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And I thought, maybe I need to just watch this from the start
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and maybe I'll get it, which I did the next day.
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And it was great. But just for that moment I was
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just like, no, this isn't the what's going on?
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What? Why?
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Why? You know what my reaction to
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that was, don't you? Yes, I do, because we had a
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discussion about this on our group chat with Fraser.
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Which has been noted I can be occasionally emotional.
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Once or twice. I loved it though, I just
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thought as a way of making it accessible for kids today.
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Although Mark's mother watched it, right?
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And she said to us on a Zoom chat.
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Oh, wasn't it slow and. That was fast, but there there
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were some great bits that the way they did the Dalek escape
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was brilliant and the music in that bit was great.
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I'm not sure the whole score was was terrific, the new bits from
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Marquez, but that bit was really fantastic.
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I I just thought it was very judiciously edited, Yes.
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So all the plot points were there and they didn't skip over
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all of the emotional and character moments?
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No. No, no, there were were a few
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there still. So yeah, I thought it was a
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really interesting experiment. Well then, did you watch An
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Adventure with Space and Time? Yes, because that was on
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afterwards. So yeah, I wasn't going to.
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And then I thought, oh, it's just started.
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Did you suspect anything? Well, everyone had said, oh,
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well, you know what's going to happen at the end.
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So yes, I did kind of realise that something was probably
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going to be different at the end and then it was lovely.
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Can I ask what's her little tingle in your boxer shorts when
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you saw for the first time? It's just that wink that was so
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doctoring He's. So charismatic he is.
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The charisma just comes in waves off the screen and you can see
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exactly why Russell cast him because it's just like, wow, I
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it's it's really interesting because back in 2013 seeing Matt
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Smith there made me cry, but this made me excited for what
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was to come, whereas we were. Whereas the previous time I was
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crying for the whole Hartnell, seeing the future, this time it
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was like some it's still going and it's going to get.
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It's something great is coming. And Gates did say, didn't he?
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They deliberately did it that way so you could superimpose in
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any doctor. Absolutely.
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You can imagine Peter Capaldi with his attack eyebrows looking
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grumpy at William Hartnell because he Jody just said Oh,
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brilliant. Is an adventure in Space and
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Time still the best thing that Gates has done for Doctor Who?
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Yep, including his books. Oh, well, I did love Nightshade,
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so me too. It's yeah, I think it's it's the
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most moving love letter to the early years of the show.
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And that, and that's the thing about the Daleks as well, was
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that ending with all the recolorized clips from different
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stories and just seeing the giant Wasps as they're now known
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in my house, do. You know what?
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Mark couldn't handle the amount of juice that was coming out.
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And I'd say, I mean, I was screaming.
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Yeah. Oh my God.
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And then I loved the direction of Oh my God, they found the
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massacre when it was quite obviously a clip from the time
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Meddler. You fools.
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Don't you know anything? You look Doctor.
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Who we shall send you back to your beloved Goddess.
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People are looking at us. Right now.
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In the middle of Leicester. Square.
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That's fine, so. Yeah, I mean, we're so handsome.
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People are usually looking at us, so I.
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So yeah, that that was a that was a lovely evening.
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My last question to you and this little segment then is what
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would you like to see coloured and re edited next?
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Well, I was thinking about this and the answer is Tomb of the
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Cybermen. Does it need editing?
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Not. Really.
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Well, maybe you can tighten up a few bits, But I was thinking
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about this because my mum, My wonderful mum, has been watching
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Doctor Who from the start on iPlayer and we were having a
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long chat because Tomb of the Cybermen, What she said was the
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scariest Doctor Who story that she remembered from when she was
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a kid. And I'm just thinking that would
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yeah, that would be such a great story to Colourise and you could
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tighten it up slightly. It doesn't need a lot more.
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So if you take that down to 75 minutes, you'll use lose in 15.
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Minutes. So I have heard rumours it could
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be the War Games. Well, that would take some
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editing. To edit that down to. 70
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minutes? Yeah.
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I'm not sure about that. I think Tomb would be a a good
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one. It's the second biggest enemy.
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I think it's it's got lots of iconic moments, things that
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people remember. My mum always said she
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remembered the side of men coming out of the tombs really
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well. So I think there's that epic
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nature to that story that would go down well.
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Are you? Listening to this Russell T
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Davis. I should hope so.
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With the Gayest Podcast going and then my last question, now I
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realized I said to my. Penelope.
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Yeah. OK, My last question.
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Is Who marked the anniversary better?
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Moffett with adventurous Base of Time and Day of the Doctor,
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Chipnall with Power of the Doctor, or Russell with the
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Daleks in Colour and The Three Specials.
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Oh God, it's really hard because I remember the 50th with such
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fondness and there was such a wave of excitement about the
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50th that I don't think has quite been matched this year,
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although we've had lots of stuff this year.
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But I think The Day of the Doctors seems so big at the time
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and seeing that in the cinema was such a brilliant and special
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experience with my friends and and yeah, I I think the 50th was
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probably the peak for me. I'm going to disagree, of
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course. You.
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Would And it's not just because I'm not anti Moffett, as I have
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proven recently, but doing many a commentary on Moffett stories
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I love. It's just because I feel like
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the 50th was a great celebration of new series.
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And it wasn't inclusive, necessarily of everything else.
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I actually think Chibnall did a better job of celebrating the
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Classic series and Power of the Doctor.
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Absolutely. But actually, I think what
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Russell did that neither of the others did.
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Was celebrate it all. Well, and to pave the way for a
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really exciting new future there, the Doctor ended with
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Matt Smith still in the role. Power of the Doctor ended with
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David Tennant back in the role these specials have ended with.
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Shooty Gatwa. Come in, Yeah, And aside from
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being the hottest man in Doctor Who, it just offers so much
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promise. Yeah, and I'm not sure there was
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that same wave of optimism about Peter Capaldi coming.
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No Doctor. Doctor Who fans were very
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excited because he's a brilliant actor, but I don't think there
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was that that same level publicly.
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You know that bit where he walked out the door in the, you
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know, the the BBC Three special? Yeah, with Joe.
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What's the face? Joe Wiley.
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Yeah, and he almost looked embarrassed himself, like, oh,
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everyone's going to hate me. Why are you doing this?
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Yeah. Why are you making me?
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Shame, because he was fabulous. He was.
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He was, And he he'd been the person that I'd wanted to be the
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Doctor since the series had come back.
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But he wasn't my Doctor. What may I suggest?
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We move on to our next location and we can discuss the latest
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specials, right? So let's go.
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So here we are on our whirlwind tour of London as we await the
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Christmas special of Shooty Gatwa's opener.
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And I've got another question for you.
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OK, about the 60th anniversary. Of Doctor Who, Right.
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OK. So what did you think about Big
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finishes, meteoric series Once and Future celebrating 60 years
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of Doctor Who? Oh God, it was shit.
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What went wrong? Everything.
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Look, some of the individual stories were OK, but they were.
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No, no, they weren't. But what went wrong was there
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was nothing new there whatsoever.
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All they did was celebrate what Big Finish does, and it wasn't.
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It was like we can put this and this together to make this and
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that will do. And it was It was creatively
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bankrupt. The nerve of the Big Finish
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intern putting up that random story generator where it puts in
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four random elements from Big Finish ranges, yes, whilst once
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the future was doing that exact. Thing.
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Oh God, yeah. And it was also inconsequential
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and they could have done a really great linked story
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crossing different doctors, eras and.
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But no, it was just like, oh, you're going to look for a
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diamond. Oh, you need some sand.
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Oh, passing the. Bastard, wasn't it?
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Yeah, it's like the best one I think was Peter Davison because
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it had something to say. The others had nothing to say
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and it just came away thinking, well that's just a thing.
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It's just happened and and even and even went to the the with
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the the calling one of actually that really didn't happen and
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they've created this beautiful relationship between Jackie and
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Christina and then wiped it like it never happened.
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So what was the fucking point? It it tried to be celebratory.
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You're right, it ended up being utterly inconsequential.
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Interestingly, we were just inside Forbidden Planet, and
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Sire revealed that he, in fact, hadn't listened to the final
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part. Oh, sorry.
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The penultimate part. The final part coming out this
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year. The union.
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He hadn't listened to that yet, so he decided to stick it on the
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other day. Sire, any thoughts?
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I was just weary by the end of it.
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It was just like, I don't care. I don't care about the 11
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because I've never heard anything with the 11 and they
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never went to the trouble of explaining much about who the
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the two or the four or the however many there were.
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Thing was. And why should I care why you
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didn't make me care? Didn't you get hard at the
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thought of Caroline Ford coming back to Doctor Who?
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No, no, because Big Finish. I've done it several times
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already. They did it for the 30th no, the
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40th anniversary. They brought her back with
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Geoffrey Baildon. You know, and she's come back
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with Paul Mcgahn several times in his run.
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And had her own series, so it's nothing new.
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We're effectively saying then big finishes attempt to
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celebrate the 60th anniversary could do better.
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Yeah, I mean, it was. I'd not heard Christopher
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Eccleston on audio and he was really good.
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But I didn't know who the Lumiere was, and they didn't
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make any kind of concession to anyone who didn't know who the
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characters were to introduce them if they were big, finished
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characters. So why should I care?
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Well, I don't think many people did care if I'm honest.
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Has it enticed you to go on because there's so many ranges
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intersecting in once and future? Has it enticed you to go on and
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explore further? Big Finish.
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No, the problem is it's put me off buying any more Big Finish
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and you know, because this was my my sort of dipping my toes
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and it sounded very exciting from all the marketing and I
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thought, well, this would be a good way of coming back, but now
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I don't, I have no goodwill towards them at all.
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Well, here we are, live from Trafalgar Square.
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Big finishers now officially debunked by absura blunt
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penknife. I suppose we should move on to
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our next location. I.
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Think so. OK.
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And then we promise we'll talk about the David Tennant specials
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right toe. So what?
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What? That might give you a clue of
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where we're standing at the moment.
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Or you might think so I was having.
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A stroke. One or the other.
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And it wasn't David Tennant, I was thinking.
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So where have we come now in our magical mystery tours?
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We're in front of County Hall next to the London Eye.
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Prominently featured in Rose and We've Just Gone past.
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Big Ben and Westminster Bridge. We didn't hold hands.
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Prominently featured in. Rose.
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I mean, I haven't. Had the garlic invasion of
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Earth. I've held his arm every time
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he's crossed the road. He's quick, he's a bit quick to
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cross the road, this one. I've got long legs.
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He does have long legs. We've discovered that Big Ben
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is, in fact, the only thing taller.
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Than so it's. True in London.
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So sorry. OK, have you got a question?
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For me I do. I do.
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Interesting. It's surprisingly.
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And it's about the current. Special one, could we?
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Just take them one at a time. We get your opinion on the three
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of them. Let's start with the Star Beast.
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Loved it. Having grown up knowing the
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comic strip which I have known for a very long time, it was
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lovely to see a comic strip story acknowledged in the show
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and Beat Meet the most High of all.
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Beat the Most high of All. Meeps is so good and was so
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brilliantly made and created and beautiful and lovely.
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And the story was great and just the instant we're not even
20:21
holding back from the Doctor. And Donna meeting was so
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fantastic And David Tennant was so brilliant back because he's
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learnt a lot in 15 years and I love his new Doctor more than I
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loved his old Doctor. Interesting.
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And I did like his old Doctor, but this this incarnation has
20:39
been fascinating so. I said in in the longer review I
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did that suddenly like doctor's got massive heart again.
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Now I realise I'm contradicting myself because I think Power of
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the Doctor had huge. Yeah, exactly.
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And we we discussed that, didn't we?
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And yeah, yeah, I've got a bit. Mushy.
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Yes, it was like. You, me and Fraser were getting
20:56
married. But yeah, there there's just
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something about the Russell T Davis families I think, that
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gets you. And you know what isn't?
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It, yes, it's so warm. What I loved was 15 years had
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passed for all those characters and particularly Sylvia, who I
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absolutely loved before, but now I just, I just want to hug her
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because she's she's turned so much and she was so brilliant
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and so funny. The scene where she's trying to
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get the pronouns right. Yeah, that was so moving.
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And then next thing she's trying to hide the Doctor Who's you
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can't see him. There's nothing to see.
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Here, skinny. Man, and just that furious you
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was so and she got to slap him. Finally, the.
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Funniest bit for me was when they was all creeping past that
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man asleep on the yes right and meat goes past and poor
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Jacqueline King has to wait for that fucking puppet to.
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And she saw it going. Is it moving?
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Is it? Oh, it was.
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Fab. Whenever The fact that they made
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an animatronic puppet, yeah, that's where the money was.
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I'm hoping we're going. To see more practical effects.
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Going yes, because I think they worked brilliantly through all
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of these specials. I did love the visual weirdness
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of flux I've talked about. It at great.
22:13
Length. But you can go CGI crazy, and I
22:16
do like physical. Effects, yes.
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And I think there's something about physical effects that that
22:20
work. So yeah, I really enjoyed that
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episode and I had the great pleasure of watching it with the
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wonderful Brendan Jones, who I hadn't seen for four years.
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And so that made it extra special and Colin and Rod as
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well, but that that. Not to denigrate your.
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Colin But you know, there was something about being reunited
22:40
with an old, but being reunited with an old friend when old
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friends were being reunited was something quite special.
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So that was yeah, that was that was good podcasting.
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That wasn't it. I think I've done this before,
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once you are. So hard from podcasting?
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Exactly. Now which podcast have you not
22:59
been on? There's quite a few, OK,
23:02
actually, there's a hell of. A lot, as long as you're still
23:03
answering the phone to me. All right, every time.
23:07
So now on to I believe I'm not out of line of saying both of
23:10
our favourites of the three Wild Blue Yonder.
23:16
I was surprised because like, well, obviously because everyone
23:19
was surprised because we didn't know anything about this one and
23:21
I didn't know what to expect. Were you?
23:23
Expecting big things. No, that every time some fans
23:33
sees don't know anything, they automatically oh, it's going to
23:36
be Peter Capaldi, it's going to be Matt Smith, it's going to be
23:38
Jodie Whittaker is back in this one.
23:41
Susan's coming back. Of course they're not.
23:45
No. Yeah.
23:46
And so I went in thinking, none of that's going to happen, but I
23:50
did have a moment where they walked into the control room and
23:52
I thought, or there's all these weird pods in there, maybe the
23:55
old doctors are going to be in there or something.
23:57
And then I thought, Nah, don't be silly because it wasn't that
24:00
kind of story and it's not those kind of specials.
24:02
And this, I was on the edge of my seat throughout it because I
24:07
didn't know what was going to happen.
24:09
It was. And of course, Russell is smart
24:14
enough to know he's got 2 brilliant actors coming back.
24:18
You're going to give them the most screen time you can give
24:21
them. And so basically it's a two or
24:24
four hander or a big hander maybe.
24:26
I beg your pardon? Because they've got big.
24:29
The the hands are wrong. I.
24:30
Think you've given a few big hands in your time?
24:33
Sorry, sorry, we need Fraser. Here.
24:36
So I've just thought it was brilliant and just that moment
24:41
where suddenly you realise the Doctor's in the room with Donna,
24:45
but Donna's also in the room with the Doctor and it did take
24:48
me a while to realise that that can't be.
24:52
Oh, and that was great, I'll tell you.
24:55
What? I've not been that unsettled.
24:57
By Doctor for a long. Time in the new series, I don't
25:00
think not like that, no. And by the time we got to a bit
25:03
where they're running down the corridor, they're trying to stop
25:05
the bomb, Donna's being left behind.
25:07
And it was the. Wrong, Donna.
25:09
Oh my God, I wasn't. It like, did you have a moment
25:11
where you thought they'd killed the wrong one and she was going
25:14
to die? Yeah, I'm still.
25:15
Here. And it was just no.
25:19
Is this setting something up with Evil Donna and oh?
25:22
They would look on evil Donna's. Face.
25:23
Yeah, that triumph. Oh my God.
25:26
And weren't they both brilliant at being evil and good?
25:31
Clearly, some other fans of Wild Blue Yonder are about to walk
25:35
past. They are.
25:36
Oh my God. Well, OK, Shall we try and move
25:43
on to the giggle? Yes, What they're singing about,
25:47
I don't know. They've stopped now.
25:51
Oh, it's probably football. No, they're clearly big fans of
25:55
the Giggle. OK, So what about The Giggle?
25:58
The giggle? Really.
25:59
On. It's great.
26:01
What's the? Name.
26:02
Oh God. I kind of knew this was going to
26:06
be the epic one and going to be big because we knew certain
26:09
things. We knew the toy maker was going
26:11
to be in it. We didn't know whether the toy
26:13
maker would have been in the three episodes or not.
26:17
And. Can I say a few words please and
26:19
get like an instant one sentence reaction?
26:21
OK, Neil Patrick Harris. Fabulous.
26:24
What I we meet again? Doctor and Michael Goff been
26:31
shown. Yes, and Hartnell colorized And
26:34
I'll. Say it a million times.
26:36
I'm so pleased. The games they played were
26:38
simple, yes. Like the original one and people
26:41
were were complaining that they were were simple, it was just a
26:44
ball game and he he didn't catch it.
26:47
But of course, that's how you trap the toy maker, because he's
26:49
probably banned by the rules and he will play to the rules of the
26:52
game. How simple.
26:54
Yeah, exactly. And so that's the way you
26:56
defeated by beating him at a game, and it's a game of chance.
26:59
They couldn't. The Doctor could have lost
27:01
there, but he didn't. Bonnie Langford back as Mel.
27:04
I screamed because we kind of knew and I think we've kind of
27:08
worked out, but just seeing her there and just that little,
27:12
little conversation between her and the doctor was just
27:15
beautiful. Have a long glitch had.
27:17
A one years old. Viking funeral, didn't they?
27:20
And then she wanted to come home.
27:22
Brilliant. That's how you do it.
27:23
You don't need to do things. And I know there are.
27:26
There's a friend of mine who said, well, it wasn't like a
27:28
school reunion story, but it wasn't designed to be a school.
27:31
It's keep doing. No, there's only so many times
27:33
you can do that. In fact, I loved how she went.
27:35
Look, things are tense right now.
27:37
We can't. We'll have our moment in a
27:38
minute. And Mad Mad Auntie Mel?
27:40
Good. OK, my next thing there is Donna
27:44
and the dolls. I want to say the rhyme.
27:47
OK. Oh, my name's Donna and you're a
27:52
gonna fabulous. I didn't.
27:55
Think I'd see kids being frightened like that on No.
27:57
Oh, that. Wasn't Christmas?
27:59
Day was it? What am I talking about?
28:01
But those puppets were brilliant and they were proper physical
28:04
puppets as well. And again, we talked earlier
28:07
about the companion puppets and Neil Patrick Harris doing that
28:12
himself. Because he's a puppeteer.
28:14
Because of course he is. I love the flux coming down and.
28:17
All the planets and then cutting.
28:19
Shivnall references go on, Russell.
28:21
Exactly. And it, Yeah.
28:23
By regeneration or by regeneration?
28:27
Well, you know, I have no problem with this at all because
28:31
you could do anything in Doctor Who.
28:33
And why not? This is Russell being savvy.
28:36
I'm thinking, well if we do want to bring back old doctors in the
28:40
in the future then we've now got to get out clause where they can
28:43
be a bit older and we can have Peter Capaldi teaching at the at
28:48
the university for the rest of his life.
28:49
Like Professor Cronotis, the War Doctor can be happy at the end
28:53
of his life. Matt Smith can live 1000 years
28:58
on Trends of Law again. My God, it's a union.
29:03
Helicopter carrier the TARDIS we've.
29:05
Chosen the most dramatic moment to record this segment, haven't
29:09
we? So, you know, I think that's a.
29:13
Smart move. I saw Shooty Gatwa's bulge in
29:17
his underwear. Well, you.
29:18
Couldn't help but you couldn't miss it, could you?
29:21
He was so it just came off the screen in waves.
29:24
Didn't it? I mean, tenant and shooty
29:26
together, Yeah. And.
29:28
Yeah, I've long had this this wish where they did a
29:31
regeneration story where the Doctor regenerated halfway
29:34
through and the new Doctor had to solve.
29:37
Had to solve the adventure left by dealing with this I believe.
29:42
Fraser wasn't keen on. That well he, Well, Fraser was
29:44
ever keen on anything, is he? Stranger, I rather wonder, you
29:48
know that if you try to pull me open like a Christmas.
29:51
What would you find? That you and Fraser would come
29:53
popping out. I'm not pulling.
29:56
I'm not pulling. I always like to think of you
29:58
and Fraser inside me somewhere. Although you'd probably pop out
30:03
of my arse, wouldn't you? Sorry, Fraser.
30:07
Although if it meant for the rest of the day the two of you
30:10
would be walking around in your underwear, I'm prepared to be
30:12
pulled. OK, sorry.
30:15
I can't even follow that. So do you like the idea of the
30:19
Doctor settling down? Allah Douglas Adams.
30:21
Yes, I thought that was lovely. And that is just because they're
30:24
right. They had that long list at the
30:27
end of all the things they've been running from, right from
30:30
the start, from Mavic Chen to the Key to Time to all of this.
30:34
And it's true, The Doctor never stops to deal with the
30:37
consequences of what's happened because you're off to the next
30:41
adventure. Jodi said.
30:42
That in in Irving that you're always running to the next thing
30:46
because that's what you do. You run away from everything.
30:48
It was like he saw that bit. It is maybe, yeah.
30:51
I'm going to do something with that.
30:53
And how brilliant, yeah? Well listen, Next up we are
30:57
heading to the BFI. We are to watch the Christmas
31:01
special. Oh my God, the church on Ruby
31:05
Rd. We'll.
31:05
Be introduced to Ruby to the Doctor properly.
31:10
We'll hear the Goblin song on the big.
31:11
Screen We'll see Anita Dobson oh.
31:14
Dad, hopefully one of us will suck off shooting.
31:27
So here we are at the bar of the VFI awaiting the premiere of
31:32
Church of Ruby Rd. SI How's your day been?
31:35
It's been really good, but I'm very excited now.
31:38
We certainly have not just played in the BFI bar top five
31:43
Doctor Who fans. We'd have it off.
31:45
With have we? Definitely not.
31:47
And just before, in case anyone's thinking about it, yes,
31:50
it is you. Definitely you.
31:53
Si especially one of you and you together.
31:57
You will never know. Filthy.
31:59
You are. That's between the two of us.
32:02
So how are you feeling? Nervous and excited.
32:06
I don't know why because I've never done anything quite like
32:09
this before. I think this is.
32:12
Yeah, I so. Because we we've been
32:14
speculating all afternoon who might be here.
32:17
And then you think about who might be here and then you go,
32:19
Oh my God, if I. Don't have a threesome?
32:22
We're shooting at Russell by the end of the day and I'm in
32:25
control of Doctor Who by the end of the night.
32:28
We're all in trouble, very. Disappointed.
32:30
Yes. Well, we can only assume that
32:34
all the people around us in the bar right now are in fact
32:36
industry experts. Well, this is not well.
32:38
We do keep looking round to see if there's people we recognise
32:41
or or whatever. Don't we?
32:42
So then I'll remember we in fact don't know any.
32:45
No, exactly. So.
32:47
And we are not industry experts, no.
32:49
But I think we're posing as industry experts, Yes, tonight.
32:51
Because I don't. I'm not sure.
32:53
If this fan's invited. No, I don't think there are.
32:55
I think this is. This is like the Super deluxe.
32:58
Plan. Exactly.
32:59
This is the TV critics of the newspapers and the big magazines
33:03
and and things. So once we've been let in, we'll
33:06
do a small recording in there, and then once the show is over,
33:10
we will be giving our spoiler free.
33:12
Yep, let's say that. Again, spoiler free, because
33:15
we're not going to ruin it for anyone.
33:17
Opinion of the Church. Of Ruby Rd.
33:20
Of course, we can already say that the Goblins song is
33:23
fantastic. Well, I can't.
33:24
I haven't heard it yet. But I have.
33:27
OK. I was getting huge labyrinth
33:29
vibes. Good.
33:30
Oh, I love Labyrinth. What's high?
33:31
Are you ready to go in? Yes, I am.
33:35
Woo. So sorry, here we are at the
33:45
reception, the pre reception to the Christmas special, What's
33:48
been occurring. Well, we've just passed Anita
33:51
Dobson and Brian May at the bar. We have.
33:54
We have had a photo with the TARDIS, the actual TARDIS.
33:58
And a special video taken with special effects behind us, Yeah.
34:01
We went on the Big Blue background with the official
34:05
Doctor Who thing. We've been drinking the
34:08
complimentary wine and eating the complimentary blinis.
34:12
And we met this guy Russell someone.
34:15
Russell. Who?
34:16
Russell. Oh, Russell.
34:18
Is he involved in this? I think so, yeah.
34:20
Yeah, he was. He was very God.
34:22
He's a lovely man. Gorgeous, and he said we were
34:25
very polite because we waited to talk to him while he was talking
34:27
to somebody else. I threw my arms around him at
34:30
the first opportunity. This picture will be available
34:32
and. And I went back-to-back, of
34:35
course. The ultimate back to.
34:37
Back and we both told him how much we liked Wild Blue Yonder,
34:40
which he was. He sounded surprised by.
34:42
And he said he wants to do another one like that next year.
34:45
Still some? Crickets.
34:46
No, thank you. Thank you.
34:49
Obviously that's someone offering us food.
34:51
Yeah, which is lovely, but it's cheesy.
34:54
And despite all of this excitement, what we do have to
34:57
say is thank you to Tom. Yes, thank you very much, Tom
35:00
Keel for for inviting us and for making our evening.
35:03
And for just being charming and lovely as well.
35:06
Lovely, yeah. Very lovely.
35:08
Do you ever listen to this? I think you might.
35:11
I'd just like to say Bravo, our demon.
35:22
So we have just left the premiere of the Church of Ruby
35:27
Rd. We are on the way to the train
35:29
station home now, Psy. No spoilers please.
35:33
How was it? So much fun.
35:37
Amazing fun. I'm going to ask you now to
35:39
describe the Church of the Road in three words.
35:42
Spoiler free. Just three adjectives or three
35:46
three descriptive words, please. We'll go back and forth.
35:49
OK, music. Warm, funny, atmospheric
36:00
snowman. Sexy as fuck.
36:07
Oh, so much charisma. And so much style.
36:11
My God. Well, I mean, I can't really.
36:15
We can't take anything else, really, Can't we?
36:17
Because we don't want to spoil anyone's good time.
36:18
And we promised that we wouldn't.
36:20
You're going to have a good time on Christmas Day.
36:23
And we want to say as well what an amazing event they put
36:26
together. There was TARDIS shaped popcorn
36:28
on the seats. There was the TARDIS was in the
36:32
foyer. There were everyone was just
36:34
mingling. Everyone was happy.
36:36
They did a question and answer. Oh my God, the best question
36:40
ever was this little girl who said shooty.
36:43
What's best, Doctor Who or Barbie?
36:46
And Shooty's face at that was magnificent, he went.
36:50
Oh, Doctor Ken. Sorry.
36:53
How's your day been? It's been such a gorgeous day.
36:56
I've had, I've spent it with you and that's always a joy.
37:00
But it's just been this evening's just been has blown my
37:04
mind. It's just been really, really
37:06
lovely. Again, a massive thank you to
37:09
Tom who got us the tickets. Thank you so much, Tom.
37:12
And if you ever get a chance to go to one of these events, go to
37:15
them. They are fantastic.
37:17
We felt like celebrities, didn't we?
37:18
Did. And we're not celebrities at
37:20
all, but no, but they do now. I didn't.
37:24
Get to tell Rusty Davis I was a podcaster, though.
37:27
You did. You did very well.
37:30
Anyway, fabulous day. Thank you very much for sharing
37:33
it with me. Thank you, Joe, as always.