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The Boundless Dimension of Divine Love: A Potential Available to Us All with A. H. Almaas (Part 2) · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  this,
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  our
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  11th
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  conversation
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  with
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  Ah
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  Almas.
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  In
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  part
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  two
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  we
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  continue
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  to
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  swim
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  in
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  the
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  ocean
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  of
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  divine
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  love.
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  And
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  to
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  experience
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  this
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  ocean
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  is
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  a
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  potential
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  for
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  every
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  one
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  of
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  us.
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  And
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  this
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  ocean
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  constitutes
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  everything.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  deep
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  transformation.
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  Self,
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  society,
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  spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupu.
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  I
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  mean
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  it
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  seems
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  like
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  at
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  this
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  stage
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  there's
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  a
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  shift
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  in
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  the
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  sense
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  of
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  doing
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  that
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  it
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  feels
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  like
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  the
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  sense
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  of
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  doing
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  kind
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  of
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  also
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  dissolves
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  and
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  life
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  just
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  somehow
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  flows
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  through
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  and
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  it
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  feels,
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  you
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  know,
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  for
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  me
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  this
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  is
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  something
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  I'm
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  still
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  trying
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  to
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  make
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  sense
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  of
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  and
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  live
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  into.
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  I'd
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  love
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  to
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  hear
• 1:00
  you
• 1:00
  speak
• 1:00
  about
• 1:01
  this.
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  Good.
• 1:03
  So
• 1:03
  as
• 1:04
  I
• 1:04
  said,
• 1:04
  there
• 1:04
  are
• 1:04
  different
• 1:05
  ways
• 1:05
  how
• 1:06
  we
• 1:06
  can
• 1:06
  experience
• 1:07
  it
• 1:07
  different
• 1:08
  because
• 1:08
  it
• 1:09
  has
• 1:10
  this
• 1:10
  kind
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  of
• 1:11
  realization
• 1:15
  functioning
• 1:15
  in
• 1:16
  different
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  ways
• 1:17
  in
• 1:17
  terms
• 1:17
  of
• 1:17
  living.
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  One
• 1:19
  of
• 1:19
  the
• 1:19
  one
• 1:19
  is
• 1:20
  the
• 1:20
  one
• 1:20
  I
• 1:20
  mentioned
• 1:21
  that
• 1:21
  it
• 1:21
  can.
• 1:23
  This
• 1:24
  ocean
• 1:24
  can
• 1:24
  manifest,
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  can
• 1:26
  particularize
• 1:27
  itself
• 1:27
  in
• 1:28
  a
• 1:28
  certain
• 1:28
  location
• 1:29
  as
• 1:29
  an
• 1:30
  individual
• 1:30
  soul
• 1:32
  with
• 1:32
  our
• 1:32
  usual
• 1:33
  knowledge
• 1:33
  and
• 1:33
  wisdom
• 1:34
  and
• 1:35
  function.
• 1:37
  Now
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  there
• 1:38
  are
• 1:38
  two
• 1:38
  ways
• 1:39
  that
• 1:39
  can
• 1:39
  happen.
• 1:40
  From
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  the
• 1:41
  perspective
• 1:41
  of
• 1:41
  the
• 1:41
  soul
• 1:42
  or
• 1:42
  from
• 1:42
  perspective
• 1:43
  of
• 1:43
  the
• 1:43
  ocean
• 1:43
  of
• 1:43
  love.
• 1:45
  From
• 1:45
  the
• 1:45
  perspective
• 1:46
  of
• 1:46
  the
• 1:46
  soul,
• 1:46
  I
• 1:46
  am
• 1:47
  in
• 1:47
  an
• 1:47
  individual
• 1:47
  soul
• 1:48
  functioning
• 1:49
  in
• 1:49
  life,
• 1:50
  but
• 1:51
  connected
• 1:51
  to
• 1:52
  the
• 1:52
  ocean.
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  Not
• 1:53
  separate
• 1:54
  from
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  right,
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  not
• 1:56
  separate
• 1:57
  from
• 1:57
  it.
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  It
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  is
• 1:58
  my
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  ground
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  and
• 1:59
  it's
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  my
• 2:00
  nature
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  and
• 2:01
  it
• 2:02
  sort
• 2:02
  of
• 2:02
  holds
• 2:03
  me
• 2:03
  and
• 2:03
  bathe
• 2:04
  me.
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  But
• 2:04
  I'm
• 2:04
  an
• 2:04
  individual
• 2:05
  that
• 2:06
  expresses
• 2:07
  it
• 2:07
  as
• 2:07
  an
• 2:07
  individual.
• 2:08
  This
• 2:08
  is
• 2:08
  from
• 2:09
  a
• 2:09
  perspective
• 2:09
  of
• 2:10
  the
• 2:10
  individual,
• 2:12
  it
• 2:12
  can
• 2:12
  happen.
• 2:13
  The
• 2:13
  function
• 2:13
  from
• 2:14
  perspective
• 2:15
  of
• 2:15
  the
• 2:15
  ocean
• 2:15
  itself,
• 2:16
  which
• 2:16
  is
• 2:17
  the
• 2:17
  ocean
• 2:19
  can
• 2:19
  manifest
• 2:20
  us
• 2:20
  all
• 2:20
  and
• 2:21
  function
• 2:21
  through
• 2:22
  it.
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  So
• 2:23
  you
• 2:23
  feel
• 2:24
  I
• 2:24
  am
• 2:24
  a
• 2:24
  boundless
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  ocean
• 2:25
  functioning
• 2:26
  through
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  an
• 2:27
  individual.
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  Does
• 2:31
  the
• 2:31
  love
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  help
• 2:32
  dissolve
• 2:33
  the
• 2:33
  fear
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  of
• 2:34
  losing
• 2:34
  your
• 2:34
  identity?
• 2:35
  Yeah,
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  I
• 2:36
  mean
• 2:36
  love
• 2:36
  is
• 2:37
  the
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  best
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  thing
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  to
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  dissolve
• 2:38
  fear
• 2:38
  actually.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  it's
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  pretty
• 2:40
  good.
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  Perfect.
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  Love
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  casts
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  out
• 2:42
  fear,
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  John.
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  You
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  should
• 2:43
  be
• 2:43
  able
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  to
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  give
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  the
• 2:44
  person
• 2:45
  you
• 2:46
  probably
• 2:46
  could
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  love.
• 2:48
  In
• 2:49
  fact,
• 2:49
  that's
• 2:49
  what
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  I
• 2:49
  mean.
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  This
• 2:51
  dimension,
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  I
• 2:52
  think
• 2:52
  is
• 2:52
  not
• 2:52
  an
• 2:52
  accident.
• 2:53
  This
• 2:53
  teaching
• 2:54
  is
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  first
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  one
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  to
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  arise
• 2:55
  this
• 2:55
  way
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  because
• 2:57
  it's
• 2:57
  the
• 2:57
  one
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  that
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  helps
• 2:58
  more
• 2:59
  with
• 2:59
  love,
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  with
• 3:00
  fear,
• 3:01
  with
• 3:02
  resistance,
• 3:03
  with
• 3:04
  holding
• 3:05
  on
• 3:05
  to
• 3:06
  certain
• 3:07
  structures
• 3:08
  and
• 3:08
  attachments
• 3:09
  and
• 3:10
  all
• 3:10
  these
• 3:11
  things.
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  So
• 3:12
  it
• 3:12
  is
• 3:13
  panacea
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  that
• 3:14
  way
• 3:14
  as
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  universal
• 3:16
  benazir.
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  As
• 3:17
  I
• 3:17
  said.
• 3:17
  Now
• 3:18
  I
• 3:18
  talked
• 3:18
  about
• 3:18
  two
• 3:19
  ways
• 3:19
  of
• 3:19
  functionality.
• 3:21
  That
• 3:22
  I'm
• 3:22
  an
• 3:22
  individual
• 3:23
  that
• 3:23
  is
• 3:24
  like
• 3:24
  I'm
• 3:24
  a
• 3:24
  wave
• 3:25
  not
• 3:25
  separate
• 3:25
  from
• 3:26
  the
• 3:26
  ocean,
• 3:27
  or
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  am
• 3:27
  an
• 3:27
  ocean
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  is
• 3:28
  functioning
• 3:29
  through
• 3:29
  a
• 3:29
  wave,
• 3:30
  but
• 3:31
  it's
• 3:31
  not
• 3:31
  really
• 3:31
  a
• 3:32
  wave,
• 3:32
  it's
• 3:32
  an
• 3:32
  individual,
• 3:33
  you
• 3:34
  see.
• 3:34
  But
• 3:35
  there's
• 3:35
  an
• 3:35
  interesting
• 3:35
  thing
• 3:36
  how
• 3:37
  it
• 3:37
  happens.
• 3:37
  Like
• 3:38
  you
• 3:38
  feel
• 3:38
  like
• 3:39
  if
• 3:39
  you
• 3:39
  are
• 3:39
  the
• 3:40
  ocean
• 3:40
  manifesting
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  wave,
• 3:42
  you
• 3:42
  feel
• 3:42
  you
• 3:42
  are
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  ocean,
• 3:43
  you
• 3:43
  are
• 3:43
  everything.
• 3:44
  And
• 3:45
  within
• 3:45
  you
• 3:46
  there
• 3:46
  is
• 3:47
  particular.
• 3:48
  You
• 3:48
  particularize
• 3:49
  yourself
• 3:49
  in
• 3:49
  a
• 3:50
  certain
• 3:50
  location
• 3:51
  that
• 3:52
  seem
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  do
• 3:53
  all
• 3:53
  these
• 3:53
  things
• 3:54
  that
• 3:55
  are
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  functions
• 3:56
  of
• 3:56
  life.
• 3:58
  There
• 3:58
  is
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  third
• 3:59
  way,
• 4:00
  the
• 4:01
  third
• 4:01
  way
• 4:01
  that
• 4:01
  is
• 4:02
  not
• 4:02
  related
• 4:03
  to
• 4:03
  an
• 4:03
  individual
• 4:04
  soul.
• 4:04
  And
• 4:05
  I
• 4:05
  think
• 4:05
  that's
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  one
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  most
• 4:07
  non
• 4:07
  dual
• 4:07
  teachers
• 4:08
  usually
• 4:09
  talk
• 4:09
  about,
• 4:10
  which
• 4:10
  is
• 4:11
  that
• 4:12
  this
• 4:12
  ocean
• 4:13
  manifests
• 4:14
  everything,
• 4:15
  not
• 4:15
  just
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  soul.
• 4:16
  So
• 4:16
  it
• 4:17
  manifests
• 4:18
  everything
• 4:19
  and
• 4:19
  manifests
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  functioning
• 4:21
  itself,
• 4:23
  manifests
• 4:23
  walking,
• 4:24
  manifests
• 4:25
  cooking,
• 4:25
  manifests
• 4:26
  eating.
• 4:27
  So
• 4:28
  it's
• 4:28
  like
• 4:28
  all
• 4:29
  these
• 4:29
  things
• 4:30
  are
• 4:31
  formation
• 4:32
  that
• 4:32
  are
• 4:32
  appearing
• 4:33
  within
• 4:34
  this
• 4:34
  ocean.
• 4:36
  So
• 4:36
  it
• 4:36
  doesn't
• 4:36
  even
• 4:37
  need.
• 4:37
  But
• 4:38
  the
• 4:38
  only
• 4:39
  way
• 4:39
  that
• 4:39
  the
• 4:40
  soul
• 4:40
  is
• 4:40
  present
• 4:41
  is
• 4:41
  the
• 4:42
  location
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  experience.
• 4:43
  Although
• 4:44
  it
• 4:44
  manifests
• 4:44
  eating,
• 4:45
  it
• 4:45
  is
• 4:45
  in
• 4:45
  your
• 4:46
  house
• 4:46
  and
• 4:47
  not
• 4:47
  in
• 4:47
  somebody
• 4:47
  else's
• 4:48
  house.
• 4:49
  Although
• 4:49
  you
• 4:50
  have
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  feeling
• 4:50
  it's
• 4:51
  also
• 4:51
  eating
• 4:52
  in
• 4:52
  all
• 4:52
  other
• 4:53
  houses
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  amid.
• 4:54
  Would
• 4:55
  this
• 4:55
  be
• 4:55
  an
• 4:55
  example
• 4:56
  of
• 4:56
  what
• 4:56
  is
• 4:56
  spoken
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  in
• 4:57
  so
• 4:57
  many
• 4:58
  traditions
• 4:58
  as
• 4:58
  for
• 4:59
  example,
• 4:59
  the.
• 5:00
  The
• 5:00
  Chinese
• 5:01
  expression
• 5:01
  of
• 5:01
  wu
• 5:02
  wei
• 5:02
  or
• 5:03
  spontaneity
• 5:04
  or
• 5:04
  Meister
• 5:05
  Eckhart's
• 5:06
  acting,
• 5:06
  living
• 5:07
  without
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  Y?
• 5:09
  Yeah,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  mean,
• 5:10
  all
• 5:10
  the
• 5:10
  three
• 5:10
  ways
• 5:11
  include
• 5:11
  that.
• 5:12
  Actually
• 5:13
  all
• 5:13
  of
• 5:14
  them
• 5:14
  have
• 5:14
  the
• 5:15
  sense
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  flow,
• 5:17
  ease,
• 5:18
  spontaneity
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  freedom
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  sort
• 5:23
  of
• 5:23
  smoothness
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  operation.
• 5:25
  Like
• 5:26
  because
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  flow,
• 5:27
  because
• 5:28
  the
• 5:28
  love
• 5:28
  has
• 5:28
  a
• 5:29
  sense
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  smoothness,
• 5:30
  delicateness,
• 5:31
  softness
• 5:32
  that
• 5:32
  is
• 5:33
  always
• 5:33
  flowing.
• 5:34
  And
• 5:34
  this
• 5:34
  flow
• 5:35
  kind
• 5:35
  of
• 5:35
  peers
• 5:35
  as
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  soul
• 5:37
  flowing,
• 5:38
  doing
• 5:38
  thing
• 5:38
  or
• 5:39
  flowing
• 5:39
  into
• 5:40
  the
• 5:40
  soul,
• 5:40
  or
• 5:40
  just
• 5:41
  a
• 5:41
  flow
• 5:41
  that
• 5:41
  is
• 5:42
  manifesting
• 5:43
  the
• 5:43
  whole
• 5:43
  universe,
• 5:44
  manifesting
• 5:45
  everything.
• 5:46
  Like,
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  know,
• 5:47
  from
• 5:47
  that
• 5:48
  perspective,
• 5:49
  I
• 5:49
  can
• 5:49
  be
• 5:49
  this
• 5:50
  love,
• 5:51
  this
• 5:51
  ocean
• 5:52
  of
• 5:52
  lovingness
• 5:53
  that
• 5:53
  is
• 5:54
  also
• 5:55
  manifesting
• 5:56
  our
• 5:56
  talking.
• 5:58
  It
• 5:58
  appears
• 5:59
  as
• 5:59
  individual
• 6:00
  talking,
• 6:01
  but
• 6:01
  it
• 6:01
  is
• 6:02
  all
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  same
• 6:03
  love,
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  same
• 6:04
  ocean
• 6:04
  that's
• 6:04
  doing
• 6:05
  it.
• 6:06
  And
• 6:06
  would
• 6:06
  this
• 6:07
  love
• 6:07
  also
• 6:07
  dissolve,
• 6:08
  say
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  fear
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  death.
• 6:11
  All
• 6:11
  fears.
• 6:12
  If
• 6:13
  the
• 6:14
  identification
• 6:15
  is
• 6:15
  not
• 6:15
  with
• 6:15
  an
• 6:15
  individual,
• 6:16
  separate
• 6:17
  individual
• 6:18
  who's
• 6:18
  going
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  be
• 6:19
  afraid
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  death.
• 6:22
  It's
• 6:22
  usually
• 6:22
  a
• 6:23
  separate
• 6:23
  individual
• 6:24
  afraid
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  death.
• 6:25
  And
• 6:25
  part
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  fear,
• 6:26
  the
• 6:27
  fear
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  losing
• 6:27
  one
• 6:28
  separateness,
• 6:30
  separate
• 6:30
  mean
• 6:31
  your
• 6:31
  definition
• 6:32
  what
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  are.
• 6:33
  So
• 6:34
  by
• 6:35
  dissolving
• 6:35
  the
• 6:36
  fear
• 6:36
  of.
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  mean
• 6:36
  dissolving
• 6:37
  a
• 6:37
  separateness.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  fear
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  it
• 6:39
  is
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  long
• 6:40
  way
• 6:41
  into
• 6:41
  being
• 6:42
  free
• 6:42
  of
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  fear
• 6:43
  of
• 6:43
  death.
• 6:44
  Because
• 6:45
  death
• 6:45
  is
• 6:45
  death
• 6:45
  of
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  individual.
• 6:46
  But
• 6:46
  here
• 6:46
  the
• 6:47
  death
• 6:47
  individual
• 6:48
  is
• 6:48
  dying.
• 6:49
  In
• 6:49
  fact,
• 6:50
  many
• 6:50
  people,
• 6:50
  when
• 6:50
  they
• 6:51
  get
• 6:51
  this
• 6:52
  fear,
• 6:52
  they're
• 6:53
  afraid
• 6:53
  they're
• 6:53
  going
• 6:53
  to
• 6:53
  die.
• 6:54
  It's
• 6:55
  not
• 6:55
  fear
• 6:55
  I'm
• 6:56
  going
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  dissolve
• 6:56
  or
• 6:57
  I'm
• 6:57
  going
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  take
• 6:58
  it
• 6:58
  by
• 6:58
  God
• 6:58
  no
• 6:59
  fear.
• 6:59
  I'm
• 6:59
  going
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  die.
• 7:00
  That'll
• 7:00
  be
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  end.
• 7:01
  That's
• 7:02
  how
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  fear
• 7:02
  appears.
• 7:03
  The
• 7:03
  terror
• 7:03
  appears
• 7:04
  as
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  fear
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  death.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  talk
• 7:07
  about
• 7:08
  that
• 7:09
  as
• 7:09
  most
• 7:09
  intense.
• 7:11
  This
• 7:12
  experience
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  love
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  light
• 7:14
  can
• 7:14
  be
• 7:14
  so
• 7:15
  intense
• 7:15
  that
• 7:15
  it
• 7:15
  outshines
• 7:16
  all
• 7:17
  bound,
• 7:17
  not
• 7:18
  only
• 7:18
  all
• 7:18
  boundaries
• 7:19
  and
• 7:19
  dissolves
• 7:20
  all
• 7:20
  ego
• 7:20
  structures,
• 7:21
  but
• 7:21
  that
• 7:22
  it
• 7:22
  outshines
• 7:23
  all
• 7:23
  manifestation.
• 7:24
  There
• 7:24
  is
• 7:25
  only
• 7:25
  love.
• 7:25
  Light.
• 7:26
  Yes.
• 7:27
  Everything
• 7:28
  appears
• 7:28
  as
• 7:29
  made
• 7:29
  out
• 7:30
  of
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  same
• 7:30
  love.
• 7:31
  It
• 7:31
  is
• 7:32
  its
• 7:32
  nature.
• 7:33
  It
• 7:33
  is
• 7:34
  what
• 7:34
  gives
• 7:35
  them
• 7:35
  form.
• 7:36
  Like
• 7:36
  love
• 7:37
  takes
• 7:37
  forms.
• 7:38
  Basically.
• 7:39
  This
• 7:39
  is
• 7:40
  an
• 7:40
  example
• 7:40
  of
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  formless
• 7:42
  becoming
• 7:42
  form.
• 7:44
  Form
• 7:44
  and
• 7:44
  formlessness
• 7:45
  are
• 7:45
  two
• 7:46
  sides
• 7:46
  of
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  same
• 7:46
  thing.
• 7:48
  So
• 7:48
  in
• 7:48
  this
• 7:48
  dimension,
• 7:49
  form
• 7:49
  of
• 7:50
  formlessness
• 7:50
  is
• 7:51
  the
• 7:51
  same
• 7:51
  thing
• 7:51
  appears
• 7:52
  again.
• 7:52
  Because
• 7:53
  divine
• 7:54
  love,
• 7:54
  because
• 7:55
  it's
• 7:55
  formless,
• 7:56
  has
• 7:56
  no
• 7:57
  shape
• 7:57
  or
• 7:57
  size
• 7:57
  or
• 7:58
  whatever,
• 7:59
  but
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  appears
• 8:00
  as
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  forms
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  world
• 8:01
  and
• 8:01
  the
• 8:02
  form
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  the
• 8:03
  soul,
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  form
• 8:04
  of
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  desks
• 8:04
  or
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  computer,
• 8:06
  all
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  forms,
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:08
  but
• 8:08
  they
• 8:08
  are
• 8:08
  all
• 8:09
  part
• 8:10
  of
• 8:10
  it.
• 8:10
  And
• 8:11
  they're
• 8:11
  not
• 8:11
  necessarily
• 8:12
  form
• 8:13
  that
• 8:13
  are
• 8:13
  separate.
• 8:13
  They're
• 8:14
  formation
• 8:15
  within
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  same
• 8:18
  ocean.
• 8:18
  It's
• 8:18
  an
• 8:19
  interesting
• 8:19
  experience,
• 8:20
  an
• 8:20
  interesting
• 8:21
  site.
• 8:21
  There's
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  understatement
• 8:23
  of
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  day,
• 8:23
  Hamid.
• 8:25
  It
• 8:25
  is
• 8:26
  sort
• 8:26
  of,
• 8:26
  I
• 8:27
  mean,
• 8:27
  interesting
• 8:28
  and
• 8:29
  sort
• 8:29
  of
• 8:30
  magical
• 8:30
  way
• 8:31
  you
• 8:31
  could
• 8:31
  say
• 8:32
  that,
• 8:33
  that
• 8:33
  everything
• 8:34
  turns
• 8:34
  out
• 8:34
  to
• 8:35
  be.
• 8:36
  Is
• 8:37
  a
• 8:37
  formation
• 8:38
  out
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  this
• 8:39
  original
• 8:39
  substance,
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  see,
• 8:42
  this
• 8:42
  cosmic
• 8:43
  original
• 8:43
  substance
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  makes
• 8:44
  up
• 8:45
  everything.
• 8:46
  So.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:46
  Hamid,
• 8:47
  do
• 8:47
  you.
• 8:47
  Did
• 8:47
  you.
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  mean,
• 8:48
  you're
• 8:48
  here
• 8:48
  talking
• 8:49
  with
• 8:49
  us
• 8:49
  today
• 8:50
  again,
• 8:50
  for
• 8:51
  which
• 8:51
  we're
• 8:51
  very
• 8:51
  grateful.
• 8:52
  But
• 8:52
  at
• 8:52
  some
• 8:52
  point
• 8:53
  did
• 8:53
  you
• 8:54
  realize
• 8:56
  in
• 8:56
  your.
• 8:57
  From
• 8:57
  identifying
• 8:58
  in
• 8:58
  this
• 8:58
  ocean
• 8:59
  of
• 8:59
  light
• 8:59
  and
• 8:59
  love
• 9:00
  that
• 9:01
  you're
• 9:01
  the
• 9:02
  individual
• 9:02
  soul?
• 9:03
  The
• 9:03
  individual
• 9:03
  Hamid
• 9:05
  had
• 9:05
  some
• 9:05
  work
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  do
• 9:06
  here
• 9:07
  and
• 9:08
  it
• 9:08
  was
• 9:09
  continue
• 9:09
  this,
• 9:10
  this
• 9:10
  truth,
• 9:11
  this
• 9:11
  teaching
• 9:12
  continued
• 9:12
  to
• 9:13
  come
• 9:13
  through
• 9:13
  you.
• 9:14
  And
• 9:14
  that
• 9:15
  gave
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  the
• 9:15
  purpose
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  being
• 9:16
  here
• 9:17
  to,
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  share
• 9:20
  this.
• 9:20
  Because
• 9:20
  you've
• 9:21
  had
• 9:21
  an
• 9:21
  extraordinary
• 9:22
  gift
• 9:22
  or
• 9:22
  whatever
• 9:23
  reason,
• 9:23
  you
• 9:23
  know,
• 9:23
  you've.
• 9:24
  You've
• 9:24
  seen
• 9:24
  further
• 9:25
  than.
• 9:25
  Than
• 9:26
  most
• 9:26
  of
• 9:26
  us.
• 9:26
  A
• 9:27
  small
• 9:27
  understatement.
• 9:28
  So
• 9:28
  does
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  purpose
• 9:29
  also
• 9:29
  come
• 9:29
  through
• 9:30
  as
• 9:30
  an
• 9:30
  essential
• 9:31
  part
• 9:31
  of
• 9:32
  true
• 9:32
  nature?
• 9:33
  What
• 9:33
  you're
• 9:34
  supposed
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  do
• 9:34
  while
• 9:34
  you're,
• 9:35
  while
• 9:35
  you're
• 9:35
  sitting
• 9:35
  here
• 9:36
  living
• 9:37
  as
• 9:37
  an
• 9:37
  individual?
• 9:39
  It
• 9:39
  depends
• 9:40
  on.
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  talked
• 9:42
  about
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  three
• 9:42
  ways
• 9:43
  of
• 9:43
  experiencing,
• 9:44
  functioning.
• 9:45
  If
• 9:45
  experience
• 9:46
  myself
• 9:46
  as
• 9:46
  a
• 9:47
  soul,
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  is
• 9:48
  individual
• 9:49
  soul,
• 9:50
  that
• 9:50
  is
• 9:50
  not
• 9:50
  separate
• 9:51
  from
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  ocean.
• 9:52
  It
• 9:53
  has
• 9:53
  that
• 9:53
  feeling
• 9:53
  that
• 9:54
  I
• 9:54
  have
• 9:54
  a
• 9:54
  function,
• 9:55
  I
• 9:56
  have,
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  know,
• 9:57
  work
• 9:57
  to
• 9:58
  do.
• 9:58
  You
• 9:58
  know,
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  work
• 10:00
  could
• 10:00
  be
• 10:01
  cooking
• 10:01
  my
• 10:02
  meat,
• 10:02
  but
• 10:02
  also
• 10:03
  delivering
• 10:03
  a
• 10:04
  teaching.
• 10:04
  They're
• 10:04
  all
• 10:05
  from
• 10:05
  the
• 10:05
  perspective
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  divine
• 10:06
  love.
• 10:07
  They're
• 10:07
  all
• 10:07
  the
• 10:07
  same,
• 10:08
  but
• 10:09
  from
• 10:09
  a
• 10:09
  perspective
• 10:10
  being
• 10:10
  an
• 10:10
  ocean,
• 10:11
  that
• 10:11
  manifesting
• 10:11
  everything,
• 10:13
  everything
• 10:13
  is
• 10:13
  just
• 10:14
  in
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  moment,
• 10:15
  there's
• 10:15
  no
• 10:16
  thinking
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  future.
• 10:19
  There
• 10:19
  isn't
• 10:19
  the
• 10:20
  perspective
• 10:20
  of
• 10:21
  what's
• 10:22
  it
• 10:22
  going
• 10:22
  to
• 10:22
  do
• 10:23
  in
• 10:23
  the
• 10:23
  future.
• 10:23
  It's
• 10:24
  just
• 10:25
  spontaneously
• 10:26
  happening
• 10:26
  in
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  moment.
• 10:27
  It's
• 10:27
  completely
• 10:28
  in
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  now.
• 10:29
  So
• 10:30
  it's
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  purpose.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:31
  all
• 10:31
  of
• 10:31
  that
• 10:32
  is
• 10:32
  relevant.
• 10:34
  I
• 10:34
  mean
• 10:34
  there's
• 10:35
  a.
• 10:36
  Like
• 10:36
  to
• 10:37
  have
• 10:37
  you
• 10:37
  fill
• 10:38
  out
• 10:38
  a
• 10:38
  little
• 10:38
  more
• 10:39
  on
• 10:39
  something
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  alluded
• 10:40
  to,
• 10:41
  which
• 10:41
  is
• 10:41
  a
• 10:42
  particular
• 10:43
  facet
• 10:44
  of
• 10:44
  the
• 10:45
  experience
• 10:45
  of
• 10:46
  this
• 10:46
  divine
• 10:46
  love
• 10:47
  and
• 10:47
  light.
• 10:47
  And
• 10:48
  that
• 10:48
  is
• 10:48
  that
• 10:49
  you
• 10:49
  say
• 10:49
  that
• 10:49
  true
• 10:50
  nature
• 10:50
  is
• 10:50
  recognized
• 10:52
  as
• 10:52
  pure
• 10:53
  goodness,
• 10:54
  boundless,
• 10:55
  timeless,
• 10:56
  unincorruptible
• 10:58
  goodness.
• 10:59
  And
• 10:59
  therefore
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  manifest
• 11:00
  world,
• 11:01
  which
• 11:01
  is
• 11:01
  an
• 11:02
  expression
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  true
• 11:02
  nature,
• 11:03
  possesses
• 11:04
  an
• 11:04
  inherent
• 11:05
  goodness.
• 11:06
  Yeah.
• 11:06
  So
• 11:07
  this
• 11:07
  brings
• 11:07
  us
• 11:07
  back
• 11:08
  to
• 11:09
  Plato's
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  good,
• 11:10
  remember?
• 11:11
  Right.
• 11:11
  The
• 11:12
  truth,
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  highest
• 11:12
  truth.
• 11:13
  And
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  major
• 11:14
  one
• 11:14
  is
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  good.
• 11:16
  He
• 11:16
  called
• 11:17
  it
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  good.
• 11:18
  He
• 11:18
  recognized
• 11:19
  why
• 11:20
  it
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  good.
• 11:21
  Because
• 11:22
  the
• 11:23
  lovingness
• 11:24
  shows
• 11:25
  goodness
• 11:25
  much
• 11:26
  more
• 11:26
  than
• 11:26
  any
• 11:27
  other
• 11:27
  qualities,
• 11:28
  much
• 11:28
  more
• 11:29
  than
• 11:29
  awareness
• 11:29
  or
• 11:30
  emptiness
• 11:31
  or
• 11:31
  presence.
• 11:34
  Because
• 11:34
  it's
• 11:35
  love.
• 11:35
  I
• 11:35
  mean,
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  human
• 11:36
  being
• 11:36
  understands
• 11:37
  goodness
• 11:37
  related
• 11:38
  to
• 11:38
  love.
• 11:39
  So
• 11:39
  it
• 11:40
  feels
• 11:40
  as
• 11:40
  pure
• 11:41
  goodness
• 11:41
  because
• 11:41
  it's
• 11:42
  giving,
• 11:42
  it's
• 11:43
  effulging,
• 11:44
  it's
• 11:44
  dissolving,
• 11:45
  it's
• 11:45
  healing,
• 11:46
  it's.
• 11:46
  You
• 11:46
  know,
• 11:49
  it
• 11:49
  has
• 11:50
  no
• 11:50
  malice
• 11:50
  in
• 11:50
  it.
• 11:51
  You
• 11:52
  know,
• 11:52
  it
• 11:52
  has
• 11:52
  no
• 11:52
  malice,
• 11:53
  no
• 11:55
  negative
• 11:55
  emotion.
• 11:57
  It's
• 11:57
  all
• 11:58
  positivity.
• 11:59
  So
• 11:59
  the
• 12:00
  goodness
• 12:00
  is
• 12:01
  one
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  contribution
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  this
• 12:03
  dimension.
• 12:04
  It's
• 12:04
  really
• 12:04
  the
• 12:05
  goodness
• 12:05
  of
• 12:05
  true
• 12:05
  nature
• 12:06
  manifesting
• 12:07
  itself
• 12:07
  as
• 12:07
  love.
• 12:08
  Because
• 12:08
  for
• 12:09
  human
• 12:09
  beings
• 12:10
  love
• 12:10
  and
• 12:10
  goodness
• 12:11
  are
• 12:11
  sort
• 12:11
  of
• 12:11
  two
• 12:11
  sides
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  same
• 12:12
  thing.
• 12:14
  And
• 12:14
  so
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  can't
• 12:16
  tell
• 12:16
  a
• 12:16
  human
• 12:16
  being
• 12:17
  goodness
• 12:18
  is
• 12:18
  consciousness.
• 12:20
  It's
• 12:20
  hard
• 12:20
  to.
• 12:21
  For
• 12:21
  most
• 12:21
  people
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  buy
• 12:22
  that.
• 12:23
  But
• 12:23
  if
• 12:23
  you
• 12:23
  tell
• 12:24
  them
• 12:24
  love
• 12:25
  is
• 12:25
  goodness,
• 12:26
  most
• 12:26
  people
• 12:27
  agree
• 12:27
  with
• 12:27
  you.
• 12:28
  And
• 12:28
  sometimes
• 12:28
  when
• 12:28
  we
• 12:29
  do
• 12:29
  a
• 12:29
  spontaneous
• 12:30
  good
• 12:30
  thing,
• 12:31
  at
• 12:31
  least
• 12:32
  my
• 12:32
  experience,
• 12:32
  I
• 12:32
  feel
• 12:33
  close
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  God.
• 12:34
  You
• 12:34
  know,
• 12:34
  just.
• 12:35
  It's
• 12:35
  not.
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  didn't
• 12:36
  plan
• 12:36
  this
• 12:36
  out,
• 12:36
  but
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  just
• 12:37
  connect
• 12:37
  with
• 12:37
  this
• 12:38
  human
• 12:38
  being
• 12:38
  who's
• 12:39
  in
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  grocery
• 12:40
  store
• 12:40
  and
• 12:40
  figuring
• 12:41
  out
• 12:41
  how
• 12:41
  my
• 12:42
  grocery
• 12:42
  car.
• 12:42
  But
• 12:43
  make
• 12:43
  this
• 12:43
  connection.
• 12:44
  In
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  moment,
• 12:44
  fear
• 12:45
  goes
• 12:45
  away
• 12:45
  and
• 12:45
  it
• 12:46
  just
• 12:46
  feels.
• 12:46
  I
• 12:47
  feel
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  goodness
• 12:47
  of
• 12:48
  just
• 12:48
  being.
• 12:49
  Yeah,
• 12:49
  that's
• 12:50
  very
• 12:50
  cool.
• 12:50
  Very
• 12:51
  deep.
• 12:51
  Yeah,
• 12:51
  the
• 12:52
  goodness
• 12:52
  of
• 12:52
  being.
• 12:53
  Because
• 12:53
  the
• 12:54
  thing
• 12:55
  is
• 12:55
  about
• 12:55
  the
• 12:57
  sense
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  goodness
• 12:58
  in
• 12:58
  this
• 12:58
  dimension
• 12:59
  is
• 12:59
  so
• 13:00
  unmistakable,
• 13:01
  so
• 13:01
  palpable,
• 13:03
  so
• 13:04
  pure,
• 13:06
  so
• 13:08
  complete,
• 13:08
  so
• 13:08
  100%.
• 13:10
  You
• 13:11
  know,
• 13:11
  it's
• 13:12
  like
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  goodness
• 13:15
  that
• 13:16
  make
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  feel
• 13:18
  happy,
• 13:18
  contented
• 13:20
  and
• 13:22
  makes
• 13:22
  you
• 13:23
  feel.
• 13:23
  You
• 13:23
  want
• 13:23
  everybody
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  feel
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  same
• 13:25
  way.
• 13:25
  And
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  will
• 13:26
  anything
• 13:27
  possible
• 13:27
  to
• 13:28
  make
• 13:28
  everybody
• 13:30
  experience
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  goodness.
• 13:31
  Because
• 13:32
  everybody
• 13:32
  is
• 13:32
  that
• 13:33
  goodness.
• 13:34
  They
• 13:34
  just
• 13:34
  need
• 13:35
  to
• 13:35
  know
• 13:35
  it,
• 13:35
  they
• 13:35
  don't
• 13:36
  know
• 13:36
  it.
• 13:37
  So
• 13:37
  in
• 13:37
  Fact,
• 13:38
  this.
• 13:39
  I
• 13:39
  think
• 13:39
  this
• 13:39
  dimension
• 13:41
  is
• 13:41
  really
• 13:42
  the
• 13:43
  main
• 13:43
  force
• 13:45
  why
• 13:45
  spiritual
• 13:46
  teaching
• 13:46
  tradition
• 13:47
  teach.
• 13:49
  Why
• 13:50
  do
• 13:50
  they
• 13:50
  teach?
• 13:50
  Why
• 13:51
  do
• 13:51
  they
• 13:51
  want
• 13:51
  people
• 13:51
  to
• 13:52
  know
• 13:52
  themselves?
• 13:52
  You
• 13:53
  know,
• 13:53
  they
• 13:53
  want
• 13:53
  them
• 13:54
  to
• 13:54
  be
• 13:54
  happy.
• 13:55
  They
• 13:55
  want
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  be
• 13:56
  said
• 13:56
  to
• 13:56
  be
• 13:56
  enlightened.
• 13:57
  What
• 13:57
  would
• 13:57
  that
• 13:57
  mean?
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  mean,
• 13:59
  they
• 13:59
  don't
• 13:59
  suffer.
• 14:00
  They
• 14:01
  end
• 14:01
  up
• 14:01
  feeling
• 14:02
  happy,
• 14:02
  feeling
• 14:03
  good,
• 14:03
  feeling
• 14:03
  joy,
• 14:04
  you
• 14:05
  know,
• 14:05
  feeling
• 14:06
  fulfilled,
• 14:06
  feeling
• 14:07
  satisfied.
• 14:08
  And
• 14:08
  they
• 14:09
  go
• 14:09
  beyond
• 14:09
  the
• 14:10
  world
• 14:10
  of
• 14:10
  strife,
• 14:11
  the
• 14:12
  world
• 14:12
  of
• 14:12
  struggle.
• 14:13
  The
• 14:13
  world.
• 14:15
  And
• 14:15
  so
• 14:15
  it
• 14:16
  makes
• 14:17
  life.
• 14:17
  Of
• 14:17
  course,
• 14:17
  it
• 14:18
  continues
• 14:18
  to
• 14:18
  have
• 14:19
  a
• 14:19
  struggle
• 14:19
  with
• 14:19
  challenges,
• 14:20
  but
• 14:20
  it's
• 14:21
  easier
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  deal
• 14:21
  with
• 14:22
  them,
• 14:22
  you
• 14:22
  know,
• 14:22
  because
• 14:23
  things
• 14:23
  are
• 14:23
  flowing.
• 14:25
  There
• 14:25
  is
• 14:25
  a
• 14:25
  trust
• 14:26
  and
• 14:26
  there
• 14:27
  is
• 14:27
  faith,
• 14:27
  as
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  said,
• 14:29
  and
• 14:29
  there
• 14:30
  is
• 14:30
  a
• 14:31
  sense
• 14:31
  of
• 14:31
  confidence
• 14:32
  that
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  goodness
• 14:33
  will
• 14:33
  prevail
• 14:34
  because
• 14:35
  it's
• 14:35
  inherently
• 14:36
  there.
• 14:37
  However,
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  thing
• 14:40
  I
• 14:40
  mentioned
• 14:40
  before,
• 14:42
  that
• 14:43
  even
• 14:44
  though
• 14:44
  we
• 14:44
  feel
• 14:44
  it,
• 14:45
  it's
• 14:45
  everywhere,
• 14:46
  I
• 14:47
  don't
• 14:47
  take
• 14:47
  it
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  mean
• 14:48
  other
• 14:48
  people
• 14:48
  feeling
• 14:49
  it
• 14:50
  already
• 14:50
  to
• 14:51
  feel
• 14:51
  it.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:52
  that's
• 14:52
  why
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  don't
• 14:53
  necessarily
• 14:54
  believe
• 14:55
  that
• 14:55
  the
• 14:55
  goodness
• 14:56
  and
• 14:56
  my
• 14:56
  experience
• 14:57
  is
• 14:57
  going
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  transform
• 14:58
  anybody
• 14:58
  else
• 14:59
  I
• 14:59
  could
• 14:59
  talk
• 14:59
  to.
• 15:00
  There's
• 15:00
  still
• 15:00
  people
• 15:01
  and
• 15:01
  forces
• 15:01
  in
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  world
• 15:03
  are
• 15:03
  not
• 15:03
  touched
• 15:03
  by
• 15:04
  it,
• 15:05
  not
• 15:05
  aware
• 15:05
  of
• 15:06
  it,
• 15:07
  very
• 15:07
  far
• 15:07
  away
• 15:08
  from
• 15:08
  it,
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  their
• 15:09
  misfortune,
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  course,
• 15:11
  but
• 15:12
  they
• 15:13
  make
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  lot
• 15:14
  of
• 15:14
  trouble
• 15:14
  and
• 15:15
  hurt
• 15:15
  a
• 15:15
  lot
• 15:15
  of
• 15:15
  people
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  destroy
• 15:17
  many
• 15:17
  things.
• 15:17
  And,
• 15:18
  you
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:19
  people
• 15:19
  are
• 15:20
  weird
• 15:20
  and
• 15:20
  odd
• 15:21
  and
• 15:21
  negative
• 15:22
  or
• 15:22
  hostile
• 15:23
  or
• 15:23
  murderous
• 15:24
  in
• 15:25
  many
• 15:25
  ways.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:26
  those
• 15:27
  people
• 15:27
  are
• 15:28
  disconnected
• 15:29
  from
• 15:29
  this.
• 15:30
  Basically,
• 15:31
  their
• 15:31
  sense
• 15:31
  of
• 15:32
  bondedness,
• 15:32
  a
• 15:33
  sense
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  being,
• 15:34
  entity
• 15:35
  is
• 15:35
  so
• 15:36
  disconnected
• 15:37
  that
• 15:37
  the
• 15:38
  disconnection
• 15:39
  creates
• 15:39
  a
• 15:40
  distortion.
• 15:41
  Instead
• 15:41
  of
• 15:42
  love,
• 15:42
  there's
• 15:42
  hatred.
• 15:43
  Hate
• 15:44
  is
• 15:44
  basically
• 15:44
  the
• 15:45
  opposite
• 15:45
  of
• 15:45
  love.
• 15:46
  Basically,
• 15:46
  it's
• 15:46
  either
• 15:47
  inversion.
• 15:49
  Love
• 15:49
  shows
• 15:50
  that
• 15:50
  there's
• 15:51
  no
• 15:51
  fundamental
• 15:52
  hatred
• 15:52
  in
• 15:52
  the
• 15:53
  universe.
• 15:54
  Hatred
• 15:55
  is
• 15:55
  not
• 15:55
  a
• 15:55
  quality
• 15:56
  of
• 15:56
  being.
• 15:57
  It's
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  distortion
• 15:58
  of
• 15:58
  a
• 15:59
  quality
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  being.
• 16:02
  Yeah,
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  recognition
• 16:04
  of
• 16:04
  that,
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  basic
• 16:05
  love
• 16:06
  and
• 16:06
  essential
• 16:07
  goodness
• 16:08
  is
• 16:08
  incredibly.
• 16:11
  But
• 16:11
  you
• 16:11
  see,
• 16:12
  this
• 16:12
  kind
• 16:12
  of
• 16:13
  dimension
• 16:14
  challenges
• 16:15
  some
• 16:16
  things.
• 16:17
  The
• 16:17
  Christian
• 16:17
  tradition
• 16:18
  takes
• 16:19
  many,
• 16:20
  not
• 16:20
  just
• 16:20
  as
• 16:20
  a
• 16:20
  Christian
• 16:21
  Muslim,
• 16:21
  the
• 16:22
  other,
• 16:22
  which
• 16:23
  is
• 16:23
  they
• 16:24
  have
• 16:24
  this
• 16:25
  conviction,
• 16:26
  part
• 16:26
  of
• 16:27
  their
• 16:27
  teaching
• 16:28
  about
• 16:29
  evil,
• 16:29
  that
• 16:30
  there
• 16:30
  is
• 16:30
  evil
• 16:30
  in
• 16:30
  the
• 16:31
  world
• 16:32
  symbolized
• 16:33
  by
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  devil.
• 16:35
  You
• 16:36
  see,
• 16:36
  from
• 16:36
  this
• 16:37
  perspective,
• 16:37
  there's
• 16:37
  no
• 16:38
  devil.
• 16:40
  Devil
• 16:40
  is
• 16:40
  a
• 16:40
  misguided
• 16:41
  soul.
• 16:44
  There's
• 16:44
  no
• 16:44
  pure
• 16:45
  hatred
• 16:45
  here.
• 16:46
  The
• 16:46
  fundamental
• 16:47
  nature
• 16:48
  is
• 16:48
  good.
• 16:49
  Goodness
• 16:49
  is
• 16:49
  so
• 16:49
  inherent,
• 16:50
  so
• 16:50
  fundamental,
• 16:51
  so
• 16:51
  deep,
• 16:52
  it
• 16:52
  underlies
• 16:53
  everything.
• 16:54
  So
• 16:54
  even
• 16:55
  if
• 16:55
  there
• 16:55
  is
• 16:56
  a
• 16:57
  devil,
• 16:57
  it's
• 16:57
  inherent
• 16:58
  nature
• 16:58
  is
• 16:59
  goodness.
• 17:00
  That's
• 17:00
  such
• 17:00
  a
• 17:02
  dramatic
• 17:03
  reframe,
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  mean,
• 17:04
  and
• 17:04
  very
• 17:04
  analogous
• 17:05
  to
• 17:07
  some
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  deeper
• 17:08
  teachings
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  the
• 17:08
  monotheistic
• 17:09
  traditions
• 17:10
  and
• 17:10
  of
• 17:12
  the
• 17:13
  primordial
• 17:13
  sinlessness
• 17:14
  or
• 17:14
  primordial
• 17:15
  love,
• 17:16
  or
• 17:17
  as
• 17:17
  Zogchen
• 17:18
  would
• 17:18
  call
• 17:18
  it
• 17:19
  primordial
• 17:20
  purity.
• 17:22
  Even
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  most
• 17:23
  demonic
• 17:24
  forms
• 17:25
  are
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  their
• 17:26
  fundamental
• 17:27
  nature
• 17:28
  expressions
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  this
• 17:29
  love,
• 17:30
  which
• 17:30
  is
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  very
• 17:31
  paradoxical
• 17:31
  thing.
• 17:32
  And
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  think
• 17:32
  somewhere
• 17:32
  else
• 17:33
  in
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  book
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  talk
• 17:34
  about
• 17:34
  that
• 17:35
  the
• 17:35
  intellect
• 17:35
  cannot
• 17:36
  grasp
• 17:36
  this,
• 17:37
  but
• 17:37
  one
• 17:37
  can
• 17:38
  experience
• 17:38
  it.
• 17:39
  And.
• 17:40
  And
• 17:40
  you
• 17:40
  also
• 17:41
  point
• 17:41
  out
• 17:41
  that
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  barriers
• 17:43
  that.
• 17:44
  Or
• 17:44
  blocks
• 17:45
  and
• 17:45
  obstacles
• 17:46
  that
• 17:46
  arise,
• 17:47
  as
• 17:48
  in
• 17:48
  the
• 17:49
  face
• 17:49
  of
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  recognition
• 17:50
  of
• 17:50
  this
• 17:50
  pure
• 17:51
  love,
• 17:51
  can
• 17:51
  even
• 17:52
  take
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  form
• 17:53
  of
• 17:54
  feeling
• 17:55
  demonic.
• 17:56
  That
• 17:56
  one,
• 17:57
  that
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  experience
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  pure
• 17:58
  love
• 17:59
  can
• 17:59
  reanimate
• 18:01
  early
• 18:02
  childhood
• 18:02
  feelings
• 18:03
  of
• 18:04
  rejection
• 18:04
  and
• 18:05
  basic
• 18:05
  distrust
• 18:06
  and
• 18:06
  so
• 18:06
  forth,
• 18:07
  which
• 18:08
  can
• 18:08
  be
• 18:08
  reanimated
• 18:09
  in
• 18:09
  very
• 18:10
  intense
• 18:10
  ways,
• 18:11
  even
• 18:11
  to
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  sense
• 18:11
  of
• 18:12
  wanting
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  attack
• 18:12
  and
• 18:13
  defend
• 18:13
  against
• 18:14
  this
• 18:14
  love.
• 18:15
  Yeah.
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  mean,
• 18:17
  in
• 18:17
  this
• 18:17
  teaching,
• 18:18
  we
• 18:18
  have
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  experience
• 18:20
  of
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  Beast,
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  way
• 18:22
  that
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  call
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  Beast
• 18:23
  and
• 18:23
  the
• 18:23
  Christianity
• 18:24
  called
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  Beast.
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  mean,
• 18:25
  in
• 18:25
  fact,
• 18:25
  I
• 18:25
  remember
• 18:26
  when
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  first
• 18:26
  experienced
• 18:27
  it
• 18:28
  myself.
• 18:29
  You
• 18:29
  know,
• 18:29
  I
• 18:29
  woke
• 18:29
  up
• 18:30
  one
• 18:30
  night,
• 18:31
  one
• 18:31
  day
• 18:32
  in
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  morning,
• 18:33
  and
• 18:33
  I
• 18:33
  saw
• 18:34
  in
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  air
• 18:36
  written
• 18:37
  in
• 18:37
  black
• 18:37
  letter
• 18:38
  666.
• 18:42
  I
• 18:42
  didn't
• 18:43
  even
• 18:43
  know
• 18:43
  that
• 18:43
  666,
• 18:44
  what
• 18:45
  it
• 18:45
  means.
• 18:45
  I
• 18:46
  never
• 18:46
  heard
• 18:46
  of
• 18:46
  it
• 18:46
  before.
• 18:47
  I
• 18:47
  just
• 18:47
  saw
• 18:47
  it
• 18:48
  there.
• 18:49
  And
• 18:49
  later
• 18:49
  on
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  saw
• 18:50
  myself
• 18:50
  as
• 18:51
  this
• 18:51
  black
• 18:53
  kind
• 18:53
  of
• 18:53
  powerful,
• 18:55
  you
• 18:56
  know,
• 18:57
  negative
• 18:58
  force
• 18:59
  beast.
• 19:00
  Yeah.
• 19:01
  And
• 19:01
  I
• 19:01
  saw
• 19:01
  that
• 19:02
  as
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  Beast.
• 19:03
  And
• 19:03
  I
• 19:03
  said,
• 19:04
  oh,
• 19:04
  that's
• 19:04
  the
• 19:04
  Beast.
• 19:05
  What?
• 19:05
  The
• 19:05
  beast.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:06
  it
• 19:07
  is
• 19:07
  a
• 19:07
  process
• 19:07
  to
• 19:07
  work
• 19:08
  with
• 19:08
  it.
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  understand
• 19:09
  it.
• 19:09
  To
• 19:10
  find
• 19:10
  out.
• 19:10
  And
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  found
• 19:11
  out
• 19:13
  on
• 19:13
  the
• 19:13
  deepest
• 19:13
  level
• 19:14
  that
• 19:15
  even
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  Beast
• 19:16
  is
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  service
• 19:17
  of
• 19:17
  God
• 19:20
  at
• 19:20
  some
• 19:20
  deep
• 19:21
  level.
• 19:21
  It's
• 19:22
  not
• 19:22
  obvious.
• 19:22
  And
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  transforms
• 19:24
  it
• 19:24
  into
• 19:25
  love.
• 19:27
  That's
• 19:28
  very
• 19:28
  helpful,
• 19:28
  Hamid.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:30
  ran
• 19:30
  into
• 19:30
  that
• 19:30
  myself
• 19:31
  some
• 19:31
  years
• 19:31
  ago
• 19:32
  in
• 19:32
  a
• 19:32
  retreat
• 19:33
  and
• 19:33
  had
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  month
• 19:33
  of
• 19:34
  a
• 19:34
  lot
• 19:35
  of
• 19:35
  experience
• 19:35
  of
• 19:37
  having
• 19:37
  these
• 19:38
  demonic
• 19:38
  feelings
• 19:39
  and
• 19:39
  motives
• 19:40
  and
• 19:40
  forces
• 19:41
  and
• 19:42
  satanic
• 19:42
  imagery.
• 19:43
  And
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  thought
• 19:44
  I'd
• 19:44
  contact
• 19:44
  an
• 19:45
  archetypal
• 19:45
  level
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  the
• 19:46
  psyche.
• 19:48
  I
• 19:48
  didn't
• 19:48
  have
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  kind
• 19:49
  of
• 19:49
  understanding
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  you
• 19:50
  were
• 19:50
  presenting.
• 19:51
  It
• 19:52
  was
• 19:52
  a
• 19:52
  really
• 19:53
  painful
• 19:53
  month.
• 19:54
  Multiple
• 19:55
  asthma
• 19:55
  attacks,
• 19:56
  wake
• 19:56
  up,
• 19:57
  you
• 19:57
  know,
• 19:57
  sweating.
• 19:58
  I
• 19:58
  mean,
• 19:58
  it
• 19:58
  was.
• 20:00
  It
• 20:00
  was
• 20:00
  not
• 20:01
  a
• 20:01
  fun
• 20:01
  month.
• 20:02
  Yeah,
• 20:03
  you
• 20:03
  could
• 20:03
  call
• 20:03
  it
• 20:03
  archetypal
• 20:04
  in
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  sense
• 20:05
  as
• 20:05
  it
• 20:05
  is
• 20:06
  potential
• 20:06
  for
• 20:07
  everybody
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  experience.
• 20:08
  So
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  beast
• 20:10
  actually
• 20:11
  is
• 20:11
  an
• 20:11
  inherent
• 20:12
  part
• 20:12
  of
• 20:12
  the
• 20:13
  ego.
• 20:14
  Okay.
• 20:15
  The
• 20:15
  beast
• 20:15
  is
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  dimension
• 20:16
  of
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  ego,
• 20:18
  and
• 20:18
  it
• 20:19
  is
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  layer
• 20:19
  of
• 20:20
  love.
• 20:20
  It
• 20:20
  basically
• 20:21
  arises
• 20:22
  from
• 20:23
  childhood
• 20:24
  feeling,
• 20:25
  being
• 20:25
  abandoned
• 20:25
  by
• 20:26
  goodness
• 20:26
  or
• 20:26
  by
• 20:26
  God.
• 20:27
  And
• 20:28
  there
• 20:28
  is
• 20:28
  anger.
• 20:29
  Where
• 20:29
  are
• 20:29
  you
• 20:30
  when
• 20:30
  I
• 20:30
  need
• 20:31
  you?
• 20:31
  And
• 20:31
  that
• 20:32
  develops
• 20:32
  into
• 20:33
  something,
• 20:34
  a
• 20:34
  structure,
• 20:35
  ego
• 20:35
  structure
• 20:36
  that
• 20:36
  is
• 20:37
  completely.
• 20:37
  That
• 20:38
  is
• 20:38
  against
• 20:38
  God.
• 20:40
  Can
• 20:41
  this
• 20:41
  beast
• 20:41
  be
• 20:42
  trained
• 20:42
  to
• 20:42
  be
• 20:42
  in
• 20:43
  service
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  the
• 20:44
  good
• 20:45
  beast?
• 20:45
  It
• 20:45
  transforms,
• 20:46
  basically
• 20:48
  becomes.
• 20:49
  Not
• 20:49
  that
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  Beast
• 20:51
  be
• 20:51
  in
• 20:51
  service.
• 20:51
  It
• 20:52
  is
• 20:52
  in
• 20:52
  service
• 20:52
  that's
• 20:53
  what
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  find
• 20:53
  out.
• 20:54
  Because
• 20:54
  when
• 20:54
  I
• 20:55
  experience
• 20:55
  that,
• 20:56
  when
• 20:56
  I
• 20:56
  want
• 20:56
  went
• 20:56
  to
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  depth
• 20:57
  of
• 20:57
  it,
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  core
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  it,
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  was
• 20:58
  love.
• 21:00
  And
• 21:00
  so
• 21:00
  even
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  beast
• 21:01
  wasn't
• 21:02
  serving
• 21:03
  God
• 21:03
  without
• 21:03
  knowing
• 21:04
  it.
• 21:05
  Right.
• 21:05
  But
• 21:06
  then
• 21:06
  that
• 21:06
  transforms
• 21:07
  into
• 21:07
  just
• 21:08
  a
• 21:09
  loving
• 21:09
  expression,
• 21:10
  a
• 21:11
  powerful
• 21:12
  expression
• 21:12
  of
• 21:13
  love
• 21:14
  that
• 21:14
  makes
• 21:14
  it
• 21:14
  black
• 21:15
  love
• 21:15
  instead
• 21:15
  of
• 21:16
  golden
• 21:16
  love.
• 21:18
  It's
• 21:18
  black
• 21:19
  powerful,
• 21:19
  but
• 21:19
  love
• 21:20
  still
• 21:20
  sweet.
• 21:21
  Yes.
• 21:21
  And
• 21:22
  we
• 21:22
  haven't
• 21:22
  talked
• 21:23
  about
• 21:23
  another
• 21:23
  issue
• 21:23
  which
• 21:24
  is
• 21:24
  that
• 21:24
  of
• 21:24
  the
• 21:26
  Jabba
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  Hutt.
• 21:27
  Oh
• 21:27
  yes,
• 21:28
  he
• 21:28
  was.
• 21:31
  Oh
• 21:31
  boy.
• 21:36
  Oh
• 21:36
  yes.
• 21:36
  Oh
• 21:37
  yes.
• 21:39
  So
• 21:39
  tell
• 21:39
  us
• 21:39
  about
• 21:40
  Jabba
• 21:40
  the
• 21:40
  Hutt.
• 21:42
  The
• 21:42
  Hut
• 21:43
  is.
• 21:44
  Yeah.
• 21:44
  From
• 21:45
  Star
• 21:45
  Trek.
• 21:45
  Star.
• 21:46
  Star
• 21:46
  wars
• 21:47
  third
• 21:47
  movie
• 21:47
  makes
• 21:48
  second
• 21:48
  movie.
• 21:48
  Slimy
• 21:49
  worm
• 21:50
  like
• 21:50
  obnoxious.
• 21:53
  Big
• 21:53
  and
• 21:54
  blubbery.
• 21:55
  And
• 21:55
  yeah,
• 21:56
  it's
• 21:56
  pretty
• 21:56
  awful
• 21:57
  looking
• 21:58
  second
• 21:58
  Star
• 21:59
  Wars.
• 22:00
  And
• 22:00
  in
• 22:01
  the
• 22:01
  first
• 22:01
  hour
• 22:01
  at
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  end
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  it,
• 22:03
  Hans
• 22:03
  Solo
• 22:04
  is
• 22:04
  captured
• 22:06
  by
• 22:06
  somebody
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  put
• 22:07
  them
• 22:08
  into
• 22:08
  some
• 22:08
  kind
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  cubic
• 22:09
  thing
• 22:10
  and
• 22:12
  takes
• 22:13
  it
• 22:13
  to
• 22:13
  Jabba
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  Hutt.
• 22:14
  So
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  first
• 22:15
  second
• 22:16
  movie
• 22:17
  starts
• 22:17
  with
• 22:18
  a
• 22:18
  scene
• 22:18
  with
• 22:19
  Java
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  Hutt
• 22:20
  sitting
• 22:20
  there
• 22:21
  huge
• 22:21
  blubbery.
• 22:23
  You
• 22:23
  know,
• 22:24
  it's
• 22:25
  like
• 22:26
  he
• 22:26
  was
• 22:27
  big,
• 22:27
  right?
• 22:28
  Big,
• 22:28
  huge,
• 22:29
  fat
• 22:30
  and
• 22:30
  blubbery.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  he.
• 22:32
  And
• 22:32
  the
• 22:32
  thing
• 22:33
  about
• 22:33
  Jabba
• 22:34
  the
• 22:34
  Hutt,
• 22:34
  why
• 22:35
  made
• 22:35
  me
• 22:36
  use
• 22:36
  it
• 22:36
  for.
• 22:37
  For
• 22:37
  this
• 22:37
  teaching
• 22:38
  is
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  he
• 22:39
  just
• 22:40
  wanted
• 22:40
  everything
• 22:42
  and
• 22:42
  didn't
• 22:42
  have
• 22:43
  enough.
• 22:43
  He
• 22:43
  wanted
• 22:44
  more
• 22:44
  pleasure,
• 22:45
  more
• 22:45
  food,
• 22:46
  more
• 22:46
  dancing,
• 22:47
  more
• 22:48
  power,
• 22:48
  more
• 22:49
  everything.
• 22:49
  More,
• 22:49
  more,
• 22:50
  more,
• 22:50
  more,
• 22:50
  more,
• 22:51
  more
• 22:51
  everything.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:53
  he
• 22:53
  was
• 22:54
  controlling
• 22:55
  everything.
• 22:55
  He
• 22:56
  was
• 22:56
  big
• 22:56
  and
• 22:56
  powerful.
• 22:57
  But
• 22:57
  he
• 22:57
  had
• 22:57
  everybody
• 22:58
  serving
• 22:58
  him
• 22:59
  and.
• 22:59
  He
• 23:00
  had
• 23:00
  Princess
• 23:00
  Leia
• 23:01
  in
• 23:01
  chains
• 23:01
  right
• 23:02
  next
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  his
• 23:03
  throne.
• 23:04
  Yeah,
• 23:04
  right.
• 23:05
  Yeah.
• 23:05
  And
• 23:06
  Han
• 23:06
  Solo
• 23:07
  there
• 23:08
  somehow
• 23:09
  mummified
• 23:09
  or
• 23:10
  into
• 23:11
  a
• 23:11
  cube
• 23:12
  made
• 23:12
  into
• 23:12
  a
• 23:13
  cube,
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  know.
• 23:14
  And
• 23:14
  of
• 23:14
  course,
• 23:15
  you
• 23:15
  know,
• 23:16
  movies
• 23:16
  start
• 23:16
  with
• 23:17
  that.
• 23:17
  It's
• 23:17
  fun
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  learn
• 23:18
  about
• 23:20
  the
• 23:21
  Hut
• 23:21
  is
• 23:21
  a
• 23:21
  whole
• 23:21
  race
• 23:22
  of
• 23:22
  people.
• 23:23
  But
• 23:24
  Jabba
• 23:24
  was
• 23:25
  an
• 23:25
  evil
• 23:25
  bad
• 23:25
  one.
• 23:26
  You
• 23:27
  know,
• 23:27
  not
• 23:27
  all
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  huts
• 23:28
  are
• 23:28
  like
• 23:29
  that.
• 23:29
  But
• 23:30
  Jabba
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  Hutt.
• 23:31
  Not.
• 23:32
  Not
• 23:32
  necessarily.
• 23:33
  If
• 23:33
  all
• 23:34
  of
• 23:34
  our
• 23:35
  listeners
• 23:36
  would
• 23:37
  have
• 23:37
  known
• 23:37
  Jabba
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  Hutt
• 23:38
  because
• 23:38
  that
• 23:39
  was
• 23:39
  a
• 23:39
  movie
• 23:39
  from
• 23:41
  in
• 23:41
  a
• 23:41
  few
• 23:41
  decades
• 23:42
  ago.
• 23:43
  You
• 23:43
  have
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  have
• 23:43
  watched
• 23:44
  Star
• 23:44
  wars,
• 23:45
  been
• 23:45
  into
• 23:46
  it
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  know
• 23:46
  what
• 23:47
  who
• 23:47
  Jabba
• 23:47
  the
• 23:48
  Hutt
• 23:48
  is.
• 23:48
  But
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  idea
• 23:49
  of
• 23:49
  Jabba
• 23:49
  the
• 23:49
  Hutt
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  is
• 23:51
  representation
• 23:52
  of
• 23:52
  greed
• 23:55
  because
• 23:56
  greed
• 23:56
  because
• 23:57
  you're
• 23:57
  empty
• 23:57
  inside.
• 23:59
  And
• 23:59
  when
• 24:00
  you
• 24:00
  really
• 24:00
  experience
• 24:00
  the
• 24:01
  jab
• 24:02
  is
• 24:02
  an
• 24:02
  actual
• 24:03
  ego
• 24:03
  structure
• 24:04
  that
• 24:04
  emerges.
• 24:05
  I
• 24:05
  felt
• 24:06
  myself
• 24:06
  as
• 24:06
  big
• 24:07
  fatty.
• 24:09
  It's
• 24:10
  a
• 24:10
  blubbery
• 24:11
  kind
• 24:11
  of
• 24:11
  thing.
• 24:12
  Greedy.
• 24:13
  Wanting
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  eat,
• 24:14
  wanting
• 24:14
  to
• 24:15
  sing
• 24:15
  and
• 24:15
  wanting
• 24:15
  pleasure.
• 24:16
  Wanting
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  touch
• 24:17
  and
• 24:17
  like
• 24:18
  there's
• 24:18
  no
• 24:18
  end
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  all
• 24:20
  the
• 24:20
  thing
• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  wanted.
• 24:22
  And
• 24:22
  then
• 24:25
  turned
• 24:26
  out
• 24:26
  it's
• 24:26
  empty
• 24:27
  inside
• 24:28
  and
• 24:28
  emptiness
• 24:29
  shows.
• 24:29
  It's
• 24:29
  unreality.
• 24:32
  So
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  resolution
• 24:32
  of
• 24:33
  it
• 24:33
  is
• 24:33
  to
• 24:33
  let
• 24:34
  yourself
• 24:34
  experience
• 24:35
  it,
• 24:35
  not
• 24:35
  fight
• 24:36
  it
• 24:36
  off
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  try
• 24:37
  to
• 24:37
  understand
• 24:38
  it.
• 24:39
  By
• 24:39
  experiencing
• 24:40
  it
• 24:40
  and
• 24:40
  not
• 24:40
  fighting
• 24:41
  it
• 24:41
  off,
• 24:42
  it
• 24:44
  shows
• 24:44
  its
• 24:44
  emptiness
• 24:44
  and
• 24:45
  dissolves
• 24:46
  and
• 24:47
  into
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  love,
• 24:48
  the
• 24:48
  love
• 24:48
  becomes
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  fullness
• 24:49
  that
• 24:50
  fills
• 24:50
  that
• 24:50
  emptiness.
• 24:51
  But
• 24:52
  it
• 24:52
  is
• 24:53
  an
• 24:53
  important
• 24:54
  thing
• 24:54
  because
• 24:55
  in
• 24:55
  this
• 24:56
  dimension
• 24:57
  it's
• 24:57
  all
• 24:58
  generous,
• 24:58
  it's
• 24:59
  all
• 24:59
  giving.
• 25:00
  Jabba
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  heart
• 25:01
  is
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  opposite.
• 25:03
  He
• 25:03
  is
• 25:04
  big
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  powerful,
• 25:05
  all
• 25:05
  of
• 25:05
  that,
• 25:05
  but
• 25:06
  he
• 25:07
  acts
• 25:07
  as
• 25:07
  if
• 25:07
  he
• 25:07
  doesn't
• 25:08
  have
• 25:08
  anything.
• 25:10
  He
• 25:10
  keeps
• 25:11
  wanting
• 25:11
  more
• 25:11
  and
• 25:11
  more
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  more
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  more.
• 25:12
  You
• 25:13
  see,
• 25:13
  so
• 25:14
  that's
• 25:14
  an
• 25:14
  expression,
• 25:15
  a
• 25:15
  very
• 25:15
  concrete,
• 25:17
  powerful
• 25:17
  expression
• 25:18
  of
• 25:19
  how
• 25:19
  greed
• 25:19
  can
• 25:20
  appear.
• 25:20
  So
• 25:20
  greed
• 25:21
  is
• 25:21
  one
• 25:22
  of
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  things
• 25:23
  that
• 25:23
  get
• 25:24
  healed
• 25:24
  in
• 25:25
  this
• 25:25
  dimension
• 25:26
  because
• 25:27
  all
• 25:28
  goodness,
• 25:28
  all
• 25:28
  giving
• 25:29
  here.
• 25:30
  So
• 25:31
  it
• 25:31
  confronts
• 25:31
  greed.
• 25:32
  That's
• 25:32
  how
• 25:32
  greed
• 25:33
  manifests.
• 25:33
  You
• 25:34
  give
• 25:34
  a
• 25:34
  very
• 25:34
  helpful
• 25:35
  and
• 25:36
  profound
• 25:36
  explanation
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  the.
• 25:39
  Of
• 25:39
  the
• 25:40
  way
• 25:40
  that
• 25:40
  greed
• 25:41
  emerges
• 25:42
  from
• 25:42
  the
• 25:43
  soul.
• 25:43
  Talking
• 25:43
  about
• 25:43
  the
• 25:44
  true
• 25:44
  nature
• 25:44
  itself
• 25:45
  overflows
• 25:46
  with
• 25:47
  goodness
• 25:47
  and
• 25:47
  love
• 25:48
  and
• 25:48
  abundance.
• 25:48
  But
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  separate
• 25:50
  self
• 25:50
  sense
• 25:51
  is
• 25:52
  based
• 25:52
  on
• 25:52
  a
• 25:53
  worldview
• 25:53
  of
• 25:53
  discrete,
• 25:54
  separate
• 25:55
  objects
• 25:56
  which
• 25:57
  are
• 25:57
  divorced
• 25:57
  from
• 25:58
  true
• 25:58
  nature.
• 25:59
  And
• 26:00
  consequently
• 26:01
  the
• 26:01
  sense
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  separation
• 26:03
  is
• 26:03
  inherently
• 26:05
  colored
• 26:06
  by
• 26:06
  the
• 26:07
  sense
• 26:07
  of
• 26:07
  lack
• 26:08
  and
• 26:08
  impoverishment
• 26:09
  by
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  separation
• 26:11
  from
• 26:11
  true
• 26:12
  nature.
• 26:12
  And
• 26:13
  consequently
• 26:15
  there's
• 26:15
  this
• 26:16
  latent
• 26:17
  or
• 26:18
  inherent
• 26:19
  desire
• 26:20
  to
• 26:21
  recover
• 26:21
  that.
• 26:22
  But
• 26:24
  we
• 26:24
  don't
• 26:24
  know
• 26:24
  quite
• 26:25
  what
• 26:25
  we're
• 26:25
  looking
• 26:25
  for.
• 26:25
  So
• 26:26
  we
• 26:26
  take
• 26:26
  all
• 26:26
  these,
• 26:27
  what
• 26:27
  Kinwell
• 26:28
  would
• 26:28
  call
• 26:28
  substitute
• 26:29
  gratifications
• 26:30
  and
• 26:31
  yeah,
• 26:31
  love
• 26:31
  to
• 26:31
  have
• 26:32
  you
• 26:32
  speak
• 26:32
  to
• 26:32
  that.
• 26:33
  Yeah,
• 26:34
  I
• 26:34
  mean,
• 26:34
  that's
• 26:35
  the
• 26:36
  ego
• 26:36
  as
• 26:36
  a
• 26:37
  whole,
• 26:37
  the
• 26:37
  ego
• 26:37
  structure,
• 26:39
  because
• 26:40
  it
• 26:40
  has
• 26:41
  imprinted
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  soul
• 26:42
  in
• 26:42
  a
• 26:43
  way
• 26:43
  to
• 26:43
  make
• 26:43
  it
• 26:43
  to
• 26:44
  identify
• 26:44
  with
• 26:45
  these
• 26:45
  historical
• 26:46
  or
• 26:47
  instinctual
• 26:49
  tendons,
• 26:49
  whatever,
• 26:50
  it
• 26:50
  becomes
• 26:51
  disconnected
• 26:51
  of
• 26:51
  the
• 26:52
  nature.
• 26:53
  So
• 26:53
  it
• 26:53
  becomes
• 26:53
  empty
• 26:54
  inside.
• 26:56
  When
• 26:56
  you
• 26:56
  see,
• 26:56
  when
• 26:57
  you
• 26:57
  really
• 26:57
  let
• 26:58
  those
• 26:58
  structures
• 26:59
  come
• 26:59
  up,
• 26:59
  they're
• 27:00
  empty.
• 27:00
  They
• 27:00
  have
• 27:01
  no
• 27:01
  inherent
• 27:01
  reality.
• 27:03
  And
• 27:03
  they
• 27:04
  can
• 27:04
  dissolve
• 27:05
  if
• 27:05
  we
• 27:06
  can
• 27:06
  stay
• 27:06
  with
• 27:06
  them
• 27:07
  and
• 27:07
  if
• 27:07
  we're
• 27:07
  not
• 27:09
  overcome
• 27:09
  by
• 27:09
  our
• 27:10
  fear
• 27:10
  or
• 27:10
  attachment
• 27:12
  and
• 27:12
  you
• 27:13
  know,
• 27:14
  can
• 27:14
  manifest
• 27:14
  in
• 27:15
  any
• 27:15
  quality
• 27:15
  or
• 27:16
  true
• 27:16
  nature
• 27:16
  or
• 27:19
  presence.
• 27:20
  But
• 27:21
  the
• 27:21
  divine
• 27:22
  love
• 27:22
  specifically
• 27:23
  deals
• 27:23
  with
• 27:24
  specific
• 27:24
  things
• 27:25
  that
• 27:25
  are
• 27:26
  contrary
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  love.
• 27:28
  You
• 27:28
  know,
• 27:29
  the
• 27:31
  lost
• 27:32
  and
• 27:33
  lusty
• 27:34
  greed
• 27:35
  that
• 27:35
  implies
• 27:37
  lack
• 27:37
  of
• 27:37
  richness.
• 27:39
  And
• 27:39
  this
• 27:40
  is
• 27:40
  a
• 27:40
  dimension
• 27:41
  of
• 27:41
  richness
• 27:42
  and
• 27:43
  the
• 27:43
  hateful
• 27:44
  beastliness
• 27:46
  which
• 27:48
  really
• 27:48
  magnify
• 27:49
  the
• 27:49
  separateness,
• 27:50
  alienation
• 27:52
  and
• 27:52
  this
• 27:53
  and
• 27:54
  also
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  lack
• 27:55
  of
• 27:55
  goodness,
• 27:56
  you
• 27:56
  know,
• 27:56
  and
• 27:57
  because
• 27:57
  this
• 27:57
  dimension
• 27:58
  is
• 27:58
  goodness
• 28:00
  and
• 28:00
  giving,
• 28:01
  so
• 28:01
  it
• 28:02
  heals
• 28:02
  those
• 28:03
  specific
• 28:04
  structures.
• 28:05
  But
• 28:05
  they
• 28:05
  appear
• 28:06
  in
• 28:06
  a
• 28:06
  very
• 28:07
  dramatic
• 28:08
  specific
• 28:08
  ways.
• 28:09
  That's
• 28:09
  the
• 28:09
  interesting
• 28:09
  thing.
• 28:10
  They
• 28:10
  don't
• 28:10
  just
• 28:11
  appear
• 28:11
  as
• 28:11
  just
• 28:12
  feeling
• 28:12
  of
• 28:12
  greed
• 28:13
  or
• 28:13
  just
• 28:14
  feeling
• 28:14
  of
• 28:14
  being
• 28:15
  bad.
• 28:15
  Those
• 28:15
  happened
• 28:16
  earlier.
• 28:17
  But
• 28:17
  that's
• 28:17
  in
• 28:17
  the
• 28:18
  first
• 28:18
  Turning,
• 28:18
  second,
• 28:19
  turning
• 28:19
  appear
• 28:20
  really
• 28:21
  dramatic,
• 28:21
  similar
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  what
• 28:22
  the
• 28:23
  Tibetan
• 28:24
  called
• 28:24
  wrathful
• 28:25
  deities
• 28:25
  at
• 28:25
  the
• 28:26
  beginning
• 28:26
  that
• 28:27
  change
• 28:27
  to
• 28:27
  peaceful
• 28:27
  deities.
• 28:28
  Right.
• 28:29
  They
• 28:29
  appear
• 28:30
  as
• 28:30
  wrathful
• 28:31
  in
• 28:31
  a
• 28:31
  sense,
• 28:31
  they're
• 28:32
  negative,
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  know,
• 28:34
  So
• 28:35
  I
• 28:35
  talk
• 28:35
  about
• 28:35
  two.
• 28:35
  I'm
• 28:36
  sure
• 28:36
  there
• 28:36
  are
• 28:36
  others
• 28:37
  we
• 28:37
  don't
• 28:37
  have
• 28:38
  time
• 28:38
  to
• 28:38
  talk
• 28:38
  about.
• 28:38
  But
• 28:39
  these
• 28:39
  are
• 28:39
  important
• 28:39
  for
• 28:40
  people
• 28:40
  to
• 28:40
  recognize
• 28:41
  that
• 28:42
  when
• 28:42
  they
• 28:42
  experience
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  greed,
• 28:43
  it
• 28:44
  can
• 28:44
  appear.
• 28:45
  They
• 28:46
  can
• 28:46
  experience
• 28:46
  themselves
• 28:47
  as
• 28:47
  something
• 28:47
  like
• 28:48
  Jabba
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  heart.
• 28:50
  They
• 28:50
  could
• 28:50
  feel
• 28:51
  greed
• 28:51
  and
• 28:51
  all
• 28:51
  of
• 28:51
  that.
• 28:52
  But
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  Jabba
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  heart,
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  way
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  dimension,
• 28:54
  this
• 28:54
  dimension
• 28:54
  of
• 28:55
  love
• 28:56
  exposes
• 28:56
  greed,
• 28:57
  pushes
• 28:57
  doubt
• 28:58
  as
• 28:58
  a
• 28:58
  particular
• 28:58
  ego
• 28:59
  structure.
• 29:02
  So
• 29:02
  you
• 29:02
  can't
• 29:02
  just
• 29:02
  push
• 29:03
  away
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  greed,
• 29:04
  like
• 29:05
  get
• 29:05
  rid
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  the
• 29:05
  beast,
• 29:05
  you
• 29:06
  have
• 29:06
  to
• 29:06
  kind
• 29:06
  of
• 29:07
  dissolve
• 29:07
  the
• 29:08
  beast
• 29:08
  with
• 29:09
  true
• 29:09
  nature.
• 29:10
  Yeah.
• 29:11
  I
• 29:11
  mean,
• 29:11
  so
• 29:11
  that's
• 29:11
  why,
• 29:12
  you
• 29:12
  know,
• 29:13
  when
• 29:14
  we
• 29:14
  hear
• 29:14
  about
• 29:15
  teaching,
• 29:15
  that
• 29:15
  tells
• 29:16
  you
• 29:16
  about
• 29:16
  renunciation
• 29:17
  and
• 29:18
  just
• 29:18
  push
• 29:18
  it
• 29:18
  away
• 29:19
  or
• 29:19
  disown
• 29:20
  it
• 29:20
  or
• 29:21
  all
• 29:21
  of
• 29:21
  that.
• 29:22
  From
• 29:22
  this
• 29:23
  perspective
• 29:24
  here,
• 29:24
  we
• 29:24
  see
• 29:24
  that
• 29:25
  these
• 29:25
  things
• 29:25
  don't
• 29:25
  really
• 29:26
  work.
• 29:27
  Who's
• 29:28
  going
• 29:28
  to
• 29:28
  push
• 29:28
  it
• 29:28
  away?
• 29:29
  Who's
• 29:30
  going
• 29:30
  to
• 29:30
  disown
• 29:30
  it?
• 29:31
  To
• 29:32
  push
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  away,
• 29:33
  to
• 29:33
  disown
• 29:34
  it,
• 29:34
  to
• 29:34
  say,
• 29:34
  that's
• 29:35
  not
• 29:35
  me.
• 29:35
  You
• 29:36
  have
• 29:36
  to
• 29:36
  be
• 29:36
  a
• 29:37
  separate
• 29:37
  individual
• 29:38
  saying
• 29:38
  it.
• 29:39
  Divine
• 29:39
  love
• 29:39
  doesn't
• 29:40
  say
• 29:40
  that.
• 29:40
  Divine
• 29:41
  love
• 29:41
  just
• 29:41
  bathes
• 29:42
  everything
• 29:43
  with
• 29:43
  love.
• 29:45
  And
• 29:45
  Yamid,
• 29:46
  you
• 29:46
  mentioned
• 29:46
  two
• 29:48
  steps
• 29:49
  which
• 29:49
  seem
• 29:50
  really
• 29:51
  crucial
• 29:52
  and
• 29:52
  fundamental
• 29:52
  to
• 29:53
  working
• 29:53
  with
• 29:54
  all
• 29:54
  these
• 29:54
  barriers.
• 29:55
  You
• 29:55
  implied
• 29:56
  that
• 29:56
  one
• 29:57
  must
• 29:57
  not
• 29:58
  push
• 29:58
  away,
• 29:58
  but
• 29:59
  allow
• 30:00
  or
• 30:00
  even
• 30:01
  welcome
• 30:02
  these
• 30:03
  experiences
• 30:04
  as
• 30:04
  they
• 30:04
  emerge.
• 30:04
  And
• 30:05
  second,
• 30:05
  investigate
• 30:06
  them,
• 30:07
  explore
• 30:07
  them.
• 30:08
  Yeah,
• 30:09
  we
• 30:09
  hold
• 30:09
  them,
• 30:11
  we
• 30:11
  welcome
• 30:12
  them
• 30:13
  because
• 30:13
  we're
• 30:13
  interested
• 30:14
  in
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  truth.
• 30:15
  Remember
• 30:15
  the
• 30:16
  interest
• 30:16
  in
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  truth.
• 30:17
  Go
• 30:17
  through
• 30:18
  everything.
• 30:20
  So
• 30:20
  here,
• 30:20
  I
• 30:20
  mean,
• 30:21
  love
• 30:21
  and
• 30:21
  truth
• 30:21
  are
• 30:22
  not
• 30:22
  separate
• 30:22
  thing.
• 30:23
  I
• 30:24
  mean
• 30:24
  love
• 30:25
  is
• 30:25
  very
• 30:25
  the
• 30:26
  true
• 30:26
  thing,
• 30:27
  how
• 30:28
  the
• 30:28
  truth
• 30:28
  is
• 30:28
  manifesting.
• 30:30
  So
• 30:31
  the
• 30:32
  curiosity,
• 30:32
  the
• 30:33
  interest.
• 30:35
  And
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  don't
• 30:36
  explore
• 30:37
  the
• 30:37
  beast
• 30:38
  or
• 30:38
  Jabba
• 30:39
  the
• 30:39
  Heart
• 30:40
  from
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  perspective
• 30:41
  wanting
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  get
• 30:41
  rid
• 30:42
  of
• 30:42
  it.
• 30:42
  You
• 30:43
  explore
• 30:43
  it
• 30:43
  from
• 30:43
  the
• 30:44
  perspective
• 30:44
  wanting
• 30:45
  to
• 30:45
  know
• 30:45
  what
• 30:45
  is
• 30:45
  it?
• 30:46
  What's
• 30:46
  it
• 30:46
  about?
• 30:47
  How
• 30:47
  come
• 30:48
  you
• 30:48
  really
• 30:48
  want
• 30:49
  to
• 30:49
  know
• 30:49
  it?
• 30:49
  You
• 30:49
  want
• 30:49
  to
• 30:50
  know
• 30:50
  it's
• 30:50
  truth.
• 30:51
  And
• 30:51
  that
• 30:51
  is
• 30:52
  more
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  generous
• 30:53
  attitude
• 30:54
  of
• 30:54
  love.
• 30:55
  Yeah.
• 30:55
  You
• 30:55
  can't
• 30:56
  paradox,
• 30:57
  you
• 30:57
  can't
• 30:57
  inquire
• 30:58
  into
• 30:58
  these
• 30:58
  things
• 30:58
  in
• 30:58
  order
• 30:59
  to
• 30:59
  get
• 30:59
  rid
• 30:59
  of
• 30:59
  them.
• 31:01
  Yeah,
• 31:01
  but
• 31:02
  you
• 31:02
  see,
• 31:02
  when
• 31:02
  you
• 31:02
  are
• 31:03
  in
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  midst
• 31:03
  of
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  experience,
• 31:04
  you
• 31:04
  can't
• 31:04
  feel,
• 31:05
  I
• 31:05
  want
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  get
• 31:05
  rid
• 31:05
  of
• 31:05
  it.
• 31:06
  If
• 31:07
  the
• 31:07
  motivation
• 31:08
  wanting
• 31:08
  to
• 31:08
  get
• 31:08
  rid
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  it
• 31:09
  is
• 31:09
  operative,
• 31:11
  that
• 31:11
  will
• 31:11
  become
• 31:12
  an
• 31:12
  ego
• 31:12
  identification.
• 31:14
  Yeah.
• 31:15
  That
• 31:16
  true
• 31:16
  understanding
• 31:16
  from
• 31:17
  happening.
• 31:18
  Yeah.
• 31:18
  So
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  way
• 31:19
  I
• 31:20
  have
• 31:20
  come
• 31:21
  to
• 31:21
  understand
• 31:21
  it
• 31:21
  is
• 31:22
  what,
• 31:23
  whatever
• 31:23
  you're
• 31:23
  unwilling
• 31:24
  to
• 31:24
  experience
• 31:25
  in
• 31:25
  the
• 31:25
  mind
• 31:26
  sticks
• 31:26
  around
• 31:26
  until
• 31:27
  you
• 31:27
  are
• 31:27
  willing
• 31:27
  to
• 31:28
  experience
• 31:28
  it,
• 31:29
  and
• 31:29
  whatever
• 31:30
  you're
• 31:30
  unwilling
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  experience
• 31:31
  runs
• 31:31
  your
• 31:32
  life.
• 31:33
  Exactly.
• 31:33
  That's
• 31:34
  what
• 31:34
  happens.
• 31:34
  I
• 31:34
  mean,
• 31:34
  Ian
• 31:35
  Freud
• 31:35
  said
• 31:35
  that
• 31:37
  unconscious,
• 31:38
  then
• 31:38
  that
• 31:38
  determines
• 31:39
  your
• 31:39
  experience.
• 31:40
  Yeah,
• 31:42
  you
• 31:43
  kind
• 31:43
  of
• 31:43
  give
• 31:43
  a
• 31:44
  summary
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  the
• 31:45
  process,
• 31:45
  of
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  larger
• 31:48
  process
• 31:49
  involved
• 31:49
  with
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  emergence
• 31:51
  in
• 31:51
  this
• 31:52
  specific
• 31:52
  case
• 31:52
  of
• 31:53
  divine
• 31:53
  love.
• 31:53
  But
• 31:54
  in
• 31:55
  each
• 31:55
  of
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  boundless
• 31:56
  dimensions,
• 31:56
  as
• 31:57
  far
• 31:57
  as
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  can
• 31:57
  see,
• 31:58
  you
• 31:58
  point
• 31:59
  to
• 31:59
  five
• 32:00
  steps
• 32:02
  in
• 32:02
  a
• 32:02
  developmental
• 32:03
  process
• 32:03
  here.
• 32:04
  So
• 32:04
  maybe
• 32:04
  I
• 32:05
  can
• 32:05
  name
• 32:05
  them
• 32:05
  and
• 32:06
  you
• 32:06
  can
• 32:07
  comment,
• 32:07
  comment
• 32:08
  or
• 32:09
  expand
• 32:10
  or.
• 32:11
  It
• 32:11
  seems
• 32:11
  like
• 32:11
  first
• 32:12
  you
• 32:12
  say
• 32:13
  first
• 32:13
  there's
• 32:13
  a.
• 32:14
  A
• 32:14
  taste
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  true
• 32:15
  nature
• 32:16
  and
• 32:17
  then.
• 32:17
  Or.
• 32:18
  Or
• 32:18
  even
• 32:18
  a
• 32:19
  deeper
• 32:19
  immersion
• 32:19
  into
• 32:20
  it.
• 32:20
  But
• 32:20
  then
• 32:21
  what
• 32:21
  tends
• 32:21
  to
• 32:22
  happen
• 32:22
  is
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  evokes
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  blocks
• 32:25
  and
• 32:25
  barriers
• 32:26
  to
• 32:26
  it.
• 32:27
  And
• 32:27
  there's
• 32:27
  a
• 32:28
  third
• 32:28
  step.
• 32:28
  One
• 32:29
  needs
• 32:29
  to
• 32:30
  be
• 32:30
  open
• 32:31
  to
• 32:31
  and
• 32:31
  to
• 32:31
  experience
• 32:32
  and
• 32:32
  to
• 32:32
  work
• 32:33
  with
• 32:33
  those
• 32:33
  blocks
• 32:34
  and
• 32:34
  barriers.
• 32:34
  And
• 32:35
  until
• 32:37
  they
• 32:38
  dissolve
• 32:38
  sufficiently,
• 32:39
  or
• 32:39
  true
• 32:40
  nature
• 32:40
  or
• 32:40
  love
• 32:41
  dissolves
• 32:41
  them
• 32:42
  enough
• 32:42
  that
• 32:43
  one
• 32:43
  really
• 32:44
  dissolve
• 32:45
  oneself.
• 32:46
  The
• 32:47
  soul
• 32:47
  dissolves
• 32:48
  into
• 32:48
  true
• 32:48
  nature.
• 32:49
  But
• 32:50
  then
• 32:50
  there's
• 32:50
  a
• 32:51
  final
• 32:51
  process.
• 32:51
  You
• 32:52
  talk
• 32:52
  about
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  personalization.
• 32:54
  Then,
• 32:56
  as
• 32:57
  you.
• 32:57
  And
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  said
• 32:57
  it
• 32:58
  beautifully
• 32:58
  before,
• 32:58
  the
• 32:59
  soul
• 33:00
  recognizes
• 33:01
  its
• 33:01
  uniqueness,
• 33:02
  but
• 33:02
  does
• 33:03
  not
• 33:03
  get
• 33:03
  lost
• 33:03
  in
• 33:03
  a
• 33:04
  separate
• 33:04
  universe.
• 33:05
  Yeah.
• 33:06
  And
• 33:08
  emerges,
• 33:09
  can
• 33:09
  be
• 33:10
  an
• 33:10
  individuated
• 33:11
  one,
• 33:11
  can
• 33:11
  be
• 33:12
  pearly.
• 33:12
  What
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  call
• 33:12
  the
• 33:13
  pearl
• 33:13
  beyond
• 33:13
  price
• 33:14
  can
• 33:14
  appear
• 33:15
  as
• 33:16
  like
• 33:16
  a
• 33:17
  pearl
• 33:17
  of
• 33:18
  divine
• 33:18
  love.
• 33:20
  Pearl
• 33:21
  made
• 33:21
  out
• 33:21
  of
• 33:22
  divine
• 33:22
  love.
• 33:22
  Emerging,
• 33:23
  expressing
• 33:24
  this
• 33:24
  divine
• 33:25
  love.
• 33:25
  So
• 33:26
  that
• 33:26
  gives
• 33:26
  us
• 33:26
  a
• 33:27
  sense
• 33:27
  of
• 33:29
  capacity
• 33:29
  to
• 33:30
  function,
• 33:32
  individuated
• 33:33
  capacity
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  function
• 33:34
  that
• 33:35
  has
• 33:35
  integrated
• 33:35
  the
• 33:36
  experience
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  life.
• 33:39
  Beautiful.
• 33:40
  And
• 33:41
  both
• 33:41
  John
• 33:41
  and
• 33:42
  I
• 33:42
  have
• 33:42
  felt
• 33:42
  in
• 33:43
  working
• 33:43
  with
• 33:43
  this
• 33:44
  chapter
• 33:44
  on
• 33:45
  divine
• 33:45
  love,
• 33:45
  that
• 33:47
  it's
• 33:47
  really
• 33:48
  touched
• 33:49
  us
• 33:49
  both
• 33:49
  very,
• 33:50
  very
• 33:50
  deeply.
• 33:51
  And
• 33:51
  we
• 33:51
  feel
• 33:51
  like
• 33:51
  we
• 33:52
  received
• 33:52
  a
• 33:52
  transmission.
• 33:53
  For
• 33:53
  me
• 33:54
  in
• 33:54
  particular,
• 33:54
  it's
• 33:54
  very
• 33:55
  important
• 33:55
  because
• 33:55
  I'm
• 33:55
  so
• 33:56
  cerebral
• 33:56
  and.
• 33:57
  And
• 33:58
  you
• 33:58
  know,
• 33:58
  opening
• 33:58
  to
• 33:59
  love
• 33:59
  has.
• 33:59
  And
• 34:00
  devotion
• 34:00
  have
• 34:01
  been
• 34:01
  significant
• 34:02
  challenges
• 34:03
  for
• 34:03
  me.
• 34:03
  I
• 34:03
  have
• 34:03
  my.
• 34:04
  Certainly
• 34:04
  have
• 34:04
  my
• 34:04
  blocks
• 34:05
  around
• 34:05
  that.
• 34:05
  So
• 34:06
  this
• 34:06
  chapter
• 34:07
  and
• 34:07
  these
• 34:08
  ideas
• 34:08
  and
• 34:09
  the
• 34:10
  experiences
• 34:10
  you're
• 34:11
  describing
• 34:11
  and
• 34:11
  processes
• 34:12
  of
• 34:12
  working
• 34:13
  with
• 34:13
  them
• 34:13
  have
• 34:13
  just
• 34:13
  been
• 34:14
  extremely
• 34:15
  touching,
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  would
• 34:16
  say,
• 34:17
  and
• 34:18
  melting
• 34:18
  in
• 34:19
  a
• 34:19
  little
• 34:19
  way.
• 34:20
  Interesting.
• 34:20
  Although
• 34:21
  this
• 34:21
  dimension
• 34:22
  of
• 34:22
  love
• 34:22
  and
• 34:22
  prayer
• 34:23
  as
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  first
• 34:23
  dimension,
• 34:24
  love
• 34:25
  stays
• 34:25
  as
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  thing
• 34:26
  that
• 34:27
  really
• 34:29
  expresses
• 34:29
  the
• 34:30
  realization
• 34:30
  in
• 34:31
  all
• 34:31
  of
• 34:31
  its
• 34:31
  dimensions.
• 34:32
  Because
• 34:33
  when
• 34:33
  it
• 34:33
  comes
• 34:33
  to
• 34:33
  living,
• 34:35
  you
• 34:35
  know,
• 34:36
  love,
• 34:37
  love
• 34:38
  is
• 34:38
  the
• 34:39
  expression
• 34:40
  and
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  loving
• 34:41
  expression.
• 34:43
  And
• 34:43
  love
• 34:43
  includes
• 34:44
  compassion,
• 34:45
  of
• 34:45
  course,
• 34:45
  and
• 34:46
  kindness
• 34:46
  and
• 34:47
  sweetness
• 34:47
  and
• 34:48
  generosity,
• 34:48
  the
• 34:49
  whole
• 34:49
  heart.
• 34:50
  So
• 34:51
  regardless
• 34:52
  what
• 34:52
  realization,
• 34:53
  what
• 34:53
  level
• 34:54
  we
• 34:54
  go
• 34:54
  to,
• 34:54
  the
• 34:55
  heart
• 34:55
  develops
• 34:55
  further.
• 34:56
  Even
• 34:56
  when
• 34:57
  we
• 34:57
  get
• 34:57
  to
• 34:57
  dimension
• 34:58
  like
• 34:58
  the
• 34:58
  pure
• 34:59
  awareness,
• 34:59
  the
• 34:59
  heart
• 35:00
  develops
• 35:00
  further.
• 35:03
  That
• 35:03
  is
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  sign
• 35:04
  of
• 35:05
  a
• 35:05
  true
• 35:06
  liberation
• 35:08
  or
• 35:08
  realization
• 35:09
  is
• 35:09
  that
• 35:09
  there's
• 35:10
  heart.
• 35:12
  The
• 35:12
  love
• 35:12
  is
• 35:12
  part
• 35:13
  of
• 35:13
  all
• 35:13
  these
• 35:13
  different
• 35:14
  dimensions.
• 35:15
  It's
• 35:16
  foundational.
• 35:16
  It's.
• 35:17
  It's
• 35:17
  there,
• 35:17
  it's
• 35:18
  there.
• 35:18
  It
• 35:18
  comes
• 35:19
  through
• 35:19
  all
• 35:19
  of
• 35:19
  them.
• 35:19
  Yeah,
• 35:21
  beautiful.
• 35:23
  I
• 35:23
  mean,
• 35:24
  is
• 35:24
  there
• 35:24
  anything
• 35:24
  else
• 35:25
  you'd
• 35:25
  like
• 35:25
  to
• 35:25
  say
• 35:26
  about
• 35:26
  this
• 35:27
  topic?
• 35:27
  We've,
• 35:28
  we've
• 35:28
  covered
• 35:29
  a
• 35:29
  lot,
• 35:29
  but
• 35:30
  is
• 35:30
  there
• 35:30
  anything
• 35:31
  else?
• 35:31
  And
• 35:32
  yeah,
• 35:32
  one
• 35:33
  thing
• 35:33
  is
• 35:33
  that
• 35:33
  we
• 35:34
  recognize
• 35:34
  that
• 35:34
  what
• 35:35
  makes
• 35:35
  us
• 35:35
  human
• 35:36
  is
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  love
• 35:38
  that
• 35:39
  you
• 35:39
  can't
• 35:39
  be
• 35:39
  really
• 35:40
  human
• 35:41
  without
• 35:41
  heart,
• 35:44
  you
• 35:45
  know.
• 35:45
  You
• 35:45
  know,
• 35:46
  Crocodile,
• 35:47
  for
• 35:47
  instance,
• 35:48
  doesn't
• 35:48
  have
• 35:48
  a
• 35:48
  heart.
• 35:48
  It's
• 35:49
  not
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  human,
• 35:50
  you
• 35:50
  know,
• 35:52
  human
• 35:52
  being
• 35:52
  have
• 35:53
  heart.
• 35:53
  Of
• 35:53
  course
• 35:54
  the
• 35:54
  heart
• 35:54
  can.
• 35:56
  Heart
• 35:57
  can
• 35:57
  appear
• 35:57
  as
• 35:57
  a
• 35:58
  negative
• 35:58
  thing,
• 35:58
  hated,
• 35:59
  whatever,
• 36:00
  all
• 36:00
  emotions.
• 36:01
  But
• 36:01
  when
• 36:02
  heart
• 36:02
  expresses
• 36:03
  itself
• 36:03
  freely,
• 36:04
  openly,
• 36:05
  it
• 36:05
  is
• 36:06
  just
• 36:08
  a
• 36:08
  channel
• 36:08
  of
• 36:09
  love,
• 36:10
  channel
• 36:11
  of
• 36:11
  goodness
• 36:11
  and
• 36:12
  generosity
• 36:13
  and
• 36:14
  giving
• 36:14
  and.
• 36:18
  Beautiful,
• 36:19
  you
• 36:19
  know,
• 36:19
  so
• 36:19
  how
• 36:20
  many.
• 36:20
  Do
• 36:20
  you
• 36:20
  have
• 36:20
  any,
• 36:20
  like,
• 36:20
  last
• 36:21
  words?
• 36:21
  How
• 36:21
  do
• 36:21
  we,
• 36:23
  you
• 36:23
  know,
• 36:23
  how
• 36:23
  do
• 36:23
  we
• 36:23
  continue
• 36:24
  to
• 36:24
  develop
• 36:26
  this
• 36:26
  connection
• 36:28
  with
• 36:29
  our
• 36:29
  true
• 36:29
  nature,
• 36:29
  with
• 36:30
  love
• 36:30
  and
• 36:31
  manifest
• 36:32
  that
• 36:32
  is
• 36:32
  that
• 36:33
  again,
• 36:34
  love
• 36:34
  of
• 36:34
  the
• 36:34
  truth
• 36:35
  and
• 36:35
  continuing
• 36:36
  to
• 36:36
  look
• 36:36
  inside.
• 36:37
  But
• 36:37
  it
• 36:37
  also
• 36:37
  seems
• 36:38
  that
• 36:38
  love
• 36:38
  propels
• 36:39
  us
• 36:39
  to
• 36:40
  action,
• 36:40
  to
• 36:40
  actually
• 36:41
  do
• 36:41
  things.
• 36:43
  Yeah,
• 36:44
  that,
• 36:44
  that.
• 36:45
  But
• 36:45
  also
• 36:45
  to.
• 36:47
  I
• 36:47
  mean,
• 36:47
  what
• 36:47
  this
• 36:48
  dimension
• 36:48
  shows
• 36:49
  is
• 36:49
  that
• 36:49
  it
• 36:49
  is
• 36:50
  a
• 36:50
  ground
• 36:50
  for
• 36:51
  experience.
• 36:53
  You
• 36:53
  know,
• 36:54
  we
• 36:54
  need
• 36:54
  to
• 36:55
  be
• 36:55
  humble.
• 36:56
  It
• 36:56
  brings
• 36:57
  in
• 36:57
  humility.
• 36:59
  Humble
• 36:59
  when
• 36:59
  we're
• 37:00
  not
• 37:00
  aware
• 37:00
  of
• 37:00
  that.
• 37:02
  Humble
• 37:03
  that
• 37:03
  we
• 37:03
  don't
• 37:03
  know
• 37:04
  ourselves
• 37:04
  completely.
• 37:06
  You
• 37:07
  know,
• 37:07
  the
• 37:07
  humility
• 37:08
  is
• 37:08
  very
• 37:08
  important
• 37:10
  for
• 37:10
  discovering
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  truth
• 37:13
  that
• 37:13
  we
• 37:13
  don't
• 37:14
  know
• 37:15
  we're
• 37:15
  not
• 37:15
  completely
• 37:16
  ourselves.
• 37:17
  You
• 37:17
  know,
• 37:18
  we're
• 37:18
  not
• 37:18
  connected
• 37:20
  completely,
• 37:21
  even
• 37:21
  though
• 37:21
  we
• 37:21
  might
• 37:22
  be
• 37:22
  connected
• 37:22
  not
• 37:22
  completely.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:24
  that'll
• 37:24
  bring
• 37:24
  more
• 37:25
  humility.
• 37:25
  And,
• 37:25
  you
• 37:25
  know,
• 37:26
  the
• 37:26
  great
• 37:26
  people
• 37:26
  are
• 37:27
  great
• 37:27
  individuals
• 37:28
  in
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  world
• 37:29
  have
• 37:29
  that
• 37:29
  humility
• 37:30
  in
• 37:30
  them.
• 37:31
  There's
• 37:32
  dignity
• 37:32
  and
• 37:33
  things
• 37:33
  like
• 37:33
  that.
• 37:33
  And.
• 37:34
  But
• 37:35
  humility
• 37:35
  is
• 37:35
  a
• 37:36
  very
• 37:36
  important
• 37:36
  part.
• 37:36
  You
• 37:37
  know,
• 37:38
  even
• 37:38
  the
• 37:39
  most
• 37:39
  realized
• 37:42
  will
• 37:42
  be
• 37:42
  humble.
• 37:48
  This
• 37:49
  has
• 37:49
  been,
• 37:49
  as
• 37:50
  usual,
• 37:50
  just
• 37:50
  a.
• 37:51
  An
• 37:52
  exquisitely
• 37:53
  beautiful
• 37:54
  dialogue.
• 37:54
  And
• 37:54
  I
• 37:55
  think
• 37:55
  even,
• 37:55
  perhaps
• 37:56
  beauty
• 37:57
  applies
• 37:57
  even
• 37:58
  more
• 37:58
  here.
• 37:59
  I
• 37:59
  can't
• 38:00
  resist
• 38:00
  just
• 38:00
  pointing
• 38:01
  out
• 38:01
  that
• 38:01
  in
• 38:01
  this
• 38:01
  chapter
• 38:02
  you
• 38:02
  describe
• 38:03
  beauty
• 38:04
  as
• 38:04
  a
• 38:05
  transparent
• 38:06
  transparency
• 38:07
  to
• 38:08
  true
• 38:08
  nature.
• 38:09
  Yeah.
• 38:10
  I
• 38:10
  think
• 38:10
  the
• 38:11
  love
• 38:11
  shows
• 38:11
  beauty
• 38:12
  because
• 38:12
  love
• 38:12
  and
• 38:13
  beauty,
• 38:13
  it
• 38:13
  sort
• 38:14
  of
• 38:14
  go
• 38:15
  together,
• 38:15
  you
• 38:16
  know,
• 38:17
  shows
• 38:18
  reality
• 38:18
  as
• 38:19
  beautiful.
• 38:21
  Yeah.
• 38:22
  Yeah.
• 38:24
  Well,
• 38:24
  amid,
• 38:24
  you've
• 38:24
  given
• 38:25
  us
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  beautiful
• 38:25
  gift,
• 38:26
  a
• 38:26
  loving
• 38:27
  gift,
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  gift
• 38:27
  of
• 38:28
  love.
• 38:28
  I
• 38:28
  think
• 38:29
  John
• 38:29
  and
• 38:29
  I
• 38:29
  have
• 38:29
  been,
• 38:30
  as
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  said,
• 38:30
  been
• 38:30
  very
• 38:31
  touched
• 38:32
  and
• 38:32
  am.
• 38:32
  I
• 38:32
  can
• 38:33
  feel
• 38:33
  myself
• 38:33
  getting
• 38:33
  teary.
• 38:34
  Am
• 38:35
  touched.
• 38:35
  Are
• 38:36
  touched
• 38:37
  through
• 38:37
  this
• 38:38
  dialogue
• 38:38
  and
• 38:39
  this
• 38:39
  discussion
• 38:39
  about.
• 38:40
  About
• 38:40
  this
• 38:41
  dimension
• 38:42
  of
• 38:42
  true
• 38:42
  nature.
• 38:42
  So
• 38:43
  I'm
• 38:44
  sure
• 38:44
  it's
• 38:44
  being.
• 38:44
  Going
• 38:44
  to
• 38:44
  be
• 38:45
  very,
• 38:45
  very
• 38:45
  touching
• 38:46
  for
• 38:46
  our
• 38:46
  community
• 38:47
  of
• 38:47
  listeners.
• 38:48
  So
• 38:48
  thank
• 38:48
  you
• 38:48
  so
• 38:49
  much.
• 38:49
  Yeah.
• 38:49
  And
• 38:49
  thank
• 38:50
  you
• 38:50
  for
• 38:50
  your
• 38:50
  generosity.
• 38:51
  I
• 38:51
  mean,
• 38:51
  being
• 38:51
  here
• 38:52
  with
• 38:52
  us.
• 38:52
  Hopefully
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  light
• 38:54
  will
• 38:54
  seep
• 38:54
  into
• 38:55
  the
• 38:55
  heart
• 38:55
  of
• 38:56
  all
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  listeners
• 38:58
  and
• 38:58
  from.
• 38:58
  Them,
• 38:59
  their
• 38:59
  hearts
• 38:59
  into
• 39:00
  others.
• 39:00
  Yes.
• 39:00
  May
• 39:01
  it
• 39:01
  be
• 39:01
  so.
• 39:02
  Love
• 39:02
  will
• 39:03
  spread.
• 39:04
  May
• 39:04
  it
• 39:04
  be
• 39:04
  so.
• 39:05
  Amen.
• 39:07
  Thank
• 39:07
  you
• 39:07
  so
• 39:08
  much
• 39:08
  Amid.
• 39:09
  See
• 39:09
  you
• 39:09
  in
• 39:09
  a
• 39:10
  month
• 39:10
  or
• 39:10
  so.
• 39:10
  Yeah.
• 39:11
  Thank
• 39:11
  you
• 39:11
  very
• 39:11
  much
• 39:12
  for
• 39:12
  being
• 39:12
  a
• 39:12
  part
• 39:13
  of
• 39:13
  this
• 39:13
  conversation.
• 39:14
  We
• 39:14
  hope
• 39:14
  that
• 39:15
  you
• 39:15
  were
• 39:15
  moved,
• 39:15
  as
• 39:16
  we
• 39:16
  are
• 39:16
  moved,
• 39:17
  being
• 39:17
  part
• 39:17
  of
• 39:17
  it
• 39:17
  ourselves.
• 39:18
  We'd
• 39:19
  also
• 39:19
  like
• 39:19
  to
• 39:19
  say
• 39:19
  that
• 39:20
  this
• 39:20
  is
• 39:20
  being
• 39:20
  funded
• 39:21
  by
• 39:21
  Roger
• 39:21
  and
• 39:22
  myself.
• 39:22
  It
• 39:22
  comes
• 39:22
  out
• 39:22
  of.
• 39:23
  Of
• 39:23
  our
• 39:23
  pockets.
• 39:23
  So
• 39:23
  if
• 39:23
  you
• 39:24
  would
• 39:24
  like
• 39:24
  to
• 39:24
  help
• 39:24
  us
• 39:25
  to
• 39:25
  mainly
• 39:26
  to
• 39:26
  get
• 39:26
  this
• 39:26
  podcast
• 39:27
  out
• 39:27
  to
• 39:27
  more
• 39:27
  people
• 39:28
  because
• 39:28
  the
• 39:28
  bigger
• 39:29
  audience
• 39:29
  have,
• 39:29
  which
• 39:29
  is
• 39:30
  steadily
• 39:30
  growing,
• 39:30
  but
• 39:30
  the
• 39:31
  more
• 39:31
  people
• 39:31
  we
• 39:31
  can
• 39:31
  reach
• 39:32
  and
• 39:32
  the
• 39:32
  more
• 39:32
  marketing
• 39:33
  we
• 39:33
  can
• 39:33
  do,
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  more
• 39:34
  positive
• 39:34
  effect
• 39:35
  we
• 39:35
  can
• 39:35
  have
• 39:35
  on
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  world.
• 39:36
  So
• 39:36
  we've
• 39:36
  done
• 39:36
  a
• 39:37
  couple
• 39:37
  of
• 39:37
  ways,
• 39:37
  but
• 39:37
  we'd
• 39:38
  like
• 39:38
  you
• 39:38
  to
• 39:38
  buy
• 39:38
  us
• 39:39
  a
• 39:39
  cup
• 39:39
  of
• 39:39
  coffee.
• 39:39
  Very
• 39:40
  simple.
• 39:40
  And
• 39:40
  I
• 39:40
  do
• 39:41
  that
• 39:41
  with
• 39:41
  podcasts
• 39:42
  that
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  support
• 39:43
  and
• 39:43
  I
• 39:44
  find
• 39:44
  it's
• 39:44
  very
• 39:44
  satisfying.
• 39:45
  So
• 39:45
  thank
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  for
• 39:46
  your
• 39:46
  help,
• 39:46
  thank
• 39:47
  you
• 39:47
  for
• 39:47
  your
• 39:47
  presence
• 39:47
  and
• 39:48
  thank
• 39:48
  you,
• 39:48
  you
• 39:48
  for
• 39:48
  all
• 39:49
  you
• 39:49
  are
• 39:49
  and
• 39:49
  all
• 39:50
  you
• 39:50
  do.
• 39:50
  We
• 39:50
  love
• 39:50
  you.