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Yes, Boomers You Can Learn to Talk Gen Z! · Boomer Has It!

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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever felt like the English language is shifting right underneath your feet?
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  SPEAKER_01: One day you're proudly correcting someone on the difference between affect and effect.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the next, young friends and family members are telling you that a cringe pop star is low-key, giving main character energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to Bait Boomer Has It, where we're taking a wild trip through time to look at how words live, breathe, and occasionally break.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we'll start back in the old school trenches of presidential mispronunciations and possibly dated strunken white usage guides.
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  SPEAKER_03: Then we'll track how the 21st century digital age completely supercharged our vocabulary, turning an innocent proper noun like Google into an active verb.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we can't stop in the present.
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  SPEAKER_01: To truly understand where English is going, we have to look at the frontier.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why we've invited a real live Gen Zer to weigh in on today's usage.
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  SPEAKER_01: Help us decode the modern lexicon and test drive some fresh slang and find out if boomers and Gen Xers stand a ghost of a chance of keeping up.
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  SPEAKER_01: So dust off your dictionaries or charge your smartphones because we're diving right in.
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  SPEAKER_01: From New York, I'm Jim Jalamis.
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  SPEAKER_01: From London, I'm JB Miller.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is Boomer Has It.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are joined by a verified member of Generation Z.
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  SPEAKER_01: For the sake of privacy, let's call her Antonia.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's an English major from an East Coast U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: liberal arts school and presently employed at a New York-based literary agency.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her reading tastes span the 19th century, Bronte sisters, to present day, with 27 finished books on her shelf this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Antonia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Boomer Has It.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm very happy to be here, to be your Gen Z representative.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're happy to have you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to begin by talking about archaisms, words that change over time and become obsolete.
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  SPEAKER_01: Boomers, you've enough experience to see how misused words, mispronounced words over time evolve into normal usage.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the first word, which is a massive pet peeve of mine, you two, please weigh in, is the word nuclear, sometimes expressed as nuclear.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it hurts my ears just hearing it.
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  SPEAKER_05: I hate it so much.
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  SPEAKER_08: It's also a very big pet peeve of mine.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I've been in many a class throughout high school and college where I've had teachers and professors use nuclear instead.
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  SPEAKER_08: And it's quite disappointing to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, it's not only teachers.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we've had a president of the United States, at least one, uh what, maybe two.
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  SPEAKER_03: Certainly, George W.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bush got into trouble.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um mispronunciation of nuclear crosses party lines because it the most recently it was George Bush, but before that in the 1970s, Jimmy Carter said nuclear all the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I can't even say it's terrible.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like nails down a chalkboard.
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  SPEAKER_03: This one may great because it's such an important word, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not like miss you know, mispronouncing uh puppy or something.
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  SPEAKER_03: Pewy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Poopy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well that would be bad.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nuclear, nuclear.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I'm not even good in mispronouncing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but what do you where do you think that comes from?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is it just is it misreading the word?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh mishearing the word?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, you know, it's another I I don't know where it comes from because because uh another word I like is disoriented or oriented.
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  SPEAKER_01: But love people love to say orientation.
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, nuclear really confuses me because it's not like it's spelled nuclear and we have to know to pronounce it differently.
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  SPEAKER_08: Nuclear is spelled nuclear, so I don't quite know where we got mixed up.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it starts at the top, you hear your president pronounce something a certain way, think, oh, that must be right.
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  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_08: That's a person in power who's supposed to be smart, who's supposed to, you know, be the leading you, I guess, politically and you know, vocabularily as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, final word here is the Merriam-Webster Dictionary records it as a commonly used pronunciation.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Oxford English dictionary notes that modern dictionaries, like Merriam-Webster, use it as a variant.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's the the verdict is it's recognized, documented, remains controversial, and many people still regard it as a mispronunciation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone out there, say nuclear, please.
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  SPEAKER_05: Nuclear.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nuclear.
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  SPEAKER_03: What about you mentioned um regardless?
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  SPEAKER_03: You actually heard someone on what on the radio or podcast use the word irregardless.
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  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I was just thinking about irregardless.
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  SPEAKER_01: I heard I heard an NPR um uh host, uh guest, no guest who is also a reporter, use irregardless.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh shame on you, irregardless.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a cross between between irrespective and regardless.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a double negative.
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  SPEAKER_03: Irregardless irregardless is a double negative.
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  SPEAKER_03: Double negative, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: That should be a clue that it is not pronounced or not, that it's not a real word.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it kind of does great, doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Irregardless.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: The word that has bugged me a lot lately for the last few years is the word democrat used as an adjective as opposed to democratic in in reg in reference to the party, the democratic party.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh what originally was a dig on the Democrats um from um who was it you said who was a Republican trying to cause hack.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm told it was Newt Gingrich himself, who said that calling Democrats Democratic was um was a disadvantage because it sounds beneficial.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: If we just call them the Democrat Party, oh, interesting, it they lose that extra effect.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've never heard that.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's actually very fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_03: But what's annoying to me is that is that Democrat, well, maybe it's not annoying.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say Democrats let it happen, and they started adopting Democrat as an adjective as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm a proud member of the Democrat Party, but in doing so, they ended up, I think, neutering the knock on that word.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it didn't, it's not a negative.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um having lost the last two letters, I don't think it's damaged the well, we'll find out in the midterms if if that is you the word.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy.
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  SPEAKER_08: Everyone say everyone say Democrat or Democrat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but there is with the passage of time, some words that are incorrect, they lose the incorrectness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Time heals all, I guess you could say because it's an evolving thing, language evolves, and it largely evolves generationally, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: So I think I think some terms and words that make great on our ears, Antonia doesn't have a problem with.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can we think of one?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean you there are but there are certainly words you guys use that we're not sure what they mean, what they are.
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  SPEAKER_03: We know how to pronounce them, but we're not sure what some of them are.
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  SPEAKER_08: But new meanings have emerged with with words that are familiar with you guys, if that's what is that what you're getting at?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, getting at new terms um from the you know, completely new terms, um, or words that um um you know that you make you may think that boomers are being pedantic when they when they for instance, oh I I've got one here for when people say um for intensive purposes, and it actually should be for all intents and purposes, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's but does that matter?
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you know people know what it um you know what it means?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um is that a problem, you think?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I mean, that's a problem for me.
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  SPEAKER_08: Like that's the kind of thing that really irritates me, but I'm not sure if I can speak for all of Gen Z on that.
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  SPEAKER_08: Because I mean, I'm someone who's grown up reading and around people who love to read.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I don't know, as an English major, that's something that I feel like I'm very particular about.
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  SPEAKER_08: But I do think I have friends who would not care.
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  SPEAKER_08: I have a lot of friends who use irregardless a lot.
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  SPEAKER_08: So perhaps that's something that I would look out for because I've had the pleasure of studying what I love to study.
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  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, I'm not sure if other people would catch it my age.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you could be maybe you have uncouth friends.
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  SPEAKER_03: Perhaps.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, or maybe you have friends who think that you're being pedantic.
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  SPEAKER_08: Wait, I fear this.
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  SPEAKER_08: I fear this sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_08: I do.
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  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're God, Tony, you're being so pedantic with the language, but you were for literary age, so you should be pedantic about the language.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_08: That's all correct.
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  SPEAKER_08: I think I actually used the word pedantic one time, and my friends were like, huh?
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  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, okay, I can use a different word.
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  SPEAKER_08: I can use a different vocabulary.
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  SPEAKER_03: Pedantic is pedantic.
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  SPEAKER_03: You the use of the word pedantic is being pedantic.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: It is totally.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe this we're drifting to another conversation that if for people who love words and who are vocabularists, I've just made that up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I totally like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we're a little antisocial.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but I'm gonna go into a word that really bugs me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the using the word nauseous when you should be saying nauseated.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the the thing that I'll explain the difference if anyone doesn't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: God God rest your soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh is that it's it's the difference is becoming um common usage to say to replace nauseous with nauseated.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's no longer a rule to follow, but nauseous means sickening to contemplate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you think of something that makes you, you know, I don't know, think of something sickening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um any anything out anybody have any ideas out there taking the compost down.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Taking the compost down is be would be nauseous.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but what about so how is that different from nauseated?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Now I'm thinking I'm I might confuse those two words.
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  SPEAKER_03: What's not what does nauseated mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: It means you're sick to your stomach.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're you wake up with an upset stomach because seeing JD Vance on TV made you not it was a nauseous experience to it the effect on you nauseated you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then according to Strunken White, they say, do not say I feel nauseous unless you are sure you have that effect on others.
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  SPEAKER_08: If you say I feel nauseous, you you feel like you give off a sickening vibe.
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  SPEAKER_00: You give off a vibe.
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  SPEAKER_03: Easter egg.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel nauseous.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: You are giving off the nauseating vibe.
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  SPEAKER_08: So it's like I feel nauseated.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_08: I feel nauseated, but like maybe, maybe when I get out of a hot yoga class and I'm really sweaty, I feel nauseous.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe to others, to others, to others.
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  SPEAKER_03: How can you feel nauseous to others?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, because they would be smelling you and getting nauseated, right?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: Put myself on blast.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, that was a I I confess, I don't know, this is a video medium because more people are watching us on YouTube, but JB has his hand up.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think I think I I may I may misuse those words.
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  SPEAKER_03: The the one that's a pet peeve of mine is people who confuse fewer with less.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's quite mixing up quantitative with qualitative, fewer people, because you know how many as a number, less salt, right?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because you can't count all the granules.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's qualitative as opposed to quantitative.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: If there's a number, if the number can be affixed to anything you're describing, it should be fewer, um, not less.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: People confuse that all the time.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it drives me nuts.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_03: I correct my children sometimes and they uh take the correction well because they don't want to feel that they mix those two up.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you hear it, I hear it all the time on the radio and on television.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's so maybe I'm being pedantic, but it it drives me nuts.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I was in when I was in England and I said and I said, I'll have fewer salt on my chips.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did that make you annoyed?
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  SPEAKER_03: It made me confuse.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, fewer salt.
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  SPEAKER_03: You could say, you could say, oh, excuse me, that was uh 98 granules of salt.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: I really wanted less.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: I wanted fewer, fewer granules, fewer salt granules.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_08: This is gonna make me pay more attention to when I use those words because that's never something I've considered before.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, I knew I've never thought about that.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I'm gonna pay close attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wait, so let's uh what would be a what misusage of less?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh less people.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there are less people came to my last reading, and I was uh I was expecting that's wrong.
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  SPEAKER_08: I feel like I'm not sure if I would like naturally say that.
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  SPEAKER_08: I feel like I would use fewer there, fewer people.
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  SPEAKER_08: But not because I'm making the like cognitive decision that that's the correct word to use.
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  SPEAKER_08: Just sounds more correct in my head.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's a lot about what what language is.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you read a lot, um, it becomes second nature and something will sound wrong to your ear.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that means you're speaking the language correctly, using the language correctly without even being maybe aware of the finer points of it.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine because that's what the language is.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: But and and again, if you know the rules and you hear them used incorrectly, as opposed to not wrong, because uh wrong is not an adjective, right?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Wrong wrong is an adjective, wrongly an advert.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Wrongly an advert.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, so you know things sound uh incorrect to to your to your ears.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: You can correct your friends and they will be really ticked off at you, and they won't like it.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: They won't, they won't.
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  SPEAKER_08: I really maybe doing them a favor.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm allergic to sitting silently.
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  SPEAKER_08: It's kind of like when I hear a friend say withering heights instead of Wuthering Heights.
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  SPEAKER_08: Like, I I just can't sit there and pretend like I'm not upset about it.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: So how well how do you express it?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do it politely or do you call them Miss Cretans?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_08: It would I would look a little something like this.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'd go, Ooh, ooh, ooh, hate to be that person.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_08: You know I love you.
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  SPEAKER_08: It's Wuthering Heights.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_08: It's Wuthering Heights.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_08: So sorry, won't do it again.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_08: That's usually what I what I try to do.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: How does Cake Bush sing it?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: She doesn't sing Withering Heights, right?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_08: No, exactly.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_08: Let's look at some more texts, why don't we?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_08: Musical text.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: Music, yeah, just listen to the music.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_03: If it's non-music two years, it's incorrect.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, you make up an it's an interesting point, is you know, when we vocabularists hear something wrong, do we do ourselves a disservice by just quickly correcting someone?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: You come off as pedantic, right?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I think your reaction was very sympathetic.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe everyone who loves words out there when they hear um poor usage should be like I couldn't help but notice that you you pronounced athlete with three syllables.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually two syllables.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Athlete.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas you don't say, My ears are bleeding from what you just said.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's all in the delivery.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: It hurts me to hear you pronounce it that way.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_05: You say, oh no, stupid.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, we can no longer be friends.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Either way you pronounce nuclear art.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's just not acceptable to me.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_06: That would be worth reevaluating a friendship for me.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_06: Do not darken my literary premises again.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, what other words, what other words are out there that bother us?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Do we should is there enough time to talk about pet peeves?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_08: Ooh, that's good.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, well, I'm someone who really can't stand when people put the word had in front of a verb.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I I'm trying to think of an example.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I I had taken out the compost this morning.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: I had taken out the compost this morning.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: It nauseated me.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_08: Like, no, like you took out the the garbage or the compost this morning.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know, just use using the active verb is always the right way to go about things.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_08: And a lot of the time you can just like take out had.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_08: It didn't even have to be there to begin with.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_08: And it's just wordy and it and it, you know, it's visually disruptive to me.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_08: I I really it's hard for me to get through a book if you're not gonna be able to do it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_08: But I use the word had.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: So, but uh this is there a difference between literary English and and spoken English.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you are a literary person.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you are applying, maybe we all are applying literary rules to a spoken language, which is a different language, different thing.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_08: You're right.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_08: That's a very good distinction.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_08: I think if I heard someone saying it in a conversation, I wouldn't expect them to be delivering the sentence in the cleanest, most succinct way.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_08: But when I'm reading something, whether that's like a paper or I'm reading a magazine article or a book, and I see that a lot, that one's a hard one for me.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's I think that's fair.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: We we know that the language evolves um uh generationally, but I think it also differs geographically.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna say a sentence and tell me if it sounds odd to your ears.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was sat there when my friend showed up.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: You were what?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: I was sat there as opposed to I was sitting there.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: I was sat there when the uh when my friend showed up.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is this how people talk in Appalachia or something?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's how they talk in England.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's a British, that's a Britishism.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: And and it took me a while to realize that was correct in Britain.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: I was sat there thinking that maybe I was in the wrong cafe, and that as opposed to I was sitting in the cafe or I sat in the cafe, but I was sat.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder if that goes back to Chaucer or something.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds so you can't correct it.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: My family have been using that expression since 1263, don't you know?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: So, but it but for ages I thought, wasn't it?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, am I hearing that wrong?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's a geographical difference.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: You think of you think of England as being, you know, the country of Shakespeare, and that everyone here speaks so so correctly, but it's just a different, it's a there, I I wish I had a listen to the other ones, but there are a lot of Britishisms or British the Satan construction, which is just differs from the US.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: And and Jim, you mentioned yeah Appalachia, but I mean, yes, I mean the US is enormous, and there probably are uses of the language geographically in the US that differ from you snooty guys in New York with all your publishing houses and literary agencies, lati da.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's a theory that that hillbilly talk descends from Victor uh Elizabethan English, you know, like I'd done gone yonder to cook cook up some fittles.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'd done be speaking Shakespeare when I cooked up them fittles.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, likely excuse.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I think it's interesting.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_08: There's something to say.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_08: Like if I heard a British person deliver the sentence that we were talking about before, I what was it?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_08: I was sitting.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was sat there.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_08: I was sat there.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_08: I think there is something kind of interesting that they like there's like a patience, and you know, you take your time to deliver what you're saying and you really kind of like set the scene for me.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_08: But I also do think that it would help that that person's British for me.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: That would help.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_08: You know, like the British accent, like it's kind of like a grand way of saying it.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_08: And I I do appreciate that.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I know.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: I punched someone last time I heard someone say it in the cafe, I just slapped them on the face.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, excuse me, sir.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think that's quite the right way to answer.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, you I didn't know there were not everyone speaks like they're a Shakespearean actor here.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh maybe Judy Dench said it, it would sound a lot nicer.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'll grant you that.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: She can say anything, it'll sound nice.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I don't think she would I like to think she wouldn't say that, but um, because it is sort of a colloquial then again, all right, colloquial English versus uh what literary English?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Should we say literary American and colloquial American?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: Are these two remember the famous?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: I forget, I think it was maybe George Bernard Shaw who said um uh English is ooh the common language separated.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um all right.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: Talk amongst yourselves while trying to remember.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know what?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: I I will you you remember it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, America, I got it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: America and England and America are two nations separated by a common language.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go back to the word had though.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because maybe we should ask when should you were use the word had?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I hear it used excessively, I think by people who think they're speaking proper English.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: But where we're when we use the word had, we're using the plu perfect.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right, JB Miller?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's the plu perfect tense.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, indeed.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: And it should be a rare use, uh rare tense.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's the flu perfect, right?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's so it's a way to it's a way to compare t moments in time before and after.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: I took out the guard garbage, but I had taken the compost out prior, since we're talking about garbage and compost.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's further in the past than was or did.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Plu perfect is a couple of steps away from the present.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_08: But then it but it does the same thing to me.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_08: Like I did this, then I did this is so much better than I did this, then I had done this.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, it's terrible.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_08: I hate it.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's a way to distinguish two moments in time that are in the past for precision, for precision.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I I don't know.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't I think it's maybe too formal to use in common in common conversation.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'd use it a lot in writing because if you're writing something in the past tense where everything is in the past tense, or or all the action, sorry, most of the action of the past tense, you will be using the pluper quite a lot because there'll be actions that happen before the time that you are writing about.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: So I think it's and I think it it clarifies it in in literary, in literature, in the writing, the written language, it is clarifying in the spoken language.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's it can it's confusing unless it's used in the right way, which it isn't confusing because it's just it's more uh clear of when an act took place.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: But it sounds like people aren't using it correctly.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: Is that right?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: You guys, you word lovers, I'm gonna move us along because we have one more section before we get to the nutritionally dense conversation about current usage.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think the middle section that we're gonna discuss is how how the 21st century has uh tra drastically um accelerated how English bends and bl and transforms.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think you need to be a tech historian to say that uh digital innovations profoundly shape the way we talk today.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: The danger is, boomers, gen Xers, and others, is if you're a Luddite, you're or if you're just not paying attention, you're not just failing to keep up with technology, you're falling behind on language too.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the two trends I'm going to point out for the sake of this pod are noun-verb variants.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So these are words that shift their grammatical job from noun to verb and whose meanings expanded dramatically in the last 26 years.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: So consider a word like Google, email and text.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: They move fluidly between noun and verb.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: I I Googled um the the recipe yesterday.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I emailed my friend to get my money back.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, text me when you get this your next idea.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And we can add some other words like troll, zoom, direct message, but we say DM me.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I received a DM that was quite insulting.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um and screenshot.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And do any of you have other verb transformations that bug or delight you?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm delighted by a lot of the tech language.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like a word like uh like spam is a fantastic use of that word, and it is from Monty Python, you know.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it it's a you can imagine all these tech nerds who helped create the tech language who are Monty Python fans because they're nerds.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: And um, I always appreciated uh some of the I'm trying to think of other ones, but that well, that one particular, I thought was that.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: And spam actually is it's a it's an English invention, isn't it?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I think so.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Wartime is supposedly it was a cheap form of meat during the war, uh during rationing, I believe.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_08: Although it's very popular, it's very popular in some Asian dishes as well.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've learned yeah, and I think in Hawaiian dishes.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, yes.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hawaiian, yeah, Hawaiians have adopted spam.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's more expensive than I always think it should be.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: If it's you know it is like I want to get proper ham rather than spam.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: But yes, it's still it's still made, and I guess it bec it's become a delicacy.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: But there are other tech words that I think are quite are quite clever.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: The different uses of them um don't particularly bother me.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Text me as opposed to text is a text is a verb, text is a noun.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't bother me, particularly email.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: Emailed me past tense.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: You still keep the past, you don't when you say it's in the past, you add an ed to it.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I, you know, you they are treating these one.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: We are treating these words, we are getting uh under the um you know proper um linguistic rules.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: You could say right.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: She she had emailed me before I texted my invoice.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Please don't say that.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I think it's also Well, no, that's correct.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: It is correct.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_08: It's correct.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_08: I just dislike it.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_08: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_08: Let me be careful about this.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_08: It's nauseous.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: It nauseates you.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's a nauseous use that it's the nauseous thing.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna keep away from the nauseated thing because I've got to spend it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_08: It's so hard.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_08: I still have trouble with it.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but I also think it's interesting how you know, then characteristics of the act of doing these, you know, um virtual word verb things is how how they they can come their own verbs as well.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_08: So like instead of saying, oh, like text me when you're done, I hear a lot of like ping me when you're done.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_08: You know?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_08: And like that's that comes from the sound that a text makes.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_08: And yeah, now it's a verb.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Ping me.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh because a phone, when the because we used to say when there were telephones, the phone rang.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: Our iPhones don't really ring in that way.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: They they warble or and we don't dial.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: We used to dial phones, now we tap tap our phones, you know, it just the physical act and the sound have changed as the um as the the uh you know technology should a word I like is um is astroturf.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's a brilliant use is the the use of the word Astroturf to convey fake grassroots campaign, right?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_06: That's great.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's really good.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Brilliant is that a what's the that's anyways?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's a brilliant use of that word because it's it's so evocative.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: So rather than a true grassroots campaign, it's an Astroturf campaign.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's an example of of adjusting the language in a very, I think, very clever way.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: I've never heard that.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's really good.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh I'm gonna move this along.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And since the word spam came up, it's a perfect transition to the topic of blended words, also known as portmanteaus.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_07: Ah, portmanteau.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, any French speakers in the house, Mr.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Miller?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: No, look at me.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: I know what a portmanteau is.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a suitcase with two sections in it, but I think it comes from the word, the French word portée to carry.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's right.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And manteau, like a manta ray, which is a fish.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, manteau is a cake.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: Carry a fish.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Fish I am carrying my fish with my portmanteau.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: We we have a lot of uh portmantea's become very popular with p things like a branch, um, like Brangelina.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that a portmanteau name?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I was gonna say the word a ship name.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_08: That's when you ship people.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_08: So that was when they were together, so that was their ship name.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_08: So that was a good example.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard that expression.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I have no ship name.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_08: So like so when you ship people, it's when there is a couple that usually the internet has created, or it's like celebrities that have started dating that the internet isn't really excited about.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_08: You ship them together.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_08: So, and then typically you'll get a name, which is a combination of the two names.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_08: So, like you and mom, Jim and Carol, you guys could be Kim, or you guys could be Gerald.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I like Gerald.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, maybe I should start using them.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's like, oh, like I ship Gerald.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: What what's the ship reference?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if they had a ship, that would be the name of the ship, or whatever.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, that's a you know, that's a good question.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like maybe ship name.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: I thought you meant it was to transport.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_08: No, that no, like you, I mean, the way that I've always kind of imagined it in my head is that like you're sending these two people off on a ship so they can be together.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_08: You ship them.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_08: I don't quite know the I Why don't we take a look?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_08: I can I can, you know, go to the side.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because in the meantime, we're we're getting off course a little bit, speaking of ships, uh, because spam, I believe, is a portmanteau of spiced ham.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just like the word podcast is a portmanteau of the word using the word iPod, which was the conventional use of compressed audio, uh, and broadcast.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: But more commonly we say clickbait, doom scrolling, stacation, and the dreaded mansplaining.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that one is I do like I do like scrolling.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's another sort of tech term.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's very evocative.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, doom scrolling.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_07: And it can feel like that.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: Mansplaining, uh, I suppose yeah, and that's not perfect because it doesn't rhyme with the explain, mansplain, but it's got the um I guess it's got the consonants so where you can say it easily.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_08: I think it also kind of asserts the same power of like manspreading a little bit, like you know, when you men sit and tie lots of space on public transportation.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_08: So I feel like uh it also maybe comes from that as well.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's a good that's a good point because it's it's evocative of of uh manspreading in it, but it's man, yeah, that's probably right.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's probably what why they that term sort of came about.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um so and let me just explain to you what I mean when men say um man split.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, do tell me, I just don't know.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_05: My little brain needs a man to tell me in a long fashion.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Explaining, mansplaining.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, okay.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: What is that?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: So those those are portmanteaux have been had been used a lot more in the last 10 or 20 years as our language gets faster, more condensed, and um, and we are uh what we have less time.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's there's nothing to do with, I guess, texting.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: Texting squishes language in a different way.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly the research I did was that I that I that turned up for me was that we're you know, uh the blended words are more efficient, especially when you're you're communicating in a text-based way, whether it's text messaging or DM or whatever it is, you need brevity um and catchiness, you know, to to to um get people's attention.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_08: And you know, sometimes I'm thinking, like with the example of Doom scrolling, scrolling isn't enough.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_08: Like when you're really doom scrolling, like you've been in bed and you've been on TikTok or Instagram reels or something, and you just like can't get yourself out of bed off your phone, staring at your screen.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_08: You don't even like it.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_08: You don't even like what you're watching, and you don't even want to be doing it anymore.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_08: But there is that, like the doom added to the scrolling does emphasize that kind of like addictive but also terrible quality to that act.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and we all do we're all doing it, I think.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean especially in the current political climate when there's so much news happening so quickly and conflict and so much traffic.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_08: So it's like we're all doomed, also, maybe is another part collecting.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_08: We wouldn't be doomed if we just stop scrolling, just put your phone away, put it away, put it away.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, I have this idea also about um, you know, there must be a name for it when a uh a commercial product replaces a um, you know, uh a normal word, and I'm thinking of the word Kleenex, right?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: We would reach for paper tissue paper, but we say Kleenex instead.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna venture this that the new Kleenex is chat GPT.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: So there are a number of available chat bots, uh at least a dozen, but we generically say ask chat GPT.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_08: Or people have been shorting it to ask chat, or they're just like, hey chat, hey chat.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, right.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: Even if you don't use chat GPT, if you use one of the other, what are the others, AI tools?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: How does Gen Z talk about AI?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: You say you say ask chat.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, you could put it into chat.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_08: You could ask chat.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: I see.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it's not AI anymore, isn't it?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: And uh intelligent, uh helpful intelligence.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that is more that is more fitting for sure.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: But no, that that's that's where creativity killers.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: We bring that up because that's someone in in a in a in a position of huge power trying to forcefully change the language to his political advantage, and it's not working.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's a losing battle, don't you think?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: But that's that was bald face trying to artificially change the language immediately.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting how that he, you know, he does he who shall not be named, who's our current president, has a it's interesting.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I never really thought of it before.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: He has a focus on on language.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: We have Gulf of America, um it's the the Secretary of War, Department of War.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_08: Well, he relies on being like grand and dramatic, and it's because this might it's just because what a lot of his following can digest.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_08: It's easy.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_08: But he's also done some it's a more attention grabbing, and that's a lot easier to grasp than that.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: But it's interesting that he uses language instead of maybe something else that another because it's easier to use language instead of actually you know using legislation.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's better.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: He's not successful, I think, with the you know, Gulf of America versus Gulf of Mexico, but he has been successful.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: We discussed this on a previous pod in totally reversing the meaning of the term fake news.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember that?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: When fake news first came, it it would it directly referred to his faking the news, his lying about the news.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: And within weeks, it seems he turned it 180 degrees into what the mainstream media was fake news.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's like an oxymoron now.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: He got away with that.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: He did get away with it.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: He got no, he did less so maybe now, because there still is a mainstream media to some degree.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: But he, I was floored how quickly he changed the meaning of that term.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was a matter of weeks.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: It worked really well with 77 million people, but you're right.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's an interesting point.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Fake fake news is what people who were reasonable and and uh uh observant could could distinguish between you know what's real and what isn't, what are facts, what aren't facts, alternative facts to coin a phrase.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_08: Again, they like the drama of it, they like the grandness of it, they like things that they like that they can adopt these terms or they can it's catchy.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_08: It's catchy, and it also almost gives them a language for them to talk about politics.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_08: Like I think a lot of the time people feel like they don't have the language to talk politics because it's highly intelligent or you need to be really educated for it.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_08: But when you have just little catchphrases that you can learn, it kind of gives you that language that you maybe otherwise felt left out of.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a way of casting your vote.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you, if you're if you're on the right, uh you're a Trump supporter and you say fake news, you've you know you've you're it's I hate this term, virtue signaling.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what you're doing, aren't you?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um guys, we're gonna move this along because this is this is the this is the protein entree of our podcast today.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: These are words that boomers, Gen Xers should recognize and consider.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we've got a list here of about a a dozen with more to go.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_08: We can go through them quickly.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um how would we like to begin?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_08: Shall we start at the beginning?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we start at the beginning?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, so first we have the term low-key, which also is accompanied by its friend high key.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_08: And oh yeah, something can be high key.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_08: And that's that's the that's where you distinguish.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_08: So if something's low-key, it's it's somewhat, it's quietly happening without making a big deal about it.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_08: But my friends and I use low-key in any context context.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_08: And in fact, I actually have some texts up that I can read so you can see the many different times that we use it.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_08: So let's see.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_08: This is when I was talking to my good friend Madison about our snack plans for the movie we were watching, to which we were discussing what kind of food we might want to get.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_08: I said I would do dinner of popcorn and froyo low-key, which is my way of saying I really want to get popcorn and frozen yogurt.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_08: Putting that out there.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_08: But putting space.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I'm glad you explained what froyo was.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, froyo.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: That got caught on that.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's like a something, like a little child's game on a string that goes up and down.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_05: Not to be confused with a yo-yo, fro yo for frozen yogurt.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Please, please continue.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_08: Um, let's see.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_08: I'm trying to find another one.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_08: This one, a lot of it's like used in agreement too.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_08: Like, yeah, low-key.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_08: That's all it says.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_08: It's like someone will say something and you agree, and you're like, oh my god, like I didn't quite realize that.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, you're right.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_08: I do agree with that sentiment.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you how would you express it?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_08: Um, you'd be like, low key.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_08: Oh yeah, low-key.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_08: But also if something's like on the other end of it, if something's kind of more like aggressive, it's high key.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_08: Like, oh, let's see, maybe I can find some examples of high key if you guys What would be aggressive?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_08: Like an opinion.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_08: Let's see, I'm finding it if I is an opinion or an idea, or like if something happened and like it high key had an effect, some kind of effect.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think of this ex this this example I came up with?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: I low-key preferred Charlie XEX to Sabrina Carpenter.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Is that good usage?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, like, I don't think any of my friends would say that.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: Speak your own language, grandpa.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe we'll go to the next one.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: But what's wrong with it?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: Why did it just not sound right?
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: Why why did it sound right?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it's just like a little generic.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_08: It sounds like you we were trying to come up with an example.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_08: You know, it just I feel like maybe low key feel like, well, yes.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_08: So I mean, congratulations there.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_08: But low-key and high key are more, I feel like, used in reactions to things.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also, isn't it, it's an adverb?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you say I low-key prefer, it's modifying the word preferred.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: That makes it an adverb, am I right?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_08: I guess you're right.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that does sound correct to me.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: But then you can say low-key as a reaction.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_08: So it has it wears many hats, I guess.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: So you wouldn't say like low-key popcorn for um minor popcorn.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_03: Cheap popcorn.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's an adjective.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what's wrong?
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's a you know why you pose an interesting question.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: That would be an adjective.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: I just read it.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: I read a I read a low-key book.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say that.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: You wouldn't say I low-key enjoyed that book.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I low-key really liked that book.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_08: Or you could say I high key hated that book.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_08: Uh huh.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_08: You know, it's a way of emphasizing your feelings about something.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're saying you low-key hated the book, then it didn't really bother you that much.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: But if you high key hated it, you really bothers you.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, it really but exactly.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can't high key like something, can you?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you can.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, gee, I'm so you're doing great.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_08: You're doing great.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_08: Let's move it along.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_08: Let's move it along.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_08: There will be a quiz later.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_08: No, okay.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Vibe.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: The word vibe, the word vibe, V is in Victor I B E.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: It means mood or atmosphere.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's used as a verb.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Here's my example.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let's hear it.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm vibing with this new cafe.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: The music and the crowd are great.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_06: That's a great example.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_08: That is how I would use the word vibe.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_08: Vibe is easier.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_08: Vibe is is is exactly what you would think it it means.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but you can also like vibe with someone, you know, like, oh, like I was talking to this person, we were really vibing.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_08: Or, or like I went to a yoga class and I was really vibing with the teacher, you know?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's a positive thing, you're connecting with it.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what it means?
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_08: But, you know, there is the possibility that someone has a bad vibe.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_08: Like people can have a bad vibe, but you would have to distinguish that it's bad.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_08: Because I think if you point out.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Vibes go back to our our our formative years.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's a 60s term, man.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that concert gave me bad vibes, man.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: It was a bad trip, right?
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_03: I I took some mescaline and I had a bad trip.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Bad vibes, bad vibes.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_03: But that's plural.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: The vibes were plural, not singular.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they were eas that's vibes can be plural.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_08: That's right.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: It can.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, less commonly, I think.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_08: But like we, I, okay, so I again, I have been doing some searches in my text messages with my friends to see what comes up.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_08: And a lot of it's also like, oh, I hate that vibe.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_08: So if like you're like my friend was talking about how she was studying for her MCAT for like eight hours and her brain hurts, we were like, oh, we hate that vibe for you.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_08: But again, if you're describing a vibe that you don't like, you have to distinguish that it's a bad one because I think it naturally has a positive essence to it.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh okay.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, and also, sorry, last thing I'm gonna say about vibe is another thing my friends and I will do is say we say vibe check.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_08: So like if we don't know what time we're meeting, or if we don't have a concrete plan, we're like, okay, vibe check, what's everyone doing?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_08: That's another way you can use the word.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna move us along to one of the most, one of the most widely used uh phrases, not even no words that I I just can't get a grip on.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's the word sleigh.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, slay.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_08: I love sleigh.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_08: People are actually starting to say that sleigh is getting dated.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_08: But I use sleigh all the time.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_08: It's just like part of my nature now.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_08: My friends all say sleigh.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_08: That is, you know, how you celebrate someone.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_08: You you're slaying that slays.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_08: And it's it's it's successful in a really fabulous and sparkly awesome way.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's how I would define the you you slay me.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that's a term we've heard before, as in, you know, well, you really impressed me.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: You you know, you knocked me out.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: Slay me.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: You slay me.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Slim similar use of the word.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I think that I think that works.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my research says that it's actually been around a long time, prevalently used in um LGBTQ plus ballroom culture and in Harlem.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh you could hear it in the word in the movie Paris is burning, if anyone remembers that.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, great film.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Remember that film?
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: That was a hot film.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: It was about the drag balls in Harlem back at the 80s, I think.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: I would watch that.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: That sounds awesome.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was they also uh you'll hear it in RuPaul's drag race, too.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_08: Also, it was very big when Beyonce came out with formation.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_08: She repeats, Asla, hey, askla, hey.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_08: So that was big for the 2016.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: So Beyonce helped popularize it.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_08: I think she had a part in it.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: Has Terra Swift popularized any any words?
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, that is a good question.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh, I'm not sure.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like I should be more well-versed in that, but I don't I can't come up with anything on the top of my head.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna keep that ruminating.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, as we continue.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because if there's anyone who who could, you know, really affect the language.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: Those kind of musical personalities through you know popular music.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: That was um Taylor Swift's her biggest breakout song was um probably you belong with me.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_08: She does talk a lot about wordplay, like okay, some like language things that I can think about for Taylor Swift because she's been very vocal about her love for making sourdough, and she tries to make bread puns when she names each of her sourdough starters.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: What's a bread pun?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_08: So, like, for example, it would be um, she has a song called Red, and one of the lines in that song is Loving You Was Red.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_08: So the bread, the sourdough starter was thus called Loving You Was Bread instead of Loving You Is Red.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_08: Or like, um, I'm trying to come up with another.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_08: She had a whole list of them.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_08: But sourdough or not, she talks a lot about how she has specific rules for herself when it comes to writing.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: What about the word twink?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, I will hear twink a lot.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, there's a there's a uh I I've heard this in a tick tock about there are two people and one of them I identifies as a twink.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Something and a twink.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_08: Twink and a redhead.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Twink and a redhead.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now it reached these boomer ears while I was listening to uh the bull work daily.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: Tim Miller cited a rumor.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's make that clear.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: A rumor that Peter Teal is harvesting blood from young men for self-injection to maintain his youthful looks.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's unproven at best.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's a reason I don't like to listen to the bull work because they they they use rumors often more than be it takes a long time to get past the jokes and the rumors be quite facts.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: So what's the twink re reference?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: So a twink is a term to describe a boyish or young looking nav, yes.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's the vernacular.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_08: There's like an effervent an effervescence.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a Timmler is gay, by the way.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe that makes it you know exclusive.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe if I say twink, people would throw a rocket.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I probably, if I were you, would not go around using calling someone a twink.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: I sure I certainly couldn't call myself a twink.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_08: But this is just your truth.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's just your truth.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this could lead us to a conversation about um discussion about you know ownership and s with certain words.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: And that's culturally, you know, culturally, certain groups who have ownership words that other groups culturally are not really um that's a great conversation, actually.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, for the same, for the same token, and this is a a slight um a slight digression, um, we're at the top of the pod we're talking about the sort of pedantic nature of some correcting people the way they speak.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: But remember, like, which may not be a term that's used anymore, but black English vernacular, okay, people of color using the language completely differently, um, with different rules, you know, double negatives, da-da-da.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, which that's not wrong.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: That is a cultural uh aspect of the language.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, that if maybe you know, if a white person wrote in that in that uh kind of language, it'd be it might be um insulting because it might it's that's a good point.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or alternatively, you know, if a white person said you shouldn't speak in double negatives, then um it would be it would be um tone deaf.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well it's uh there's a vernacular you're saying you're being picky about a vernacular.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost a microaggression, perhaps.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: More yeah, microaggression.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean microaggression, yeah.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's I think it's more than tone deaf.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: That the the language is a living thing.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, and there are uh the writers of color who write in a complete different uh you know vernacular that's incredibly so lyrical and poetic and has its own internal logic and rules.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um it just differs, you know, it's not wrong at all.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's a it's a part of the uh of the language.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: I've changed my mind on this, by the way.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: 30 years ago, I would was very, very uh pernickety or persnickety as the Americans say.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think we say pernickety here uh about the language.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, you know, people of color, you know, double negative.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: No, uh that's a that's total that's total acceptable uh use of the language.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_03: And does that mean that these rules are fast?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um they're not.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_03: They're they are um oh what's the word?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're amorphous, really.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I do think this is also probably a good time to mention that a lot of the slang that I'm talking about or mentioning, a lot of it, not just now, but for a very, very, very long time, it does come from POC culture.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_08: And it's that we'll hear a certain group of people using language, and then the dominant culture comes in and takes it and runs with it.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_08: But we did not create this.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and this goes back to the case.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: Which is a tale as old as dirt to the 19th century, goes back to you know, jazz.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, oh yeah, that's jazz lyrics, uh the you know, uh so I think it's um that's that's why I it's one of the things I like about the American language because it really does incorporate all these different cultural influences.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_03: This is another boomer issue because I've always been in favor of the melting pot, which is uh to a lot of people a discredited um you know concept now.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_03: But inclusive in the melting pot is this cultural so amalgamation of all these different you know Yiddishisms.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: In New York, you're gonna come across a lot of Yiddish words which have been adopted by the language.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: People who aren't Jewish or Yiddish use a part of the language and you know, black American English, um, and you know, Greek American, there must be a lot of different Italian, all of the all of the different um you know immigrant groups that uh have have contributed to the language.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I think the American language has probably changed more and changed faster than the British language has, which goes back centuries, right?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: Here.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so you know, and and in New York, they may you may have some New York expressions that if you went to other parts of the country, they wouldn't maybe, but for sure.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe they wouldn't understand you, or maybe they would understand you more than they would have been 30 years ago because we have more of a monoculture now, and they hear this online, or they hear this in the language or in television, right?
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: You we've seen probably see uh popular TV series that God, writers are always wanting to be as hip to the language as they can.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I I hear things on television.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know these words, and that's new to me, right?
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: And it could be some 50-year-old, you know, white writer in a writer's room who heard it somewhere online and wants to um, you know, well, they try not to do that.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: I imagine if there are um black characters, you you definitely want a black um, you know, writer on your in the writer's room.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: Or uh I recently heard on a podcast that um um uh what was it?
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: There was a uh it may have been Stranger Things or some series that had young people.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: They had a a they had some young um young people who came into the writer's room to vet the scripts to say, no, we wouldn't say that.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: Wrong, wrong.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Funny you say that because at the top of my script, I use the I used a phrase, I'll repeat it, is an example of what I think is Gen Z language.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: A cringe pop star is low-key giving main character energy.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I can't believe you think we sound like and I I know it is because we sound like that, but that was just damn.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was the old writer in the writer's room who didn't get vetted.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_08: And there are like a lot of shows that will write scripts like that and sound like that.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_08: They and you see, I think part of the problem there is that you used so many in one sentence.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_08: You know, and no, which totally was effective.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_08: I actually think it's like it was effective in getting the point across.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_08: Um totally like it was, but it wasn't it, it wasn't like immediately representative of how you know we speak to each other, which we were talking about earlier with the whole had thing.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_08: Like, can we expect people to omit had to sound like precise when they're talking versus can we just let people say what they mean?
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_08: So I think it was a great example for opening our discussion up, but when it comes to applying it to the real life scenario, no, it's probably not it's a well, it's a question of authenticity, isn't it?
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Whether whether we're trying to mimic street slang or southern slang or Englishisms, you know.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_03: Antonio, do you do you ever watch something um on television and the language just in the a young person, you know, your age is speaking and it just sounds wrong to you, the writer who's trying to sound all right, that's interesting.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I wouldn't be able to catch it out, but you could it it happens a lot.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_06: They do you in the writer's room there.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, if anyone wants me, yeah, I will be available for you.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna have a quiz for you now.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-oh.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: Quiz.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_07: I'm scared.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's about a special word, and I think only one of us can answer the quiz.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: And this concerns a word that English people toss around quite casually.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: In the US, it can still get you to feminist prison for committing a gender slur.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do we need a uh warning?
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: There are some people, a certain demographic, reclaiming this word as a compliment for a woman with serious resilience.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, like a girl boss.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: What an adjective too.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: And who wants to guess that word?
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_08: Mimi, I do.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_08: Can I?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, please.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_08: The word, no, no, no, no.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_08: We're doing this.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_08: The word is cunt.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_08: The word is cunt.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_08: Ow, ow.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: As a man, I've I'm uh I'm uh I'm just offended by that word.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_08: No, but that's not what we're trying to do here.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_08: We are there's been a reclaiming of the word cunt.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_08: It's something that is beautiful, it's something that is unique, it's something that is so authentically itself in a really fabulous, amazing way.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_08: And, you know, you could even, if you want to, use the term cunty.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_08: Like some like a pair of boots can be cunty, like cunty little boots.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_03: Now, this is coming from I think this rage originated here in Britain, where they've been slinging around that word, like it's uh sling it around like we say okay here in the United States.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_03: They sling it around.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: But it's uh sort of like in the United States.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, should I open the cereal box?
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: Cunt.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: Should I no?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_03: What's it's a look at?
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is it okay if we go out?
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: Cunt.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_03: But it's but women sling it around.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: This is women have ownership of this word.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_03: Men, I don't think you really, even now, I don't think men can sling that word.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: What about in Britain?
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think so.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think men should not be offended by it on the behalf of women, right?
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_08: I think I think this is a term for the girls and the gays.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_08: It's a term for the girls and the gays, but I think it's the men's job to not go when you hear it.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, quite right.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's gay.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: You have to understand we've been conditioned.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, no, that makes sense to me.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, if I ever used that word growing up in my household, I would I would still be in jail.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my sister would have stocked me the next Thursday.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, all right.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_03: Can can a male, can can a gay guy call himself a cunt or call his gay friends cunts?
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, like, I don't know because I feel like it's not really like calling someone a cunt.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_08: It's like cunt cunt is like something you it's not like something you call someone, it's like something that you become, something you are.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_08: It's a little, it's not as easy as can you use it as a noun?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like Taylor Swift.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_08: Is she a No you can't, but like it's not you're a cunt.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's like it's like that is cunt.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_03: I see.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, I think that's okay.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because here, no, it's an it can be used as a noun.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, come on, all my favorite cunts.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_03: Let's meet at this bar on, you know, um I love that Birmingham Street.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, come on, all my country friends like you're great cunt.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_03: You're my favorite friend.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_08: So maybe it started in Britain.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_08: It's a term of endearment.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_08: See that?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_08: All my favorite term of endearment.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_08: I love that.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_03: The British term of endearment.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's been around a while.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I still don't think, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm not correct about this, but I don't really think you can like call someone a cunt.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_08: Like you can't identify someone as a cunt, but like their actions can be cunt or with their clothing.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's America, that's an American um sort of diffusion of the term.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_08: I think there is a huge reclaiming of the word cunt.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_08: In fact, there's a very popular show called Adults that I love with my whole heart.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_08: I love that show.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_08: And there is an episode in season two dedicated to integrating the word cunt in the workplace.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm not gonna say anything else about the episode because it's very funny, and I think that it's something that should be experienced with no spoilers.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I think you could you could share the premise without ruining it because it's a hilarious, it's a hilarious whoever came up with this presence, this premise in the writer's room is genius.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_08: That writer's room is pure gold.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_08: Just have to like say that for a second.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_08: Such a good show.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_08: TV is back.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, sorry, what is this show called?
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: Adults?
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's called Adults.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_08: It's about these 525-ish, um, that's their age, um, young adults who are living in their friend's parents' two-story house in Queens while the parents are backpacking around the US and traveling.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so one of the characters, Anton, he is, he has, he's the only one with a corporate job and the only one who like gets up, goes to the office, whatever.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_08: But you know, he's he's like a fun, relatable, gay man.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_08: And you know, he the lot of the beginning of the episode shows the language that he uses with his friends, and everyone just like loves him at work.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_08: Then he uses the word cunt, and all hell breaks loose.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_08: They were not at work.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_08: The workplace was not ready for cunt, they did not know about cunt.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_08: So then it was how do I, you know, am I gonna lose my job?
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_08: Am I gonna get blacklisted from corporate America?
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_08: What's gonna happen to me?
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_08: So to try and aid that, they get their friend Isa to join as a temp to help integrate cunt into the workplace, but that doesn't immediately happen.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, that to try to help her friend, she gets hired as a temp and starts using the word um liberally at the off.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I'll well what I'll say, what I'll say is that's what she's pretty funny.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_08: Wait, what I what I will say is that what that's what she's supposed to do.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I get it.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_08: That's her the assignment.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_08: What actually happens, I'm not gonna say anything else, but I highly, highly urge you.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_03: All right, adults is available on what platform?
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_03: Hulu.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_03: Hulu.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_05: Slash adults on Hulu.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_03: Hulu, call us.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_03: We'd like to you to be our first advertiser.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_05: Please.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, since we've been talking about women, then how does Gen Z talk about men?
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: And how would you classify me?
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: And how would you classify my my noble pod part?
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh, this is very difficult.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I'll begin with just a few phrases.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_08: The first one is baby girl.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_08: And I think you guys could both be baby girl a little bit.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_08: So calling a man baby girl, and like he, a baby girl as a man, he is just perfect.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_08: He's kind of adorable.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_08: He holds the door open for you because it's what his parents taught him to do.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_08: He will proudly wear pink and not be feared of how society will take that in.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I'm trying to think of some other things, you know.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds so patronizing, baby girl.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_08: Baby girl, no, but it's adorable.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_08: And like we love baby girls.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_08: Like, it's good to be a baby.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_08: And you could also be like a big hunky guy, and like you could be baby girl sometimes, you know, meek but endearing.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think my son's a baby girl because he's got exquisite manners, he's very deferential.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_03: He would always uh open the door for for you know women.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's got old, old school kind of manners.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know he was a baby girl.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: You've met this uh young man.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: How would you how would you categorize?
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_08: I think baby girl totally works.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a compliment.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_08: And it's a compliment, it's a good thing.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_08: Like this conversation came up when I was abroad.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_08: I had a friend and we called him baby girl, and he didn't quite get it.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_08: But then once we explained, he understood that it was a compliment.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_08: But I actually think in that conversation, he would maybe be more described as my next term, which is himbo.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: And let's spell that.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_08: So himbo is H-I-M-B-O.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like bimbo.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_08: Like bimbo, but him.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, a portmanteau.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_08: A portmanteau.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: But that's an insult because as a bimbo, bimbo's an insult.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_03: Himbo must be an insult too, right?
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_08: Well, actually, people have kind of been trying to take bimbo back, but I don't think you you should.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_08: I think that's like still in the works a little bit.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_03: But be careful calling any women bimbo.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_03: Don't do that, but don't do that.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_08: Don't do that.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so a himbo is under construction.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_08: A himbo is someone who is like physically attractive in like a conventional way, but like maybe there's like a little less going on in the brain department.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_08: So it's like a little that Panther.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_08: That sounds like Yeah, no, that one's actually not as nice now that I'm thinking about it.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_08: So it's more like but it's appealing.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's appealing.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_08: But it's it's still appealing.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_08: And it's like, and it's they're not a bad guy.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_08: Like it's not like you're a bad dude, you're just like maybe lacking a little something.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_08: So I think sometimes someone can appear as himbo and then actually it re it's revealed that they're more baby girl.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, this is getting complicated, but I'm just kind of intrigued.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_08: Like sometimes people will come across as like attractive and like maybe they haven't said some of like the smartest things ever, but then you get to know them and you learn that oh no, they're actually like quite precious and they're baby girl.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're a himbo, it's implied you don't have a lot of brains.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_03: But if you're a baby girl, you do have brains and as well as good manners, or you can I would say so.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_08: I would say so.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_08: And I think but I think another thing about himbo is that like there is an inherent kindness that comes with that.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Which makes it which makes it appealing.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds quite quite different from from from bimbo.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_03: Bimbo doesn't imply kindness or it doesn't, absolutely.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's just an insult.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it?
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: There was certain words that we as um straight people, or if you know, if we're a white person, you can't say, um, but the certain constituents constituency uh reclaim words like fag, like n-word, which I wouldn't even say uh in the podcast, but but you know, people have ownership of certain words that we don't have.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right, that's true.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but that's different, that's a different argument.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_07: That's a good point, though.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that it belongs to some people, whereas it it absolutely does not to other people.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, I mean, cunt fits into that, you know.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's woman's word.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_03: Uh how about the word cringe, another C word.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_03: That we've been hearing a lot lately.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_03: And that's your generation, or is it yeah, that's Gen Z behind that word, right?
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_08: And you know, cringe, it's it's you know, exactly what you think it means.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_08: It's that like that like horrible tensing you feel when something just like really embarrassing happens.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_08: You know, you like get shivers up and down your spine and like not in a good way.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: But the difference is it's it's not a verb.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the conventional usage and understanding, the meaning is is I cringe when JD Vance speaks in.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's become a noun.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_06: So true.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_06: It's become a noun.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_06: It has.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_06: So like that is cringe.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's you're being the qualifier, it's an adjective.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_08: Something's cringey, even perhaps.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's a oh, cringey.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: So it's both noun and um ad adjective?
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_03: Adjective and noun.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_03: But it's spelled the same way.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_03: Did you use that in a sentence?
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_03: Cringe.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_08: Um, let me think.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're having a hard time thinking about it.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: You say it a hundred times a day.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_08: I know, I know.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_03: Being on a podcast with these old white guys, it's cringe.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_08: How was that?
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, that was a great one.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_08: That was grace.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_08: All right.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_08: Or it'll be like, or like, um, like if someone's like maybe having like a public fight somewhere, it's like, oh my god, like they need to take it out inside.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_08: Like, that's kind of cringe.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_08: Like, why are they, you know?
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_08: I know it's not a good example.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_08: I can't come up with anything.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_03: Sound good to me.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_03: But people know what it means anyway.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's not a complicated uh but it's a new, it's a new use of the of a of an old verb.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, all right, Jim, what's next on your list?
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're coming to the end of our list.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: We've got two more to go.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, neither of which uh resonate with me so much, but I I do hear my my barista friends of a certain vintage using the word poppin' to describe a party that was happening, that was stylish, that was excellent.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and the word has roots in African-American slang going back many decades.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but particularly the hip-hop era, but the the the aughts.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um but boomers beware, if you're taking a cue here, you might sound dated if you're using it.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_08: I would say that maybe pop-in might be a little millennial.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, shock.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_03: I ain't using that word.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, cringe.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_08: Like I wouldn't say that I use pop-in often.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_08: That's not in my immediate vocabulary arsenal.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard you say it once.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_08: I don't, I don't say it.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_03: So, Jim, how old are these these people have been using this word in the mid-late 30s?
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so that's more what millennial.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those they are millennials.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_03: And what does it mean?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_03: It just means good happening.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_03: Hip happening, hip happening again.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's popping.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_08: You know, you might also know the song, they're like, My lip glosses pop in, my lip gloss is cool.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_08: That was a that was a big time.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_05: My lip gloss by whom.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, sorry, I used the word whom.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_06: I should, I should know that.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's spelled without the G.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's Lil Mama.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_08: By Lil Mama.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Lil Mama.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_08: So that was a really big moment for poppin'.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because it pops out, your lip gloss pops out, it's like it jumps out in.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_08: It's almost a dug double entendre because it's also like happening, you know, like my lip gloss is pop and happening, okay.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_08: It's popping, it's popping.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_08: That's from 2008.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, ancient history, okay.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_03: Ancient history again.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so the last one, which just does not resonate with me, it never did.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't say it.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's uh a verbal confirmation.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's when people say 100%.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_03: I use 100 that's not Gen Z, is it?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's just uh that's an old is it?
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_03: What's that from?
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think it's Gen Z.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I I just feel like it's been around for a long time, but it it's kind of timeless.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_08: Anyone can use 100%.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_08: It's just the truth.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I don't think it's generational.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_08: Something that I do personally, sometimes like 100% isn't enough.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_08: I'll say like 110%, because I really want to emphasize how in agreement I am or how excited I am.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was watching a show dated probably 2017.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was an excellent show, the network program called Um Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just very well underpraised show with Rachel Bloom, who's all over Broadway right now.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: But they they would use a shortened version of it from time to time, Hundo P.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and I think that's gone away with the you know, with with network television.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_08: I've never I remember when people were using Hundo P.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_08: I think I tried to implement it, but it just doesn't come naturally to me.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_08: I think I've never heard it of it, Hundo P.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_08: I think it's a little stupid.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I and I remember when um when I used to work for a major privately owned life insurance company, we had a uh a large gathering of all employees uh to introduce the new CEO.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he was a youngish guy and um well respected.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: And there was a canned question from the PR team to ask if he was committed to our um uh what's called the um boy, it's been a long time since I've been in insurance.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the a this a certain distribution model that's very important in insurance.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's all you need to know.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And his one answer was 100%.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Cue the standing applause, the cheers, yay, new CEO.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_01: We love you, you're youthful.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that was about four or five years ago.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: That was five years ago.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um if he grew up during the 1930s, he'd say 60.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be wow, that's incredible.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's like way above 43.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's brilliant.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's gone, not with inflation.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's 100% makes that.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: I thought maybe he'd say bingo if he was from another generation.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Bingo, bingo, yeah, bingo.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe if he was maybe if he was um, you know, sort of had like a bad personality and didn't like the question, he'd say, nerds to you, fella.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember the term the term peachy king?
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's peachy keen.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's a boomer that's from the 60s, I think, isn't it?
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sir, are you committed to the distribution model?
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_03: Peachy keen.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even know exactly what it meant.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_03: I know what it what it means.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know what the what the what the derivation is.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_08: Sounds like a like double emphasis because something can be peachy and something can be keen, and it's both of those things, so it must be awesome.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you're probably right.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was um, you know, Asian overlord or something.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_03: We were attacked by Peachy Keen.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, you know, Genghis Khan's younger brother was known as Peachy Keen.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's honestly what I thought.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was from.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's because like something can be peachy and something can be keen.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_05: So it's it happens.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: We have okay.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um we've come to the end of our list, host, co-host, and guest.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you have any parting thoughts.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I do have my own list of words that I can go through quickly if you guys wouldn't mind.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_08: If you guys are have some learning left in you.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't my brain doesn't hurt.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_08: I can go very quickly.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_08: So first we have sus, which just means suspicious, but like it and you wouldn't say someone's being suspicious, you say they're being sus.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_08: They're acting sus.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_08: So that's a good one.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_08: Next we have chopped.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_08: Chopped is a favorite of mine.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_08: That means something is unattractive.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Unattractive.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_08: Unattractive, visually not to your liking.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_08: Um, you're chopped.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, how about another example of chopped?
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_08: Like, um, like, okay, yesterday I was shopping with my friend, and we were trying trying clothes on, and we were like, we just feel too chopped to be shopping right now.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_08: You know, like I need to wash my hair, I don't have any makeup on, I was in like sweatpants.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_08: I felt chopped.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_08: I kind of like that.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's great.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_08: Chopped is great.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's versatile.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, it's great.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_08: I love chopped, it's a it's a favorite of mine.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_08: So next we have you know this one.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_08: You know this one, we have tea.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sweet mother.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_08: Sometimes I come home.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_08: What does that mean?
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_08: Sometimes I come home and I'm like, Dad, I have tea.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_08: And he scurries into the room, sits on the couch.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_08: What is it?
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_08: Tea is another word for gossip.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_08: So, like sometimes you get a good piece of tea and you're like, what's it from?
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_03: What's it stand for?
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's spelled like the beverage, by the way.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_08: I think it's like tea.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, tea like you sip.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_08: I think it comes from the idea that people would like gossip over tea.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_08: Like they'd have tea and like exchange gossips.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I have to say, I that word is really useful.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you could have a room of Gen Z data scientists who are trying to you know reveal some kind of you know, nuclear code or you know, and if you walk in there and said, I have tea, they'd stop everything.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_08: You stop everything, you drop everything.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my god.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: And they might respond by saying, Who spilled the tea?
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_08: Or you well sure.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_08: Or you or you'd be like, What's the tea?
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_08: And then, like, if if it's a really good, if it's like really, really shocking, you can be like, that's tea.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_08: That is tea.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's really useful.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna write that one down.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_08: That one's another favorite of mine.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, next, this one's a this is another one that I use a lot.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_08: Eating ate.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_08: If someone did a really, really good job of something, like you ate.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_08: You ate that up, you ate down, you're eating.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm confused.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: So eating is an achievement.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_08: Like you ate that up.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-oh.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: So like it up.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's common use of that.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_03: So that's a different term.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_03: We use it, you ate it up being we we totally consumed it.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_03: I read this book, I totally ate it up.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_03: But that's not the same as what you're implying.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_08: I think this one is like, you did such an amazing job.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_08: It sometimes is even like you ate and you left no crumbs.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_08: You ate the whole table.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_08: So, like, okay, the other day I was helping my mom with a social media post, but she did a lot of it herself.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, oh my God, you ate.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_08: She ate it up all by herself.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_08: And she left no crumbs.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_08: And she left no crumbs.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_08: She's so tidy.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_08: She's tidy.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_08: Next we have being locked in.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_08: Now, I think this one I feel it could be a little self-explanatory.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_08: That's just when you're really, really focused on something.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_08: So, like, I'm really locked into work right now.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_08: I'm really locked into my book.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_08: Or if you've been procrastinating, you say, Oh, I have to lock in on the thing that you've been procrastinating.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_01: That one's good.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_01: We use that one a lot.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of very obvious but effective.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_08: And then next, oh, this is another favorite of mine.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_08: The term is bot coming from robot.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_08: If you're a bot, it means that you're kind of like having an awkward social moment.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_08: You're you can say, like, oh, I bought it out.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_08: You know, like you're in a conversation, the words aren't coming to you, you're short circuiting a little bit, you're not quite a real human.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_08: You don't feel like a real human because you're not delivering yourself well.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_08: And then you can you'll like leave and you're like, oh, I was such a bot.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard the term femme bot, which is um, I think a derogatory term for it's like a bimbo, a femme bot.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_03: I never knew that one.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_08: I I don't, I'm not as familiar, but it I'm I'm slightly aware of it.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's a Britishism.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_08: Perhaps.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, being a bot, I think it also comes from what was really popular for a while was the term NPC, which is which stands for non-playable character.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_08: Usually NPCs are in a video game, they're like the ones that just like mull around as like visual background.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so NPC was used for someone who's like kind of appears in your life, but like you don't know who they are and they're not relevant to you.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_08: Like they're an NPC.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_08: So I think that's where the term botting also kind of came from.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_08: This idea of like they're real appearing, but they're not actually real and they don't have lots of substance.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_08: Um and I and I that's where my that's where my list concludes.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good list.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_08: Uh thank you so much.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you for your patience with me and your attentiveness.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_08: Everyone gets an A plus.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well done.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think we all ate.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, we all ate.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_08: Slay.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_08: We all slayed.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_03: We slayed.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, cool.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Antonia, thanks so much for being on.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_03: We wanted to have you on for a while.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh, I'm so honored to be the guest on the language one.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_08: That's my favorite.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_08: I'm so happy to be here.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_08: It's such a great time.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_08: Thanks for having me.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Jim, do you have a do you have a do you have a headquake or not?
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I oh, should we all do three do three headquakes now?
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_08: Well, if we have them, uh you start us off, maybe we'll get inspired.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I watched The Social Reckoning last night.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's a great Aaron Sorkin film.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know the reviews are middling.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think you could criticize it for being too much Aaron Sorkin, if that's a problem for you.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's not for me.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_07: That could never be a problem for me.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's his um it's his second take on on Facebook.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I I he did everything that he does well, which was to take a pretty complex topic and dramatize it.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was done really well.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Jeremy Allen White plays the Wall Street Journal reporter, the dogged reporter investigating the story behind Facebook.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Mickey Madison, Mikey Madison from Onora, seen in a completely different role.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: She's she's very strong in the role.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_01: She does a great job.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I love her.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of a lot of character actors you'd recognize.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but Jeremy Strong playing a diabolical Mark Zuckerberg.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, maybe too much, or maybe maybe we just don't understand the real Mark Zuckerberg.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm going to go with it.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Does he play a tall Zuckerberg?
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't look tall.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think he's tall.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't look thought if Jeremy Strong is tall, but maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I don't think he is.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're you know, where he has a place in Williamsburg, and we have sightings we have uh from time to time.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Not me.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we have friends who saw him taking out the garbage one day.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so normal height.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, normal height.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_03: T right there.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_03: There's some garbage.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_08: That is tea.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_08: He was low-key taking out the trash.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's my headquake, JB.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I I don't know if there's a word for this, but when food goes out of print or unavailable, I'm holding up for our few listeners who aren't on YouTube a an empty, sadly empty jar of Parsons pickled cockles, which I become addicted to over the last couple of years.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_03: I put it's kind of a tongue twister, isn't it?
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is pickled cockles.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Pickled pickled cockle pickled cockles, um, the pickled part of the vinegar.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I put them in shellfish pasta with um with uh shrimp, and these are no longer available.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I was buying boxes at a time.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'd buy like uh 12 jars or 14 jars at a time, but sadly, um no longer available.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_03: I actually called them up in Wales.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_03: I called up Parsons and they said, We're having some distribution problems.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's not distribution problems.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_03: I think uh maybe because of climate change, they uh there's been uh maybe because of the heat wave, something happened.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_08: Can you have listeners find JB his cockles?
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_03: JB's cockles.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_08: Everyone out there, listeners, you have to help us.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_08: I understand.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_08: I understand because I'm a huge sriracha fan.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_08: And a few years ago there was a sriracha shortage.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_08: There was a ship.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_03: What is sriracha?
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_08: Sriracha is a very delicious and garlicky hot sauce that I love.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_08: There was a shortage of it.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know exactly what I'm going.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's a very hard time.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm still trying to figure out what is a cockle anyway.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's a very small shellfish, it's smaller than mussels.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_03: You can get um cockled mussels, but they ain't nothing on on uh pickled cockles.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_08: The OG cockles.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's a we should have done OG.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: What's OG?
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Original.
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  SPEAKER_01: Original gangster.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_03: Original gangster cockles.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Antonia, what's your headquake?
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_08: Um, well, I started the new Carrie miniseries on Amazon Prime, and it is a, you know, present-day take on Stephen King's Carrie.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_08: And I actually think that this would be a good example of implementing Gen Z slang slash everyday practices in a successful way.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I would say there are maybe a few cringy moments.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_08: However, I think that those moments were supposed to be cringe.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_08: So I think that they were actually used successfully then.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but I'm I haven't finished it yet, but I'm quite happy with what I've seen so far.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_08: It's definitely scary.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_08: The acting's been good.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_08: And I found that the ways that they implement either phones in classes or even lockdown drills, I found that it came actually quite naturally instead of feeling forced.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm enjoying myself so far and I'm excited to finish it.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh good.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's good recommendation.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_03: Brilliant.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_03: Did you have lockdown drills?
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I did.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think we were we were too young for the for the duck and cover, right, Jim?
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_01: We never had new boomers who were too young for the nuclear, nuclear uh attack scenarios.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, we missed that by uh a few years.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_03: I think I traumatized an entire generation of kids.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_07: I can imagine.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, great.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, what a great and long and rambling and wonderful discussion we've had about the language.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_03: We could go on, but we could keep going.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Give our listeners and viewers a break.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe we'll do a part two at some point because there's so much language to talk about.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks again, Antonia.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_03: So lovely to have you on.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you guys for having me.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_08: I had a great time.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_01: In New York, I'm Jim Jelamis.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm JB Miller in London.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: And this has been Boomer Has It.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right, see you next time.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_05: Bye.