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Grey Matters—A Hopeful Approach to Cognitive Health and Aging · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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  Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
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  Speaker 1: I do love that introduction because who wouldn't love to
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  Speaker 1: that's what Ageless and Timeless is all about, is feeling
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  Speaker 1: of yourself. And all these guests that the amazing guests
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  Speaker 1: that we have on are able to give their point
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  Speaker 1: some of their information and their direction and their advice
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  Speaker 1: and use that in your own experience and your own journey.
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  Speaker 1: So today I'm very fortunate to have Deborah Geisler, a
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  Speaker 1: guest who I've been speaking with for quite a while.
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  Speaker 1: On Her very close colleague is doctor Dale Brettison, who
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  Speaker 1: was on our podcast a week ago, and I hope
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  Speaker 1: you all caught that wonderful podcast and we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: doctor Dale's protocol with Deborah today. So welcome Deborah, Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. Yeah, you're an amazing woman.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear, we want to hear all about you.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you tell us your journey? How did
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  Speaker 1: you go from Harvard to being involved with doctor Bretison
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  Speaker 1: and this wonderful new company that's going to grow so
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  Speaker 1: exponentially called Grave Matters Great.
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  Speaker 2: So I, as you know, I was a healthcare CEO,
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  Speaker 2: and I really felt like we were not paying enough
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  Speaker 2: attention to our patients and really wanting to make sure
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  Speaker 2: we could embrace our patients with their uniqueness and their opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: So I started my own company. It was called Activate Healthcare,
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  Speaker 2: and we really worked with employers directly to say, let's
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  Speaker 2: embrace the patient with their uniqueness and understand who they are,
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  Speaker 2: but actually get to know the patient and their whole
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  Speaker 2: comprehensive self and get to the root cause of what
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  Speaker 2: was driving their health issues. And through that process and
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  Speaker 2: then I sold my company. It was a great company.
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  Speaker 2: We saved people a lot of money, we helped a
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  Speaker 2: lot of lives, and we had a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: see they improve their health. And through that organization. When
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  Speaker 2: I sold it, I was introduced to doctor Bretison. And
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  Speaker 2: the reason that doctor Bretison and I related so well
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  Speaker 2: together was he was doing the exact same thing, only
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  Speaker 2: he focused in on dementia and he was focusing in
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  Speaker 2: on getting to the root cause of what is causing
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  Speaker 2: dementia and really saying if we get to what that
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  Speaker 2: root cause is and fix that, we should be able
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  Speaker 2: to turn people around. And he's shown that result and
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  Speaker 2: next we've seen that in our clinic. So I'm delighted
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  Speaker 2: to be doctor Bretison as part owner a founder with
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  Speaker 2: the clinic that we have when we take care of
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  Speaker 2: our patients, and I've learned a lot. You know, as
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  Speaker 2: a healthcare CEO, you see the masses and you tend
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  Speaker 2: to talk to insurance companies. It's really hard to get
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  Speaker 2: to know the employers and the basic patient. So really
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  Speaker 2: getting to understand this disease has been very eye opening
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  Speaker 2: for me as a former CEO.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're taking the steps that MAHA is all about,
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  Speaker 1: which is too basically a functional medicine, which is you
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  Speaker 1: know Jeffrey, doctor Jeffrey Bland and all the proteges that
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  Speaker 1: have followed him, to basically look not at symptoms but
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  Speaker 1: at the root cause of the illness. And secondly, most
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  Speaker 1: and probably as importantly, to spend time with the patient.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that our healthcare system is so disabled?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I started my own company.
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  Speaker 2: You know, here's why it's disabled, because we his finances
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  Speaker 2: usually drive the business, right. I've been in healthcare in
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  Speaker 2: a very long time. When we used to be community hospitals,
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  Speaker 2: we were nonprofit because we were supporting the communities. But
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  Speaker 2: then we grew into specialists, very smart people, very smart providers,
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  Speaker 2: who started dissecting every part of the body. And so
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  Speaker 2: we have a specialist for every part of the but
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  Speaker 2: we started to forget the whole person, and then we
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  Speaker 2: started to measure the success of that piece of that procedure.
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  Speaker 2: So if you go to the er, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: say we did all the right things for this disease.
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  Speaker 2: That may have not been all the right things for
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  Speaker 2: that individual, though, you know, I mean because we did
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  Speaker 2: we forgot the person in the process though, because if
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  Speaker 2: you look at the electronic medical records and everything, they
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  Speaker 2: were designed for financial processes. How do you do your billing,
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  Speaker 2: how do you do your coding, how do you make
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  Speaker 2: the financial So that's really what's driven the success of
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  Speaker 2: the health systems is through insurance and billing. When you
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  Speaker 2: take that apart and you look at a quasi functional
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  Speaker 2: medicine slash look at the whole patient, you realize that
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  Speaker 2: if we actually provided comprehensive care to the patient, understood
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  Speaker 2: them better. Why are these things happen? We can reduce
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  Speaker 2: a lot of visits, and we could save a lot
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  Speaker 2: of pain for these patients by looking at them individually
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  Speaker 2: and what the causes are.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll talked a moment about how Great Matters was formed.
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  Speaker 4: In the concept and the mission.
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  Speaker 1: So in the meantime, though, before we get to that,
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  Speaker 1: just how do you feel that you can change that
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  Speaker 1: paradigm without the insurance you know, complement, because obviously insurance
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  Speaker 1: is a big part of why the system is run
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  Speaker 1: the way you just described.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they've been struggling for a long
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  Speaker 2: time time to find value based care, so I think
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  Speaker 2: they have wanted to do that. Remember also that you know,
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  Speaker 2: the primary care is really the population the physician group
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  Speaker 2: that takes care of the whole patient.
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  Speaker 4: So you we've kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of skipped over that primary care person managing the whole
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  Speaker 2: patient and still are looking at value based care in
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  Speaker 2: the way that quality is driven. So but I think
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  Speaker 2: the insurance companies are striving And as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: Medicare just came up with a program called the Guide program,
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  Speaker 2: which is encouraging people to have more involvement in the
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  Speaker 2: patient by some care management program.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that the trend is coming.
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  Speaker 2: It's really hard to change from a fee for service
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  Speaker 2: model to a value based model, and it takes a
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  Speaker 2: lot of time, but there's you can see parts of
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  Speaker 2: it coming coming around.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it'll happen.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's groups like my group there, they got bought.
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  Speaker 2: They now have seven hundred clinics across the country. So
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  Speaker 2: there's groups that are working and understanding you put the
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  Speaker 2: patient in the center instead of the insurance company. So
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  Speaker 2: it's it's coming, it's very slow.
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  Speaker 1: Are they finding that in your prior company? Are they
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  Speaker 1: finding that they can make money.
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  Speaker 4: And be profitable?
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  Speaker 1: I mean really profitable, And obviously that's what a business
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  Speaker 1: is about without the insurance component.
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  Speaker 2: In my previous company did we did no billing. We
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  Speaker 2: were paid directly by the employer, and we were paid
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  Speaker 2: by the employer to manage the total population. And so
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  Speaker 2: having a consistant provider manage a population by getting to
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  Speaker 2: know who you are and managing your care. When you
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  Speaker 2: go to a cardiologist or a gi or undercinologist, you're
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  Speaker 2: getting a snapshot of your patient. And I always say
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  Speaker 2: that the specialists are diagnosticians. They're not care givers. So
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  Speaker 2: if you give that information back to the primary care
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  Speaker 2: and saying I am the person who's managing your whole care,
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  Speaker 2: we'll bring all the components together. We're going to take
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  Speaker 2: care of you, and we're going to find out what's
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  Speaker 2: causing this.
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  Speaker 3: We were able to.
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  Speaker 2: We had when I sold the company, we had two
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  Speaker 2: hundred different employers and almost all of them were getting
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  Speaker 2: a return on investment.
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  Speaker 3: We were making a profit, and when we're.
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  Speaker 2: Reaching probably seventy to eighty percent of the population and
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  Speaker 2: improving their health, so it was really a win win
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  Speaker 2: win for everybody. The providers loved it, the payers loved it,
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  Speaker 2: the patients were getting an experience beyond belief, and.
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  Speaker 4: Then the insurance companies aren't getting as many.
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  Speaker 1: Claims correct, so they loved it too.
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  Speaker 3: You're exactly right. You're exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: That's very Now, why is medicare doing this new program?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think what's motivating them?
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  Speaker 2: Here here's my belief. I'm guessing from the sidelines, but
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  Speaker 2: here's what I believe. I think when you look at
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  Speaker 2: the diseases that are facing Americans today, the disease that
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  Speaker 2: consumes the most resources over a long period of time
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  Speaker 2: is cognitive decline in Alzheimer's Because if you have cancer,
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  Speaker 2: if you have a heart condition, they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: probably last ten to twelve years.
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  Speaker 3: With deteriorating conditions.
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  Speaker 2: You can have some supplements for cancers, some for heart
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  Speaker 2: probably not going to have ten or twelve years. But
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  Speaker 2: what happens is with cognitive decline, people become completely incapacitated.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that Medicare thinks there's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: enough long term care, assisted living centers, There's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be enough private duty for the patients, There's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be enough resources in the last three and
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  Speaker 2: families are constrained by this. People are going broke by
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  Speaker 2: trying to support this opportunity. So I think Medicare believes
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  Speaker 2: I believe, I hope they believe this that we have
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  Speaker 2: to bend the curve here. We have to do something
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  Speaker 2: or we're all going to go. Who are trying to
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  Speaker 2: provide Medicare for the volumes of people who could be
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  Speaker 2: affected by this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor Redison said, three hundred and fifty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: a year is what family space if their loved ones
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  Speaker 1: are in a care center.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's amazing, and that's probably I do think that
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  Speaker 2: they've underestimated how many people are going to have cognitum
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  Speaker 2: decline in Alzheimer's, and you're actually seeing it showing up
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  Speaker 2: in the younger years like you've seen with cancer and
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  Speaker 2: heart problems. And because a lot of times people go
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  Speaker 2: to the doctor by themselves, and the doctor will say,
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  Speaker 2: here's the things that are wrong, and are you having
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  Speaker 2: any other problems? If they're by themselves, are going to
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  Speaker 2: say no. So I think we're just not capturing all
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  Speaker 2: of the opportunities to bend this curb ins on this disease.
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  Speaker 1: Is it forty five million Americans a year that are
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  Speaker 1: currently in cognitive decline?
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  Speaker 3: Is that the right number? I don't I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: that that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's around thirteen million that's expected, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I should look it up. Because doctor Gretison did
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  Speaker 1: say what the in my podcast? You should listen to
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  Speaker 1: right now. We just posted it live, so if you
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  Speaker 5: bit now and talk about great matters.
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  Speaker 1: How did the concept get you evolved or get defined?
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  Speaker 1: And what is the concept and what is the mission?
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  Speaker 2: So so doctor Bretson was got pretty excited when he
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  Speaker 2: discovered we can turn this around if we get to
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  Speaker 2: the root cause.
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  Speaker 3: And he trained a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes he did, and so some of the people got
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  Speaker 2: into it, and we're a little bit over their heads,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were like, Okay, this is this is
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  Speaker 2: not as easy as it sounds. We know the protocols,
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  Speaker 2: but it's going to take time. Doesn't really fit into
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  Speaker 2: my practice, you know, I may not be able to
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  Speaker 2: handle all the complications with the population. So there was
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  Speaker 2: it happened to be a clinic in Sarasota, Florida, that
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  Speaker 2: the provider got into it and said, I, this is
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  Speaker 2: not I'm just I have a population here, but I
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  Speaker 2: need somebody else to manage it. And so I had
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  Speaker 2: just sold my company and I had met doctor Bretison,
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  Speaker 2: and we decided, well, let's go take that population and
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  Speaker 2: see if we can put primary care in the center
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  Speaker 2: of it, managing the whole patient. Because a lot of times,
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  Speaker 2: if you have cognitive decline or cognitive issues, you go
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  Speaker 2: to your primary care doctor, they send you to a
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  Speaker 2: neurologist or somebody else, and then you sit around and
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  Speaker 2: wait to decline. So so putting the primary care around
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  Speaker 2: the center saying a couple of things. One is we're
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  Speaker 2: going to manage your total care. We want to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and Dale and I talked about this. Doctor Brest and
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  Speaker 2: I talked about this. We're going to manage your total care.
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  Speaker 2: And that's really important because a lot of times when
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  Speaker 2: people have cognitive declineate, it's hard for them to express
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  Speaker 2: all of their issues that are going on with their health.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll find they haven't managed their diabetes, we haven't
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  Speaker 2: managed their hormones, they have other issues going on, and
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  Speaker 2: so we really try to manage the total person and
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  Speaker 2: then we treat them as a holistic person trying to
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  Speaker 2: manage their care. The second thing we understand is that
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  Speaker 2: you can't just say to the person, here's what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: here's why it's happening.
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  Speaker 4: Go home.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's like when you go to a conference.
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  Speaker 2: You go to a conference and you learn all these things,
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  Speaker 2: you go back and do the same thing you've always done. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we stay in touch with our patients and I call
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  Speaker 2: it a living care plan. Here's what's going on with you,
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's happening. Here's some steps that we want to
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  Speaker 2: start to take to turn this around. And we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be calling you making sure that we're keeping touch
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  Speaker 2: with you to make sure your whole health is moving
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  Speaker 2: in that direction.
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  Speaker 3: We have to make it livable.
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  Speaker 2: People have to live their lives, but we have to
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  Speaker 2: make care plans for them that they can start to implement.
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  Speaker 4: However, if they're incognitive decline, they're being brought in by
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  Speaker 4: a caregiver.
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  Speaker 2: They are and I'll tell you what happens with the
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  Speaker 2: cognitive declines and people. The two things happened when you
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  Speaker 2: open the clank. I was a little surprised by this,
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  Speaker 2: so First of all, a lot of people are afraid
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  Speaker 2: to find out what's wrong with their brain. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we put up a sign this as brain health. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: wanted to come like that. And the people who are
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  Speaker 2: the hardest to come were people who are in their
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  Speaker 2: six They just retired. They want to enjoy their life.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to know that there is a potential
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  Speaker 2: into it, so.
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  Speaker 4: It was really sad them.
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  Speaker 3: Plus they believe that there's nothing that can be done.
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  Speaker 2: So the people who did come to us were people
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  Speaker 2: who had some pretty severe cognitive issues because they were
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  Speaker 2: tired of not being managed. They were tired of being
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  Speaker 2: sent home and told to decline. Just do this and
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  Speaker 2: you know, you'll just continue to deteriorate. Well, when we
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  Speaker 2: were able to diagnose some of the patients understand what
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  Speaker 2: was going on with them, we were able to do
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  Speaker 2: two things. One, we treated like I'm a whole person,
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  Speaker 2: so we're really cleaning up a lot of other health issues.
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  Speaker 2: But we're able to train the caregiver what to expect,
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  Speaker 2: so if they have different kind of things to help
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  Speaker 2: them manage their care more effectively. They really really appreciated
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  Speaker 2: us taking care of that whole person number one, And
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  Speaker 2: to knowing how to expect things from that patient by
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  Speaker 2: understanding what was causing it.
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  Speaker 3: And when we.
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  Speaker 2: Catch people at a certain level, there's a Montreal Cognitive
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  Speaker 2: assessment test. If we catch them at a certain level
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  Speaker 2: and we have the opportunity to identify what's turning them around,
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  Speaker 2: we have eighty percent of our patients are actually improving,
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  Speaker 2: which is significant because typically is set to go home
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  Speaker 2: to decline one to three percent. Well, if you even stabilize,
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  Speaker 2: that's an incredible thing. So I'm working with a family
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  Speaker 2: who has You couldn't get much lower in the cognitive decline,
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  Speaker 2: but the family's so grateful for that total care, that
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  Speaker 2: total care about does she have a UTI? Does she
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  Speaker 2: have a does she have is she got her diabetes?
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  Speaker 2: They understood that she had diabetes, wasn't managed. She lost
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  Speaker 2: twenty pounds. She's actually healthier than she was. She's she
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  Speaker 2: was when she came to us. She had sixteen medications.
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  Speaker 2: She's down to seven now and feeling better. She's her
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  Speaker 2: cognition is probably not going to come back, but it's
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  Speaker 2: actually they're managing a healthier person.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how do you know the cognition won't come back
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  Speaker 1: if all the other health issues are being addressed and
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  Speaker 1: even cured.
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  Speaker 4: Some are.
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  Speaker 2: Some are just it's been too long before they've started
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  Speaker 2: the process going, but some are. We you know, we
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  Speaker 2: had some really good success stories. We had a ninety
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  Speaker 2: two year old woman who has lost her independent wasn't
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  Speaker 2: be able to drive. We were able to uncover what
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  Speaker 2: was causing that she's back out driving having a home.
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  Speaker 2: I ran into two patients in our clinic the other
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  Speaker 2: day and I couldn't tell which one was the difference.
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  Speaker 2: I was a daughter and mother, and the daughter said
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  Speaker 2: in September she couldn't say her name or know who
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're arguing over who's cooking dinner. So it's really wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: People just don't realize.
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  Speaker 2: Now I do say this to people, and as I'm
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  Speaker 2: not talking to them, is that the disease actually starts,
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  Speaker 2: as we all know, ten to fifteen years in advance.
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  Speaker 2: And what happens is we're fighting those things that are
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  Speaker 2: attacking our bodies and our brains, and around fifty we
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  Speaker 2: start as slowly, we're not as healthy as we used
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  Speaker 2: to be, We're not fighting like we did. That's when
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  Speaker 2: it starts to show off as we get older because
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  Speaker 2: those things we didn't change in our thirties forties, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and now it shows up. So I encourage people and
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  Speaker 2: I tell families, let's think about you, but let's think
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  Speaker 2: about your children, you know, let's think that we can
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  Speaker 2: avoid this sort of thing. So a lot of times
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  Speaker 2: we get families and the kids and the parents and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: the you know, the brothers and sisters to come get
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the whole testing, to say, what could cause me to
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: have this decline and how do we turn it around?
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Well, particularly if they see one of their family members,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: they know genetically they maybe you know, maybe they have
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the APO for alile, the genetics that would predispose them
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to Alexander's at least, you know, as doctor Gretison.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Said, doesn't mean that you have a death sentence. It
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: means you just have to work harder too.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But if you know, if a family member already has
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a cognitive to client, then it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Could very well be that it's running in the family
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: right absolutely.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And the woman that I ran into the claim that
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: was arguing with her daughter, she APO eight three, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: so she she was understood that she was probably got
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a thirty and forty chance I was having that gene
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: turned on. But she's actually she was so dynamic. It
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: was amazing to see her come to life. And that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: what we do as we see people come to life.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So it's exciting.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: So so tell me about the tell us, about the
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: prototype of the of the Gray matters. If you if
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you were going to one of your facility you have
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you have three facilities now, correct, yes, okay, Sarasota.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Where are the other two Jacksonville and ponte Vedra.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, So, but plans are for what kind of expansion?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Well right now? Because with the Guide program. When Medicare
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: set up the Guide program, they invited people across the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: country to apply for this program. Four hundred people applied,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: ninety seven were approved across the country to be one
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of those that was Guide certified to start right away,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and we were one of the ninety seven.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Oh so there's no.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: More people that are going to be invited into this program. So,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I mean it could change this innate year program. This
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: is what they're saying now. So what has happened is
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: we're having people reach out to us to be partners
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: with them to help manage their patients, maybe another practice,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: maybe another territory, so we can come in. It allows
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: us to have time to work with the families and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the patients, but it allows the provider to hang on
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to their patients if they wanted to continue to do.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: The primary care.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So we're being asked around the country to be partner
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and other practices.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: So does that mean you'll have bricktion mortar, We will.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Join in somebody's bricks and mortars, or we might continue
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to develop our own. I would say the other thing
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that's really nice about our situations. As you know, we're
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in Sarasota and it's a destination location for a lot
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: of people, and so so we have a lot of
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: people who are here seven months of the year and
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: they go back to Pennsylvania and Michigan, Ohio wherever they are.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: We still do a lot of telehealth. We can still
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: manage them collectively. We also have people because of doctor Brettison,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: who knows them very well and knows that we have
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: this clinic, calls from all over the world. We can
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: do the telehealth from our office. So basically our process
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: is to first do a lot of blood us because
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: we know that doing the whatever is in your.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Blood is in your system.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: So we do the blood tests and we get a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: lot of information and then we do the cognitive tests.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: We have cognitive assessment tests, we have the Mocha test,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: we have a version of the CNS sets, which is
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: we've made it equivalent to be on the internet, so
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: we can do that process. So we take that information
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: and it's a lot of information. So we really try
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to have two or three visits with the patient to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: go over what's happening with them. Sometimes it's blatantly clear
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: that we see that there's a problem. As an example
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: in in Florida, but also in other parts of the country,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the mold is a problem. But when people think of mold,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think mold in your house or the black mold.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: But there's mold in your food. There's more, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in chemicals that you're taking in so there's there's probably
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: there's five logical molds that you can find, so we
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: try to look at those. Those are the things that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: we can immediately say in the care plan less Trinity
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: docs detox mold out of your system. Some of the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: other things that we can see are do they have
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: an infection, do they have have they had a constant
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: infection like herpes, something that stays out that's underlying the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: dental diseases. We've had people who've had silver in their mind.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: We've found We had a gentleman who was actually we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: all we did all of the care telehealth wise, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: we kept saying, there's a problem with your dental We
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: think that there's a and he was like, no, no,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I got the best well turned out Underneath the silver
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: filling was an abscess and infection growing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: So no one had told him.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: No one had told him, no it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Sometimes these things are hard to find, but if you
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: do the lab test, the right lab test, you can
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: see that there's something going on.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: We can figure that out.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: So that series is really our start to get going
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: down the process for people. Some people may need more testing,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: some may need less, but it really gives us a
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: foothold of how to manage this patient. What's going on.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: It could be sleep, it could be exercise, it could
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: be you know, there's there's first responders as an example,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: people who are firefighters who go into chemical buildings. There's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you know, people who work in the residential areas who
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: are taking on some of these plumbers. Maybe in residentials
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: they're breathing the chemicals that they're putting into the piping
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and whatever they're doing to mold things.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: So there's people who may have some risk factors who
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: should get tested about those things. Factories, you know, a
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: round up.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: All of those things are really people are using aluminum
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: processed food.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: You know, all of those things are really things.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: That are contributing to the person's cognitive decline.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It's quite daunting though, for a consumer, particularly someone who's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: in cognitive decline, so that you know, the family support
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: mechanism is really critical. But even those people sometimes are
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: very allopathic in their approach, and so you have to
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: convert not only to a functional approach, but you have
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to get compliance. It's one thing to teach them, it's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: quite another thing to get action.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: So how do you overcome those challenges?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Well, if I could tell you, if I could tell
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you the limited story.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's oftentimes the best way.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I had a friend who had a mother who is
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in decline, and I kept going, I'm really embarrassed that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you have your mother not seeing our clinic, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: just at least for the testing. No, no, no, We've
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: had our primary care forever. She loves her primary care.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's wonderful the only problem she has is blood pressure.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, but you know how people are, a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: lot of people will ask their neighbor before they asked
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: their provider what's going on. Of course, the mom had
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: blood pressure problem, and so they called me saying I
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: have a blood pressure problem. I was like, well, did
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you set her up as she had an infection? Did
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: she get hurt that'll cause blood pressure to go?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, why don't you bring her to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: our clinic? No, no, no, we're going to our primary
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: care doctor. So they took her back to the primary
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: care doctor and they increased her blood pressure medicine. So
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: we finally, finally, and I said, well, and the second
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: time they called me, they said, well, you know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: They're going to see her in three weeks. I go
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: three three weeks, let me get.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: You in tomorrow. So we got her in tomorrow and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: it turned out that she had a UTI that had
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: been undetected so much that it affected her kidneys. But
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the problem is when we when we got rid of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the UTI, her blood pressure dropped to ninety oh. She
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: did not need to be on any of the blood
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: pressure medicine. So so we because they called me again
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and said her blood pressures at ninety five. I go,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that's terrible. They go, no, you don't understand.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It's now moving up because we took her off of
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: all of those medications. She never needed to be on
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the blood pressure medicine. She needed to be diagnosed as
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a real person. And that's just that's just sort of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: a now they're believers. Now they're like, oh my god,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you saved her life. And plus you know, there's all
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: other complications going on that had not been covered. The
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: problem is the family gets so used to going and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: seeing the same person who knows them that and the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: person the person the patient was not capable of really talking.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: About what was going on.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And so it's just, you know, those kind of experiences
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: get people out talking and saying, wait, you should come,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you should go, you need to get an assessment. Even
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: when I was a healthcare CEO in Chicago and in Boston,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and I'd always say to people, you know what, I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: firmly believe in second opinions, even with primary care, because
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: if you've gone to a primary care doctor for the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: last thirty years, chances are they remember you as the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: day you came in the first thirty years. You know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it's just a fresh look. Is not a bad thing,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it's not harmful, it's a good thing. So I always
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: encourage people just go and Plus, if we do all
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that lab work for you, that you own that lab work.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: That's what's going on in your system. You should have
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: that information. You shouldn't be going on.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: So it's just important information.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, I talk to people and I encourage them,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and we don't hurt them. We call it a hopeful process,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not a hurtful process, and we're just trying to help
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: so and we're getting good results.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to be really not only a practitioner
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and a technically trained person to understand all the labs
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and all the mechanics of this, but you also.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Have to be a teacher.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's the most critical thing that primary
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: care doctors have to do is be a teacher. I
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: was just talking to a group of primary care doctor saying,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the most important thing you can do is educate your patient.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: You know, don't just treat them for the symptom or
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the costs. Educate. How did that happen? What caused that
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: people like to learn about their health So you really
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: have to be a teacher. And I would just say
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the other thing. The lads that we run the challenges
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: if you if you ask your primary care doctor to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: run them, they wouldn't know how to interpret them because
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: they don't do it all day long exactly, So they're
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: not going to be They're not going to be able
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to know what to do with it anyway. So that's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: why we're good partners with some of the primary care practices.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: We can come in and say, here's what's happening, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: we can educate them as well as.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Long as as long as they're not threatened by you.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these people are extremely setting
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: their ways.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Because they've done it. This is the way I've always
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: done it. This is what they taught me in medical school.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I never had to take a nutrition course.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You know, you really have to piece somewhat of a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: like as patient as job to be able to, you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: get compliant from both sides, the patient side and the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: primary care side.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: You do, we have to be non threatening to everybody.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I think the challenge again for healthcare is that even
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: though you may learn the greatest things in the residents
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: school and their training, when you go out, they usually
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: peer you up as the most senior person. You know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the most senior person's in charge. That's why they say,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: on average it takes about thirty years to make a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: change in healthcare. And it just does you know, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: even though there's common sense out there, it is threatening
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to a provider to not know all the answers right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And when we can be a non threatening partner and
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: helping them see the patient get better, we just try
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to be helpful.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Do you ever do any kind of seminars or webinars
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: or with the primary care professional so you get that side,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to get you know, involved in a way that educatedly involved.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We try a challenge and a lot of geographies are
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that the doctors are all aligned with a health system,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and the health systems usually believe they have all the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: answers to the whole stream of services, and so if
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you're not part of that system, is hard to get
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: people together to listen to this. The other thing is
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: providers in the traditional medical sense are a little leary
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of functional medicine. You know, part of the problem that
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I saw with functional medicine is how do you know
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you have a good functional medicine? Doctor because we really
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: don't have the quality assurance measures in functional medicine.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So functional medicine.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: To me in Chicago could be completely different than functional
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: medicine to me in Boston, you know, or even here
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: in Florida. So there's just there's just different pieces. Now
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I would say Gray matters fits into this because we are.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Are mds with.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Functional medicine and we also take insurance. So most everything
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that we do to do the screening and the and
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the uncovering of what's the causes are covered by insurance,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: which is great.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that's huge because so much resistance does come finance
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: from the financial side. Well, the intellectual side is the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: big one, because you have to change opinions and you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: have to get people to change their ways, which the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: older people get the harder.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: That becomes as a.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: As a challenge. But the financial side on the other
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: side of that, though, the argument is well would you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: rather spend three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in a care for a care facility or spend whatever
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: your fees are to get cured.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: That's really a no brain or no pun intend.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Visit here, thank you, So.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Debra, why is it in your opinion that Alzheimer's and dementia,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: these let's call it the disease of Alzheimer's has been
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: such an abysmal failure in the medical solving, solving the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: root causes or the v causes, and getting people to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: overcome this disease. As doctor Bretison says, you know, very boldly,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we should be the last generation that considers us as
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a as a threatening disease.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: It'll be like polio, is what he said.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: But that seems so I mean, he's he's brilliant, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it seems so unreachable when you look at what's out
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: there today. So what's your opinion about why there's been
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars spent on research and looking for cures
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and every one of them has failed.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the first problem is that they're looking
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: at solving the problem, not the symptom. So they want
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to they want to find a pill or prescription that's
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: going to say you're not going to have a plaque.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you, I think you meant the opposite. You meant
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: they're looking for a way to solve the symptom and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: not the problem. I correct, Yes, they want to, but
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I knew what you meant, Okay.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: They're solving.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: They're solving what is causing that, which is a plaque
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: covering the brain from the attack.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: They're not saying what's attacking the brain.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: So they and we've.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Been trained as Americans, I think, to think that we
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: need a simple pill to fix everything, and you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: we like immediate gratification. It's been probably in the last
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: ten and I hate to say it this way, but
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the one thing that happened with COVID is people started
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: paying attention to their health. Everybody had to pay attention.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Before trying to get people to pay attention was I
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have good insurance plans that'll take care of me. Well,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: they didn't think about their overall health. What are they eating,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: what are they sleeping, are they exercising? All those sorts
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: of things. So we're starting to get people to think
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: about their health a little more think about that. So
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I think we're moving in that direction, but we're still
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: trying to solve the symptom, not the risk.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And so, and why do you feel more women get
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and men?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Is it something to do with hormones or.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not a climb not so I can answer that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I do want to say one more thing that I
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: think is a problem in this health system. If the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: disease has started in your forties and fifties, right, why
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: aren't we testing for that in our.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Forties and fifties.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Because if you go for your physical with your provider,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: your primary care provider, they're going to do diabetes checks,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: they're going to check your cholesterol, they're going to check
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: your heart, they're going to check all of these things.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Does nobody says, let's check what's affecting your brain?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Exactly? Yeah, yeah, that's why.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You know, if you go for a colonoscopy, why are
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you not going for a cognoscopy? As doctor Renison says,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you know that it just seems like it should be
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a part of the routine, but it just has I mean,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I have never had a doctor ask me. And I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: go to all the you know, really great functional medicine
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: wants too, but they don't ask me to do anything
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: with my brain unless you're going to a brain expert,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like if you were seeing a pathaway or you want
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: one of his doctor Retisin's protocols are protoges. So that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: does present a big issue. We treat the symptoms, we
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: look for a pill. We want instant gratification. We don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: really do a thorough a job on the lab testing
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to really get to the root cause. That would be
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: some of the reasons.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Right that you're absolutely and I think that we haven't
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: recognized that. And the other thing is if we checkt
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: people in their forty and fifties. When I had my
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: other company, I would say to the employers, would say, well,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: we have twenty years old. They probably don't have bad numbers,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: but I'd always say that they probably have bad habits
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and the habits are going to it's going to get
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: them in trouble. So if we could check think more
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: about people's habits at forty five and fifty, what's going
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to get them into trouble, we'd be able to educate
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: people a little better and we can change that. You know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: people don't understand a lot of times, patients don't understand
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: that what they're doing is harmful to their health. And
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I used to say to the providers all the time,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the only person in the exam room who can improve
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: their health.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Is the patient.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: They have to be the CEO of your own health.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: If you're not doing it, no one else will do
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it for you, and so you have to take charge.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And that means first and foremost.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Education, absolutely education, but you also you also there's a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: fine line between educating the patient and having them direct
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: their care. A lot of times when we look at
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: let's say like pancierge doctors or any other doctors, the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: patients are still calling the shots when I want to
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: be seeing what I want taken care. If you have
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: your primary care doctor who's saying, I know your health,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I know your lifestyles, I know your risk factors. I'm
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: going to be your health coach managing your health. You
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: can make these choices that you want, but here's your consequences.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: We just need more health And I used to we
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: trained all of our providers and my other company to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: be health coaches. I didn't want the patient have to
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: tell our story twice and tell it to you, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell it to my coach. I said, well,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, why don't we tell train the providers
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: to be the health coaches telling you the story. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: can tell you at the same time, here's what's happening,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: here's what you need to do, Here's what the consequences are.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And people and I think you've raised a couple of times.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: People like to be educated, and they like to learn,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: and they like to know it's non judgmental, and it's
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: respectful and we're here to help.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Except you also mentioned the word habit, and I think
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: changing habits is one of them. It's probably the most important,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: but it's also the most challenging of your of what
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: faces you to get people to make change in their lives,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it just depends on the individual
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and how bad it is. I find that so many people,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I interact with so many people, and you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: whether it's friends or colleagues or just you know, business connections, whatever.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And when you get talking about these things, and what
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you hear so often is that people don't react until
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they have a crisis.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Exactly right.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: And that's why when we had with my company, we
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: tried to get people to come in, everybody to come
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in for established care. Physical don't wait for the crisis,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: his friends, when you've had the crisis, you can't go
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: back from there. You've already had that catastrophic event. So
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: it's really it changes your whole life.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: At that point.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: You don't need to have that catastrophic event. You need
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: to learn first, So we really want people to understand
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: learn about your health, learn early.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Learn.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: But the other thing I would say is what we
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: try to do with with great matters is that we
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: give them a care plan.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: We know they're going to go home and go back
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to their lifestyle.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: But when the provider calls them at home in two
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: days and says, how are you doing with that plan,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: that starts to Oh, my provider is calling me saying
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: this is really important that I just changed some of
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: these things. And we want to change things very slowly,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: things that are can you can you give up some
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: of these things? Can you do some of these things?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Can you change about some of these things. We're not
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: going to tell them to change their whole world, because
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they have to live in their world, but we're going
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to try to and we're going to be by their
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: side to say we're going to support you. Just give
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: it a try. You know, we want to see. I mean,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I'm actually a terrible patient myself, but you know, having
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: people call me and say, you know, did you do that,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh, I guess I really care that it's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: important I should think about those things.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: So we really try to stay in touch with our patients.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Can you actually have any psychologists or people who are
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: trained in changing behavior? Do you have anything like that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that is consulting with great matters?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: We do have in our different territories. We have different
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: people that we know and be good good support coaches.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You they don't work for you, but you can refer people,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and so it's like you're like a distribution, like an OEM.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You're creating the opportunities for people by refer Yeah, yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: And appropriate referrals, referrals.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: The nice thing is it's an educated patient that's going
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: for the right reasons, so they don't have to hunt
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and find what's going on. They need to learn what
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like like nutrition is too or yeah, yeah,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times people are getting educated.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that we find is we have
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: to tell them what not to eat.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they they you know, and it's hard
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to change people's diets, you know, and sometimes there's there's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: food deserts and it's hard to get to the food,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and you know, there's different things going on. But trying
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: little bits of a time getting in the right direction
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: is helpful.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest things that this is
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: just you know, my thought. But you can challenge me
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: on this, but it just seems like just changing the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: mindset for oh, by the way, dementia or Alzheimer's caused
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: by beta amyloid plaque or by how.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Tangles or whatever.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You know, the.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Latest and greatest reasoning is in the in the primary
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: care world, in the allopathic world. But to change people's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: minds about what the root causes is that one of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the biggest challenges that faces you.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's very frustrating to me.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you another story I have. I grew up
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: on a farm in Nebraska, and you know, farmers lives
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: are very very hard and money is very hard to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: come by. And so I had a friend call and
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: say they want him to take the drug. Well, the drug,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I said, the drug is not going to cure the person.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It's delays, it slows it down, but it extends the condition,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: it does not change it. And it was twenty five
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That's a lot of money to people who
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: have no money.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, and not covered by insurance.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: No, not that time.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, that's just like, that's just
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: like selling your farm, you know. I mean, it's just
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: like it's.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Just not good.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: You know, it's but people, people are fearful.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: When you have that these you want you want anybody
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: to help you, anybody to you. You don't want to
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: know the consequences. You don't know what's going to happen,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: because you're you're afraid, You're scared to death. You know
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this is you're going to lose, lose everything. So it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: really it's really hard to get some people to not
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: panic is the problem. And it's panic.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: That's why I had mentioned about the psychologists, because a psychiatrists,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: because you have this whole emotional component, which you know,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: attitude is is one of the biggest causes of people.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: A bad attitude or negative attitude is one of the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: big causes is for stagnation, for or in action, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: because they are so it's fear.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: It's fear based it is.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: And you know, and and another case that I worked with,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the we knew we could help the the spouse, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the partner had already given up not going.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: To do it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I understand the exhaustion and I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: understand the frustration, but you know.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: It's it's you know, it's it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Takes, it's a family disease, and it's it's it's really
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: affects everybody, you know.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Gibra, Honestly, you're what you're describing means that you must
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: take on.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: A lot of energy. How do you deal with that?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: How do you not get yourself to feel discouraged when
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you have situations like that which you just mentioned about
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the caregiver giving up?
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: How do you get yourself above all that?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I know this is the.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Same thing a doctor, any doctor has.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: To deal with, is how do you you know, how
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: do you get above it and not get emotionally attached?
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: But it seems like such a challenge, Well, how do
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: you deal with that?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Well? I think that the thing is that because we
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: have so many successes, it's good to see that. So
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I number one, feel good that I have had my
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: eyes open that we have a problem here and we're
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: not treating people correctly in our current systems, and to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: actually see people come alive again is very rewarding to me.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: It's very it's very It makes it breaks my heart
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: to see that I see that person all the time,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh my gosh, I think we
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: could have done something. But but if you can't, you can't.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: But those you can, and you see the difference. You're
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: very gratifying that. And and that's the other reason why
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of passionate about saying, and with doctor Bretison
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: as well, this is this is not correct that we
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: continue down this path the way we treat people in
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the normal health systems. We've got to get ahead of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: it early. We shouldn't be dealing with this. People shouldn't
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: be afraid of it. People should embrace it and say,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: this is the brain drives everything. Why aren't we paying
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: attention to it?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Why don't we.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Do something about it? And I just I don't understand that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: But I you know, I was a health I wouldn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: have in my former life as a healthcare CEO, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: ever thought about it. I just thought, we're treating whatever
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to do and how we do it. But
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: now that I'm you know, digging into these details, I'm like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I'm so embarrassed that we do these things.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: We could do so much better.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: That's why coming on podcasts, it's like it's like baby steps.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But honestly, the more you can get out there and
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: tell the story and reach more and more people, I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: know it's a very time consuming effort, and also more
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: pr from the media that helps to promote early detection
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and helps to promote testing, and then the patient at
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the the end of the day can go to their.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Primary care and say I want this.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I've read about it, this is something I want, and
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: now the doctor has to comply unless they're, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: being completely stubborn about it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: But it would just seem to me that more and more.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Patients asking like, why do you think so many patients
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: have turned to supplements because allopathic medicine has failed them so?
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: And why is the MAHA movement becoming so widespread and popular?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Is because people know there's something wrong right right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I have to tell you that one of the reasons
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I started by other company was I would get patients
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: come to me and we had we had eleven hundred
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: for buyers, and you know, six hundred thousand patients were treating.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: But they'd come and say, I've done all my age
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: specific screens, I still don't.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Feel well, and nobody tell me.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Nobody can tell me why I don't feel well right Well,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: nobody would answer her call, you know, I'd call a cardiologist.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I call it call these I called all your people.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Nobody's answering my call. That's when I say, we're doing
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: something terribly wrong here. And when we fix the things
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: that are fixing the brain, when we're working on those
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: root causes, we're actually fixing the whole body. You know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: a leaky gut, They have other things that are going on.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It actually is taking care of the whole system because
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: we're taking it from your from the things they are
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: traveling through your blood and affecting oxygen, from getting your
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: brain and taking care of your whole house system. So
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: it's really a COMPREHENSI approach.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and think about it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: They, you know, the microbiome has become the kind of
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: darling of the functional medicine world, and it really is
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: ninety percent in whatever, seventy eighty percent whatever. They you know,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: whoever you're listening to, tells you that your immune system
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: is in your gut, So why not start there? And
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that's why Dale was so so refreshing, And you're so
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: refreshing because you do focus on the whole body and saying, look,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: if we can fix your gut, this is just one example,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but if we can fix your gut, we can probably
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: fix your brain because of the gut brain access, which
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: nobody ever really thought about. And then serotonin is made
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in the gut, and why do people feel depressed? And
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you know they call it, you know, some brain disorder,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: but it's actually a gut disorder. And if you're not
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: producing dopamine and serotonin and the other neuro endorphins right.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, I'll tell you. I mean, there was eye
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: opening for me with my other company to find out.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I said that some of the patients that we treated
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: that were the worst were people who were in the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: system and overtreated and people who hadn't been to the
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: doctor for a long time. And the problem with people
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: who don't feel well a lot of times without knowing it,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and they're getting their care, they'll go see ten different
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: kinds of doctors and they're not getting one really good story,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: one assessment. You know, they're looking for a solution. Well,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: people shouldn't have to look for a solution. We should
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: be helping them find a solution.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, find the causes. So let's take a deep guide
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: into two things.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: One those root causes and what some of the treatments
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: are that you're doing. And two the lab testing that
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: helps you establish the baseline to find.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Those root causes.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: So if you could tell us, you know, more comprehensively
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: what those can consist of, that would be that would
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: be excellent.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: So the labs are pretty thorough labs. I mean there's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of vials of lab that comes out, but
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I can go through all of them. But I'll tell
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: you what we're looking for looking for toxicity? Is there
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: toxicity in the system, Is there inflammation in the system?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Are we looking for mold? Are we looking for you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: those are probably the common ones that are happening through
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: foods and exposures, and then it really becomes through other habits.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Like the cognitive issue comes into the fact about are
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you actually stimulating your brain physically. A lot of people
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: aren't exercising as much as they should or exercising to
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: promote continue to promote the blood flow and oxygen to
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: your brain. Are you sleeping now, it's probably a bigger
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: problem than we know that people don't sleep well, and
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: so trying to get the testing that people understand they
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: may have sleep happening of some kind or they have
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: some other kind of sleep issue, and then.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Really getting them to start to.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Think, like as doctor Neils, who's our chief meth losses,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: ballroom dancing, thinking and moving at the same time is
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: a really good and be able to connect all the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: pieces together. So those those are sort of the things
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that we look for. And then when we get that information,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: we start to drill down, well, why we had one
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: woman who had a lot of toxicity and inflammation, Well
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: we found that she was walking her dog among all
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the traffic every morning and breathing in all of these
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: fumes from the cars or living from that capacity or
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: you know. So we then try to drill down and say, well,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: why is this happening? You know, is are these things?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: What are you exposed to now? So we can kind
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: of drill that. Then we'll try to detox that and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: say let's first of all get you on the environment
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: or in the environment, or help with your sleep, or
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: help with your food. And then we continue to retest
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that process.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So for the food test, you do food allergy tests.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: We can if we find out that they a lot
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: of people do know their allergies already by the time
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: they come to us, but there may be some things
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that they don't know about, so we can if they
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: if we don't if we don't get if we don't
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: get to the solution and the first series of lab
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: tests and everything, we continue to drill down and say
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: there's there's more tests that need to be done, but
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: we try to do the first screening and then we
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: try to drill into something that may be lingering there
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that we haven't been able to identify.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: So, are your scans the same scans that Apollo Health
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: uses with the.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Peachile two seventeen and the.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: NBA or whatever the guy I think it's called, those
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: three combouts? Is that the same tests.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: That you use?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: We actually have the different We have those, but we
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: have more and some more enhanced ones as well.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, so if someone wants to I'm just.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Thinking about, you know, our viewers, if someone wants to
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: go through this program, what would the steps be?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: They would just they We have a website, Grave Matters
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Health dot org. Frankly, if you go to the Grave
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Matters health dot org, there's a little test right on
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: the on the screen that you can say, I want
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: to take a little cognitive test there and it'll it'll
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: do a mini Montreal Cognitive Assessment test. But if you
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to have a free session, really had what we
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: would do wherever you live, they can call in, we
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: can get an appointment and it'll we'll walk you through.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: You know you live here.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Here's what we'd want to do, Here's how the screening
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: would work, and be able to set people up they
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: want to get started.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: And what's the first step be at the test? The
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: big the bigger.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Scan, the bigger it would be, the bigger process, the
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: bigger lab test.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: If we do that screening, yes.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, And so how much does it cost for someone
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to take that first step with great matters.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: If the insurances, if the labs are covered, the total
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: screening cost if we were doing it and they had
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: no insurance coverage to be about twenty five hundred dollars okay.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: And what if they do have insurance.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: They do have insurance, it's probably going to cost about
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: three hundred.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Dollars two hundred and fifty dollars. Well, that's a huge difference.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: It is, it is, But I would also say this,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: like you said earlier, twenty five hundred dollars or three
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, and frankly the twenty
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. It's your information that you need to
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: know about.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: It's a good application.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: So does medicare cover that first screen?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, they do, so if someone calls you and.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Has medicare, because probably unfortunately the forty and fifty year
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: olds are not usually taking these steps yet.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: This is going to be the process.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: That's you're challenge that you know includes the younger generation.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: But let's just say they already have Medicare, so they
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: call up first, they take the little test on the website.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: They don't they think, but they can't.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: It's helpful to them, yeah, just to get an idea.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And by the way, they don't have to have issues
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: or symptoms to to In fact, that's what you're encouraging,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: because twenty years before you're going to show any signs
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: of dementia, you are actually you could actually start having.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: The symptoms, but you just don't feel it. Correct.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: That's why doctor Medison said at forty years old, people
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: should start contacting you.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: So okay, let's just say.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: It's a healthy person but they're sixty years old or
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: sixty five. Because they have Medicare, so now they get covered, right,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: so that you send them to a lab, you send
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: them remutation.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: So let me just make one commification.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: If they have insurances like we have Blue Crossman Shield
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: or Florida in their in their forties and fifties, a
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: lot of times the labs will be covered.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: So that takes six hundred dollars off of that fee.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, good, I'm glad to say that.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: So I also want to add in a clarification. Advantage
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: plans are not covered because they've already got a primary care.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I think the government looks at them and says, we're
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: already supplementing them already, and so they're not covered at
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the moment where there's a push to try to get
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: them in because it's going to reduce all the costs
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: of the advantage plans for.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: People to true they sometimes they don't connect the dogs.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: They don't so somebody calls in.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: If they're going to go in the Guide program, then
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: all of that's covered one hundred percent. If they're Medicare
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and they aren't going into the Guide program, but they
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: want that screen, they would pay probably the three hundred
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and fifty dollars everything else would be covered.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But didn't you say that guides program is going to
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: is capped off at already, that it's closed.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: No, no, we know the eligible providers.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Are Oh oh, okay, okay.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So how does one if you're on Medicare, how does
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: one get enrolled in that program?
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: We enroll you.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: If you want to be part of it, we can
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: enroll you.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And that's no cost to the patient. Well, then why
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you do that? Is then you get everything for free?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, plus plus we coordinate.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: If it's a Medicare program and they are coordinated and
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: they want they want some respite care, the government will
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: give them twenty five hundred dollars for rest, but care
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: for like adult day care center or some private duty.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: We help to help coordinate if they need meals on
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: wheels or any kind of transportation issues. It's a full
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: coordinating package if they want it. A lot of people
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: are just happy to have the hair given and assessment
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: understanding their patient.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: But yes, it's one hundred percent cover.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: You know, Debra.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: What I want to encourage today on this podcast is
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: people who are not feeling any symptoms, people who are
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: feeling extremely healthy and fit, and you know those that's
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: really our demographic anyway, most of them, you know, people
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that watch this podcast are people who are feeling fine
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: but want to feel better or want to stay that way.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So it's a lifespan and health span. So I'm just
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: encouraging people. Don't feel that you have to have a
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: symptom in order to contact Deborah.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Right right, I think that people are a little bit
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: nervous they should contact us. They want to stay healthy longer,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Like you're saying, longevity is the key. We want to
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: be healthy, but we want to be functioning and we
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: want to be able to maintain our independence. So I'm
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: getting tested because there may be some things that make
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: you feel better. A lot of times patients don't know
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: how good they can feel when they feel better, So we.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Really try to work through all that process.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: And I think I would also say to parents in
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: their sixties, have your kids go, so encourage your whole
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: family to go. We've had a family come down that
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: brought all fifteen of their family members.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Well that's amazing. Yeah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: And the other good, great thing is this can all
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: be done by telehealth, so you don't have to live
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: in Sarasota or the other two cities in order to
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: get the treatments here. So the value of zoom calls
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: like what we're on right now, right? And just so,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: do you assign a particular practitioner to each patient and
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: that patient is like a concierge doctor.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: You do we have?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, our practitioner here in Florida has
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: dedicated totally on cognhum health.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: That's some primary care in Jacksonville.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: We do a lot of primary care with Cognet a
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: little bit opposite, but the results in getting started and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: getting identification early are amazingly. You can really have a
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: long independent life if you want to have that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And do you advocate supplements over pharmaceutical drugs and you're
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: dealing with patients or how do you.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Walk that line?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Well, if there are supplements and even normal providers are
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: going to give you vitamin D sometimes they overdo that, right,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: or vitamin B. If there is a lack somewhere for
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: somebody and it could be supported by supplements, we do that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: We don't make our money off of supplements, so we
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: really try to say here's an alternative for you if
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: you want that. We also already get to medications either,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: but we try to think the lifestyle is better if
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do medications. So we really try
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: to try to determine it by each individual.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I bet you have to wean people off of existing
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: drugs though.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: That's one of.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Your big challenges is how do you do that without
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: having repercussions.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I think once they find out that, like that
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: person who had sixteen is not down to seventh, they've
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: never been healthier, you know, I.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Mean they feel better.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: If you take a lot of medications, you're not feeling
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: all that great.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: It's right.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big advocate of supplements, but with discretion,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: right then't overdo it. But you know, I was listening
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to Gary Brecca. I don't know if you know him,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: but he's a big biohacker, and he was just saying,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you know, there are like five supplements that everybody should take.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Even if you don't think you need a supplement, you
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: should take this.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: And that would be vite them a D three with
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: K two because obviously they're like the twin. They're twins
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: and you don't want one without the other. So D
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: three K two and in the right form of course,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and then fish oils. But the ones would blow mercury,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: so that has to be a and there's so much discernment.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: That have to go on with these, right right.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: And then.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Well he said be complex, but methylated because he said,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the methylate. A lot of people have the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: mt h fr gene that they cannot methylate, and so
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: he advocates the methylation process. This is really important for
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of Alzheimer's patients too. And then within the
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: methylated multi vitamin there's usually a B complex, but always
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: to find it methylated. So those were the three big
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: ones that I remember. I can't remember what else she said,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: but but anyway, so yeah, so.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you just had a baseline that everybody
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: could just get on, even even if they don't need
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: necessarily need it, it's replenishing what they already have.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Or in increasing the value of what they already have,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: And those the ones that I'm on. So yeah, oh good,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: well me too, and a lot of others. Then because
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: he did say, oh yeah, then if you want to
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: get to the next level, you might go on NMM
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: or z vera troll or you know some of the
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: adaptogens like ashwagandha, you.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Know, things that's that gets to another level.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't ever in your position, want to confuse
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: anybody with them until they did the testing and there
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: might be a really big, big need for something. Well,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: they just signaled me that we're unfortunately at the end
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of our one hour time, which it goes so fast.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: I swear.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I always think when I see that little five minutes
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: who left come up, I think, how.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Did that go?
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Buy so fast? But thank you? You've been absolutely lovely.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Is there anything I know I do before we go?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I want to tell people that you've offered an incredibly
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: wonderful gift for our viewers.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: So why don't you tell us what that would be.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: So if if there was somebody who would like to
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: come in and we could orc at straining, multitest would
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: be happy to do.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: That, and so just tell how they would do it.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: They can say they had this podcast and they would
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: like to call that number and.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: We'll be able to do that for them.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that number is it's on the website. Oh okay, okay, sure,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the website.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: That's all right.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Well we'll put it on the show notes, okay, So
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: we'll be easy for people and it will be basically
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it's a basic preliminary scam. Yes, and you'll then interpret
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it and then guide people. And how long does that take.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: To do that? More than twenty or thirty minutes? Oh? Perfect?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Oh if anybody doesn't take you up on that, off
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: or I'll be shocked.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: But use the age.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Just use the code ageless when they call. Yes, okay,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: everybody listening and watching, make sure use the ageless code.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And we'll give you the website, I mean the telephone
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: number to call and you'll probably hear from some of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: our people. Is there any one message that you want
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: to leave with us today, Deborah? Before we part, I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: just want to say we are really here. We're a helpful,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: helpful process. This is something that people should learn and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: know about themselves.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: It's always.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: All it's going to do is add to your knowledge
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: about your house.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: Right, take responsibility for your own welfare. Yes, very good?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: All right, Well you have a beautiful weekend. And thank
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you so much for all your guidance and your insights
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: and and that incredibly valuable experience that you've had and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the understanding of people.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: That's what I picked up today.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: From you, that you have a sensitivity that you want
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: to help You really have the wonderful value that so
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: many people in the wellness world need to have, which is.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: You really want to help people to get better. You do.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your talking.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, so good to me is thank you, deb, thank you,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Bye bye Banger.