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Incident Audio: Three Different Departments · B Shifter

• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the B shifter podcast, john Vance.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Here live from well, live recorded from the Allen v Brunassini command training center in Phoenix, arizona.
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: Joining me, josh Bloom.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Josh is in Cincinnati right now and you know it's one of those weather things.
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: You were supposed to be here, but we're going to get together this way because we have some great stuff to share with everybody today Before we get going.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: This is going to be a busy 2024.
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: We have a lot of classes posted right now at B shiftercom.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: Just go to the events section and you can find either a workshop or a train the trainer class that's for you.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: Classes are filling up fast, so if you're thinking about taking either one of our workshops or you need to register people for a train the trainer class, do that sooner than later, because we're going to continue to fill these classes up very, very quickly.
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: The other thing that we want to mention is early bird pricing still in effect for the hazard zone conference.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: You can go to hazard zone BCcom to get all the details so far.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: This is going to be a week long event.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: We have a lot of speakers that are going to be in the main portion of the conference but, josh, we also have a couple pre conference items going on.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: What exactly are we doing pre conference this year at the hazard zone conference?
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the conference is actually the 31st through the fourth, so the 31st first and second we're offering cert labs and we're just kind of bringing that back.
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: We used to do that at FDIC and it went pretty well.
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: So it's just an option for somebody to come get certified if they're not.
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: And, with that said, the deal is you pay to come to the conference and the cert lab and you're getting a $385 value the online component.
• 2:50
  Speaker 3: So if you're just looking to figure out what blue card's all about, you pay to come to the conference, you get a free online account and you can get checked off.
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: So that information is at the website there that's posted.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: And then on the Tuesday and Wednesday, the first and second of October, before the conference, we're doing a Mayday workshop limited to 40 seats.
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: I know that that's starting to fill up.
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: People are signing up for that.
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: So really there's a couple options of pre conference stuff that you could do.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: And then we got a full, full roster of instructors for and presenters for the for the actual conference 26 different classes over the two days, thursday and Friday, with four general sessions that obviously everybody could see.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: So you got a pick and choose.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: You know what you would want to see or what you want to do, whatever, and we're going to be posting real soon that complete lineup so you can see some of the folks that are going to be there at the registration page.
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: We'll have everybody, the complete lineup of presenters, posted probably here in the next couple of weeks.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: And, with that said, the only other thing is when you go to the website there.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: We've been getting a bunch of calls about the hotel.
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: So we have the hotel room block at the Hilton and the Marriott.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: That's right there at the conference center, the second through the fifth.
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: We do not have a hotel block for the Mayday workshop or the assert lab.
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: However, the Delta Marriott hotel does have rooms before that.
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: It's just not in our room block, so you'd have to make two different reservations.
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: But they're giving you the same price which is unbelievable too, to any other conference you go to.
• 4:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's $129 is the conference price per room per night.
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: So good value, I think.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: Heck of a deal.
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm chuckling over here because you and I are going to a major conference In the United States this year and we could not believe the room prices.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, we made alternative plans because it was going to be like $15,000 for hotels for the blue card folks.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: So this, what we have in Cincinnati, in Sharonville, is such a great deal because the value of the education that you get is very good and then also the amenities are very inexpensive when it comes to the room, there's good meals around.
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: On Thursday night we're going to continue to have our social across the street at Third Eye Brewing.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: So just a lot of good value, a lot of great networking at the Hazard Zone conference this year.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: So today we have audio.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: We haven't done audio for a while.
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: We have three different clips that we're going to be bringing people today from three different blue card departments.
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: The first one is Hamilton County, Ohio.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: What do you know about this particular incident?
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: So before we jump into that incident, john, I want to just put people in a mindset as they listen to these, thinking about two things really system and process.
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: So we're going to listen to audio from three different fire departments that are from three totally different parts of the country that operate, you know, organizationally differently.
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: Because, harrison, the first one we're going to listen to is in Hamilton County, ohio suburban fire department, and when they get a fire you're going to get seven fire departments going there to build out, you know their response, command, function, one deployment.
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: And then we're going to listen to Las Vegas and you know they're going to.
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: They run with two or three other departments but, depending on where the fire is likely, only two themselves and one other depending on what border it's on.
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: So you know that's a little different.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: And then it's different than the first one I described.
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: And then Bernalillo County, new Mexico.
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: They're a giant, you know county system, I think it's the largest county actually in New Mexico.
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: So their deployment is, you know, a little bit different.
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: But when we listen to the audio you can't tell any difference between.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: You know their size, up, follow up, report, how they assign companies, what they do with people because they're all using the same system and they just go through a little bit of a different process of how they actually deploy, because of their deployment, because of what their front end deployment maybe actually looks like.
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: So as you listen to these, it's like wow, these are three different fire departments, all of them working fires, all of them with some different factors, but the fact is is that they set them up and manage the incident very well throughout the incident, evaluating how the whole thing went A to Z, not just the final outcome.
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, we can all high five at the end of every fire and say, well, we didn't hurt or kill anybody, and that's a high five.
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: But you know, in these cases it's like we're evaluating every single component, right, and that's how we all get better.
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: Which comes back to again, the system.
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: And in order to really have a system, you have to have, you know, some sort of an SOG and then you train on that SOG and then you reinforce good behavior and try to correct, you know, bad behavior.
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: So I just want to throw that out there before we start listening to them.
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: So the.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: Harrison incident, suburban fire department called the working fire.
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: They are out on the edge of the county so they don't have a ton of resources going to get right on top of them really quick.
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: Actually, on the audio you might even hear it a company keys up and ask do you want our engine or do you want in our area?
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: We call them tankers because we don't fly airplanes here.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: But they asked that question because it was a in the CAD.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: It wasn't real clear, I guess, on which unit was dispatched.
• 8:54
  Speaker 3: But with that said, when we talk about initial radio report follow reports assigning companies, defining and communicating really well, critical factors, command transfers.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: They all sound similar.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: So, with that said, I think we can listen to it, john 57 is on the scene on the Alpha side.
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: Get a small double wide pre-manufactured mobile home.
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: We do got light smoke showing from the front door.
• 9:20
  Speaker 4: We do not have a hydrant.
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: We stretch a line for primary search and fire control outconducting 360.
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: We'll be in the offensive strategy and we'll have command on fire.
• 9:33
  Speaker 4: That's clear.
• 9:33
  Speaker 4: 57 is on scene, light smoke showing from Alpha side, no hydrant, conducting 360 in offensive strategy 2152.
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: County to command.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: County got trapped for command on fire.
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: New Trenton water tanker is unavailable.
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: Do you guys want to?
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: go to the backfill County, stay on the backfill.
• 9:56
  Speaker 4: That's clear.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Command on Cal.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: 360 is complete.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: You have smoke showing at the front door.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: We're stretching the line.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: Now All I can ensure is out of the building and accounted for.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: Do you remain offensive?
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Do you have one patient on the scene with burns in the hands?
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: That's clear.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: If it's a thick, we're going to take the hydrant, bring the hydrant to the ground and call Okay, this is okay.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: 3066-level 1.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: 01, I'm on a seat.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: Clearly smoke's showing.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: We got one victim.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: We're maintaining the offense.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get out of command.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I want a copy.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: You're taking command.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have one victim with the burns on the front porch.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: You can move the medic in forward.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: Clear, medic 56 is copy.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Medic 56 is clear.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: We're moving to the front.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: I'm at the 257.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: 257, go ahead.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: Chief Blader is out Now.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: Expansion I don't need to report it, just ventilation.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: We've got a primary on player.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: We're on the structure.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know the initial radio report solid follow-up report, really good.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Comes back and says you know that they have.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: Well, you said they have a all clear of the building because they were communicating with somebody that was in the front yard that said, hey, everybody's out, described further to them.
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: You know, face to face, that it was, you know, not a big fire, they weren't seeing conditions.
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: That said that it was a big fire, communicated like all the critical factors, right, the whole patient.
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: You know hands are burnt on the alpha side.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: That painted a picture for everybody.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: So you know that medic, you know that's pulling up, you know nose, that they're going to have a patient.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: And then in this case really just two units were there.
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: So the chief pulls up and he's right there, like in their face, like they're 40 feet apart, right, and didn't go through like a big command transfer thing of what was going on, because the only thing that had really happened is the size up, follow-up report.
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: They were getting ready to make entry, you know.
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: So the chief on this incident, you know, kind of gave the information that he knew to command and then command acknowledged and said clear, you're going to have that, you are going to be, you know command.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: So it's just a good example of following the process and using the system and it wasn't a big fire, it wasn't a bunch of people trapped, it wasn't none of that.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: So it comes back to you exercise that system on all of the incidents all of the time, no matter what it is right.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: I mean you go through and you evaluate the critical factors and you give a standard size up and you do a follow-up report, evaluate and what's going on all the way around the building, and then once we know what those factors are, then we're going to deploy.
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: So that's this one.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: Great audio, all right.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: Next, we're going to Vegas and the Las Vegas fire and rescue department had this incident a couple of months ago, and this ends up being a fire with a victim.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: What can you tell us about this incident, josh?
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: So this incident it was actually, I think it was actually in Clark County, but Las Vegas engine got there first.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: They were, I think, out, you know, returning from another run whatever.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: Either way, those fire departments work together every day they use the same system and when those companies are on the same page, you know that makes a big difference.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: So in this case it's a multi-family building.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: It comes out as a work in fire.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: I think this badge even tells them that, maybe like a fire in the closet.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: So really, from this, from that point, you know we'll listen to the audio.
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: But you know some of the things you hear on there come back, going back to command function, one deployment.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: You know what did they send initially and then, once it's confirmed, you'll hear them in level building fire and then it comes back multi-family and I think they upgraded to like an H level building fire so they start sending more resources, you know, to the incident.
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: So we'll just listen to it and initial rate report and follow up report and they end up pulling somebody out of this, this unit, and we'll talk about that and what that process was and what one of the people who were involved, the first new company and one of the people who were involved in bringing that patient out and like what went through their mind 14.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Battalion three engine eight to 27.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Battalion one rescue 33 responding to a building fire level and 24, 70 owed for 20 district 26, 27 and 21.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Every part of the bedroom on fire started in the closet are responding units.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Zone three tax seven.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Engine four, engine four Just confirming that no command statement was given at this time.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Command engine four is on scene of a media two story apartment.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: We got a working fire second floor.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Engine four is going to be doing transitional water.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: It's the fire control primary search.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: We may offer the strategy on unit level one.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: So the old force command, all units they got on a stretch.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: That's not a copy of old force command working fire Engine four engine four teams right behind you.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Engine four engine four teams right behind you.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Engine four is going to find this whole attack.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have you guys pull your line off of your rig to the west side for fire control primary search.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: We're going to make entry on the east side, 33 stations 33.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Bring your crew on deck.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: It's around the engine four fire dispatch room.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Now with the follow up.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Old force command Good, 36 is complete, confirm fire on the second floor.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to remain off fences.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Engine four is making entry.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: When I'm going to call the alpha side, which is going to be the east side, fire dispatch, battalion one on scene.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Copy battalion one, command from battalion one Command line first looking battalion Battalion one go for command.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I copy.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: You pulled lines to the second story for working fire in that apartment You're designated east side to be alpha and you've assigned engine 33 on deck.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: If that's correct, give me a cannon par and I'll take it from here.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: That's the range sheet and the nothings and burdens are coming on deck.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: We did it to the second floor.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We have smoke to the ground To the Indian.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I need a fire.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: It's not the station on either side of this For fire.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, battalion one copies made it to the second story.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Medium heat spoke to the ground.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: You need crews to check for extensive on each side Fire dispatch.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Battalion one, battalion one.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Battalion one would be assuming Valley Forge, old Forge command Command have been located inside of battalion one.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Street side Remain an offensive strategy.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: All units to stage level one Engine 14 from command Engine 14.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: 14.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I need you to pull on additional line to the second story.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Check for the extension on the Delta one exposure On the ground Plane area, unit 103 with a plane Plane, a lead position to the Delta exposure and check for extension there.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Copy Delta exposure and repositioning.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: We have primary L clear on 103.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Copy truck eight.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and spot to your best advantage.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Let me know where you're going to end up spotting.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: It Looks like we're going to need you to come around from the east and let's go ahead and bring a fan to the second story.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Please Truck eight copies.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Do we have access from the east or are we going to need to pull in from eastern?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the pre plan is not coming up for me, so we're going to have to do some mental on that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: If you could give me an idea.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Truck, is this the one way of my way out?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Okay for me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: MS-33, I can take a look at how you side of your art Engine 8 by.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I need you to pull an additional line to the second story, bravo 1, exposure check for extension.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Give me a part research Engine 8 copy stretch of the line.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Additional line to the Bravo 1 exposure.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Get a primary Delta exposure go.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Delta exposure go.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I have engine starting time with me.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: We're going to utilize their manpower Territory on six interior Light smoke, no heat.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: It's just on the front of a wall.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: That's to the opposite side.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Copy firewall on the opposite side.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: You have engine 33 with you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Light smoke, no heat.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Checking for extension Command safety Safety from command good, he's reporting one of his two dogs is still inside.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It's a small bulldog type.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Copy small bulldog Safety.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: The occupant also says that there's a 40-year-old male that's still inside.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Copy four-year-old male still inside Engine 4 from command Engine 4.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Engine 4 safety is reporting that there's still a 40-year-old male that's inside the occupancy.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Can we confirm that?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And also there's apparently a dog inside as well.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Get the dog first floor Forming animal control where the owner is Turn to the front door.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Also, can you get a location where that 40-year-old male stays?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: We have a primary all clear Copy confirming the apartment number of the year.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And I copy your primary, all clear.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I'm on all three.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Copy one, all three.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Command belt exposure Belt exposure from command good, primary, all clear.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: We evacuated one occupant.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Belt exposure for extension and space Exposure.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I copy you've evacuated one occupant Confirming it's at the 40-year-old that we have missing.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Reveal on floor Talking from an angel, male, female for dogs.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Copy apartment 104.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Command from engine 4, priority traffic Engine 4, go with your priority traffic.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: One victim found.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: We're going to be bringing out the east side.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: We'll meet the MSNAS On the opposite side.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: We're just east side.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Engine 4, copy.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: You've located one victim.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: You'll be coming out to east side.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Rest you 233 from command 233, bye, 233 and need to bring up your gurney.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I'll surname our unit but you're going to be assigned a vet.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: We have a fire victim.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: So really good initial radio report, good follow-up report.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: And you hear some communications about describing further alpha and Charlie side and maybe even like what the Bravo side is and just thinking about it we talk about all the time in our program one of the critical factors when you're in one of these complexes that looks like a train wreck, like how do you really describe that?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: And what is alpha and the address side is actually the courtyard side, but I'm parked on the Charlie side and all of that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: So you know they were cleaning all of that up.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And then when they came back and said where engine four was parked was, you know the alpha side of the building.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You know everybody sees where engine four is at.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: So that cleans, you know that up.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: So good initial radio report, good follow-up report.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Put out some good information.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: They had visible fire so they were able to knock down you know the visible fire from outside before they make entry.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Gets one company assigned to pull an additional hand line and to make sure that they had a sustained water supply.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: And then you know we went through the standard command transfer piece of the battalion.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Gets there, confirms you know the assignments that they had heard.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Asked for a can report, got a can report of exactly what was going on.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And now you know you've got fire companies inside.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: They're making their way to the second floor and in their report they said you know they gave the conditions right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: So we got smoked to the floor my feet, and they already had known, knew at that point that they had knocked down.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: You know visible fire.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: So they're seeing and monitoring.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: You know conditions on the outside and attaching that to their bigger incident action plan piece of what's the company's inside saying and does that align?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: So in this case you know everything's aligned and making sense.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: They get water on the fire and they're making good progress.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: So in the needs report from engine four they said hey, we got to get somebody to the Bravo and the Delta exposure to check for extension.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Fire was on the second floor.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: The next place that it's going out of the second floor in a two-story building is, you know, into that attic space and then it's going to start traveling horizontally right, and we know what that looks like as far as a critical factor.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: When fire starts to travel into vents and so on and get into attic spaces, when it can't go up anymore, it starts traveling very quickly horizontally.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So that was good, that was a need from the inside, just communicating out.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, we better get those spaces checked.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: So the company that was in the Delta one exposure, when they were called and asked for a can report, they told command, hey, we've evacuated you know one patient which was, you know, it wasn't the rescue, it was just bringing somebody out.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: By then they'd had reports that somebody was still missing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: So in this case, you know, multi-unit complex is what unit were they really in?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: So that company reported we're in apartment 104.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: We've evacuated that patient and we're continuing to, you know, check for extension and command communicates okay, we still have a dog missing per safety, who was face-to-face with you know some bystander that was outside or somebody who lived there.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: And we are missing one other person that's believed to be inside that apartment.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So when command calls engine four and says hey, we're still missing somebody, engine four comes back and says we have a primary all clear of this building.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: So in this case, indeed, they had a primary all clear.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So we talk so much about primary all clear and what does that really mean?
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And we hear it every single day somewhere, or we see it every day somewhere about clothes before your dose, stay behind doors.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: We all know what that looks like behind doors.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Well, the primary, all clear, they hadn't opened doors.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: So when they had that report, hey, you're missing somebody.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Still, they found the dog right away.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: And you know the dogs brought outside and they communicate.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: We need the owner or dog warden or whatever.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And then the next transmission is priority traffic on the second floor from engine four.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So that priority traffic got the attention of the IC.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: But the IC knew what the transmission was going to be because you know the fire was getting better.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Conditions were dictating that everything was looking, you know, much better Fire was at least knocked down.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: So when the priority traffic piece came out, all they were looking for somebody.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: This is probably going to be a victim piece.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: So that also means something to those other crews that are there.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So engine four, priority traffic, go ahead.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Engine four, with your priority traffic, we got a victim.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: We're bringing them out, going to need EMS.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: So you know that just triggers everybody else on the outside.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: They shut up and listen to what's going on.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: This is a very important communication and you know.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Then, from that point forward, you know command got a rescue unit to move forward to do patient care and we stopped it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: But you know it's another example of the system.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: You know the system at work and people using it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: So two different fire departments working together at a single incident with one incident action plan, standardized communication, working through and solving the tasks everybody's accounted for.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I mean it's it all goes together.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: But that only happens.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: It doesn't happen by accident, right.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: It only happens because they use the system all the time, just like the first audio we listen to.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: They use the system all the time.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Whether it's a fire alarm drop a vehicle, fire, auto accident, a cornfield on fire in Ohio, it don't matter.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: They're going to use the same system to size up, communicate, evaluate the factors, develop an incident action plan, talk about risk management, deploy companies, review, evaluate, revise, continue to build the system as necessary.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So these are both great.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: They set it up on the front end really well and in both these cases they solved the problem you know, relatively quickly, so it didn't get expanded.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I thought the IC did a really nice job too, because I think at first he just wanted to clarify that the victim that was evacuated wasn't the same as the victim that was missing, and the engine company confirmed that by saying no, this was a female victim, and they gave the apartment number.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: So everyone knew there was still somebody else.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: They were looking for one that was evacuated, one that was actually a part of a physical rescue, and I liked the way they did that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Also, on the command transfer again, they know the communication process and there wasn't a lot of angst.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Command was calling engine four, who wasn't command at the time.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: He wasn't quite ready to give them the command transfer yet, so he just gave them a standby and because they worked together so much they practiced the system, there was no angst behind that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: The BC was able to stand by until that command transfer was ready, just gave it another 30 seconds.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Then engine four let the IC know, or the BC coming in, who was going to take over command.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready for the command transfer.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Now here's the info.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I just really great communication flow on this and it seemed very natural.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: John, we talk about it all the time that everybody on the response and in the system has to understand and know the capabilities and limitations of that mobile IC that is there, that is really working at all three levels right Size up, follow up, report, assign a few companies.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: They thought about the strategy, they did all that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: So it's so important that everybody in the response understands that position.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Right, it's not the greatest position to communicate, it's not the greatest position to hear, but we know that the company officer being with their company is the best place for them.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: That's why they're called the company officer and that's why that turned out the way that it did.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: That company officer very calmly said they just give me a second here, because whatever he was doing helping stretch hose, push a line up the steps they're flowing, whatever, it doesn't matter.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: But command wasn't snappy about it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: There was no, I'm here and I'm in charge.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: There was none of that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, everything's fine because we have a system.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And I'll let everyone else on the fire ground know hey, we're going to stand by until this command transfer happens, and then we can go level one and we'll get our assignments.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and something I just want to point out on this one right, they sent I don't know there's seven, eight, nine, 10 companies on this or more.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I just want to point back out they really only use like four or five of them to solve the problem, right, and that just goes back to the.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: We deploy companies to solve and address the critical factors that we identify.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Not 11 companies went there and they're all going to just stack up on the stairs going to the second floor, because that's where everybody wants to get to, so that's where it just comes back to that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: You know, three deep deployment everybody understanding the system, everybody listening to the radio and in the system, right, it's like if you're, if you're fifth due to that fire and I'm listening to that radio, there's no fun left.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So it's over, it's over.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: The work's over, right, so just let it be All right.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Where are we going to next?
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: What's our last stop for today?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So this one is relatively recent.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: It's from a Bernilio County, I think I'm saying that right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: This is in New Mexico large county fire department and this is a defensive fire.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: So putting all three of these together, you know the Harrison fire, that's a, that's a.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: You know one story single family that they solved pretty quickly, though there was a victim that had burns.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: They were outside the building.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: The Las Vegas fire, that you know, two story, multifamily with the ends up being reported people trapped, they pull a dog out, they end up evacuating some other people.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: You know bigger complex, and then this one is a single family residence.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: That that's defensive.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: So like how does it sound?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And then we can talk about all three of them and like how they all really line up after we listen to this one 6, 8,.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Engine rescue 3, engine rescue 3, 2, rescue 3, 4,.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Give me truck 3.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You guys are just going to hit 2402 Salvador Road Southwest.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: 2402, south Oroch, southwest.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: This is going to be for a NECO response, for a strict fire, Firebox 320, 145.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: All traffic for this incident is on South Tack 1.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Do you have to meet on South Tack?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Agent 32, fire control Agent 32.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Agent 32 is arriving on scene.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I have a small two-story residence with defense and fire conditions.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Agent 32 is going to be setting up for defense of fire and the defense of strategy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Continue the alarm.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Agent 32 will have command Agent 32, small two-story defensive fire.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Continue in the defensive fire destination.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Defensive strategy Continue alarm.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Agent 32 will have command Command, fire control Command.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: First six have been completed.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: No changes to our IAPs remain.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Here's the one story with a lock Defensive fire conditions.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I do have an exposure to the Charlie side.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: We are setting up a horizontal stand pipe to the Delta side, the Tack line to the Alpha and Bravo side.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Continue the alarm.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Accountability, the engine 32 on Alpha.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: You have the one story with the law the defense of fire.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: You're close to telling you setting up the Tack line.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: The tank line is on Alpha side engine 32 will be in Alpha side Command incoming units.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: We have a Hydrant Avington 32 will be packing our water supply, lieutenant 8, on scene, lieutenant 8, to command Command, go ahead.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, john, I understand that you're on scene of a single story residential structure Fully involved defensive operations.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: You guys are setting up large diamond hose lines with an exposure on the Charlie side.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Rescue 32, engine 32 on defensive operations.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Is this correct.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Give me a hand.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Director.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: We do have defensive fire conditions.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I have an exposure to the Charlie side.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I currently have the engine 32 on an engine three-quarter to the Alpha Bravo corner.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Rescue 32 is set up a horizontal downpice of the Charlie Delta corner.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: We're attempting to attack our own water supply system.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Finally, need this crew?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It's fine, it's correct, you have an engine three-quarter, we're setting up a horizontal to the Charlie Delta side.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: You guys are in manpower.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'll take it from out here.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It needs to be fire control.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'll be assuming Salvadoran command.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: We're going to be in the defensive strategy.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Continue resources.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Go three.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming Salvadoran command at 2039.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Engine 33, level one.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is Salvadoran Rescue 33, level one, speaking Engine three.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Rescue 33.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Grant the engine 33.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: You get parking unit out of the way, alpha-s, alpha-s water supply to engine 32.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: And set up support defensive operations.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: This is just a residential building but it's defensive fire.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: So this one really paid close attention to this, because we don't go to very many defensive fires, right, I mean it just they don't start out defensive anyway, right?
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: So on this one it was powerful to me that it shows that they really use the system, because that first do MoBoIC got the three D's, I'm on the scene of defensive fire conditions.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: We're going to be operating defensively, setting up for defensive operations, so the action, and then we're going to be in the defensive strategy and it's like the guy nailed it right, so paying a really good picture, and we want that coming out three times because like, okay, so everybody slowed down, because now we're setting up for defensive operations, it looks different.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Right, the deployment's going to look different.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: So good, initial radio report, a good followup report, assigned the companies that he had working right there with them, and then the battalion gets there relatively quickly and they do a command transfer to battalion communicates what they had heard.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: The MoBoIC at that point comes back and just gives them some more clarification of where companies are, which is really an accountability piece.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: So this company's in this location, that company's in that location, and what I need is additional resources to continue to work through and solve the problem that they'd identified.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: And Command verifies all of those things, acknowledges all of those things, goes back to dispatch, that they're now command and from that point the companies were coming in and Command was just assigning the companies based off the needs that the MoBoIC had addressed during the command transfer.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: So three totally different fires and three totally different fire departments, totally different critical factors, and it's all the system at work.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: And all three of these organizations clearly practice the system right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: This isn't one and done.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: They didn't go to some class for four hours, they didn't get online for four hours, they didn't listen to some lecture at some conference.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: This is from three organizations who train and certify their people in a system that they have SOPs and SOGs for and that they communicate how did the incident actually go?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: And again, reinforce good behavior and correct bad behavior.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: And it's from A to Z, from the initial radio report to the point where they leave, and that's what they're talking about and evaluating.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: It's not well, that building burnt down but nobody got hurt, so great job.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, no, let's talk about how did the thing get set up?
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Well, what did the radio traffic sound like.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: What can we do better?
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Which is the most important thing, right, like what can we really do better?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: We have the fire service has to stop looking at and measuring success off the final outcome.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, we should be looking at every little piece and every little thing that we do, not just well, how did it turn out?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Because how it turned out is oftentimes you just got away with it or you just made it work right.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, this is yeah, the old, no one got hurt, we got.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: The fire eventually went out.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you got to look at what really happens inside of those operations and I think these three are really good examples of, like you said, A to Z, making sure that they're competent in their command functions.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: The other thing is Blue Card in this command system is scalable.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: You have three different, very different department profiles here.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: You had one that was kind of the outlying area of a suburban area.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You had one huge county where they have large travel distances, and then Vegas, which is really more of an urban area where companies are on top of each other.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So that command function number one works different for all three of these departments.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yet they all made it work very well, Absolutely All right, Josh, you have anything else for us before we go today?
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: We're always looking for audio, so please share your audio with us, and we have never, and we will never put anybody on blast.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: We will share all the positives and reinforce good behavior, just like we do on all of this.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: So if you have audio, send it over to us.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Our emails are always in the show notes, so we're always looking for audio and we love putting agencies out there Real fire departments going to real fires and highlighting your organization.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, share your audio, and thanks to these three agencies for sharing their audio with us.
• 40:09
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• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Until next time.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening and watching Be Shifter.