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Healing Beyond Diagnosis: Dayna Wylder on MS, Nervous System Healing & Energy Medicine · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Willow Healing Matters the podcast.
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  We are so excited to have you joining us on this journey where
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  we explore different
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  SPEAKER_01: ways to empower your soul,
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  whether it's healing in your kitchen or all the way up in the
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  corporate world.
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  Come with us as we look into different ways to heal your mind,
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  body and soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey beautiful souls,
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  it is Catherine Crestani here and I wanted to have a chat with
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  you about a really
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  SPEAKER_01: amazing story
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  but also just
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  SPEAKER_01: letting it brew and having that whole intention as you create this cup
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  check out the link in the show notes and in the bio and enjoy
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  your cup of cacao.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey everyone,
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  it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
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  Matters and today
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm joined by the lovely Dana Wilder.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is an energy healing practitioner,
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  author and guide devoted to helping people reconnect with their
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  bodies and
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  SPEAKER_01: rediscover their innate capacity for healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: After years of living in a state of disconnection shaped by trauma,
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  SPEAKER_01: chronic stress and nervous system dysregulation,
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  SPEAKER_01: she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis,
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  SPEAKER_01: a moment that became not an ending but an awakening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unwilling to accept a life defined solely by symptoms or limitations,
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  SPEAKER_01: she began a deep exploration into the mind-body connection,
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  SPEAKER_01: subtle energy and ancient healing systems.
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  SPEAKER_01: Through this journey,
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  SPEAKER_01: she discovered the profound wisdom of the five koshas,
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  the layers of the human experience described in yogic
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  philosophy and began to
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  understand that true healing must occur not just in the
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  physical body but across
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  SPEAKER_01: the energetic,
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  SPEAKER_01: emotional,
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  SPEAKER_01: mental and spiritual dimensions of being.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her work now blends modern neuroscience,
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  SPEAKER_01: frequency and sound healing,
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  somatic awareness and biofield tuning with Eastern and Western
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  wisdom traditions.
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  SPEAKER_01: She draws inspiration from pioneers in the fields of longevity,
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  nervous system regulation and consciousness studies while
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  grounding her approach in
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  SPEAKER_01: lived experience,
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  SPEAKER_01: intuition and compassion.
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  Dana Wilder is the author of an upcoming book that shares both
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  her deeply personal
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  story and the practical integrated tools she used to change her
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  relationship with
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  SPEAKER_01: her body and her diagnosis.
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  Her message is not about fixing what is broken but about
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  restoring communication
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  SPEAKER_01: between the body,
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  SPEAKER_01: mind and soul.
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  SPEAKER_01: And through private sessions,
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  SPEAKER_01: group soundbars,
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  SPEAKER_01: healing circles and online teachings,
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  SPEAKER_01: she empowers others to shift from fear into curiosity,
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  SPEAKER_01: from resistance into listening and from survival into wholeness.
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  Her work is an invitation to soften,
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  to reconnect and to awaken the healer within.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a big welcome to the show, Dana.
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  Thank you so much Catherine for having me here and thank you
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  for making a space
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  SPEAKER_00: like this because we need more of this in the world right now.
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  I know with my MS diagnosis it was so much fear in the
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  beginning so to have places
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  like this where we can talk about alternative things and safer
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  things and just be
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  SPEAKER_00: curious it's so welcome so thank you for making this space.
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  Oh you're so welcome and this is why I made this space because
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  a lot of people
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  don't realize that sometimes when they get a diagnosis or
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  they're in a certain spot
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  SPEAKER_01: in their life that there are alternative
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  SPEAKER_01: options available.
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  And there are people with amazing stories and journeys to show
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  that you don't
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  SPEAKER_01: always have to go the mainstream route if you don't feel to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  And I think that's really important because the label and the
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  diagnosis is pretty scary.
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  And especially,
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  you know,
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  you go to Dr.
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  Google after and you get just the worst case scenarios.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we already kind of were programmed with this negativity bias,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is good for survival,
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  SPEAKER_00: but not really for happiness and definitely not a place for healing.
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  So it is way better to look at like the spontaneous healing and
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  the people who walk
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  SPEAKER_00: this path already ahead of you and all the things that were possible.
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  Because I know I'd rather soak myself in that experience and
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  that energy than the
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  one that's doom and gloom that the doctor gave me when I got
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  diagnosed 20 years
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  SPEAKER_00: ago.
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  Yeah and I can imagine getting 20 years ago getting that
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  diagnosis of multiple
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  sclerosis where there wasn't as much information around right
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  it wasn't as much as
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  our fingertips and you couldn't just use AI or chat GPT as well
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  you know to get
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  that more information you had to would have had to go on quite
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  a deep dive to
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  actually find that and allow yourself the I guess allow
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  yourself the courage to
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  SPEAKER_01: explore something different too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, my doctor, like in Canada, we have very long wait times.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think one of the that actually kind of worked to my advantage,
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  SPEAKER_00: though,
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  SPEAKER_00: because I already figured like I self-diagnosed the MS.
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  I had done like brain and behavior courses and I kind of
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  figured that was already what it was.
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  And then an optometrist was the one that looked into my eye
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  because I had lost
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  SPEAKER_00: vision in one eye and said,
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  SPEAKER_00: yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: have you thought of MS?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because my optic nerve was pale.
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  So by the time 18 months later and I went and my MRI came and I
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  went to meet the MS
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  SPEAKER_00: doctor and got the diagnosis,
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  SPEAKER_00: I already knew that I didn't believe that it was incurable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I knew that they said to me, no, you know, it's incurable.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's progressive.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to get worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll probably be in a wheelchair in 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: So keep benefits and have someone to look after you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's some really dangerous meds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good luck.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I right then knew like, no way, that's not my story because
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  I am like a guinea pig and a trailblazer and a risk taker and I
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  always was curious
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  and I was always open to other things and also you know a
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  little jaded already
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  about the medical system through watching my dad who was also
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  had an autoimmune
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  disease but unfortunately hit the beginning of the opioid
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  crisis before they knew
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  the consequence of what that would do if you took that
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  medication trusting your
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  SPEAKER_00: doctor.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I knew that that wasn't going to be the path.
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  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, my 10 year anniversary with my MS, I ran a triathlon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that that little bit of,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: kind of screw you to the doctor in the beginning really helped me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it pushed me to look for other things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I found them and they worked for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for the first, you know, 10, 15 years of the MS, I was doing OK still.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the last five years, like six years ago, I had a major relapse where
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  SPEAKER_00: All systems kind of down.
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  SPEAKER_00: One morning I wake up, I can't walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then two weeks later, I can't see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two weeks later, I can't use my arms.
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  Then my trunk went,
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  so now I can't even sit up and I need full care by people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I hadn't really respected the MS before that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but wow,
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  SPEAKER_00: that was like a real awakening as to what this disease could look like.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't managing my emotions around that time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of already knew what that relapse was happening.
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  I'm like,
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  yeah,
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  I,
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  even though I knew better,
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  I wasn't living what I knew.
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  And I let myself kind of get into the chaos of life and the
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  relapse naturally followed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I did know all the steps I was going to need to kind of heal.
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  But I had to go way deeper this time because this wasn't just
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  about maintaining
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  SPEAKER_00: health or kind of,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: some managed symptom management.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was like rebuilding my entire body.
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  So this time I had to go way deeper and I developed so many new
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  modalities.
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  SPEAKER_00: and Healing Methods.
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  And I had made a promise in that darkest moment when I was
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  crawling that if God
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  SPEAKER_00: would give me the answers to what it took to heal,
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  SPEAKER_00: that I would heal other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is me now making good on that promise.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is such a beautiful promise to make.
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  SPEAKER_01: But also sometimes,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I found that the universe will make us have those moments where,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: like you said,
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  SPEAKER_01: you knew better,
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  SPEAKER_01: but at the same time you push it to the side and you ignore it.
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  and it's then that all of it kind of flourishes and comes back
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  up but you can you
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  have a choice in that moment right you can choose to give up or
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  you can ask for
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  divine intervention and for assistance and miracles do happen
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  like you know all the
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  time but it's to have the courage to ask and look deeper and
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  like you said you knew
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  you had to go deeper this time you couldn't just put a band-aid
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  over and go yep
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  I've got this now I've dealt with it on the surface level it'll
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  be fine and
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  SPEAKER_01: I always say that sometimes when we go that deeper,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's the universe saying,
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  SPEAKER_01: no,
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  SPEAKER_01: you miss the bigger thing underneath.
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  You need to come back to that because that is why your soul has
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  decided to express
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  SPEAKER_01: itself this way.
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  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, what are you missing in your life?
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe that same thing that the energy,
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  the patterns in your life show you what lessons you need to
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  learn and you haven't
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  SPEAKER_00: learned yet.
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  And the universe will always give you another opportunity if
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  you didn't get it
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  SPEAKER_00: right the first time.
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  and if you don't get it right this time you're probably going
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  to get it again still
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  maybe hopefully I think I can course correct quicker now so
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  it's not still that my
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  triggers don't kind of hit sometimes but once you see it
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  happening once you're
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  aware of your energetic patterns and the story of your life
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  it's hopefully gets
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  SPEAKER_00: easier to get yourself back on track and
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  I actually use the MS now as a barometer so I don't even really
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  fight against it
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  anymore I mean if the symptoms come back I know immediately
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  that I've gone off path
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is now the universe saying to me, no, you're straying again.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why the symptoms are returning.
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  So instead of catastrophizing that and getting really stressed
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  out like I would
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  SPEAKER_00: have years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_00: oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: relapse is happening.
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  Oh,
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  maybe I should have took the meds or maybe I should have done
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  this or maybe this or that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I spiral.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now I just say to myself, okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that thing you said yes to, you should have said no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe somebody else's drama you took on wasn't yours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Give it back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, you know, take some more time, work a little less, right?
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  Like there are so many things now and it's just so much easier
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  for me instead of
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  SPEAKER_00: like spinning out to just immediately say,
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  SPEAKER_00: I need to change something.
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  And your body will respond when you actually start listening to
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  it and make space
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  SPEAKER_00: for it to communicate to you because that's what all those symptoms are.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not punishment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is communication.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like your mind thinks in language.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your body is in sensation, emotion and pain and discomfort sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's nice feelings too.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not all negative.
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  Your body's not just giving you bad stuff,
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  but usually that's the ones we're trying to avoid.
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  And we stuff them down and we take an Advil or we take
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  medication or we...
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  Yeah and even we use that food like we don't even listen to
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  those basic symptoms of
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  hunger a lot of us will just keep eating or snacking when we're
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  not hungry or these
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  are all just ways we're just suppressing all of those emotions
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  signals and
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  experiences and like you said then you repeat them again life
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  will bring it back to
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  you Yeah and I love that you brought up that you've now kind of
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  befriended your
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  SPEAKER_01: symptoms right it's not something to fear it's like a um
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  thermometer almost you know like wow like we're getting too hot
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  in this situation
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  you gotta back off and about a year ago it was just a bit over
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  a year ago I started
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  going numb so I started losing feeling in my my pinky and it
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  ended up being half my
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  face and every day I was waking up and I heard you're heading
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  for an autoimmune
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  you're heading for an autoimmune and I'm very intuitive and I
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  knew like my system
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  SPEAKER_01: was kind of fried and everyone I would go to my team
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  so I have chiropractors I have biofield tuners I have you know
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  I go to my support
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  team and that would shift for a few days and come back and it
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  was finally when I
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  met with these this beautiful healing couple and they went
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  Catherine you know this
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  until you address the underlying cause of the numbness
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  nothing's going to shift
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  SPEAKER_01: permanently it'll go but it'll come back and and I I
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  and I knew straight away I'm like oh my goodness I'm numbing
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  myself to go to work
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  because I didn't want to be in that role anymore so I was
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  actually numbing my
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  system to go and I was holding out for our house to sell which
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  funnily enough it's
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  been over a year and that still hasn't happened so I wouldn't
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  have lasted but I was
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  meditating with my coach at the time and my heart he's like
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  what is your heart
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  telling you to do and I said quit and it was like this
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  non-negotiable and I knew
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  SPEAKER_01: Dana at that moment if I didn't quit my job
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  that was it that was my final warning I was going to tip over
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  and then go into who
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  knows what journey after that and I know like how hard it is
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  once you get into that
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  autoimmune diagnosis how hard it is to pull back from that so
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  my guides were like
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  this is it you know make your choice so I did I quit my job and
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  the first day I was
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  SPEAKER_01: stay at home mum my main role every single symptom disappeared
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  and it's funny because whenever I feel that stress coming back
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  or I'm taking on too
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  much exactly like you said the numbness starts to to creep back
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  in and then I go
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  okay you know but first of all I check is this mine or is this
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  someone else's
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  because sometimes I'm working with clients I'm like no no
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  that's theirs okay great
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  thank you for the distinction but if it's me then I'm like okay
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  where am I not
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  listening you know where am I pushing too hard you know and and
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  then like you said
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  your body gives you the signal so you can get that feedback so
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  you can bring that
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  temperature back down so it's more tolerable but not even
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  tolerable it's just you
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  come back into alignment and you allow yourself to be who you
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  need to be rather
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  than pushing pushing pushing for whatever reason yeah I had a
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  similar experience
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  like that relapse happened and that was right around COVID time
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  and so I just
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  started working from home and I already did not like my job I
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  already didn't feel
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  SPEAKER_00: aligned with it I
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  was working in insurance which was not at all it's like I'm
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  arguing with people on
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  the phone to support a company's opinion which I don't hold
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  myself but you're
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  getting paid to do it so you're you know and I'm working for
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  the 1% in the world
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  and I'm watching you know like I'm dealing with people that
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  have art collections on
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  their yacht and I'm worrying about how can I insure this while
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  they travel the
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  globe and then I'm stepping outside to walk over people on
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  sewer grates outside so
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  SPEAKER_00: now I come home from that job because we're all locked down and
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm homeschooling my kids at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm working at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm homeschooling.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so stressful.
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  And the whole time I'm hating my company and hating the job and
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  they're pressuring me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that was when my body too just started saying like,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're going to make it so that you can't work anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if I had listened,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that first time where just my legs weren't working,
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  SPEAKER_00: I woke up and I couldn't walk.
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  Maybe it would have stopped there,
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  but I am so stubborn and I didn't listen.
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  I put my numb legs and with my hands under my desk and
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  continued to type and then
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  it was now it became my eyes and my hands and I'm like well now
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  I can't even I
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  couldn't even force this if I wanted life has said full stop
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  you are not doing this
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  SPEAKER_00: job anymore
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  And I think that you could see that as a punishment in life and
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  get really angry about it.
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  And then,
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  you know,
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  that depression could spirally you into more sickness.
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  SPEAKER_00: But to me, I knew right then that this is a catalyst for change.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's unfortunate that some of us need such a loud signal.
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  And maybe if I had to listen to my body whispered,
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  maybe things would have been easier.
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  SPEAKER_00: But my life, I do everything big.
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  So the happy times are big the hard ones are big too so this is
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  just one of those
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  moments where my body really did start screaming and said like
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  I demand that you
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  listen now It's so interesting because I had someone tell me a
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  couple months ago
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  stop using your body as a punching bag and I went thank you
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  because I was like my
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  body would I'd always let it get to the point that my body was
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  expressing what was
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  SPEAKER_01: happening and
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  Rather than stopping it before that point and listening to the
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  feeling before it
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  SPEAKER_01: got to the body,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and learning to shift that has been a big journey because it is big.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're so conditioned to push our emotions down,
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  SPEAKER_01: to not pay attention to them,
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  SPEAKER_01: to use your head over your heart,
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: which is so the opposite of how our body actually works.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like if I had have set a mental boundary,
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  SPEAKER_00: then my body wouldn't have had to do it for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean,
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: there is with MS,
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: a personality kind of trait of people share when they have MS,
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  SPEAKER_00: which tends to
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: to be like A-type personalities, doers, perfectionists.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe even,
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  I don't want to be insulting to other people that maybe have
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  autoimmune disease,
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: but I'm talking about myself here too.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little bit of like judgmental,
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: like a lot of expectations,
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of pressure on everything,
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Everything always has to be perfect.
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  And this feeling of if I'm not doing something or achieving
• 16:29
  something,
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  I'm not worthwhile.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that my mind never gave me the safety to say,
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's okay to say no or to put up a boundary or to say like,
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm too tired to do that or no,
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: I can't sign up.
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  I can't bake more cookies for the class tomorrow when I'm
• 16:44
  working right now or I'm
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: doing other things,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  And so I think because my mind didn't set the boundary,
• 16:50
  my body did it for me.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And because now nobody possibly is going to say,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  I'm disappointed with you because you couldn't do this thing
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  because you're like,
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: I have MS.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, because of my MS. Like, no, I can't do that thing now.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I can't host again.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, I can't help you move now.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: I can't do all of these things.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's not me.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's my MS. And that felt like a safer excuse maybe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  I'm not saying that people make this stuff up on purpose
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  because certainly I wasn't
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  SPEAKER_00: thinking this consciously.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: But when you look back and you unpack some of these patterns...
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: It starts to almost become obvious that,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: if I had have maybe made some better boundaries,
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: my body wouldn't have had to do it for me.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: people that have pain or even when you get a migraine,
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of times it can be this where,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: maybe you just really if you had just said,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm tired,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to cook tonight.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: You guys figure out dinner or order out.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm tired.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: I went and laid down.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you wouldn't have got the migraine that made you go lie down.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I don't know that for sure.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's physical traumas to the body too.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: There is toxins, there's nutrient deficiencies.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: For sure, there's things come from the body.
• 17:56
  But I honestly,
• 17:56
  I believe a lot of it stems from the emotions and your thought
• 18:00
  loops.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell people if they're curious...
• 18:03
  or they're like a pain comes out of nowhere like oh my shoulder
• 18:06
  really hurts all of
• 18:07
  a sudden but you haven't done anything to it like you weren't
• 18:10
  playing tennis or you
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  didn't fall or any even if you were playing tennis you can
• 18:15
  still be curious right
• 18:16
  and I say just go on to google this thing that we have these
• 18:19
  days and type
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: spiritual meaning of right shoulder pain or of you know uh
• 18:26
  dumbness in left leg see what comes up and I can guarantee you
• 18:30
  90% of the time it
• 18:32
  will be exactly what's happening on the emotional front in your
• 18:35
  life and this is
• 18:36
  where you know that there's that bridge where our body is an
• 18:39
  invitation to go
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  deeper and like all the work that you do regulate your nervous
• 18:43
  system come back to
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: the emotions and how can you shift things
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  SPEAKER_01: on all levels rather than just addressing the physical.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: The physical is the last expression,
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:52
  whereas there's a lot going on underneath before it gets to
• 18:56
  that physical point.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:58
  I always think that the physical body is kind of like a paradox
• 19:02
  to me because your
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: physical body is illusionary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really,
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: it is being created upstream by the spirit,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: by the mind,
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: by the emotions,
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: the energy field oscillating,
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: which is not the body is downstream.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the body also is so we're so stuck in that illusion of it.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: If we get the physical body wrong, the end result is dis-ease or death.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it feels like it's consequential and it's the most important part.
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  but really it's not where the problems originate from and it's
• 19:33
  not where we mostly
• 19:34
  solve them and this is why I love the kosha model because it
• 19:38
  did match how my own
• 19:39
  healing did progress but it does look at these concentric
• 19:42
  layers so the body being
• 19:43
  the gross physical part and when you go inside you have the
• 19:46
  energy body and that's
• 19:48
  like the animating force so whether that's like prana or chi so
• 19:51
  we can think of
• 19:52
  terms like acupuncture chakras the nadis this is a thing that
• 19:56
  animates the body and
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: gives it its vitality and its life
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 20:00
  the energy is what is going to be required to do the
• 20:03
  biochemistry of the body,
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: to do the machinery of the body.
• 20:08
  But even inside of that,
• 20:09
  you have this finer layer,
• 20:11
  more subtle layer of the mental body.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the mental body is now informing.
• 20:16
  It's the information that's telling the energy what to do,
• 20:20
  the biochemistry in the body.
• 20:22
  And we see this even like when we think of terms like not so
• 20:24
  esoteric now,
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: but just in like neuroscience that,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: we when we have a belief in the brain,
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: then that belief gives us a view of the paradigm of the world.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: So when external events happen to us,
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: we think about them a certain way,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: we give meaning to them.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: That creates an emotion.
• 20:40
  The emotion then creates through our limbic system
• 20:43
  neurotransmitters and hormones.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that bays our body either in stress hormones or healing hormones.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that affects your nervous system.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, we see how these things are all layered.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I go even further in the kosha model and,
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 20:58
  looking at yoga and a little bit more spiritual that even above
• 21:02
  just that mental
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: landscape,
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: which is creating the emotions,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Where is the wisdom,
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: where is the discernment,
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: the intuition,
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: the instinct,
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: that sort of like part of you that didn't need all the data,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: didn't need to read more books,
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: it didn't need more information,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: it needed to like come from inside of you,
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: like an understanding that you just knew,
• 21:22
  like truths that just kind of land without someone needing to
• 21:24
  explain it to you.
• 21:26
  and then even above that is like this bliss body and when you
• 21:29
  get the bliss body
• 21:30
  right and that's the overarching architect that's what we're
• 21:34
  talking about this
• 21:34
  purpose like you said in the beginning like the energy patterns
• 21:38
  that keep coming
• 21:39
  back again and again because you kind of agreed that this is
• 21:41
  what you were doing
• 21:42
  this time around well your bliss body or that purpose the soul
• 21:46
  knows what you
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: needed to do
• 21:48
  And when you're in alignment with that and when that is the top
• 21:52
  thing and it's
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: harmonized and it's got vibrating at a beautiful coherent frequency,
• 21:57
  the physical body doesn't matter as much because the physical
• 22:01
  body can make
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: mistakes.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you eat gluten or you had some alcohol or something happened,
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: you're probably not going to get sick from it because your bliss,
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: your purpose,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: your alignment was shining and beautiful and coherent.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: But if the top parts of you are falling apart too,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you're not aligned,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: you're not intuitive,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: you're not listening,
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: you're not connected,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: then all of a sudden the body only matters.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: And now you better get the body right.
• 22:27
  Now you need to do the diets and the exercise and all of the
• 22:30
  right things because
• 22:31
  you only are living in that physical body and so you have to
• 22:35
  maintain this tight
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: rigid structure to get it right.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: But that structure then makes you anxious and puts you on hypervigilance,
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: which makes your nervous system and all of your mindscape more toxic.
• 22:50
  And so it keeps you in this loop of always needing to be
• 22:55
  perfect and to be working
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: on something and striving.
• 22:58
  If we just learned how to get a little bit more to that top
• 23:01
  layer and just be happy
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: and stop pushing so hard,
• 23:05
  and just align to what is and just be okay with ourselves and
• 23:10
  with life and go in
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: the flow a little bit more.
• 23:13
  I think we have more wiggle room and grace and then the
• 23:16
  physical body stops being
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: so consequential.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: this has been a big lesson I've had to learn because my background's in
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: speech-language pathology,
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: but I built businesses as well.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I was so guilty of pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing.
• 23:31
  And even when I've still been unlearning that because it's this
• 23:35
  hustle culture that
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: we've been brought up in where we're like,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: no,
• 23:40
  you have to be working a nine-to-five and then we've got all
• 23:42
  our money stories.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like for me, I had to unpack, you have to work hard for your money.
• 23:47
  It's like no when you're in alignment it just flows in you know
• 23:50
  and even at the
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: start of this year
• 23:53
  I was journaling and I wrote down why don't I have any clients
• 23:58
  and what I wrote
• 23:59
  back was I don't want any because what I was like actually no I
• 24:03
  don't want any
• 24:04
  because I was focusing on finishing my book I was doing my
• 24:07
  podcast I had a lot
• 24:08
  going on my body was like we can't take clients on as well this
• 24:13
  is too much and
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: then about two weeks ago I was in this energetic sales workshop
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I sat there and I'm like, you know what?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm ready to have clients again.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I kid you not,
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Dana,
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: within the hour,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: all of a sudden,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: all these like phone calls were coming through on the place I work for.
• 24:30
  And then all these these clients were reaching out who wanted
• 24:33
  me to do sessions and things.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow.
• 24:36
  Thank you and last week was such a big week and then I got to
• 24:40
  Sunday and I was just
• 24:41
  I crashed out and my husband's like why are you so tired you
• 24:44
  slept really well I
• 24:45
  said I am just energetically done at the moment like I just
• 24:49
  need this day to do
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: nothing like
• 24:51
  I was like right I've still got interviews I've still got
• 25:04
  podcasts this week I need
• 25:05
  to back off a little bit and then sure enough we've had a
• 25:09
  cancellation can you be
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: on this panel and normally I would say yes I'm like no
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: no no exactly like you said sometimes you have to know where to put those
• 25:18
  boundaries before you push yourself too far because the old me
• 25:21
  would have gone oh
• 25:22
  yeah I'm more than happy to help of course I'll come on and
• 25:26
  then the new me was
• 25:26
  like nah I've got too much on like I just nah nah nah just not
• 25:31
  doing it I just want
• 25:32
  that time to be with my son or just want that time to be you
• 25:36
  know just to be and
• 25:37
  that's that distinction and you know that you've grown and you
• 25:40
  know that you've
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: shifted because
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're not suddenly living to everyone else's expectations.
• 25:46
  You're creating your own from within you,
• 25:48
  like you said,
• 25:48
  from that bliss point.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not about, you know, because happiness is a state of peace.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of us just think happiness is the euphoric part all the time,
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: but you can't be like that all the time because life is ups and downs.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: You never get the highs without the lows.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: you have to understand that there's a balance there,
• 26:07
  but it's can you come back quicker to your natural state that
• 26:11
  you're being pulled
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: to?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 26:13
  one of the beautiful parts about owning your own business is
• 26:15
  that I get to decide
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: now what I want to work on.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I did the same thing as you.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was working on the clients for a long time and building a practice.
• 26:24
  And then I started writing a book and started doing courses and
• 26:27
  podcasting.
• 26:28
  And I did switch the direction and people kept saying to me,
• 26:30
  yeah,
• 26:30
  but aren't you worried now?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because that was my cash flow, right?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Was the clients coming.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, but I got to the same conclusion you did too.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't think I want them.
• 26:39
  not right now anyway like because what is my energy excited
• 26:43
  about so whenever I'm
• 26:44
  thinking about a task right now am I getting excited about it
• 26:47
  or am I feeling
• 26:48
  drained and I started to feel drained about the clients and it
• 26:51
  wasn't because I
• 26:51
  don't like working with clients but it was because I see people
• 26:54
  in my house and I
• 26:56
  had a puppy and now I'm worrying about the dog and you got to
• 26:59
  keep your house clean
• 27:00
  and my kids now I can't I can't be back and forth driving to
• 27:03
  school because I have
• 27:04
  clients coming and so all of a sudden I was like you know that
• 27:07
  is actually draining
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: me
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't have to do that if I don't want to, right?
• 27:13
  Like if I decide that that is actually something that is
• 27:16
  turning my dial down in
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: life,
• 27:19
  then I'm going to just turn that one off for a minute and go to
• 27:21
  somewhere else
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: because all of the things I'm trying to do,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: this mission of helping people can be served in so many ways.
• 27:27
  And this is one of those great things about manifesting is when
• 27:29
  we truly understand
• 27:31
  that sometimes we don't have to have such tight expectations on
• 27:34
  how things show up.
• 27:35
  We just have to put the intention out and then the world will
• 27:39
  provide for us in the
• 27:40
  way that works for us which means sometimes some doors do close
• 27:44
  so another one can
• 27:45
  open and for me right now with the way my life is set up and my
• 27:48
  own health I think
• 27:49
  it felt more beneficial to do like large groups instead of
• 27:53
  one-on-one and so all of
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: a sudden now it became more about podcasting and doing workshops and
• 27:59
  you know and so even though I was a little stressed out in the
• 28:01
  beginning there
• 28:01
  about the clients part I think I reached that same conclusion
• 28:04
  you did like well why
• 28:05
  am I not having more clients because I don't want to and that
• 28:09
  is the truth and I
• 28:10
  think when you can understand that and accept those parts of
• 28:13
  yourself and ask the
• 28:15
  question and then not be scared because you're okay to act on
• 28:18
  the answer you get
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: because I think a lot of people resist even being curious to ask because
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Once you have the answer,
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: you kind of feel obligated then that you have to,
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: go in the direction that the universe is kind of giving you.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or they're just scared for the answer.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's because they already know, right?
• 28:35
  So they already know what the answer is at some level because
• 28:38
  we do have that
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: intuition,
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: that inner wisdom all the time.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone has it.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's just if you're numbed yourself off and disconnected so much that,
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: are you open to coming back to that?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: And are you opening to follow it?
• 28:51
  The best expression I heard is that intuition should be acted
• 28:54
  upon,
• 28:54
  not put in a drawer.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yes!
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I would tell you right now,
• 29:00
  if you keep ignoring your intuition and it's something that you
• 29:03
  really need to be
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: doing,
• 29:04
  the universe will keep turning the message up until it's louder
• 29:07
  and louder and
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: louder until it hits you in the face.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it might literally hit you in the face,
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: or,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: you wake up and you can't get out of bed,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: or you wake up and you're numb or you wake up and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: all of a sudden you've broken your toe,
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever it looks like.
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  SPEAKER_01: So,
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  This is where it's really important to start to tune in and
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  have a little bit of
• 29:31
  courage and it's okay to change as well and to give yourself
• 29:35
  permission and grace
• 29:36
  to do that as well because sometimes we might want something
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  and we have that and
• 29:41
  then it doesn't feel an alignment anymore and that's okay to
• 29:44
  change and shift as
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I think that there's,
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  this is part of the being curious is that when I was trying to
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  heal myself,
• 29:53
  because all the things I do with clients now and the things
• 29:56
  that I incorporate in
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: my courses and my book.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: or things I did on myself.
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  And I did a lot of things and I spent a lot of money and I went
• 30:03
  down a lot of
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: rabbit holes that I didn't get the results from.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it never felt like a failure to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It never felt like a waste.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just like learning and learning about myself.
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  And maybe some of those things that I did might have been
• 30:16
  beneficial for somebody
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: else,
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: but just not for me.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: And to feel like giving up or to feel like that was,
• 30:23
  or I think even worse than the giving up part that some people
• 30:26
  feel like once
• 30:27
  they've gone down one thing and they've talked about it and
• 30:29
  they've done it,
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: that they're kind of obligated now to keep supporting it.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like,
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: but,
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 30:33
  sometimes things reach a natural conclusion or sometimes it was
• 30:37
  only in service of
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: a different path.
• 30:40
  and so that was not supposed to be the whole story that was
• 30:42
  just one part of the
• 30:43
  journey and another fork in the road opened up and it's okay to
• 30:48
  go a different
• 30:49
  direction now and to not feel like let down or stalled by the
• 30:54
  other roads that you
• 30:55
  took they're part of the beautiful journey of the story that
• 30:58
  you're writing and as
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  long as you have that overarching kind of I think the why and
• 31:04
  the passion and the
• 31:05
  purpose it doesn't really matter what the journey looks like to
• 31:07
  get there and enjoy
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: the journey too like
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because life is like even with my healing,
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: there's not a destination that I'm getting to where I'm like,
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: okay,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: that's it.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: I've done with the MS now and I'm perfectly good.
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  No,
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  I'll hit menopause and then my body will age and then maybe
• 31:22
  something else comes up.
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  Like your body and your life,
• 31:25
  your health,
• 31:26
  your spiritual path,
• 31:28
  it is an ongoing journey.
• 31:30
  And so just enjoy it as it's happening And I like the idea of
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  just being curious
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  Because it's way more fun Like life is way more fun When we're
• 31:37
  not stuck in a rut
• 31:39
  Or we're not obligated to something But if you could wake up
• 31:42
  every day And follow
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: your passion And where you're leading What a beautiful life
• 31:47
  I was doing a session for someone the other week and the
• 31:50
  expression came through
• 31:51
  choose your level of suffering like do you want to suffer doing
• 31:55
  something that
• 31:55
  you're passionate about you know like getting up and going oh
• 31:58
  you know I'm doing
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: these interviews but I'm excited because I'm sharing it
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  SPEAKER_01: That is like a different level of suffering verse,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing this because my boss told me I have to,
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you choose your level of suffering or your level of pain,
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: but when it's aligned with where you're heading,
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: you don't mind.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it's okay to have a little bit of stress.
• 32:17
  It's when you're in constant stress that it can tax the body
• 32:20
  too much or you're in
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: resistance to something bigger than what you're actually realizing too.
• 32:27
  That's why I feel like with the bliss,
• 32:28
  I don't want people to misunderstand it.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Living in bliss is not constant happiness.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not toxic positivity.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just always stuffing things and going, no, I'll just be happy.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm okay.
• 32:39
  Like it's not saying you can cry and you can be pissed off and
• 32:42
  you can have bad
• 32:42
  days and you can feel all of the emotions because none of them
• 32:46
  are good or bad.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: They're just emotions and they just move through you.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: The bliss to me is really what the thing you're speaking of right now.
• 32:53
  When you have a passion and when you have something that's like
• 32:56
  the North Star
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: that's holding you in life.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I know what mine is,
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  which is this mission to help educate people to heal and what's
• 33:04
  possible and to
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: open people's experience so that they don't stay stuck.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: And knowing that, it doesn't matter how it comes to me.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: It could be podcasts.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: It could be a book, workshops.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: It can be one-on-one.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: It can look any way.
• 33:17
  And even if this business for me shuts down and it just ends up
• 33:20
  being that I just
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: on an individual personal level to friends,
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: family or people I meet that I connect with,
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: that's okay too.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because I can show up in any way.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this idea of this bliss is just really to say what you're saying.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Even it's not every day isn't going to be easy.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Some days are going to be harder than others.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to start a business or to work for yourself.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I know every day when I'm going to get up and I'm going to do this.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know the reason why.
• 33:46
  and I want to do it and I can you know it's different like when
• 33:49
  I worked for my
• 33:51
  boss I worked way less hours than I work now I work so many
• 33:55
  free hours when you
• 33:55
  work for yourself because you're doing all of these things that
• 33:58
  it's not a
• 33:59
  one-to-one you're not getting paid for it it's all this extra
• 34:01
  stuff behind the
• 34:02
  scenes but I don't even mind doing it I love doing it even
• 34:05
  though you know you
• 34:06
  might see me momentarily trying to figure out the tech because
• 34:09
  tech isn't my thing
• 34:10
  I like you know the spiritual part of things I like teaching
• 34:12
  yoga I don't really
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: like figuring out back-end website stuff
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't matter because that I have this really strong North Star.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: I will push through those things happily.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're saying,
• 34:23
  it feels like suffering in some way because you're putting in
• 34:26
  this effort and this
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: grind.
• 34:27
  But the grind is in service of something that your heart is
• 34:30
  aligned and it wants.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's not because somebody made you do it.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I heard this even said somewhere,
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: and I've used this a lot,
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't know where I heard it,
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: that to switch even just between saying,
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I need to do this and I want to do it.
• 34:44
  even small tasks like cooking dinner next for me instead of
• 34:47
  saying I have to cook
• 34:48
  dinner and then the energy drains from you instantly when you
• 34:51
  think that way to
• 34:52
  saying like I want to I want to cook this healthy meal I want
• 34:55
  to sit down with my
• 34:56
  family I want to spend time doing this it instantly shifts the
• 35:00
  energy that you put
• 35:01
  into it and one energizes you and one drains you and I'd rather
• 35:05
  live a life where I
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: feel energized and all even the menial tasks Dr.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Dr. John Demartini talks about this.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: So if you use words like should,
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: have,
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: need,
• 35:15
  they're actually a lower vibration and they imply that someone
• 35:19
  else is expecting
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: that of you.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Once on the borderline, but if you say, I choose, I desire, or I love...
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: so I choose to cook dinner for my family because if I go out,
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can't trust the food that we're eating,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I rather feel better.
• 35:34
  You know,
• 35:34
  I choose to help my son clean out the rabbit poos even though I
• 35:38
  don't want to.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it has exactly like you said, it has a different resonance.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because I desire for it to smell nicer in my house.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: We have a rabbit too, so...
• 35:47
  Yeah,
• 35:48
  don't let that ammonia just infiltrate every part of your
• 35:51
  senses,
• 35:51
  right?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I understand.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: And at the same time,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: we're going to start finishing our time together,
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Dana,
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: but I want to hear a little bit more about the book that you're writing.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: So when do you hope to finish it or it's just in its journey stage?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's done.
• 36:04
  It's actually,
• 36:04
  I should update my bio because the book is,
• 36:07
  yeah,
• 36:07
  it's been out since Christmas.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I actually now released the companion workbook too to go deeper.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: So the book is Unlearn Disease, Relearn Wellbeing.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it is part memoir,
• 36:18
  so there's a bit of my own personal healing with MS in there
• 36:21
  and my energetic
• 36:22
  pattern because I really unpack all of the kind of secondary
• 36:26
  gains and the
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: emotional things that kind of led to my MS manifesting.
• 36:31
  But it really is also this kosha model of taking you through
• 36:35
  each phase like we
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: talked through physical body,
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: energy,
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: mental,
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: intuition,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: or wisdom body and the bliss body.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: And as I layer all those,
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: really getting into all the modalities that I do that can help people.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: So diving into meditation,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: to hypnosis,
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: sound healing,
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: and then the frequency devices and the bioresonance scannings that I do.
• 36:56
  And so it gives a lot of information about things that are
• 36:59
  available to help heal.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: the thing about this is it doesn't matter what disease or what,
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: whether it's even mental or it's physical in the body.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: Most things manifest for the same reason,
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: which is,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: just oscillations in your energy field and in your emotions.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the causes and the cures are almost always the same.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: So this book can apply to anybody regardless.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be MS.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's not MS specific.
• 37:23
  And it has a lot of exercises and practice that you go through
• 37:27
  throughout the book.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you're kind of embodying them as you go.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of like actual meditations and practices and NLP style coaching.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then I developed the workbook to go just even deeper.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: So now you have a lot of more practices in it.
• 37:42
  But then like journal prompts and ways to reflect on it so that
• 37:45
  you can kind of
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: work through it on a physical level.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: So you're embodying the book as well.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I asked the guests to come on the show,
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Dana,
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: if you could heal or change something in the world,
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: what would it be?
• 38:00
  This is going to seem off topic for healing,
• 38:03
  but this one is so obvious to me.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: It would solve so many world problems.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I would actually get rid of corporations.
• 38:10
  I'm an environmentalist too and I think a lot of the problems
• 38:13
  in the world and the
• 38:14
  stresses that we have as a society because I believe we have a
• 38:18
  lot of stress
• 38:19
  externally and I think that is through this disaligned people
• 38:22
  that we don't really
• 38:23
  like our jobs we're really ruining our environment we have this
• 38:27
  need for this kind
• 38:28
  of progress towards something that disconnects us from the
• 38:30
  natural rhythms and the
• 38:32
  way that we interact with each other and if we didn't have
• 38:35
  corporations and we
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: dealt person to person again
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Not only will we not,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: be raping the environment,
• 38:41
  but we would be kinder to each other in how we deal with each
• 38:44
  other because we
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: would have a personal responsibility in a relationship.
• 38:47
  So if we had this kind of like trust level with each other and
• 38:51
  we couldn't shield behind
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: An entity that doesn't have a soul,
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: we would just be coming back more to like,
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: the basic tenets of like,
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: do unto others as you would have done unto you and that,
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: don't trespass on other people's property.
• 39:05
  And that energetically would shift so many things in the way
• 39:10
  that we deal with the
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: environment,
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: with our jobs,
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: with each other.
• 39:14
  And I know that that doesn't really have a lot to do with your
• 39:16
  health,
• 39:17
  but it actually does.
• 39:18
  I don't have time because it would be a whole nother show to
• 39:20
  unpack how in which that does.
• 39:22
  But I think that it just it speaks even at an energetic level
• 39:25
  to just having more
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: soul in everything we do and less,
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: corporate influence.
• 39:34
  Well I feel it's a beautiful reminder that we are all connected
• 39:37
  right the law of
• 39:38
  one and also that we are nature we come from nature we are one
• 39:41
  with nature and
• 39:42
  because we've become so disconnected from that that a lot of
• 39:46
  the time we don't
• 39:47
  realize that our healing can be connected by realizing that we
• 39:50
  are something part
• 39:51
  of something bigger and it's interesting because I just watched
• 39:54
  the Hoppers movie
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: with on the weekend for our family movie day but the opening
• 40:00
  scene was like this beautiful kind of glade and the grandmother
• 40:03
  said to the
• 40:04
  granddaughter when they were looking over nature when we feel
• 40:07
  we are connected to
• 40:08
  something bigger it's hard to be mad and I'm like oh this is
• 40:12
  like this is why I
• 40:13
  came to watch this movie obviously the rest got a little bit
• 40:16
  crazy because it's
• 40:17
  Disney but at the same time um it was just such a pertinent
• 40:21
  statement because it is
• 40:23
  we are part of something bigger like you said and if we can go
• 40:25
  back to realizing
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: how
• 40:27
  which we can interact with each other and influence each other
• 40:30
  would have such a
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: profound effect on our world.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: It would.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, healing is a shared experience.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: And this is why when I was healing myself,
• 40:39
  I knew that it was going to be foundational for me to help
• 40:41
  other people heal
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: because we are not separate.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yoga is my background.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: So that's how this whole journey started for me.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it is the model for my healing.
• 40:50
  And yoga teaches us to yoke or unite mind and body and that
• 40:54
  everything comes in oneness.
• 40:56
  and I think that that's not even just yoga when we really look
• 40:58
  at every spiritual
• 40:59
  tradition and religious tradition around the world they're all
• 41:02
  at the core of that
• 41:03
  one principle of that there is just this one that we all come
• 41:07
  from source and that
• 41:08
  we're all part of it and I think we need to extend that to the
• 41:12
  environment too
• 41:14
  because the earth that we live on and the plants the animals
• 41:18
  and everything that
• 41:18
  we're with they share the energy with us too so we need to
• 41:22
  bring them into the fold
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: as well of the healing
• 41:26
  and if people want to come and find you Dana to work with you
• 41:29
  or find your book
• 41:30
  where's the best place they can connect yeah so the book is
• 41:33
  available Amazon and
• 41:35
  then my website is energyovermatter.com and from my website you
• 41:40
  could join my free
• 41:41
  healing circle and that is like a group healing where we do
• 41:44
  meditation sound
• 41:46
  healing and just kind of dharma talks on just energy things and
• 41:49
  our purpose much
• 41:50
  like the conversation we're just having here today and then
• 41:53
  that's where you can
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: book me one-on-one too
• 41:56
  Amazing I'll make sure to pop all those details in the show
• 41:59
  notes so for everyone
• 42:00
  listening thank you for tuning in if you enjoyed this episode
• 42:03
  feel free to like
• 42:04
  subscribe or share and if you are curious about what Dana does
• 42:08
  by all means use
• 42:09
  that as an invitation to go deeper and go check her out her
• 42:13
  work or get her book so
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: a big thank you for everyone for tuning in a big thank you Dana for this
• 42:17
  conversation and for sharing the healing knowledge that you've
• 42:20
  collected through
• 42:21
  your own healing journey thank you so much thank you she knew
• 42:25
  everything about him
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: That was the problem.
• 42:28
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• 42:34
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• 42:38
  When technology and surveillance begin to infiltrate every area
• 42:42
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• 42:44
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• 42:46
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• 42:51
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• 42:55
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• 43:00
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• 43:04
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• 43:07
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• 43:10
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• 43:11
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• 43:17
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• 43:19
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• 43:22
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