Latest / Money And Wealth With John Hope Bryant / Millionaire Moves After 50: It’s Not Too Late
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome the Money and Wealth with John O'Briant, a production
- 0:03Speaker 1: of the Black Effect podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Hey, Hey,
- 0:15Speaker 1: this is John O'Brien and this is Money and Wealth
- 0:17Speaker 1: on the Black Effect Network on iHeartRadio. Is it true
- 0:23Speaker 1: that some millionaires make it there by fifty? Is it
- 0:28Speaker 1: true that fifty is not too late? No, that's not true.
- 0:36Speaker 1: It's a lie. The reality is actually most millionaires become
- 0:43Speaker 1: that way in their fifties. It is very much true
- 0:48Speaker 1: that fifty is very young, and because of wellness, fifty
- 0:52Speaker 1: is really the new forty. And I'm going to get
- 0:54Speaker 1: into the facts of the matter in a moment. There's
- 0:56Speaker 1: a lot of people running around really sort of anxiety
- 1:01Speaker 1: written feeling like they're running out of time. They're like
- 1:04Speaker 1: twenty six, I can't tell you, maybe I talked to it.
- 1:08Speaker 1: They just feel like they're an absolute failure at twenty five,
- 1:12Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty eight, thirty two, Like, no, you take
- 1:16Speaker 1: care of yourself. You know you're going to live with this.
- 1:19Speaker 1: I mean because of artificial intelligence and what it's going
- 1:22Speaker 1: to do. I mean that plus wellness is going to
- 1:26Speaker 1: extend I believe your life. I think cancer is going
- 1:30Speaker 1: to be solved by artificial intelligence and human interact engagement
- 1:35Speaker 1: within ten years. I'm CoA chair of the AI Ethics
- 1:39Speaker 1: Council with Sam Autman and who I believe is the
- 1:41Speaker 1: Steve jobs As generation, and I believe a lot of
- 1:43Speaker 1: innovations are coming. But that's a different podcast episode. Let
- 1:49Speaker 1: me stay focused on this. I'm going to tell you
- 1:52Speaker 1: how to get rich. Sorry, rich is a contract building wealth.
- 1:57Speaker 1: You're doing your sleep. I'm gonna show you how to
- 1:58Speaker 1: build wealth, which is your path to becoming a millionaire
- 2:02Speaker 1: because it's hard to do it on a paycheck. You
- 2:05Speaker 1: don't find many folks who are sustainably millionaires doing it
- 2:10Speaker 1: just with cash, okay, because cash flow, it flows, It
- 2:14Speaker 1: flows in and it flows out with the same Actually,
- 2:18Speaker 1: I believe it flows out with the greater velocity that
- 2:20Speaker 1: it flows in. If that's all you got is cash,
- 2:22Speaker 1: then at some point you will be broke because if
- 2:25Speaker 1: your outfloat exceeds your inflow, then your overhead will be
- 2:28Speaker 1: your downfall. So let's first talk about I'm I'm gonna
- 2:33Speaker 1: break some myths. I'm gonna break some eggs, and I'm
- 2:35Speaker 1: gonna give you some building blocks. Pull out your pen,
- 2:38Speaker 1: pull out your piece of paper, pull out your iPad,
- 2:40Speaker 1: pull out your iPhone, pull out your notes, fill out
- 2:43Speaker 1: your digital your digital app that you use, pull out
- 2:47Speaker 1: your artificial intelligence tool that you use, whatever it is
- 2:54Speaker 1: or you're using to take notes. It's time to mark
- 2:59Speaker 1: it all down. So number one, can you become a
- 3:05Speaker 1: millionaire by sixty years of age ish investing a couple
- 3:14Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month? Absolutely yes, The answer is absolutely yes.
- 3:21Speaker 1: So if you in scenario A, you take three hundred
- 3:25Speaker 1: dollars your age twenty five in this example, So tell
- 3:28Speaker 1: all your tell all your your friends at twenty five
- 3:32Speaker 1: ish to listen to this podcast. Open a institutional investment account.
- 3:38Speaker 1: I'm not talking about all this flaky stuff. I'm not
- 3:40Speaker 1: talking about investing in get rich Quick scheme. They want
- 3:44Speaker 1: to cover all that stuff also in a minute. I'm
- 3:45Speaker 1: talking about stable like you know, you want to call
- 3:50Speaker 1: it boring investments, things that we that are staples, that
- 3:54Speaker 1: are best in class, flights to quality, things that you
- 3:58Speaker 1: use talk about. I'm talking about insitutional companies you know,
- 4:01Speaker 1: who invest in things that you use every day in
- 4:04Speaker 1: Companies that you respect are going to be around unless
- 4:08Speaker 1: the world ends, will be around. Arguably your entire lifetime.
- 4:14Speaker 1: So you're going to open an account, right, and operation
- 4:17Speaker 1: can help direct you about where to open an account.
- 4:19Speaker 1: You'll make the decision. You're going to put in three
- 4:22Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month. You're going to get an annual
- 4:25Speaker 1: return on an S and P five hundred, which is
- 4:28Speaker 1: the historical average of ten percent. Okay, you're going to
- 4:33Speaker 1: have a thirty five year time horizon because you're going
- 4:35Speaker 1: to live in this example to sixty sixty five years
- 4:39Speaker 1: of age. By the way, if you live in a
- 4:41Speaker 1: five undred creditorred neighborhood, talking about the power of credit scores,
- 4:44Speaker 1: you live in a five undred credit score neighborhood, you
- 4:46Speaker 1: live to sixty one years of age on average. It's
- 4:50Speaker 1: a twenty year delta, twenty year difference. Right, If you
- 4:54Speaker 1: live in a seven A credit core neighborhood, you live
- 4:56Speaker 1: twenty years longer. Go to the Hope Financial Wellness Index
- 5:00Speaker 1: right and type in your zip code and I will
- 5:04Speaker 1: tell you how you're living. And it's fifteen minutes apart,
- 5:07Speaker 1: twenty year delta on life expectancy difference. And it's not
- 5:13Speaker 1: just the credit scorer, it's the trending indicators underneath it. Hope,
- 5:17Speaker 1: well being, believe, faith, confidence, joy, optimism. I can't tell
- 5:21Speaker 1: tell you that being positive is going to make you succeed.
- 5:25Speaker 1: I guarantee that being negative is going to make you fail.
- 5:28Speaker 1: So mindset matters. So all poverty other than sustenance poverty
- 5:34Speaker 1: roof over your head, reasonable health care, basic well being,
- 5:42Speaker 1: fooling the table, all other forms of poverty are mindset.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can't,
- 5:48Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. So if you have the mindset of
- 5:54Speaker 1: long term and you believe in your future. You got
- 5:57Speaker 1: your credit score up. You're living below your means, right,
- 6:01Speaker 1: you're investing two hundred dollars a month, which you spent on,
- 6:05Speaker 1: by the way, going to a restaurant or Starbucks or whatever.
- 6:08Speaker 1: I don't I like Starbucks, am I'm picking on Starbucks,
- 6:10Speaker 1: by the way. But if you know whatever you spend
- 6:14Speaker 1: three hundred dollars a month on, you do that over
- 6:16Speaker 1: thirty five years, from age twenty five to eight sixty,
- 6:19Speaker 1: you'll be worth just from that alone one point one
- 6:21Speaker 1: million dollars. Scenario be two hundred dollars a month, two
- 6:26Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month starting at age twenty five, ten
- 6:28Speaker 1: percent interest. Thirty five years is the term. You be
- 6:31Speaker 1: worth about seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars right that
- 6:34Speaker 1: plus home ownership, you're still a millionaire, probably much more
- 6:38Speaker 1: than that with homeownership. So time plus consistency equals wealth.
- 6:44Speaker 1: It's not about how much you've It's not how about
- 6:46Speaker 1: how much you have or how fast you start. Is
- 6:52Speaker 1: how long you give it to grow. Okay, So I
- 7:00Speaker 1: want you to change your mindset so you can change
- 7:02Speaker 1: your life. In one year, you're going to earn a
- 7:08Speaker 1: little interest. By year twenty, you're earning interest on the interest.
- 7:14Speaker 1: I hope you got that money makes more money on
- 7:17Speaker 1: money than money can ever make on labor. That's the
- 7:21Speaker 1: last big shift after the industrial revolution and the technology evolution,
- 7:25Speaker 1: you really had. I believe a financial revolution where people
- 7:30Speaker 1: on Wall Street realize that they can make more money
- 7:34Speaker 1: on money than they can make on investing in labor
- 7:38Speaker 1: or machinery or whatever. And I think the only thing
- 7:41Speaker 1: that things out strip that it's going to be technology
- 7:45Speaker 1: tied to artificial intelligence. But that's another conversation for another day.
- 7:50Speaker 1: So you're going to join this group. This is where
- 7:52Speaker 1: the main street is going to follow Wall Street. So
- 7:55Speaker 1: over time. Your money is making money on money. That's
- 7:59Speaker 1: why real estate is so powerful, because you got your
- 8:03Speaker 1: compounding the money you put into it, and you're using
- 8:05Speaker 1: the power of mortgage leverage a conservative mortgage, conservative debt
- 8:11Speaker 1: levels at good interest rates and good terms, but you're
- 8:14Speaker 1: using the compound the leveraging effect. That you've put ten
- 8:17Speaker 1: to twenty percent of your money into that property, and
- 8:20Speaker 1: the mortgage companies put eighty ninety percent of their money
- 8:23Speaker 1: into it. You've got a great rincher's rate, great terms.
- 8:26Speaker 1: You're going to give the power of compounding over time,
- 8:29Speaker 1: and you're going to your ten or twenty percent. It's
- 8:32Speaker 1: going to benefit of the lift of the whole dollar,
- 8:34Speaker 1: the whole hundred percent, and you're going to build wealth
- 8:37Speaker 1: over time. It's interest on interest is money on money.
- 8:41Speaker 1: But I'm going to do a whole series just on
- 8:44Speaker 1: home ownership. Thank you Janics Brian Howroyd for encouraging me
- 8:48Speaker 1: to do that. You don't need to You don't need
- 8:52Speaker 1: to be rich to get rich. Okay, this is my
- 8:53Speaker 1: mother's story. You just need to be consistent. Right when
- 8:57Speaker 1: he the Smith was consistent ten dollars a day. There's
- 9:01Speaker 1: two coffees or lunch money. Right, put that in the
- 9:04Speaker 1: market and buy sixty. You could be a millionaire without
- 9:08Speaker 1: ever getting a raise. All right, So that is the
- 9:12Speaker 1: second way I've told you how to become a millionaire.
- 9:16Speaker 1: I do a whole piece on how to be a
- 9:18Speaker 1: millionaire in five years. Go back and watch that podcast
- 9:22Speaker 1: and watch those videos. Now. Is it true that millionaires
- 9:30Speaker 1: mostly happen occur develop in their fifties. Yes, most millionaires
- 9:39Speaker 1: don't hit the millionaire mark into their fifties because wealth
- 9:43Speaker 1: creation is typically the result of time, discipline, and compounding,
- 9:52Speaker 1: not sudden windfalls. So wealth builds slowly over time. Compound
- 9:59Speaker 1: interests works best with time. Those who started investing in
- 10:04Speaker 1: their twenties and thirties don't usually see millionaire results until
- 10:07Speaker 1: decades later. It often takes twenty to thirty years of
- 10:11Speaker 1: steady investing, home ownership, business building. That's, by the way,
- 10:16Speaker 1: this is my story, right. I'm fifty nine, and I
- 10:20Speaker 1: really hit my stride somewhere between fifty and fifty three
- 10:29Speaker 1: fifty four, and then things just took off like a rocket, right,
- 10:33Speaker 1: And so what I've been building slowly just compounded over time.
- 10:36Speaker 1: But I'm convinced that all that was based on what
- 10:39Speaker 1: I did for a couple of decades before that. I
- 10:43Speaker 1: gave up going to hanging out in the party at
- 10:45Speaker 1: the parties and the clubs and doing you know, smoking
- 10:48Speaker 1: hookah or smoking reef for what you know, smoking weed
- 10:52Speaker 1: or getting drunk or you know, chasing girls whatever it
- 10:56Speaker 1: is my friends were doing. I'm like, no, that's good.
- 10:59Speaker 1: I'm focused right, because I did not have inheritance, right,
- 11:02Speaker 1: my mom and dad were working people. I did not
- 11:05Speaker 1: want to do anything illegal, right, That was not the
- 11:07Speaker 1: way I flow. I just figured if I use if
- 11:10Speaker 1: what I had was my time, I want to I
- 11:12Speaker 1: want to let anybody abuse my time. You can abuse
- 11:15Speaker 1: maybe one time my money. I want to allow you
- 11:18Speaker 1: to abuse my time. I'm ruthless about my time. And
- 11:21Speaker 1: so I decided to invest anything I had was my time,
- 11:24Speaker 1: and I was going to do it in a way
- 11:25Speaker 1: that compounded based on my time, my talent. Really, I
- 11:28Speaker 1: was a private equity firm and I was the sole
- 11:32Speaker 1: product of that private equity firm. I invested in me.
- 11:35Speaker 1: It was a bet, but the best bet you can
- 11:38Speaker 1: may make its on yourself. So it takes twenty to
- 11:42Speaker 1: thirty years of steady investing home ownership, business building. To
- 11:45Speaker 1: cross a million dollar threshold, I've done it multiple, multiple,
- 11:49Speaker 1: multiple times over now because again it's it's now you know,
- 11:53Speaker 1: money makes more money on money than money can make
- 11:56Speaker 1: on labor. That's what I said earlier. So what is it?
- 12:00Speaker 1: What's what's the story that it's easier to make ten
- 12:05Speaker 1: thousand dollars on one hundred thousand dollars than it is
- 12:08Speaker 1: to make a thousand on ten thousand dollars. It is
- 12:12Speaker 1: easier to make a million on one hundred million, right
- 12:16Speaker 1: than it is to make one hundred thousand on a million.
- 12:20Speaker 1: It just these keeps compounding. Now once you get to
- 12:22Speaker 1: once you get over a million, and again, steady as
- 12:26Speaker 1: you go, you're consistent. You know, now you're making big leaps, right,
- 12:30Speaker 1: and then you get to to twenty million, and then
- 12:32Speaker 1: fifty million, huge leaps, right. And once you get to
- 12:36Speaker 1: one hundred millionaire level. Once you get to billionaire level,
- 12:39Speaker 1: I mean literally, unless you screw it up, you just
- 12:43Speaker 1: shoveling cash and you can do this like certainly, I
- 12:48Speaker 1: mean even millionaire. A millionaire mark is a huge accomplishment
- 12:52Speaker 1: and it's something you can achieve in your lifetime. Fidelity
- 12:57Speaker 1: reports the average fo A one K millionaire. I just
- 13:03Speaker 1: met with a Fidelity of founding family last week. Actually
- 13:07Speaker 1: a very nice person. And Fidelite Investments is a company
- 13:11Speaker 1: that we partner with at Delta air Lines to provide
- 13:13Speaker 1: financial coaching and counseling at all one hundred thousand employees
- 13:16Speaker 1: at Delta, and they are a four to one K manager.
- 13:19Speaker 1: And Fidelity reports that the average four a one K millionaire,
- 13:24Speaker 1: meaning that it's just auto invested. Right, You're not doing
- 13:27Speaker 1: anything spectacular back, You're not doing anything other than putting
- 13:31Speaker 1: that money in every paycheck, period, set and release, going
- 13:34Speaker 1: about your business and never taking it out. Fidelity reports
- 13:38Speaker 1: the average four oh one K millionaire is fifty nine
- 13:41Speaker 1: years old. Hello, okay, okay, make this up. Coincidence is
- 13:45Speaker 1: God's way? Are remaining anonymous? That's and Andrew Young quote
- 13:48Speaker 1: the average for all one K millionaire. I'm not a
- 13:50Speaker 1: four a one K millionaire. I've been making I made
- 13:53Speaker 1: my money in real estate and in other areas and
- 13:56Speaker 1: traditional business, and I use my own talent, my own hustle. Right,
- 14:05Speaker 1: But I'm and I don't work for anybody else that
- 14:07Speaker 1: worked for me. I have a four to one K,
- 14:09Speaker 1: but it's modest. But even that's on modest from my
- 14:13Speaker 1: from my network. But even that's on auto investment. I
- 14:17Speaker 1: don't bother it. But the average person who really focuses
- 14:21Speaker 1: on their four one K to become a millionaire an
- 14:24Speaker 1: employee at W two employee, all right, I write checks,
- 14:27Speaker 1: I don't cash them, don't really cast them cash them
- 14:30Speaker 1: as a is a W two employee employee. I'm an employer, right,
- 14:34Speaker 1: Uh is fifty nine years of age when they hit
- 14:38Speaker 1: that millionaire mark. In your twenties and your thirties. Uh,
- 14:42Speaker 1: this is why early years are for learning, not earning.
- 14:45Speaker 1: Right in your twenties, in your thirties, you're paying off
- 14:49Speaker 1: your student loans, which is an investment in you. By
- 14:51Speaker 1: the way, you're gonna make more money. You have more
- 14:55Speaker 1: earning power by far, by more than double with a
- 15:00Speaker 1: The higher education of some sort versus a high school education,
- 15:03Speaker 1: particularly in this new world we're in, the nature of
- 15:07Speaker 1: higher education is going to change. I believe. I don't
- 15:10Speaker 1: believe that four year traditional degrees or six year or
- 15:15Speaker 1: whatever you know for advanced degrees. I don't believe that
- 15:18Speaker 1: that's the only path to education. I just believe you
- 15:21Speaker 1: need to get an education you can also trades by
- 15:24Speaker 1: the way, tradesmen tradeswomen. Then we need fifty thousand plumbers
- 15:28Speaker 1: a year. I think that number is right over the
- 15:30Speaker 1: top of my head. About the same for electricians. I
- 15:33Speaker 1: mean you cannot AI and electrician you cannot AI. Right,
- 15:37Speaker 1: a plumber, those pipes broke break, you need some help
- 15:40Speaker 1: right now, You're going to call somebody. You're paying whatever
- 15:43Speaker 1: they're going rate is. These people are making bank. They're
- 15:46Speaker 1: making good money, and if you invest that, you can
- 15:49Speaker 1: become a millionaire in the trades right, much quicker than
- 15:53Speaker 1: we're talking about in these examples I'm giving you here.
- 15:57Speaker 1: But once again you on average, all millionaires, including small
- 16:02Speaker 1: business millionaires, do it in their fifties. So in your
- 16:16Speaker 1: twenties and your thirties, you're paying off student loans, you're
- 16:18Speaker 1: figuring out your career path, you're making mistakes, moving cities,
- 16:22Speaker 1: switching jobs. Sound familiar. Wealth typically follows mastery and consistency,
- 16:28Speaker 1: which people often don't hit until their forties and their fifties. Right,
- 16:35Speaker 1: income tends to peak in their fifties. In your fifties,
- 16:41Speaker 1: for most professional salaries peak between forty five and sixty
- 16:45Speaker 1: years of age. More seniority, leadership roles, or business equity
- 16:50Speaker 1: happens later in life. Typically it's certainly all this, by
- 16:54Speaker 1: the way, is certainly the case for me. Wealth accumulation
- 16:57Speaker 1: accelerates when the income is higher. Expenses have stabilized, So
- 17:01Speaker 1: when you're younger, everything that goes out comes in is
- 17:04Speaker 1: going out, your party and you having fun. You're traveling
- 17:07Speaker 1: as you should. By the way. Number four, Home equity
- 17:10Speaker 1: and real assets appreciate over decades. Slow it down, let
- 17:16Speaker 1: the game come to you. Many many become millionaires, not
- 17:20Speaker 1: through cash, but through equity. This is my story. Primary residents, investment, property,
- 17:28Speaker 1: retirement accounts. These assets often take ten to twenty to
- 17:33Speaker 1: thirty years to mature in value. Number five lifestyle shifts
- 17:40Speaker 1: that enable savings in later years. Kids grow up, f
- 17:43Speaker 1: your childcare expenses, debt is reduced or paid off. Typically
- 17:47Speaker 1: lifestyle stabilizes. Right. This frees up more money to invest
- 17:51Speaker 1: in build networks, which means when by the time you
- 17:53Speaker 1: hit forty forty five year go now has become there
- 17:56Speaker 1: will be worth two million dollars or three million dollars. Well,
- 18:00Speaker 1: maybe maybe your kids have you know, because you had
- 18:01Speaker 1: kids early, maybe your kids have rolled out and they're
- 18:04Speaker 1: doing their own thing because you had them when you're twenty.
- 18:06Speaker 1: I'm not encouraging to have children early. By the way,
- 18:10Speaker 1: here's some bonus insights for you, the flash flash versus
- 18:14Speaker 1: the foundational myth. Right. People often assume the millionaires got
- 18:19Speaker 1: rich through you know, lottery or fame or whatever you know,
- 18:23Speaker 1: but that's not what the data shows. Only twenty percent
- 18:26Speaker 1: of millionaires inherited their wealth are got at some windfall somewhere.
- 18:31Speaker 1: Eighty percent of all millionaires are self made, just like me.
- 18:39Speaker 1: Slow and steady wins the race. Don't let Instagram fool you.
- 18:44Speaker 1: Real wealth is boring and it takes time. But if
- 18:47Speaker 1: you stay the chorus by your fifties, you can be
- 18:49Speaker 1: the first millionaire in your family tree. Now can I
- 18:52Speaker 1: get an a man on that? And that is the
- 18:56Speaker 1: new sexy. There are no ugly millionaires. There are no
- 18:59Speaker 1: ugly senti millionaires. There are no ugly billionaires. Right, everybody's
- 19:05Speaker 1: attractive when you're successful. Now you say, well, but John,
- 19:11Speaker 1: you know, once I get to my fifties, aren't my
- 19:12Speaker 1: best years behind me? No? No, you're going to live
- 19:15Speaker 1: to one hundred. If you're in this generation, in good health,
- 19:18Speaker 1: your best years are ahead of you because now you
- 19:21Speaker 1: have wisdom. You still have your good looks, you still
- 19:23Speaker 1: have your good health, You've got talent, skills, optionality. All
- 19:27Speaker 1: money is his freedom. Now you've got more freedom. Oh,
- 19:29Speaker 1: now it's time and to roll right. It's an old
- 19:33Speaker 1: joke that youth is wasted on the young. Right. So
- 19:36Speaker 1: you made mistakes, you screwed up, you tripped and fail
- 19:40Speaker 1: you over you thought things were more important they really were.
- 19:43Speaker 1: You're tripping out over things that weren't important, trying to
- 19:45Speaker 1: spending all your time to impress somebody you really don't
- 19:47Speaker 1: want to be, like, hello, can I get an a
- 19:49Speaker 1: man on that? By you get older, you're like, okay,
- 19:54Speaker 1: that's a bunch of drama. I'm good. So intelligence comes,
- 19:59Speaker 1: you know, at any time, comes through books, but wisdom
- 20:02Speaker 1: comes with time and experiences. So your wellness will absolutely contribute.
- 20:09Speaker 1: Right to the fifty really feeling like the new forty right,
- 20:15Speaker 1: And there's data to support this. In nineteen fifty, the
- 20:18Speaker 1: US life expectancy with sixty eight years of age. Today
- 20:22Speaker 1: it's seventy seven to eighty years of age. Again, it's
- 20:25Speaker 1: eighty one and seven hundred credit corre neighborhoods. That means
- 20:29Speaker 1: that at fifty year old today often has thirty to
- 20:32Speaker 1: forty years of life expectancy, especially with access to good
- 20:36Speaker 1: health care and lifestyle choices. Their wellness economy by itself
- 20:41Speaker 1: is a five trillion dollar economy plus including fitness, wellness,
- 20:48Speaker 1: mental health, nutrition, holistic care. And people over fifty are
- 20:52Speaker 1: the fastest growing demographic who are going to be using
- 20:56Speaker 1: more fitness and more wellness tech. I think Peloton, WHOOPI, hacking, etc.
- 21:01Speaker 1: So this is a business idea for you. By the way,
- 21:03Speaker 1: you've got the largest population ever over sixty five. You
- 21:08Speaker 1: have more people over sixty five than under age eighteen, right,
- 21:12Speaker 1: and these folks over sixty five tend to be affluent.
- 21:15Speaker 1: So that's maybe another podcast or another day. But I
- 21:21Speaker 1: want you to be encouraged by growing older gracefully and
- 21:27Speaker 1: positively and with a lot of positive expectation that you
- 21:32Speaker 1: can live a quality of life longer me and midlife
- 21:37Speaker 1: reinvention is the new normal. Career pivots at forty five
- 21:41Speaker 1: to sixty years of age are now expected, not rare, Okay,
- 21:45Speaker 1: Entrepreneurship rates are highest amongst people aged forty five to
- 21:50Speaker 1: sixty four. Think about the Coffin study. Coffin Foundation study.
- 21:54Speaker 1: Read that study that talks about that second acts are
- 21:57Speaker 1: being taken more seriously by people because people feel healthier
- 22:02Speaker 1: and more energized than generations before. Right, mental health and
- 22:07Speaker 1: mindset shifts. Greater focus on purpose, therapy, emotional wellbeing is
- 22:14Speaker 1: helping people to avoid burnout and chronic stress. Many people
- 22:18Speaker 1: feel more aligned, clear headed, and focused at fifty than
- 22:21Speaker 1: they ever did it thirty. I think I'm I Please,
- 22:24Speaker 1: don't hate me for saying this. I think I look
- 22:26Speaker 1: better now. I think I feel better now. I'm in
- 22:31Speaker 1: better I'm in better shape, I've got better energy, I've
- 22:34Speaker 1: got better purpose, I've got I'm calmer. Look, let me
- 22:39Speaker 1: just say it. Smart, it's a new sexy. Right, Smart
- 22:42Speaker 1: and mature, steady, sure is a new sexy. That's what
- 22:47Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Boring is a new sexy. Right. That's
- 22:50Speaker 1: a TDJ quote that you gave me the last one.
- 22:53Speaker 1: Boring is a new sexy. I did a podcast on that,
- 22:57Speaker 1: So here you go. I'm gonna give you some examples
- 22:59Speaker 1: of folks who knocked it out the part later in life.
- 23:03Speaker 1: So fifty is just the beginning. All right, health, well,
- 23:06Speaker 1: health and wisdom and winning is your second half act.
- 23:10Speaker 1: Most millionaires don't hit this milestone their twenties or thirties.
- 23:13Speaker 1: And again court in the Fidelity, this happens in your
- 23:16Speaker 1: mid fifties, not by winning the lottery, not by talking
- 23:21Speaker 1: about all this cash, got this dollar, I got this gag,
- 23:24Speaker 1: this bag, got this that All money is an exchange
- 23:27Speaker 1: of value. That's all it is. And if your outfloaks
- 23:31Speaker 1: has your inflow, then your overhead it will be your downfall.
- 23:33Speaker 1: And if you're a professional athlete, are you trying to
- 23:36Speaker 1: hook up with one, or you're a rapper or whatever,
- 23:38Speaker 1: you're a singer, all good, that's fantastic. But if you
- 23:42Speaker 1: burn out and run through your cash and your contract
- 23:44Speaker 1: is over in your late twenties or early thirties, which
- 23:47Speaker 1: is typically the case. And if what I just said
- 23:49Speaker 1: is true, which're going to live another sixty eighty years,
- 23:53Speaker 1: what are you going to do for the rest of
- 23:53Speaker 1: your life? Work at Starbucks, work at work at work
- 23:56Speaker 1: at Walmart, work at Petco. Right, that's not going to
- 24:00Speaker 1: go very well for your ego. So you need to
- 24:03Speaker 1: set your life up for the rest of your life.
- 24:06Speaker 1: But here's the good news. It's not too late. It's
- 24:09Speaker 1: not too late to reset, rebound, repurpose. So the myth
- 24:17Speaker 1: about early success is mostly wrong. Most of the folks that
- 24:23Speaker 1: I knew who are balling in their twenties are broke now.
- 24:27Speaker 1: They were flossing. They're balling. They were John, you should
- 24:30Speaker 1: hang out with us. They're all broken, most of them
- 24:31Speaker 1: asking me for a job. The twenties and thirties. As
- 24:35Speaker 1: I said earlier, but I'll say it again, it's worth repeating,
- 24:39Speaker 1: are often about learning about failure. So it's just an all.
- 24:43Speaker 1: Failure is an outcome to an experiment, that's all it is.
- 24:46Speaker 1: And it's about reinventions, about finding your purpose, finding your meaning,
- 24:52Speaker 1: becoming reasonably comfortable in your own skin. And then you
- 24:55Speaker 1: hustle for decades and and then you begin to harvest. Okay,
- 25:02Speaker 1: so the data shows that most millonaires become that way
- 25:07Speaker 1: in their mid fifties. But I'm not just talking about
- 25:11Speaker 1: money or wealth creation or investing in entrepreneurship in real estate,
- 25:16Speaker 1: although that's what I did. I'm going to also talk
- 25:20Speaker 1: to you about community millionaires, spiritual millionaires, social justice millionaires. Right,
- 25:29Speaker 1: people who've overinduxed on purpose, on purpose and on purpose
- 25:37Speaker 1: people talk about Nelson Mandela, and they're so proud as
- 25:41Speaker 1: I'm I of Nelson Mandela. I've got Nelson Mandela's prison
- 25:44Speaker 1: number right on my risk right now. I wear it
- 25:46Speaker 1: every day, Okay. And I think that my mentor and
- 25:49Speaker 1: bassor Andrew Young is a Nelson Mandela of this generation.
- 25:52Speaker 1: But Nelson Mandela people don't really think about this. He
- 25:56Speaker 1: was an angry black man. He was an attorney. He
- 25:59Speaker 1: was angry most of his thirties, in his forties about
- 26:02Speaker 1: the injustice in the world. He went into prison at
- 26:06Speaker 1: age forty seven, please hear me now, went in the
- 26:09Speaker 1: prison at forty seven, right, stayed there twenty seven long years.
- 26:15Speaker 1: He was not a global leader until age seventy. Everything
- 26:21Speaker 1: you think you know about Nelson Mandela, the world changing president,
- 26:26Speaker 1: the world changing iconic leader, he did after the age
- 26:29Speaker 1: of seventy. Even got remarried to the love of his life.
- 26:33Speaker 1: I think it was Grascia Michelle Right and lived an incredible,
- 26:38Speaker 1: extraordinary life that will literally live on forever in his legacy.
- 26:45Speaker 1: Colonel Sanders. He founded KFC, the Fried Chicken franchise. He
- 26:50Speaker 1: didn't do that until age sixty five. Started it at
- 26:57Speaker 1: a sixty five veruwayin Right, the famed designer. She started
- 27:03Speaker 1: designing dresses at age forty. Here's one for you. Sam Walton,
- 27:11Speaker 1: founder of Walmart, one of my partners. I'm CEO. I'm CEO.
- 27:15Speaker 1: I'm co founder with the CEO of Walmart. A financial
- 27:18Speaker 1: literacy for all Doug McMillan. I love the dude, and
- 27:21Speaker 1: I really admire the company. But that started with one
- 27:24Speaker 1: store and a big vision, and he started scaling his company.
- 27:29Speaker 1: He didn't start scaling Walmart until his mid fifties. Now
- 27:37Speaker 1: you hear my story, and I really have not. I mean,
- 27:42Speaker 1: I think my best years are ahead of me, but
- 27:43Speaker 1: I didn't really hit my stride. I've been building infrastructure
- 27:46Speaker 1: and building systems, building a management team, building a company,
- 27:51Speaker 1: building organization, making mistakes right, falling down, getting back up successes,
- 27:56Speaker 1: going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. I
- 27:59Speaker 1: take no for vitamins, building resiliency over the rounded, through it.
- 28:04Speaker 1: We're going to get to it. I mean, my twenties,
- 28:08Speaker 1: my teens, and my twenties, my thirties were mostly a blur.
- 28:13Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just running. I was just runn I've
- 28:15Speaker 1: been to one hundred countries didn't really enjoy most of them,
- 28:18Speaker 1: and I was just run. I was taking care of
- 28:19Speaker 1: business and I went there broke. When they're you know,
- 28:24Speaker 1: try t try traveling coach to Japan. I've done that right,
- 28:27Speaker 1: coach to Africa, in the middle seat, with your knees
- 28:30Speaker 1: in your in your chest. I've done all that. Whatever
- 28:34Speaker 1: experience is, I've had it. And that just gives you
- 28:40Speaker 1: a lot of comfort later in your life. And no
- 28:44Speaker 1: one can talk to you crazy. When one talk to
- 28:45Speaker 1: you out side of their mouth, try to tell you something.
- 28:48Speaker 1: That's why when you see me on comments on my
- 28:51Speaker 1: on social media, on Instagram, whatever, if I'm coming back
- 28:54Speaker 1: at somebody sharp, it's because I know what I'm talking
- 28:56Speaker 1: about and they don't right to argue with the food
- 28:59Speaker 1: cruiser a too right, And so I don't argue with people.
- 29:03Speaker 1: I just simply set them straight. And now, if I
- 29:04Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, I don't say anything.
- 29:06Speaker 1: But if I know my facts, don't come at me sideways. Right.
- 29:08Speaker 1: Have you a me coming to me respectfully? You're not
- 29:11Speaker 1: gonna disrespect me on my own page. I mean I
- 29:15Speaker 1: was born at night, not last night. Right now, when
- 29:18Speaker 1: out of myself esteem, depends on someone else's acceptance of me.
- 29:21Speaker 1: But again, this comes with time. This level of sort
- 29:24Speaker 1: of personal comfort, being reasonably comfortable in your own skin, right,
- 29:29Speaker 1: just comes in time, comes with time. So again I
- 29:35Speaker 1: gained spiritual wealth. We're not human beings having a spiritual experience,
- 29:38Speaker 1: where spiritual beings having a human experience. That spiritual wealth
- 29:43Speaker 1: came with time. That wisdom, right, social wealth, community legacy wealth.
- 29:48Speaker 1: You know, the impact work that we're doing. You know,
- 29:50Speaker 1: Operation Hope is thirty three years old. I mean that's
- 29:53Speaker 1: older than some people listening to this podcast. So it
- 29:58Speaker 1: just takes time, you know. Quincy Jones says, it takes
- 30:01Speaker 1: twenty years to change a culture. Right, in the last
- 30:04Speaker 1: twenty years, I think we've made dumb sexy. We've dumbed
- 30:06Speaker 1: down and celebrated it in his time to make smart
- 30:10Speaker 1: sexy again. So real worth, real wealth, and real worth
- 30:18Speaker 1: equals more than money. So financial wealth with community wealth,
- 30:24Speaker 1: mental wealth, legacy wealth, social wealth enough for everybody. That's
- 30:31Speaker 1: what I'm doing here is sort of reinvesting in you.
- 30:34Speaker 1: This is these are really important things. The idea that
- 30:39Speaker 1: your fifties are when you're when your story is over
- 30:43Speaker 1: is ridiculous. That's when your network, your relationship, capital, your knowledge,
- 30:48Speaker 1: and your narrative all ALIVEE it's the right time. It's
- 30:52Speaker 1: a great rap. See if I get my brother Ta
- 30:56Speaker 1: to put me on one of his albums with Killer Mike.
- 31:08Speaker 1: So here's for the late bloomers. I want you to
- 31:11Speaker 1: understand that it was okay that you party through your
- 31:14Speaker 1: twenties and your thirties. You're not behind, You're just on time.
- 31:19Speaker 1: You're just beginning. The best builders of legacy often come
- 31:24Speaker 1: with scars and stories and seasoning. You cannot have a
- 31:28Speaker 1: rainbow without a storm first. Can I get an amen?
- 31:33Speaker 1: That's not just good theology, good philosophy, it's actually a
- 31:37Speaker 1: scientific fact. I want you to start with budgeting and saving.
- 31:43Speaker 1: Even if you're starting at forty five or fifty five,
- 31:46Speaker 1: it's not too late. I want you to go to
- 31:49Speaker 1: one of my whole financial coaches. We tell them I
- 31:51Speaker 1: sense you. They'll give you a starter scholarship from Operation
- 31:54Speaker 1: Hope to get you into one year of free financial
- 31:58Speaker 1: coaching and counseling. We're going to help you create a budget,
- 32:02Speaker 1: a lifestyle budget, an investment budget, and a flossing budget
- 32:05Speaker 1: if you want, certainly the lifestyle living budget. We're going
- 32:08Speaker 1: to help you realign your life, take it back control
- 32:11Speaker 1: of your life, master your credit, get your debt down,
- 32:15Speaker 1: stop spending money on silly stuff, or at least point
- 32:18Speaker 1: the silly stuff out to you, so that you can
- 32:19Speaker 1: decide for yourself whether in pressing somebody you don't know
- 32:22Speaker 1: what money you don't have about things that don't matter
- 32:25Speaker 1: is actually something you should be spending your time and
- 32:28Speaker 1: energy on. They're going to help you get your life
- 32:30Speaker 1: right and help you make some decisions and keep you
- 32:32Speaker 1: on tasks like a coach, like a private banker. You're
- 32:35Speaker 1: going to see your life skyrocket. I want you to
- 32:38Speaker 1: tell your friends and listen to this podcast. I want
- 32:40Speaker 1: you get your book Financial Literacy for All and open
- 32:42Speaker 1: it up and read it once, one chapter a week,
- 32:45Speaker 1: with your posse, with your crew. Don't do this alone.
- 32:48Speaker 1: Do it with your mouse, your smouse. Mouse. Don't maybe
- 32:51Speaker 1: if you're alone, do it with the mouse. Do it
- 32:52Speaker 1: with your spouse. Right, do it with your family. Do
- 32:55Speaker 1: it with your children. Do it with your sorority group,
- 32:58Speaker 1: your fraternity group, social group. Right, with your friends, your relatives,
- 33:04Speaker 1: your coworkers. Right, create a club, a silver rights club
- 33:08Speaker 1: and the suites to match the civil rights activity in
- 33:11Speaker 1: the streets. Be intentional about your success. I want you
- 33:17Speaker 1: to buy a house. I'm going to do this again,
- 33:18Speaker 1: a dedicated series on the process of owning a home.
- 33:21Speaker 1: So don't worry about that. I'm gonna walk you through
- 33:24Speaker 1: it because you shouldn't feel ashamed that you don't know
- 33:26Speaker 1: the steps. There's no shame in the game of not
- 33:31Speaker 1: knowing right, it's not asking questions. Quincy Jones again, great
- 33:36Speaker 1: quote from him that God gave you two ears in
- 33:39Speaker 1: one mouth, so you listen twice as much as you talk.
- 33:41Speaker 1: Be nosy, right. I want you to own a home.
- 33:44Speaker 1: Why Because the number one way you build wealth in
- 33:46Speaker 1: America is home ownership. Forty five forty four percent of
- 33:51Speaker 1: African Americans own a home, compared to seventy five percent
- 33:54Speaker 1: of our mainstream counterparts. Why they're doing it because it's
- 33:58Speaker 1: the easiest way to pass away the home own ownership.
- 34:01Speaker 1: And I just get things ridiculous to see these folks
- 34:03Speaker 1: on TV who own a home telling you not to
- 34:07Speaker 1: buy a home. I think it's crazy. So ignore that
- 34:10Speaker 1: noise and buy a house. The whole tax policy in
- 34:12Speaker 1: the US is centered around and focused on encouraging home ownership,
- 34:18Speaker 1: start a business, get that wheel done, open that investment
- 34:25Speaker 1: account today people to day, and don't say you can't
- 34:30Speaker 1: do it, because you certainly could go out of that
- 34:31Speaker 1: club or that restaurant, couldn't. You certainly can go out
- 34:34Speaker 1: to that party. By the way, you know, there used
- 34:35Speaker 1: to be rent parties back in the day. Back in
- 34:38Speaker 1: the forties and the fifties, Black folks did rent parties.
- 34:40Speaker 1: You'd go to one party. We revived this, by the way,
- 34:43Speaker 1: if you like, somebody would hold a party. They couldn't
- 34:46Speaker 1: they're having problem meeting their rent, and everybody was come
- 34:49Speaker 1: and pay ten dollars at the door, the equivalent today
- 34:51Speaker 1: of ten dollars at the door. And next month it'd
- 34:56Speaker 1: be a somebody else holding a party and they were
- 34:59Speaker 1: a little short on rent money or grocery money, whatever,
- 35:02Speaker 1: and then they pay that person ten dollars at the
- 35:04Speaker 1: door and everybody had fun. Everybody, you know, was great entertainment.
- 35:07Speaker 1: You're offset the costs of the party, but you also
- 35:09Speaker 1: help to endow this person to live a dignified life.
- 35:12Speaker 1: You can also do that, by the way, a little
- 35:14Speaker 1: bit more money, maybe one hundred bucks, and start a
- 35:16Speaker 1: business rotating pool. That allows this person to start a business.
- 35:21Speaker 1: And the next time you have an event and that
- 35:23Speaker 1: person is able to start a business, and and you know,
- 35:26Speaker 1: you don't own anything in that person's business, so that
- 35:29Speaker 1: makes it more complicated. So there shouldn't be any debts here.
- 35:32Speaker 1: You know, everybody gets a turn. If it's ten people
- 35:35Speaker 1: in this group or twenty the more people in the group.
- 35:39Speaker 1: Actually easier is to do this with real money. You
- 35:42Speaker 1: get thirty, forty, fifty, one hundred people in a group,
- 35:45Speaker 1: and then over the course and if everybody's contributing one
- 35:47Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week, or one hundred dollars every two weeks,
- 35:51Speaker 1: or one hundred dollars a month, then over the course
- 35:54Speaker 1: of time, right, it's twelve months in the year. So
- 35:57Speaker 1: if you're doing that once a month, they're going to
- 35:58Speaker 1: do twelve turns at a time. You have you know,
- 36:01Speaker 1: if you have fifty people in the group, that within
- 36:05Speaker 1: four years everybody gets a chance to start a business
- 36:07Speaker 1: or to become a homeowner. Okay, that's a whole different situation,
- 36:10Speaker 1: but you should not be coming back and saying where's
- 36:13Speaker 1: my money later? Right in that example that that's where
- 36:16Speaker 1: it gets messy, right, So buy a home, start a business,
- 36:21Speaker 1: get that will done, open that investment account with an institutional,
- 36:25Speaker 1: credible investment manager and buy it. Don't buy flaky stuff.
- 36:29Speaker 1: This is not the time for crypto. Hello, I'm not
- 36:32Speaker 1: being anti crypto. I'm saying I don't want you using
- 36:34Speaker 1: your rent money for silly stuff that may implode on you.
- 36:37Speaker 1: People who made money in crypto in part got lucky.
- 36:41Speaker 1: They just got lucky. You got unlucky or have lost
- 36:43Speaker 1: it all. So you take if you want to do
- 36:45Speaker 1: crypto or whatever, take two percent and then do that.
- 36:49Speaker 1: By the way, I think crypto, I think blockchain technology,
- 36:52Speaker 1: which is undercrypto, is brilliant. I just want you losing
- 36:56Speaker 1: your money. That's the only reason I want you to
- 36:58Speaker 1: be protected, right. I want you to build a financial
- 37:02Speaker 1: comeback plan with your name on it. So it's just
- 37:07Speaker 1: not too late to build way wealth after fifty. In fact,
- 37:10Speaker 1: that's the expectation, Mandela. Time means that your greatest chapter
- 37:15Speaker 1: just might be ahead of you. Late bloomers. Not only
- 37:19Speaker 1: can you not win, you're expected to win. You will win.
- 37:25Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to hit a moving target, and
- 37:27Speaker 1: it's really hard to lose when you're compounding that benefit
- 37:30Speaker 1: of consistency over time. So either you're a late bloomer,
- 37:35Speaker 1: you know you're right on time for becoming wealthy and
- 37:41Speaker 1: finding purpose in the middle course of your life. Reinvention
- 37:48Speaker 1: at midlife is the new normal. Okay. So I want
- 37:53Speaker 1: you to be encouraged. I want you to start the
- 37:58Speaker 1: movie of your life right now. I want you to
- 38:03Speaker 1: tell people you love all around you that they can
- 38:06Speaker 1: do it right. That whether you believe you can or
- 38:10Speaker 1: whether you believe you can't, you're absolutely right that mindset matters.
- 38:16Speaker 1: Read my book Up from Nothing on Mindset. Read my
- 38:20Speaker 1: book The Memo, because it is what you don't know
- 38:23Speaker 1: that you don't know this killing you but you think
- 38:25Speaker 1: you know. Read Financial Literacy for All because it gives
- 38:27Speaker 1: you all the tools to master what I think is
- 38:31Speaker 1: the civil rights issue of this generation. Financial literacy. Read
- 38:36Speaker 1: how the Portkin said capitalism, so that you know what
- 38:40Speaker 1: an asset you and we really are. Read Love Leadership
- 38:45Speaker 1: because I want you to come at life as a
- 38:48Speaker 1: lover and as a leader who gives right Again. I
- 38:51Speaker 1: can't guarantee that being positive is going to make you
- 38:55Speaker 1: a success, but I absolutely guarantee you that being negative
- 38:58Speaker 1: is going to make you fail and you'll be miserable.
- 39:01Speaker 1: Doctor King one said that hate and evil cannot self
- 39:08Speaker 1: generate because it has within it the seeds of its
- 39:12Speaker 1: own demise. I want you to be positive. I want
- 39:15Speaker 1: you to see the glasses half full. I want you
- 39:18Speaker 1: to get up in the morning, no matter where you are,
- 39:20Speaker 1: no matter what age you are, and know that this
- 39:23Speaker 1: might be and just could be the best day, in
- 39:26Speaker 1: the best week, in the best year, in the best
- 39:29Speaker 1: era of your life. Remember, Mandela found the love of
- 39:32Speaker 1: his life after he got out of prison. And he
- 39:36Speaker 1: didn't change the world until after he got out of prison.
- 39:38Speaker 1: That means his seventies, in his eighties, we're killing it.
- 39:42Speaker 1: He was at the club, the Club of his best
- 39:47Speaker 1: life at eighty five. My mentor and bassor Andrew Young
- 39:53Speaker 1: is ninety three years young. You talk to him if
- 39:57Speaker 1: you have the opportunity of talking to man who was
- 39:59Speaker 1: on the He was on the balcony with doctor King,
- 40:01Speaker 1: the last living lieutenant for Doctor Martina King Jr. Helped
- 40:04Speaker 1: to build Atlanta as the only international city in the South,
- 40:06Speaker 1: brought the Olympics to it Atlanta, Georgia, you know, helped
- 40:10Speaker 1: to get Delta to go to Africa, and he's on
- 40:12Speaker 1: the board at Delta. Just so many accolades, over one hundred,
- 40:16Speaker 1: honorary doctor degrees, congressman, mayor, builder, civil rights leader, pastor,
- 40:23Speaker 1: so many lives within this life, so many lives. And
- 40:29Speaker 1: why is he still alive when all of his friends,
- 40:31Speaker 1: many of his friends have passed away. I believe because
- 40:34Speaker 1: he has sustained purpose. He's one of these millionaires of
- 40:37Speaker 1: spirit and soul and purpose. He's every week going to
- 40:42Speaker 1: give speeches. Every week, he's traveling somewhere every week. He's engaged,
- 40:47Speaker 1: just at our house a couple of days ago for
- 40:49Speaker 1: Shakesware's birthday. I mean, he's always engaging in life. He's
- 40:53Speaker 1: doing interviews, he's writing, and he's thinking, he's reflecting. He's
- 40:58Speaker 1: not just playing golf, retiring at sixty years of age
- 41:03Speaker 1: sixty five and going to play golf. Those friends of his,
- 41:07Speaker 1: many of them, most of them not nothing, no knock
- 41:09Speaker 1: against golf. If you want to play golf, go do it.
- 41:13Speaker 1: But they lost their purpose, they lost their way. There
- 41:16Speaker 1: was nothing to get up for in the morning. That
- 41:19Speaker 1: hell was bigger than themselves. Purpose is something is large
- 41:21Speaker 1: and more important yourself and a lot of those people
- 41:23Speaker 1: have passed on to glory. Bastard Young has lived a long,
- 41:27Speaker 1: glorious life continues to do so because he's more focused
- 41:30Speaker 1: on giving than getting a purpose larger and more important
- 41:34Speaker 1: than himself, and that extends his wellness, his well being,
- 41:39Speaker 1: his life, his legacy, his purpose. Part of that legacy
- 41:42Speaker 1: for him is in the mic with you right now,
- 41:48Speaker 1: because he helped to raise me and all forever be
- 41:52Speaker 1: in his debt. You can become a millionaire in your fifties.
- 41:55Speaker 1: I just gave you a small dose of that. This
- 41:57Speaker 1: is John O'Brien is Money and Wealth on the Black
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