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Mathew Knowles EXCLUSIVE on Beyoncé, Destiny’s Child & More · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: What mister knowles up, Carlo, I am in the castle.
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  Speaker 3: Come here, it's really here. He brought my favorite about
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  Speaker 3: your favorite.
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  Speaker 4: My mama raised me, right, she did.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, don't go no one's.
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  Speaker 4: House empty handed. Never Well, you know this is you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a presence of a legend.
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  Speaker 2: I got to make sure I looked the part, dressed
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  Speaker 2: apart and you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, come looking good.
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  Speaker 3: So you're looking great.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you come from Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I was just in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: You are literally making some deals.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah I did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Look at the art. My mister knows the artwork.
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  Speaker 3: That I have to tell you about this house. We
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  Speaker 3: bought this house four years ago. It was built in
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  Speaker 3: the nineties by a black man. A black man was
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  Speaker 3: the same man, architect and builder in our whole neighborhood,
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  Speaker 3: sixty five houses, he built two, and we're grateful and
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  Speaker 3: fortunate to be in one. And it has that spirit.
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  Speaker 3: It does spirits that spirit. I feel that a black man,
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  Speaker 3: this is good. Got the summer. That was that was,
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  Speaker 3: that was, That's that. I love showing this stairback. This
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  Speaker 3: is why I bought the house. This is why I
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  Speaker 3: bought the house.
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  Speaker 4: Right TV Crims, all right, we TV what you got?
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  Speaker 4: Oh lord, no, yo, I've never seen that before. I've
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  Speaker 4: never seen that before.
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  Speaker 3: So when we first looked at the house, Gina, who's
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  Speaker 3: your biggest fan bout it? Gena was down here with
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  Speaker 3: the realature, you know, we were looking down here. Then
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  Speaker 3: he was like, let's go upstairs. So I just stayed
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  Speaker 3: right here. They got upstairs and he said, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think your husband liked this house. She was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: he's trying to figure out he's gonna bite it because
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  Speaker 3: that is it was ray on. My price was raised.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh god, I can't beat that.
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  Speaker 1: Come in, man, well, listen, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: inviding me in your home.
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  Speaker 4: You have no your home is beautiful. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You and miss Gina did a splendid job.
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  Speaker 3: Well we've been here four years now, okay, and it
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  Speaker 3: was a hot mess when we moved there, but we're
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  Speaker 3: there now, we're there, We're happy.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Gina trusts me to design this. The person that built
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  Speaker 3: this house was a black man. I love that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I love that. So we're we're we're at home. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I give all the props to your wife, Gina,
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  Speaker 2: because she's the reason why I'm sitting here.
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  Speaker 3: She is.
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  Speaker 4: I've been telling to day. You have no idea who
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  Speaker 4: I was. And when my.
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  Speaker 2: Team reached out to you to request the interview, I
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  Speaker 2: was told by my producer you said, but first of all,
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  Speaker 2: who is this Carlos King you talk about?
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  Speaker 4: And then you told your wife She said, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: love him.
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  Speaker 3: You need to do it absolutely, And I was like, rollo,
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  Speaker 3: who is that? She was like, you have to know
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  Speaker 3: who that is? Well I was like, okay, because I
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  Speaker 3: trust her, Yeah, I trust her. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well no, it's going to be good. So listen, I
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  Speaker 4: want to start by saying this, and I mean this.
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  Speaker 2: With every fiber in my being, with every sentiment in
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  Speaker 2: my soul. Okay, this interview means the world to me because,
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  Speaker 2: unbeknownst to.
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  Speaker 4: You, I have followed.
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  Speaker 2: Your career since I was fifteen years old. What fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: I'm forty five. I'm forty five years old.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you are someone that I.
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  Speaker 2: Have looked up to for thirty years and counting.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why I wanted you to.
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  Speaker 2: Know that is because you have no idea the impact
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  Speaker 2: that you have made on my life being a black
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  Speaker 2: man in an industry that at fifteen years old I
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  Speaker 2: knew I wanted to be a part of. I do
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  Speaker 2: reality television and podcasting and digital, but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: at fifteen I.
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  Speaker 4: Was going to do that.
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  Speaker 2: But for me, mister Knowles, I saw a black man
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  Speaker 2: who took charge of a white, male dominated industry and
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  Speaker 2: you did it unapologetically. You did it with such a
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  Speaker 2: masterful strategy, and I don't think you get the props
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  Speaker 2: you deserve.
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  Speaker 4: So I want you to know this. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here to give you your flowers. I'm here to
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  Speaker 2: give you your respect, and I also want to be
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  Speaker 2: able to use my platform to educate my peers and
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  Speaker 2: the younger generation on the establishment that you have created
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  Speaker 2: and curated for people like me to be able to
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  Speaker 2: take your blueprint. And it doesn't mean you have to
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  Speaker 2: be in the music industry is for ever person in
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  Speaker 2: the world who came from a community where they were
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  Speaker 2: invisible and dominated, and this interview, this conversation rather is
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for me to let the world know how
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  Speaker 2: much not only mean to me, but what you mean
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  Speaker 2: to our industry.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you. Those are very, very surprising.
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  Speaker 3: You never know who's watching, who's looking, what influence you have.
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  Speaker 3: So to hear you say that, I say with gratitude,
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  Speaker 3: thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Now, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: So listen, I want to get into your background, because
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  Speaker 2: let's take us back.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit, mister Knowles when it comes to.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that you were born at a time of
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  Speaker 2: the pre civil rights movement in Alabama, and I just
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  Speaker 2: kind of want to know, like your story terms of
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  Speaker 2: what that was like for you and how you were
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  Speaker 2: able to become who you are today.
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  Speaker 3: So I was wanting eighteen fifty two so that due
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  Speaker 3: the math a little small town Gaston, Alabama. I understand you,
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  Speaker 3: No Huntsville, I understand you.
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  Speaker 4: No, thank you Oprah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but born in Gaston and my mother lived in
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  Speaker 3: a smaller town. Grew up in Marion, Alabama, and went
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  Speaker 3: to high school. Actually went Kreta King and Andrew Young's wife.
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  Speaker 3: So imagine these three ladies going to high school together
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  Speaker 3: and Mary and Alabama. Just like Correta, my mother took
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  Speaker 3: up the torch of desegregation. And when she moved to
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  Speaker 3: Gaston and married my dad. I never went to a
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  Speaker 3: black school. Now imagine that. So fifty two Elementary I
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  Speaker 3: would have been six years later in fifty eight Integrated Elementary,
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  Speaker 3: Integrated Litchfield Junior High, Gaston High, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.
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  Speaker 3: And so growing up in Gaston, there was a lot,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of challenges. I've been spit on, I've been
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  Speaker 3: electric pridate, you know, ran by the state troopers running
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  Speaker 3: after us, after doing boycouts, boycotts, all of that. That's
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  Speaker 3: how I grew up. I had a lot of trauma
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  Speaker 3: when I think about gas in Alabama and had to
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  Speaker 3: go to therapy for years for that trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Well, did you gotta go to therapy starting when as
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  Speaker 2: an adult or do you have to go through that
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  Speaker 2: through your childhood as an adult as an adult and
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  Speaker 2: the trauma that you experienced, did that show up a
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  Speaker 2: lot in your adulthood.
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  Speaker 3: I would say not a lot, but at some point
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  Speaker 3: I unraveled, had too much going on, and it showed
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  Speaker 3: up very very strongly then.
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  Speaker 2: And did therapy teach you how to sort of deal
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  Speaker 2: with that?
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  Speaker 4: Like? What was that process like for you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Therapy did. Because there's triggers, right, you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: things that trigger and trauma, and so I had to
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  Speaker 3: learn how to understand those triggers. I had to learn
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  Speaker 3: various how to Workaholism is a thing, just like alcoholism,
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  Speaker 3: the isms. So you know, all of it is about
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  Speaker 3: escaping from society, right, just escaping from the moment we
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  Speaker 3: use work, drugs, alcohol, whatever it could be. And so
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  Speaker 3: I had to understand that I had to understand the
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  Speaker 3: value of my worth and not let that little kid
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  Speaker 3: Matthew control sometimes my behavior.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating is you grew up, you know, with this
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  Speaker 2: horrific sort of experiences by being sped on and all
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  Speaker 2: the other stuff, but you were able to sort of
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  Speaker 2: as a man, enter a career, you know, working as Xerox,
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  Speaker 2: where you were, you know, a top executive there. How
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  Speaker 2: did that experience your childhood manifest to where you were
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  Speaker 2: still able to dominate an industry that at this point
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  Speaker 2: was it even in the music industry. But you were
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  Speaker 2: able to sort of be this executive at this company
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  Speaker 2: and do amazing sales during that time.
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  Speaker 3: I want to come back to that, because I listened
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  Speaker 3: very well. You said a word horrific. In my childhood,
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  Speaker 3: my childhood, as tough as it was, I had these
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  Speaker 3: amazing parents. My mom and dad were amazing black people.
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  Speaker 3: My mom made three dollars a day as a colored maid.
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  Speaker 3: She convinced that white woman to give her all her
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  Speaker 3: hand me down and on the weekends, my mom and
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  Speaker 3: her two best girlfriends, and I know this because I
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  Speaker 3: had to as they got older, I had to thread
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  Speaker 3: the needle for them. They would make these beautiful quilts, callers,
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  Speaker 3: these beautiful quilts. My dad made thirty dollars a week
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  Speaker 3: as a truck driver, and he would convince those white
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  Speaker 3: folks that own the produced company to keep that truck
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  Speaker 3: twenty four to seven, and he would tear down the
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  Speaker 3: old houses, sell the copper aluminum, all the wood, the medals.
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  Speaker 3: He would go because in Alabama, as you know, they
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  Speaker 3: sometimes abandoned their cars in the front yard if it
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  Speaker 3: didn't stop he would go buy a car for twenty
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  Speaker 3: five dollars and sell every part on it. So my
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  Speaker 3: parents as well as my grandparents were entrepreneurs, and I
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  Speaker 3: love that. They always gave me hope. They all always
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  Speaker 3: told me I could do anything I wanted to at length,
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  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to go back for a minute, rewind,
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  Speaker 3: and then now I answer your question about corporate America.
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  Speaker 3: You're get a CeNSE of me now right, Yeah, No.
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing before we even into that, you come
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  Speaker 2: from a family entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 4: So was that instilled in you as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely that, Sir Davis Whiskey, that's my grandfather, My grandfather,
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  Speaker 3: Dave Holk, Marion, Alabama. Two hundred acres of land. Let
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  Speaker 3: me tell you what my genius granddad did. He would
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  Speaker 3: partial off like fifty acres to the paper mill in
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  Speaker 3: this little town and they would come cut off the trees,
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  Speaker 3: clear the bush and they would lease the land from him,
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  Speaker 3: and then he would go behind them and farm. They
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  Speaker 3: would pay him to clear off the land. Genius. Genius.
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  Speaker 3: And at the same time it was a little creek
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  Speaker 3: that ran through his property that he became a moonshine distributor.
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  Speaker 3: I remember I was about twelve years old and there
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  Speaker 3: was a knock on the door when Saturday, these three
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  Speaker 3: white men and they knocked on the door and asked
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  Speaker 3: my grandmother, it's mister Hole here. So it was the
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  Speaker 3: first time I ever heard a white man called a
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  Speaker 3: black man. Mister. I mean, I'm so proud of my grandfather.
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  Speaker 3: You spent a lot of time with me. And on
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  Speaker 3: my dad's side, my grandmother, they lived next door to
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  Speaker 3: the best, the biggest club in that part of Alabama,
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  Speaker 3: and after one o'clock she would make these fish and
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  Speaker 3: chicken sandwiches and bootleg So you know, I had an
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  Speaker 3: entrepreneurship spirit on both sides of the family.
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  Speaker 4: That's amazing. So both I want to stay on certain
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  Speaker 4: Davis for a bit.
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  Speaker 2: So when that whiskey came about, was there a conversation
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  Speaker 2: that was had about honoring your grandfather in that way?
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  Speaker 3: And there was a conversation that was a conversation I
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  Speaker 3: I still think, uh, and hopefully Beyonce and I can
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  Speaker 3: go to Mary in Alabama. I hadn't been there a
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  Speaker 3: long time. Uh, just to experience that experience, that childhood
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  Speaker 3: uh uh that I had and I understand better her
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  Speaker 3: grandfather and grandmother.
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  Speaker 2: When you got to corporate America? Was that a industry
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  Speaker 2: that you wanted to get into?
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  Speaker 4: How did that come about?
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  Speaker 3: Cause as a kid, always wanted to be a businessman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know how we be a kid and and hey boy,
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  Speaker 3: what'd you gonna be when you grew up? A businessman?
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  Speaker 3: So I had mentors, uh, Rev and B. L. Walker.
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  Speaker 3: He was a minister. He was my godfather, a mentor.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I had my parents as mentors, and I always wanted
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  Speaker 3: to be a businessman. Didn't quite as a kid knew exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I just know when Reverend Walker would go down to
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  Speaker 3: the story had a suit on. I was like, Reven Walker,
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  Speaker 3: why you wear a suit just to go to the store.
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  Speaker 3: And he would tell me it was about perception. Me
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  Speaker 3: and Jena call it optics. It was about optics, and
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  Speaker 3: I just knew that's the life. I wanted to live.
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  Speaker 3: That type of life.
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  Speaker 4: All this xerox coming about?
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  Speaker 2: That? Was it some of you applied for or you know,
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  Speaker 2: dominating that world of.
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  Speaker 3: What year was that? It was nineteen eighty six, December
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  Speaker 3: sixth eighty six, Actually it was December sixth seventy six. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because I just graduated from Fisk and I had never
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  Speaker 3: been to Houston, and me and somebody frat brothers Omega
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  Speaker 3: sci Fi had been there the month before for the
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  Speaker 3: football game with Texas Southern, and I decided this is
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  Speaker 3: where I want to live. So without a job, I
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  Speaker 3: was working with the Bell System in Houston, and then
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  Speaker 3: you couldn't transfer, So without a job, I came to
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  Speaker 3: Houston and I worked with Pitney Bowls for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of months, and me and some of my friends and
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  Speaker 3: we were just you know, it used to be a
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  Speaker 3: happy hour. Friday night was a big deal in corporate America.
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  Speaker 3: And so maybe about ten guys, we're at a bar,
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  Speaker 3: just hanging out a happy hour, and this little short
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  Speaker 3: white boy comes up to me and says, can I
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  Speaker 3: speak with you for a second? And I'm like, what,
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  Speaker 3: I've been listening to you, guys. I've been sitting here
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  Speaker 3: listening for about an hour and I love hearing your leadership.
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  Speaker 3: You are exactly what we want at Xerox. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, right, okay, yeah, And then he showed
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  Speaker 3: me his card, he said human Resources. He said, can
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  Speaker 3: you meet me? This is Friday, Can you meet me
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  Speaker 3: at eight o'clock at my office. I was like, of course,
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  Speaker 3: that's how I got my job. You never know who's looking,
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  Speaker 3: never know who's listening.
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  Speaker 2: And let's go back to the optics thing, because you're
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  Speaker 2: just being yourself and somebody overheard you speaking and then
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  Speaker 2: offer you. Would you consider that to be the job
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  Speaker 2: of a lifetime. At that time in nineteen seventy six,
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  Speaker 2: you could.
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  Speaker 3: Get no better than IBM and Xerox. There was no better.
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  Speaker 3: And Xerox was ranked by Forbes repeatedly as the best
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  Speaker 3: corporation for blacks in America to live to work. Let
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  Speaker 3: me repeat that Xerox was ranked by Forges repeatedly to
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  Speaker 3: be the best place for blacks in corporate America to work.
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  Speaker 2: And what was your job exactly? Because it was doing sales,
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  Speaker 2: correct sales.
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  Speaker 3: And marketing. That branch was the number one branch in
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  Speaker 3: this country. So I had to be a trainee longer
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  Speaker 3: than usual. So I trained in another division, the engineering division,
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  Speaker 3: selling a micro fish reader printer. Did very well as
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  Speaker 3: a trainee. Then I got a territory selling copiers, was
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  Speaker 3: the top sales quarterly. And then one evening I'm at
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  Speaker 3: the office late and I hear a ticker tape machine
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  Speaker 3: imagine that takes you back, right, and it's just going
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  Speaker 3: off in the office and I go and I read
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  Speaker 3: and it says grade eleven, and I'm like grade eleven,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm on grade six. And I saw the salary
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  Speaker 3: and then I looked at it. I couldn't pronounce the word.
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  Speaker 3: It was zero radiography sales position. I went in the
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  Speaker 3: next day and I asked the branch manager could I
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  Speaker 3: interview for the role, And he kind of laughed, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you just got here. This is like the
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  Speaker 3: top f exelon of sales at Xerox. There's no way
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna get this job. But I think it be good,
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  Speaker 3: a good exercise for you, knows so. But what he
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  Speaker 3: didn't know is the the public library was two blocks over,
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  Speaker 3: and I went to the library every day I could
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  Speaker 3: and study up on breast cancer cause that w that's
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  Speaker 3: what it was. M zero radiography in the eighties was
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  Speaker 3: the leading modality for breast cancer detection. M So I
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  Speaker 3: I did my thing that I always do, research, research, research,
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  Speaker 3: So when I interviewed, everybody had been there longer than me.
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  Speaker 3: I was the only black then interviewed. But they talked
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  Speaker 3: about well, I've been here fifteen years and I went
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  Speaker 3: in talking about breast cancer and that impressed the sales
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  Speaker 3: manager that I was the only one that took the
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  Speaker 3: time to understand the modality. That's how I got the job.
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  Speaker 3: Mm mm m.
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  Speaker 2: And what was the yearly salary at that t time
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  Speaker 2: for you?
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  Speaker 3: I think the salary was around eighty five But forget
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  Speaker 3: that it was a commission ah.
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  Speaker 4: Because you had to like go and sell this device.
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  Speaker 3: I covered four states. I covered Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, five
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  Speaker 3: Louisiana in the third of Texas.
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  Speaker 4: So she's making money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we did good.
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  Speaker 4: You did good.
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  Speaker 3: We did good.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: So going back to that time, so here you are.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: You're a black man from Alabama.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: You are dominating in Texas at this time, and during
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: this whole thing, you obviously meet a woman named Celestine Bianza.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about how y'all met and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: where you were out in your life at the time.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I was still at xie Rox Medical and my roommate
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: graduated from law school and I threw him a party
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and she came with another fraternity brother. I thought they
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: were on a date, but it turned out as the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: evening went on, they weren't. And that's where I met.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Her, and you approached her and said, I am mister Knowles.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I approached her like she was holding my vinyl with
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: her finger prints like this, and that was excuse me,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: like please hold my vinyl like this, like I really
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: had a strong vinyl collection, Like I don't know, damn
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: finger prints all my vinyl. Like that's how it started.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Yep, mister Knowles. You asked the question, and I love
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: the answer. So she's I don't think her vinyl wrong.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: And your way of breaking the ice is correcting the
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: waves being held.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Even trying to break.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: You gonna make sure your vinyl.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I was trying to break ice. I just wanted my battel.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was really into my nyl collection.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: So what was her response to that?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Kind of looked at me crazy? What That's that's how
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: it started.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. So what was it
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: like in that in that early days of dating? Like
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: did you know at that time when you first met.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Mss Tina that this is my wife? I said, I
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: trying to see how long can I make? You should
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: have seen the look hell and damn brow.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: How happy people get to know your comedic side.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: You know, people think you're so serious.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I love I love the fact that you actually are jokester.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I have a joke that they don't now, if they don't.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Know before, they know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Now every night, Gina, we we crack. I have her
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: cracking up, man, just cracking.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you one thing that was really funny.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't see Tina because I have to pause because Tina, Gina.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I never put that together.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Make sure I say Tina, yes, Gina correct asking me
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: about Tina. Yes, all right, Okay, we got that right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: So I didn't see her really for almost seven or
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: eight months. I covered downtown selling copiers. Then I was,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: and she worked downtown. And there was Macy's where kind
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: of the black folks at lunchtime would congregate, and there
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: was a little coffee shop. It was a couple of places.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I saw it at the coffee shop, and I just
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: kind of looked in and kept walking. I saw her
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: at Macy's. I walked the opposite way because I'm like, okay,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: she stood me up right, Because I had asked to
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: take her to lunch the following week when I had
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: met her with the vinyl and I had written her
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: name on the shoe box B hyphen o, Z hyphen
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: say and say why b ounce say say that fast
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: ys say yeah yeah. So she told me she worked
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: at MasterCard, and I got all dressed up. The next
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Monday lunchtime, I'm at the receptionist asking for this lady
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: last named Beyonce, and there's no one that works there.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So I use my business card to then say that
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I'm a service representative. And while I'm here, I like
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: to check your copiers, and so she let me go
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: back to where the copiers were and then I asked, well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: is hell tenab? I said, they're like you know, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: so I walked away disappointed. Almost three months four months
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: past and we're downtown two or three o'clock in the afternoon.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: She's on one side of the light street on on
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the other side, and we're looking at each other. We
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: have to cross pass and then in the middle I
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, that is that person who stood
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: me up. And she was like, get out of the street.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you. I was waiting on you. I said, no,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you weren't wait on me. I was at MasterCard. She said, fool,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I told you Visa. Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: The fact that we get to talk about this, I
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: just love it so much. Okay, So you got the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: wrong merchant.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the wrong one. I got excited.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Okay. So then the coffee shop thing happened.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So you guys were able to communicate, hang out.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Obviously, you guys get married.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: When you look back on your life at the time,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: mister Knowles, was marriage something that you just thought, like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I'm successful, I'm a great job, I met this great woman.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Is this the next step for me in my life?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: At fifteen? You were thinking this when you follow me,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: this is what you were thinking. You were thinking about
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: my marriage and I was happy and ship like.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Come on, man, come on, man, this to know I
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: said today take by defense.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: He's like, because you know, there's there's there's there's there's
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: levels to this, there's levels to this, and like I
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: said to you earlier, this is your life.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Mister Knowles, I appreciate you for having this conversation with me.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I really do, really do.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: So what was your question?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I forgot that was.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, So when you got married, did you think at
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the time like that was just the right thing to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: do just based on like what we're taught during that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Era in our lives that okay, graduating.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: My brain did when you said when you got married,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I just immediately went to Jena, you want to stay
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: on this conversation?
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: No no, no, no no we could.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: No no no, we could.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Move on from Yeah, we'll move on from that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: So the thing for me, though, that I really wanted
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to get into, is you have this successful life for yourself,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a successful career for yourself. What made you though I
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: feel like, Hm, I see my child be this person
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: at the talent show who's doing great, but I have
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: this great job that is taking care of me and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: my family. What wasn't in your mind that said to yourself,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: maybe this is the risk that I should take because that,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to me, in my opinion, mister Knowles doesn't get talked
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: about enough because I know what it's like to leave
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: one career and tab it to another and have success
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: in it. But it's scary and it takes a lot
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of prayer, a lot of faith, a lot of belief.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: What was it at that time that you felt the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: need to have at leap of faith?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you know often and you'll probably be
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the first to get the interview right. Most articles say
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I left Xerox and went on with Beyonce career. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: left Xerox in nineteen eighty eight. The then president of
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Xerox Medical Systems went to another diagnostic imaging company, Phillips
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: was Picker International, which became Phillips. And I became the
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: first black in America to sell MRI and CT scanners
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty eight. And that's really important that we
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: get that right. That's a big damn deal that you
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: were selling a four million dollar piece of equipment that
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: it takes another two million to install in nineteen eighty eight.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And you've got to explain technology because his first generation
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: stayed there five six years, and then I went to
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson in one of their divisions called Codman
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: as a neurosurgical specialist. I don't want that to get
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: erased because that was those eight years was before Beyonce.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: So when I started working with Beyonce, I had twenty
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: years of corporate America experience in sales and marketing, being
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the number one sales rep in the world, so I
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: had this. I want people to know what I brought
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: to the music industry. And so here's this six seven
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: year old that's passionate about music. She's quiet, she always
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: listening to music cause music wasn't around a a house
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: all the time. And and she finally, uh is in
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: elementary school and decides she wants to compete in a
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: H A A A music contest and we say yes.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: And it's middle school kids, so we're saying she's gonna lose,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: you know, but let's make sure she she didn't you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: fall hard, uh that we hold her while she fall,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: but she didn't, uh I. And she got there and
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: sitting there for the event and said, hey, mom, dad,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I'm getting bored. When am I gonna go up and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: sing so I can get my trophy of my hundred dollars.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And we were like, how do you know you're gonna win?
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, you know they're older,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: you might not win this first time. She said, oh no,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna win. And when she got on that stage,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: you know, one of her albums is named Sasha Fears.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: This is why this story I'm telling you, because when
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: she stepped on that stage at eight nine years old,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: she became Sasha Fierce. Something happened once she got on
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: that stage, and that's when I knew, and my former
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: wife knew that something special was here, that she really
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: was passionate. And then the role of a parent, my
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: belief is not to say I want you to be
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: this when you grow up. I teach a lot of those.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I teach a lot of students who parents told them
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: they wanted to be this, a doctor attorney, but that
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't what they wanted to do. So we were never
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: that way. I was never that way, but we supported her.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Then you surround your child with the tools. So she
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: got in dance a true excelled in that, got her
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: vocal lessons. Was really passionate about that. Then one day,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: just out of nowhere, we owned a major hair salon
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: in Houston. These ladies came and said, no, that was
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: when these young groups were coming, sir, all those little
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: young kids were doing it that they wanted to form
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: a young girl group and they wanted Beyonce to be
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the lead of it, the lead singer of it. That's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: how it all came about.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And was this something that Because I want to get
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: this part of the story right, there were two managers
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: at the time from my understanding, you're being one of them,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and I believe miss and.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Tillman is not at this time, not at this so
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: that that was later.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: So when the sort of development of the group happened,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: was that solely your vision.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: It was another step, and that step was the they
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: were young. I'll call them girls, the Girls, they will
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: call it Girls Time Accident, Girl's Time. We producer from Sosilito, California,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Arnie Frager. He had this amazing top recording studio, record plant,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Prince Dinah, Ross, you name it, that's where everybody would go.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And he signed The Girl's Time to a production deal. Again,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: they were like ten eleven years old, and he got
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: them on Star Search, and as a dad, I went
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: because they thought they were gonna win for a month
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: and they got an extra hotel room just for the wardrobe,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and my job was just to help with the wardrobe.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: But then they go and compete against a forty year
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: old rock band and lose. And I had shared with
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: the managers that I thought it was the wrong song
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: because it had rap in it. I was like, these
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: fifty year old white men that are judging, they've never
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: heard rap. I researched and watched previous shows. I don't
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: think this is a good idea. I think you should
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: do this beautiful ballad and Beyonce, they weren't even leading
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the song. It wasn't about that, it was about winning.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I said, I think you should do this beautiful ballad. No, no,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: we know what we're doing. And they lost. Asked ed McMahon,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: what do a dad do? These kids are crying. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: don't know what do I do because all I used
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: to do was drop Beyonce off, go play basketball, pick
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: her up. And he said, for some reason, the folks
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that consistently win on Star Search go nowhere. It's the
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: one that lose. And you know the names, he started saying,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Boys to Men, Alna s, Marcet, Britney Spears, justin Timberlake.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I can go on and on and on. These people
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: lost on Star Search, and he said, for some reason,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: it's a defining moment. They go back and they change,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: they change the organization, they change members. He said, boys
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: and men, they changed the member that's not the same
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: group that was here, and they rededicate. And that's when
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I decided, why don't I transition. It's been twenty years.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: That was my goal why don't I transition to the
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: music industry. I went back to school because I believe
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: knowledge is power, and I went to every seminar that
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I could and began to build relationships. And by the way,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: my first artist that I got signed, MCA Records, was
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the number one urban record label. Everybody from Mary J. Blise,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the Puffy to you name it was there. Rapper in Houston.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Little Old is the first artist I ever got signed.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: That Destiny shod. Oh see I got it all wrong.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're here to get a right.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's right. There's this group called UGK.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: That's the first tour I ever did with Little Old
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: and UGK. We went to all the clubs, was a
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: fight every night. I had my Ugk's Pempcy's mother, My
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: West was the manager for UGK, and I had the
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: brief briefcase. They had a bag of weed, a bottle
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: of Crown Royal and a forty five and the money.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: That was my job to carry that briefcase and I
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: had a damn suit on. Everybody looking at me like
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I'm crazy. And then after about ten of those I
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: was like, I can't do this though, so y'all got
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: it all wrong. How I did got in it, y'all
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: got it all wrong and finally got it right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Well, that's off here because I do my research like
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: you did, so I'm glad we cleared that up when
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you made a decision to focus on the music industry
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and do your research. Did you officially quit your full
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: time job at the time or were you still balancing both?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: No, I officially quit my full time job. Transition. I
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: didn't quit. I always say you don't quit, you transition.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: So I transitioned out slowly as I'm going to school.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: But we had a million dollar business. I was also
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: co running Headliner's hair salon.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, do you remember how much money you had in
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: your bank account to make such a risk? Like it
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: was like no fear of Like I got the mortgage payments,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I got the property taxes, I got these kids in
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: private school.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: You know you have this.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: You lived in a nice, big house, you live in
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: a suburban area, you live in the gated community. So
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the sacrifice that you made for a dream. Mister knows
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: that at that time obviously wasn't happening.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: But you you saw something. Because I do.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Believe that God gives every one of us in vision
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that no one else can see.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: And that's fine, but only you can see it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But was there a moment where you look at your
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: account and say, all right, brother, you got maybe two
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: years to get this right, or are we gonna have
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to like make some other plans.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you said two traits in my with the DNA
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: of Achievers, ten traits of highly successful professional You just
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: said two of them risk taking and being a visionary.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And I hope I was both of those of those traits.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I had a vision for the girls, and I was
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: willing to take a risk to the point that almost
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: lost our house, came very very close getting forecloses because
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I was constantly spending money. I was sending packages out,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: going to these all these meetings around the country, putting
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: the girls in the studio. You know, I had to
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: finance all of that, you know, So you know that
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: was a risk I was willing to take. But also
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: it wasn't just the girls. I had another artists again,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: who I had then gotten signed to a record label.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: So it was not I never left corporate America, be clear.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Just to do Beyonce, I love corporate America. To start
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: a music company, music World entertainment, which ended up being
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: management as well as record label. That was always a goal.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be doing a one off. You
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: obviously don't know me if you think I'm just going
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: to do a one off kind of thing. And I
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: hope we talk about music World in this conversation.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, because I do want to get into the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: fact of the company and how.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Much you sold it for you're still part of it,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: all those.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Things, So that's definitely something I want to highlight too
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: in this conversation because to me, what I want to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of course highlight is the intentions behind these risks, because
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I do feel like nowadays everybody wants a success, but
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to take the sacrifices
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: that it takes to get there. And I think that
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you are the prime example of somebody who did it right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: And there's so many gems and lessons in your.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Story that I want to talk about because I know
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people be inspired by that. So
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I do want to get into
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: is the fact that you have this vision right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: And obviously it works, and we're going to get into.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: All of the accolades that you have a mask for yourself.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: But the one thing I've always wanted to ask you
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: because I to me, this is so specific, right in
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: terms of how you were able to have this vision
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: for this group. What made you say I'm going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: put you girls in high heels and jog and do
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: this sprint exercise?
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Because did you know at the.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Time that I see longevity and I see you young
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: women being the superstars that will become the biggest girl
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: group of all time.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: That's a number of questions and I'm gonna answer again.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I'm a research guy. I love to research, and I
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: believe how you practice is how you play because I'm
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: an athlete. I was a high school basketball star, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: played college basketball. How you practice is how you play.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to make sure that when Destiny's Child practiced,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: they didn't know the lights might go off, the sound
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: might drop, even down to the point that a heell
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: might break. So I wanted them to practice because this
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: is how they were going to have to play. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: when they were jogging and singing, that was for conditioning,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and all of those things become important. And so our
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: artist development has become you know, worldwide acclaim. You know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: artists a lot of artists have gone through our artists
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Development camp all the way down to media. You know
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: how you answer conversations, So we were that thorough in
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: our approach to the industry.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like when you enter the music industry
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: where you prepared for a lot of the racism that exists.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, now, let's do a deal and we make
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: this a documentary and I can give you like ten
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: more names and we interviewed it. No bullshit, like this
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: is feeling real documentary And I'm good with that. But
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: me and you're gonna have to own it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to do a documentary on you.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: We're doing it now.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is the precursor to it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, what was the question I ever got? I
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: got excited got.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Out when you enter the music industry because again, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make this about me, but I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: need you to know that I was not prepared for
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the racism that me in television had to experience, mister Knowles,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: until I got into it, and then I saw I
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: felt all these microaggressions.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And what I want to talk about with you is the.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Fact that you know, listen, I want to fast forward.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: To the highlight reel if I may.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Because we're going to do a documentary, so I want
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to fast forward to the highlight reel if I made,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: mister Knowles, it bothers me that you don't get the
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: props that you deserve.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Like your white counterparts do.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It bothers me that you never grace the cover of
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Variety magazine, the Hollywood Reporter, Rolling Stone, and no disrespect
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: to these people.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: But we've seen Clive Davis, Scooter bron.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: We saw Clyde Davis because obviously he had many Houston
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and obviously amazing artists under his tutelage.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: We saw Scooter.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Bron because listening he had Justin Bieber, Arianna Grande. We
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: see Chris Jenner and what she did with the Kardashians.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: What has always bothered me is the fact that you
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: literally have done the work to create the biggest selling
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: girl group of all time, the last girl group to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: have a number one hit on Billboard Hot one hundred
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: with the song Booty Delicious. Your daughter Beyonce was just
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: awarded the greatest pop star of the twenty first century.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: With all of that success, I.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Feel like you do not get excuse me, you do
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: not get the prophet you deserve and it bothers me.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you totally, and you know I
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: say this with a lot of gratitude. It's not only
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: what you just said. I mean most people don't realize.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: If you look at Billboard, they have every decade they
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: put out a special edition. So if you look at
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: the Billboard in twenty ten for the bill artists of
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: the decade two thousand and two thousand and nine, Beyonce
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine of the decade was the
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: number one female artist. See people think this successful. Beyonce
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: just happened. So I want to clear this up. Okay,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Beyonce was the number one artist of the decade in
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. At the same time, Destiny's Child
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: was the number one female group of the decade. Why
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: is this important? Billboard is probably the only way that
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: you get accurate information. This ain't height, this ain't social media.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: These are real sale those numbers. So I look at that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: It's extreme credibility on that. In that same edition, Destiny
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Shall was number eight overall, Beyonce was number seven overall,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and jay Z, who I didn't even know, was number
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: nine of the decade. From two thousand to two thousand
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: and nine. What people don't know is, along with the
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: help of B. T. Sunday Best, when I came up
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: with this idea of destiny shall each having their own
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: solo projects Michelle. Because of Michelle, I started music World
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Gospel and we partner with be T. Sunday Best. Most
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: people don't know that Leandre Johnson number one artists female
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: artist Gospel. We built that little small Music World the
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: number one gospel label in the world with three with
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Trinity F five to seven, Nita buying them, Brian Courtney Wilson.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I could go on and on and on, and at
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the same time I sell Music Well to a company
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: in London, Sanctuary, and we partner to form a record label.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: I'm the president of a whole division of seventy five employees.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Who's on that label Earth Wind and Fire. Last album
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: with Maurice Old Jay's we did two albums, Daylight, Soul,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Sunshine Anderson. I could go on and on on the
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: record label side. Then I bought five young men in
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: their late twenties early thirties and made each one of
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the millionaires. And they deserved it because they had some
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: of the top black artists in the world. We'll start
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: with Mary J. Blige about Kendu Isaac's He wasn't her
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: her husband at the time, he was her producer and manager.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: There's a young man out in La Troy Carter and
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: his business partner. Oh gosh, his dad's top basketball player.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: How could I think forget his day? Doctor? Oh, doctor
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: J doctor J Julius Irvins. He worked with Nelly, No,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: you're close. They worked with Floora Tree Eve and then
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: towards the end of the career Lady Gaga.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: And I remember many hours talking to Troy as he
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: was going on his first tour and he didn't understand
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: tour and explaining it to him.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And then there was a young man out of Saint
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Louis that managed Nelly and then met Guildry out of
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Atlanta managed Mary Mary and was by GM. There was
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: a reason why Nelly and Kelly did a song together.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why Lady Got Got and Beyonce did
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Telephone together. But people don't know this. People don't know
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: how it works. People really don't know, and they shouldn't
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: because this music industry is very complex.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: And all of that was just a strategy in terms
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: of how you saw things. So the fact that people
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: don't know that, is that your way of explaining why
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: they don't give you the covers. Do you think it's
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: because they don't know that? Or to be candid, do
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: you think because at the end of the day, you
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: were a black man who taught himself the music industry
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and you came into an industry, mister Knowles, and disrupted
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: it in a way that you felt like, I am
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: going to do this to protect not only my legacy
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: but any artists that I have on my label.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I think it's more because of the disruption I did.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I truly do, and I can't forget ever to leave
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Solange out of that whole equation because we I managed
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: and she was on the record label. But it was
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: because of the disruption. I think in the early beginnings
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: I played that role of being behind the scenes. But
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I think historically now people and to be clear, the
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: names you just name those magazines in the industry as
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: a whole, it's disruption. And if I was you started
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: it out, if I was a white Matthew knows, everyone
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: would know that. Everyone would know that what we've accomplished
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: and what I've accomplished in the music industry would be noted.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Does it bother you?
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah? It does because it's his story, not history, and
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: it's time that we don't allow his story. And it's
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: a time young people that get on social media and chatter,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: at least get facts. Chatter after you get factual of
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: data and then whatever your perspective is, I can live
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: with that, but don't be an idiot and chatter and
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, and it's honestly the main reason
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: why I wanted to sit down with you is because
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I need this young generation to understand that who they
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: enjoy now has a direct correlation with what you built.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Because it's not microwave success. And that's what our young
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: generation has to understand. If you look at all those
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: before and after in any area just talking music, I'm
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: talking sports, I'm talking corporate. These people put in the work,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: They put in the work, and I you know, Outliers
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: is one of my favorite books by Gladwell Brother Glackwell
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: up in Canada, brother, and he talks about and he
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: researched for years. To be great requires doing it ten
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: thousand hours. And when you look at Serena and Michael
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Jordan and Beyonce, a lot of other people, they put
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: in ten thousand hours, even in interviewing. That's why I'm
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: grateful to do well as a motivational public speaker because
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: I've done it ten thousand hours. That's why i can
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: sit in this interview and have fun and be comfortable
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: because I've done it ten thousand hours. I put in
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: the work, and so that's what I hope you are
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: people get out of this interview. Whatever their passion is.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Passion and work ethics go together. You just can't have
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: a passion. You can't have this million dollar idea, but
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: then you put in minimum wage type of work. I
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: don't go together million dollar idea, but minimum wage equivalent work.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: You have to work, have to become great at something.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Do you miss it? Do you miss do you miss
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the music industry?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: I missed the corporate I actually missed corporate America. And
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: I've thought many many times. If I had to do
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: it again and it was done a different way, and
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: I knew that Beyonce and Solange were good, I would
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: have never got into the music industry because I was
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: earmarked and being tracked. I would have become a president
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: of a fortune five hundred company. I'm sure of that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: And I literally I made a lot of money in music,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: but I would have made a lot more in corporate America.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: You think so, well, just do the math.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you are at that level, you are
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: making you know, ten fifteen million a year, and then
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: when you retire, you know, it's a whole different thing. Absolutely,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: no question.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised by that because and I'm gonna take on
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: surprised by it because.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: And I do mean this, and I hope you feel
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: the sincerity.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have Beyonce Somange
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Destiny's child.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't. That's my opinion.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I do believe this.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: I do believe this.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I get that there's tons of people who say Kim
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Kardashian them the Kardashians would be nothing about Chris Jenner.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: And I understand what that means based on this Mama
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: bear having to orchestrate people.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: She know, I think you were the only one.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: And I want this generation to know that, despite what
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: they may feel or whatever. And again I'm getting trouble
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: for saying this and my apologies in the band, I
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: strongly believe we wouldn't be.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Enjoying the music or even knowing who they are. But
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: it wasn't for you.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And that's why for me, a father's sacrifice to see
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: his kids' dreams comes true should never ever be relegated
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: to just like, oh what he was just there doing
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: a father does, and I don't believe in that. I
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: look at you and Joe Jackson, in my humble opinion,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I think you and Joe Jackson are the most disrespected
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: black men to ever exist in the music industry. And
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I strongly believe that because you two have to be
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a father and a man and what that presented itself
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: to this industry, which is why I feel sad that
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Joe Jackson's legacy in my opinion, and you don't have
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: to agree with this, obviously, you know what you want
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: to do. It hurts my soul that Joe Jackson's legacy
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: to me is the fact that people see him as, oh, well, you.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: You whip your kids.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: You whipped your kids, not really seeing the sacrifice this
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: black man made twenty years thirty years before your time.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And when I look at you and I see you
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: made the same sacrifice this and people just say, oh, whatever,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: you know, he did this, he did that, And it's like, do.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: You not understand what that means?
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Do you not understand what it means to dominate an
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: industry that isn't welcoming to someone who looks like you.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: You are tall, handsome, dark skinned black man, and you
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: came in And my favorite story is how you came
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: into the record label and you switch the lights back
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: and forth.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: So keep the lights on, and you said, I keep
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: the light on this.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like, stop playing with me.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Your approach may.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Not have been the virgin Mary right. Your approach to
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: getting things done may not have been the most Pollyannic
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: way of doing it, but let the records show is
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: because you also weren't welcomed into their world either.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Well, two things come to mind. There's a part of
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: me certainly agrees with the father part. I think in
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: all respect to mister Jackson, he came with a more
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: musical background than I did, so his approach was coming
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: from a musical standpoint. They will ban that's different than
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: a group just the whole ethos of it all. I
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: brought and go back to corporate. A lot out of
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: our success is my corporate macro approach. I'm so proud
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: of this showman. There's a number of people that I've
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: had the opportunity to in some way mentor so. The
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: president of Sony Music Publishing of John Platt, I have
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: so much respect for this young man who used to
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: fly down from Denver and talk to me and we
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: would just talk. And I saw this young I could
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: see in some people that they are star. You're a star.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I just met you. You're a star. I didn't know
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: what to respect. But John just told me last week.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: He said, I never really forget you gave me this
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: message on leadership, and you invited me to go Beyonce's
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: first performance at MTV. And you were there and you
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: were checking everything out, and they brought in the audience
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: and you got on the phone and you like talking
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: to her publicist. You were going off like, what is this?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: This ain't no damn b e T. Why all these
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: black people in the front row. I need some damn
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: white people in the front row. This is damn Beyonce's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: first time on MTV. What the hell is going on?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: And he was and then he said. I looked at
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: you and I was like and then I said, okay,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I fixed that. We gotta go. He was like, you're
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: not gonna stay. I said, I can't build being here
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: watching all the things Beyonce are doing. I gotta go
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: make shit happen. I was never that manager that had
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: the I was on Macro, I wasn't micro. So my
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: point is my approach was corporate. My approach was I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: knew the budget of Columbia Records marketing budget was let's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: say a million dollars. I needed to go to Lorel
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: and get Destiny Child, Kelly's Salons, Beyonce, they all did
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: things with Laurel get their music in the commercial or
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: get them in the commercial and as well as their music,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Laurel has a twenty five million dollar marketing budget. So
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: why would I accept the million dollars when I could
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: go out and bring in these strategic partners who had
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: twenty five million dollar budgets. That's what's a secret sauce.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Along with the talent and the passion of the ladies,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: along with having great songs, along with and I'm having
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: this next week. I'm planning right now my first masterclass
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: at Prairieview, the strategy for Destiny's Child. If you think
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: about imaging in nineteen ninety seven, it was TILC had
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: to the bag, baggy boots, WV, same thing, escape, same thing,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: and bam, here comes glamor and glitz by this little
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: young group. Nobody's understood bills, bills, bills say my name,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Booty lishes girls, girls, girls, independent woman, female empowerment. Everything
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: was about female empowerment. And that's what branding is, what
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: differentiates you and understanding brand development. That's what we did
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: at the industry. They were selling records, I was building brands.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Different approach.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: No, that's empowering.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: It's empowering because when you look at that era, it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: was all about that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: It's funniness and knows.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Iva was reading this article recently about the makings of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Independent Women and how Columba records her Part two. Then
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: they hire this production and obviously the beauty of you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: is you understood immediately the pop publishing and what that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: meant and really, you know, making sure that those girls
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: understood publishing and writing your own music. And one of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: my favorite stories from LaToya Luckett is when she talked about,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: you know, they had a day off and they were
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: teenage girls and they're playing and she told this a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: tank and she said she was like, where's Beyonce.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, she's Beyonce. It's in the car.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And she goes to the car and your daughter is
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: and she says, hot outside. She's in her car and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: she's writing music and she sacrificed playing to write music.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: And that, to me, I always thought about in terms
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: of like, I just felt.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Like your DNA is so much, so much into that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: So my question to you is do you you feel.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Like you have sacrificed your life to make other people's
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: dreams come true?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think a lot of us have sacrificeice of
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: black men and women. Again, now you know my background
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: growing up and those experiences that I had growing up,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of people's sacrifice. I see my parents' sacrifice.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I see my daughter's sacrifice for their kids. Now, so
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I think as leaders, the keyword is leadership. As if
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: you're going to be a leader, that's part of it.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: Part of being a leader is letting that water just
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: fall off of you. Part of being a leader is
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: being ethical. Leadership is a strong thing, and every team
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: needs a coach, So I absolutely that leadership role. I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: accepted that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Now, what do you feel like it's the one thing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: that the public got it wrong about you?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: How much I love Jena Avery knows No, I'm serious, Like,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I think the one thing people don't know is I'm
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: a cancer survivor. And six years now I went through
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: cancer and COVID at the same time. And actually that's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: when we bought this house. Actually and my you know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Jena and I are now married twelve years, so that
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: was halfway in in the first half. It's like any
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: new marriage. There's some ups and downs, some tough sides,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: but COVID and cancer our lives have been so amazing
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful for that. I'm so grateful that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: I have this wonderful woman that encourages me and we
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: laugh and smile and it's one hundred percent authentic, there's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: no bullshit. That's what most people don't know is how
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: happy I am. That's what they don't know.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And do you feel like your wife, Gina provides you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: with this peace and happiness that you're now able to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: at this time in your life. You're still working and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: you're still you know, motivational, speaking, and you're in London,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: you know, teaching, and you're doing all these things. But
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: is it nice that you have Gina, that you get
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: to sit back and look at this view and have
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: someone to enjoy all this with.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean it means the world to me. I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: would be quite lonely without it. We travel and around
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: each other probably ninety seven percent. I think sometimes you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: want me to. I think she like, give me a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: little space. But no, I'm extremely happy today and I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: hope that shows because it's authentic and it's real.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, No, I mean, listen, it is authentic.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: And even you know, when you talk about your cancer diagnosis,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know this. You were diagnosed
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: with breast cancer. Males male breast cancer, and I don't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: think people even understand that that's a real thing. Like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: did you know that prior to your diagnosis? I mean
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: obviously you you sold, you know, equipment that dealt with
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: cancerous situations, but did you were you're aware that male
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: breast cancer was even a thing.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I sold specifically mammography equipment, and so yet the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: answer is yes, we did training in the eighties when
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: we were the number one modality, we did training on
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: male breast cancer. Twenty two thousand men a year worldwide
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: are diagnosed with male breast care. Answer. But the more
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: important thing is through that experience, and I got a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: genetic test. There's something called BROCA too. Mutated. Half of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: the world, almost experts say, are mutated. That's why we
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: have so much disease. People are walking around with mutations
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: with their genes from their parents and grandparents minds. Is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: called BROCA two and for men, that mean the higher
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: risk for prostate cancer. My grandfather died of prostate Three
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: of my dad's brothers died of prostate His only living brother,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: ninety three, had prostate cancer. Overcame it. Breast cancer is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: I've done research. My grandmother on my mother's side sister
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: died of breast cancer. My mother's only sister died of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: breast cancer. Two of her three daughters died of breast cancer.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: So I've learned about early detection for both prostate one
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: and eight men in their lifetime will be diagnosed with
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: prostate cancer. Let me say that again. One in eight,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: seventy five percent greater risks for black men. One in
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: eight women will be diagnosed with breast cancer in their
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: lifetime higher risks for black women. So it's important for
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: me at this point in my life to share those things,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: and that gives me a lot of joy to be
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: on the forefront messaging how important it is for early
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: detection as well, and that brings peace and joy to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: me as well. Some days I just look out the window.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: Some days I just look out the window. That's where
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: my creativity comes from. It's just being still. I've lost
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: about forty pounds over the last five or six years.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: I exercise walk two miles, you know, three or four
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: times a day. I changed my diet and what I eat.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: All of that along with spirituality, along with friendship. My
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: best friend is my wife, all of that becomes important.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Take care of you so I love that because we
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: need you around, because we need you to teach the world.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: I don't plan on going nowhere.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah no, I got you the number.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure I get I get a picture
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: of everything you eat.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got some things to do.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: So before I wrap this up, I do I do
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: want to ask you this. When you look back on
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: your life, mister Knowles, and everything you have created, curated,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: managed to develop, I want to list some names, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I just want you to talk to the to me
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: into the world about your proudest moments of each of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: the people are able to do that. When you look
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: at your granddaughter Blue Ivy on stage and she's twelve
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: years old and she is just doing amazing things choreography
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: and lion king.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: And amazing stuff. When you look at Blue Ivy, what
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: do you what comes to mind?
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Proudest moment. I was in London the very first time
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: she danced. I take that back. It was the second
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: time she danced. I was in London and I went
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: backstage and I was like, I went backstage and I
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: was like, well, we'll Beyonce's where's Blue Ivy And she says, Oh,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: she's in there practicing. I was like, oh, okay, she's practicing. Yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: she's practicing. And I was like, she's going to dance again.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Because it was never meant to be this ongoing that
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: she was going to perform. It was a one off
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: and she had a young girl friend that travel and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: her parents travel and she Beyonce said, yeah, uh her
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: friend uh talked how bad she danced last night on
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: social media and so she being in there practicing that
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: was a problem moment for me that she took because
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: in life, failure and mistakes are opportunities, opportunity to grow
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: and get better. Again, it goes back to Star Search
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: and the people that lost and the the people that won,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: but the ones lost got better. And then to hear
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Blue about Blue Ivy that someone said something negative, negative,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: that that wasn't good. She didn't go and go write
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: post some negativity on social media. She went in practice.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: That was a problem moment. Hopefully you all understand that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: she didn't go post negative stuff. She went and practiced
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: because she needed to practice. And she understood that at
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: a young age that if I'm gonna get better, I
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: have to put in the work. So that's the Blue
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Libby problem.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Mama, your grandson Joel's jewels, jewels, that's my boy.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: So gush, what would be my proud moment with jewels?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: Man?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: I guess one time we were recently, we were in
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: New York and we had lunch and it was a
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: long lunch and it was a problem Mama to hear
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: him because of me. Papa G. He was like, Papa G,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy I got my bank account, I got
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: my credit cards, I'm saving all my receipts. I was like, okay, okay.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I was proud of him to see who's going into
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: man into a businessman. So that was a problem moment
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: for him.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Your twins, your twin grandchildren, Roomy and Sir.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: They're young. Yeah, so you know their proud moment has
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: yet to come, but just to watch them grow up.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Michelle Williams.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Michelle is the connector of why Destiny Charles stayed because
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Michelle has never been negative. Michelle has always been let's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: do this. Is that what you guys want to me,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. She has been a connector. She's never
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: had one negative comment or action as long as I've
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: known her, not one. And by the way, Michelle's on
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Broadway strategically, going back to when I put her on
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Aida again, people don't know these aren't happenstance stuff. I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: mean that was each one of those ladies were ill earmarked,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: earmarked by me of what the future could bring. Michelle
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: was Gospel, She's had four number one Gospel, and it
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: was then Broadway with Aida, then she went on Color Purple.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: These things weren't happenstances.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: You have the vision, yes, because Herd. The Word is
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: my jam.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: I love that song. I love the word. It's my favorite.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite wife. I like say yes, I like
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: she has this one call.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: I love the music Calatine Minutes.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: That's another that's a really good on fifteen minutes. But
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: heard the word does something to me.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: I love that song. DeAndre did that. I got to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: co write g.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that was a good one.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Kelly Rowland, Kelly is so proud to see what she's
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: doing in TV. But Kelly still has this has this
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: huge following. Kelly kind of then followed the plan one
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: hundred percent because Kelly earmarked to be the it girl
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: for international, for in Europe Australia. The good thing is
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: she got off script. But when it comes down to TV,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: she's getting a lot of work in London in Australia. Yes,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: and that's I had wanted Kelly to be pop and international,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: but some people got in her ear and convinced her different.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: But thankfully it's working to a benefit what she built
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: because Kelly platinum artists repeatedly in Australia, multi platinum and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: the UK and other parts of Europe.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Commander is Kelly's best song to me, David Greta like.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: That whole international play you did, mister Knowles Is it
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: will be studied. But I just want you to know.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: Commander is like and David's done an exceptional job. He's
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: he's been with her. They're great friends. Yeah, I'm very
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: proud of Kelly. Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: We saw you recently rer night with LaToya and Tavia
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: at the backstage at your daughter's concert. What was that
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: moment like for you?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: You guys have no clue. We had already had dinner
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: months before the whole thing. So, Jedi mind trick, Well,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: you talked well, I study you.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: You talked about your your class in Texas Southern.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: You taught your artist that Jedi that And it's funny
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: because I know this, that's your favorite word when it
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: because of the gotcha you're like, I got y'all, y'all
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: have been seen this coming, okay to the Jedi mind trick.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: So before that moment that we saw you already had
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: dinner months ago. Yeah okay, And what was all that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: like for you?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Miss it?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Know, we're gonna keep that private.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, We'll keep that private for sure when it comes
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: to your daughter.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Before I get to the prodest moment. I do want
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: to ask you this because I was an intern at
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: the View. This is back in two thousand and three, Crazy.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: And Love just came out and your daughter was performing
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Crazy and Love.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: See if I was a white man and did all
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: I've done, uh huh, all the times that my publicists
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: was trying to get me on the View, if I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: was a white man on the View, whooping, y'all would
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: have me on there.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why we're happy you on Reality for the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: King with Carlos King, because this is gonna change lives. Yeah,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: all of ours included, because I needed to.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: I wanna tell this story. I remember you were in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: the green room.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: And obviously your daughter's rehearsing, and I remember cause this
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: is back in the day y'all was a CD and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: you had the Dangerously in Love CD, and.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: Obviously you heard the song many many, many many times.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: But it was something.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: About the fact that we were playing in the green
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: room the song Daddy, and I am not your son,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: but you are the godfather of music. To me, mister Knowles,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: when you heard that song, I like till this day
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: it it does something to me when I hear it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: The sort of adoration and l that was spoken about you.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: When you heard that song for the first time, What
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: were you surprised by it?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: Meaning, did you know she was even working on it
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: writing it?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: No, I did not know, and I probably made one
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: of the biggest mistakes her father can make. When I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: heard it the first time, I was in work mode,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: and when I heard it, I gave feedback in work mode,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: which was a huge mistake, one that I've apologized to
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Beyonce for and since then. When I hear that song,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: I damn near cry. But when I heard the first
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: time it was she. I don't think it was she.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: She didn't play it. I'm trying to remember who played it.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: But I was in work mode and that was a mistake.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: But now when you hear you just yeah, it's it's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: extremely emotional. Yeah. But I'm not gonna bullshit you, man,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm What you see is what you get. You
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: ask a question, I'm gonna tell you the real about it.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: What is your problem's moment when you when you look
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: at your your daughter, Beyonce, now.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: That she's just a good person. I've always said that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: she's just genuinely a good person. If she never made music,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: uh was any industry. She's just a person that has
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: so much goodness inside of her. Uh that would be
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: as respectful to the gardener as she would to I
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: don't know the king. Uh, She's just that person.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about Solange.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm very proud that Godslunch just so creative,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: so as such an artist and am amazing songwriter. But
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm proud of Solange for two things. Solange
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: when she was a kid used to wear like stripes
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: pants and zig zag shirt. And I'll be like, what
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: the hell you got on, Solange? And she was like,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: I'm doing me. Solange in junior high got the students
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: to do a petition to fire the teacher because she
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: turned in a research project that was talk about a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: poet and why you like them? And the poet was
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: nas And the teacher said, a rapper is not a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: poet and Solons is not the one. I get a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: phone call the principal of we have a problem with notes.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Can you get down here.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: It's like seven thirty in the more God and he's
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: sitting with sistant principal and the teacher like, Solana, just
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: have petition to get the teacher fire because she said
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: she did the report right, and I was like, she's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: one hundred percent right.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: He is a poet. See that's the lunch. And when
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: I hear that song Cranes in the Sky, Remember I
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: talked about this period of life. I was going through things.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: Just those words you can't dance it away, you can't
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: shop it away, you can't drink it away, you can't
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: sex it away. That was very meaningful for me in
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: a period of my life. So that song has so
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: much meaning for me.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: What would you like your legacy to be like in
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: the history books?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: I say this all the time. I I don't want
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: to write my legacy. I want you and you to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: write my legacy. In a way. I think that's when
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: I hear others that say this is my legacy, that's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: their perspective, and I respect that. But for me, I
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: just think there's a degree of arrogance in I want
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: to write my legacy. I want others to write my
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: legacy and let that be about my body of work
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: and my impact, talk about my successes and failures. I'm
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: good with that because life hasn't been perfect for me,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: and I've learned a lot along the way. It's you know,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: I remember my first book tour and I was going
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  Speaker 3: in this hotel and I had all these boxes and books,
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  Speaker 3: and the billman was pushing the cart and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: young man, when am I getting to my room? Because
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  Speaker 3: the always was long, and then we turn and long
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  Speaker 3: and I never forget. He says, Doctor knows. It's not
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  Speaker 3: about the destination, It's about the journey. That's what I
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  Speaker 3: want my legacy to be about. Not my destination, but
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  Speaker 3: my journey.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I would like it to
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  Speaker 2: be from if your perspective, I think you are the
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  Speaker 2: greatest music manager to ever.
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  Speaker 4: Exists in the business.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 4: And I do mean that.
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  Speaker 2: I do mean that because you have talked about your successes,
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  Speaker 2: but you also have mentioned your failures. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it takes a great man, a great person, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: to acknowledge both, because I do believe in order for
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  Speaker 2: you to be great in anything that they they kind
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  Speaker 2: of go hand in hand, because you oftentimes learn more
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  Speaker 2: from your failures than your success.
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  Speaker 4: So I would like that to be it.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why I love this interviews because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I want this to go in the history books for people.
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  Speaker 4: To watch, you know, in classrooms.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I want your grandkids to one day look
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  Speaker 2: at this and really get to know their grandfather in
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  Speaker 2: a much deeper way, you know, to really just have
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  Speaker 2: something tangible to look at and say like, this is
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  Speaker 2: who my grandfather is or.
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  Speaker 4: Your great great great grandchildren.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I look at the family crest, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I will love for your picture to be as big
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  Speaker 2: as that artwork over there, so that when generations of
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  Speaker 2: the Knowles family, you know, come around and it's two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and fifty and they look at this black man
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  Speaker 2: and they say, well, who's that, Well, that's your you know,
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  Speaker 2: your great great great great great grandfather, Matthew Knows spelled
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  Speaker 2: with one team, okay, and he his sacrifice that he made.
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  Speaker 4: Allowed all of us to spread the wealth. So I
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  Speaker 4: would like that to be a legacy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that gift and just a mere
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  Speaker 3: fact that I could impact someone, that impact you when
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  Speaker 3: you were fifteen years old. It makes it all the
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  Speaker 3: trials and tribulations and hard work and gratitude. It makes
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  Speaker 3: it worthwhile for me. That really touched me about you
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  Speaker 3: to know that at fifteen years old. And it also
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  Speaker 3: tells me when we think people aren't watching, they're watching
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  Speaker 3: good or bad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My final question, mister Knowles, what happened to the Alicia
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  Speaker 2: Keith at Beyonce music video for for What a Love Song?
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  Speaker 4: Where is it? Mister Knowles?
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  Speaker 3: Which video?
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  Speaker 4: Mister don't tell I'm watch.
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  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: The music?
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  Speaker 3: What song?
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  Speaker 4: Say you love me? Said you love me?
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  Speaker 2: Put it in a love song, Put it in a
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  Speaker 2: love song, put it in a love song on Alicia
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  Speaker 2: Keys album.
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  Speaker 4: I want to say I shot in Brazil. We saw
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  Speaker 4: a little like glimpse of it.
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  Speaker 3: I get a phone call because I'm not a micromanager
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  Speaker 3: and they're in the projects hood ghetto in real and
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  Speaker 3: Sony hadn't paid the gangsters and they had to be
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: helicoptered out of there. A whole lot you don't know,
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  Speaker 3: young man. Yeah, it's a lot that people don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: At least listen we got the song.
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  Speaker 3: I don't rather everyone to say, no, that's really what happened.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, that's what nobody talked about.
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  Speaker 4: Matthews, ladies, and.
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  Speaker 3: No, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I make you brown.
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  Speaker 3: You made me very very and.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you know my sincerity.
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  Speaker 2: I mean what I said, I I don't want this
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  Speaker 2: world too. And when I say this, I'm not being
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: of course like dramatic. I can't have this world not
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: know your impact. I just I just I think. And
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: it took me to enter this business and to see
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: the roadblocks that I've had to endure.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, when people say that means because my.
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  Speaker 2: Language, and I'm like, oh, I'm get it.
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  Speaker 4: No, because he was like, you're not gonna play with me.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: You're gonna play with me and I or mine and
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: I have to I have to do that and make
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: sure that they're protected.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll be the bad guy in this situation and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: they will always be seen as the angels.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be that.
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  Speaker 2: It took me to enter this business for me to
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  Speaker 2: be like, now, I get it, I get it.
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  Speaker 4: I get it because being nice don't work, no, not
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 3: And you've got to have in this business your own
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: creative direction. I mean, there's been many things. When Beyonce
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: turned in her first.
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  Speaker 6: Album Crazy and Love, Baby Boy, Me Myself and I
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  Speaker 6: Angelsy and Love, it was another hit on there, uh,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: naughty Girl, Naughty Girl, and then that video.
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  Speaker 4: Which one you said baby boy?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Already it was crazy love, baby Boy, naughty girl, me
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  Speaker 2: myself and I.
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  Speaker 4: Things of Love, freakom dress. But that was day. No,
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  Speaker 4: it was one more that's baby, That's that's b day.
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  Speaker 3: It was no one that you showed me that.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: Hip hop wasn't hip hop star?
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  Speaker 3: What was the one that you showed me that you
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: said that he was going to show me let's be there.
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  Speaker 3: Well let's said those five. Yeah, Well, when you turn
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: those into Columbia Records, they rejected the album. We had
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: to have a meeting with attorneys and all kinds of stuff.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: They rejected the album. They said there was not one
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: hit on the album. They were sort of right. It
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: was five.
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  Speaker 4: I love it. I love it so much.
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  Speaker 3: But you have to have your own direction. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they didn't know these white boys, you know, and then
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  Speaker 3: you have so many yes people. As you learned in
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: the entertainment industry. They sit in meetings and they look
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: to see what the lead person and they go, oh
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: that's great. They we don't like nobody has their own opinion,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: you know. It's like, so we always had our own strategy.
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  Speaker 3: I mirrored Columbia Records. That's I had the record. That's
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: how I came with the out of management to records
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: because we had every department they had we had and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: we kind of shared responsibility. But anybody and everybody will
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  Speaker 3: tell you at those meetings at Columbia Records, I was
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: at the head of the table.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, you are the best in if y'all done, because
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  Speaker 2: I've never had anyone guide me.
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  Speaker 4: I did. I never hear a bigger journal mast.
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  Speaker 2: I never had the subject tell me this is the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: direction we're going.
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  Speaker 3: Without without how to say it, I said, let's rewind.
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