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Manson_s Final Phone Call_ What He Told Me Before He Died · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I'll always remember this one. Thanksgiving, I'm at my parents' house.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big family meal. You can picture it. There's
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  Speaker 1: kids running around, you know. I've loaded my plate. I
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  Speaker 1: have gravy, mashed potatoes, stuffing. It's the whole it's a
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. So I sit down and I have my
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  Speaker 1: napkin across my lap. I'm talking to my friends and family,
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  Speaker 1: and my phone rings. I look down and I see
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  Speaker 1: a familiar number. It's probably not a number that's familiar
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  Speaker 1: to everybody, but I recognize it as the California Department
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  Speaker 1: of Corrections. I have a call from an inmate. I
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  Speaker 1: glance at my plate and then at my family, who
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  Speaker 1: are already giving me the do't you dare take this look?
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  Speaker 1: They stare at me, and I explain, it's Charles Manson.
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  Speaker 2: You have a prepaid call from Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Get inmate.
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  Speaker 4: It a California State Prison, Corkoran, Corkoran, California. Let's call
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  Speaker 4: and were caelephone number.
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  Speaker 1: I don't wait for the reaction. I step out of
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  Speaker 1: the room. The phone's to my ear. Oh hell hello,
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  Speaker 1: His voice comes through, scratchy and confident. Hey how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? Hay and On, I'm James Buddy Day. This
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  Speaker 1: is unmarked. When a person becomes a synonym for evil,
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  Speaker 1: they stop being real, They become a monster, something you
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  Speaker 1: can't stop talking about and you can't look away from.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that's just fascinated me my whole career,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's why I was drawn to Charles
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  Speaker 1: Manson's story. Fifty years later, we're still talking about the
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: Manson family murders, still making TV shows, documentaries, writing books,
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  Speaker 1: even making podcasts. Maybe that says as much about him
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  Speaker 1: as it does about us.
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  Speaker 5: I can't get.
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  Speaker 6: For me.
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  Speaker 1: It started with a letter that I sent him. I
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  Speaker 1: told Manson that I was a documentary filmmaker. I gave
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  Speaker 1: him my real phone number, and I never thought he'd call,
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  Speaker 1: never in a million years. One evening, my phone rang.
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  Speaker 1: I still remember the first time Manson called me. I
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  Speaker 1: was at an Applebe's in Florida, eating chicken wings.
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  Speaker 7: Monday night.
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  Speaker 1: Football is playing on the TV. My phone rings. I
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  Speaker 1: recognize the number almost instantly. I can see it's from
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Corrections in California, and I just bolted
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  Speaker 1: outside to answer, and the waitress literally ran to the
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  Speaker 1: door trying to flag us down.
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  Speaker 8: It's like you kind of gotta get in the heads.
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  Speaker 1: Of The audio that you're hearing comes directly from the
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  Speaker 1: original prison phone recordings. It's raw and at times distored it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's exactly how it sounded when I first heard it.
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  Speaker 1: The transcript is available on our YouTube channel. I remember
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  Speaker 1: when I heard his voice that first time. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he has that characteristic Tennessee drawl. I thought that'd probably
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  Speaker 1: be the only time he would talk to me. I thought, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be a cool story to tell at
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  Speaker 1: parties or something like that. But he called me back
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  Speaker 1: the next day and the next day after that, and
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  Speaker 1: then we kept talking for the whole final year of
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  Speaker 1: his life. He died on November nineteenth, twenty seventeen, on
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday evening, from cancer. You know, sometimes what he
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  Speaker 1: called me, I'd feel dread, I'd feel scared, I'd feel excited.
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  Speaker 1: I had this range of emotions. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, I mean, I'm a journalist. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to hear his story in his own words. I remember
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  Speaker 1: telling him this and his response.
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  Speaker 2: Was blunt, Yeah, that was beautiful about telling my story,
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  Speaker 2: my story at all, all over the world A thousand times.
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  Speaker 9: Just how.
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  Speaker 2: Rome, what can you do?
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  Speaker 5: Can you give me a cell phone?
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  Speaker 8: Between you all?
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  Speaker 1: Manson asked me to get him a cell phone more
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  Speaker 1: than once. Now why he thought I could get him
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  Speaker 1: a legal contraband I don't know. I still don't know
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  Speaker 1: to this day. But I always played along because I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to keep him talking. And what followed was years
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  Speaker 1: of me getting to meet his friends, his supporters, his
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  Speaker 1: former cellmates, and the surviving members of his so called family.
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  Speaker 1: It was the women that really fascinated me. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to sit across from them, to talk to them, to
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  Speaker 1: hear from them in their own words, what happened. These
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  Speaker 1: people who are in the room when everything happened. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted the truth from them, and I feel, looking back
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  Speaker 1: on it ten years later, that I did get the truth.
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  Speaker 1: I feel that I know what happened in as close
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  Speaker 1: as any journalist can. The best place to begin the
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  Speaker 1: story is in nineteen sixty seven. Charles Manson is thirty
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  Speaker 1: two years old and he's finishing a federal sentence for
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  Speaker 1: check fraud at Terminal Island Prison in the Port of
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. On March twenty first, he walks out of
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  Speaker 1: the gates and this is the last time Manson will
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  Speaker 1: ever be a freeman. In fact, he told me about this.
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  Speaker 1: He said, when you walked out of prison, they call
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  Speaker 1: it a run.
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  Speaker 4: Get run, So I'm back.
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  Speaker 1: Manson's view of the world was completely skewed. He saw
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  Speaker 1: prison as his home. That's where things made sense. But
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven, he isn't the wild eyed, bearded
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  Speaker 1: cult leader that you picture when you hear the name.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet. There's no cult, there's no followers. It's just
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  Speaker 1: a drifter named Charlie. He's wandering Los Angeles. He's got
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  Speaker 1: no money, no prospects, clean shaven, he has that kind
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  Speaker 1: of aw shucks grin that southern drawl. He grew up
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  Speaker 1: in Kentucky and West Virginia, and at that time he's
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  Speaker 1: been arrested more than thirty times, mostly for moving stolen
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  Speaker 1: cars across state lines.
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  Speaker 8: Quite alive in the other world.
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  Speaker 1: A bit of forgery, some petty theft, two failed marriages,
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  Speaker 1: and two children he's lost contact with. But when Manson
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  Speaker 1: walks out of prison, he sees the world has changed.
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  Speaker 1: And this is something people really don't understand about Manson
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  Speaker 1: because in nineteen sixty seven, the Vietnam War is dominating
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  Speaker 1: the headlines. Most men his age are fighting overseas or
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  Speaker 1: they're hiding out in college. So the women, the women
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  Speaker 1: that he's finding, are exploring freedom. They're exploring sex and
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  Speaker 1: music and rebellion, and they're laying the seeds for what
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  Speaker 1: will become the Summer of love. So for the first
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  Speaker 1: time in his life, Manson fits in. You see, when
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  Speaker 1: Manson goes to prison in the fifties, he's a long
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  Speaker 1: hair drifter. He's mocked by the clean cut, square jawed
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  Speaker 1: ideal of the time. But when he gets out in
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  Speaker 1: the sixties, the world has completely changed. Suddenly, his long hair,
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  Speaker 1: his defiance, those counterculture views, they just fit. So he
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  Speaker 1: drifts between Hey at Ashbury and San Francisco into Panga
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  Speaker 1: Canyon in Los Angeles, chasing the counterculture wave that's sweeping
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  Speaker 1: the country. And this is where he meets the women
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  Speaker 1: who will become the Manson family.
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  Speaker 8: Right, they can't get away.
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  Speaker 2: Every one in.
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  Speaker 9: It might be.
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  Speaker 1: So the Manson family, in the beginning at least, is
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  Speaker 1: really Manson and three women. The first is Mary Brunner,
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  Speaker 1: a librarian he meets in San Francisco who they call
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  Speaker 1: Mother Mary or.
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  Speaker 4: Mary a woman name.
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  Speaker 1: Then he meets a runaway named Patricia Crenwinkle near Venice Beach.
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  Speaker 1: She adopts the name Katie, and finally he stumbles upon
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  Speaker 1: a red haired teenager named Lynette from while on Venice Beach.
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  Speaker 1: Lynette is literally contemplating killing herself when Manson just randomly
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  Speaker 1: walks up. They form this instant bond, and she becomes
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  Speaker 1: one of his most ardent supporters, later taking the name Squeaky.
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  Speaker 1: About those nicknames, everyone gets one, Squeaky, Sadie, Lulu, Gypsy, Darling.
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  Speaker 1: On the surface, it's symbolic. It's like shaving a soldier's
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  Speaker 1: head when he joins the army. It's a way to
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  Speaker 1: shed your past and becomes something new. And for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of nineteen sixty seven well into nineteen sixty eight,
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  Speaker 1: this small group they just drift through California, hitchhiking, squatting,
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  Speaker 1: singing for food. The women get pregnant, Squeaking Katie miscarry
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  Speaker 1: Mary gives birth to Manson's child in the back of
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  Speaker 1: a school bus. They've commdeered man the liter all baby,
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  Speaker 1: and over time the commune just grows. Words spread, More
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  Speaker 1: lost kids find their way to Charlie, and within a
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  Speaker 1: year they're living at Dennis Wilson's house, one of the
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  Speaker 1: founding members of the Beach Boys. This is always such
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  Speaker 1: a bizarre aspect to the Manson family that they crash
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  Speaker 1: with the Beach Boys for a significant period of time.
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  Speaker 1: Wilson simply becomes enamored with Charlie after a chance encounter
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  Speaker 1: with some of the women. The Beach Boys even go
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  Speaker 1: so far as to record one of Manson's songs. But
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  Speaker 1: after a few months, the family wears thin. They trash
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  Speaker 1: part of Dennis Wilson's mansion. They wreck it car. He
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  Speaker 1: ends up paying a small fortune for groceries and penicillin,
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  Speaker 1: and he kicks them out. This is a year before
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  Speaker 1: the murders, a year before the world will know their names,
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  Speaker 1: and they all relocate to a place called Spawn Ranch,
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  Speaker 1: a forgotten movie set on the edge of Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: Regional one, and it's here that the transformation begins. In
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  Speaker 1: less than twelve months, this group will go from a
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  Speaker 1: nameless commune to a cult that terrorizes the city and
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  Speaker 1: shocks the world. But right now, no one's watching. I've
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  Speaker 1: met many people who lived at Spawn Ranch that summer,
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  Speaker 1: and they all tell the same story. It was peaceful loving.
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  Speaker 1: They say this to a person, They say that they
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  Speaker 1: bonded in the isolation of that ranch. They rejected society's rules.
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  Speaker 1: There was no clocks, no books, no money, no structure.
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  Speaker 1: They scavenged for food from dumpsters, They grew vegetables, they
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  Speaker 1: smoked weed, they played music, they raised children. Even Manson
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  Speaker 1: remembered those days with affection, and that.
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  Speaker 2: At Roland we're all served, or there capable of.
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  Speaker 9: A server, a sleeve on the man, much more than a.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 1: Manson always talked in these riddles, but when the subject
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  Speaker 1: of the ranch came up, he was nostalgic. He was
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  Speaker 1: almost joyful, inasmuch as Manson, ever was joyful. But the
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  Speaker 1: way he said it, you could hear the devotion in
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  Speaker 1: his voice, like he believed that was kind of a paradise.
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  Speaker 1: But this piece has a short half life. On the ranch,
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  Speaker 1: isolation turns into something darker. When the world feels distant,
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to start seeing it as the enemy. That's
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  Speaker 1: how a commune turns into a cult. In fact, we
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  Speaker 1: know the night it begins. It all starts on July first,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. Fifty years later. The details of that
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  Speaker 1: night are foggy. But here's what we know. Manson had
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  Speaker 1: a right hand man named Charles tex WATSONIX. So he
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  Speaker 1: was a small town boy from Copeville, Texas, six' to,
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  Speaker 1: two good, looking. Athletic he's the kind of guy that
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  Speaker 1: could walk into any room and. BELONG i wrote Tex
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  Speaker 1: watson a number of letters and tried to engage with.
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  Speaker 1: Him he wouldn't speak with. Me but this is a
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four parole hearing in which you can hear tech,
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  Speaker 1: speak AND i think it actually it gives you a
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  Speaker 1: lot of insight into who he.
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  Speaker 3: Is the lead role that was the mail at the.
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  Speaker 3: Cron but at that TIME i did not consider myself a.
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  Speaker 3: LEADER i consider myself more of a follower Of Charles
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  Speaker 3: manson in carrying at his orders WHEN i was twenty
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  Speaker 3: three years, OLD i don't FEEL i had the leadership
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  Speaker 3: qualities to carry that.
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  Speaker 1: Out but by nineteen sixty, Nine text is strung out ON, lsd,
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  Speaker 1: methadrin speed and, cocaine and On july, first he rips
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  Speaker 1: off a drug dealer Named Bernard crow for twenty five
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of. DRUGS i Asked manson about, this
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  Speaker 1: and he says tex promised to deal some, dope took
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  Speaker 1: the money and ran pretty. Simple that same, Night Bernard
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  Speaker 1: crow calls spawn. Ranch he Gets manson on the, phone
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  Speaker 1: and he demands his money. Back the moment the call,
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  Speaker 1: ins fear spreads through the. Ranch they're convinced that what
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  Speaker 1: Whatever texas done is about to come crashing back on. Them,
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  Speaker 1: Now i've tracked down many of the people who were
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  Speaker 1: there that, night and they all remember the same, thing
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  Speaker 1: just absolute. Panic one of the women who was there
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  Speaker 1: was Named. Cappy she was a teenager at the. Time
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  Speaker 1: she's since passed, away BUT i spent hours talking to
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  Speaker 1: her on the, phone and this is how she described
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  Speaker 1: that exact.
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  Speaker 2: Nights he was worried about us getting.
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  Speaker 9: Killed we had.
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  Speaker 3: Babies there and all kinds of.
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  Speaker 8: Stuff and all these young, people, okay and they were
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  Speaker 8: trying to kill.
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  Speaker 1: Us one of the women told, me, quote we were
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  Speaker 1: up all. Night people thought the ranch was going to,
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  Speaker 1: burn that they were going to kill all the. Girls end.
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  Speaker 1: Quote now they means one thing to The manson family
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  Speaker 1: on this, Night it means The Black. Panthers manson believed
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: that the drug Dealer Bernard crowe was a member of
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  Speaker 1: The Black Panther party In Los angeles in nineteen sixty.
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  Speaker 1: Eight The panthers were one of the most militant organized
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  Speaker 1: forces of The Black power, movement confronting police brutality and
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  Speaker 1: racism in a city ready to. Explode, now Was Bernard
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  Speaker 1: crow really a Black. Panther there's no Evidence i've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen to confirm that he actually. Was but the key
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  Speaker 1: to remember here is that everyone at the ranch believed
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  Speaker 1: that he. Was this is what they told, me and
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: they began seeing The Black panthers as the. Enemy now
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  Speaker 1: a quick aside. Here the prosecution will later paint this
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  Speaker 1: night and these events as driven By manson's core ideological.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Racism and if the question is whether or Not manson
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: was a, racist well he absolutely. WAS i, mean he
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: talked about race. Frequently he'd grown up in The Ohio
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: river basin decades before civil, Rights he'd spent most of
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: his adult life segregated in. PRISON i, mean there's no
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  Speaker 1: question he was a. Racist but it wasn't because he
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: was a white supremacist or had some sort of underlying
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  Speaker 1: beliefs system that motivated. This this is just how he
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  Speaker 1: saw the. World so back To july, First manson takes
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  Speaker 1: the phone. Call the ranch is in a, panic And
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: manson makes the faithful decision to Confront Bernard crow for.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Himself manson and another man drive To crow's apartment In,
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  Speaker 1: hollywood and when they, Arrived texas long.
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  Speaker 4: Gone what happened was text me to deal with, them,
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  Speaker 4: evidently and then sucking bumed out on the.
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  Speaker 8: Deal we didn't get anything out of. It it had nothing
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  Speaker 8: to do with.
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  Speaker 4: Us it was all about tex trust.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Me the argument escalates And manson has brought this old
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: twenty two caliber revolver with. Him it looks like a Gun.
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  Speaker 1: Yosemite sam would carry around a long barreled revolver from
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  Speaker 1: an Old western or.
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  Speaker 4: Something Bernard crow didn't give him a. Chance he had
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  Speaker 4: to shoot him or he was going to get. Shot
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  Speaker 4: And Bernard crog just said you better shoot, me now do,
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  Speaker 4: it you, know And joy shot.
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  Speaker 1: Him but you, know the bullet rips Through crow's stomach
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  Speaker 1: and lodges in his, spine And crow collapses and then
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  Speaker 1: he plays dead And manson pass and he. Runs he
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  Speaker 1: goes all the way back to the. Ranch he's, terrified he's.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Paranoid he's convinced he's just murdered one of The Black. Panthers,
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  Speaker 1: now the irony of this whole situation is That crow actually,
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  Speaker 1: survives But manson won't know that for. Years he actually
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: won't know Until crow walks into trial to. Testify the
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  Speaker 1: paranoia in the group blooms and they're all looking To
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  Speaker 1: manson to save, them and in, Desperation manson brings in
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: protection in the form of a biker gang From Venice
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  Speaker 1: beach called The Straight. SATANS i uncovered AN lapd interview
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  Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty nine with the gang's former, President Al,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: springer and he actually remembers the deal That manson offered.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Him it was very simple protection for, favors.
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  Speaker 4: All the.
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  Speaker 6: Girls you want all the, girls, Says they're all.
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  Speaker 1: Yours so The satans take the deal and they move
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  Speaker 1: Into Spawn, ranch and the situation goes from bad to.
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  Speaker 1: Worse within a few, weeks another Of manson's people gets
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: tangled up into a second drug. Deal this time it's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: twenty one year Old Bobby.
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  Speaker 9: Bouselet you had a prepaid call From.
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  Speaker 2: Bobby an inmate aunt The California Medical.
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  Speaker 1: FACILITY i spoke To bobby for. Years in, Fact manson
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  Speaker 1: himself told me That bobby was a key to understanding the.
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  Speaker 1: Story to this, Day bobby is still incarcerated In, california
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  Speaker 1: despite being paroled twice in nineteen sixty. Nine he's a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: wanna be, actor want to be a, musician but everyone
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  Speaker 1: describes him the same, charismatic dark, hair dark, eyes. Ambitious,
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  Speaker 1: so As bobby tells, it When Bernard crow, shot he's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: not really paying attention to the ongoings of The manson.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Family he's not even living on the. Ranch but when
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: The Strait satans Accept charlie's, Offer bobby's drawn. In bobby
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: aspires to be a. Biker he's fixing up a motorcycle
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  Speaker 1: in his, garage so he takes the opportunity to hang
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  Speaker 1: around The. Satans As bobby tells, it the Straight satans
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  Speaker 1: ask him to get them one thousand dollars worth of.
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  Speaker 1: Mescaline bobby wants to impress, them so he turns to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: an old, friend his ex, roommate a guy Named Gary.
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  Speaker 1: Henman gary's a, musician a college, student and a part
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  Speaker 1: time drug. Dealer bobby gets the drugs From, gary he
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: hands them off and the next day The satans corner.
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  Speaker 1: Him they're furious and they claim the batch of mescaline was.
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  Speaker 1: Bad and they demand their money.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Back and you, know they don't blame me for a,
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  Speaker 4: Sucker and it Wasn't there wasn't any you, know bad
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  Speaker 4: drugs or didn't like. That it was, just you, KNOW
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  Speaker 4: i think they were trying to get the drugs for.
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  Speaker 1: Free but in nineteen sixty, nine he doesn't know. That
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  Speaker 1: he just wants to make things.
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  Speaker 4: RIGHT i figure was going to be no. Problem get
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: the money back and you, know come back and give
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: it to, them and it's going to be.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Done so On, Friday july twenty, Fifth bob in two
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: women head over To Gary hinman's. House with him Is,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: mary the first member of the group and the mother
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Of manson's, child and another woman Named Susan, atkins who
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they Call. Sadie at, first it's, calm small, talk, music
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a few, beers and Eventually bobby brings up the. MONEY
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: i tracked down an early statement That mary gave to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: investigators in nineteen sixty, nine and she, said, Quote bobby
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Told gary we need the. Money gary said he didn't have.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Any then jabber, jabber And bobby pulled out the. Gun
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the gun being a nine millimeter That bobby's brought with
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: him just in case the scene devolves into. Chaos whatever
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the plan was that, night it's long gone. Now now
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it's a, sudden clumsy fight in the. Kitchen bobby And
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: gary are slamming into. Cabinets they're each trying to get
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a hold of the. Gun the weapon fires, once but
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the bullet buries itself in a. Cabinet no one's. Hit
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the fight starts. Again gary even makes it to the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: front door at one, point screaming for, help and the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: women tackle him to the ground and pull him back.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Inside and while this is going, on at some point
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: one of the women call spawn ranch and they plead
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: For manson to come help, them but it Takes charlie
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a while to get, there and in that, time cooler heads.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Prevail gary is persuaded to sign over two old cars
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: he's got parked out. Front, combined they're worth maybe the thousand.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Dollars bobby. Oh's the women pack up to. Leave bobby
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: thinks it's, over and then there's a knock at the.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Door charlie walks in and he's. Furious he's holding this
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Vintage confederate sword that he was known to carry around the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Ranch gary opens the, door he, says Hi, charlie and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: without a, Word manson swings the. Sword the blade slices
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Across gary's. Face there's a five inch gash through his left.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Cheek it nearly severs his, Ear it nearly takes his
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: ear right. Off manson stares at him for a, moment
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and then he just turns and, leaves and just like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that whatever humanity is left in this room is.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: On that was WHY i had killed, him Because charlie
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: is flashed to, say and he left me with a,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: problem AND i just did how to get out of.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Him for the next two, Days bobby and the two
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: women they just stay with. Him they try to figure
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: out what to. Do gary keeps asking them to take
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: him to the, hospital but that's not an. Option the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: women try and sew his cheek shut with dental, floss
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: but it makes everything. Worse they take turns Watching gary
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: changing his. Bandages they cook for, Him mary goes out for.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Groceries at one, point it becomes a hostage situation that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: no one seems capable of, ending and by the second, Night,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: bobby sleep deprived and, unraveling he decides there's only one way.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: OUT i didn't know how to get away without getting killed.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Him it took me nearly a year of speaking To
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: bobby to get him to talk about this, night and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: he maintains that he doesn't actually remember Killing, gary just
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: everything leading up to. It according to the medical, examiner
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the victim had two stab wounds to the, chest each
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about an inch and a half. Long another wound ran
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: from behind the left ear across the, cheekbone cutting the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: ear in. Half no defensive wounds were found on the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: arms or. Hands, afterwards the women clean. Up they gather every,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: towel every, blanket, rag anything that could tie them to the.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: House they wipe down the. Surfaces they're, careful they pick
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: up their. Garbage but before they, Leave bobby writes Political
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: piggy on the. Wall beside, it he draws a black
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: panther potprint in. Blood WHEN i Ask, bobby he can't
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: remember physically drawing on the walls in, blood but he
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: does tell me that that is his. Intent he's trying
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to frame the black panthers for the, murder the same
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: black panthers that The Strait satans are allegedly protecting the ranch.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Against after the, murder the women return to spawn ranch
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And bobby just takes off About ten days, later On,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Wednesday august, sixth police find him about one hundred and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: seventy five miles from the ranch in a stolen White
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Fiat Station wagon belonging To Gary. Hinman bobby gives the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: police a lot of bad, answers and after they interrogate
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: him for about twenty, minutes he's arrested for. Murder the next, Day,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Thursday august, Seventh bobby is transferred back To Los, angeles
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and on the morning Of, Friday august, eighth he's. Arraigned
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they all. Denied back at the, ranch paranoia is at
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: an all time. High bobby's arrest spooks The Strait satans
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and they take. Off they go back To Venice, beach
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: where their clubhouse is. Located manson is convinced that the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: commune is once again, exposed vulnerable to, attack and on
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: top of, that if police can Tie bobby to The
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Gary hinman, Murder manson believes it's only a matter of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: time before they uncover what happened To Bernard. Crow in
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that fog of, fear, isolation and group, think a plan
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: begins to take. Shape they need to kill, again something
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: brutal enough to grab the cops attention and make it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: look like the murderous panthers are still out. There the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: logic is, crude but In manson's mind it's. Clear if
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the police think the real killers are still, active they'll
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: go easy On.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Bobby he was trying to send a message to, me you,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: know to make the police thinks stand the wrong.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Person It's august, eighth nineteen sixty, nine And text takes
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: three women and drives into The Hollywood. Hills all the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: women are dressed in, black barefoot and have buck. Knives,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: first There's Patricia crenwinkle Called. Katie you'll remember she was
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the second Of manson's early. Followers Susan, atkins who they Call.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Sadie she's the one who participated in The Gary hinman
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: murder and known for being one of the most volatile
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: members of the. Group and, finally There's Linda. KISSABIAN i
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: haven't even mentioned her name, yet and that's because she
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: only joined the group a few weeks, earlier and in
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: those weeks she's become very close With. Texts she will
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: go on to become the star witness for the prosecution Against.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Manson So tex ride shotgun and he Directs linda to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: an address On Cielo. Drive the house's previous tenant Was Terry,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: melcher a record producer who met The manson family Through
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Dennis wilson Of The Beach. Boys melcher would later testify
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that he And text became close friends and that he'd
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Brought text the property quote approximately six. Times but on
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the night Of august, eighth nineteen sixty, Nine Terry melcher
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is nowhere Near Ciello. Drive he's been gone for almost ten.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Months the house is now rented to film Director Roman
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: polanski and his Wife Sharon, tate but that Night polanski
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: is over he's prepping a movie In. London Sharon, tate
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: eight and a half months, pregnant is home with four
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: friends and a groundskeeper who lives in the guesthouse tucked
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: behind the main. Property when they, Arrive text and the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: women begin climbing a fence and begin walking up to the.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Property moments, later they see headlights behind the wheel is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: their first, victim a seventeen year old kid Named Steven,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: parrott who's just dropped by to sell the groundskeeper a clock.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Radio Wrong, Place Wrong. Time tex has the same twenty
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: two caliber revolver That manson used just weeks earlier in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The Bernard crow, shooting and he fires four. Times parent dies,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: instantly and the group moves towards the main. House they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: break in by cutting a screen door of an open.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Window text climbs. Inside he lets the others in through
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the front. Door on the, couch they surround a man
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: sleeping under a, Blanket Voichek, frakowski a longtime friend Of Rowan,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: polanski and a house. Gaset text orders them to spread,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: out and within minutes the four intruders have rounded up
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: everybody in the. House, fraikowski his Girlfriend Abigail, folger the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Same folger who stands to inherit The folger's coffee, fortune
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: along With Sharon, tate and a celebrity hairstylist who's also
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: her best, Friend Jay. Sebring they're all herded into the living,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: room bound with towels and. Ropes The manson family is.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Improvising at this. Point it's the middle of the. Night
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they don't recognize any of their. Prisoners they don't watch.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Movies they have no idea Who Sharon tate, is despite
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's incredibly. Famous at this, point they're
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: all in various stages of methamphetamine, high's acid, trips or
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: some combination of the. Two the level of drugs The
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: manson family is on at this point is hard to.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Imagine by his own, Admission text has been awake for
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: nearly thirty, days riding a NonStop meth. High katie And
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: sadie would later testify that they'd taken hundreds of acid
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: trips leading up to the. Murders. Hundreds they later say
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it took them, years years to come, down so they
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: are prepared or even really processing what they're about to.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Do in a nineteen seventy six prison, Interview sadie remembers this.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: MOMENT i remember when.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: We first went. In one of the people, said who
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: are you In? Texan i'm the devil And i'm here
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: to do the devil's.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Business so things are happening very. Quickly they loop a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: noose over the ceiling beam For Sharon. Tate text orders
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: them all to lie face, down and after that it's just.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Chaos according to the, Autopsy Sharon tate suffered multiple stab,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: wounds most concentrated across the chest and. Back the pattern
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and depth of the injuries pointed to a rapid and frenzied.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Assault she was eight months. Pregnant Jay, sebring found close to,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: her had been shot once and stabbed multiple. Times his
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: injuries showed signs of blunt force, trauma consistent with a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: struggle outside the. House Abigail folger's autopsy documented numerous stab,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: wounds blood, patterns and the location of her body indicated
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: she had fled into the, yard collapsing only after a sustained. Attack,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Nearby fraikowski showed extensive blunt force trauma in addition to
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: stab and gunshot. Wounds the wounds suggested a prolonged. Fight
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: he resisted until he was. Overwhelmed, together the autopsy findings
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: illustrated a chaotic and brutal, sequence multiple, attackers extreme, violence
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and a level of frenzy that went far beyond a targeted.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: KILLING i remember THAT i had ABSOLUTELY i could. HAVE
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: i felt. NOTHING i felt absolutely nothing for her as
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: she begged for her life for the last of.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Baby before, Leaving sadie dips a towel in blood and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: crouches by the front, door and for the second, time
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the family leaves a message written in, blood a single word,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: pig a callback to The Gary hindman. Murder the message
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is clear The Black, panthers the ones The manson family
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: are trying to blame for all this. Chaos they're still
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: on the. Loose by the Time Techs, Sadie, katie And
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: linda make their way back To Spawn, ranch it's Early saturday.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: MORNING a select few are told about what, happened and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: no doubt this Includes, manson though he'd never admit. It
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he never admitted it to, me And i've never read
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a credible source where he talked about knowing what happened that,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: night though rumors have persisted over the, years and people
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: have told me confidentially that they Believe manson went back
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to the house that, night surveyed the, carnage and staged
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the crime, scene though outside anecdonal, EVIDENCE i cannot prove.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That and going through THE lapd, ARCHIVES i found a
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine interview between prosecutors And leslie Van, houghton
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: who was one of The manson. Women, leslie like many
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of the other, women was a lost. Soul prior to Meeting,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: manson she had become pregnant as a teenager and had
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a black market. Abortion she contemplated suicide but found the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: women At Spawn ranch. Instead this is what she recalled
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: from the night after The charantate home.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Invasion the next, DAY i think the rest came back
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: and sit it they'd killed. Him he came in, granted
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: saying we killed. Him and THEN i asked her what
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: it was, like you, know.
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: She just said that it was really.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Weird the following, Night, Sunday august, tenth they go out.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Again this time they target a different, house a party
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: house owned by a man Named Harold, drue which is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: On Waverley drive in the Lapd arc. GIVES i found
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: an interview between prosecutors And Harold, true And harold describes
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: giving The manson family a map to his house a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: year before the.
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: DAUGHTERS i how did you get you have your phone
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: number to? Call, WELL i guess MAYBE i gave him a.
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: Map we had we, had we had there was four of.
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: Us really was a party, house which is a big
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: house and nice and so we had these little maps.
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: Trended out and we say we're having a party here
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: here it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Is this time a different mix piles into the. Car
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: we have the take killers Texts, Linda katie And, sadie
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: joined this time By charlie him, self another man who
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: does little more than tag along Aunt leslie Van. Houghton
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: when they get To harold's, house they see That harold's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: moved out about a year, earlier And manson himself makes
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the decision to walk across the lawn to the home
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Of leno and Rose Mary. Labyanca manson has no connection
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to these, People he's never met. Them lino is a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: successful grocery store. Executive he's a part time owner of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a supermarket chain Called Gateway. Markets he's a big, man mid,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: forties thick head of dark, hair businessman's, confidence also a,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: gambler known to keep large sums of cash around the.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: House rosemary is in her late, thirties elegant and, warm
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the co owner of a small boutique In. Hollywood she'd
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: been married, before had two, children both nearly, grown and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: together they lived a quiet, life love to. Entertain manson
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: enters The lobbyanca house With. Tex they break in through
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a back. Door they tie up the sleeping. Couple they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: tell them not to. Panic manson tells them it's just
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a robbery and they should stay, calm and they returned
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to the car in about five to ten.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: Minutes jolie.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: And he said EVERYTHING'S i thought everything, okay and you
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: think it's a, robbery and just to tie it, up
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: just go on. IN i got their. Wallets they's sure to.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: Robbery just tell.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Him everything's now by all, Accounts manson drives, away leaving
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Text katie And leslie Van houghten. Behind once, inside the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: scene begins to unfold much like the night. Before leslie
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Takes rosemary into the, bedroom improvising restraints with a pillowcase
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and a lamp. Cord leno is later found the same.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Way his head is covered a cord around his. Neck
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the autopsy report tells us That leno dies, first stabbed
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: with his own kitchen knives while lying flat on his.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Back twenty six stab wounds in, total twelve to the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: neck and, torso plus multiple additional puncture wounds to the.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Abdomen rosemary fights. Back evidence suggests that she struggles violently
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: defensive wounds on her hands and, arms bruising consistent with
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: restraint around her neck from the lamp cord in. Pillowcase
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: forty one stab wounds in, total most concentrated on our
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: back and lowered.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: TORSO i went back in the bedroom AND i saw
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: the black woman laying down and expanded me the knife
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: and you know said, okay you, know get to.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It once the couple is, dead they continue with their
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: pattern of leaving messages in the victim's. Blood words like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: rise and death to pigs appear in different, rooms matching
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the style and intent of the night. Before At Cielo,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: drive On Lino labianca's, body the word war is carved
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: into his. Abdomen the cuts are deliberate and post, mortem
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: an act that investigators later describe as both symbolic and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: meant to. Mislead these stage messages become the crucial link
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: between the three crime. Scenes it reinforces the idea that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the same group is responsible for all of the murders
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: The Black. Panthers at the same, Time Man jensen is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: In Venice, beach heading straight towards The Strait satan's clubhouse
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: At pacific And Eighteenth, avenue a block from the Sand
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: why in all Likelihood manson takes whatever money he's stolen
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: from The, lobbyancas pays off The, satans restores, protection thinks
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he's Buying bobby a little. Silence on the morning Of august,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: ninth the bodies Of Sharon tate her three house guests
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: And Stephen parrin are found strewn across the property On Siett.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Drive the resulting news coverage and investigation Sends Los angeles
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: into a full blown. Panic the murder consumes the news,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: cycle gun sales, spike and celebrities go into, hiding believing
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: That Sharon tate has been murdered as part of a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: bizarre religious ritual targeting famous. People it sounds crazy, now
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: but at the, time up Until manson was, captured that
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is what they. Believed Frank sinatra himself went into. Hiding,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: meanwhile The manson family scatters From Spawn, ranch though not
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: before killing a ranch hand Whom manson thought was a police.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Informant that one was the most straightforward of the. Murders
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: they believe the man is a. Snitch nearly a decade,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: later in nineteen seventy, seven the body Of Donald Shorty
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: shay is recovered in a shallow grave roughly one hundred
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: feet down an embankment Below Spawn. Ranch the autopsy findings
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: show the victim had been stabbed in the side before
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: his body was placed into the. Grave, it's in, fact
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the only one of the Murders manson directly participates. In
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they bury him and his body's later recovered in the nineteen.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Eighties text goes back to life as. Normal remember this
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: is the guy that led the murder, parties the guy
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that wielded the. Knife he goes back to, McKinney texas
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to visit his. Family he goes on vacation In mexico And,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: hawaii never mentions a word to anybody about his experiences
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: With manson or the. Group, katie who is an integral
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: member of both The Tatan LaBianca, murders goes back to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: her childhood home In, Mobile. Alabama she takes a, job
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: never says a word to. Anyone, Likewise Linda kasabian goes
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: back To New hampshire And leslie Van houghten goes back
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to living with her parents In Los. Angeles But manson
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And sadie they get picked up by police for an
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: unrelated vandalism charge and Death, valley along with a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of members of the. Group this is about six months
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  Speaker 1: after the, murders and by this time police are nowhere
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  Speaker 1: near to solving the. Case manson isn't on their, Radar
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  Speaker 1: he's not even close to their. Radar in, fact The
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Gary hinman murder even goes to.
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  Speaker 4: Trial it was just a, quiet little little trial In Santa.
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  Speaker 4: Monica the jury was hung eight to four and so
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  Speaker 4: it was declared that this trial because of that even you,
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  Speaker 4: know AND i didn't even testify because the case was
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  Speaker 4: really very.
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  Speaker 1: Weak there's no mention Of manson or the family Or Sharon, tate,
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  Speaker 1: Nothing bobby's Thinking manson's plan has, worked and that's When
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  Speaker 1: sadie randomly. Confesses So Susan atkins was housed in the
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  Speaker 1: same cell block as a call girl Named Virginia, graham
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  Speaker 1: and we were actually able to track her down living
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  Speaker 1: in a retirement home In, Phoenix. Arizona she was incredibly
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  Speaker 1: gracious with her, time and we got her first hand
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  Speaker 1: account of this.
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  Speaker 10: Moment she plopped herself down and she sat on the,
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  Speaker 10: bunk and we started, talking and she presumed to tell
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  Speaker 10: me how stupid the police were.
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  Speaker 1: And they were.
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  Speaker 10: Dumb AND i certainly do remember saying to her that
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  Speaker 10: she talked too, much as she should keep her mouth.
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  Speaker 10: Shut and she looked at me and she said to,
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  Speaker 10: ME i don't worry about. That you have kind brown,
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  Speaker 10: eyes AND i KNOW i can talk to you. Well
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  Speaker 10: ever since, Then i've often wondered about my kind brown.
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  Speaker 10: Eyes but, anyway she said to, me you know those
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  Speaker 10: murders Are Bennett, Canyon and for a MOMENT i, hesitated
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  Speaker 10: BUT i did say Bennettet, canyon and she said. Yes
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  Speaker 10: and THEN i realized possibly what she was referring. To
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  Speaker 10: and she, says you know who did, it don't? You
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  Speaker 10: AND i said. No she, said coldest. Candy you're looking at, her.
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  Speaker 4: And that was.
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  Speaker 1: It virginia tips off the. Police manson is already in,
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  Speaker 1: Prison the others are arrested at their, homes and the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: trial of the century, ensues prosecutors never once coming close
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  Speaker 1: to putting it all. Together, instead the trial is dominated
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  Speaker 1: by headlines about The Beatles' White album and How manson
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  Speaker 1: aspired to be a rock star and has magical. POWERS
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  Speaker 1: i have boxes and boxes and boxes of the trial
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  Speaker 1: transcripts at, home and they're a crazy. Read in, FACT
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  Speaker 1: i have a great quote here from the closing arguments
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  Speaker 1: quote the family was nothing more than a closely knit
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  Speaker 1: band of vagabond robots who are slavishly obedient to one,
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  Speaker 1: man and one man, only their, master their, leader their,
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  Speaker 1: God Charles. Manson within his, domain his authority and power were.
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  Speaker 1: Unlimited he was the doctoral, maharajah if you, will of
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a tribe of boot licking slaves who are only happy
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  Speaker 1: to do his bidding for. Him this is how they
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: spoke About manson at the. Trial at the same, Time
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  Speaker 1: manson and his followers act outrageously during the. Trial they hold,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: vigils they shave their, heads they're singing and, chanting giving
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  Speaker 1: bizarre interviews to anyone will stick a camera in their.
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  Speaker 1: Face but that's how a man gets turned into a.
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  Speaker 5: Monster and maybe you don't have no power because you
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  Speaker 5: don't know of.
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  Speaker 8: Media the. Media that's the power of the.
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  Speaker 2: Press the power of the press is.
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  Speaker 6: The power in.
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  Speaker 1: Reality WHEN i Met, MANSON i realized he was little
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: more than a clever, convict someone who'd learned to survive
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  Speaker 1: by reading, people by manipulating his, surroundings by reflecting back
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  Speaker 1: to people what they brought to.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: Him on looking, forest damn, Me i've always been by myself.
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  Speaker 8: Alone that why nobody decided against me.
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  Speaker 1: Alone he wasn't a prophet or a puppet. Master he
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: was a man shaped by a brutal, upbringing well suited
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to a chaotic moment In american, history and through a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: series of, events he was recast as the character Of,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: evil the devil, incarnate and as his legend, Grew manson
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: became kind of a cultural, icon an idol for white disaffected.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Men the swastika carved in his forehead wasn't very. Subtle
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: it was a symbol that, Said i'll be whoever you
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  Speaker 1: want me to.
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  Speaker 2: Be everybody'll kill.
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  Speaker 8: You what you think about being accord to do what
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  Speaker 8: they want to use.
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  Speaker 1: For a killer, hippie the anti establishment. Outlaw most of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: it wasn't, true but it didn't matter To. Manson he
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was willing to wear any, mask adopt any myth as
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: long as it made him larger than. Life to, him
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  Speaker 1: the only truth that mattered was his own. Reflection if
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the world saw him as a cult, leader a, monster a,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: god well that was their, trip not. His if you
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• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the last Interview Robert picton ever gave before he. Died
• 45:05
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