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Apocalypse World 3E Is On The Way!: Ep. 175 · Sessions Canceled

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  The GM got lost deep in the sauce going through Reddit AM as
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  and bullying game designers and selling that their game was bad
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  and they should be fired and their life is bad.
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  So we gave him all a stern talking to and sessions
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  cancelled till he could get his shit together.
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  It was by the way, I gave the stern talking to and that stern
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  talking to violence. Yeah, Isaiah.
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  Isaiah beat his ass. Actually, he's a He's not in a
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  good spot. Look, I am I we.
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  I'm tired of people shitting on the person who's not whose fault
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  it ain't. I'm ready to start some
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  vigilante violence right now. So.
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  I'm going full Batman. Yeah, I'm in like absolute
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  Batman. Absolute bat.
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  Hey, yo, hey, that's crazy. You see, he dropped a building
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  on Bain. It was very funny.
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  I didn't see that, but I saw him killing all of the Nazi guys so
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  good, and then being like, then the one guy being like, but I
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  thought, you don't kill humans. He's like, you're not humans,
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  you're roaches. I was like, hey yo, Batman said.
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  I'll give a fuck that has similar energy to the Hammer of
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  Justice is unisex. You wouldn't hit a woman.
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  Sorry doll. What is it?
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  Sorry man, Face the Hammer of Justice is unisex.
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  Is unisex. It's like you wouldn't hit a
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  woman, would you, Batman? I'm an equal opportunity crime
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  fighter. Yeah.
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  We have Batman pay from the vault.
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  Batman really just had that dog. Some of the quotes for that show
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  are diabolical. Amazing.
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  I learned to astral project from Tibetan monks.
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  Yeah. How did you do that bruise?
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  Yeah. What?
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  Also, wait, how are you still alive?
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  I just learned to hold my breath from Tibetan monks.
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  You're like, I buried you alive. What?
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  Yeah, I like that. That.
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  I mean, I mean, here's the thing that sounds ridiculous, but that
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  kind of was a thing back in the day.
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  Where like, you know, white authors would just be like, I
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  don't know, ancient Tibetan Buddhism as like an excuse and
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  you're like, that's not what it doesn't mean anything.
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  And like, that's a, that's a really old thing for Batman.
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  Just like I went to Tibet and learned some crazy fucking
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  magic. But yeah.
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  That's what I mean. Like back in the day they
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  actually used to do that kind of shit, even though it makes no
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  sense and it's just kind of vaguely oriental racism.
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  One of my favorite things in Batman, Brave and the Bold is
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  when he's fighting Gentleman Ghost, he's like, you can't
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  punch a spirit Batman. And he's like, well, it's a good
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  thing I brought these ants. Metal knuckle dusters, isn't it?
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  What? A good thing I have exactly what
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  I need. Magic ghost punching brass
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  knuckles and he pulled out the bat shaped brass nasties.
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  I mean. It works.
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  I like that he had to keep the the logic running that he's like
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  no, I have to literally punch the ghost.
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  Yeah, yeah. There wasn't like an alternative
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  to that place. No, it wasn't.
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  No, not like a not like an NF metal Cortana or like Batarangs.
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  It specifically had to be brass. Hands yeah, I'm going to beat
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  the dog shit out of this ghost so, you know that's a thing
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  anyway, we're we're we're back in black, don't you know?
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  And yeah, I, we have something that I that I'm very excited to
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  talk about. I got my, I got my.
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  My Jimmy's rustled, my Willy's moistened.
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  No, that's not. That's not Nope.
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  Just going to ignore that I said that one.
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  No, it's too late. It's too late.
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  It's on the air. It's on the air forever.
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  It's on the air. It is.
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  It's true. But however the kids say
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  excited, my Rizzler is doing tricks on it.
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  I don't know. I don't know what they say.
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  My my my skippity is toileting freshly.
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  I don't. Apparently they they cut the the
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  studio that agreed to make that movie like stole all the rights
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  from the series creator. I don't know how they did that,
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  but they did for Skippity Toilet, yeah.
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  That's crazy. What?
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  Yeah, I don't know how they pulled that off, but apparently
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  like he's been completely shut out of the project and it's his
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  IP. That's fucked up, dude.
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  They may have exploded the legal, the legal loophole that
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  he's using Gmod assets. So it's not entirely his IP,
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  but. Probably, yeah.
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  That's a good guess. Anyway, we are talking about a
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  thing I'm very excited about, which is to say Apocalypse World
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  Third Edition is on the way. Baby.
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  The Kickstarter is up and funded in like 18 minutes.
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  I don't know 3. Yep, I'm on the Kickstarter
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  right now. It's 18 minutes.
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  Oh, you're right. It funded in 18 minutes, which
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  now granted, is not that crazy 'cause they only asked for
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  18,000, which is like, not a lot, but they're currently
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  sitting at 161,000. So they've busted every stretch
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  goal and are a little bit over what they asked for with 23 days
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  to go on the Kickstarter. Oh my God.
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  So yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently Apocalypse World 1st
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  edition, or was it first or second?
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  I think I saw somewhere that Vincent Baker said, I think it
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  was first edition busted 150,000.
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  That was, it's like that was the highest.
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  Oh, wow. So they've already busted,
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  busted past that. So that's good.
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  And quite frankly, I can't say I'm particularly surprised
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  because, you know, fucking the boys are back in town with this
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  one. Yeah, yeah, fucking so it's,
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  it's happening. We're we just, we have obviously
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  the game's not out yet as of recording, but we have quite a
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  lot of preview information in the Kickstarter to look over.
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  Honestly, more than I was expecting.
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  So that's what we're doing before we do though, as always,
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  if you would like to hit follow or subscribe on your platform of
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  choice, that'd be real nice, please and thank you.
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  And if you're feeling especially generous and you'd like to leave
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  a little donation, the link is in the description now.
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  So I, I have, I have a light. Well, I guess I, I'm going to
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  explain kind of what, what this is, just in case some people
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  might be a little confused because I, I have mentioned, and
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  I don't know if you remember this or not, Isaiah, I've
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  mentioned playing this version of Apocalypse World before.
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  And some people may have heard of Apocalypse World burned over
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  already as a thing. And so they might be like, why
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  is there a Kickstarter for a thing that already exists?
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  So just to explain the whole thing, I mean, I don't know if
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  you remember, but the the campaign that I was a player in
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  like however many years ago at this point, I don't know, like 4
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  years ago, I want to say that was Apocalypse World burned over
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  and. That's the one where they
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  removed the sex moves, right? Yeah, so essentially that's the
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  whole, this is the whole conversation here.
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  So Apocalypse World Burned over originally was a Zine that
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  Vincent Baker, the creator put out himself and was and for
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  those who don't know, Azine is like a little it's kind of an
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  outdated phrase, but that's what he calls it.
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  But it's it's a basically it's a hack book for for regular
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  apocalypse Rd. So he put out this like little
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  mini supplement hack book thing called burned over.
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  And the point of Burned Over was to basically make Apocalypse
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  World a little bit more PG13, because the base game is very
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  much R rated. It uses harsh language, it's
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  written in a very crass way. It's very like, it's almost a
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  little combative with the reader.
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  A little bit. Yeah, on purpose, yeah.
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  And so burned over was like APG 13 version of the game.
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  And the reason, if I remember correctly, and I forget where I
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  saw this, it might have actually been in the Reddit AMA that
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  we're going to talk about. But the reason that he made
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  burned over was to play Apocalypse World with his kids
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  when they were younger and not have to worry about, you know,
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  sex moves and things and moves like not to be fucked with.
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  And you know, characters like the Skinner having very
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  questionable like sexual seduction type moves and stuff
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  like, you know, shit like that. So to play with their kids, they
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  made this version Burned Over. And then they're like, well,
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  some people might like the idea of APG 13 kind of styled
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  Apocalypse World. So they put it out as a hack
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  book. So the original Burned Over does
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  not work on its own. It is not a stand alone game.
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  It is a hack of Apocalypse World second edition.
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  So like you need the base game to play Burned over all these
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  years later, apparently more or less Vincent Baker and his wife,
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  Meg brain Meg Meg something. And so, yeah, basically after
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  making after making the initial burned over heck book Vincent
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  Baker and his wife, whose name I I I can never remember how to
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  say because I don't know that I've heard it out loud.
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  It's M e.g. UEY Meg mega wee Meg, I don't
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  know. I don't know how you're supposed
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  to say it, but Meg they both continued to work on burned over
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  is Long story short on that one. So basically they just they kept
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  working on it and at some point they were like, well, we've done
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  so much work on that that this has basically become its own
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  game. Let's just make it third edition
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  of apocalypse world. So now Apocalypse World burned
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  over the Kickstarter is for Apocalypse World three like it
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  is the third edition of the game.
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  So for the sake of confusion if or for the sake of clarifying
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  confusion, I should say if I mention if I say burned over,
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  I'm referring to the old one. If I say third edition, I'm
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  referring to the current one. Because unfortunately he did the
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  annoying thing where he gave them both the same name, which I
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  hate by the way. Why?
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  But here we are. I, you know, obviously we're
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  we're getting early play test content, but I do kind of hope
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  that they don't throw the sex moves away.
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  They're gone. Heavies.
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  Has he said that they're just gone for good?
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  They are gone there. There is a there is a reason he
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  talked about a little in the AMA, but they are 100% gone.
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  So we'll we'll get there. But yes, they are.
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  They're they are. That is one thing that is
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  definitely not coming back. Damn, dude.
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  Yeah, I have mixed feelings on that one.
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  So let's, so we're gonna, we're gonna start, we're gonna start
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  with there's a page on the Kickstarter that bows over the
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  changes real broadly. So we're just gonna go over
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  those real quick and then we'll look at the but that the
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  preview, preview material stuff and then we'll get through
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  however many I I saved Vincent Baker did an A Reddit AMA in the
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  Pbta subreddit shortly after the Kickstarter went live.
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  So I perused through looking for interesting responses and we'll
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  see how many we do or don't get to.
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  But yeah, well, here I'll, I will.
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  I will tell you the reason. I know for a fact that they're
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  not coming back is because I basically asked is this version
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  of the game also going to be a bit more PG13?
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  And the answer was yes for sure. And the reason he he said
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  because So what I said was I played a version of the game
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  called Burned Over back in like 2020 or whatever, 20/21.
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  It was a version of the game where the GM wanted to run
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  because it was a bit more PG13. Is this project a continuation
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  of that or is this a full third edition of the original game?
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  I asked because the shared name had me a little confused and his
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  reply was both. As we developed that version of
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  the game, it overtook and merged with our ideas for a third
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  edition. Now they're the same thing.
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  So the Kickstarter is a full stand alone 3rd edition.
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  I said OK I see. Does the PG13 writing style
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  carry through? I'm a fan of the harsher tone of
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  Apocalypse World and he said thanks for saying it's really
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  divisive. 3rd edition doesn't swear as much, but it has a
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  different hard edge. It's angrier and more bitter in
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  its humor. It still has a lot of character.
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  You might like it, you might not.
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  That was his response to my question on the AMA.
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  So yes, it's sticking with the PG13 tone, and apparently the R
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  rated tone that it previously had was divisive, which I
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  thought was interesting. I did not know that.
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  I'm not terribly surprised, I suppose, but I.
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  Was gonna say, yeah, I mean, I, I it's definitely, you know,
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  transgressive I think is a good word.
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  But like, I don't know. I kind of like that it had that,
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  like, unabashed edge to it. And like, is it kind of a
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  product of its time? Yeah.
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  But like, it's not always a bad thing.
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  I like the unabashed edge, especially because I feel like
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  tabletop games in general avoid that quite a lot.
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  Like I feel like tabletop games are are are often like tabletop.
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  The books, the rule books themselves are often written
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  pretty dry and neutral in their tone on purpose most of the
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  time. And the, the, the unabashed,
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  somewhat harsh way that Apocalypse World has written, I
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  felt like made it more fun to just read as a book, you know,
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  like regardless of the game itself, just made it more fun to
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  read as a book 'cause it felt like different, a little
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  interesting and it had a different voice to it.
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  So yes, I agree that I am a little sad that that's going
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  away. But based on how he responded to
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  me on the AMA, he's basically saying that it's still gonna
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  have a very particular voice to it.
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  It's just going to be a different kind of voice.
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  So it might still be interesting, you know, we'll
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  see. But yes, I agree.
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  I, I feel like the R rated vibe is a little untapped to a
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  certain degree. Shadow of the Demon Lord is
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  another game that does a very similar thing where it's written
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  very like are rated and nasty, and it makes it kind of a little
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  more interesting. You know, there's been books
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  that like there's the Book of Vile Darkness, obviously for 3rd
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  edition D&D, but I feel like that went a little, Yeah.
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  I mean, that's. That's like a thinly veiled
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  fetish book in the. Yeah, the Book of All Darkness
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  is weird. And then obviously there's the
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  the infamous RPG game Fatal, but like, that game is obviously not
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  what I want. That is what.
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  The fuck is that? I've never heard of that before.
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  Oh, you've never heard of Fatal? Oh, you should look up a little
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  after we're done here. But basically, Fatal is a FATAL
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  is kind of like if Garth Ennis wrote a role-playing game.
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  Oh. Jesus, All right, I'm already
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  fucking and like that you've lost me.
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  It is a game where cock size is a thing and there are rape rules
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  and also rules for the circumference of your asshole.
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  And that's not a joke. It's also just a really bad
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  game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You want me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm surprised you haven't heard. It's very imp.
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  To be clear, I'm not laughing about that middle one, but the
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  third one? Really.
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  Yeah, the circumference of the assault, yeah, Send.
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  Me, the middle one, the assault stuff.
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  That's not funny. Well.
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  I think these circumference rules exist for that middle one,
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  if I remember. God damn it.
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  Yeah, yeah. Fuck me, I don't know, I might.
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  Be I I might be wrong on that particular tidbit.
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  I don't, I haven't read fatal personally, but I've heard a lot
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  of people talk about it online. And I, I, I've heard the rumor,
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  the, the, the tells the stories. It's, it's, it's also just a
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  really bad game. Like it's, it's also really
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  mechanically just a shit tabletop game.
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  So on top of being the raunchiest, nastiest shit you've
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  ever seen in your life, it's just bad.
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  So anytime people basically, you know, anytime people are like,
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  what's the worst RPG? You've ever seen in your life,
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  inevitably someone will bring up fatal.
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  Oh. Oh, you looking at the cover?
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  Yeah. 22 white people in distressed butchering a bunch of
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  colored people with suspiciously curly hair.
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  Not not really a vibe. Wow.
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  OK, yes Sir, Brother, what the fuck?
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  Yeah, I'm again shocked you haven't heard of this game.
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  I I have not. Oh, there's a rule for racial
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  slurs. Oh my God, yes.
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  Sir, yes, Sir. What the?
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  Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah.
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  Anyway, Long story short, I'm not, I'm not asking for that,
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  obviously. So like, yes, there are some
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  RPGs out there that take it way too far.
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  I don't think Apocalypse World Second Edition took it too far
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  was kind of the point I was getting at, but you know.
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  It just keeps getting worse. Yeah, yeah.
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  Don't, don't. Yeah.
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  Don't keep looking. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's bad. But anyway, so yes, the
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  basically the sex moves are out because the game is going to
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  retain that PG13 tone. That's kind of the long and
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  short of that particular bit. All right, so let's look at it
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  just real quickly. What's the over?
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  What's like the broad overview on the play on the Playbook
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  changes? What changed from second edition
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  to 3rd edition? And this is the overview on the
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  Kickstarter. So some of the playbooks have
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  new names? I would say quite a quite a few.
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  Quite a lot of them have new names.
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  Most of them got a new name. I think Aggro is a new stat.
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  Hot is gone as a stat. It is.
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  I noticed that. Yes, seduce and manipulate is
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  also gone. Demanding something?
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  Tackle a challenge reason with someone and attack someone are
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  in. The new basic moves go aggro,
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  sucker someone and seduce and manipulate are gone.
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  Backing someone's play and interrupting someone are in as
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  new basic moves. Helping or interfering was out
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  or is out. Marking each stat for XP is in.
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  Highlighting stats is out. I'm a little sad about that one.
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  I won't lie, I really liked the highlighting system.
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  I think it made a lot of sense as a fun way to nudge your
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  fellow players in certain directions to kind of give them
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  a carrot. I like that.
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  I don't necessarily know why that's gone, but you know, sigh.
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  PSI is a new rating. It's a new it's not quite a
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  stat, but it's sort of like a stat.
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  So I thought Spider brought up in the previous in second
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  edition even like a lesser degree but I'm pretty sure it
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  came up. So I think there's sigh harm in
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  second edition, but I think that's the only place that it
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  shows up. If I remember correctly, yes,
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  there is sigh harm, but it wasn't really it wasn't really
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  like a a proper fleshed out mechanic I guess is the best way
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  to put it. Whereas now it's going to be all
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  of the playbooks have a sigh rating and the reason for that
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  is because certain moves and stuff will interact with your
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  side rating. So it's like it's tied to the
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  players more directly now. I guess is better way to put it.
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  Barter. It now works like a stat.
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  It is essentially your buying power rather than spending
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  barter as a currency. I'm fine with that.
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  I think like, I don't know, rolling it as a stat I have seen
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  other games do, but also barter was pretty simplified in the
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  previous rules. So there's a part of me that
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  almost feels like I don't know, I haven't played with it yet, so
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  I can't say, but I don't know that that change was like,
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  basically, I don't, it's not going to make anything worse,
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  but I don't know if it was necessary either.
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  I don't know if it's going to make anything particularly feel
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  cooler, you know what I mean? It does sort of kind of, I don't
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  know if it's a it, it limits the uniqueness of characters like
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  the like in Oh God, what are they called again?
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  I don't know the brain kicker on the like on the topic on the
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  topic of like the side rating it, it might make the character
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  whose whole thing is being weird and magicky kind of less unique.
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  OK, I was just talking about barter, so you just confused me
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  deeply. Sorry, I'm sorry, I was stuck on
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  that, 'cause I I was thinking you're.
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  Stuck on the side thing, yes. OK, well I don't think that's
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  gonna be the case because based on the preview of the playbooks,
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  it seems like most people will have a SIGH rating of 0 or -1 by
• 23:25
  default anyway. Most people are not gonna get
• 23:29
  SIGH, only certain playbooks are actually gonna like, it's not
• 23:33
  like everybody has like a baseline.
• 23:35
  It's just like it's a rating that you can have that you will
• 23:39
  get from certain moves. So like if you look, if you
• 23:42
  actually, if you pull open the playbooks, if you look at the
• 23:45
  brain picker's moves, the one that's called embrace the
• 23:48
  maelstrom, you get plus one weird.
• 23:51
  You also get plus one side. So like not everyone is gonna
• 23:57
  have a sigh rating that it like most people are probably going
• 24:01
  to have a 0. So it's not going to, I don't
• 24:04
  think it's going to eat their lunch in a particular way.
• 24:06
  With that in mind, do you think maybe it was just a waste to put
• 24:10
  it on the character sheet for anyone but them anyway?
• 24:13
  It just kind of seems like a waste of space on a honestly
• 24:16
  pretty cluttered character sheet.
• 24:18
  I would say no. I think it makes sense to put it
• 24:21
  on the no because a couple other so like the gear cutter
• 24:27
  interacts with PSI a bit, the hocus interacts with PSI like a
• 24:30
  few of them do. Also you can always pick up
• 24:33
  moves from other playbooks. Remember true a lot of every
• 24:38
  every playbook has the ability to take moves from somebody
• 24:41
  else. So the chance of being like I
• 24:43
  want to dip into PSI stuff is always present.
• 24:48
  Also, it it gives the GM, you know, it gives the MC another
• 24:53
  potential Ave. of like attack, quote UN quote for how to kind
• 24:56
  of like mess with your players or it's another number to like
• 25:00
  use in some way. So no, I I think it makes sense
• 25:04
  to have it on there. Fair enough.
• 25:07
  But anyway, yes, so barter, barter you do not spend.
• 25:12
  Basically you don't spend barter like gold anymore.
• 25:15
  It's not like a basic currency, it's a stat that you roll on.
• 25:22
  We don't know if there's going to be any other moves you now.
• 25:25
  So you choose between scavenge options during character
• 25:30
  creation and you can change your choice later.
• 25:32
  And that that is what sets your barter stat essentially.
• 25:38
  I have not. I have not seen any indication
• 25:41
  within the playbooks of if you're going to be able to
• 25:44
  manipulate your barter stat in other ways, like bring it up or
• 25:48
  down, like dock it or anything. But I have a feeling that will
• 25:51
  be a rule in some capacity in the full game, because I'd be
• 25:54
  shocked if it wasn't. Every playbook's improvement
• 26:00
  options have been revised and so have the Ungiven future
• 26:07
  improvement options, Which is to say there's just a little spot
• 26:09
  to show like these. You can also get later.
• 26:12
  That's yeah. Special moves are out.
• 26:14
  Which are special moves are actually what the sex Everyone
• 26:17
  calls them sex moves, but they were technically called special
• 26:20
  moves. So special moves are gone.
• 26:24
  As we said, first impression is in, look is out.
• 26:28
  That's just what your character looks like.
• 26:30
  It's now what's everybody's first impression, your
• 26:32
  character. I don't.
• 26:33
  That part's whatever. All of the playbooks have 5 or 6
• 26:40
  starting moves to choose from in second edition.
• 26:42
  A couple of playbooks did not, which is that's a pretty big
• 26:45
  change actually. Quite a few playbooks, maybe not
• 26:48
  a few, not quite a few, but there were a couple of playbooks
• 26:50
  that only had like one or two starting moves and you just got
• 26:55
  them in the beginning and that was it.
• 26:56
  I believe. Like the Chopper only has Yeah,
• 27:01
  the chopper only has 2 starting moves, which is Pack Alpha and
• 27:05
  fucking thieves. And you start with both of them
• 27:07
  right from character creation. So you don't get any new chopper
• 27:11
  moves. Now everybody has like 5 or 6.
• 27:14
  Yeah, I think there's a oh, the hard holder also only started
• 27:19
  with leadership and wealth. That was another one.
• 27:22
  So yeah, a couple of people did not have as many moves as the
• 27:25
  others. So now everyone has much, not
• 27:28
  exactly the same amount but closer amounts between each
• 27:31
  other. Which normally I would be like
• 27:34
  oh but that feels like homogenizing.
• 27:37
  But in this case, I feel like it opens up a lot of cooler
• 27:42
  potential for quite a few of the playbooks.
• 27:44
  No, I, I agree with you. Yeah, no, IA 100% agree with you
• 27:48
  on that one. It, it feels like I know the
• 27:50
  other in second edition, the other classes had the playbooks
• 27:52
  had stuff to bolster that and still make it feel interesting.
• 27:56
  But the fact that now it just kind of opens up your options
• 27:59
  like you said. I I like that a lot.
• 28:00
  I am a little sad that we lost Gunlugger and it's been renamed
• 28:04
  to Volatile. Yeah, I don't.
• 28:06
  Know the rename I thought was odd.
• 28:08
  I kind of like Gunlugger. It's it's a really evocative
• 28:10
  like. It's a good.
• 28:11
  Name. Yeah, it's a good one.
• 28:13
  Battle babe also gone. I believe that's.
• 28:16
  Battle Battle Babe was removed completely.
• 28:19
  Is not has no equivalent because Battle Babe is kind of is more
• 28:25
  of that R rating thing, you know?
• 28:27
  I, you know, I feel like we lost an opportunity to just rename it
• 28:30
  to War Boy. True, I will say though don't be
• 28:35
  too sad because they are going to rework all of the old
• 28:40
  playbooks and put those out also.
• 28:41
  Oh, let's fucking go. Oh is is that what Harrow Queen
• 28:43
  is? No, that's that's the no, the
• 28:47
  Harrow Queen is the the world's of warriors of warriors of the
• 28:51
  world ablaze playbooks. Which are can you?
• 28:54
  Can you give me a quick explanation on what that is?
• 28:56
  I saw that in the AMA and I didn't know what it was.
• 28:59
  It is a set of playbooks to play sword and sorcery post
• 29:02
  apocalypse. Oh, that's cool.
• 29:06
  So like you have the Axe King, a ruler of a stronghold, and his
• 29:09
  warrior Garrison. A bloody sword is a free
• 29:11
  warrior. The Errant is an explorer, a
• 29:13
  treasure seeker. The Harrow Queen is the chosen
• 29:15
  leader of a fierce and independent enclave.
• 29:17
  The Hunting Kite is a warrior and a killer.
• 29:20
  The Inheritor is a keeper of ancient knowledge.
• 29:24
  The lost priest is the whose faith is broken but whose powers
• 29:27
  remain. The warlock is a sorcerer at the
• 29:29
  height of their power. So it's like instead of psychic
• 29:33
  maelstrom powers, the apocalypse caused everyone to get magic.
• 29:37
  That's cool. OK.
• 29:39
  Yeah, so it's like a whole other way to play the game.
• 29:42
  No, the classic playbooks are getting reworked.
• 29:48
  They are, they are basically he's just gonna like go through
• 29:52
  him, clean him up a little and spit him back out more or less.
• 29:55
  Is the so the Angel or the battle babe is in there?
• 30:01
  Awesome. Honestly the only one that got
• 30:03
  cut completely and didn't get reworked is the battle babe.
• 30:09
  So the other ones all basically got reworked and renamed.
• 30:18
  Standard moves are in those we'll talk about later.
• 30:23
  Stat substitution moves are almost entirely out, and stat
• 30:27
  bonus moves are almost entirely out.
• 30:29
  Which is to say, on your moves list in 1st and 2nd edition,
• 30:34
  there were some moves that would be like, you're a weird guy.
• 30:38
  You get plus one weird. And like, that was it.
• 30:41
  Those are gone now, basically because everyone's like, those
• 30:43
  are boring as shit. And it's like, yeah, kind of.
• 30:47
  They are boring, I'll give you that.
• 30:49
  But I like the substitution ones.
• 30:50
  I like where it's like, you know, your immense strength lets
• 30:54
  you roll, you know, something with aggro rather than cool, you
• 30:58
  know? Like most people do not like the
• 31:01
  substitution ones. Oh see, I like those a lot.
• 31:04
  Yeah, so like to to give an example of which ones we're
• 31:06
  talking about. So like the brainer has one
• 31:08
  called unnatural in in second edition, the brainer has
• 31:12
  unnatural lust transfiction when you try to seduce someone, roll
• 31:16
  plus weird instead of plus hot and then they have preternatural
• 31:20
  at will brain attunement you get plus one weird.
• 31:23
  So like those kinds of moves are gone, he said mostly gone.
• 31:29
  I haven't actually been able to figure out, I haven't seen any
• 31:34
  of the substitution ones anywhere.
• 31:35
  I've seen a couple moves that do look like just sort of stat
• 31:38
  bump. I haven't seen the substitution
• 31:42
  ones, but I didn't I've been I kind of jumped around a lot, so
• 31:46
  I might have just missed them. I also, I did, you know, a very
• 31:49
  brief skim. I I I didn't see any either.
• 31:52
  Yeah. But yeah, so the substitutions
• 31:59
  are out. And then on the back of the
• 32:02
  playbook, all of the playbooks, gears, all of the playbooks gear
• 32:07
  and stuff has been revised, often dramatically.
• 32:09
  I would say that is quite true. Everyone has totally new gear.
• 32:14
  I was, I was hoping this was in your notes.
• 32:16
  Yes, I wanted to put some attention to this 'cause I like
• 32:19
  that everyone has like a cool gear list.
• 32:21
  It's everybody has. I did put it in my notes, yes.
• 32:24
  Perfect. Yeah, 'cause it just, I was
• 32:25
  like, oh, there's some of that blades that I like.
• 32:28
  Yes everyone has their own gear list with like 1 exception, but
• 32:36
  it's not that big of a deal for the one exception in in this
• 32:38
  case. So the one exception being the
• 32:42
  Maestro D technically doesn't have the gear list, but in their
• 32:47
  gear section it says that you start with like a wicked blade
• 32:51
  like a kitchen knife or a razor sharp scissors.
• 32:53
  So they get they get a little bit less, but they're also not
• 32:56
  the character where you'd really care about that anyway.
• 32:58
  So not the end of the world. And they might, they could
• 33:03
  potentially get something later. But yes, everyone else got a
• 33:06
  distinctive gear list. Some characters, some playbooks
• 33:12
  data already have that in second edition, for example the gun
• 33:17
  lugger. Had.
• 33:18
  The gun lugger had a special list.
• 33:21
  The Skinner, if I remember correctly, has their, what did
• 33:25
  they call them? They're like fanciful weapons or
• 33:27
  something like that. Hold on, let me see if I can
• 33:29
  find it. The their Skinner gear.
• 33:32
  Skinner gear? Yeah.
• 33:32
  Oh, gracious weapons. That's what I was like.
• 33:35
  They had a list of gracious weapons.
• 33:36
  So like some people did already have that.
• 33:40
  Sorry, what? I just fucking you know, I'm
• 33:43
  playing, I'm playing DS3 with Kate again and every time they
• 33:46
  had the shrine handmaiden goes right?
• 33:48
  I just think of the fun Italian animation.
• 33:53
  Right down the road. Yeah, it's that, but it's just,
• 33:55
  I'm sorry. Why are you looking for the sun
• 34:01
  in the abyss? Yeah, and then it says effects.
• 34:10
  I'm not entirely sure what he means by this, but he said
• 34:13
  effects, Harm, armor, sigh, and barter have all been
• 34:15
  standardized on the back. I don't not entirely sure what
• 34:21
  that like. I know what he means.
• 34:23
  There's a section explaining it. I guess he just means
• 34:26
  standardized as in like everyone has explained the same way on
• 34:29
  their sheet I guess is what he's saying.
• 34:32
  Yeah, I don't know. I it's the effects.
• 34:35
  If you go on, if you look at any of the playbooks and Scroll down
• 34:38
  to where it says effects, that's that little section is what
• 34:42
  that's talking about. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:48
  Yeah. So I, I think he's just saying
• 34:49
  it's like the same for everybody.
• 34:50
  It's organized the same way and then hard zones are in hard
• 34:56
  zones. I didn't, I didn't enter.
• 34:59
  I was not MC ING when I played the burned over hack.
• 35:02
  So I didn't really interact with the hard zones.
• 35:05
  But my understanding if I think if I'm figuring it out, is that
• 35:09
  hard zones are like a setting thing where you're essentially
• 35:15
  you're declaring like these zones exist And by declaring
• 35:22
  that the players can also, the players have abilities that will
• 35:25
  interact with hard zones. So for example, the operator has
• 35:31
  their port, their ports of call and it says whatever you need,
• 35:35
  you know where to go, choose hard zone locations for up to
• 35:39
  five. And then so you have a couple of
• 35:42
  like statements. So like the first one says, I
• 35:45
  know people here who can get me strange things, curious things,
• 35:48
  new things. And then so you pick one of the
• 35:50
  hard zones that are in play and you put that on that list.
• 35:55
  So look, I'm, I'm popping open the old burned over book.
• 35:59
  It's like hard zones, the drowned city.
• 36:01
  The operator's like, OK, if I go to the drowned city, I know
• 36:05
  people there that can get me weird shit 'cause that's one of
• 36:08
  my ports of call. So that's kind of how the the
• 36:10
  hard zones interact between the two sides of the table.
• 36:15
  They don't necessarily have to be dangerous areas, they just
• 36:17
  have to be established areas of play like like notable
• 36:21
  locations. They're established.
• 36:23
  They are established zones, Yeah.
• 36:25
  I mean, they're going to be dangerous.
• 36:27
  They have the potential to be dangerous in the in the sense
• 36:30
  that they have the they can go on the threat map for the MC,
• 36:35
  but like they don't, yeah, they are just, they are zones.
• 36:38
  They're areas that have like descriptors tied to them and
• 36:42
  stuff, and they have little bullet points of like notable
• 36:45
  things, notable locations in them.
• 36:48
  I'm, I'm not in love with the name hard zone because it, it
• 36:51
  sort of, it evokes like nuclear wasteland or minefield as
• 36:58
  opposed to like maybe CD center of trade.
• 37:01
  You know, it's not like it what they mean is Mos Eisley
• 37:04
  spaceport. What they're giving is
• 37:07
  minefield. Yeah, so like the list of the
• 37:11
  hard zones in the burned over hack book, it says the
• 37:16
  bottomless vaults, the drowned City, the fallen city, the
• 37:18
  frozen world, the overgrown Wilds, the poison land, the
• 37:22
  scorched wastes. Obviously, those are like
• 37:25
  evocative, open-ended, you know, descriptors.
• 37:29
  And then like if you go down to it, the bottomless waste, for
• 37:31
  examples, locations in the bottomless waste, the baffles,
• 37:34
  the chanting colony, the gardens, the long dark, the
• 37:37
  moon. Well, the Stew, the transfer,
• 37:39
  the water locks, right? So like, yeah, they're not quite
• 37:45
  Mos Eisley Cantina. I mean, well, I guess they could
• 37:47
  be Mos Ansley Cantina is the idea.
• 37:51
  But yes, they are not explicitly like really bad place.
• 37:58
  So yes I agree the name hard zones is a little questionable.
• 38:03
  But again, I did not interact with this mechanic because I was
• 38:06
  not MC ING so I don't exactly know how it comes into play.
• 38:10
  And my character did not have any particular ability that the
• 38:14
  hard zones mattered to me in any way.
• 38:15
  So. But yes, hard zones are now
• 38:20
  listed on the character sheet and what it says is ask the MC
• 38:25
  which hard zones are in play or else choose with the other
• 38:28
  players. You can adapt your gear and
• 38:30
  other options to the hard zones as necessary.
• 38:33
  So basically, you know, if it wouldn't make sense for you to
• 38:36
  have a certain kind of equipment in a certain kind of hard zone,
• 38:38
  it's like, OK, you know, adapt it.
• 38:41
  Basically. Ultimately it's a setting
• 38:42
  building mechanic. That's really what it is.
• 38:44
  Do we need that on the character sheet though?
• 38:48
  I did find that a little odd that it was on the character
• 38:50
  sheet, yes. Like there are certain things
• 38:52
  like like again when we talk about sigh but hard zones that
• 38:55
  literally does nothing definitively if it doesn't come
• 39:01
  into play. I think the reason that it is on
• 39:04
  the character sheet on the back, keep in mind it is, I mean we're
• 39:08
  looking at APDF, but it is on the backside of the character
• 39:10
  sheet. I think the reason it's there is
• 39:12
  because the backside of the character sheet has steps for
• 39:15
  you to go through and the hard zone thing is effectively
• 39:21
  saying, hey you player, make sure to check in with your GM
• 39:25
  what hard zones are in play like, what's the mood, what's
• 39:28
  the setting, what's the like? It's like a reminder.
• 39:31
  But did it need to be on the character sheet?
• 39:36
  Maybe not. You know, I could see the
• 39:41
  argument for cutting it out for sure.
• 39:43
  It's not taking up that much space though either.
• 39:46
  So it's not super the end of the world.
• 39:48
  It's not. But in in comparison to two
• 39:51
  point O, this character sheet is very busy and I kind of liked
• 39:54
  the simplicity of the earlier character.
• 39:56
  It is busier than the second edition character sheet, yes,
• 40:01
  and it's a lot bit. I mean it's they've gotten
• 40:04
  busier with every character sheet, right, like the first
• 40:06
  edition character sheet was the most sparse, I would say well,
• 40:09
  no, I guess it was pretty pretty much pretty.
• 40:12
  I guess it was about the. Same one, about the same as one
• 40:14
  to two, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess it was about
• 40:17
  the same. Like I know, I know it's rich
• 40:18
  coming from me, the crunch guy, but I'm like, I can, I can
• 40:22
  appreciate the the the. It's the.
• 40:27
  Style of a minimalist character. Sheet yeah, I think it's it's
• 40:33
  because Apocalypse World has that tighter, cleaner style, so
• 40:41
  it it it feels weird to stuff more stuff on the character
• 40:45
  sheet, but it's not it's not that much more.
• 40:49
  It's kind of feels like a lot more.
• 40:51
  It's really not that much more, you know what I mean?
• 40:53
  It's kind of. Yeah, I guess.
• 40:55
  And it's also. I don't know, the layout is
• 40:57
  pretty good, so it's not like hard to read.
• 40:59
  At least I don't find it hard to read.
• 41:01
  No, it's not hard to read. It's definitely not hard to
• 41:03
  read. I I would still say, you know,
• 41:06
  if you're going to use the bog standard D&D stab lock character
• 41:10
  sheet, I would say this is certainly simpler, but I fear we
• 41:15
  might be drifting away from what made it so good.
• 41:19
  Yeah. I mean, I don't know that we'll
• 41:20
  drift much further though. So like, you know, I'm not too
• 41:24
  worried. All right, so that was kind of
• 41:29
  the overview that Vincent Baker put on the Kickstarter.
• 41:32
  So we got a preview of the basic moves.
• 41:36
  So as I mentioned, we now have a new stat.
• 41:43
  We have aggro instead of Hot. So with a new stat, we also got
• 41:49
  2 new basic moves. These are basically just they're
• 41:54
  like threat moves or well one of them is a threat move actually,
• 41:59
  and the other one is kind of like an athletics check style
• 42:02
  thing in a way. The one aggro move is demand
• 42:07
  something of someone, which is, you know, as the name implies,
• 42:11
  you demand like give me, give me what I want.
• 42:15
  And you know, on like a 7 to 10, you know, they they they'll
• 42:19
  probably push back. And then the other one is for
• 42:24
  aggro is tackle a challenge, which is is you're trying to do
• 42:30
  something. I mean, I'll read it when you
• 42:33
  tackle a challenge trying for something that might be beyond
• 42:36
  you requiring strength skill or great, great care, quick
• 42:39
  reflexes, patients or hard work role plus aggro on A10 plus
• 42:44
  you're able to take it on and ask the MC what you can
• 42:47
  accomplish and no one could expect to do it better.
• 42:49
  So like basically it's a I'm trying to do something difficult
• 42:54
  like let's just, I'm going to go for it even if it's like even if
• 42:59
  it's especially difficult. This almost seems more broad
• 43:03
  than just a athletic check. This just seems to be the get
• 43:06
  something done check. It is more broad.
• 43:09
  I, I athletics check was the closest comparison I could make
• 43:13
  of it. But yeah, it is more broad than
• 43:14
  that, Yes. The other reason I call it the
• 43:18
  athletics check is because the aggro stat has a little bit more
• 43:23
  upfront. I'm putting energy into it, I
• 43:28
  almost feel. Like the tackle the challenge
• 43:30
  check should be the true the only completely analogous check
• 43:36
  type like I, I or move sorry like 1 where it's based on what
• 43:41
  you wanted to be rolled like a different stat.
• 43:45
  Oh, I feel like. That kind of like how how Defy
• 43:48
  Danger works in Dungeon World. Yes, exactly.
• 43:52
  That's an interesting idea. I did not consider that.
• 43:55
  Yeah, I could see that. I almost.
• 43:58
  I so hold on, yeah, 'cause I I'm looking at your notes now for
• 44:02
  the aggrostat and I almost feel like we didn't need it.
• 44:07
  So that was, I mean, I hold on, you know, let me pull up.
• 44:13
  So he somebody asked about that in the in the Reddit.
• 44:15
  So here, let me pull up. I'm just gonna pull these up as
• 44:18
  they become relevant, I guess. OK, so this person said why
• 44:22
  separate the stats of hard and angry?
• 44:25
  What distinction are you trying to make that was not present in
• 44:30
  previous? What distinction are you trying
• 44:32
  to make between the stats that was not present in the previous
• 44:34
  edition? And then this person actually
• 44:39
  also said what is your reasoning for toning down the sexually
• 44:42
  explicit parts of the game in the new edition?
• 44:43
  Removing the hot stat playbook specials?
• 44:46
  This is not a complaint, though I did enjoy the transgressive
• 44:48
  nature of the inclusion in the previous editions.
• 44:51
  So the response was the first decision was to do away with
• 44:59
  seducing or manipulating as a basic move.
• 45:01
  My least favorite move and my least favorite in the game by
• 45:04
  far is what Vincent Baker said. I I thought that was
• 45:09
  interesting. I don't know why he hates to do
• 45:10
  some manipulate so much, but I thought it was interesting.
• 45:13
  That decision left the Hot stat with nothing to do.
• 45:18
  Dropping the Hot stat left a hole in the stat list.
• 45:21
  I mean I could have gone down to 4 stats, but honestly we never
• 45:24
  really considered it. I chose aggro because of the
• 45:28
  triangle it makes with Cool and Hard.
• 45:30
  Unlike Cool and Hard, it is outward, expressive and showy.
• 45:36
  Cool and Hard are both kind of contained and calculating more
• 45:40
  when push comes to shove. Hot was the same way.
• 45:45
  One of the reasons we're toning down the sexuality is that we've
• 45:49
  made some Oh, this is another. This I thought was a quite an
• 45:52
  interesting answer. One of the reasons we're toning
• 45:54
  down the sexuality is that we've made some games since Apocalypse
• 45:58
  World that take on sex and romance more directly, with a
• 46:01
  lot more fun detail and nuance. It's hard to take the when you
• 46:05
  and another character have sex, you get plus one hex with each
• 46:07
  other as seriously when it's up against Firebrands stealing time
• 46:12
  together, the nightmare horses take their breath away and the
• 46:16
  Wolf King's sons falling in love with someone.
• 46:20
  Those other two games, I don't know.
• 46:21
  Firebrands is a game that he made that is about Mecca pilots,
• 46:25
  but it's about like the drama between Mecca pilots.
• 46:29
  It's like the drama on the ship is kind of the idea.
• 46:36
  Yeah, It's not so much about the mix.
• 46:39
  It's also kind of like a quick play game.
• 46:40
  It's not like a full campaign kind of game.
• 46:42
  It's like a play one session focused kind of thing.
• 46:45
  I don't know if it's finished either.
• 46:46
  I have it. I don't know if it's totally
• 46:48
  finished, if I remember correctly.
• 46:51
  So his argument was aggro is in there because of the triangle
• 46:56
  that it makes with cool and hard, where aggro is more
• 46:59
  expensive and showy and cool and hard are more contained and
• 47:03
  calculating. I, I don't know, I don't know if
• 47:10
  I agree with that or not. It I kind of get what he means,
• 47:19
  but at the same time, yeah, I don't know, the distinction
• 47:25
  feels a little too blurry to be worth it.
• 47:28
  Totally. So I mean ultimately having not,
• 47:38
  well, I mean, it was so I think it was that way in the hack
• 47:42
  also, but I don't remember or was it actually hold on, did it
• 47:47
  work that way there? It did, yeah.
• 47:50
  So that was the case in the hack too.
• 47:53
  I really don't remember if it, I don't remember it coming up or
• 48:00
  doing anything really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:10
  Because there was confront someone in the hack version with
• 48:14
  which was roll plus aggro and then there was a charm or
• 48:18
  deceive move and that was rolling with your cool, which
• 48:21
  feels awkward. And I think he acknowledges that
• 48:24
  one. So yeah, it was only, I guess it
• 48:28
  was only really the one move that used the aggro, which is
• 48:31
  why I don't really remember it much.
• 48:33
  So yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it was needed or
• 48:35
  not, but I can definitely see the argument.
• 48:42
  I can definitely see the argument for.
• 48:50
  I can see the argument for tackle a challenge being not
• 48:54
  tied to any specific stat and being like you pick I can.
• 48:58
  That makes sense. And then in regards to like the
• 49:04
  the comment on the whole, like why this, the sex moves being
• 49:07
  gone and stuff, I do feel like that's a pretty good answer in
• 49:11
  terms of like it was just not, it wasn't very good.
• 49:15
  My one complaint there is like, yeah, but then you could have
• 49:18
  maybe reworked it to make it better, you know?
• 49:22
  Yeah, I suppose. And also you could have toned
• 49:26
  it. The funny thing about the sex
• 49:28
  moves thing is like they're like, well, we want to tone
• 49:30
  down. I I honestly I expected you to
• 49:33
  argue more about the sex image part.
• 49:35
  No, I mean, look, there's there. I definitely I'm frustrated that
• 49:40
  they're gone and that they're going to be gone forever.
• 49:42
  And I hope maybe we get like into something to put them back
• 49:45
  in for people who want that kind of play.
• 49:47
  A. Little mini, little mini.
• 49:48
  Something yeah, but I my biggest thing that I see as I'm reading
• 49:55
  this is that may I, I don't want to go as far as say we're losing
• 50:00
  the plot, but you know, if you were going to remove the hot
• 50:05
  stat, maybe it was OK just to go down to four.
• 50:07
  Like, I think a lot of people really like the Powered by the
• 50:10
  Apocalypse games for their simplicity and.
• 50:14
  Yeah, I could see four, I think 4.
• 50:15
  Could have worked and like we like 4 works.
• 50:19
  We know it works because it works fine in monster hearts,
• 50:22
  right? Like Monster Arts has rules
• 50:23
  supplementing the the use of four.
• 50:26
  But yeah, honestly. My I would have personally said
• 50:34
  turn take hot away and call it like charm or something like
• 50:38
  that, right. And then instead of them being
• 50:42
  sex moves, make them like intimate moves, compassion
• 50:46
  moves, companion moves, something along those lines.
• 50:50
  Because that's how most people, The funny thing is that's what
• 50:52
  most people ended up doing anyway.
• 50:54
  And other PBTA games call them that.
• 50:58
  Like the Urban Shadows calls them, I think intimacy moves,
• 51:04
  which is like it, it says like they don't have to be sexual,
• 51:07
  right. Intimacy could also just be like
• 51:10
  hanging out with someone and like talking to each other for a
• 51:13
  long time or whatever, you know? So yeah, I interesting choice.
• 51:18
  Yeah. I the idea of like, well, I
• 51:20
  didn't like how it was, so I took it out 'cause it was
• 51:22
  feeling kind of like outdated design.
• 51:25
  I understand. But then I'm like, yeah, but
• 51:28
  rework it more, think about it more, you know, like do
• 51:30
  something new with it. I don't know.
• 51:32
  So yeah, aggro is in there. It's tied to these two moves.
• 51:39
  I can't say much else without playing with it to really say
• 51:43
  how it feels. But yeah, continuing down the
• 51:50
  basic moves, we still have Act Under Fire, which is pretty much
• 51:54
  unchanged. It does the same thing and then
• 51:57
  we have a new move under cool called Reason with someone,
• 52:01
  which you know, when you reason with someone, say what they'll
• 52:04
  do and what you'll do. Roll with your cool.
• 52:08
  And you know, you try to like speak frankly with them, give
• 52:12
  them an offer. Try to be like, you know, try to
• 52:16
  reason, be like, you don't want to do this, bud.
• 52:18
  Right? That kind of vibe.
• 52:22
  My initial thought when I first read that was why is that tied
• 52:25
  to cool? But as I thought about it more,
• 52:26
  I was like, Oh no, I guess that does actually make sense for
• 52:28
  cool 'cause you're being more level headed than the person
• 52:31
  you're talking to probably is. And then we have our so we have
• 52:41
  one hard move on the basic moves list, which is just attack
• 52:44
  someone, which is much more straightforward than it used to
• 52:48
  be when it was called Seized by Force.
• 52:53
  So when you attack someone, you roll plus hard and on a hit, you
• 52:56
  know, you get to choose a bunch. Basically, you have a list of
• 52:59
  options on the attack someone move.
• 53:01
  The one difference is that there is a there is a rider on the
• 53:07
  attack someone where if the person can defend themselves,
• 53:11
  you get an extra choice that you can pick from, which is to say
• 53:16
  you can choose to suffer a little harm.
• 53:19
  This used to basically be two separate moves, so they kind of
• 53:22
  like smashed into one move. This is not however, the full
• 53:28
  combat rules because there are also battle rules and I'm pretty
• 53:36
  sure the battle rules are still going to be in 3rd edition.
• 53:42
  I don't I don't think they're getting taken out.
• 53:46
  So the battle rules are for when, like, it's almost kind of
• 53:50
  like when you roll initiative, you activate the battle moves.
• 53:53
  You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
• 53:55
  So there's only this one basic attack, someone move for your
• 53:58
  basic moves, but there's almost certainly going to be more.
• 54:04
  And then we have read a person read a situation and using the
• 54:07
  psychic maelstrom. These are basically completely
• 54:10
  the same as they were before, although they do have a little
• 54:14
  rider on the question on each of the questions now, which I
• 54:17
  thought was kind of interesting. Where So for like read a person,
• 54:21
  it says, are you telling the truth?
• 54:23
  And then in parentheses it says, how can I tell?
• 54:27
  So the player who rolled to read, they ask, you know, let's
• 54:32
  say the and they asked the MC, are you telling the truth?
• 54:35
  Which is to say, is the MPC telling me the truth?
• 54:37
  And then how, as I, how, how can my character tell that this MPC
• 54:41
  is in fact telling the truth? And they all have that little
• 54:45
  rider question. And then Rita situation is the
• 54:47
  same one like who's in control here?
• 54:49
  Parentheses. How can I tell I like those just
• 54:53
  because I was, I would already do that.
• 54:57
  I I would explain that bit like how you can tell part.
• 54:59
  I would say that anyway, but I like throwing them on there.
• 55:04
  It adds it, it adds it's a good reminder to be like, by the way,
• 55:08
  GM, like let them know. How can they tell?
• 55:12
  And then, yeah, the the psychic maelstrom is, I think completely
• 55:16
  unchanged. I mean, maybe it's reworded a
• 55:18
  little bit, but other than that, I think it's totally unchanged.
• 55:24
  Your two hex moves, your history moves are now back.
• 55:28
  Someone's play and interrupt someone.
• 55:30
  They're, they're pretty, they're a similar idea to the way
• 55:35
  helping and interfering previously worked.
• 55:38
  But now they they basically just have more nuance to them.
• 55:43
  They have more options, so if you back someone's play, you can
• 55:47
  give them a plus one. You can give them an extra
• 55:50
  question or an extra option. You can give them extra harm,
• 55:53
  extra armor, extra sigh harm, or another benefit as you agree.
• 55:59
  And then as if you interrupt someone, it's like the MC will
• 56:03
  choose whether you're in the way first.
• 56:04
  You're in their way, you're ready for it.
• 56:07
  So they're a similar concept, but they're much more nuanced
• 56:10
  now, which is cool because honestly, I think I think what
• 56:18
  I'm, what I'm personally seeing in this version of Apocalypse
• 56:21
  World is Vincent Baker really accepting that Apocalypse World
• 56:25
  is APVP game. Yeah, I mean.
• 56:29
  By adding this extra information, by adding the extra
• 56:33
  stuff to these to the back someone's play and interrupt
• 56:36
  someone, by making them more nuanced.
• 56:37
  It's like acknowledging that players are going to like fuck
• 56:40
  with each other or help each other, depending.
• 56:42
  Yeah, I mean, on one end, I like that.
• 56:46
  To an earlier point, I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the
• 56:49
  Riders. I feel like they, like I, I
• 56:52
  recognize that we need to have them on some things, but others
• 56:54
  feel kind of weird given the way the game is played.
• 56:58
  So like the idea that a full success at 10 plus is
• 57:02
  particularly difficult to get right up until you know, like
• 57:06
  your characters are pretty kitted out and then they can do
• 57:08
  kind of whatever they want in a specific nation.
• 57:10
  The fact that with with something like demand something
• 57:14
  right, they have to choose, give into your demand or push back
• 57:18
  hard. I almost feel like on A10 plus
• 57:20
  they shouldn't be able to choose.
• 57:22
  You know, those are not the riders.
• 57:26
  That's not what I meant when I said the riders.
• 57:30
  But when I said the riders, I was talking about the little
• 57:33
  parentheses questions on read a person and read a situation.
• 57:37
  OK, that being said, in response to that, basically that for that
• 57:46
  particular one, it's the what it's saying is they either have
• 57:51
  to give you what you want or they have to escalate the
• 57:54
  situation. And that's the only way they can
• 57:56
  resist. And if you're, if you're in like
• 57:59
  a negotiation of some kind and you demand something of a
• 58:03
  character and you get a 10 plus, their only option if they want
• 58:08
  to say no is to escalate, which is probably going to mean like
• 58:11
  physical violence or close to it.
• 58:13
  If they do that, then everyone else in the room is going to
• 58:17
  know like, oh, you know, this guy just jumped this other dude
• 58:20
  for no reason. Like, and now they're
• 58:22
  ostracized. Like I think the idea is that's
• 58:25
  why it says push back hard. Right.
• 58:27
  That that is the idea that physically, because when you
• 58:31
  demand, like if you think about it in real life, when you demand
• 58:33
  something of someone, they can always physically resist and say
• 58:38
  no. So it's it's leaving that door
• 58:41
  open if like they still can, but they have to escalate the
• 58:45
  situation and that's going to probably put them in a worse
• 58:49
  position if they choose to escalate the situation like most
• 58:52
  times. So it is still ultimately in
• 58:58
  your favor by quite a lot. Arguably.
• 59:04
  Actually arguably I could see a situation where the NPC pushing
• 59:07
  back on a 10 plus is puts the situation even more in your
• 59:13
  favour than it did before. Because, you know, the person
• 59:19
  pushing back looks like the idiot.
• 59:22
  I suppose. They pull, they pull, they pull.
• 59:24
  A faux pas, if you will. Right.
• 59:26
  Yeah, I suppose. But anyway, yes, so with the the
• 59:37
  with the history moves, I just like that.
• 59:40
  I like that there's more to them because it means there's going
• 59:42
  to be more. When you get into those like
• 59:46
  social PvP situations where you're arguing with each other
• 59:50
  or trying to get an MPC on your side versus another player's
• 59:53
  side, there's just going to be more going on there.
• 1:00:00
  They also with the interrupt someone move being a thing now
• 1:00:04
  being its own move, there's also now highly interruptible moves
• 1:00:09
  and some of the moves you'll see on like the playbooks will say
• 1:00:11
  highly interruptible, which is to say like you know, basically
• 1:00:14
  it's something that takes time. So someone could potentially
• 1:00:16
  jump in, which is again fun for the potential PvP nonsense.
• 1:00:28
  And now we have the barter moves which I mentioned before.
• 1:00:34
  Drop Jingle is your move to buy stuff.
• 1:00:38
  Basically you roll plus your barter stat.
• 1:00:42
  And if you get on A10 plus you can find a trading partner or
• 1:00:46
  people who have the thing you want on a 7 to 9.
• 1:00:50
  They on a 7 to 9 it says they consider you to be either rich.
• 1:00:55
  So on A10 plus they consider you to be both rich and powerful.
• 1:01:00
  On a 7 to 9 they choose either rich or powerful, the MC
• 1:01:04
  chooses. On a miss they consider you to
• 1:01:06
  be neither rich or powerful. No matter the result.
• 1:01:11
  Ask the MC how they treat you and what kind of deal or deals
• 1:01:15
  they make available to you. So basically the drop Jingle is
• 1:01:20
  kind of like you're making a roll to see how big of a Dick
• 1:01:23
  you have in the room currently in comparison to everyone else.
• 1:01:31
  Which again, I'm a little iffy on turning barter into a move
• 1:01:38
  that you roll. I I go back and forth on if I if
• 1:01:44
  I like that idea or not. At least for Apocalypse World,
• 1:01:46
  you know what I mean? I like it in other games.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah. I mean, I can see what you're
• 1:01:51
  saying around. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:53
  I was going to say I don't know if you have any strong opinion
• 1:01:55
  on. That.
• 1:01:55
  No, no, I'm kind of with you where it's like E.
• 1:01:59
  It's a maybe. Yeah, it's an interesting idea.
• 1:02:00
  Maybe not like in a in a game that was like super heavy on on,
• 1:02:06
  you know, social and political movement, I could see this being
• 1:02:08
  a fun thing. But here I kind of don't.
• 1:02:12
  Not that I don't see its place, but I don't know how necessary
• 1:02:14
  it is. Yeah, I mean, the way it worked
• 1:02:16
  before was you would spend money and essentially spending the
• 1:02:21
  money gave you different tiers of results.
• 1:02:23
  So it was a move without a role basically.
• 1:02:25
  And I don't know. Yeah, I feel like I liked that a
• 1:02:28
  little bit more, but I haven't played with it.
• 1:02:30
  So, you know. And then the other barter move
• 1:02:33
  is live day-to-day, which is just at the beginning of the
• 1:02:36
  session. Roll with your barter.
• 1:02:38
  If you get a ton plus you ask the MC what's free and easy.
• 1:02:41
  If you get a 7 to 9, you ask what's easy and what's hard.
• 1:02:45
  On the miss, you ask what's hard and what's impossible, which is
• 1:02:51
  to kind of say, how are things looking today more or less?
• 1:02:57
  Which is I feel like maybe a little tricky to manage for all
• 1:03:05
  four players or three players potentially doing that might be
• 1:03:11
  a little much to juggle. I don't know, but also you
• 1:03:18
  probably I'm, I wouldn't necessarily do it at the
• 1:03:20
  beginning of any of every session.
• 1:03:21
  It says at the beginning of the session, but I definitely think
• 1:03:24
  that if it's a, if the session stops in the middle of a day,
• 1:03:27
  like in the middle of some action, then the subsequent
• 1:03:29
  session, I'm not necessarily I, I would really do that on more
• 1:03:32
  of like when there's a fictional beginning of a day, you know
• 1:03:35
  what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Like when there's a break, 'cause if you're in the middle
• 1:03:39
  of something and then the next day rolls around and you're
• 1:03:41
  like, all right, roll live date today.
• 1:03:43
  It's like, wait, but we're, we started immediately.
• 1:03:45
  We're. Literally the same day.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah, we can't. That's weird.
• 1:03:52
  After that there is the second page of the basic moves preview.
• 1:03:57
  There's a little page called Making Moves.
• 1:04:00
  Basically it gives some guidance on simultaneous moves and like
• 1:04:04
  PvP situations and just how to handle them.
• 1:04:08
  So like it mentions, you know, two players want to move roll at
• 1:04:11
  the same time. It mentions tackling a challenge
• 1:04:15
  versus acting under fire and how that should work when you are
• 1:04:18
  attacking somebody. PC versus PC battles.
• 1:04:24
  Just general advice on that. Something it does mention at the
• 1:04:28
  top of this, which I thought was really interesting.
• 1:04:31
  So if you look at the very top of the making moves page as a it
• 1:04:36
  says it's your responsibility as a player to choose and announce
• 1:04:42
  the moves you are making by name, no?
• 1:04:49
  And I was like wait a minute, what?
• 1:04:50
  I thought we weren't supposed to say the name of the move was
• 1:04:52
  always the idea. In the AMA, someone said to
• 1:04:59
  Vincent Baker what is the biggest misconception about the
• 1:05:02
  game? And he said, oh, the idea that
• 1:05:06
  players aren't supposed to announce their moves.
• 1:05:08
  I never intended for that to be a thing.
• 1:05:12
  Oh. Yeah, I was like, what?
• 1:05:17
  So the whole idea of like, you're supposed to just say what
• 1:05:19
  you're doing, you know, let me see if I can find it.
• 1:05:25
  Biggest misconception? No, from this point I can't
• 1:05:29
  make. Where's your gold?
• 1:05:32
  No. What do you think?
• 1:05:33
  Oh, what do you think others really get wrong about your
• 1:05:36
  game? There's one core point about
• 1:05:38
  moves that we're highlighting A misconception that we really
• 1:05:41
  want to correct. In Apocalypse World, as a
• 1:05:43
  player, you choose your moves intentionally and announce them
• 1:05:46
  by name. You don't just say what your
• 1:05:48
  character does and leave it for the GM to choose your moves.
• 1:05:54
  Which I was like, wow, that's kind of a big up end of how most
• 1:05:58
  people have been doing it for most of the time.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah, that's a little that that, that feels like a departure.
• 1:06:03
  But I guess if that's how wait. So how did that come about?
• 1:06:07
  Where did that idea come from? Basically, I think what happened
• 1:06:11
  was there, the misunderstanding came from the MC section of the
• 1:06:15
  game because the MC section says to the MC never speak your
• 1:06:20
  moves. And the reason is because on the
• 1:06:24
  MC side of things, you don't need to speak your moves.
• 1:06:27
  You don't need to explain what you're doing, right.
• 1:06:29
  You can just, you just make decisions in reaction to the
• 1:06:32
  players and you don't need to roll any dice or anything.
• 1:06:35
  You're just making decisions. So you don't need to say what
• 1:06:39
  you're doing, but the players need to declare what they're
• 1:06:41
  trying to do because they're trying to get, you know, they're
• 1:06:45
  trying to beat whatever challenges in front of them.
• 1:06:48
  So they need to be clear on what they're using to beat the
• 1:06:50
  challenge that the. MC isn't.
• 1:06:51
  Supposed to speak the move so everyone thought that also
• 1:06:55
  applied to the players. Apparently it never did, yeah.
• 1:07:02
  So to recap the. Idea is that.
• 1:07:05
  The MCU should never ask a player what specific move
• 1:07:09
  they're trying. But if the players should say it
• 1:07:11
  back, no. The idea is that the player
• 1:07:14
  says. I'm sticking my gun in in.
• 1:07:19
  I'm sticking my gun in Jim's face and I'm demanding that he
• 1:07:23
  give me the money he owes me. I'm using demand something.
• 1:07:27
  That's how it's supposed to work.
• 1:07:29
  I want to use the move demand something and then the MCA says
• 1:07:33
  OK roll it. Right now.
• 1:07:36
  You could obviously there could be a back and forth.
• 1:07:38
  The MC might be like, well, I don't know if you're making that
• 1:07:40
  move, Maybe it's more like this move or whatever.
• 1:07:42
  But the idea is like the the player is supposed to be like
• 1:07:45
  I'm doing this thing, this is what I want and apparently
• 1:07:52
  everyone missed that. Myself included by the.
• 1:07:55
  Way I also had that misconception, so yeah.
• 1:08:01
  You do, in fact. Announce your moves, which I
• 1:08:08
  don't know, doesn't sound. Like that big of a deal, but it
• 1:08:10
  does recontextualize. A lot of like situations when
• 1:08:13
  you're running the game. So it's kind of like, wow,
• 1:08:14
  that's a that's kind of a interesting change.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah, sure. I will keep that in mind for the
• 1:08:20
  future. So yeah, the anyway the rest of
• 1:08:27
  that. Making the moves section is
• 1:08:29
  mostly. Like it's just a little bit of
• 1:08:30
  advice and then it briefly mentions XP an improvement.
• 1:08:36
  So XP has been changed so you do not highlight a stat.
• 1:08:43
  Instead every time you roll on a stat you mark it off.
• 1:08:47
  So like oh I rolled aggro and you mark like a check on your
• 1:08:49
  aggro. Once you have 4 marks on a stat,
• 1:08:53
  you erase those four and give yourself one XP.
• 1:08:56
  So you have to roll on a stat 4 times to then accrue one point
• 1:08:59
  of XP. There are.
• 1:09:03
  Also now. End of session questions that
• 1:09:07
  you ask that also a word XP. Which I like the end of session.
• 1:09:14
  Questions I don't like the new rolling stat thing to be honest.
• 1:09:19
  I much prefer highlighting A stat I I've always really liked
• 1:09:23
  that mechanic. So can you can you don't re
• 1:09:26
  explain how the new rolling stat thing works I'm.
• 1:09:27
  Trying to to get it ahead. So like you, you just have to
• 1:09:31
  roll a stat 4 times and then. The 4th roll converts to one
• 1:09:35
  point of XP, but it has to be the same stat.
• 1:09:39
  Or do you just have to roll 4? Times.
• 1:09:42
  No, no, you roll. You have to.
• 1:09:43
  Roll so during. As you're playing, there's
• 1:09:46
  little if you look at the character sheet, if you look at
• 1:09:49
  blend of the playbooks, there's a little XP track next to each
• 1:09:52
  stat, and then there's four bubbles.
• 1:09:55
  You have to fill up those four bubbles.
• 1:09:57
  And then once you do, you. Erase them and then that
• 1:10:00
  converts is to 1 into one XP point got.
• 1:10:03
  It and the way it. Used to work was if you.
• 1:10:08
  Was the player with the highest history with you.
• 1:10:11
  Would pick one of your stats to be your highlighted stat, and
• 1:10:14
  then the GM would pick a stat to be your highlighted stat, and
• 1:10:17
  every time you rolled one of your two highlighted stats, you
• 1:10:20
  got a point of XP. What I liked about that is it
• 1:10:27
  lets the player. One of the players and the GM
• 1:10:31
  nudge your character in a direction that they think is
• 1:10:34
  interesting, right? So I'm going to highlight your
• 1:10:37
  hard because I want to see you pick more fights with people,
• 1:10:40
  right? So I'm giving you a carrot to
• 1:10:42
  encourage you. I'm not saying you have to do
• 1:10:44
  it, but I'm encouraging you heavily so.
• 1:10:49
  Yeah, I, I don't. Love, I don't love that that's
• 1:10:52
  gone. I I feel like stat highlighting
• 1:10:54
  was a really cool idea and I don't know why he took that out.
• 1:11:01
  But yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know that was a that
• 1:11:06
  was. An odd choice to me.
• 1:11:07
  Yeah, I mean. I I guess the idea is they
• 1:11:10
  maybe? Wanted to slow down progression
• 1:11:12
  a little bit. So actually I, I think I wanted
• 1:11:14
  to bring this up. I I remember writing this
• 1:11:17
  somewhere. I don't know if I put it in a.
• 1:11:18
  Note section but. It seems like the game is trying
• 1:11:23
  to slow down and I think I originally.
• 1:11:28
  Wrote this down because it I I. I guess I'm wrong on this
• 1:11:31
  because the amount of improvements are the exact same.
• 1:11:33
  I don't know why I thought they were less in two in second
• 1:11:35
  edition, but maybe the idea is. That Mister Baker here.
• 1:11:41
  Is trying to appeal to a middle ground audience between the like
• 1:11:46
  10 to 30 session range where you have enough time to maybe really
• 1:11:51
  flesh a character out if that's what you really want, but you
• 1:11:53
  don't necessarily need to. You're they're just giving you
• 1:11:55
  that option for games that might go on a little longer.
• 1:11:58
  They are, are they the same amount of improvements?
• 1:12:00
  Yes, it's really hard to. Tell 23456789. 10 with 12345
• 1:12:09
  make sure to compare the same playbook.
• 1:12:10
  Yes, well, sorry the Skinner doesn't have let me check the.
• 1:12:14
  Brain Luminous The. Luminous is the Skinner
• 1:12:17
  equivalent 16 and the new one. Has. 12345678910 17 They have
• 1:12:30
  one more now, OK. Interesting, I mean.
• 1:12:37
  The. You're not entirely.
• 1:12:42
  Wrong though necessarily either. Because in one of the responses
• 1:12:48
  to one of the AMA questions, Vincent Baker kind of joked
• 1:12:53
  where he was like, well, I've always said that Apocalypse
• 1:12:56
  World stops it at stops at Tier 2 or whatever, or, or what, how
• 1:13:02
  do you phrase it? He was like, I've always said
• 1:13:03
  the game stops at Level 3 or something like that.
• 1:13:05
  And he was like, I feel like third edition is going to let
• 1:13:08
  you go up to level 5 or something.
• 1:13:10
  I forget exactly I phrase it. But he basically said, like,
• 1:13:12
  yeah, this, this version of the game is going to be able to
• 1:13:16
  extend its life a little bit more.
• 1:13:19
  So not only will there be a higher level cap.
• 1:13:21
  There will be a higher. Area or two level which means
• 1:13:24
  you're going to have to put more sessions in and more play in to
• 1:13:27
  reach those levels as well. OK, so I found it I.
• 1:13:31
  Also really like the new advanced moves.
• 1:13:35
  Sometimes I'll quit that. Apocalypse World is for a game
• 1:13:38
  of characters level 1 to 3. The new advanced moves let you
• 1:13:41
  play at level 4 before you retire.
• 1:13:45
  So you're. Onto something maybe?
• 1:13:49
  That being said, we haven't seen the new advanced moves so we
• 1:13:52
  don't know what that looks like, but you might be on some.
• 1:13:58
  Or or you. It sounds like yes, you are.
• 1:14:00
  You're picking up what he's putting.
• 1:14:02
  Down to some capacity, I don't know if it's exactly, I don't
• 1:14:05
  know if the way you're thinking about it and the way he's
• 1:14:06
  talking about it are necessarily the same, but it sounds like
• 1:14:08
  you're picking up on something there.
• 1:14:10
  They seem to be. They must be or not must be, but
• 1:14:12
  they appear to be similar at. At first glance, because that's
• 1:14:14
  the only reason why I would think about why it would take
• 1:14:17
  you that much more to level up. Right?
• 1:14:21
  4 rolls. Leveling is it feels unlikely
• 1:14:24
  that you will roll cool four times in one session.
• 1:14:28
  You might. You absolutely might.
• 1:14:30
  Probably not. Yeah, but you probably won't
• 1:14:32
  just based on what we've done in Dungeon World and how we did it
• 1:14:35
  in Monster Hearts. You roll, lash out physically,
• 1:14:41
  maybe once. Every other session.
• 1:14:44
  You all yeah, I mean, if you rolled it.
• 1:14:47
  Two or three times. In a session, yeah, that'd be
• 1:14:48
  like, that's quite a bit. Some shit is happening.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah, yeah, Shit's going down. Yeah.
• 1:14:57
  I I. Mean, yeah, I guess from that
• 1:14:58
  standpoint, maybe you're on to something.
• 1:15:00
  Like the idea of just trying to slow the progression just a
• 1:15:04
  little bit. There is also the.
• 1:15:08
  End of session moves. Though which weren't there
• 1:15:11
  before. So that will then speed it back
• 1:15:14
  up. So like, I don't know, they took
• 1:15:17
  away one element that was quick. But then added a.
• 1:15:20
  Different element in that's decently quick.
• 1:15:22
  So like I don't know exactly where it's going to fit.
• 1:15:24
  Also you do need you used to need five points of XP to
• 1:15:28
  improve, now you need 6. So they did also add another
• 1:15:31
  point of XP required so I don't know where it.
• 1:15:37
  Levels out necessarily. But it does seem like it is
• 1:15:40
  slower, which I mean, I guess I'm probably OK with, yeah, I
• 1:15:52
  mean, I the way he phrased that. The response to where he's like
• 1:15:57
  I. Often said Apocalypse World is
• 1:15:58
  level 1 to 3. The new advanced moves let you
• 1:16:00
  play at level 4. He's kind of like there's more,
• 1:16:04
  but there's not that much more, right?
• 1:16:06
  Like it's not like it's not like you can go to level 10 now.
• 1:16:10
  So I'm probably fine with that. But that's all.
• 1:16:21
  Speculation. We we can't say for sure.
• 1:16:27
  I don't know, because I know you.
• 1:16:28
  I see you. Got a couple of questions down
• 1:16:30
  here. Did you notice he had a pretty
• 1:16:32
  interesting response to niche protection?
• 1:16:35
  Did you see that? I don't remember.
• 1:16:40
  Maybe do you have the? Link to it.
• 1:16:42
  So I don't have the link to it, but I I actually copied it down.
• 1:16:46
  OK, the question is I saw a. Comment that I think you wrote
• 1:16:50
  saying you never intended to make it a rule for playbooks to
• 1:16:53
  be only used once per character, that instead it was to limit
• 1:16:56
  printing by GM. Do you still agree with that
• 1:16:59
  sentiment? How do you feel this impacts
• 1:17:01
  your slash other games? His answer was back in 2010,
• 1:17:05
  Apocalypse World's approach was to balance between the PCs and
• 1:17:09
  niche protection. What the Yeah, the approach to
• 1:17:14
  balance it was out of step with conventional wisdom.
• 1:17:17
  People took the rule that there's only one of each
• 1:17:18
  playbook to be for niche protection purposes, which meant
• 1:17:21
  they that they brought some of those ideas into the game.
• 1:17:25
  Pointing out that no, that rule exists for the benefit of the
• 1:17:28
  GMs port inkjet printer maybe seemed to disarm some of those
• 1:17:32
  ideas. These days I think that
• 1:17:34
  conventional wisdom about PC on PC balance and news protection
• 1:17:37
  has moved on, at least to some extent.
• 1:17:40
  I've always thought about setting up to play Apocalypse
• 1:17:42
  World. Like let's the let's everyone
• 1:17:45
  play hard holders, neighbors. Work together for instance.
• 1:17:47
  I don't know that anyone's ever tried it.
• 1:17:49
  So he's basically, he's saying that he's not against the idea
• 1:17:53
  that everyone is playing a hard holder or a gun lugger, but he's
• 1:17:56
  not sure that anyone's ever tried that.
• 1:17:58
  But he's never been against it. Or maybe he's not against it
• 1:18:00
  now. No, no, he's oh sorry, he's at
• 1:18:03
  all. So he's never been against.
• 1:18:04
  It yeah, he's. Never been against it, but maybe
• 1:18:07
  some strange wording misconstrued as to why he
• 1:18:12
  initially said One person per playbook, yeah.
• 1:18:19
  I don't. I mean, that's.
• 1:18:22
  Certainly. Interesting if for no.
• 1:18:24
  Other reason than the fact that a lot of people took that
• 1:18:27
  assumption about 1/1 one playbook per character and then
• 1:18:33
  extended it out into many, many other PBTA games and is still a
• 1:18:37
  common part of many PBTA games. Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Fucking Dungeon World. Yeah.
• 1:18:41
  One person per race. One person per class, yeah.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, well, not race, but class yes, or playbook, yes.
• 1:18:49
  Are you sure? I pretty I thought it was both.
• 1:18:51
  It was. It was.
• 1:18:52
  Just playbook because the the. Your race options are on the
• 1:18:57
  playbook. Oh, right, right.
• 1:18:59
  Yeah. If you're this thing, you can
• 1:19:00
  only be this or this. Right, right, right, right,
• 1:19:02
  right. You can be this or the, yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Dungeon World's one example, but I've seen others that basically
• 1:19:09
  say more or less the same thing. And yeah, I mean, it is kind of
• 1:19:15
  funny that a misunderstanding basically became a like a common
• 1:19:23
  practice. Certainly interesting I.
• 1:19:27
  Mean I, I mean I, I see what he's saying.
• 1:19:29
  Though too, there is definitely potential of everyone's playing
• 1:19:32
  this playbook. This might be kind of fun, you
• 1:19:33
  know? No for sure.
• 1:19:35
  I I kind of like the idea that like.
• 1:19:38
  You know, everyone's the base and we're all neighbor.
• 1:19:39
  Everyone has a base and we're all neighbors, yeah.
• 1:19:41
  Yeah. Like the idea that everybody is
• 1:19:43
  a volatile, we're all like. We're literally gun runners.
• 1:19:46
  That's kind of our whole thing. And you know, you might be like,
• 1:19:49
  oh, well, that limits you heavily.
• 1:19:51
  It's like it does. But that can that can be fun if
• 1:19:54
  you're like, let's say you're doing like a like a three or
• 1:19:56
  four shot like mini campaign. And the idea is that your
• 1:19:59
  armored convoy got knocked off by another gang and now you have
• 1:20:02
  to go into town and no one is good at bartering.
• 1:20:04
  Like, yeah, you can lead. It leads to some interesting.
• 1:20:08
  Situations, to say the least. Yeah, it is.
• 1:20:12
  It is funny that people. Misunderstood.
• 1:20:18
  I don't remember how it was. Worded all the way back in the
• 1:20:21
  1st edition of the. Game.
• 1:20:22
  So like, I don't remember, I couldn't necessarily take a
• 1:20:26
  guess as to why people misunderstood, but evidently
• 1:20:29
  people did. Evidently there were a lot of
• 1:20:32
  misunderstood. Assumptions that people have
• 1:20:34
  made. About the Paco's world that have
• 1:20:36
  now continued on for a long time.
• 1:20:40
  That must really bother him. I'd bother.
• 1:20:43
  The shit out of me. I don't know if it bothers him.
• 1:20:46
  That's a good point, I have no idea.
• 1:20:52
  Anyway, sort of moving so we the the making.
• 1:20:56
  Moves and the XP and improvement we.
• 1:20:58
  Just mentioned the last page of the basic of the like moves
• 1:21:03
  handout. The Kickstarter preview has the
• 1:21:05
  what are called standard moves. I'm really not, I'm, I don't
• 1:21:10
  feel like it's worth going into these because they are tied to
• 1:21:14
  very specific things that you get on a playbook by playbook
• 1:21:17
  basis and you're not going to care about them unless your
• 1:21:21
  playbook interacts with them. So like for example, there's the
• 1:21:25
  standard mood augury, which is a move you get like if you're a
• 1:21:31
  brainer. Or you're a hocus you're.
• 1:21:32
  Probably going to get augury at some point and it lets you like
• 1:21:35
  manipulate the psychic maelstrom, but if you're a
• 1:21:39
  volatile, you don't give a shit about augury.
• 1:21:41
  And then there's like the move behind the wheel, which only
• 1:21:44
  matters if you have a vehicle. And then there's like devotion,
• 1:21:47
  which only matters if you have a group of followers.
• 1:21:49
  So they're all, they are all bespoke rules for very specific
• 1:21:54
  situations that only matter sometimes.
• 1:21:56
  That being said, on a very broad level, they seem to work
• 1:22:00
  basically the same. When I was looking at them, they
• 1:22:02
  seem to all work pretty much the same as second edition, just
• 1:22:06
  with a little extra like a little more wording, a little
• 1:22:09
  more clarification, a little more like nuance to them, but
• 1:22:11
  other than that they seem to work the same, so nothing crazy
• 1:22:16
  there. Although I don't I don't think
• 1:22:22
  they. Were called.
• 1:22:25
  I don't think they were called standard moves.
• 1:22:26
  Before I would think. They had a different name, but
• 1:22:29
  yeah, so then. The Playbooks.
• 1:22:35
  We are not going to go over every playbook because there's a
• 1:22:38
  lot of them and it's a lot and also a lot of them are not.
• 1:22:43
  The differences are very minutiae, right?
• 1:22:46
  Like the brain picker, for example, is mostly the same.
• 1:22:52
  And then there's little tidbits in the playbook here and there
• 1:22:55
  of like, oh, this is worded a little differently.
• 1:22:57
  This works with this or like the fact that the brain picker now
• 1:23:00
  has the size stat. So now they have a move that
• 1:23:02
  relates to the size stat, right? Like most of them are like
• 1:23:07
  noodles and adjustments. So instead I'm just going to
• 1:23:11
  focus on the interesting bits and the ones that are new and
• 1:23:15
  kind of look at it broad strokes.
• 1:23:17
  So we have two totally. Brand new.
• 1:23:20
  Playbooks The Stand Out and the Restless.
• 1:23:25
  The Restless. I did you look at this one.
• 1:23:29
  I did not. It is.
• 1:23:32
  I It is so fucking sick. OK, so the.
• 1:23:34
  Restless is one of those ideas that I didn't know I wanted
• 1:23:37
  until I saw it. It is basically a post.
• 1:23:41
  Apocalypse Ranger. With an animal companion that
• 1:23:45
  works similar to the Dungeon World animal companion.
• 1:23:50
  So you're a guy with a dog, which is, you know, your Fallout
• 1:23:55
  guy. You're a guy with a dog, right?
• 1:23:57
  And you get to like make some decisions about your dog and
• 1:23:59
  whatnot. And when you when you make
• 1:24:01
  moves, the dog helps you with the different kinds of moves in
• 1:24:05
  different, various ways. The thing that's really sick
• 1:24:09
  though, about the Ranger? Or about the.
• 1:24:11
  The restless is that the move the genius design comes from
• 1:24:17
  Naturalist and Wanderer. Effectively, what these two
• 1:24:22
  abilities? Let you do.
• 1:24:25
  Is Naturalist let you declare creatures that exist in the
• 1:24:31
  world like this? I'm going to declare this
• 1:24:35
  monster exists, and then you're going to design it from the
• 1:24:38
  creature sheet, which is like a thing that the MC will hand you.
• 1:24:42
  That creature now exists, period, and you, as the Restless
• 1:24:45
  know about it. Your character can interact with
• 1:24:47
  it. It's a thing, and then the
• 1:24:50
  Wanderer lets. You do essentially the same.
• 1:24:53
  Thing, but instead of creatures lets you declare locations that
• 1:24:56
  are called inhospitables and you know about inhospitable places.
• 1:25:02
  And so you declare whenever there's like that.
• 1:25:04
  You do it when it the the way the game phrases it, when
• 1:25:06
  there's a break in play, you're like, I'm going to declare this
• 1:25:11
  inhospitable location. I know XY and Z thing about it
• 1:25:14
  and here's what I can get out of it.
• 1:25:16
  So basically you're a Ranger but rather than saying Oh my
• 1:25:21
  favorite terrain is XY or Z. You as the.
• 1:25:24
  Player create the monsters and the locations when they become
• 1:25:29
  relevant and then inject them into the game and now they
• 1:25:31
  exist. OK, that kind of sucks.
• 1:25:33
  I kind of love that. It's fucking sick dude.
• 1:25:35
  I would. Have never I was like that is.
• 1:25:37
  Kind of genius, actually. Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Love it. Love it.
• 1:25:44
  And biggest, biggest Sabranicus. Yeah.
• 1:25:50
  So basically. The Restless.
• 1:25:54
  Playbook lets you. Be cool Monster Hunter guy in
• 1:25:59
  post apocalypse situation and you get to make the monsters
• 1:26:03
  that you fight and know about and are like this is my cool
• 1:26:07
  thing. See, I would love this because
• 1:26:09
  that this is this is my shit and.
• 1:26:11
  We play games. I'm this guy who's like, what if
• 1:26:14
  I had came up with this like, no, I would play this.
• 1:26:17
  This is the one I want. Yeah, it's a good.
• 1:26:18
  And if you look at the if you look at the creating creatures.
• 1:26:21
  Page it's pretty it's pretty juicy.
• 1:26:24
  It's not like one or two sentences.
• 1:26:27
  Oh fuck yeah. Yeah, there's quite a lot there.
• 1:26:30
  So super sick. And then the whole creating your
• 1:26:34
  own inhospitable zones. It's like you're, you're you're.
• 1:26:41
  Creating your own favorite terrain.
• 1:26:46
  And then of course. You and then you also have a
• 1:26:47
  move called monster. Fighter, which is that you can
• 1:26:52
  fight enemies that are physically larger than you, and
• 1:26:54
  when you attack or do battle with a larger enemy, you're not
• 1:26:57
  outsized no matter how big they are.
• 1:26:59
  Which I don't know exactly what mechanical effect outsized is
• 1:27:02
  going to necessarily have, but based on that it's going to
• 1:27:06
  matter when you do battle with things.
• 1:27:08
  So you get to be Fallout. MC.
• 1:27:13
  Plus Geralt, which is like, yeah, it's pretty fired.
• 1:27:18
  No, yeah, I'm in. And then the other brand new
• 1:27:24
  playbook is the stand out. What?
• 1:27:30
  What is the you? Don't eat meat, but you.
• 1:27:32
  Stuck toast for. Breakfast.
• 1:27:33
  I'm in. Sorry.
• 1:27:38
  Fair enough. The other one is the stand out,
• 1:27:44
  and the stand out is this isn't exactly a new idea in the TTRPG
• 1:27:51
  space. In fact it's a really old idea.
• 1:27:54
  I just never thought about it in the context of Apocalypse World
• 1:27:57
  personally. And basically the stand out is a
• 1:28:01
  hireling playbook. That A.
• 1:28:03
  Player uses to play someone like a gang member or an NPC friend
• 1:28:08
  or like a temporary character. So it's like, oh, Jim and Bob
• 1:28:15
  are going on a quest and they're bringing along MPC Timmy and one
• 1:28:19
  of the other players character isn't going to be there.
• 1:28:21
  So the other player plays MPC Timmy instead and they use the
• 1:28:25
  stand out playbook as the way to play them.
• 1:28:30
  And again. It's, you know, it's like the
• 1:28:32
  the sidekick rules in. DND is kind of a similar idea
• 1:28:36
  and yeah I just never I would not have thought of.
• 1:28:42
  This. For Apocalypse.
• 1:28:44
  World but now that I've seen it, it definitely started giving me
• 1:28:47
  ideas. So mission accomplished.
• 1:28:51
  I would say I don't know are you does it does.
• 1:28:55
  That the thought of that intrigue you at all?
• 1:28:57
  It does, and I like I I think mainly for.
• 1:29:01
  The you can play more than one character thing now you could.
• 1:29:04
  This just feels like a more effective and efficient way of
• 1:29:09
  doing that where your main guy gets the the you know?
• 1:29:13
  The the care that you want. To give them because like, no
• 1:29:15
  matter what, if you're playing more than one character, it's
• 1:29:18
  going to get a little weird. Well, it can also kind of play
• 1:29:22
  your homies. Kind of love.
• 1:29:25
  Yeah, well, it can also be. It can also be that like your.
• 1:29:35
  Character died and you want to transition into a new character,
• 1:29:39
  but it's at a weird point so you're like, I don't know how to
• 1:29:41
  do it. It's like, OK, well, if you play
• 1:29:43
  a standout for a little while and then either you get rid of
• 1:29:46
  the standout later or you decide to upgrade the standout
• 1:29:49
  character into a full playbook character and then that's your
• 1:29:52
  new character, right? Like that's one of the really
• 1:29:55
  interesting uses that. I thought about for it I.
• 1:29:58
  Hadn't thought about it like that, actually, yeah.
• 1:30:01
  I feel like that has a lot of potential.
• 1:30:03
  That actually kind of happened in the game that I was playing
• 1:30:05
  when I was playing burned Over, where a character died or
• 1:30:08
  disappeared, and so the other player played an NPC and turned
• 1:30:13
  them into a full playbook at one point and then eventually got
• 1:30:17
  rid of them. Later or like.
• 1:30:20
  Side not got rid of them but they became like back to an MPC
• 1:30:23
  character. So yeah, it very would not have
• 1:30:30
  thought about it, but a cool idea.
• 1:30:35
  Couple other things I noted with.
• 1:30:36
  Some of the playbooks actually, one thing I noted just looking
• 1:30:42
  literally just right now, if you look at the improvement box and
• 1:30:48
  you look at the improvements below the line, So one is change
• 1:30:53
  your playbook, right? That's old.
• 1:30:54
  Another one is +1. Nanny stat, Yeah, OK, Unlock
• 1:30:57
  advanced moves, which is a thing that first and 2nd edition had.
• 1:31:02
  They had advanced moves unlock a game changer.
• 1:31:06
  What does that mean? Yeah, I, I, yeah.
• 1:31:12
  I don't know. And I I I.
• 1:31:14
  Don't. That's not true.
• 1:31:17
  I'm a filthy liar. I kind of know OK in.
• 1:31:22
  That there were. In the burned over hack.
• 1:31:27
  There were game changers that basically.
• 1:31:29
  Upended they like. Literally changed what was
• 1:31:36
  currently going. On OH.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah, so like 1 of. Them for example was you
• 1:31:43
  unlocked this thing called the lost swords and it just added
• 1:31:47
  mech suits to the setting oh fuck yes dude and then there's.
• 1:31:52
  Another one. Called.
• 1:31:53
  Epilogues which literally. Ended the game.
• 1:31:58
  It's called Epilogues. End the.
• 1:32:00
  Game period. Go around and ask everyone what
• 1:32:03
  happened to their characters thereafter.
• 1:32:05
  Take your time, say goodbye, good luck and godspeed.
• 1:32:12
  So yeah. So I actually I, I, I said I.
• 1:32:16
  Forgot I I literally forgot. That these were a thing until
• 1:32:19
  just now. So yeah, he's bringing.
• 1:32:24
  Those over. So that should certainly be
• 1:32:28
  interesting. I mean, don't know what those
• 1:32:31
  are going to look like. Another game changing the vault
• 1:32:35
  hunter. If not, you can get.
• 1:32:37
  Your cool power armor? True.
• 1:32:40
  Another game changer is the force door.
• 1:32:42
  The characters open a doorway to another dimension, another
• 1:32:45
  world, another timeline, another game and push through it.
• 1:32:48
  You can keep playing these characters and these.
• 1:32:50
  Yeah, you can keep playing these characters and these rules in
• 1:32:53
  the new world. Or else you could switch to
• 1:32:55
  different characters and different rules, if that makes
• 1:32:57
  more sense. That is so fucking funny.
• 1:33:00
  Yeah. Can you imagine porting?
• 1:33:03
  Your characters over to. Fucking dungeon.
• 1:33:06
  Worlds, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:07
  Just playing a whole new system. It's just fucking Isakai
• 1:33:09
  characters. Like what the fuck are we doing
• 1:33:11
  here? Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  So that that'll certainly be interesting I think.
• 1:33:20
  And then also the very last bullet is get with the MC for a
• 1:33:24
  custom improvement. I don't even.
• 1:33:28
  I hope there's some guidance in the main book on how.
• 1:33:30
  To handle that cause. Like, I don't know what that's
• 1:33:34
  going to look like. Anyways, some more general
• 1:33:39
  playbook stuff. The hairier got reworked.
• 1:33:44
  So the Harrier. Used to be the chopper and the
• 1:33:47
  chopper always kind of felt like the playbook with, I don't know,
• 1:33:51
  arguably the least love like it was it felt the most simple, but
• 1:33:55
  not in a way that was amazing necessarily.
• 1:33:59
  You basically the whole thing with the chopper was just you
• 1:34:01
  had a a biker gang. So now the Harrier is you still
• 1:34:05
  have a gang, but there's just there's a little more meat on
• 1:34:07
  the bones. There's a little more to it.
• 1:34:08
  First of all, you don't have to necessarily be a biker gang.
• 1:34:12
  You could have like 4 Wheelers. You also detail some more like
• 1:34:21
  not stats per SE but you detail more information about your gang
• 1:34:24
  and like you detail important MPCS in your gang and stuff.
• 1:34:28
  So there's just like more meat on the bones for the Harrier
• 1:34:31
  than there originally was for the for the chopper.
• 1:34:39
  I don't know. I couldn't think of.
• 1:34:40
  The word chopper for a second there, that's.
• 1:34:41
  Not a hard work. So I was, I was happy about.
• 1:34:45
  That then we. Have the other one I noticed was
• 1:34:48
  the operator. Is kind of.
• 1:34:50
  Interesting. So the operator in 3rd edition
• 1:34:52
  seems to be kind of a weird amalgamation of the old driver
• 1:34:57
  and the old version of the operator where the operator has
• 1:35:02
  these ports of call which act kind of similar to what the old
• 1:35:07
  operator's moonlighting move was.
• 1:35:10
  Well, also, well on top of all that, the the barter mechanics
• 1:35:18
  from second edition are removed from 3rd edition, which the
• 1:35:22
  reason that's relevant is because basically what happened
• 1:35:24
  with the operator was the operator existed in first
• 1:35:26
  edition and their whole thing was their main shtick was
• 1:35:30
  moonlighting, which is where they could like go around and do
• 1:35:32
  jobs for people and get money right?
• 1:35:34
  Yeah, in second edition, the he. Gave.
• 1:35:39
  Everyone these these barter options on their on the
• 1:35:45
  playbooks and those barter options kind of did what the
• 1:35:51
  operator was already doing. So the operator got axed.
• 1:35:58
  So now in 3rd edition, the operator.
• 1:36:00
  Is back but. It's reworked and also kind of
• 1:36:03
  combined with the driver. And part of the reason that it's
• 1:36:07
  back is because the idea that everyone had barter, bartering
• 1:36:12
  gigs that they could do are gone because barter got reworked.
• 1:36:16
  So I thought it was interesting that he got rid of it, changed
• 1:36:22
  it, came back around to it. Like you always love to see that
• 1:36:26
  where like you're. Like, oh, it sucks that this
• 1:36:28
  thing is gone. You're like.
• 1:36:29
  Oh, there it is. Nice.
• 1:36:31
  Yeah. I mean, I personally wasn't like
• 1:36:33
  all beat up. About the operator being gone,
• 1:36:35
  but I think it's interesting to to revisit it and I think it's
• 1:36:41
  interesting that it got combined with the driver because that
• 1:36:46
  does make a lot of sense that the driver would also be the guy
• 1:36:49
  who drives around and knows everybody and knows places that
• 1:36:52
  have useful stuff, right? Like that makes sense.
• 1:36:54
  I also feel like like, you know, this might be a little bit of.
• 1:36:59
  Like cutting down. Great because of the the
• 1:37:01
  Harrier's whole thing is has. Vehicle goes around doing shit.
• 1:37:05
  Kind of weird to have two of those guys feel well, they had a
• 1:37:08
  similar. The Harrier's whole thing is I
• 1:37:10
  have a gang. With vehicles, the operator is I
• 1:37:14
  have a really sick car or vehicle of some kind.
• 1:37:19
  Like the operator is Mad Max, the Harrier is Chris Hemsworth
• 1:37:24
  character Dementus Dementus. Yes, the Harrier is.
• 1:37:28
  Dementus, the operator. Is Mad Max.
• 1:37:31
  That's the distinction on that one.
• 1:37:33
  That being said, if there was an operator and a driver, yes, then
• 1:37:37
  then I would say yeah, you're starting to get into the messy.
• 1:37:40
  Confusion A. Little bit 'cause Mad Max is
• 1:37:41
  kind of an operator in that sense, right?
• 1:37:43
  Like that does make sense, yeah. So, yeah.
• 1:37:51
  And then we, we talked about this four or or no, actually
• 1:37:55
  this was pre recording. Pre recording.
• 1:37:58
  We mentioned the playbooks in general have all gotten a little
• 1:38:02
  more complex, a little more complicated.
• 1:38:05
  There's more stuff going on. I would say in my opinion, we
• 1:38:11
  are bordering on the edge of two complex right on the edge.
• 1:38:16
  Like if you go a little bit further, it might be too much.
• 1:38:19
  I think we're OK right now. I don't know if I don't know if
• 1:38:23
  you agree with that or not, but I so I'm taking a little bit
• 1:38:27
  more of an. Extreme take than you are.
• 1:38:28
  I think we are. We are.
• 1:38:31
  I think we've hit it. We've hit the line.
• 1:38:34
  The line. Anything more than this and it's
• 1:38:37
  super because again, like I don't feel like A and I know
• 1:38:40
  what's on the back and I know it's a checklist, but I didn't
• 1:38:43
  feel like effects and hard zones need to be there at all.
• 1:38:46
  Like I would prefer you know on starts says this where there is
• 1:38:52
  a separate check off. Sheet.
• 1:38:55
  That you have right? Like it's the IT sounds like
• 1:38:57
  you're more just complaining about.
• 1:38:59
  Sheet density, though, it's that, but it's it's it's it.
• 1:39:05
  Is a fragment that it's indicative of a greater whole.
• 1:39:08
  We're getting more complex and you're seeing it in the most
• 1:39:12
  visible way on the character sheets.
• 1:39:13
  You know what I mean, I guess. I, I I'm more.
• 1:39:20
  Saying there's a bit more mechanic.
• 1:39:24
  There's, there's arguably we're on.
• 1:39:26
  The edge of a little too much mechanically noodle noodliness
• 1:39:29
  for some of the playbooks is what I'm saying.
• 1:39:32
  Perfect example is you. You pointed it out yourself on
• 1:39:34
  your. Notes Why is there an ammo
• 1:39:36
  tracker that feels kind of weirdly out of place here?
• 1:39:40
  And that's that's. A piece of the character sheet,
• 1:39:42
  right? Like so yeah, I don't know what.
• 1:39:46
  That's going to look like. I don't know what that's going
• 1:39:48
  to be. Every playbook now has their own
• 1:39:51
  custom weapons and the OR every playbook has their own custom
• 1:39:58
  like gear list and some of the gear.
• 1:40:00
  The gear that has the ammo tag has little circles you can fill
• 1:40:06
  in which would imply an ammo count.
• 1:40:08
  Now. Apocalypse Roiled in the
• 1:40:09
  previous two editions just disregarded ammo as a mechanic.
• 1:40:13
  It was like don't worry about it.
• 1:40:14
  The only time ammo is relevant is if a player is like.
• 1:40:18
  If a basically, if a player fails a role, one of the hard
• 1:40:22
  moves you could do would be like, oh, you're out of ammo, so
• 1:40:24
  you can't use that gun until you like find a place to get ammo or
• 1:40:28
  scavenge Rammo or something like that.
• 1:40:29
  That's kind of the idea of how ammo was treated.
• 1:40:31
  It would be like a situational thing that the GM could use
• 1:40:34
  against you if things were going poorly for you.
• 1:40:37
  Now there's this ammo counter, but we don't know how it works
• 1:40:40
  yet because there's no we don't have the rules rules, so it
• 1:40:46
  might not be a huge deal if it. Works like dungeon.
• 1:40:49
  World ammo then I'm not too bothered, but if it's if it's
• 1:40:54
  more noodling than that, I'm going to be a little annoyed.
• 1:40:57
  So do you know what was the game that I think handled ammo really
• 1:40:59
  well? Wrath and Glory, the 40K system.
• 1:41:04
  I have no idea how that. Game does it pretty much every
• 1:41:06
  time you roll. To shoot, you roll.
• 1:41:09
  A die because the idea is that you're not like a perfect shot,
• 1:41:12
  right? You're kind of there's a little
• 1:41:13
  bit of spray and pray involved and every time that you
• 1:41:16
  succeeded to maintain ammo, you got a little tick up that made
• 1:41:19
  it harder for the next role. So eventually you were going to
• 1:41:22
  run out of ammo no more what and if you were really unlucky.
• 1:41:25
  The idea is that like a person is, you know, you dive and dodge
• 1:41:29
  it and. You're spraying.
• 1:41:30
  Trying to get them in the venue, you know you get the click,
• 1:41:32
  click, click. I mean that is that has an
• 1:41:35
  element. Of similarity to dungeon.
• 1:41:37
  World where basically when you would do the volley move, if you
• 1:41:41
  got a 7 to 9, one of the options you could choose was make the
• 1:41:46
  shot but dock your ammo by 1 and then you could go and refill
• 1:41:51
  your ammo when you got to A. Place that you could
• 1:41:53
  potentially. Buy ammo.
• 1:41:54
  So yeah, it's kind of a similar idea of like, yeah, keep rolling
• 1:41:57
  to see what happens and then if it goes poorly, you dock the
• 1:41:59
  ammo. If it's something like that,
• 1:42:02
  then I won't be, like I said, I won't be too bothered either
• 1:42:06
  either Dungeon World or the example you just gave, like,
• 1:42:08
  yeah, I'm kind of OK with either of those.
• 1:42:11
  I just don't want to track the minutiae of shots or something
• 1:42:14
  like that. Like that feels weird.
• 1:42:19
  But how much you there, we'll see, we'll see.
• 1:42:22
  We don't know. But yes, there is a couple
• 1:42:26
  elements on the character sheet that go maybe we're getting just
• 1:42:29
  a smidge, A smidge too complex, too complex.
• 1:42:32
  And the only reason I really say that is just because in terms of
• 1:42:36
  game style, I don't feel like Apocalypse World is going to
• 1:42:41
  benefit from being super like more noodly.
• 1:42:45
  I don't think is necessarily the goal.
• 1:42:47
  There's some elements of the game that I think a little more,
• 1:42:49
  a little more mechanical depth makes sense.
• 1:42:53
  But not everything it's it's a, it's a delicate tightrope.
• 1:43:02
  And then little final notes. On the playbooks, so we also
• 1:43:07
  have two other kinds of playbooks basically we have the
• 1:43:13
  extended playbooks and the Warriors of the World Ablaze
• 1:43:17
  playbooks. So extended playbooks are
• 1:43:20
  something that every version of Apocalypse World has had.
• 1:43:23
  They are basically, they're normal.
• 1:43:27
  They're playbooks that fit into the game fine, but they're
• 1:43:31
  always going to be weirder than the bass playbooks, and they
• 1:43:35
  tend to require a little more expertise or know how on the
• 1:43:39
  GM's part to make them run smoothly.
• 1:43:42
  And it seems like this is still the case for 3rd edition to go
• 1:43:47
  down the list of what I mean by they're weirder and harder to
• 1:43:50
  deal with. The burned over extended
• 1:43:53
  playlists are the Bloodhound, which is somebody grappling with
• 1:43:57
  the mysteries of reality. The child Thing, a feral kid,
• 1:44:00
  not quite human. The Contaminated, a disease
• 1:44:04
  vector for apocalyptic horror. No one haunted by trauma and
• 1:44:08
  visions of a forgotten past. The Quarantine.
• 1:44:10
  A soldier locked in stasis from before the world ended.
• 1:44:13
  Which is that? The quarantines in the preview
• 1:44:15
  PDF? The symbiote, a compound entity
• 1:44:20
  and hive mind. Oh, that's a yeah, You play a
• 1:44:24
  symbiote creature, The Undaunted.
• 1:44:29
  Yeah, The Undaunted A. Fearless.
• 1:44:31
  Parent of a real. Or metaphorical Child, the
• 1:44:34
  Vigilant on guard against the wolves of the Maelstrom, the
• 1:44:38
  Weaponized, a combat Cyborg who survived the Apocalypse.
• 1:44:41
  Or the X Earther, descended from refugees who rode out the
• 1:44:45
  Apocalypse on in Earth's orbit. Oh, and then the last one is a
• 1:44:49
  Forerunner. The apocalypse is happening
• 1:44:52
  right now, not 50 years ago. I like that.
• 1:44:57
  Yeah. So an entire playbook that
• 1:44:59
  changes the. Way that the game is going.
• 1:45:00
  To be played because it goes from the apocalypse happened to
• 1:45:04
  the apocalypse is happening right now just based on that
• 1:45:07
  playbook being in play, right? So the extended playbooks are a
• 1:45:12
  little more to deal with. So if you're not an experienced
• 1:45:16
  MC of Apocalypse World, you're probably not going to want to
• 1:45:18
  deal with them. It might be a little too much.
• 1:45:22
  I will say the weaponized we actually had a weaponized
• 1:45:25
  character in the in the campaign that I was a player in.
• 1:45:29
  Yes, we had a robot man. He was very cool.
• 1:45:32
  He was he was a basically a a war weapon from the before times
• 1:45:36
  was like sealed out of his cryo containment tube.
• 1:45:44
  So yeah, that's the extended playbooks.
• 1:45:46
  And then the Warriors, the warriors of the, yeah, warriors
• 1:45:50
  of the world ablaze are playbooks that are swords and
• 1:45:56
  sword. And.
• 1:45:56
  Sorcery style playbooks but in a post apocalypse.
• 1:45:59
  So the idea is like instead of the apocalypse causing the
• 1:46:02
  psychic maelstrom, the apocalypse caused everyone to
• 1:46:05
  acquire magic powers. I'm very.
• 1:46:09
  Excited to see how these turn. Out 'cause obviously there's a
• 1:46:12
  lot of potential for these. We got a preview of two of them,
• 1:46:18
  and I don't have much to say yet because we only got 2.
• 1:46:24
  We got the Harrow Queen and the the hunting kite and hunter
• 1:46:30
  hunt. Hunting, hunting kite.
• 1:46:31
  Hunting kite. Yeah, the Harrow Queen is
• 1:46:34
  basically like a weird cult queen leader there.
• 1:46:40
  How does the how does it describe it?
• 1:46:42
  The chosen leader of a Fearson independent enclave.
• 1:46:47
  And then the hunting kite is a warrior and killer.
• 1:46:50
  Quick and almost untouchable. So like ninja ninja killer the
• 1:46:55
  hunter guy and like weird enclave of magic shit wizard
• 1:47:01
  lady. The two things I did notice
• 1:47:06
  that. Gives me some.
• 1:47:08
  That intrigued me. Is that we don't have a lot from
• 1:47:13
  the. Previews, but in the Harrow.
• 1:47:15
  Queen, it specifically mentions the a standard move called
• 1:47:19
  sorcery, a standard move which is similar to like the augury
• 1:47:24
  and the wealth and the behind the wheel, right?
• 1:47:25
  Those moves a standard move for sorcery.
• 1:47:29
  Which is interesting 'cause that I'm curious to see how Baker's
• 1:47:32
  going to interpret like spell casting mechanics in Apocalypse
• 1:47:37
  World basically. And then the hunting.
• 1:47:41
  Kite has a. Stat question mark.
• 1:47:44
  I don't know if it's a stat per SE, but it has like a unique
• 1:47:48
  stat thing called malice and a couple of its move reference
• 1:47:52
  this. Malice stat.
• 1:47:54
  And you roll. You can like, roll plus malice.
• 1:47:58
  So Oh, Harrow Queen has malice too, Yeah.
• 1:48:01
  Oh, is it in OK I? Didn't see it in there.
• 1:48:03
  So I don't know what that's going to look like.
• 1:48:06
  It sounds like a unique stat for sounds like it's going to be a
• 1:48:10
  unique step for this for this part of the game, this is going
• 1:48:15
  to be. In the main game too, it's.
• 1:48:16
  Going to be like a, it's going to be like an optional bit of
• 1:48:18
  the game basically, so I don't. Have a ton to say on the
• 1:48:24
  Warriors. Blaze, but I'm very intrigued to
• 1:48:26
  see where they go. Hopefully it'll be cool.
• 1:48:32
  I kind of, yeah. I mean.
• 1:48:33
  I like that the the hunting. Kite you get a bunch of cool
• 1:48:36
  shit, like you get a distinctive sword or a distinctive.
• 1:48:39
  Dagger or a? Distinctive special weapons, and
• 1:48:42
  I could very easily remake my boy Samir with the distinctive
• 1:48:45
  hand weapon with wool, wool chain blade.
• 1:48:48
  Yeah, the Hunting Kite has a little bit of the Battle Babe's
• 1:48:50
  custom weapon. Thing going on, so yeah.
• 1:48:57
  See I I'm. I'm definitely excited to see
• 1:48:59
  where. This little element of the game.
• 1:49:00
  Goes and I didn't expect it to happen, but here we are.
• 1:49:06
  I was kind of jumping around on. The AMA question, so I don't
• 1:49:09
  necessarily need to say a lot or we don't need to go through
• 1:49:13
  them, go through all of them. We've jumped.
• 1:49:15
  We jumped around and mentioned, I mentioned a bunch of them
• 1:49:17
  already, couple ones that I thought were interesting.
• 1:49:23
  Somebody asked what are you most changes from from the previous
• 1:49:28
  editions? What are you most excited about?
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  And Vincent Baker said the new stand out playbook is one that
• 1:49:33
  he's really excited about. And he said he really likes the
• 1:49:36
  new advanced moves and that's where he made the comment about
• 1:49:39
  the fourth level play. So I'm curious to see what the
• 1:49:41
  new advanced moves are. That's that's enticing.
• 1:49:45
  I would say if he's really excited.
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  About the new advanced moves. Because advanced moves are
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  pretty cool. They basically give you a crit,
• 1:49:51
  more or less. They give you like a if you.
• 1:49:57
  They make it so that if. You roll A12 plus you.
• 1:49:59
  Get like new options. Somebody asked about the.
• 1:50:06
  Sword and sorcery playbooks and. Basically the design brief is
• 1:50:11
  sword and sorcery playbooks that slot into the rules as is.
• 1:50:15
  I've hit the brief close to, but not quite 100%.
• 1:50:17
  They bring along with them a few new tags, new standard moves,
• 1:50:20
  things like this, things like that.
• 1:50:23
  You can mix them in with the core play books without any
• 1:50:26
  friction if you're thoughtful about it.
• 1:50:28
  I'm really excited about them. So I like everything he's saying
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  on those bad boys, cause yeah. The idea that you can mix or.
• 1:50:38
  Match them or make them their own thing means there should be
• 1:50:41
  some good meat on those bones. We talked about the hard.
• 1:50:46
  Versus aggro thing. Somebody, oh somebody asked
• 1:50:53
  about if the MPC or sorry if the MC Prep rules are going to be.
• 1:51:02
  Drastically different. For a third edition and
• 1:51:04
  basically like no, some added stuff for the new rules, but the
• 1:51:10
  the base idea is still there. Oh yeah, somebody.
• 1:51:18
  Another person. Asked about.
• 1:51:21
  They said that I've always seen Apocalypse World as a game
• 1:51:23
  about. Community and how?
• 1:51:24
  Different people wield power and influence.
• 1:51:27
  Are there any new mechanics for the GM and players to engage
• 1:51:30
  with on that level? Yes, There's stuff scattered all
• 1:51:33
  over the place, but this is the whole basis for the new barter
• 1:51:36
  system. In this edition, you don't spend
• 1:51:38
  cash, You don't spend barter as cash, you roll it.
• 1:51:43
  And it explicitly includes power and influence, not just wealth.
• 1:51:47
  Which, Yeah. So basically he's saying there
• 1:51:52
  is stuff scattered throughout to reinforce that community like
• 1:51:56
  struggle vibe. That one we already did.
• 1:52:04
  You do announce your moves that. Oh yeah.
• 1:52:05
  Somebody he the misconception thing.
• 1:52:09
  Oh yeah. This was I thought was an
• 1:52:10
  interesting comment. I don't know what to make of
• 1:52:12
  this, but he said where is it? Oh, any advice to someone
• 1:52:19
  jumping into third edition as their first foray into
• 1:52:21
  Apocalypse World when it's done? 3rd edition to the easiest
• 1:52:25
  Apocalypse World yet to jump into.
• 1:52:27
  You know how everybody says to play PBTA games you have to
• 1:52:31
  forget D&D and play the game on its own terms.
• 1:52:34
  My advice for Apocalypse World third edition would be play it
• 1:52:37
  on its own terms. You might also have to set aside
• 1:52:40
  what you know about PBTA. Oh yeah, I don't know what.
• 1:52:48
  That means well. I was like, OK.
• 1:52:54
  I'll keep an open. Mind, I guess.
• 1:52:56
  Sure, yeah. I mean, right.
• 1:53:02
  Like I, I, I don't, I don't. Really know what it means by
• 1:53:04
  that. Stuff.
• 1:53:06
  You mean stuff and things like I it?
• 1:53:07
  Could mean a lot. There's a lot of potential
• 1:53:09
  things. That could mean, yeah.
• 1:53:10
  I mean, there's the, there's the really like.
• 1:53:15
  What is it the? The John Romero's about to make
• 1:53:18
  you his bitch. Like it's kind of got that vibe
• 1:53:20
  to it. Like, what the fuck are we
• 1:53:21
  talking about? Hopefully it doesn't end up like
• 1:53:23
  whatever the fuck that game was called.
• 1:53:24
  The camera was called Ultra Killers.
• 1:53:25
  Did you talk about Die Cortana? Yeah, Die Cortana.
• 1:53:29
  Yeah, Hopefully that's not. What?
• 1:53:31
  No, hopefully not. Another comment that he made to
• 1:53:40
  somebody else that. Also is like, what do you mean
• 1:53:41
  by that, Sir? He said the person says what do
• 1:53:46
  you like most about? PBTA about.
• 1:53:48
  What PBTA became as an RPGRPG genre and the last little bit
• 1:53:54
  he's he gave a longer answer, but the last little bit of the
• 1:53:57
  answer was this means that the thing that all PBTA games and
• 1:54:01
  have in common is they all contradict Apocalypse World in
• 1:54:04
  some important way. It was kind of like.
• 1:54:10
  What? I guess I should, actually, it's
• 1:54:13
  not that long, he said. I like.
• 1:54:14
  Most the diversity I. Like to say this games don't
• 1:54:18
  have parents and children. They aren't biological.
• 1:54:20
  When one game influences another, it doesn't replicate
• 1:54:22
  itself like genetics. It inspires and provokes.
• 1:54:25
  A new game isn't descended from the games that came before, it
• 1:54:28
  answers back to them. This means that the thing all
• 1:54:31
  Pbta games have in common is they all contradict in
• 1:54:34
  Apocalypse World in some important ways.
• 1:54:38
  Again, I don't I don't know what the.
• 1:54:39
  Fuck. You mean by that Kelby Bryant?
• 1:54:40
  I don't really know. Yeah.
• 1:54:41
  That's yeah, I don't really know.
• 1:54:45
  So he had a couple, yeah. There was a.
• 1:54:48
  Those are a couple I pointed out, but yeah.
• 1:54:54
  That. He.
• 1:54:56
  Had a couple of responses where I was like I.
• 1:54:57
  Don't know what to do with that, but it's interesting.
• 1:55:04
  And then. Oh, and the.
• 1:55:05
  Last little one I. Marked was that he's really
• 1:55:08
  excited about the Warriors Ablaze playbooks 'cause they're
• 1:55:10
  challenging to make and they're fun.
• 1:55:11
  Which, yeah, makes sense. And of the core playbooks, his
• 1:55:15
  favorites are the the Stand Out and the Harrier, at least at
• 1:55:19
  this moment. In the hack book, the Harrier
• 1:55:21
  was much worse and didn't hold together very well.
• 1:55:24
  The new Harrier keeps what was good about the hack book version
• 1:55:27
  and brings in what was good about the chopper and builds on
• 1:55:29
  both. No, he is pleased with the work.
• 1:55:35
  On his work on the Harrier. So yeah, that was that was the.
• 1:55:40
  Last one I had. Mentioned I am.
• 1:55:51
  I'll, I'll be honest. Actually as like a, as like a.
• 1:55:55
  Closing thought. My very, very first response to
• 1:55:58
  when I saw this Kickstarter was I don't know if I actually want
• 1:56:02
  this. That was my very initial
• 1:56:04
  response. You didn't know that you wanted
• 1:56:07
  a third edition? Yeah.
• 1:56:10
  Well, two things. One I.
• 1:56:11
  Didn't fully understand that it was.
• 1:56:13
  A third edition, I was slightly confused because he called it
• 1:56:15
  burned over and I was like wait a minute, but burned over
• 1:56:18
  already exists. So that was my first confusion
• 1:56:22
  and then the other then after that I was kind of like I.
• 1:56:24
  Don't know if I. Want 'cause I had played the
• 1:56:28
  burned over hack book I was like I.
• 1:56:29
  Don't know if I want. A full version of that game that
• 1:56:32
  I played there. Like I don't know if I like a
• 1:56:35
  lot of the changes that it was making, but reading his
• 1:56:42
  responses. To the AMA and reading what's in
• 1:56:44
  the preview. Stuff I am now I he has won me.
• 1:56:48
  Over. And I'm like, OK, I'm excited.
• 1:56:50
  Now, so it worked out. Yeah, fair enough.
• 1:56:57
  I had like a. Questionable initial.
• 1:56:58
  Response and then. Was like, all right, fair
• 1:57:02
  enough. You know, I, you know what's
• 1:57:06
  funny? I had AI had an interesting.
• 1:57:07
  Kind of opposite reaction to. To Tom Bloom, because he he put
• 1:57:11
  something out a little while ago for like what his next game was
• 1:57:16
  going to be. And I think he basically was
• 1:57:18
  like, I'm there's no way for me to, to remove dice rolls at all,
• 1:57:23
  like completely from a tabletop game, but I'm going to see us
• 1:57:25
  how far I can get. And like.
• 1:57:26
  I don't want that though. There is a.
• 1:57:31
  There is actually a P. BTA game that.
• 1:57:33
  Has no dice rolls at all. It's called Undying.
• 1:57:38
  And you you play a coterie of vampires.
• 1:57:45
  Yeah, I don't know if. I don't I I like math rocks too
• 1:57:47
  much. I don't want to I.
• 1:57:48
  Yeah, that was kind of my response.
• 1:57:50
  I I remember looking into. Undying one time and I know a
• 1:57:52
  lot of people said it was really interesting.
• 1:57:54
  I don't remember. If I remember correctly, the way
• 1:57:57
  it works is you kind of like you.
• 1:57:59
  Barter. With like a currency that you
• 1:58:01
  all have, I think was the mechanic, but I don't totally
• 1:58:04
  remember if I'm being honest. But yeah, I, I.
• 1:58:14
  Yeah, I don't know the. Removing dice thing I find a
• 1:58:18
  little like. I don't know why.
• 1:58:21
  Why do you want to remove? Dice I guess would be my.
• 1:58:24
  Question, other that, do you just want to do it as like a
• 1:58:26
  flex to just see if you could do it?
• 1:58:28
  Maybe. I don't know.
• 1:58:29
  I yeah, I don't know. It's also weird because he made
• 1:58:30
  a board game, Magnegothica Malagaste.
• 1:58:35
  Which? Is and.
• 1:58:37
  Get much more dice heavy than a board game.
• 1:58:40
  Well, maybe that's why. Maybe he went so dice.
• 1:58:42
  Heavy. He went so heavy in.
• 1:58:43
  One Direction. Now he wants to see if he can go
• 1:58:45
  the complete opposite. Fucking maybe.
• 1:58:48
  Maybe. I don't know, I'm just guessing.
• 1:58:51
  I I, I mean, I'm OK with the idea of.
• 1:58:53
  Removing dice if you replace. It with some kind of different
• 1:58:56
  random generation of some kind, you know 'cause like.
• 1:59:03
  For me, it's not the dice themselves, it's.
• 1:59:07
  Just the idea of the random number generation creating
• 1:59:10
  unexpected events. So like if the game is based.
• 1:59:15
  On a deck of cards, for example. Or fucking throwing jacks on the
• 1:59:20
  table or some shit, fine. It doesn't have to be diced
• 1:59:24
  necessarily in my book. Yeah.
• 1:59:27
  I mean, if there's if there's something to to.
• 1:59:28
  Generate the random numbers. Then it should be fine.
• 1:59:31
  Yeah. Yeah, that's Dredge.
• 1:59:33
  Dred doesn't use dice, but I want to play that as well.
• 1:59:35
  Right, because. There is, you know Dred is a
• 1:59:38
  Jenga tower, which is a weird way to do it, but it works.
• 1:59:42
  No, yeah. So yes, I am.
• 1:59:47
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:59:48
  I'm excited. I don't know.
• 1:59:49
  I mean, of course I'm excited. I don't know how you're feeling.
• 1:59:53
  I don't know if looking. I mean, I don't really have a
• 1:59:54
  dog in this race, but I'm. Interested.
• 1:59:56
  What do you mean you don't have a dog in this race?
• 2:00:00
  But like. I.
• 2:00:03
  Like would. I run apocalypse.
• 2:00:06
  World. Maybe?
• 2:00:08
  What I'm more interested in is to see how.
• 2:00:10
  This. Re recontextualizes Pbta for the
• 2:00:15
  next generation of games. Restarts Pbta again.
• 2:00:18
  Yeah, yeah. I could see if it's as if it's
• 2:00:22
  as divisive. And are changing.
• 2:00:26
  As he is. Describing it then you know some
• 2:00:30
  crazy shit bound to happen. Probably.
• 2:00:33
  Yeah. No, that's fair.
• 2:00:34
  Yeah, seeing what? They're I'm not necessarily it's
• 2:00:38
  not the product itself, but it's is the knock on effect.
• 2:00:41
  Yeah, Yeah, that's fair. All right, all right.
• 2:00:46
  That has been us. I have nothing else to add.
• 2:00:52
  That has been us. Go buy Apocalypse World.
• 2:00:55
  That's what I'll say. Go buy Apocalypse World.
• 2:00:57
  Game good, Game good. Game good.
• 2:01:02
  Go back, go back.