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EDP55: Kiplimo NEW Half Marathon WR / Nagoya marathon / Bohermeen half results / Preview of Malaga & Bath Half · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another.
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  Easy double yeah. From the track to the rodeo we
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  talk that talk splits on the watch but we still take the
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  Mick. Dean in Perth with the long run.
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  Legs go and break the fire when the session gets thick.
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  Ryan in the mix with the numbers and plans.
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  From ever sauce the metals. Yeah, we.
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  Break it all down. Hard graft Monday, left about a
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  Sunday still. Hello and welcome back to the
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  Easy Double Podcast episode 55. I'm joined as always by the two
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  Co hosts. Firstly, Dean Menzies, how are
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  we doing? It actually is Monday evening
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  this week. It is back to normal.
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  BIU not doing well, gym session in got a lift in, kids in bed
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  asleep so no laughs good. You also got a run in around
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  that gym. I did, yeah.
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  Tom did mention those. He was impressed to see me run
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  to and from the gym. So yeah, feel like I'm close to
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  quite inching towards back to normal.
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  I would be impressed to see you run as well if it showed up on
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  my strawberry feed. Yeah, I'm about to been there.
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  But anyway, I've done well. I've done well to just do what
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  I'm told. I just get told what to do
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  everywhere these days so. Listeners, what what are they
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  doing to? Is Dean Owens private and Dean's
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  private? No, I'm sharing my shit now.
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  The. Whole point is the whole point
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  is so that they tune into this Ryan to it's to I'm getting to
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  download the episode on Spotify. Right, I like it.
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  Owen, how are you doing midday over there?
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  Yeah, mid over here, no doing good today was went for a little
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  run. I feel like I'm a little buzz a
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  baby whale trying to run now. I just feel like I've lost
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  everything. My heart rate was even it's only
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  been a week. I feel like my heart rate's high
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  already, but umm, didn't have to wear a head torch.
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  I only have to wear hives. So the mornings are getting
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  really bright. And I think the arrow goes back
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  now at the end of the month, so I'm not sure how that's going to
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  affect recording. But yeah.
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  So it'll be really bright now in the morning.
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  So we're through the worst of the dark mornings, thank the
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  Lord. Good.
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  How was the trip? Trip was on rail and the food in
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  Italy, guys, if I ever go missing, I'll be over there.
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  The pizza, the pasta, the Gelato, tight tiramisu for the
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  first time, unbelievable. For all for the first time,
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  unbelievable. And the only thing like the one
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  for a tour of the Vatican. Like first of all, you do so
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  much walking in Italy, like with the thing, with the Colosseum
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  thing, you get like the Colosseum tour that and then you
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  can get like the Forum and this Pantene Hill.
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  And we made the rookie mistake of doing the Colosseum and going
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  straight to different place and you'd be walking around these
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  other sites for like 5 hours and you wouldn't see everything.
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  It is ginormous. And all the absolute dining
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  machines. So yeah, I was pretty hungry.
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  And then with the Vatican, yeah. To see all these, like,
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  beautiful rooms and like all the ceilings are painted.
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  And by the time you actually get to the Sistine Chapel, I feel
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  like you're so desensitized and like, you're like, oh, it's just
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  another painted ceiling. And like, you don't really
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  appreciate that. But no, I think one day I got
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  like 40,000 steps. So yeah, I was trying to burn
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  off whatever I was eating because I was eating a lot.
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  It's actually. Quite like, I can't remember how
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  hot it was the day we went into, but the Sistine Chapel and
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  looking up and by the time we went there was so packed and it
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  was stinking hot. And I was like, yeah, what?
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  Wasn't soaking it up like I probably thought I would in my
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  mind. I think we went to a good time.
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  Like you sort of start a match because like the crowds weren't
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  too bad. Like, he'd go to all the
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  restaurants, like you could walk around the streets comfortably.
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  But like, come like July and August, like, I don't know how
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  you'd even do it because like we so warm.
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  You do so much walk in. And yeah, so I think match was
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  like we got looking at the weather as well as like blue
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  skies. It was nice.
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  I remember being there the other year and it's just like the
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  simple things like going for a cappuccino and a croissant on
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  like the corner of the street and like some little shitty but
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  on real like bakery slash coffee shop.
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  None of this like Instagramable coffee shops with much of
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  lattes. It's just real authentic old
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  fellas behind the counter. But like it's so cheap as well.
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  Like I think me and my girlfriend we got like 2 drinks
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  and we've got 2 drinks like a starter and like 2 mains and was
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  like 45 year old. Like it's like and all the
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  coffees and pastries draws so cheap.
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  Like if you go to the tourist traps, fair enough.
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  You get like taken to the cleaners both you just go down
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  the little side streets and uh yeah it's all authentic and
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  nice. But one bad thing, like I don't
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  know if if it's constantly that like smoking is like bad for you
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  because every person, every Italian was smoking, young lads
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  and everything, not even vaping, smoking.
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  And some of the side streets, like it was really dirty and
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  graffiti everywhere. And but like around like the
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  main, like the Colosseum, the true fountain and all that, like
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  it's spotless. But all the other like sort of
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  alleys, it's filthy dirty. And yeah, so but no, it's
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  definitely something ticked off the pocket list.
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  I just love to do like Florence, Milan, Naples, all that sort of
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  stuff now. But yeah, the food was
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  incredible and blue. From a running perspective, I
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  remember going on like Google Translate and just memorizing
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  how to say where's the nearest toilet in Italian.
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  Oh my God, they don't have many public ones, do they?
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  No. Well, certainly not compared to
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  Australia. It's a disaster actually to run
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  in. There's too many traffic lights.
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  It's not ideal at all. There's one like Big Park, can't
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  remember what it's called. It's like kind of in the city as
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  well. Yeah, I wasn't near and I was
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  going to run up beside I think it's called the study Olympic or
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  something wrong. I play there.
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  It was like an athletics track would load like umm like columns
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  and like and sculpture as a man. But it's like dedicated to
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  Mussolini and and it was like 7.2 K or 7.4 K away from where I
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  was saying. So it's like right at the top of
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  the city and I was going to jog up there one of the days.
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  But like by the time you actually get up there, like do
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  all the traffic lights, all them start and stops, like it nearly
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  take you like over an hour. And I wasn't meant to be
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  resting. So I get up and I'll have the
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  runners on. I stepped at the door and I was
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  like on my phone for like 10 minutes contemplating like, will
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  I do this? And I was like, Nope.
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  So I should go back into bed? That's good, made the right
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  decision whilst on holiday. That Cal Nelson interview
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  dropped last week. Well Owen, I don't think you
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  would listen back to it because you were on it, you're part of
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  it. But Dean, you tuned in.
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  I did, yeah. No, he really enjoyed it.
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  He speaks well and was very happy to sort of.
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  I didn't, I don't know. I didn't quite expect.
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  I expected more, more running chat.
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  I didn't, which I enjoyed, but I didn't expect just quite how or
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  appreciate just quite how business savvy he is just in
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  terms of his background and how deliberate he was with some of
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  his choices to to sort of build the brand and the businesses
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  that he has and how he's managed his channel or channels.
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  And I don't, yeah, I mean real really easy guy to listen to and
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  yeah, really interesting story. How do you guys find the
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  conversation? You have like literally no idea
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  that like what they're going to say before they come on.
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  And then you, you come away from these conversations like with
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  like a full blown picture of like now you're looking at them
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  a bit differently, like entrepreneurial and very
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  switched on and very deliberate and everything he's doing in his
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  social space. So it's, it's interesting to
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  have the conversations, isn't it?
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  Yeah. And I feel like, you know, guys
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  like Jake Barraclough and Callum, like you see their
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  success, but you don't. You're not sure if it's a bit
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  right place at the right time. But then you once you start to
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  pop the hood, you appreciate it's all.
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  There's a lot of thought and effort that goes in behind it to
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  make it what it is. I thought it was funny the way
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  you said about like hate watching, so like watching or
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  consuming content because you get annoyed by it or because you
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  don't like it, but you can't physically like not do it.
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  And I could relate so much to it.
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  Like I won't obviously name any names, but I literally I've have
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  put things on and then like got that annoyed and then like, oh,
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  fuck this. Like when we're listening to
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  this and I just can't bring myself to like press pause and
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  go off it. I just have to see it through.
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  It's so annoying. There's probably people
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  listening to me saying this now thinking the same.
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  About us. Yeah, exactly.
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  I think, yeah, I mean, it was a really good insight.
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  It's basically saying some of these influencers do that part
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  of it really well. They put out some controversial
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  content to get a reaction and it does.
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  And it grows their platform and they and they can, if they're
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  thick skinned enough, then they're not personally affected
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  by it. So they just play it really
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  well. And then there's the the ones
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  who play the victim on the back of it.
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  And then that just kind of like makes their actual followers and
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  supporters even more loyal. Yeah.
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  That's an interesting game the shop run.
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  Shop run. So I want, I don't know, I think
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  I did read somewhere about Owen perhaps getting face timed into
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  this. But for those in Perth, we will
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  be hosting a We Easy Double will be partnering alongside the
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  running Centre and Puma for a a wear test and a run from their
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  shop on High Street in Perth this coming Wednesday.
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  Is it 530 kick off run? I think yeah, 5:30 arrival for a
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  545 stars, but usually Raft does all the housekeeping, giveaway
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  promotion type stuff from 5:30. So yeah, you don't want to
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  arrive at 5:45. Really.
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  Is there any way we can make this like virtual, so like Kuma
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  can like send shoes to Ireland? I can try them on.
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  I'm like, I swear I'll send them back, I promise.
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  We'll ask. I'm sure Ryan won't mind asking,
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  so we'll see how we're going. We.
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  I just said this is Yeah, go on. On on the story I shared, I said
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  we'll try and FaceTime Owen and the run centre replied saying
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  yeah, let's get them online. So I don't know if you'll be
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  available. Around what time's that going to
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  be? 9:30 AM on Wednesday?
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  I'll be working. Yeah, yeah.
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  They now they're pretty good. They're good.
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  These collabs, like I mean, credit to Raff and the running
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  centre for putting them on. I think we might have spoken
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  about it a little bit. But so I think the shoes that
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  are for us to test and they're not Troy Fours and the Deviate
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  Nitro Elite 3. So they're both shoes I'm
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  interested in putting on my feet and giving a go.
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  And right what we did one what was it last week with on trying
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  on the the cloud monster, the latest version of the cloud
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  Monster? And was it the cloud monster
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  hyper? Was it or was?
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  Yeah. So yeah, getting getting them to
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  test. We've done that with a few of
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  the ASICS, like the first time I tried the mega blast.
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  So I feel like it's good that you get to put these shoes on
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  your feet because some of them do get different.
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  I'm so jealous of you guys. I get to try them because you
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  see all like Instagram and all and you see all these releases,
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  but like you actually don't know how they feel.
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  And I feel like even hear about the new Super Blast 3.
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  It's like totally different than Super Blast 2.
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  So like you really want to try on these shoes and the fact that
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  the running centre are putting on these like for Anne and Puma.
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  Yeah, I am so, so jealous. You just get to try all these
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  and it's such a good big initiative.
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  Yeah, because, you know, they're generally good if a lot of
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  people are talking about them, but they do feel different and
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  like each version are getting quite different.
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  Like they are putting some decent updates in some of these
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  shoes. So you definitely want to find
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  out because some of them do go backwards and other ones come
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  forwards. And we're probably talking about
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  this a bit, Ryan, but like we have, it's not like a three shoe
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  rotation like Raff was talking about this.
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  But let's say 10-15 years ago, you would have maybe a daily
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  trainer, a workout shoe and a race day shoe, whereas we're
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  talking at probably at least double that in terms of the type
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  of footwear we're rotating through now.
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  And so given you're spending a bit of money on all these
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  different shoes and you want to, you then want them to last a
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  bit, you want to make sure you when you're forking out 300
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  bucks, you're getting the right ones.
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  It's fun though. I don't know at what point I've
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  been influenced or my mind has shifted, but I do distinctly
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  remember in the not too distant past I would have only like just
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  been particular about wearing certain brands and stuff.
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  Whereas now I'm finding myself like wearing all these different
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  like a variety of brands. So like the on one was good
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  because I think the global release is actually today, 9th
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  of March of those cloud monsters and the hypers maybe on until
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  next week. So you're literally getting to
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  try them on before they're even out and available to the public
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  as well. So it's pretty good.
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  And like thanks to Liam is the the sales Rep WA based.
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  He's a good guy. He's managed to sort me out with
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  a pair accidentally between the run centre and on the Nadine.
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  Yeah, it seemed a bit suspicious.
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  I think there was a giveaway and somehow Ryan's name got pulled
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  out of the hat and and they did get pulled out.
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  Was it just after you made a comment about how you liked one
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  more than the other and the giveaway ones were the ones you
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  didn't like as much? Yeah, that was unfortunate.
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  So, so they had the cloud monster there on the table and
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  the hyper and he was explaining how like the hyper is a bit of a
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  super trainer, whereas the cloud monsters more like stable and
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  typical type thing. And I was like, oh, So what
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  would when you say that I automatically am choosing the
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  hyper because it's called the Super trainer.
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  So like what would actually incentivize me to get the other
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  one? And the one that they were
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  giving away was the just the basic entry level cloud monster.
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  And then two minutes late A pulled my name out of the hat.
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  So I felt quite bad. Proceeded to then ask for a pair
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  of the better shoes but. Said Can I pay the difference to
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  get the hypers? I would have went for the
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  monsters. Yeah, the.
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  Monsters have such a good Rep, right?
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  They're the original shoe that really took off on in terms of
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  mainstream shoes. I don't think you can go too far
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  wrong with either of them. And they're both in that for me,
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  they sort of sit alongside that Super Blast, Mega Blast, like a
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  Super Blast is a fun shoe to run in.
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  And then if you want something even a bit speedier in terms of
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  the foam and bit, maybe a bit lighter, then you, you can go
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  quicker again. But, and I guess talking about,
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  remember Tim speaking about the mega blast on the London's
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  Calling series and about it's just so good that you actually
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  find yourself almost getting to the point where you're turning
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  it into your your long runs into workouts because you're covering
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  the ground so well. So maybe that's a reason to to
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  go the monster over the hyper anyway.
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  But yes, that's what's on on Wednesday.
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  I will actually just quickly on that, we'll have a couple of
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  caps to give away and also some HBF entries as well, some free
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  entries for people. So that's the easy double
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  contribution. So yeah, be good to see anyone
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  down there. How long is HBF?
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  What race is that? 12 or 21 case that there's a 4K
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  as well but it's in the middle of May.
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  But I would say it's the the the biggest participated event on
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  the WA running calendar. I would I would expect so.
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  I used to be in the city to surf, but the HBS overtaken it
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  and then it they close off the roads, goes through the freeway,
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  fast courses, finishes inside Gloucester Park, the trotting
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  track which is next to the Wacker.
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  But yeah, good, then wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  That was very Australian. It finishes next to the track
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  beside the Wacker, the trotting track across the park.
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  So like a horse racing place? Yeah.
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  So, you know, like gallops, like where you just sit on the back
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  of the horse and you whip it. Yeah.
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  And then trots, trots. You sit in like a little
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  carriage and. Yeah.
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  You get the. Carriage, you know?
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  Yeah. You never, you never went to the
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  trots while you're here. Didn't you stay in store or
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  something? It would have been big out
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  there, yeah. Loads of horses, but yeah, I
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  just ran trails and it worked. But it's a trotting tracks 800
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  meters around and it's on this like like this fine blue metal
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  sort of surface. Oh.
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  I know that's the one with it. They have the bizarre carriage
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  hanging off the back of it and like, that's for the the rarely,
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  like anyone who's betting on that, like you, you've really
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  clutching at straws there, aren't you?
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  I'll bring you along on a Friday night.
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  It's an experience. Got to try everything once.
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  That's it. Yeah, so and just we had a fair
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  few interviews over the last couple of a couple of weeks with
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  was a Callum Elson, we had the series dropping Jeff Stenson.
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  So yeah, just thanks everyone for tuning in.
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  It's been fun recently. Someone actually sent me that,
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  you know, Kohl is running Cole Gibbons that he shared on his
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  double series. And like he's gone out of his
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  own way to do that. Like that's a legendary way of
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  sharing the pod really and a very suitable environment to do
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  it on Strava. So cheers to Cole and maybe we
• 21:01
  could chat to him because he's doing London and, well, we'll
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  get to it later. He had raced, I think it was
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  last weekend he done 1/2 marathon and he on them, not a
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  fast course and run like 64 mid or something like that.
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  And so yeah, he's in good form. So I'd love to umm have a chat
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  with him and his build off because he seems to be going
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  well. He just he does ridiculous high
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  mileage as well. He actually good YouTube.
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  He he's releasing weekly episodes now in the build up to
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  London Bush. Umm, yeah, he does like 250
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  kilometers a week, 265 meters a week.
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  So, umm, to do a six to four and a half off star is, umm, yeah,
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  pretty good. It's at the end of the agenda
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  with races coming up next weekend, but he's also in the
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  bath. He's on the Bath half marathon
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  start list next weekend, which is ridiculously stacked.
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  Is there a stream for that? I really hope there is.
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  Hopefully, yeah. So, Alfie, Mount OPS running
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  Jake. Yeah, it's gonna be so loud.
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  And last little nod, we're recording episode 2 of London
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  Colon this week. Where Jake Barclough obviously
• 22:09
  race Tokyo since last time we spoke to him, so we'll unpack
• 22:13
  that and what else he's been up to.
• 22:15
  Tim's just ran 1/2 marathon PB over the weekend and Jake Smith
• 22:19
  is on the Bath half start list this weekend coming which is
• 22:23
  Dublin as the Road Running Championships qualifier.
• 22:26
  So I'm sure it will be a very, very juicy episode.
• 22:31
  If anyone's got any questions, see how I can squeeze them in.
• 22:36
  But yeah, just flick them into the dams and we'll try and get
• 22:38
  through a few this episode. Then we've got some results to
• 22:44
  cover off from 1/2 marathon in Lisbon where the world record
• 22:48
  went down. Controversially, not
• 22:49
  controversially, we'll get into it.
• 22:52
  Box Hill Classic happened over in Victoria.
• 22:55
  Claudia Hollingsworth doubling down on a ridiculous form.
• 22:59
  And as I mentioned, Tim Vincent ran 1/2 marathon, which is
• 23:03
  called Bashir's Half. Ironically, Bashir update was in
• 23:06
  the field. Liam Boudham was there too from
• 23:09
  Australia and there was a few Aussies over in Nagoya, so we'll
• 23:13
  get into that. Some more news, follow up on
• 23:17
  them USA Half Marathon Championship controversy from
• 23:21
  last weekend. And yeah, The Ethiopians are
• 23:25
  back in the limelight for one reason or another.
• 23:29
  So let's get into it then. The Lisbon Half Marathon,
• 23:33
  ironically, I don't know what the sponsor actually is, but the
• 23:37
  actual title of it is the EDP Lisbon Half Marathon.
• 23:42
  So whether we can try and attach ourselves to that easy Double
• 23:47
  podcast Lisbon Half Marathon or not, I don't know.
• 23:52
  I thought you're going to say a different thing.
• 23:57
  Yeah. Yeah, listeners, they'll figure
• 24:02
  that one out for themselves. And if anyone does follow,
• 24:05
  follow the Instagram, they would have seen the story that we
• 24:08
  shared last night just acknowledging who Kaplimo's
• 24:12
  agent was. Anyway, so the results went as
• 24:16
  follows. Jacob, Jacob.
• 24:18
  Jacob Kaplimo won the race in 5720, which takes 10 seconds off
• 24:27
  Yarmouth Kajalche's 5730 world record.
• 24:31
  It's a little bit slower than the time that he actually ran
• 24:35
  himself last year in Barcelona, where he ran the world record,
• 24:39
  but that within the past couple of weeks, ironically was not
• 24:43
  ratified. So it looks like Kaplino's gone.
• 24:47
  Oh, you won't. You don't give me one world
• 24:49
  record. OK, I'll just go and do it
• 24:51
  again. And he was followed home by Kent
• 24:56
  2 Kenyans. Nicholas kept Korea in 58 O 8,
• 24:59
  which is insanely fast in itself.
• 25:01
  And Gilbert Kip Cosguy Kiprotich 5859.
• 25:07
  They're the notable males that I can see from the top ten, but
• 25:11
  the top ten only goes down to an hour and 34 seconds, which is
• 25:16
  bloody deep. The women's race was won by
• 25:18
  Sigai Gabra Salima from Ethiopia 6448, which for contacts puts a
• 25:24
  somewhere around 20th fastest all time, so it's rather fast.
• 25:29
  Janet Chapman Gethitch of Kenya 6650 and Regina Wambui of Kenya
• 25:34
  6710. Obviously the main talking point
• 25:39
  being Kiplimo breaking the world record when he did, how he did
• 25:45
  and everything that goes with it.
• 25:47
  So yeah, over to you boys. Any initial thoughts?
• 25:52
  I just don't like this a lot. Did you see when he crossed the
• 25:56
  line, he literally jumped homes. Not out of breath at all.
• 25:59
  Barely broke a sweat. It's just like, at least look
• 26:04
  tired. It just.
• 26:06
  Yeah, I'd I. Just want to see that are still
• 26:11
  in his tendons at that point. He's absolutely flying around
• 26:14
  the place, isn't he? He could hold, looks like he
• 26:17
  could run that forever. Like was that 243 kilometer,
• 26:20
  247, something like that? Which is scary given he's he's
• 26:25
  on the London start list as well.
• 26:26
  So he's he's got the potential to show that he can hold it
• 26:30
  forever there. So he went through 5K, he went
• 26:34
  through 5K and 1328, and he went through 10K in 27 flat.
• 26:40
  Like, yeah. And yeah, I mean, there was no
• 26:47
  pace car helping him this time, but was there many?
• 26:50
  I don't know if there was much by way of support was there?
• 26:53
  There was 0 pacemakers. Yeah, which like I know when.
• 27:00
  So 27 flat is about what Australian record pace, it
• 27:03
  probably is around British record pace thereabouts.
• 27:06
  And in a lot of those races you've got pacing lights and a
• 27:09
  tail of people to follow. So yeah, quite phenomenal.
• 27:13
  I'm just looking now on World Athletics from a European point
• 27:17
  of view as a 10K road race ever. There's only Jan Schrub, the
• 27:23
  French guy from the other week, Andres Olmgren and Dominic
• 27:27
  Lebarlu, who've broken 27 minutes.
• 27:30
  Three men in history and he's just split it halfway.
• 27:34
  And I know those times all got, you know, as part of this new
• 27:37
  ratification for road running, like a lot of the old times got
• 27:42
  he raised. But like, yeah, I mean, what's
• 27:45
  the British record? 20 on the road. 37 Yeah, he's,
• 27:52
  he's a good 38 seconds up the road on him.
• 27:57
  Jack Rainer's like 2709, yeah, something like that.
• 28:01
  Yeah, the guys, he does this back-to-back, he does it
• 28:05
  back-to-back. He doesn't want.
• 28:07
  The guys are doing it high. You just don't like it at all.
• 28:11
  With 0 pacemakers, the mad but like it is almost like it's a
• 28:19
  bit of a nephew from him to World Athletics because they've
• 28:22
  said you can't have this world record because you've been
• 28:25
  drafted on the back of a car. And he said, OK, I'll do the
• 28:28
  whole race without any single human pacemaker, let alone a car
• 28:32
  pacing me. It's just I did.
• 28:35
  I hate the reaction at the end. Like when he crossed the line,
• 28:38
  he jumped into someone. He jumping around like he didn't
• 28:42
  look tired whatsoever nearly is unbelievable.
• 28:47
  The time in itself is a bit of a red flag because it's he's only
• 28:54
  10 seconds faster than Kajalja. But Kajalja's time is accepted I
• 28:58
  think as no one really doubts him for what he's achieved and
• 29:04
  that being illegitimate. But Kaplimo, because of the
• 29:07
  controversy of his bloody car race, there's so many red flags
• 29:11
  and the main one being who he's associated with from a
• 29:15
  management or agent perspective, which is Doctor Federico Rosa.
• 29:23
  Ryan is Mia, but yeah, his agent is that fucking Ross, a guy from
• 29:29
  Frederico Rossa who is associated with how many 1/2?
• 29:36
  Nine people who have been popped.
• 29:39
  Umm, yeah. He has got a history of drug
• 29:46
  athletes and like one of them Ruch Epigenetics, the female
• 29:52
  marathon record holder who where I don't know how she still has
• 29:56
  that umm, but she got called for a masking agent.
• 30:00
  Umm, yeah. She just, he just has so many
• 30:03
  athletes that have been popped. It just does not look good from
• 30:07
  the outside from Cablimo. And I hope, I hope and pray he's
• 30:10
  clean. Just for running for Sam.
• 30:14
  Yeah, I think if you're just not into running and you're just
• 30:18
  seeing this, you'd be like, well, he's definitely doing
• 30:20
  something. It'd be it's interesting that he
• 30:24
  chooses to associate with that agent given, you know, the
• 30:30
  reputation he's has, right? You would think at what point
• 30:36
  does a like where there's an agent that has a not a great
• 30:40
  track record become a point like it was the same with like some
• 30:43
  of those you remember, like the Bauman project when people
• 30:46
  started to disassociate because of the reputation of the club.
• 30:49
  You'd think at some point that people would start removing
• 30:55
  themselves from from his keeping, particularly someone
• 30:59
  like him who's well established and would be already well looked
• 31:02
  after financially. Would it need the the agent to
• 31:05
  get them into races? It's strange that they maintain
• 31:07
  that relationship, at least from the outside.
• 31:13
  Yeah, and I don't like they're just, they're so good at dope.
• 31:21
  Covering it up now. Like, you just don't really know
• 31:25
  anymore. And like, the good ones don't
• 31:31
  cut. It's only the idiots that do get
• 31:32
  caught. So yeah.
• 31:37
  Oh, there are people on his. And this is your one, Beatrice
• 31:40
  to bet she's also under. Yeah.
• 31:46
  No way. There you go.
• 31:50
  Are you hope for? Are you afraid to keep the eye
• 31:52
  gone or Beatrice to bet then? Yeah, well I do like both of
• 31:59
  them, but I wouldn't support either.
• 32:02
  There you go. I'd keep.
• 32:03
  Yeah, we don't. Shall we move on to.
• 32:07
  We've lost Ron with some technical difficulties it.
• 32:10
  Was just an episode that. Yeah, it's not unusual, but
• 32:15
  shall I move us on to the Nagoya Women's Marathon?
• 32:19
  Yeah, go for it. We've got a few talking points
• 32:21
  here. So easy about Doyle.
• 32:23
  Former guest was on pacing duties and I saw some footage.
• 32:27
  Do you see the footage on her Instagram of her leading the
• 32:30
  lead women's pack? No, so she took the the the
• 32:34
  women's pack through at 320 pace.
• 32:37
  So she did 25K's of that and she's I think looking to go to
• 32:43
  Boston and later in the in April and notable performance.
• 32:49
  So the race was pretty close. I think there was a the winner
• 32:52
  was around that 221 pace through to Jen Gregson, who was eighth
• 32:57
  and I didn't see her in that lead pack.
• 32:58
  So I wonder if she chose to to run her her own tempo.
• 33:03
  But she was 8th in 225 O 6 definitely in contention in that
• 33:09
  top top ten. We're all, you know, a minute or
• 33:12
  so between a lot of them. So or less so yeah, her I think
• 33:18
  I would imagine would be a she would be quite happy with that.
• 33:21
  I mean, not too far off her PB that she ran to qualify for the
• 33:25
  Olympics, right. And you know, that build, that
• 33:29
  progression since giving birth to her second child.
• 33:32
  Like that seems like a very solid run, 225 low.
• 33:38
  And I think those those women races, like it doesn't look like
• 33:41
  it's after it doesn't it doesn't look like it quite stacks up to
• 33:45
  Valencia, albeit I think we've spoken about this before in
• 33:48
  terms of time zone and travel logistics and certainly simpler,
• 33:52
  A simpler exercise. And the Japanese races are so
• 33:55
  expertly run that I would imagine you get the most out of
• 33:59
  yourself, but you're perhaps giving up maybe a minute or so
• 34:03
  to to the Creme de la Creme of a course like Valencia.
• 34:07
  So yeah, very solid run, I thought.
• 34:09
  I'm sure that's the one where doesn't easy say that like pound
• 34:13
  for pound is her like best performance as well like 223 mid
• 34:18
  or something there like because it's not the fastest deepest
• 34:22
  type thing. Yeah, and it just turns into a
• 34:24
  race at some point, like you, just because it's not, you don't
• 34:28
  have men, a pack of men to sit in to race the whole way for 42
• 34:32
  KS. You haven't got that dense
• 34:33
  field. It's a like you can see those
• 34:36
  top ten women all spread out over 5 or so minutes by the end.
• 34:40
  So you can imagine the race gets tough at some point.
• 34:42
  So pacemakers, they're women pacemakers will step off.
• 34:45
  So yeah. And and I think the courses like
• 34:49
  it's not Valencia, it's a little bit one-of-a-kind in terms of
• 34:52
  just how well, how, how great it is.
• 34:54
  I suspect there's probably a couple more turns or U turns.
• 34:57
  So to run 225, I think it's a very good run.
• 35:03
  And then I didn't catch this, but yeah, Brett Robinson was
• 35:06
  there and he won 1/2 marathon and it looked like it was a
• 35:14
  fairly, was it a fairly comfy, comfy win for for Brett Ryan,
• 35:19
  did you have have this covered? Yeah, I couldn't find like the
• 35:22
  actual result anywhere, as seen on a Strava that he won.
• 35:26
  It was a different race. Bizarrely, it was in Nagoya, but
• 35:29
  it was, it was called Nagoya City Half.
• 35:32
  So like it wasn't attached to the the women's marathon.
• 35:36
  I think he ran like 63 dead maybe or low and I was clicked
• 35:44
  into like the straw file on it. And this is where I'm
• 35:46
  determining it was a comfy one because I was amazed that I mean
• 35:50
  he's, he's so fit. So it shouldn't really amaze me.
• 35:53
  But still, when you see heart rates on paper, like his heart
• 35:57
  rate was 157 after splitting the first 5K and 15-O, and then
• 36:03
  after 10K going through sub 30 in 2951, his heart rate was
• 36:08
  still only 163. So off the paces there, it's
• 36:12
  kind of like 3 minute per K average, 259, whatever.
• 36:16
  And that was kind of like how it went until the last K and he
• 36:19
  just ran a 251. And then I think the last like
• 36:23
  .2 was 240 odd K pace. So looks as though he's just ran
• 36:29
  with whoever was running whatever pace at the front and
• 36:33
  then kind of finished it off. I would suspect he's probably
• 36:38
  quite fit given his is running very well domestically over
• 36:43
  shorter races and likely targeting something longer, so
• 36:47
  it's exciting I. Wonder what he's like gearing
• 36:49
  off for? Yeah, I don't know, I've got a
• 36:56
  line of sight, but yeah, it's exciting to watch school when
• 36:58
  people are fit. He actually only does Lonnie.
• 37:01
  He might do Lonnie half or something like that.
• 37:05
  He normally does that one. It's nice that he's taken the
• 37:07
  different approach, like step back from the whole London,
• 37:12
  well, Valencia, London cycle and he could still end up going to
• 37:15
  Valencia later in the year. But I mean, I don't know if you
• 37:19
  have you seen that podcast, Paula's Run Club, a tear and
• 37:23
  Chris Thompson, you know, the vast British marathoner.
• 37:28
  They've got like, sorry, they've got like a casual podcast.
• 37:33
  They're like doing kind of like training series tips for casual
• 37:37
  runners built to London Marathon.
• 37:40
  And they actually had Callum Hawkins on the other week.
• 37:42
  And if you haven't listened to it, Dean, you'd really enjoy it
• 37:45
  because he speaks about Gold Coast and how we failed to
• 37:50
  struggle with the heat that day and kind of why.
• 37:53
  But you're. Not ready to hear it?
• 37:55
  You're more traumatized than he is.
• 37:58
  Honestly one of the worst days of my life.
• 38:01
  At the end Paula says to him like, so what's next?
• 38:04
  And he says, oh, I might be going back down on then try and
• 38:09
  run past that bench that I had to keep on last time I seen it.
• 38:13
  So I think he's going going to Goldie.
• 38:15
  Imagine. We had a few keeps in that last
• 38:17
  couple of KS bench the bridge. Sounds like a tough day out, but
• 38:27
  yeah, he's coming back to Australia.
• 38:29
  Gold Coast. It's cool.
• 38:31
  That's exciting. Makes me want to be there.
• 38:32
  Yeah, I know you'll be. You'll be flying the flag phase.
• 38:36
  You double at the COM games around that time, will you?
• 38:38
  That's following month. Later that month but I would I
• 38:43
  will still be in Australia for Gold Coast.
• 38:47
  Did float the idea to you? We'll we'll revisit.
• 38:50
  Yeah, you do try and dangle that, Karen.
• 38:53
  Speaking of, are we going to get into weekly recaps?
• 38:58
  Whenever, if we can do if you want.
• 39:03
  No, you have to wait. Be patient.
• 39:08
  So that's Nagoya covered. The next result was from I think
• 39:13
  it's in Belgium runners Lab Bashir's run was 1/2 marathon
• 39:17
  over there. Seen a few photos that if you've
• 39:19
  seen them, the conditions look unreal.
• 39:22
  You know, you like, you just know what those mornings feel
• 39:25
  like where it's like a bit foggy and misty, but like so still,
• 39:31
  it's just like perfect conditions to run fast.
• 39:35
  And Tim Vincent's from London Colon was there.
• 39:40
  He ran. Oh shit I haven't even got the
• 39:43
  times on here. No do Tim.
• 39:47
  Tim ran 6117. He was finished in 7th place,
• 39:52
  one place behind teammate Liam Boudin. 61 O 8 rapid times for
• 39:57
  those two from an Australian perspective.
• 40:00
  And then Bashir won the race himself in a Belgian national
• 40:03
  record 5928, so really quick. And he's 37 by the way.
• 40:08
  And he's saying, I've seen him in his interview saying Bashir
• 40:11
  is back. So there we go.
• 40:15
  I don't know why every time there's a guy or woman who's in
• 40:18
  the late 30s, we have to try and give you a renewed sense of
• 40:22
  confidence. But I'll try and stop doing it.
• 40:25
  That's good. Did I tell you ref did it to me
• 40:28
  on Thursday night? What was he saying?
• 40:32
  Running around with So I did a workout with two two guys, one
• 40:38
  of them. Oh, he's seen this, Luke.
• 40:40
  This is good. And he's running around.
• 40:45
  Dina, how old are you? No, I'm 38-O.
• 40:49
  All right, no worries. Not 37.
• 40:52
  No, 38 would have been good if you're 37, because I think Luke,
• 40:58
  Luke's 27. And then the, the young fella
• 41:01
  that we're running was 17. So he's I was trying to build a
• 41:04
  bit of a story there, but that's OK, we'll go with that 38 fair.
• 41:09
  Enough plays into your hands even more at least.
• 41:12
  Well, yeah, one's 21 years younger than me.
• 41:15
  There you go. Yeah, the three generations.
• 41:21
  That's how it's making me sound like a granddad.
• 41:26
  But your medium. Aden was complimenting your
• 41:29
  haircut in it in the video. You're looking sharp.
• 41:33
  She commenting on the bold spot at the back?
• 41:35
  Probably, but no. He looks fast.
• 41:40
  I had got a haircut, so I appreciate that.
• 41:42
  Aden. I think not that house would
• 41:44
  have noticed, but I'm glad someone did.
• 41:47
  How much you pay for your haircut by the way, whilst we're
• 41:49
  on this. 35 bucks I think it is. Yeah, see I.
• 41:55
  London. London Court.
• 41:57
  Is it the Chilean fella? No.
• 42:01
  Actually, I've said the wrong line.
• 42:04
  I don't know. I've been going to the same
• 42:05
  place for 10 years, but it's it's Bob's, Bob's something in
• 42:08
  the city. Mind it there during lunch.
• 42:11
  Trinity Arcade No. Could be, actually, it's one of
• 42:15
  the arcades. I know what you're talking
• 42:17
  about. You're further down the city
• 42:18
  though. OK, Yeah.
• 42:20
  But would you, would you you stamp up the same amount?
• 42:22
  I don't know if this is podcast. Well I'll quickly say it.
• 42:27
  Mine's 38 but I am changed because I was paying like 55 and
• 42:32
  I was telling my mate I changed because I was paying 55.
• 42:35
  Pretty expensive and he's like now that's cheap mate.
• 42:38
  I don't know where he gets his haircut.
• 42:40
  He pays more than 55 bucks. He thinks 55 is cheap.
• 42:44
  What's he like getting a colour put through?
• 42:48
  That is crazy, yeah. I know, how many euros are you
• 42:52
  paying? I pay 25 so I don't know what
• 42:57
  that conversion is. How does he?
• 43:02
  40 something. Yeah, all.
• 43:06
  Right back to the running then. These times make sense, so you
• 43:10
  see the 5K splits next to everyone's times.
• 43:13
  You can comprehend that, right? Yeah, great runs from those two
• 43:18
  in the in the marathon build. We'll chat to him about it later
• 43:21
  in the week, but I'm going to assume that there wasn't that
• 43:24
  much of A taper into this. But what I mean is Bashir Abdi
• 43:29
  is an Olympic medallist in the marathon and he's 5K split on
• 43:34
  average was 1424, not 1328. Like, yet nearly a minute in the
• 43:39
  difference. Ambassador Abdi is a good
• 43:40
  runner. Like it's like one of the best.
• 43:44
  He's a is he a multiple time global medalist?
• 43:47
  Perhaps, but like he's, he's legit, right?
• 43:52
  Like he's like. Surely altitude can't make that
• 43:56
  much of a different Like it's probably a stupid point, but I
• 44:00
  just can't. It can't be a minute better
• 44:03
  over. 35K split of 1/2 marathon race.
• 44:10
  Yeah, that's wild to run a national record as well.
• 44:17
  My haircut is 4436 AOD so I actually might start shopping
• 44:22
  around. Start shopping around next
• 44:29
  results come from a little bit closer to AUS.
• 44:33
  Over in Melbourne there was a Box Hill classic, Claudia
• 44:36
  Hollingsworth 358 in a 1500 meters solo.
• 44:40
  She won by 24 seconds and that Ruby SME was in the field as
• 44:45
  well, who's like a pretty solid domestic runner, and she's won
• 44:48
  by 24 seconds. I'm not sure what the pacemaking
• 44:53
  situation was, whether she had someone for a while, but on the
• 44:56
  footage of scene, she's just finishing it off solo.
• 44:59
  But like 358, that's a legit global 1500 meter time.
• 45:05
  So she's like really levelling up this year.
• 45:09
  Yeah, well, didn't I thought I saw something quickly about
• 45:12
  like, what was it all time? Was he all time?
• 45:15
  Was that up there? I think, yeah, because he did
• 45:18
  that solo in the first crack. Jess has run like 53 I think or
• 45:26
  something 54. But still to be in the the same
• 45:31
  remit as because Jess is multiple world medalist isn't
• 45:35
  she? Yeah, I mean Sarah Jamison who's
• 45:40
  Perth based coach nowadays, but went to uni in there, one of the
• 45:48
  universities, I don't know if it was like Providence University,
• 45:52
  she was the Australian record holder and that was over 4
• 45:54
  minutes at that time. She a third all time Claudia for
• 45:59
  Australia. Yeah.
• 46:01
  Behind only Jess and Lyndon. Yeah.
• 46:04
  And so like I remember, was it Lyndon was the first one to go
• 46:06
  under 4 minutes. So it was not that.
• 46:08
  I don't know if it was around COVID time or something.
• 46:10
  So yeah, it's pretty remarkable to do that.
• 46:16
  She was pretty solid. She's more of an 800 meter as a
• 46:19
  typical distance, or has been. Yeah, but did you see her in the
• 46:23
  interview post the the Win and the 3K mentioned that her focus
• 46:29
  this year will be the 1500? Yes, she said.
• 46:33
  Yeah, she she said. She won't say what she's doing,
• 46:36
  but just that that might be the event that she's focusing on.
• 46:41
  Well, yeah, because then when you look at this list of other
• 46:44
  fast Australian women over the 1500s, you've got Georgie
• 46:48
  Griffith, but she leans more towards the distance maybe than
• 46:52
  1500 Sarah Billins. She's more of the 800.
• 46:57
  Abbey Caldwell moved the 800. And then, yeah, Claudia comes in
• 47:01
  first crack of the weapon goes ahead of them all.
• 47:03
  So why not when you've only got Jess and Lyndon ahead of you?
• 47:07
  Lyndon not going to be around forever.
• 47:10
  Jess isn't going to race every single race.
• 47:14
  So good opportunity. Oh, Tommy Moorcroft was there as
• 47:18
  well. Third week in a row he's getting
• 47:21
  a shout out. Boys in form.
• 47:24
  He's in Form 343 and I think he's, I think he might have tied
• 47:29
  his PB to the 100th of a second. So how's that?
• 47:34
  Won the race as well. Yeah.
• 47:37
  So look, I mean, he's in form that that Melbourne water,
• 47:41
  something in it. Was that an A race or AB racer?
• 47:45
  What was it? That was the A yeah.
• 47:51
  I think Luke Shaw was in it maybe as well.
• 47:55
  Is that everything from Box Hill?
• 47:57
  Yes, Sir. Right over to the Emerald Isle
• 48:02
  now there was a big half marathon pretty close to pretty
• 48:05
  close to me in Mead. So it's called the ball or mean
• 48:08
  half marathon. That's probably one of the
• 48:09
  fastest and biggest half marathons in Ireland and it was
• 48:15
  won by on the male side by Hugh Armstrong who ran a 6423.
• 48:20
  He's of double track club and he is like he's a pretty good
• 48:23
  runner. He's building up for Hamburg or
• 48:25
  Dusseldorf, one of them German marathons.
• 48:28
  And second was Brian O'kelly in 67-O2 and 3rd was James Hyland
• 48:34
  and 6741 for Mahaney Shamrocks. On the female side, Alice Wright
• 48:40
  one and set a new course record. She ran 70 minutes and 50
• 48:44
  seconds. She's double track club but
• 48:46
  she's umm, she's actually umm, British.
• 48:48
  So umm Phelan Kelly who runs double track club and he's
• 48:53
  coaching her Second World mate was made.
• 48:58
  Does anyone want to pronounce who got second?
• 49:00
  No. No.
• 49:03
  Oh, did the surname. Oh, it's not even that.
• 49:07
  May yeah, Maeve Brannigan so she's from Galway City Harriers.
• 49:12
  She around at 75 O 9 and then Neve Staunton from Saint Albans
• 49:17
  AC she ran at 7744. So yeah, a lot of people do this
• 49:23
  and it's, again, like I said, one of the biggest half
• 49:27
  marathons because it's pretty flat and.
• 49:30
  But would you be a lot? Would you?
• 49:31
  Like. Give this one a go.
• 49:36
  Yeah, yeah. I definitely love the future and
• 49:39
  it's just yeah, absolutely. It's a really good flat course
• 49:43
  and a good chance like your Armstrong around 6423 solo.
• 49:46
  So I am, yeah. I'm the sort of like good time
• 49:50
  gear as well to have it like it's not too cold, it's not too
• 49:52
  warm and the only thing that can mess you up is the wind and but
• 49:57
  lots of things and lots of people around PBS.
• 49:59
  So I'm not a lot of people do in the build up to let's say a
• 50:02
  London or some of these spring marathons.
• 50:05
  And because it's not very often that you actually have a nice
• 50:07
  flat fast half marathon like right in your door.
• 50:11
  So yeah, that was. James is the most Irish club
• 50:16
  ever. Isn't that if I sing that with a
• 50:19
  green like that? I haven't seen, I haven't seen
• 50:23
  the singlet of men off the name alone.
• 50:25
  Rehaney, Shamrocks. Yeah.
• 50:27
  Or any summers? Yeah, big one in Dublin.
• 50:33
  Yeah, that's it. Any cash?
• 50:36
  But would you know much cash, Sir?
• 50:38
  I said I was, I said it was cash and it comes in as it's like in
• 50:44
  conjunction with like the me it's half marathon
• 50:46
  championships. So my area is made.
• 50:49
  And so the team were asking me to just run it for like me after
• 50:53
  having like like the last two weeks before this down week, I
• 50:56
  was just so 3K specific. And then I had the week off and
• 51:00
  I feel like for me to do a half marathon off nothing, it's just
• 51:03
  a recipe for disaster. So a Saturday, but like you're
• 51:07
  watching all the results come in and yeah, EV, it's like
• 51:11
  definitely one that I'll do next year or you're asking.
• 51:14
  Can I ask a couple questions? Do you know what will they block
• 51:18
  the roads off for this sort of a race?
• 51:19
  Like is it on footpath or is it on road?
• 51:23
  It's on country roads, so a lot of the roads around here, they
• 51:26
  don't have footpaths. It's really just a road and
• 51:29
  either side is a deep ditch filled with water.
• 51:32
  So, but there's normally a lead car.
• 51:35
  I think the roads are closed. And yeah, I'd like, again, I've
• 51:42
  never run it, but I'm pretty sure like a lot of the roads are
• 51:45
  so narrow, like if you met a car, like you're in trouble.
• 51:48
  So I'm pretty sure the roads are closed.
• 51:50
  And then how do you go with, like, certifications for these
• 51:53
  races? Like, do these pop up on
• 51:54
  people's World Athletics profiles?
• 51:56
  Like you know with some races they don't get certified, others
• 51:59
  do. I'm actually not too sure.
• 52:01
  I'll check here now if it's World Athletic certified.
• 52:05
  I'm pretty sure it's not because you have to pay for that.
• 52:08
  Don't. You rather give that back to the
• 52:13
  athletes, you reckon? Yeah, yeah, you can work away
• 52:18
  there. I'll check here now.
• 52:21
  Now I was just curious because you know, like with some of our
• 52:23
  local races, we fall into the issues.
• 52:27
  One, a lot of Perth races are trapped on footpaths which make
• 52:31
  them not as much fun to run. And then the other thing is only
• 52:34
  some races they could bother to get certified, others they do.
• 52:37
  So it's just curious. But like, I'm trying to at the
• 52:40
  moment, I'm trying to enter a race in Belgium for the second
• 52:43
  last week in May and because the Arma road race isn't actually
• 52:49
  World Athletic certified, so they actually don't take it.
• 52:54
  I did 14. O nine, yeah.
• 52:58
  So they have to use my 1430 from nationals last summer and I was
• 53:03
  talking to the organizers and I was like, well, like this road
• 53:05
  race was certified in like 2020. So I don't know why they stopped
• 53:09
  getting a certified course. Umm, they're like, yeah, you
• 53:13
  need a, you need a certified race to, to like use to get into
• 53:18
  it. And I was saying, well, there's
• 53:20
  no, she's like, can you just do one before the race, Do a 5K
• 53:23
  before? And I'm like, there is actually,
• 53:25
  no, there's attic certified races in Ireland between now and
• 53:29
  like I used to. There's only one.
• 53:31
  The Nationals is probably the only one.
• 53:33
  I just can't believe UMM are like with the field and the the
• 53:37
  reputation of the race they wouldn't bother to renew that
• 53:41
  certification. 2020 was the last time.
• 53:45
  Shit, they normally be run for a few years don't they?
• 53:48
  When they get certified? I thought they get that
• 53:50
  certificate sort of covers them for 2-3 years or something.
• 53:54
  It must be pretty expensive though to get it done if like
• 53:58
  they stopped doing it. It's a shame, yeah.
• 54:02
  And no, that half marathon is not World Athletic certified.
• 54:07
  There you go, universal problem. Training weeks then I guess
• 54:12
  we've had what Erin's been up to, pasta, pizza, Aperol and
• 54:16
  Gelato. It's nice to hear that he's had
• 54:19
  a bit of a change. So I guess, Dean, the floor's
• 54:22
  yours this week, mate. Is that right?
• 54:25
  You don't want to go first? You happy for me to lead us off
• 54:27
  or? Yeah, we'll go with the the
• 54:30
  original lead man. OK, well on Monday, Ryan, you
• 54:37
  would remember we we ventured out to the hills.
• 54:41
  Damn, yeah, that's only last week.
• 54:43
  Feels like longer ago. Yeah.
• 54:45
  So he did that heels ride, which we enjoyed going up.
• 54:48
  I certainly enjoyed going up the hills more than going down them.
• 54:51
  But that was 100 KS in the in the morning.
• 54:56
  And then I just went out with Aurora on the Aurora's on her
• 55:00
  bike and I went for a little jog just for 30 minutes in the
• 55:03
  afternoon. So it was Monday.
• 55:04
  It's funny, you know, I was on the phone to my mum this week
• 55:07
  and she she said, oh, and yes, Ryan, I did hear the podcast and
• 55:11
  I did hear your 88 kilometers an hour.
• 55:14
  So I won't tell you what I think because you know, and I know
• 55:18
  that you won't do anything about it.
• 55:20
  So. Just just on note, just been
• 55:24
  noted down. And did you explain it was all
• 55:29
  in control? You had the brakes, hands on the
• 55:30
  brakes? I told her about the emu and
• 55:33
  then she was. Quite Jesus.
• 55:36
  Did we talk about the EMU on the podcast?
• 55:38
  I can't remember. No, you.
• 55:41
  Didn't and Amy jumped out in front of us while we were
• 55:45
  heading down one of the hills. Like so you go up a big hill so
• 55:50
  it's about 3 kilometres long and then you start and then you're
• 55:52
  out the back of the eastern hills and then we're riding on
• 55:56
  these sort of rolling hills out the back there.
• 55:59
  We're on this downhill section, the six of us that are all
• 56:01
  riding beautiful, like high tree tops, but there's a few paths
• 56:07
  that like, and it's just bushland and yeah, an emu runs
• 56:10
  out in front of us and just starts across the road.
• 56:14
  And a few of the guys that had jumped right out in front of,
• 56:16
  they were, I don't know what they're looking at, but they
• 56:18
  didn't even notice it. But the rest of us certainly
• 56:21
  did. He's a Spanish guy and when
• 56:23
  we're having coffee afterwards someone mentioned the emu and he
• 56:26
  was like, what an emu? You sure?
• 56:33
  How'd you not say it nearly took you out, but there you go.
• 56:37
  That was a ride on Monday. Tuesday was a workout, which
• 56:43
  this workout I've completely had enough of.
• 56:46
  It's 3 by 8 minutes with a 2 minute float.
• 56:48
  I think I've probably done it about 12 Times Now in the past
• 56:50
  few months. How's the the pace and the heart
• 56:53
  rate starting to interact? Yeah, it's, it's difficult
• 56:58
  because it is still pretty warm sometimes when I'm doing this
• 57:01
  workout. So it's hard to get too much of
• 57:02
  A gauge. But I do feel like I'm getting
• 57:05
  fitter. So my heart rate wasn't super
• 57:07
  high. My heart rate was on average 172
• 57:10
  which if I'm I would say thresholds probably 10 beats
• 57:13
  higher than that. What pace?
• 57:17
  The average from 326-320-1318 that were the paces for the 8
• 57:24
  minutes and then easy jog in the afternoon Wednesday.
• 57:32
  Just two commute jogs, usual in and out of the office Thursday
• 57:36
  morning, double threshold Thursday.
• 57:38
  So bike intervals in the morning.
• 57:41
  It's quite a pleasant loop, quite a pleasant loop that we
• 57:44
  did in Kings Park. So it's about 20 minutes of
• 57:48
  fare, you know, pre efforts and then some harder efforts up, up
• 57:52
  a hill. I know some of the listeners are
• 57:56
  somewhat enjoying the cycling chat, so I'm going to bring some
• 58:00
  some knowledge to it as well because I learned something last
• 58:02
  week on the when RAF sends like the the session through or the
• 58:06
  breakdown of the ride, he says 20 minute TTT.
• 58:11
  And I always understood that it's like just a tempo or a
• 58:14
  threshold like 20 minutes. And I knew that was one of the
• 58:17
  TS but didn't know what the the rest of them meant.
• 58:21
  And Luke told me the other day, team time trial.
• 58:25
  So it means you ride in a group and you're not trying to drop
• 58:29
  your group, you're riding together.
• 58:32
  So the time trial ends when the last member of your group gets
• 58:36
  back to the stars. Which is a good little way to do
• 58:39
  it really, isn't it? Well, it was quite pleasant to
• 58:43
  be honest. And because Luke knew what the
• 58:46
  ask was, he didn't try and blast the shoot the legs out from
• 58:49
  under us within the 1st 2 minutes of the ride.
• 58:51
  So it was actually quite an enjoyable 1st 20 minutes of the
• 58:54
  workout. And then it got serious, didn't
• 58:56
  know. And then we had intervals either
• 58:58
  seated or standing tight, 45 seconds hard, 15 seconds harder
• 59:03
  or whatever it was for the remainder of the workout.
• 59:05
  But it's a good, it's a good morning.
• 59:09
  I enjoy it and then the afternoon.
• 59:12
  I'm just laughing comparing the TTT to running like it just
• 59:17
  wouldn't work with the team time trial.
• 59:19
  You'd just be thinking I'm going to smash this fucker on the last
• 59:21
  lap. Yeah, wow.
• 59:24
  So that segues nicely into my Thursday afternoon.
• 59:28
  So it was that the team, the group had a Gregson and RAF very
• 59:32
  kindly LED us to Luke and I were together, so partnered us up
• 59:36
  with Luke again. And so we just did what worked
• 59:41
  out to be that the guys the tempo part of it.
• 59:45
  So the Gregson is 10 minute tempo, 5 by 1 minute on, one
• 59:48
  minute off fart leg, 10 minutes threshold continuous for 30
• 59:53
  minutes. We just did 10 minutes, 10
• 59:55
  minutes, 10 minutes progressing each 10 minutes.
• 59:57
  So I just, we, I went 329-320-3313 for the 30 minutes
• 1:00:04
  naturally got a bit quick. Sorry. 330 must be the fastest
• 1:00:08
  you've moved in a little while. How'd that feel?
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, good. Like I pulled up a little bit
• 1:00:14
  sore after the Thursday afternoon workout last week,
• 1:00:18
  whereas this week when I jogged into work I felt better.
• 1:00:21
  So I feel like I'm again, it's not my heart rate that's capping
• 1:00:25
  out as much as it's just making sure I'm not loading my body up
• 1:00:28
  too much. Didn't have my heart rate on,
• 1:00:32
  which is maybe a bit annoying, but it felt for the most of it
• 1:00:35
  actually felt pretty in control, which is good.
• 1:00:40
  So yeah, ticking boxes. Friday ran to work and then
• 1:00:45
  actually ran to the pool to meet kids for a swim after work on
• 1:00:49
  Friday afternoon. Saturday is our CRT ride.
• 1:00:53
  Ryan at 6:30 in the morning. Missed the alarm this week?
• 1:00:59
  It did. Wouldn't be like, yeah.
• 1:01:05
  I this is the the next part, it's Fast forward through mine.
• 1:01:09
  We'll talk about Ryan's. But yeah.
• 1:01:11
  And then I just did an hour and a half easy Sunday night
• 1:01:16
  housing. Her mum did a women's triathlon
• 1:01:18
  together on Sunday morning. So I was, I was on Sunday
• 1:01:23
  afternoon jogging duties because I was, I was dragging the three
• 1:01:27
  Amigos down to watch that, which was a lot of fun.
• 1:01:30
  Were you like, what do they call it, like crew in that triathlon?
• 1:01:33
  Were you out there like providing fuel and bottles
• 1:01:36
  stuff? I was just trying to make sure
• 1:01:38
  the kids didn't drown on and got myself to the start line.
• 1:01:40
  That was probably a triathlon in and of itself, really.
• 1:01:44
  So now I was absolutely no help. But how's that at all?
• 1:01:48
  Representing each of the three kids for you.
• 1:01:51
  Pretty much I was just trying, trying my best to, you know, at
• 1:01:57
  least get to the start line before it starts.
• 1:01:59
  That was probably a big achievement ticked off, but
• 1:02:04
  yeah. So that was 90 KS of running,
• 1:02:07
  230 KS of writing. Sure.
• 1:02:11
  So it could be actually my biggest week in terms of
• 1:02:13
  activity. It's 14 1/2 hours, I think, of
• 1:02:17
  exercise. So that's that.
• 1:02:21
  Another step forward. Set.
• 1:02:25
  I am somewhat similar. For me really, I think
• 1:02:28
  summarised is 312 KS of riding and 60 KS of running, which is
• 1:02:35
  good because that's back-to-back 60K running weeks.
• 1:02:38
  And yeah, I'm deliberately holding myself back as in like
• 1:02:43
  I'm still just doing 2 days in a row and by the third day now I'm
• 1:02:47
  really wanting to run, but just trying to keep that like, no,
• 1:02:51
  three days in a row because just a little bit too much.
• 1:02:55
  So when's your race? When's next?
• 1:02:59
  Race you made. Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Because he's just. We haven't got through Saturday
• 1:03:04
  yet. Oh, OK.
• 1:03:07
  OK, OK, OK. No, that was, that was a team
• 1:03:10
  time trial, but the no, no. No, we'll get.
• 1:03:13
  Look, let's slow down. That's it.
• 1:03:16
  That's rewind. OK, my straw was not loading for
• 1:03:23
  the first part of the week. I didn't do any intensity in the
• 1:03:26
  runs. Oh, because I was cooked from
• 1:03:28
  Monday riding in the hills and then jogging in the afternoon.
• 1:03:32
  So Tuesday and Wednesday was just jogging too and riding.
• 1:03:35
  And then Thursday got down to the lake.
• 1:03:38
  Done 15 minutes study, two-minute jog, 10 minutes
• 1:03:42
  study. So that was like the biggest
• 1:03:44
  stimulus or impact through volume I've had yet.
• 1:03:47
  I think the first 15 minutes was 350 ones at like 152 beats,
• 1:03:53
  which is right around perfect for steady.
• 1:03:57
  And then the 10 minutes was 340 ones, which was highly
• 1:04:02
  exaggerated by the last five minutes of that because there
• 1:04:06
  was a young female athlete who was finishing her 10 minute
• 1:04:10
  threshold and she arrived on my shoulder and proceeded to try
• 1:04:16
  and advance past my shoulder. I can't allow it.
• 1:04:22
  I can't allow it. Obviously when you're doing
• 1:04:24
  steady, you feels like so great, you're so in control.
• 1:04:28
  And it's just that stupid little competitiveness inside me.
• 1:04:32
  I think maybe because I haven't had the the opportunity to
• 1:04:34
  exercise it for so long, I was just like, Nah, you're not
• 1:04:38
  having it. So you pick a young girl to race
• 1:04:42
  against. So my heart rate progressed up
• 1:04:45
  to like 173 beats. Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  And I can hear this girl like, she's right alongside me, like.
• 1:04:53
  But in fairness, I don't think I've done a dirty because when
• 1:04:56
  she stopped, she said she uttered thank you.
• 1:04:58
  So it was more of an attractor. Through the end of a session,
• 1:05:02
  we'll say. Oh.
• 1:05:03
  She front runner. Yeah, like literally one of
• 1:05:08
  these like 1314 year old juniors.
• 1:05:14
  Hey, you've. Got to start somewhere.
• 1:05:17
  So that's that's the first win of the comeback there.
• 1:05:22
  He obviously grew in confidence quickly.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, so then because of the missed alarm on Saturday
• 1:05:30
  morning, obviously hadn't thought past doing the group
• 1:05:35
  ride, which that went out the window and I was like, shit, oh,
• 1:05:39
  I haven't done park run for a while, might as well go and run
• 1:05:42
  with some fellow recreational runners and, you know, took
• 1:05:46
  Becky along with me. How do you miss your alarm like
• 1:05:50
  yourself? True it you didn't set it like
• 1:05:52
  what happens there? I must have been cooked off the
• 1:05:57
  the threshold effort on the Thursday night because my body
• 1:06:00
  just needed to sleep. It's a load.
• 1:06:05
  That many times too well and he could have just ridden it in
• 1:06:07
  reverse. It just better and he messaged
• 1:06:11
  me while I'm riding there that he's it is too late.
• 1:06:15
  So was it that late? No.
• 1:06:18
  It was like 6:15 when I messaged you.
• 1:06:21
  Yeah, and nearly 4-5 minutes from there.
• 1:06:23
  But you were to give me shit for being arriving on the fuelled.
• 1:06:28
  It was a lose, lose. Shut it up.
• 1:06:31
  I did take some pictures out of him with hot cross buns coming
• 1:06:36
  out of his ears eating that many hot cross buns last week on the
• 1:06:41
  right. He certainly does feel well when
• 1:06:44
  he's prepared. But anyways.
• 1:06:46
  Tough ones. These are mud cake months I
• 1:06:49
  think. Mud cake, yeah, but messy, to be
• 1:06:51
  fair. Yeah.
• 1:06:55
  Yeah, so the the park run, the plan was to have a nice Saturday
• 1:06:59
  morning with my fiance and with Bondo some running together.
• 1:07:03
  So the plan was steady, which I don't know where you want me to
• 1:07:13
  go. I was thinking maybe a 19 minute
• 1:07:19
  park run, like 150 beats a minute, whatever bore the Super
• 1:07:23
  blast deliberately so I couldn't get too carried away.
• 1:07:26
  And then I just looked the first time I looked at my watch, it
• 1:07:30
  was 335 average. I was like, oh, so I'll, I'll
• 1:07:34
  naturally settle down, you know, to what is it like?
• 1:07:38
  Adrenaline is spiked initially everyone goes out, gets finds
• 1:07:41
  the little place and then there's there's a bit of a train
• 1:07:45
  going. To be fair, I must have been
• 1:07:48
  around 10th position after 500 meters.
• 1:07:51
  So I was like, oh, this is OK. Heart rate was 150 low.
• 1:07:56
  So I'll just keep going with this trying and not to get too
• 1:08:03
  silly. And then we got about 2K in and
• 1:08:06
  I was still just sitting at the back of the train thinking this
• 1:08:08
  is very enjoyable, but also conscious of the thoughts
• 1:08:12
  running through my head like you need to go round them.
• 1:08:15
  And I was just trying to silence these thoughts like this is not
• 1:08:19
  the purpose. Don't need to go around anyone.
• 1:08:23
  And then, you know, as down that like tunnel in Lake Mungo with
• 1:08:27
  the like trees that come over next to the freeway.
• 1:08:30
  So we go down there. And then at the bottom of that,
• 1:08:34
  we caught a lone wolf who was ahead of us.
• 1:08:37
  And the train I was sitting at the back of decided to slot in
• 1:08:41
  behind this guy. And by this point, he's moving
• 1:08:43
  considerably slower than what we were to catch him.
• 1:08:47
  So I took the initiative. I was feeling good.
• 1:08:50
  I was like, oh, we're past 160 beats now anyway.
• 1:08:53
  We might as well just make of this what it is and have a
• 1:08:56
  little squeeze for the rest of it.
• 1:08:58
  So then yeah, it was a bit of a progressive park from where
• 1:09:03
  really I think the last K was 320 run like 1722 or something,
• 1:09:08
  heart rate being mid one 70s by the end of it.
• 1:09:13
  You say that, so you got the win.
• 1:09:16
  Now I came third, the other two were way gone.
• 1:09:21
  I know. You didn't even win.
• 1:09:24
  Well, a little bit frustrated afterwards because if I had to
• 1:09:27
  set out with the intention then I might as well have tried to
• 1:09:29
  win, mightn't I? What was it one in?
• 1:09:33
  1647 or something but I did convert 2nd place and 1st place
• 1:09:41
  to podcast listeners. They had a chat to me afterwards
• 1:09:46
  and it's funny, like as soon as you mentioned, Oh, you watch Ran
• 1:09:51
  to Japan on YouTube, they're both like, Oh yeah, like full of
• 1:09:54
  conversation. And then obviously now they're
• 1:09:57
  tuning. In so you start a conversation,
• 1:10:01
  have to watch what you get. Well, it was about 15 minutes
• 1:10:06
  into the race debrief. It's not the worst.
• 1:10:10
  You totally blow out. Now, well, the main thing was
• 1:10:14
  then, how would it feel Sunday morning?
• 1:10:15
  So if I'm fine enough to do 75 minutes just plodding around,
• 1:10:21
  which is good. So now we've got, I've got first
• 1:10:25
  formal session tomorrow, shall we say.
• 1:10:29
  At the track. No threshold type session.
• 1:10:34
  Get the spikes on this guy. Refers to your four hundreds.
• 1:10:40
  We'll get we'll get the know me or else.
• 1:10:43
  Oh yeah, Ryan wants. Ryan wants us to take to take no
• 1:10:46
  meow shots to get his prom for it, I think.
• 1:10:50
  I think the idea is we're still holding back for a little bit,
• 1:10:53
  but anyway. Well, you see it as the overall
• 1:10:57
  health benefit, don't you? So you might as well just get
• 1:10:59
  our greens in. Look in that regard, I'm I'm all
• 1:11:04
  for it. And isn't there like
• 1:11:05
  anti-inflammatory properties to it as well?
• 1:11:08
  It's the recovery, the oxidative stress you.
• 1:11:12
  Just want to take him to the moon first work Outback.
• 1:11:15
  You've got three weeks to cram for an exam, which is the
• 1:11:18
  British fun run. Ryan, just don't double dose.
• 1:11:24
  All the greats do, though. So yeah, I mean the good thing
• 1:11:29
  is it didn't completely rupture my bloody planter or anything
• 1:11:32
  which like could have done something silly really.
• 1:11:36
  I think now if I'm doing any intensity, I probably should be
• 1:11:39
  putting carbons on because they are like stiffer and they
• 1:11:42
  protect it more. Now I've got.
• 1:11:44
  Now I am have returned to run. I should probably transition to
• 1:11:48
  protecting it a little. But I still think you need to
• 1:11:52
  keep in the gym and like strengthen them.
• 1:11:54
  Like just don't totally sack it off now that you're when you get
• 1:11:57
  back running. Which, to be fair, he was there
• 1:11:59
  tonight. Yeah.
• 1:12:02
  Didn't sleep as well I. Didn't sleep too long, I see.
• 1:12:08
  Yeah, 312 KS of riding and 60 KS of running.
• 1:12:11
  I reckon pound for pound that might be my biggest week ever as
• 1:12:14
  well because. Yeah.
• 1:12:16
  How many hours is that? That's a lot.
• 1:12:18
  Otherwise I've ran the most ever ran was 140 K, so I've ran 60
• 1:12:24
  now so there's ACK deficit. 312 K on the bike is worth more than
• 1:12:29
  AC KS of running. Isn't it?
• 1:12:31
  Well, it's like 10 hours, isn't it?
• 1:12:33
  What's that? 10 hours of riding.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah, let's say OK, an hour, yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Pardon. Yeah, 10 hours and riding and
• 1:12:41
  four and a half KS are running 14 1/2 hour week.
• 1:12:45
  So to be fair, I think I am pretty fit, I just need to
• 1:12:47
  convert it to running fitness over the next couple of months.
• 1:12:54
  Conditioned legs. Yeah, I'm feeling a little bit
• 1:12:57
  similar. I'm almost loathed to do away
• 1:13:01
  with the 200 odd KS of bike riding because I feel like it's
• 1:13:05
  I'm getting aerobically fit while I'm doing 2 workouts in
• 1:13:08
  the long run. So yeah, it's been good, the
• 1:13:12
  bike, I think. Owen, before you go, what do you
• 1:13:16
  think of the have you seen this news item about the underage
• 1:13:19
  Ethiopians? They're not ratifying like 5
• 1:13:22
  under 20 world records because they found Medina Issa.
• 1:13:26
  And who was the other one? Becca Halon, they've been in
• 1:13:32
  taken world records in under 20 age category and they cannot.
• 1:13:37
  What's the official word that they've used anyway?
• 1:13:41
  They don't believe that they're in the under 20 category anyway,
• 1:13:44
  basically. If why, how do they get to run
• 1:13:47
  the race? Like I don't understand how this
• 1:13:49
  happens. Like how are they allowed to run
• 1:13:50
  the race under 20 but not allowed to take the record.
• 1:13:54
  It's so stupid. There's Ethiopia again by the
• 1:13:56
  way. Each job are the biggest cable
• 1:13:58
  is in this sport. They don't test their athletes.
• 1:14:00
  They just let anyone run. Yeah, I feel.
• 1:14:05
  Like this issue is like fairly long standing too.
• 1:14:09
  I don't know. I feel like it's good that it
• 1:14:10
  finally someone's calling it out.
• 1:14:14
  But yeah, it's a shame because I feel like it's a pipeline for
• 1:14:19
  athletes to get contracts and become professionals is when
• 1:14:23
  you're an under 20 champion and you're deprived of an
• 1:14:27
  opportunity. And it's it's good that the not
• 1:14:31
  ratifying like these age group world records, but I think it's
• 1:14:35
  like cheating, full stop, isn't it?
• 1:14:37
  So even in the open age races where they're not racing an age
• 1:14:41
  category, I feel like they should still be stripped of any
• 1:14:43
  races that win in there because just through like the moral
• 1:14:46
  compass of it, like, what are you doing?
• 1:14:49
  Yeah, that might hopefully incentivize people to not
• 1:14:51
  bullshit about your age some harsher penalty.
• 1:14:56
  Because that's the issue a lot of the time with this is the
• 1:14:59
  there's no great disincentivizing for cheating.
• 1:15:03
  And if you're therefore you're just bound by your moral ethical
• 1:15:07
  compass, If that doesn't exist, then you're just going to people
• 1:15:10
  are just going to keep cheating. I have a little double trouble.
• 1:15:16
  No, there we go. Got time for this?
• 1:15:19
  It's aimed at news actually haven't been briefed on this,
• 1:15:21
  but it's aimed at another podcast.
• 1:15:23
  Oh shit, Oh. Yeah, man, it's a podcast I
• 1:15:27
  read. It's a play class I really enjoy
• 1:15:31
  and it is, you know that and ah, what's this off?
• 1:15:37
  They use it to medio pace is done it medio.
• 1:15:42
  The inside running guys are on about it.
• 1:15:44
  Yeah. Medio pace well for three lads
• 1:15:51
  that make themselves come across as like so like blue collar raw
• 1:15:57
  old school to be fat and on about some medial face up.
• 1:16:03
  It does my not in like yeah, it's crap isn't it?
• 1:16:10
  No, she's agree or disagree. Oh, you mean the the way it
• 1:16:15
  spits out a pace like a messy O pace, Like it basically discards
• 1:16:20
  you, the pace that you've actually ran out and puts like
• 1:16:22
  weather simulations on it and looks at your elevation and
• 1:16:25
  says, well, this is what your true pace is?
• 1:16:30
  Yeah, but the boys are on a bit like, oh, old school this old
• 1:16:35
  school that like yeah, no super shoes are like it's not a shy
• 1:16:40
  ever. And then they fucking go on
• 1:16:41
  about this media pace saying, oh, oh, well, that was a good
• 1:16:44
  run because you have to take into account the humidity and
• 1:16:46
  all this and no, no, no, that. Like it doesn't make sense.
• 1:16:52
  So you say media pace is a load of bollocks or are you saying
• 1:16:57
  we're we're the? Boys are gone soft.
• 1:17:00
  The boys are not soft. Yeah.
• 1:17:02
  Just run hard. I think we get all that.
• 1:17:04
  I think media pick no, I think media pace is good, but when
• 1:17:07
  you're using it for every single training run like it's a bit
• 1:17:10
  fucking stupid, No, like for a race, Fair enough.
• 1:17:13
  But like it's good to run outside in these conditions.
• 1:17:16
  It's not. People just run in a treadmill
• 1:17:17
  and like control their own like factors.
• 1:17:21
  Are you, are you saying constantly like umm eh, getting
• 1:17:26
  obsessed by your media pace umm, adjustments?
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, like Brady's on about all this run, but it was that
• 1:17:33
  humidity of such and such and it was at this time of day.
• 1:17:36
  So this means I actually run such and such faster if the
• 1:17:39
  conditions were perfect. The conditions are never going
• 1:17:41
  to be perfect. Like build a bridge, get over it
• 1:17:43
  like it's a run. You don't need to read too much
• 1:17:45
  into it. I think it it could be part of
• 1:17:51
  the marketing strategy. I think they've got a bit of a
• 1:17:53
  partnership with the moment they.
• 1:17:57
  I do agree that I don't understand the purpose of it for
• 1:18:01
  like day-to-day runs. Maybe if if the race goes wrong
• 1:18:06
  then you could. The first thing you're doing is
• 1:18:07
  going to messy O and seeing if it'll give you an excuse, but
• 1:18:11
  other than that? Yeah, that's my, that's all I
• 1:18:16
  have to say. No, look, I enjoyed that.
• 1:18:19
  I'm one for a lot of data and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:18:22
  But but I think you're right. I think at some point you
• 1:18:25
  probably just need to just run, suck it up and train.
• 1:18:31
  Here we go, that's all. That's all we need to do.
• 1:18:33
  Suck it up and train. So now you you get enough to
• 1:18:36
  leave Dean Knights pick up the pieces.
• 1:18:39
  Yeah, but he's good luck with that.
• 1:18:45
  See you later. Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  What else have we got? Did you see the half marathon
• 1:18:51
  championships in the USA? Obviously we talked about it
• 1:18:53
  extensively last week and we shared it on Instagram because
• 1:18:56
  it was kind of like the big talking point of the week.
• 1:18:59
  They've they seem to have put it right.
• 1:19:02
  You've seen the the remedy or the fix that they've put in
• 1:19:04
  place. They've now got multiple
• 1:19:07
  champions and multiple podium guesses.
• 1:19:10
  Yeah, I did say that the Athletics Club awarded.
• 1:19:14
  Do we speak about the prize money?
• 1:19:15
  I can't remember if we spoke about that on or off the pod,
• 1:19:18
  but that they've awarded equal prize money, I think.
• 1:19:21
  What did they award the winner with a person that was clearly
• 1:19:24
  front? They got awarded first place and
• 1:19:27
  then they split second and third because they were running
• 1:19:29
  together at the time they went off course, which I think is a
• 1:19:32
  massive thing. Like I think they offer like
• 1:19:34
  $20,000 in prize money. So like for these sorts of
• 1:19:37
  clubs, that would erode A suspected substantial amount of
• 1:19:40
  profit if they had a lot, even if they had that.
• 1:19:43
  So I don't know. Everything I saw about the event
• 1:19:49
  organizers, they were measured, but then also fairly Click to
• 1:19:54
  react did all the right things. I thought they did a very good
• 1:19:56
  job. So I saw that was a really good
• 1:19:59
  response. And then, yeah, did US track
• 1:20:02
  field, have they resolved? I think I saw that they awarded
• 1:20:06
  them as national champions, like equal national champions.
• 1:20:09
  I think. I don't know.
• 1:20:10
  It seems like a fair result given.
• 1:20:14
  You would argue a case for both sets of women the the original
• 1:20:18
  podium getters that were unfairly taken off course.
• 1:20:20
  They have a strong case to argue as being national champion.
• 1:20:24
  And then those other athletes would probably argue that
• 1:20:29
  technically they were too were the national champion given that
• 1:20:34
  those other athletes did golf course and they just not too.
• 1:20:37
  So it seems like the fairest result will be a bit of a
• 1:20:42
  strange one. Yeah, I think the only thing
• 1:20:45
  remaining is for the spots to be allocated for the actual
• 1:20:48
  championships, but it seems like they've put all the right things
• 1:20:52
  in place to be able to honor the three women who would have
• 1:20:56
  secured those spots. Yeah, and a good reaction to
• 1:21:00
  those sorts of things. Sometimes people just stick
• 1:21:02
  their heels in and just say it's not my fault, you know, and it's
• 1:21:06
  an athlete's responsibility. Rah, rah.
• 1:21:08
  So good result. And I think it's taken a lot of
• 1:21:11
  the heat out because they are doing what you'd hoped they'd
• 1:21:15
  do. And Joanne, it's good of the
• 1:21:18
  community. There's a few people that were
• 1:21:19
  quite vocal about what you hope to happen.
• 1:21:21
  And I feel like it's, it's a good, it's good when people do
• 1:21:25
  flex a little bit like that to hopefully hold USA track and
• 1:21:30
  field and race organizers to account because otherwise these
• 1:21:35
  things could fall not in your favour and there's never really
• 1:21:38
  a voice to make them accountable.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, true. Nice that like almost you feel
• 1:21:43
  like the community has democracy has decided what the right thing
• 1:21:47
  is here through social media and whatever else.
• 1:21:51
  It's like when I did my first marathon in Adelaide and I
• 1:21:54
  emailed the event asking about if the event websites up to date
• 1:21:58
  because there was prize money on there and then did the race and
• 1:22:01
  then checked the website. The prize money had been taken
• 1:22:04
  down and they didn't honor it. How much was that?
• 1:22:09
  A couple of grand or something. Oh geez, me and two others,
• 1:22:13
  we're all into state. They came in for that rest.
• 1:22:16
  That would have. Been Runners Club?
• 1:22:18
  Yeah, it did. It's dirty there.
• 1:22:21
  Damn. I needed David Roach to be
• 1:22:24
  flying the flag for me. Not been back to Adelaide since.
• 1:22:28
  No, that was it. Named a kid after it.
• 1:22:32
  That was about it. YouTube Diaries for me this week
• 1:22:36
  I watched there was a long form documentary come out about
• 1:22:39
  Connor Manse I think produced by Shocks and like in partnership
• 1:22:44
  with Morton, the obviously two of his big sponsors.
• 1:22:47
  And it was all about his American record-breaking run and
• 1:22:50
  campaign and build last year. So where he ran 2 or 4 in
• 1:22:55
  Chicago at the end of the year, as typical with any Manse or
• 1:23:00
  Clayton Young content, high Stone is quite heavily involved
• 1:23:03
  and I think that's something that they do so well.
• 1:23:07
  I know Macau do it as well with their coach, but it's always
• 1:23:09
  good to get that like contrasting perspective from the
• 1:23:13
  athletes emotions to them. The coaches like seeing the
• 1:23:16
  bigger picture and kind of like explaining the sessions, whereas
• 1:23:21
  the athletes just only living in that exact moment.
• 1:23:25
  It's hard to kind of see perspective for them, isn't it?
• 1:23:28
  But the coach is always thinking months down the line, he has
• 1:23:33
  really good production, like 50 minutes long as well.
• 1:23:36
  And you they go speak to his family, talk about him as a
• 1:23:39
  child and they're like his brother as well.
• 1:23:44
  Talked about when he first identified that Connor was going
• 1:23:47
  to be like a great runner. Like they just went on a run
• 1:23:49
  together and then kind of like just zoomed off towards the end.
• 1:23:53
  The news like what the hell? Yeah, you you really get to see
• 1:23:59
  monsters personality. Like he seems like just such a
• 1:24:02
  nice, genuine down to earth guy. So I don't think the American
• 1:24:06
  record could have happened to a better American, really.
• 1:24:11
  Yeah, no, it's not one I'm saying, but I'm going to have to
• 1:24:13
  go check it out now. I only mentioned off the pod
• 1:24:16
  that he watched it as well, so it sounds like it was a good
• 1:24:18
  one. And you've been on a couple.
• 1:24:24
  Yeah, I mean, this stuff I've been saying across the ran to
• 1:24:29
  Japan, I mean, I think we spoke about a little bit, but just in
• 1:24:32
  terms of his pre and post recaps of Tokyo, I really enjoyed them,
• 1:24:37
  the live streams, just to get an insight into what he's thinking
• 1:24:41
  about on top of what he's speaking about on the podcast
• 1:24:44
  with yourself, Ryan. And then watched his recap that
• 1:24:47
  came out. Was it when I ran into work this
• 1:24:49
  morning, the one that was released yesterday about the
• 1:24:52
  Tokyo Marathon just made me reflect on why.
• 1:24:57
  Like there's certain YouTube channels that always pop up in
• 1:25:00
  my algorithm. And I think like someone like
• 1:25:03
  him, like it's so reliable, you know, with that Sunday release,
• 1:25:07
  like I think there's a few runners that consistently put
• 1:25:10
  out a weekly content and that seems to be so effective.
• 1:25:15
  I mean, it must be hard to do that on a weekly basis, but you
• 1:25:19
  know, the ones that have a predictable weekly structure and
• 1:25:22
  and release date, they're the ones that seem to catch, catch
• 1:25:27
  you all the time. She just got accustomed to to
• 1:25:30
  watching it and consuming it, don't you?
• 1:25:32
  Same with like podcasts you listen to.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah, and the release dates, you know, when they have a similar
• 1:25:37
  release time, like so when he does release it on a Sunday,
• 1:25:40
  I'll either catch it if I'm doing a sauna on a Sunday night
• 1:25:43
  or when I'm running into work on a Monday morning.
• 1:25:45
  Like it's like predictable time to when I want to consume it.
• 1:25:50
  It works, really. And then you sort of fit that
• 1:25:51
  into your weekly log of social, you know, of media.
• 1:25:58
  And then Morgan McDonald, I don't know if you saw his latest
• 1:26:01
  video, but he did one just on double threshold and his fueling
• 1:26:05
  and how many grams of carbs he's he's taking on in and around
• 1:26:08
  fueling and bit of an insight. And it's just a slightly
• 1:26:12
  different spin because he's broken away from the OACUS team.
• 1:26:16
  It was quite good. I just enjoyed it.
• 1:26:19
  And I wonder if he's maybe going to release a bit more given he's
• 1:26:21
  back doing his own thing. So it was, it was a good 11
• 1:26:25
  minute vids, nice and short. It was good.
• 1:26:27
  Stop being self-sufficient, chicken boy morgues, is it?
• 1:26:31
  It was, yeah. It was just straight his name,
• 1:26:33
  so it was a bit. Off brand More.
• 1:26:35
  Straight laced, yeah, very clean cut but less humor but
• 1:26:41
  interesting. It was good insight.
• 1:26:43
  Yeah, nice. Owen has well and truly covered
• 1:26:46
  Double Trouble, so we'll leave that one there.
• 1:26:50
  In terms of what's coming up in the next week, it's a pretty big
• 1:26:52
  week to be honest, given we're kind of in that like little in
• 1:26:55
  between period for the indoor season where everything in terms
• 1:26:59
  of team selection and qualifiers has been decided and the
• 1:27:04
  championship start. I think it's a week on Friday or
• 1:27:08
  a week on anyway. The next weekend is is a bit of
• 1:27:11
  a nothing weekend from the indoor season, but there are 4
• 1:27:16
  three massive half marathons globally, first one being
• 1:27:21
  Malaga. And this one is very interesting
• 1:27:24
  to me because I think Emil Caress is on the start line.
• 1:27:30
  So I don't know if it's going too far to say the British
• 1:27:36
  record is under threat, but it literally wouldn't surprise me
• 1:27:42
  because you besides was the world champs where he stepped
• 1:27:46
  off wasn't it in Tokyo? And I think, I think some of the
• 1:27:49
  narrative after that was like, he only stepped off because he
• 1:27:53
  knew he wasn't going to medal and therefore he'd like
• 1:27:57
  literally when he's racing, he's racing to like perform at the
• 1:28:00
  highest level. So he's like, well, I don't see
• 1:28:02
  the point in going through an extra 10K burying my body if
• 1:28:05
  it's not going to get me a medal or a time.
• 1:28:08
  So what I'm trying to get at is if he steps on the start line,
• 1:28:11
  he's there with good reason and massive intent and he's already
• 1:28:17
  got what's his PB right now tell you third fastest breath ever,
• 1:28:22
  60 O one behind only Callum Hawkins with 60 dead and Mo
• 1:28:28
  Farah around 5932. So I mean draw comparison to the
• 1:28:33
  likes of Jack Rayner the other week breaking the Aussie record
• 1:28:37
  5953 with all due respect to Jackie's national record
• 1:28:42
  holders. Unbelievable athlete, whether
• 1:28:45
  it's just in my head, I would put a meal as a better endurance
• 1:28:49
  athlete than him. Therefore, I think he can run
• 1:28:51
  faster than 5953. Moe's record only being 5932.
• 1:28:58
  It is quite gettable if he has a day and if he's in shape.
• 1:29:01
  So here we'll just see. Also the drama with that is he's
• 1:29:07
  always been an Adidas athlete, a meal like for as long as I can
• 1:29:11
  remember at least. He's always in that Adidas kit
• 1:29:13
  and spit of a big miss for Adidas because it seems like the
• 1:29:16
  contract has expired given he's been photographed wearing Nike
• 1:29:20
  shoes quite a few times. So again, interesting to see
• 1:29:24
  what he's stood on the start line and whether it's something
• 1:29:28
  just completely blacked out and he doesn't want to give the the
• 1:29:32
  marks in a way or whether he kind of honours the what is it
• 1:29:38
  like the cool off period or something.
• 1:29:39
  He'll be in post contract and just wears Adidas anyway.
• 1:29:43
  Next one Bath half, which is Dublin as the road running
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  championships for later in the year.
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  Copenhagen. Well, road running
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  championships, the qualifiers for them rather for the British
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  team and the fields are very, very deep indeed.
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  Women you got Jess Warner, Judd PBA 67 O 6, Abby Donnelly 69 O
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  5, Lily Partridge 6934, Alex Bell 6935, Lauren McNeil 6938
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  amongst other women who have PVS of 70 minutes or faster and then
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  the men. Jake Smith from London Colon has
• 1:30:21
  the fastest half marathon PB on paper albeit that was his pre
• 1:30:25
  red S time which he is trying to detach from.
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  So his recent Barcelona half 6147 or something is his form
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  going into the race. Ben Connor who's a well
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  established distance runner for the UK 6055.
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  Joe Wigfield, the hot prospects 6116.
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  Whilst we're on that, I looked back at our interview with Joe
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  and you know what the title of it was given he's signed for
• 1:30:54
  Nike what like 3 weeks ago? The title of the interview was
• 1:30:58
  Joe Wigfield knocking on the door.
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  There you go. I reckon I can claim that one.
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  Yeah. Phil Sessman, 6122.
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  Alfie Mantor So yeah, very, very exciting race on the cards in
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  Bath and even more so exciting that we get to chat to Jake
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  Smith ahead of the race and find out what his plans are, what his
• 1:31:22
  goals are. Yeah, be interesting one it
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  because you'll have it. You still have an eye to the
• 1:31:27
  marathon but he'll obviously want to run well and it feels
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  like it's a what a good domestic field to be in.
• 1:31:36
  It's funny, you've always said like one of the good things
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  about getting to chat to people and hearing their stories,
• 1:31:41
  building connections, is then when you're watching races, you
• 1:31:44
  get to feel like you've got someone to like invest in and
• 1:31:47
  support. And now all of a sudden we've
• 1:31:49
  got Jake Smith and Joe Wigfield going head to head two of our
• 1:31:53
  assets. It's good, right?
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  I mean, and I honestly, I mean, given he's currently on a
• 1:32:00
  series, I can't help but want to vote for Jake Smith.
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  But yeah, you want to see them both do well, I mean, and to be
• 1:32:08
  fair, just I'm sure they both would say the same.
• 1:32:12
  But it's you want everyone to be fit and you just want everyone
• 1:32:15
  to run fast and no matter what the result, if everyone's
• 1:32:18
  pulling you to good results and that's a win all round.
• 1:32:22
  Yeah, I wonder, will it go quick?
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  Probably because they won't when there's like 5 or 6 people who
• 1:32:30
  know the distinctly fitter than anyone else.
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  First of all, they're going to separate themselves from anyone
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  else, aren't they? And then it's going to be a war
• 1:32:38
  of attrition or a tactical battle amongst them.
• 1:32:40
  But. Yeah, and there's a few guys
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  that aren't. I mean, well, you heard about
• 1:32:47
  Jake. You heard Jake's comments about
• 1:32:49
  when he was running with Joe the other day, right?
• 1:32:52
  And about how a bit hard to wrap your head around because Joe's
• 1:32:58
  is coming from that speed background.
• 1:33:01
  He makes half marathon pace look so effortless, whereas Jake's
• 1:33:05
  all about that aerobic endurance and economy.
• 1:33:08
  And so he's, you know, ticking over at a ridiculously high
• 1:33:13
  cadence trying to keep up. So I suspect some of these guys
• 1:33:16
  like field assessment and Jake will want to apply pressure
• 1:33:22
  early because you don't want to leave it to a kick.
• 1:33:24
  So if they feel fit and fast, if they're feeling fit, then I
• 1:33:28
  hopefully they yeah, keep applying a heap of pressure and
• 1:33:32
  put gel under pressure and make a good race of it.
• 1:33:35
  And that will get in your head, wouldn't it, if someone's
• 1:33:36
  alongside you and they look glorious.
• 1:33:39
  But The thing is, you don't know.
• 1:33:41
  Internally they're probably hurting just as much as you are,
• 1:33:44
  just that their form might look a little bit better because you
• 1:33:47
  know how hard it is for you. You probably don't show it on
• 1:33:50
  the outside. They might be looking at you
• 1:33:52
  thinking you look really good. Exactly.
• 1:33:57
  New York City half where Grant Fisher makes his debut, so
• 1:33:59
  again, very, very exciting prospect there.
• 1:34:04
  And domestically, Adelaide Invitational, the next of the
• 1:34:09
  Chemist Warehouse summer series over here.
• 1:34:12
  So some more outdoors results for to cover from an Australian
• 1:34:16
  perspective. Should be a good week of racing
• 1:34:20
  coming up. Yeah, it's a good time to be a
• 1:34:23
  fan of the sport. It's a good time to be listening
• 1:34:26
  to Easy Double Podcast. It's a good time to be alive.
• 1:34:31
  Good time to get some bed and wake up to some Nania.
• 1:34:34
  It's a good time to end the episode.
• 1:34:36
  Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next week.
• 1:34:38
  See. You mate, see you guys easy.
• 1:34:39
  Double same old crew, Deanie. Join Ryan's.
• 1:34:44
  Walking the do from the first warm up to the final bell.
• 1:34:47
  This is easy, double and you're doing it well.