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Alden Wicker on Exposing the Toxic Truth Behind Fashion and Textiles · Non-Toxic Living

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Every large chemical and pharmaceutical company today across the world got their start
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Manufacturing textile dies every single one. They got their start in fashion
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So when you start to expose that industry get on to a national TV show the lawyers say you can't talk about that
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Because this is like the last frontier. This is like the last thing to fall
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Everyone's throwing out their Teflon pants today
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But they're not throwing out their polyester clothes which can have the same very chemical that's on a Teflon pan
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It's ridiculous any of your outdoor gear. It will have PFAS, which is a
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NARLY chrysanogen a super-narly endocrine distruster like it will impact your reproductive health
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It's been linked to multiple sclerosis. You do not want that around
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That's mind-blowing to me. They're getting away with it
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We have the organic label to get it out of food
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But even an organic t-shirt could have those chemicals because it's not tested. Yeah, so let's talk about organic
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So when you buy an organic cotton t-shirt what you're buying is
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Alden wecker
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Welcome to the non-tastic living podcast. It's an honor and privilege to have you here today
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This is one of my favorite and most passionate topics. It is the dirty textile industry and it's just like the dirty
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Agriculture industry just like the dirty pharmaceutical industry
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But the difference is the dirty textile industry doesn't have to disclose
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the ingredients in their food and
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Same with the pharmaceutical companies
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I mean, there was trade secrets on both sides with natural flavorings and artificial flavorings
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And they still get away with stuff
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But the dirty textile industry is getting away with it all in fact
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This book was so controversial even though you have it fact-checked
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They literally canceled you on a mainstream television show tell us about that story
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Yeah, so it's so great to be here with you and
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Yeah, so I wrote this book. I
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Care very dearly about it being completely accurate because I want people to have
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All the information that they need to make better choices and reduce their chemical exposure particularly through their fashion and text styles
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And I also don't never want to fear monger unnecessarily, right? Yeah, so this book has been
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thoroughly fact-checked and I was supposed to go on a mainstream news show. I was very excited
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Got my makeup done
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Everything and then I got a call from a agent saying that the lawyers for that show had decided it was too risky
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To have me on and to talk about this
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In the end it ended up being a good thing because it spurred me to get on TikTok and share my story with the world and people responded very very well to it
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So you were never on TikTok before this is like your first post no people have been telling me to get on TikTok
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And I was like I don't know social media and then when this happened
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I I called up a couple friends crying and they were like make lemonade girl and
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And I ended up getting 1.8 million views on that and so it really it really got my message out
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I think with because it was surprising to people
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You know, we've heard about toxic packaging and food. We've heard about toxic home products
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We've heard about toxic baby products, but clothing was this black box where we thought oh
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We're we're not eating it. We're not breathing it in. So it's perfectly fine
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Nobody had ever talked about what could be in fashion before
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Especially because as you mentioned
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It doesn't come with a complete ingredient list
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You know you you pick up a shirt and you look at the tag and it says
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93% polyester 7% spandex
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But the there's no legal requirement to share anything that's under
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2% of the weight of the product
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So you could have up to 1% weight of the product in dyes and that's what some researchers have found
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And you don't know about it. You could have allergies to form out the hide or nickel or styes
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Yeah, the azo dies. Yeah, yeah, and you
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Even if you know that you're allergic to these things there's not much you can do to
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Carefully select well, there are some things you can do
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But unlike with food packaging and beauty products you can't just flip it over scan it and and get like a green light
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You have to think a little bit more deeply about how to protect yourself from those substances
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Know what I love about this is because even if you're on that tv show you would have got less views for sure
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way less because channels like I noticed on instagram and tiktok
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What got me passionate just like you is that while i'm reaching 40 million people that's
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bigger than the local tv station so that's kind of influenced
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We have and I want to uplift your message of truth because it's it's scary to me
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That you can have the ingredients on baby food you could have the ingredients
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In the medications that you're giving your kid or the supplements
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But then the onesie that you're putting on your baby
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No transparency. No
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And it could be made of polyester
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And polyester it's not just a microplastics, but it can definitely contain phallate
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Massive hormone disruptor it can definitely contain
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BPA another hormone disruptor. Yeah. Oh, it can also contain azodes
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That interrupt the microbiome on your skin because we are part of nature and something synthetic
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That's not part of nature that we're never been exposed to revolved with will interact with our beautiful microbiome and literally destroy them so you can't
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produce the
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Protective effects that your skin needs these healthy fats you shut down those little factories
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Then it can trigger eczema it can trigger autoimmune
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Well, it's even worse than that because there are certain azodes that when they interact with the bacteria on your skin
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they release carcinogenic means
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And it's you know when i was talking to
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One of the Duke researchers who i mean she got into researching this because her own kid had an allergic reaction
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To a sports shirt that um she bought for him and she just happened to have access to um world class
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Uh
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Testing equipment and so she embarked on the sword and she chooses angry about it. She's just angry that we are
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That clothing companies are allowed to sell to us
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products that are just soaked in these proven immunosensitizers and skin sensitizers and there are
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Millions of people walking around wondering why they have these chronic skin issues and they go to the dermatologist and the dermatologist says like
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You know what soaps are you using what lotions are you using what um detergents are you using but they don't ask about fashion
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And then when none of that works they go up well here's a steroid
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And i've talked to people who um have read my book and they have stopped wearing synthetic clothing and the
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These mysterious skin issues just completely clear up that makes sense
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Can you talk to more about like how many different chemicals
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Can be in a shirt whether it's organic cotton or just a regular cotton t-shirt or a polyester t-shirt
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How many different chemicals can be in there there can be thousands there can be thousands and we don't even know
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What they all are so again that that same testing show that there so what happens is um
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When you're testing you know this but when you're testing a product to see like okay
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What hazardous chemicals could be in there you could
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Know what you're looking for and you could say okay. I'm gonna test for from out of hide
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I'm gonna test for PFAS
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I'm gonna test for this or you could just like look at the entire chemical signature
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And when they look at the entire chemical signature they go okay
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I see from out of the hide in there. I see
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Dispersized and then there's just a bunch of stuff that's just not in the scientific literature
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Like we haven't tested it for safety
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We don't even know what it is
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It's just all trade secrets, but there can be hundreds or thousands of chemicals in one one product to a chemical soup of
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Carcinogenic hormone disrupting compounds directly on her skin
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Especially our children. I think the skin barrier of children is like 10 times more absorbable than an adult because that barrier
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Kind of seals off and they eat their clothing. Yeah, they put it in their mouth
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They crawl around on the floor and they pick up all this dust and they put their hands in their mouth
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And that's one of the other big problems a little side note
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But when you're washing these clothes it's going into the environment and trashing it the microplastic problem
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The ocean is from clothes no one knows that it's like oh, it's the big floating thing
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No, it's the clothes that are going into the ocean through the through the rivers and on top of that then you take that
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Close those clothes that are washing these microplastics and chemicals into the environment
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Then you throw again into a dryer where it's bouncing around and putting that dust in your home
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So you go see that dust in your home. That's not it is microplastics and nanoplastics
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But inside of that is the very chemicals that cause hormone disruption
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And the research shows they do come out when you ingest these microplastics releasing BPA
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And phallates and all these other toxic chemicals and they're saying that they're not sure if microplastics are are harmful
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I'm like well, what about the study that showed the the mentored brains had a hundred times more microplastics or
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The people that are having heart attacks has 10 to 20 to 100 times more microplastics in their arteries
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And I know it's correlation not causation, but come on guys. Let's let's talk about that
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Yeah, I mean, I think there is a real there's the intuitive sense that we shouldn't have plastics in our body
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Obviously plastics
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Like plastics are not just plastic if you have a polyester thread
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It's not just polyester. It's the plasticizers that were put into it
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It's the as you say like the dyes and the finishes that were put into it has so much
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We don't even know what's there. We do not want that in our bodies now
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It takes science a while to catch up with what we intuitively know to be true
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And they're starting to do that, but of course, you know
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I work with scientists all the time. They're very modest. They hate saying things definitively until they have 10 years
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Longitudinal data, but we know this is true
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Yeah, so when it comes to a piece of clothing
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I've heard that in some instances if you add in
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Not just the dyes, but the finishes the things that make it soft and it's just like food
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Oh, it feels good right feels good in your mouth right the texture
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It can be up to 30% of the weight of the material could be a bunch of different chemicals not just a fabric itself
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Yeah, so you have so you have a few different things going on you have the intentionally added dyes and finishes
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Um, you also have the contaminants
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So when you have this clothing that is made in a country that has really lax chemical standards
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They're going to put pesticides on it. They're going to put antifungals on it
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Then they're going to put it on a ship with more pest control stuff and they're going to ship it over
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Um, and then you have the things that are sort of inherent to the material especially if you're talking about synthetic
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plastics
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polyurethane PVC polyester acrylic all those things just have stuff inside of them and it just off gases as well
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And so you it's just
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You know even with a caught 100% cotton t-shirt you could have a lot of on there
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But you know with synthetics it's just straight up petrochemicals through and through
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So it's 100% toxic. There's nothing about a polyester shirt that's safe for a body
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No, and I think for I can't think of anything
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I think for several reasons. I mean there's the actual sort of
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chemical hazardous chemicals that are in these performance products right that are marketed to make a stronger faster
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drier
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But then you also it's just not good for our body to rapid and plastic
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I'm sure
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You've realized at some point in your life that your gym clothes smell
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Disgusting even when you put them through the washer. It's just like they're just infused with your BO
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and um
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You know, we shouldn't be wearing since you probably figured out at some point that when you wear synthetic socks like your feet suffer
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um
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we
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Our bodies want to have natural materials on them um marina wool is incredibly sweatwicking and and it's an amazing
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performance fabric
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Cotton is great for the summer. It protects our skin from the sun. It breathes all of these things
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And so I have so much distrust for anything that comes with performance marketing attached to it
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Because either it's synthetic or they've doused it in chemicals to make it anti odor to make it a quick dry
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To make it wrinkle free to make it stain proof all of those marketing things
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One, they're a way for companies to make money more money
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They're a way for companies to say, oh, this is trade secret. We can't tell you what's in it
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and they're oh, you know, they're a way to
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Get people to buy these products instead of natural products
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And it's cheaper
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Yeah, many of the times. Yeah, synthetics are cheaper. They're just easier to source
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It's much harder to work with a farming supply chain than to just put in an order and say like okay
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Take those petrochemicals turn into polyester put it into a factory ship it to us
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And it's tied to the dollar because the
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American or dollar's tied to the petrochemical industry and I think that you know
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That's one of those conspiracies where the pharmaceutical industry is tied to the petrochemical industry
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Agricultural is tied to the petrochemical industry and we're just seeing out again and then the clothing
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Industry textile industry is connected to the petrochemical industry, which is
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Oil, which is connected to the US dollar. So it seems like it has a lot to do with money
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It does and actually what's crazy is people don't know this every
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Large chemical and pharmaceutical company today across the world got their start
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manufacturing textile dies
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Every single one every single one they got their start in fashion and then they sort of spread out the very first
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chemical product that was made from reacting
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um petrochemical waste was a mob die
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That's what started it all comes from fashion
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And that industry hasn't yet to be exposed. So when you start to expose that industry
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Get on to a national TV show the lawyers say
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You can't talk about that because this is like the last frontier. This is like the last
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Thing to fall and it needs to fall
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We need transparency and I some of these really interesting is that our bodies you said our bodies
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Love natural fabrics
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Why is that compared to a plastic fabric? What's going on biologically?
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Yeah, so we a co evolved with natural fibers so if you're in the desert
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You want to wear cotton because that's where cotton comes from if you're in the north you want to wear wool
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Because that's where wool comes from. I'm a vixenoborder
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I can tell you that I can go out on a four degree day with my marina wool
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Balaklava and everything and I'm perfectly comfortable because that's what my body wants and we've been duped
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Into feeling like in order to have high performance. We need to use all synthetics all the time
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I mean there are benefits. It is a little bit lighter right so if you're
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Backpacking across the mountains like it's going to be a little bit hard to you know to carry along a canvas or a cotton thing with you with all the
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waxing on it, but
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I'm just
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Getting off of synthetic fibers for me was like getting off of ultra-process foods
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It took a little bit, but once I you know, it was like once I stopped eating so much candy and processed food
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When I would eat something again, I'd be like oh, you know like gross like I can taste the chemicals
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And it's the same thing if I put on anything anything synthetic
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It makes me itchy feels bad. It just doesn't feel good to me
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Our bodies know like when you smell something it smells a bad
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But if you continue to do that bad thing your body be like okay, I give up
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I'll accept this thing because you keep forcing it to do it, but once you get away from it bad food alcohol
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Whatever poison that you're putting in your body. I can't go back either. It's
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You know and here's the other thing
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I correct me if I'm wrong, but I've looked at some of the studies
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And there's actually friction that happens between these plastic fabrics on our natural skin
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And it creates a static charge and that static charge because it's not a natural fabric
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Creates a frequency of static charge that can literally cause oxidative stress
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At inner bodies at the cellular level so like you said when you eat
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toxic things
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It makes you sick, but you're literally eating your clothes
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And it's also on top of just not just eating it because your your skin eats
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The friction
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Creates this electrostatic charge that's also unhealthy for your body. Have you heard about that?
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I have not heard about that because I was focused on chemicals
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But what I can tell you is that
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You know, okay, I had this process where women were coming to me and saying I can't wear polyester
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And the experts were saying there's nothing bad in polyester
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And so I was like what's going on here are these are these women crazy
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And then I find out oh, there's all this other stuff in polyester that can set our skin off
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Um, and then I realized that
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You know, I've always had I've had troubles with body acne
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Light body acne in my whole life. I thought this was normal, right? This is just what happens
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And then I started switching to
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organic cotton
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Workout gear yoga clothes all of the different things pandemic hits right. I'm living in cotton sweat pants
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The first two times I put black tights on black nylon tights on or black
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Shorts to go to hot yoga. I just broke out and I was like oh my god
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I had no idea. I was just living my life thinking that this is normal
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And it's not normal to have
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You know to break out all over your body
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And I think there's a lot of people out there who in every other part of their way of their life are incredibly incredibly healthy
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They go to the gym every day. You know, they eat really well
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They they have cotton sheets. They you know, they go outside all the time and then they put on their dry fit
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polyester
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Workout shirt and they go to the gym or they go running and the sweat is been shown to draw chemicals out of plastic on to your skin
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It's just like one thing where they're like why am I breaking out all the time?
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And it's because it's just you're putting plastic on your body and it literally doesn't breathe
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It doesn't breathe. You are wrapping your body in plastic. It's really sad because that one study
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I don't I can't take the name of the study, but they did it on males and they put them in a polyester sling
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I'm sure you know this one. Do you know the study is this about um is this about fertility? Yeah, yeah
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So they they
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And it's funny they when they started the study
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They're like oh, there's great contraceptives for women drugs all the things
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There's like there's nothing really to make male males infertile like besides wearing a condom, you know
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So they put this polyester sling around their boys and
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100% of the men could not get their partners pregnant take it off
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They could get them pregnant. So literally these plastic
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people are dealing with infertility spending
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hundreds of thousands millions the billion dollar industry and
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People are suffering and it could be their underwear. It's definitely a link to it. It's definitely gonna contribute to it
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then
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Again, all the hormone disrupting compounds and and everyone silently suffering and
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The textile industry the dirty textile industry is getting away with it and it's lining their pockets with a bunch of money
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So here's a question of burning question I had for you is that we throw out everyone's throwing out their teflon pants today
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But they're not throwing out their polyester clothes, which can have the same very chemical that's on a teflon pan
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It's ridiculous and any any of your outdoor gear unless you specifically go to brands that have
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taken away PFAS
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It will have PFAS which is a
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gnarly chrysanogen a super gnarly underconductor like it will impact your reproductive health
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It's been linked to recently was linked to multiple sclerosis
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It is
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Not a good chemical to have now you might think oh well. It's just on my ski gear. So it's on the outside
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But you know, it's contaminating ski resorts and the watersheds that come out of them
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You bring it into your home and it just sheds into your home
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You do not want that around and you know
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I try to talk to men about this because women are are on it right especially
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You know couples who are trying to get pregnant
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The women are throwing out all the plastic in their kitchen. They're getting rid of all the beauty products
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They're doing all this stuff and they're now because of my book
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They're switching to cotton underwear
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You know natural fiber workout gear
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They're being really thoughtful and and then you know the men are putting on their
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You know PFAS covered
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Outdoor gear and going out to do the man things are like working out
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And it's like no you are part of this conversation too
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Like you you also need to think about what you're putting on your body
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So what you're saying is just don't throw out your plastic spatulas your teflon pans
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Your plastic food storage containers. You might want to think about throwing out your plastic clothing because it's having that same effect
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Absolutely. Here's another burning question I have for you
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And then I experienced this firsthand. I was talking to a Delta agent wearing their purple uniforms
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And I remember reading about it that
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These purple uniforms from Delta were making the women sick and it really got suppressed
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I want to hear that story. Yeah, so this happened at four major airlines
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Alaska Airlines American Airlines Delta and Southwest
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And they would roll out these super fancy new uniforms stain resistant and
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Flame retardant all of these different things super cute lots of colors
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And they switched from wool suiting to synthetics and the flight attendants got very sick
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They had their hair was falling out. They had a palpitating her cough rash
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They'll full gamut
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As some of them they would try to get on the plane and they would have these flu-like symptoms
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And they would be utterly debilitated
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One Delta airline attendant I talked to she ended up losing her job losing her livelihood
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And also developing chemical sensitivity where they can't even walk into a grocery store without having a full-body reaction
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You know a lot of them were told oh well, maybe it's menopause or you maybe you have anxiety
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Um
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The reason it was impossible to ignore for a few reasons one is that flight attendants
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You know, they're not like us. They wear the same thing every day
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They sometimes they get on a plane for a long haul flight and they're wearing a uniform for 24 hours
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They also talk to each other they hang out with each other. There was a very clear
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Before and after before they got the uniforms they were fine after they got the uniforms
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They got sick there was even a Harvard study showing that the all of these symptoms
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More or less doubled in flight attendants at Alaska airlines after they got their uniforms and again the
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Airlines gaslit them. Mm-hmm told them that you know what they were
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Experiencing wasn't real
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Paid their own testing companies to test for a few things so they could declare it safe without sharing details
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Um, it was it's tragic and you know what it's still happening a Southwest
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Southwest has not switched out their uniforms the other three airlines
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They folded they switched them out because of the unions representing them
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But Southwest if you get on a Southwest flight just ask the flight attendants
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You know, I I like to ask flight attendants. Oh, if it's an American Airlines. Oh, do you remember that happening and they go
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Yeah, my friend she's sick or yeah, I talked to a Delta airline
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Attendant and I'm like did you have any friends effective? I just like yeah, this is real and they said the nice thing is that delta said
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You don't have to wear those uniforms anymore. You can wear wear whatever you want. Yeah, you're okay because delta is a pretty good company
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That way, but it but they still didn't
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Buck up no one got held accountable
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Still there's I don't know if there's any active lawsuits
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But who's going to pay for the pain and suffering of that flight attendant
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Both male and female as a matter of fact, but I think women may be even more sensitive
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To some of these chemicals based on oh, yeah, or the hormonal structure. Oh, yeah, women
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Are much more susceptible to autoimmune illness. They they have smaller bodies
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A lot of toxicology as you know is sort of based on a men very healthy man
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And so we all of our bodies are different some people are just naturally more sensitive than others
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And then they're told well according to the science
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This is not supposed to happen to you. So we're going to pretend is not happening
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Oh my gosh
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So something you said is that clothing can literally trigger autoimmune conditions
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And there's even a Harvard study around that can you explain more about it? Yeah, so the the Harvard study actually was looking at acute symptoms, right?
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So you know, crusty eyes and cough and everything but the flight attendants that I interviewed over the course of interviewing them
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Uh, they developed autoimmune illnesses
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And so the way it works is that if you keep assaulting your body with chemicals
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Or it can also be viruses, but in this case we're talking about chemicals you keep assaulting your body with chemicals
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You're inflamed your body is reacting all the time and that starts to turn into an autoimmune disease because you're your immune system
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Like doesn't know what to do with itself and it's it then it starts overreacting
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It's been traumatized and every time and encounters a tiny bit of a fragrance or another hazardous chemical it freaks out
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I let's sort of like a soldier who's come back from war
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Um, you would never tell a soldier like oh
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Why are you freaking out about fireworks like that's so silly
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But we tell that to people who have chemical sensitivity. Oh like it's just fragrance like you know
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You can pry my sensitive candle from my cold dead fingers
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But their body has been traumatized by chemicals and so you it just it just constant inflammation turns into an autoimmune disease
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Yeah, like no one understands they get I mean people gaslight me like saying hey
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It's not that big of a deal, you know
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I wore the clone three days ago, but they don't understand
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That it's on your skin
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It will stay there if you put cologne or perfume. Yeah, it's created to stick if you put a clone and perfume on a a jacket
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Last winter and you bring it out it'll smell just as fresh and cologney or perfumey as a year before this is a powerful
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chemical and
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I heard that they sneak fragrances into clothing
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They do so they will put fragrances on clothing so that when you walk into the store they smell good or
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um
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You know, so to cover up other the chemical smell of other finishes
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Um, but the big thing is that you know experts told me they said look you can
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Pick out the most clean untied
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Beautiful natural clothing and then if you stick it in your washing machine with fragrance laundry detergent
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It's going to come out as toxic or even more toxic as anything you could get from sheen
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So you're taking your organic clothing or your healthy cotton clothing and you're washing it in synthetic chemicals
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And it's going to make it worse than fast fashion sheen
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Yes, these detergents, I mean they're marketed as sticking around
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They are meant to stick to your clothing and the way they do that is by using fallets
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and so
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You are they're just they're just going to continue what you're smelling is off-gassing of fallets and other synthetic chemical sense
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It's mind-blowing volatile organic compounds coming off your clothes from your detergent from the chemicals that are in the clothing
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And it couldn't have triggered autoimmune and those women they were they're they're they're met
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Perry menopausal and menopausal women you know, it's just it's just so frustrating one of them got um
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She got skin cancer where the sun does not shine
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um from wearing her Delta uniform and
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It's it's really tragic and
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No justice no justice and the you know the synthetic fragrances um, I think I think they're an addiction
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You know, it's a really interesting story is about how for breeze when it first came out was
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Unscented and it does it's job really really well
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Unscented for breeze does a great job of taking odors like smoking and animal odors out of stuff
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But people didn't feel like they were actually cleaning unless they added a synthetic scent to it and they could smell it
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And so that's why the for breeze you find in the store it just
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It's so bad and
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We are at a divide night right now in this country where in certain communities
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Nobody uses scented products because they know and they want to
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Like my friends in my community
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We just maybe will burn a organic scented candle that was made by our neighbor
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But we don't use glue and then there's the whole other divide in the country which is like
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Glade plug-ins and like for breeze and
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clones and perfumes and
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scented shampoos and detergents and we're just assaulting our bodies with hormone disrupting chemicals
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And you know, I I try not to be judgmental right? I try not to lecture people if people want to know
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I will tell them I try not to be the old and ruins everything for my friends
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But I tell my friends with daughters. I say do not let your daughter get into the scented products
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Don't let them bring it into the house because it will impact their life now
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And far into the future
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Yeah, they're so sent they're smaller again. Their skin is more sensitive. It's more absorbable the science backs it up
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And our children are suffering and it's sad and cancer
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Rates are extreme
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Extreme for young people. We're going up in young people. The scientists are like
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Cancer's supposed to be an old person thing. Well, not anymore. It's a millennial thing
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Yeah, toxins induce insulin resistance as well. So there's there was never
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insulin resistance and diabetes and young children and now we have it
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Because it's inflammation. It's hormone disruptive. It's inflammatory exema is going up in children
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um
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You know children are reaching puberty earlier
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Um, you know, you have phallate syndrome, which is when boys are born with deformed genitals
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Because of phallate exposure in the womb
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um, it's super super alarming
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So you're saying that it's there's a name for it. It's phallate syndrome. Yeah, and boys are being born with
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malformed genitals and it's from phallates. They've coming out of your
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While they're in the womb and even in fact because of the sort of epigenetics
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exposure to
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Hormone disrupting chemicals
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Before you ever even think about getting pregnant can affect your future children
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That's amazing. We have been operating in this country or in the scientific community with this principle of the dose makes a poison
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Right, and that's true for things like from out of height or salt
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You know if you eat too much salt like you will get sick is not good for you
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So there's there's this idea that like if you just keep at all of the hazardous chemicals below a certain exposure
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Refined right and that's what we've been operating under that is not true for Hormone disrupt disrupting chemicals
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The equivalent of one drop in a limbic size swimming pool of
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Chemicals like PFAS BPA phallates can cross the embryo and cause damage
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To your unborn child. I mean they are chaotic evil at tiny tiny amounts. They cause these cascading effects and our endocrine system
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It governs everything it governs our you know, not just whether or not we are able to have kids without assistance
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It also governs our energy levels it governs our hair our skin our hearts our brain function
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um, it's
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They're evil and we are still
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Caught in this conversation about like oh, well, we don't have too much. It's fine
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No, they shouldn't be around at all and we have
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Women who are pregnant or are trying to get pregnant just smothering themselves with scented products and wearing
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synthetic maternal wear
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And synthetic you know work out here and all these things and it's just tragic that we let this happen
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Lulu lemon aflata Nike or even worse like the
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You know, Nike they have a lot of genetics
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But at least they have a chemical management program. They test their stuff. They know their factories
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If you're buying something off of
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Instagram Facebook TikTok and it's like straight from the factory
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They don't care
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They are buying their chemicals from the guy down the road because they're cheap
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They've been recycled out of the mining industry or the pharmaceutical industry. They're using those chemicals
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On the clothing and then they're packaging it up in a little plastic bag and shipping it straight to you
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And there's nobody in charge of opening that bag and making sure
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It doesn't smell like gasoline before it gets to you. It does smell like gasoline a lot of the time. Yeah
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Yeah, it does so you're like, you know, you you have a teenage daughter
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It's probably hard to keep her from going on she and and buying a bunch of stuff
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But it's dangerous
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Could contain razor blades and nobody would know
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Some of these textile companies are using the byproducts of other toxic industries to make their clothes so it could have
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Who knows what in it? Yep. Yep pesticides pharmaceutical chemicals
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mining heavy metals
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I mean, it's it's gross. It's really bleak and really gross and
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You know the European fashion brands they care deeply about this stuff
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They also have stronger legislation
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There are American brands who are like uh, well just run it through the test send us a PDF
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Attesting that it's safe and like find whatever and then there are brands that like do not give an F
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They don't give an F because they're just factories and nobody's holding them accountable
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H&M seems to I think I read somewhere maybe it was in your book
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That
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They're calling out for stricter regulations on clothing because there is none
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Yeah, absolutely. They're very Swedish and that way
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They care deeply they've been working on chemical stuff for a while and they definitely have synthetics
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They're fast fashion brand. Yeah, but they actually have a lot of cotton items
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So I tell people if you you know if you're on a budget
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Go to H&M buy the natural cotton stuff on the natural fiber stuff and you could be pretty confident that you're safe
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Yeah, and it's organic too. They have some organic options. They sure do
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So what you're saying is the clothing women or wearing could
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100% be affecting the unborn fetus or embryo
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Absolutely
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Is there studies that discuss this that you know the clothing because I don't know
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Is there studies that show that hey this clothing is actually
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putting
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Creating elevated blood levels of hormone disrupting compounds like thalates. No, no
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We don't have those studies for a few reasons
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One is that it is very very hard to connect people's
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Illnesses and symptoms back to a piece of clothing because we were
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Five different pieces of clothing every single day and a hundred different pieces of clothing every single week
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Most of the research we have comes from you know, you have the flight attend where you could say like
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Yep, it was a uniform because they put it on every day, but
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It's it's just going to be impossible to say like this caused that
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That illness. It's hard enough to say like if you're if you're drinking toxic water that is connected to
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leukemia or other things
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What I can tell you is that these clothing the clothing every time it's tested the researchers
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Find something they've found PFAS in children's school uniforms
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They've found PFAS in like eco-friendly
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Children's clothing. They've found phallates and BPA and we know that these things are hormone structures and so
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Air go
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If you're trying to protect your reproductive health or your hormonal health in general
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you should not be wearing
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Ultra-fast-fashioned synthetic high-performance clothing so every OB-GYN should be asking
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At their interview with a new client that's struggling with fertility. Are you wearing plastic clothing?
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I think so yeah, I think you know not to strike fear into the hearts because it can be overwhelming
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But it is another tool in your toolkit and it's free. It's free
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Like of course you're going to be taking supplements and you know
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You're going to be getting really like nice wholesome food from the farmers market and everything
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But I tell people that when it comes to clothing
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Being healthy isn't about adding. It's about taking away
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You don't I don't tell people that they need to throw out their entire wardrobe and go out and buy a whole new wardrobe
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I just say look think about your underwear think about your workout clothing think about your pajamas
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Think about your sheets. See how that goes
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You know, but you don't need to go out and buy a bunch of stuff
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You just need to think about taking away. I'm not gonna help them out
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I'm long-term. We have too many clothes and go to our closets. They're just so much crap
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And we need to simplify and where healthy clothes. I mean that would be my suggestion is like just simplify your wardrobe
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You don't have to and think about the insecurity of it all like we want to look a certain way and we're buying because we we're doing it because everybody else is
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We want to look a certain way. It's
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It's more culture than it is the reality when in other countries like Europe for example or Italy
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Or their regulations are massive compared to the US. So there's probably up
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I'm just gonna guess there's a thousand different
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Clothing chemicals that are allowed in the US that are banned in Europe well 30 specifically for textiles
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But the other thing that they do that we don't do is that they test random shipments that come into Europe
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And if they find these hazardous chemicals they destroy the shipment or send it back
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We're not really doing that in the United States. We banned three chemicals
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For use only in children's products lead camion and certain valets
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And the only time they test a shipment is if they think it's counterfeit
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So if you're a large
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children's brand
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That is known and you're shipping in a container of clothing
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You can be sure that they're not actually going to test your clothing to see if it has
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Only these three chemicals it could still have BPA it could still have
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It could still have mercury it could still it could still have pesticides. There is nothing
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illegal
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About taking
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Chemical pesticides that have been banned for sale and use in manufacturing the United States for 20 30 40 years
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Putting them on clothing and shipping them into the United States and selling them to adults
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That's mind-blowing to me. So they're they're getting away with it
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We have the organic label to get it out of food
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But even an organic t-shirt could have those chemicals because it's not tested
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Yeah, so let's talk about organic. Yeah, okay
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So when you buy an organic cotton t-shirt what you're buying is a t-shirt that was made with cotton that was supposedly
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grown without pesticides
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Um in a certified field now the system is incredibly corrupt
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It is super easy to fake those certificates. Mm-hmm. What you're not buying is a t-shirt dyed with plant dyes
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There are the dyes that are used for in organic dye houses and I had this straight from an Italian dye house manager
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They're also petrochemical dyes that have just been certified as safer than other dyes
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It doesn't mean they're necessarily super toxic
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But they are pet I think people think that if they buy organic cotton it's like completely plant-based
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It's not yeah, it's just that they're using
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less bad petrochemical
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products than
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Then other factories. That's all it's saying and
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Nobody's checking right if you're a dye house manager
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And you want to be certified organic so that you can be part of this supply chain
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Um, all you have to do is fill out some paperwork say these are the chemicals I'm using and then submit the paperwork and
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But now you have your organic certification nobody's coming and being and checking on a random data
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See if you're actually using the safe chemicals safer chemicals that you said that you're using
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So organic doesn't mean safe when it comes to clothing? No again, it's better
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Then buying like a polyester or like a pleather skirt from she in
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But it's not completely safe and there are brands out there
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I reported on how packed which was this OG organic cotton brand. Yeah, it got bought out from the original founder
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And now they just they they do the bare minimum, which is like keeping up their organic certification
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And I have friends who um, I have a dear friend who contacted me because she was like I just bought a box of packed
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stuff
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Because she's you know, she's come as a sensitive. She's been poisoned by black mold
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And she was like I had such a huge reaction
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Then I'm carrying my epi pen around with me. She sent it back. They sent her a new box opened it still smell like chemicals
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It should not smell like chemicals. It should not smell like chemicals and it's the it's the dyes
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It's probably as slow as it finishes. It's the contaminants. It could be any number of things because we don't know where a clothing
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Those textiles just popped around from factory to factory ship to ship like airplane
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All this stuff and like we don't know we don't know where they've been
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It's like that with organic food too. They can change the certification right at the at the dock and turn it turns something that was
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Conventional to organic just like that. You know, it's crazy
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I mean it's there should be regulation on organic clothing because I think we all assume me
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I used to assume that too. I'm like oh, it's organic
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So it must be a plant-based dye. There couldn't be further from the truth
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No
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Just could be toxic azo dyes still have carcinogenic chemicals in it
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But they do have the got certification. So it's got certification
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better
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That is the only
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Organic clothing certification. So when I say organic certification is easily gained
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It can be corruptible and they allow petrochemical dyes. I'm talking about gots. Yeah organic. So they're that's the certification
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Yeah, yeah, and I did a whole I did a whole investigation
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It was a one on on New York Times about just the extreme corruption and fakery going on in the specifically in the Indian organic cotton industry
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So it's really tough. This is why he partnered with and talked to like Michael from
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Isomate textile because he does it all right. He typically cares about his product. Yeah
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Organic and then all plant-based dyes you can literally he want an award you can drink the
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The waste water from his dying process. Yeah turn into a skincare brand. Yeah, absolutely
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So unlike from the mining industry and the pharmaceutical industry where they're taking these chemicals and
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reusing them to make clothing
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He's reusing his waste water to make organic skincare. Yeah, you know, so it's it's a it's a stark contrast
43:55
So what companies are doing it right? Let's give them some we mentioned Isomate. Yeah dashed textiles
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Um their Isomate textiles what are some other great companies. Yeah, I really like made the label
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Mm-hmm. I really like for all of your workout here. I really like um icebreaker
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They do really nice nice marina wool stuff. I just live in their stuff in the winter in Vermont
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Or they I called them literally to find out what kind of dyes they were using. This was before I even read your book
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Like this was like three or four years ago because I'm like wait a minute and there is some stuff on the internet right now saying
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Yeah, it's wool. Yeah, but there's so much plastic around the world that it no longer breeze like wool
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Yeah, so there's this thing um and you know what they use super wash but dilling which is a European brand is not use super wash
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Superwash is this thing so that you can wash your wool. Yeah
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And it's it's coding the fibers in a like a thin polymer coating
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So that it doesn't like rough up and shrink or or anything so dillings another really good one again
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If you like the European brands are doing it right the European outdoor brands like didrickson's um
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Uh
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Patagonia has a ton of synthetics, but if you need PFAS free like snow gear. Yeah, the rain gear they're PFAS free
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Yeah, they did switch that over because I remember
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They I had my tent and they stopped making it because they make a PFAS free version and I have the one with PFAS
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Nice which sucks. No, that sucks. Yeah, so what's some other brands?
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So here's I don't know if you ever heard of these but they're struggling because
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They're trying to do it right. Yeah, and it's it's hard, but namari a makes a really good clothing
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I think it's like a hemp based clothing line um and they even have technology where they're getting rid of spandex
45:40
There's actually a natural rubber now
45:43
This helix type natural rubber that can be replaced and a lot of these companies are moving that way. Yeah
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Um, so what other good companies out there? Well industry of all nations. Yeah, which I have. That's great. Yeah, they're really good
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um and
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Harvest in mill harvest in mill harvest in mill is really cool because they they make cotton products with cotton
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That grows naturally in pastel colors so they don't have to use any dyes and it's all American grown cotton
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So they know exactly where it's coming from so you can grow cotton that has colors and it's not GMO
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It's like pale paint. It's heritage cotton heritage cotton. It's pale pink and pale green and pale blue
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I think I really like pale brown. Yeah, it's really it yeah before they before they bred it all into white
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Just like bananas and other things great out there. Um, I also like packa they do um it's similar to marino wool
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But they use alpaca for their stuff and it um, you know, it's great
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I don't know much about them. They're a great brand. They've sent me some stuff
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But why do you why do you like them?
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They just they have a lot of heart and they have multiple layers of safety
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I only support brands that are doing multiple things to ensure that their clothing is safe, right? So
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They're a good example. They are certified organic. They also know where their clothing is being died and made in
47:09
California
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they
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Test it to make sure that it's safe. So you can't just do one thing. So they're ensuring that it's got certified
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Yeah, well, they're ensuring that it's non toxic. Yeah, yeah, so they're not just trusting a certified organic
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Die company in another country to say that it's safe. They're literally bring it in and they test it. Yeah, how do you test
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Clothing for toxicity? So there's um the gold standard is the ochotex label it could be better, but it's what we got
47:41
Um, and what they do is they have this long list
47:44
Last time I checked it was 130. It's probably more now. Mm-hmm. Of chemicals that they test a
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randomly selected product for and then if everything comes in below
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the standard
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Threshold for it if it's not detected or it's below as a threshold
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For certain things then they say like okay. This is safe. Yep. I have a certification of extra heavy metals
48:08
In products supplement products and it's called non toxic project certification and it has to
48:14
Meter exceed the strictest standards in Europe, you know the California Prop 65
48:19
Because some of the supplements are like foods. They're highly contaminated with heavy metals and people are consuming them for their health and say it's a detox product
48:27
Because a lot of detox products have things like zeolites that aren't cleaned. I have a patent that cleans it out
48:33
um
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And they're taking products to detox and you need to detox from your detox because these natural minerals minerals full of acids
48:41
Humates
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They if they get them for an inexpensive source. It's highly contaminated. Yeah, they buy it to detox and they're literally probably getting more toxins
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Then they're removing yeah at best
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So it's funny like all this when it comes down to how people cash in, you know, but it's nice to see some bigger brands
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Um, you know doing it right. Yeah, and there are bigger brands that that you know, leave eyes
49:08
I'm wearing Levi's jeans right now. They're a good brand, you know
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One hundred if you get the one hundred percent cotton jeans like you can be
49:15
They've been testing their products to make sure that they're free of hazardous chemicals for a very long time
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So there's no pesticide residues
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No
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Not as far as I'm aware of yeah
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So in the type of that well azo dyes are typically a blue dye
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Well, I guess azo dyes could be anything but the blue dyes. I wonder what they're using. Well actually for jeans they use indigo
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and synthetic indigo is chemically
49:39
Identical to plant-based indigo because you have to use indigo in order to get the fading
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You can't fade out jeans the with azo dyes because they're too permanent
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They find so they you have to yeah, you have to like this there's a certain process for indigo is a beautiful product
49:57
But you have to use it in a certain way
49:59
You can't just slap it on stuff and then you get the the fading
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So that that's another thing is like if you buy
50:06
jeans with this this fading like you know that they're using a safe dye to make it happen
50:12
That's another great piece of information. I have some indigo that Michael from Isome sent me
50:17
So yeah, I made a tea and I showed the I have made a tea comparing like would you rather drink this tea or this tea
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Has you know hazardous chemicals in it and your skin's literally drinking that or indigo which has anti-inflammatory benefits like you choose
50:34
You know, so but it gives people an example because they don't think about it none of us did you know? I mean I look back at pitchers
50:40
You know four or five years ago. I was freaking wearing plastic. Yeah like oh me, you know
50:46
Well people didn't know the polyester was plastic. No
50:50
We just thought it was cool stuff that people it came from the 70s, you know, it's super cool
50:54
You know shampoos have the ingredients list so you can see the thalates that that are in there and parabens and hormone disrupting chemicals
51:02
A cereal will have it it can have BHT which is another carcinogenic preservative
51:06
But then you come to your child's onesie and it doesn't have a label
51:11
Do you think it's some point in the history and do you think at some point that will be labeling our clothing?
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God, I hope so. I hope so and I know there are people working on it
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um
51:22
I have advocated for at least getting to the point where clothing is labeled with
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uh
51:29
known allergens
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Right because you know the fashion brands will tell you like we can't label our clothing because like
51:36
We don't even know the fashion brands don't even know what's in it, right? They order something the
51:42
Diehouse puts it on the textile the textile ship to the sewing factory and nobody shares what's going on because it's for prior to his
51:48
Secret business secrets bubble blah
51:50
But we should at least know if something has an allergen in it or a hazardous chemical in it
51:55
um
51:56
We should there should be a requirement that if you buy something that has from albahide or
52:02
Dispersedize or
52:05
Nickel or all these other things that are known allergens yeah that it should have that label so that you can
52:12
Confidently purchase it either as someone who has
52:15
Known allergens or someone who is trying to protect their own health or their family self
52:20
And these are known allergens they break people skin out right and you just have to be a guinea pig on yourself
52:26
And it's like oh, I wonder if it has this allergen in it and most people don't realize that they it's probably like 15% of people
52:33
We'll just throw a number out there. Maybe you know it's one out of five is having allergy to clothing is
52:39
One out of five it one out of five comes up with a lot the one out of five people are chemically intolerant
52:43
one out of five people
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Have a chronic skin issues
52:48
So it seems that one out of five people are the type of people who react
52:53
To things that normal people don't react to or can tolerate and that that's a lot of people
53:00
I like being abnormal
53:02
I don't know about you, but I know I prefer it because uh
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I'm sensitive and
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I want to be more sensitive
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I want to be sensitive to things that are chemicals because I want to get closer to nature
53:14
Because I feel like when we get closer to nature we get closer to God and we get closer to God and you understand that love
53:20
You judge less you connect with people more you're sitting
53:24
With being fully human and if we're living this
53:28
Life wrapping ourselves in plastic like clothing eating processed foods
53:33
using processed light putting
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uh
53:37
UV blocking ultra you know blocking windows, you know low-E glass that sucks out the very light frequency that drives the electron transport chain in our
53:46
and our mitochondria and and we expect to be healthy and
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And one of the biggest keys to that that you're unlocking through your book is clothing
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um
53:57
We're gonna get one step. We're getting closer to nature, right? That's what you're saying by clothes that are closer to nature chemicals
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that are non-toxic or
54:08
natural to like isomatec styles or these other brands harvest and mill
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Whatever that we're in alignment with that we've evolved with it makes sense you can't eat
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petroleum-based toxic food and be healthy you can't put on petroleum-based
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Toxic clothing and be healthy you can't get healthy from taking petroleum-based pharmaceutical drugs. They don't heal
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They cover symptoms
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So we want to heal the nation and i think the clothing industry
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Really needs to step up so i'm glad that we have some brands and uh that we're
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That we're leaning into that you're doing this work
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You used to say that man just consumer choice will buy our way back into clean clothing
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You've kind of changed your mind on that. Yeah, I have because um first of all uh
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We don't know we can't ever learn enough to make the right choices right
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Clothing doesn't have ingredient lists on it and i'm not a toxicologist. How am I supposed to look?
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How am I supposed to choose the right the right product so there's that um
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And the brands that are doing well they're getting their lunch eaten by unscrupulous brands that are greenwashing and
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Doing the cheapest thing possible and they're struggling we should
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Bring up the floor for what is acceptable in this country and regulation works prop 65 in California people make fun of it
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Because it seems like every single thing has a prop 65 label on it except
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Clothing and betting because brands do not want to put a label on their clothing
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That says this contains carcinogenic and reproductive toxic things
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So they don't want to put the label on there
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And it's spurred a lot of testing to show when things have something there have been lawsuits there have been settlements
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And
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They have shown that the levels in people's blood over the past 20 years of the chemicals that are covered on it a lot have dropped
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That's because they well these are the lawyers are coming in you're saying
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You didn't disclose that plastic athletic wear that you're wearing and there's all these brands
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That it has bpa and it it does
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That is on our carcinogen list
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Yeah, you should have disclosed that
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Please pay us or yeah, remove it or get to they have these settlements where they say like you are going to remove this from your products
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We're going to keep testing to make sure that you have gotten out of your products and
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Californians have especially gotten safer, but all across the United States people have gotten safer because you know
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That California is protecting us all and it's helped with the supplement industry as well
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It's cleaned up a lot of supplements because these bigger brands are getting tested and the lawyers are doing it because they're testing the bigger brands
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Because I know they're going to get a bigger settlement because they won't go after you unless they think they can get paid for their efforts
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And then the companies are like
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Okay, we'll get it out. We'll pay you
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100,000 200,000 half million
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Depending on the company that they won't sue you enough to shut you down
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But they'll sue you enough that they'll they can pay for their legal fees and a little bit and more
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I mean, it's crazy. That's how it works in this country because did you know that as bestos wasn't actually ever banned
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It just became legally and financially untenable to keep using it because you get sued into oblivion
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Yeah, I didn't know that California hasn't banned these chemicals. They're just saying
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Well, if they're in there, you need to label it and people don't like people do not like it
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When you go to sheen and there's a pop-up this is like this has carcinogenic and reproductive toxic chemicals people like
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Oh, oh, you know what? I don't want to buy this. Yeah, it's changing
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Consumer behavior. So he think regulations
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Is eventually going to be what we need to clean up the clothing industry? Absolutely. Are we headed in that direction?
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Doesn't seem like it at the state level for sure
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federally there has been any movement, but the states are doing God's work
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New York state has banned PFAS in stuff
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Vermont has banned PFAS and stuff
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Washington state has regulations
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California has regulations and it gets to the point where it's
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Too complicated for any brand to sell anywhere in America without huing to these regulations about what they can and can't put in
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Consumer products clothing also cosmetics and things like that
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So at the state level this is happening and it's incredibly empowering because
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You are much more likely to be able to get through to your state representative and say what are you doing about this
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then to a federal
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Representative right now. So if people want to get involved get involved at the state level
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Yeah, and then follow you on your Instagram platforms if you
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If you decide to use them again this girl this woman
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Uh
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Is has such integrity of she disagrees with the platform in any way. She's like that doesn't serve me
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I'm not gonna do that. I'm not in alignment with that
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So you make these heart centered high integrity decisions
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But that's it's people like you that need to be the mouthpiece here
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And you're and you're so kind and you're and you're not trying to make people you know live in fear
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But you literally are just speaking truth and I do the same thing. I never want like my message is always in love
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But I'm just telling you the truth
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You know, you know, sometimes it over top a little bit, but it gets out there, you know
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So that I love your balance. I love your heart
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So when it comes to wardrobes and switching out to this more non-toxic clothing
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Which obviously when you're watching this is like this is a big deal
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What are what are some of those steps that people should be taking? Yeah, so
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It's a layered approach. You can't just do one of these things, but the first thing I say is
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Where natural clothing whenever possible
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Two is buy from reputable brands
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Um, so don't buy from ultra fast fashion or weird brands. You've never heard of amazon
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Uh, don't buy anything that has performance or marketing promises. So if it says it's anti odor
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Uh, you know
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If it says it's waterproof or stain resistant or
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Wrinkle free. Don't buy that also take care of your clothes in the right way. So use fragrance free detergents
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Don't do dry cleaning. That's incredibly carcinogenic
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Um, and take care
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Taking care of your wardrobe that's natural and healthy for you is like
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You know eating healthy it requires a little bit more preparation and thought but the health effects are worth it
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And it's quite nice to live the kind of life where you hand wash your sweaters and lay them out to dry
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Um, it's it's thoughtful and it's it's better not only for your body but for your mind
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So just from that last piece. So that list that you just shared with us they can find that on your website, right?
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Yes, so we put out um at ego colt we put out shopping guides for every product category
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Um, and we
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Seek our reader feedback on their experiences as well with all of the clothing um, and uh the latest research
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I put out the latest research on not just clothing, but all the environmental toxins and how to avoid them every week
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So that the best place to find you is on ecocult.com
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ecocult.substac.com ecocult.substac.com
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And then obviously your book um, I highly recommend that everyone buy and read this book to die for by all-in-wicker
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Powerful book. Thank you. Transform my life learning this information. It's upleveled everything that I'm doing
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I'm making wiser choices. Um, I was just thinking oh it's organic and uh, and it means it's safe
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But then you know through mutual friend Michael who introduced us and I just
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Just love love what you're doing. I think it's so important especially for our children
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Um, for women for people just struggling with their health and autoimmune conditions and
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It's just uh, it's just something that I think that everybody's interested in and it needs to be talked about more is there
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Social media pages that because I know you're like, uh, you know, in and out so can so those two places
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But if they if they were to go on Instagram, where would they go? If you decide to go back and start cooking
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Go to eco cult. Eco cult. Yeah. Um, you can find me there find you there and then you are in and on
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They can go follow you on tiktok. You might not post anything and I have uh, yeah, they can look through my old
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Pieces on tiktok. I've also spoken about um safe homes
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Um, because I've renovated my home to be healthy. So I have a docky series called home safe home sick home
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To teach you how to make your make home safe home. So I'm a big proponent. I think it's the same thing
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It's the same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing. We we use absolutely plastics and glues and toxins and from out of hides and it
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We put it up in its cheap like fast fashion, but it's fast homes that are making us sick. Yeah, the fast home industry
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We'll call it. So that's cool. We're on the same page there. What else are we on the same page with?
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Well, anybody can email me as well my my emails is accessible on on my website
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That's awesome and you respond and connect with people. I do respond. Yeah, I love it
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People are very kind um, and I love receiving stories from people about how this book in my work has um
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helped transform their life for the better
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Yeah, we didn't discuss this earlier, but you're like an award-winning journalist. I am yeah, so this out in this not like
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She's a powerhouse, you know
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Well, I want I won the Rachel Carson book award and if you know Rachel Carson is the one who wrote Silent Spring which um
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brought America
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Brought the attention of America to the danger of pesticides and how it was ruining our health and the environment
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So yeah, so you're she's really doing it like really making a difference
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Really helping a lot of people and man am I honored you flew all the way out here from Vermont to spend time on the non toxic living
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It's the perfect fit
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I it's been an honor honor and privilege. Wow. I can't wait to have you back. Thanks
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