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Patriots Unfiltered 10/6: Observations/Analysis from Week 4 Win Over Bills · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 1: What are you pointing at?
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  Speaker 3: Paul Poe on TV.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't let you talk a lot yesterday. It had
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  Speaker 4: nothing to do with lead.
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  Speaker 5: That was tough.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start with Herm and DC.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, Herm?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, come on. I didn't make you wait that long.
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  Speaker 5: All right, you're done.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they're hiding any of their tricks. I
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  Speaker 4: think they're out there in plain sight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen them.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to ask Evan when he was in
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  Speaker 4: the middle of that, but I kind of zoned out.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 5: Easy, easy.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even here.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a truly astounding record for the ball knower.
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  Speaker 4: Three full weeks into the season, he's 21-27. Because he
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  Speaker 4: uses stats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: With the spread, Paul also leads that 27-21.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Talking in third person.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll pick the Jets to cover that. It's an
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  Speaker 2: empty carcass pick for me.
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  Speaker 4: What does that mean? I was thinking the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. We're all smiles today, baby. Big win.
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  Speaker 5: Big win. Boy, what a difference a week makes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: What a difference a quarterback makes. What a difference, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, a certain wide receiver makes. It's just going
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  Speaker 2: to be a great week.
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  Speaker 4: Death taxes and Mike Vrabel as a touchdown underdog, man.
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  Speaker 5: There you go. No, he's good at that, huh?
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  Speaker 4: Something like 10 and 8 outright when 6-point underdog or more.
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  Speaker 2: He knows how to motivate those guys. All right, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about it all.
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  Speaker 1: Is Evan here?
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  Speaker 4: He's coming back. You've got to let Alex out.
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  Speaker 1: Alex can't go through the building alone.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, all the people that stop him for
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  Speaker 5: autographs and pictures.
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  Speaker 4: Correct. Especially this week, Alex is getting his flowers with
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  Speaker 4: his Bill's Josh Allen hate.
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  Speaker 5: That's true.
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  Speaker 4: He's smelling his farts, as you like to say.
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  Speaker 5: He really is.
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  Speaker 1: He told you he's not good, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: He did, and I didn't listen. He was right.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So, it's Paul. It's Deuce. It's me. It's going to
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  Speaker 5: be Evan. It's Matt in the booth.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking Patriots-Bills wrapping up this game because this is
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  Speaker 2: the first time we've other than the postgame show, had
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  Speaker 2: talked about it with all of you.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know where to start.
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  Speaker 4: Just a really solid performance all around. I was joking
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  Speaker 4: around off the top, but it does start with Mike Grable,
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  Speaker 4: I think. He does a great job of motivating a
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  Speaker 4: team when it's sort of the back gets up against
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  Speaker 4: the wall and there's a lot of doubt. So that
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  Speaker 4: was where it started, but you know, I talked all
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  Speaker 4: last week. We can talk about all these different schemes
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  Speaker 4: and all these X's and O's and all the game
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  Speaker 4: plan oriented stuff, but none of it really matters if
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  Speaker 4: Drake May continues to play the way he did the
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  Speaker 4: first three weeks. He finally resembled the guy that we
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  Speaker 4: saw in 2025. I say finally, a month into the season.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like they had to endure the years and
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  Speaker 4: years of hardship, but he was really good in the
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  Speaker 4: game and that was the difference. To me, the.
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  Speaker 5: The defense is also a story. Defense played well.
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  Speaker 2: They played a real disciplined game, controlled pass rush with Allen.
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  Speaker 2: Even when they did flush him out of the pocket,
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  Speaker 2: they made sure that he didn't have– I think his
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  Speaker 2: longest run was four yards. So I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a really controlled, well-played, disciplined game by the defense. But
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  Speaker 2: getting back to what you said, Paul, about Drake May,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about why the turnaround. What happened
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  Speaker 2: between last week and this week that allowed him to
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  Speaker 2: play the way he did?
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  Speaker 5: And I know Evan's going to break it down. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: it was this motion. It was this scheme.
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  Speaker 1: It was that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure that had something to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, it had to be the week of
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  Speaker 2: practice and the support that he got, starting with Vrabel
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  Speaker 2: but from his teammates. Because if you go into– if
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  Speaker 2: you went out of the last game saying this is
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  Speaker 2: a mental thing with him, you can't go into this
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  Speaker 2: game and not say a mental thing had to do
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  Speaker 2: with the turnaround. You can't just say, oh, it was
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  Speaker 2: the scheme. Because the mental stuff was still there. So
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  Speaker 2: something had to help his mentals, as Marshawn Lynch would say,
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  Speaker 2: to get to that space where he could perform the
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  Speaker 2: way he did.
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  Speaker 3: It's an interesting observation because I think The biggest takeaway
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  Speaker 3: I had was just that it wasn't perfect, and he
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  Speaker 3: had some mistakes, and he dropped the snap, and those
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  Speaker 3: problems and clunkiness still showed up, but he all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden seemed to have the confidence.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't snowball.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The confidence to ignore that play and continue fighting, because
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  Speaker 3: that's what these games with Josh Allen usually come down to.
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  Speaker 3: It's a back and forth, so I'm not sure where
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  Speaker 3: he got it. Maybe in practice, but to have... fumbles,
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  Speaker 3: drops snaps, an interception's not really your fault, you lose
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  Speaker 3: your favorite receiver again in the game, and he just
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  Speaker 3: kept playing. And if he continues to do that, then
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  Speaker 3: to Paul's point, they can get back to the kind
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  Speaker 3: of team they were last year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was what stood out to me. Mike
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  Speaker 4: and I were here watching the game, Fred, and a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times you were like, uh-oh, is this going
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  Speaker 4: to be one of those turning points in the game
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  Speaker 4: where the adversity comes and it snowballs? But every time
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  Speaker 4: they had something bad happen... They generally had an answer
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  Speaker 4: for it, and Drake was usually the guy who had
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  Speaker 4: the answer for it. The biggest thing for me? His legs.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we could talk about him stepping into throws.
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  Speaker 4: I agree. We could talk about some of his receivers
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  Speaker 4: making plays for him that we hadn't really seen. Dobbs, Chisholm,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I agree. Hunter Henry was a bigger part
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  Speaker 4: of this game than he's been the first three weeks.
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  Speaker 4: I agree. But his ability to get out and make...
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  Speaker 4: you know, those easy yards that back break, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the defense. And, you know, second play of the game,
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  Speaker 4: they backed up on their own three-yard line, and he's
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  Speaker 4: coming out of his end zone. He's flushed out of
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  Speaker 4: the pocket. He scoots away, you know, gets, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: 15 or so yards, you know, for a first down.
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  Speaker 4: I thought he was running free and easy. I think
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  Speaker 4: that's when he's at his best. When he's moving around,
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  Speaker 4: he's kind of feeling it. You know, I said last week,
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  Speaker 4: you got to try to hit him early if you're
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  Speaker 4: the opponent, and it kind of gets him off his game. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I think Those kinds of scrambles get him on his game.
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  Speaker 4: And I think he was sharp, really, for 60 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: And contrast that with Josh Allen, who didn't have those
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  Speaker 3: plays and didn't feel on his game. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we speculated why. And, you know, it all seems kind
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  Speaker 3: of connected. But I totally agree with Paul. Those scrambles
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  Speaker 3: were a huge play. It was a huge part of
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  Speaker 3: things last year. And somehow that got his confidence going.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't really have a run game again. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just kind of had to squeeze it out.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, just okay. But he was the run game, you know.
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  Speaker 4: 54 yards, I think he ended up with. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I do wonder if just kind of making some plays,
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  Speaker 4: you know, moving the chains by himself. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 4: back to Vrabel, they obviously knew they were going to
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  Speaker 4: need points against Josh Allen. Mike said it again on Monday.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Mike Dussault and I were at the press conference,
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  Speaker 4: and he reiterated it. We know who we're playing. We
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  Speaker 4: know we need points. So they're going for fourth downs,
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  Speaker 4: and they're converting the fourth downs again. So that's more
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  Speaker 4: confidence for Drake May in the offense. It was by
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  Speaker 4: far the offense's best performance. But not to overshadow the defense,
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  Speaker 4: because I thought the defense was good, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially the guys they were missing. I mean, that
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  Speaker 3: was not have Barmore, not have Gonzalez. We kept pointing
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  Speaker 3: out in our rap shows just the coverage. It just
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  Speaker 3: seemed like Josh Allen. Didn't know what he was seeing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say didn't know, but just didn't
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  Speaker 1: like what he was seeing and going through his reads.
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  Speaker 4: He was very rarely able to get on his back
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  Speaker 4: foot and throw the ball to the first thing that
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  Speaker 4: he wanted to throw the ball to. He quite frequently
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  Speaker 4: was forced to pump and look for something else. Now
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  Speaker 4: he's still great, so he found a way to put
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  Speaker 4: 26 points on the board anyway. on what I would
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  Speaker 4: say was a bad day for Buffalo in their offense.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they ever really looked good. I think
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots' defense played better than the Buffalo offense the
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  Speaker 4: whole day. And then you look up and they still
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  Speaker 4: got 26.
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  Speaker 2: I think it started with good coverage. I mean, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, his force free wasn't there. And then when
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  Speaker 2: he did take off, they... He didn't take off.
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  Speaker 4: Not a single time in the game.
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  Speaker 5: When he had to leave the pocket, they had the edges,
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  Speaker 5: you know... you know, spoken for.
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  Speaker 4: So all the runs were, were sneaks. They had one
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  Speaker 4: designed run that ended up losing three yards, I believe,
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  Speaker 4: but everything else was a quarterback sneak. And I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: whether the Patriots defense gets the credit for that or
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen gets the blame for not doing more of that, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: whatever the reason. I tried to, to ask my Grable
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  Speaker 4: about that yesterday at the press conference. And you just,
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  Speaker 4: that's what Fred said. It's just, It's good, disciplined front
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  Speaker 4: seven defense.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to shout out, too, the starts to
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  Speaker 1: the two halves.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I thought come out and force a three
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  Speaker 3: and out, a 97-yard touchdown drive, and then I didn't
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  Speaker 3: think going into the half wasn't great again, but coming
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  Speaker 3: out of the half, you get the ball, you have
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  Speaker 3: a chance, you go right down and score again. I
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  Speaker 3: thought those were two things that seemed like they had
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  Speaker 3: the guys locked in, they knew what they wanted to do,
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  Speaker 3: they had a good plan. Josh had a play sheet
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  Speaker 3: that they felt good about. Some of it breaks down
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  Speaker 3: in Drake. picks him up with his legs, but just
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  Speaker 3: that kind of performance on the road. They've had three
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  Speaker 3: tough road games now. They're starting to get that sense
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  Speaker 3: a little bit about them. It was a hostile environment.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to talk about the new stadium there.
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  Speaker 2: They went from 70,000 seats down to 60,000 seats, but
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  Speaker 2: the way they configured the new stadium, you wouldn't know it.
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  Speaker 5: It's more closed in. It's steeper. It's like a coliseum.
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  Speaker 2: You're really surrounded, much like Kansas City, where the top
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  Speaker 2: row is high up there, but it's looking down on
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  Speaker 2: it it's not out like you would see in New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans for example that stadium goes way deep this is
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  Speaker 2: high up and then they have the overhang that extends
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  Speaker 2: pretty much over to the sideline doesn't cover the field
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  Speaker 2: but it does cover the sideline so you know, the
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  Speaker 2: way they say, the sound is supposed to bounce up
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  Speaker 2: and then back in.
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  Speaker 5: And it was pretty darn loud.
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  Speaker 2: They had the little transom windows in the press box,
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  Speaker 2: which is a nice little feature, and they had those
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  Speaker 2: open so we could hear the noise from outside.
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  Speaker 5: It was pretty loud.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a hostile environment.
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  Speaker 4: That would annoy me.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel them getting agitated, the Bills fans, as
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  Speaker 1: the game went on?
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  Speaker 5: Well, listen, you know, all this talk about Bills fans,
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  Speaker 5: they're the best fans, blah, blah, blah. Boy, they give
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  Speaker 5: up easy. Boy, they give up easy.
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  Speaker 4: Well they're used to it even at the end when
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  Speaker 4: it was still a game i mean the bills had
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  Speaker 4: three people were heading to the parking lots oh my
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  Speaker 4: god i mean oh after the pick yeah yeah that's game.
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  Speaker 5: No no not after the pick before that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh before josh allen threw the pick they were heading
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  Speaker 4: to the parking lot they were now that's just poor.
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  Speaker 2: To me silly they were i was i was looking
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  Speaker 2: at something what's going on here uh you know so
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  Speaker 2: and uh I think they might even mention it on
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  Speaker 2: the broadcast. I'm like, oh, fans are leaving a little earlier.
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  Speaker 2: I forget where I heard that. It might have been
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  Speaker 2: just somebody mentioning it in the press box. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised. Like, they were pissed off.
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  Speaker 4: They should be.
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  Speaker 1: They should be.
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  Speaker 4: That's the kind of game that they consistently lose.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but it's also the kind of game that they
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  Speaker 5: come back and win.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not talking about being close. I'm saying, like,
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  Speaker 4: It's the same exact spot they were in last year.
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  Speaker 4: We have a chance to put a foot on their
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  Speaker 4: throat and have a three-game lead and end the division
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  Speaker 4: here in September, early October. And they lose.
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  Speaker 5: I think the fans were embarrassed to lose to us.
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  Speaker 4: They should have been. There's a game that the Bills
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  Speaker 4: are a touchdown favorite. The Patriots come in all banged up.
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  Speaker 5: Put them away.
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  Speaker 4: That's a bad performance if you're a Buffalo. I understand
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  Speaker 4: why they were upset. But, again, normally, I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't say normally. There are times where you and I
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  Speaker 4: argue because I'll tell you, no, that was Buffalo played bad.
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  Speaker 4: And you'll say, well, your Patriots get no credit. I
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  Speaker 4: give the Patriots all the credit in this one because
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots played well in the game. They weren't perfect,
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  Speaker 4: but they played well, and they played better than Buffalo
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  Speaker 4: the whole game. And only because Buffalo was good were
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  Speaker 4: they still in the game.
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  Speaker 2: To play as bad as the Patriots played the week
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  Speaker 2: before and to expect them to play perfect this week
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  Speaker 2: I think is unrealistic. I think what we saw was
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  Speaker 2: really good in that, like you guys said, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of mistakes.
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  Speaker 5: It was sloppy.
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  Speaker 2: Turnovers and possibly other that should have been turnovers.
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  Speaker 8: But.
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  Speaker 2: the discipline was there on both offense and defense that
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  Speaker 2: we didn't see last week. And I think last week
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  Speaker 2: they obviously quit, you know, like the defense lost hope,
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  Speaker 2: all hope.
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  Speaker 5: And like the end of that game was just a mess.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There was no quit in this game, even when it
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  Speaker 5: looked like, Oh, here come the bills.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and they took the lead and, um, you know, they,
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  Speaker 2: they stuck to their rules. They stuck to their discipline. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: Drake may, uh, you know, could have turtled, had reason to,
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  Speaker 2: but didn't. So I just think that the mindset going
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  Speaker 2: into this game stuck throughout the game, and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the good guys won.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's remarkable how Drake just looked better this week,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and that's one of the funny things about
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  Speaker 3: this sport where, you know, they're just games where your
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  Speaker 3: team can just look like they don't have a clue,
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  Speaker 3: and then they can come back and actually look like
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  Speaker 3: they do. But I'm just thinking of the, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the touchdown throw to Dobbs where it's like, His footwork
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  Speaker 3: looks good. He's going through his reads.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Bang.
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  Speaker 4: Because he knows what he's got, you know, backside. But
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  Speaker 4: you've got to get the safety out of there, and
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  Speaker 4: you've got to look this way. You've got to do
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  Speaker 4: a little pump fake. He was patient. I agree with Mike.
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  Speaker 4: We can, you know, and I know when Ev gets here,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he's going to give us probably a lot
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  Speaker 4: of really valid reasons and tactical things that they did.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really.
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  Speaker 5: Get your oxygen now because he's going to take it out.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not overly interested in all of it, and it's
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  Speaker 4: not like a snarky Paul, like, oh, you do your
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  Speaker 4: ex's nose on your own time. I do feel that
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  Speaker 4: way in general, but in this game, we can talk
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  Speaker 4: about all of it.
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  Speaker 6: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: But the only thing that really mattered on Sunday... was
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  Speaker 4: what Mike is talking about, how Drake looked. Because if
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  Speaker 4: it didn't continue, if it continued the way it was
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  Speaker 4: the first three weeks, they may have won a game
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  Speaker 4: because their defense won a game for them, but the
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  Speaker 4: problem wouldn't be solved. And the problem, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: is solved now, but I feel a hell of a
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  Speaker 4: lot better today about the quarterback than I did coming in.
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  Speaker 5: It's a reminder to him And to us, but more
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  Speaker 5: to him, you can do this.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You belong here. You're an NFL quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: You deserve to be a starting quarterback in this league,
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  Speaker 2: in the face of this franchise.
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: This is good.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about.
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: You're good enough?
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about some other individuals who stood out for
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: you aside from Drake Mayne.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Can I start? Go ahead.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: It wasn't a big.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: Were you going to say Henderson?
• 15:06
  Speaker 9: No.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: No, I thought.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I think we both thought it was going to
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: be something, but go ahead. I.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: He didn't have a great game, but I thought I
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: saw more in terms of footwork from Trevion Henderson than
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I've seen all season.
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: That's a weird one to start with.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Just a little footwork, a couple little moves to get
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: a couple extra yards. I haven't seen that, and maybe
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: because he had a little bit more space to do that.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: But I thought that his footwork in close spaces, I'm
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: not talking.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: About the open field, was the best I've seen so far.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Trevion Henderson. Yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: And I had a really good angle.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: We were up high, but not high enough where you couldn't...
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: You know, of course, I had my binoculars, too.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Just a quick feet.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I thought he showed something that I haven't seen yet
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: so far this season.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't. That didn't really stand out to me, but I.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, he did a good job with his
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: speed to avoid a five-yard loss on the reverse and
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: then turned it into an 11-yard gain, which goes down
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: as whatever, like, 16 yards after contact.
• 16:10
  Speaker 10: Like, because.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: I love the, the yards after contact that come out
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: after these games.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I remember that play. Cause I sat,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: I said, use your speed, use your speed.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: And he did. And he was able to shake off
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: that tackle and he, and he got the edge and,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: you know, just because he was fast enough, he ended
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: up turning into a positive play and that's fine. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: didn't necessarily see, I mean, I thought he did a
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: better job of moving the pile forward, you know, in,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: in the hole, but remand rate to me still gets
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: more yards that aren't there.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, sure.
• 16:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Um, But Mike, do you have anybody that you want
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: to give?
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I just, you know, I continue to enjoy watching Gabe
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Ackes develop. I mean, it's a, I mean, I watched
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: it live, you know, when he had Dawkins on skates there,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: it's just, you know, you're seeing the power and the
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: aggressiveness kind of translate. There was another one that stood
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: out to me with Kincaid trying to block him. And
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: it was like, he's just, he's just a very, very
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: strong player.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: So I think that's been a great development.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I spent so much time this summer talking about my
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: concern for the edges. I think he's really starting to develop.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: And I think, You know, Ponder, it's the same thing.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: It's developing.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: He's a guy that needs to get comfortable being in
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: space a little bit more.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And I think some of the issues on the defense
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: is when.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Who are those two guys?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Ponder. Who was that?
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Who were the two guys?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Akis and Ponder.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Akis and Ponder? You know what they say, Fred.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: What's that?
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Akis makes the heart grow Ponder.
• 17:26
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: Oh, boy.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: He came up with that one this weekend.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I said Fred's going to like that one.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: That's good.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: My hard score on Ponder for both of them, though,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I just think they've been solid, and it's been a
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: huge concern of mine, and I think you've got a
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: second-year player and a first-year player that look like they
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: can belong.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: There's a ways to go.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I think that especially playing in space for both of them,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: dropping out, that they have to understand the spacing a
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: little bit better. But just in terms of being strong
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: on the edge and giving them solid reps, Draymond Jones
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: came back and played a bunch with his injury, too.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: I think Draymond Jones deserves a lot of credit for
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: dislocated shoulder, reportedly.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I should say. Looked like it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: And he played through pain, and I thought he was
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: a presence in that game. I hear what you're saying
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: about more so Ackis, but Ponder, I think, has been
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: pretty good. Agus, to me, has these flash plays that
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: everybody loves to see, and the one that, you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: obviously he got Doc Dawkins off balance and knocked him over.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: That's great. It's a great rep. I'd like to see
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: more than, like, these physically dominant or, you know, played
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: or two, but As a rookie, he's doing exactly what
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I think we all kind of envisioned. He's going to
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: be a regular contributor on defense on the edge. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: think he's doing exactly what we had all hoped he
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: would do. The guy that I really thought took a
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: step forward was Romeo Dobbs. Again, not perfect. The slant,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: that's a terrible throw from May, but still shouldn't be
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: an interception. It can't be an interception. And then I
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: thought May made an absolutely perfect throw to him the
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: play before the Chisholm touchdown.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Is that the one to the sideline?
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: There was a couple of plays before. It wasn't the
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: play before. Yes. The same sideline. Perfect.
• 19:14
  Speaker 12: Excellent.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Perfect. Perfect throw. And that's, that's a hard throw.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: And he couldn't, and he couldn't quite, you know, corral it,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: but two fourth down catches, two touchdown catches. One of
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: them one handed, um, didn't get the same amount of
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: attention for his one handed catch. Well, um, But I
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: thought a really big step forward for him, and specifically
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: the fourth down catches, just like these timing, quick back
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: foot balls out, seven yard out. This is what we
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: saw all summer. Like when people were like, why do
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: you guys keep talking about Romeo? Well, that's what we saw.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: And about the early part of camp through the bulk
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: of camp, those are the kind of pitching catches. And,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you know, hopefully it's a start. And I know Drake
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: talked about it last week. Drake May talked about it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: It's like he knows what he has in Romeo Dobbs.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: It's coming. It's coming. So maybe this is the start. Again,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: not perfect. A couple of missteps, you know, for Dobbs.
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: But I thought the big plays in the game, he
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: was he delivered.
• 20:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Evans here.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: We're just we've kind of gone through kind of the 50000.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Now we're just kind of picking out individuals who we thought.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: had good games, and I think, you know, obviously everybody
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: needed to do something. The secondary, there's no way that
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: they win this game without the good coverage. I think
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it started there, and, you know, I think, you know, Carlton,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you took the words out of my mouth.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: He had a really good game. Really good game.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: It was up the screen game, huh?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Recognition. I mean, he seems to get it, and he's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: already moving on it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, Woodson had a good, I think Marcus Jones
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: had a good game.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I think the best player on defense may have been
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Christian Ellis. I thought he was really active in the game,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: and his physicality shows up to me every game. Every week,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: he seems like he blows somebody up. It was Dawson
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Knox this week.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: He's getting a reputation for it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I think Spillane did a great job doing all the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: dirty work in the middle.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Good coverage.
• 21:06
  Speaker 14: Yep.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Picking things up.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: They did a lot of things well.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: I thought the coverage was maybe a little worse than
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: you guys did.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Well, stop there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: I don't want to start on a negative thing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious because to me, without the good coverage
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: and then, of course, the discipline, respect to Josh Allen,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: extending plays.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: None of that happens on defense.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: It started with good coverage, and that's why Allen couldn't
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: go to his first read.
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: Okay, yeah. I thought they busted like four or five zones.
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: Craig Woodson twice. You had Keon Coleman ran right by him.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Woods.
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: That for what would have been like a gigantic completion.
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: Coleman dropped it. They also had a hold, so it
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: would have come back. But they had that play. Woodson
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: vacated the post on the touchdown.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I think it was Palmer who dropped that pass, by
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the way.
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: Oh, Palmer.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: But it wouldn't have counted.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah. Counts on the film. Oh, yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: No, for the coverage, it counts.
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: Charles Woods expecting Woodson to be in the post on
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: the touchdown. He vacates the post. They score the touchdown. Woods,
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: I thought, a couple of times in the deep third
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: was kind of not. His depths were off, and they
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: gave up a couple of chunks into the sideline that way.
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: The fourth down play. Christian Ellis, and I forget who
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: the corner was on that side of the field. They
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: covered the same guy. They had a bust on that
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: fourth down play. It was a nine-yard completion. Keep the Bills'
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: offense on the field, so... So the thing that I
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: really liked about the coverage was how it was, was
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: against Kincaid. I thought Spillane did a really nice job
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: specifically against Kincaid and just kind of plastering to Kincaid
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: in the middle of the zone. Every single time Kincaid
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: was on the field, a buyer did it early in
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: the game on the first third down play of the game.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: He was in the post and, jump Kincaid's route coming
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: over across the field. So I thought that they did
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: a really good job on Kincaid. Then they did a
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: really good job containing Josh Allen on the, on the scrambles.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: And that those are kind of in the passing game,
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: at least that's Buffalo's one and two option, right? Is
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: Josh Allen scrambling and extending plays and Kincaid. So, uh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: taking those two guys out, uh, you know, was, was good. Um,
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: Keon Coleman had a huge game. in this game, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: I don't really think super highly of Keon Coleman as
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: a player, but he impressed me in the game on Sunday.
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: But I thought that really those two things, taking Kincaid
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: out and the scramble.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Is a big part of it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You mentioned individual plays that were screw-ups, and they're going
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to happen. But overall, I think I'd give the secondary
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a solid B in this game for their overall effort
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: in this game.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: What would you give them?
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: You know, Carlin Davis gave up two third down conversions.
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: You're going to give up some plays. He gave up
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: an explosive to Keon Coleman on a crossing route. I mean,
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: I'm just like, we're.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Just talking about what happened. They didn't shut him out.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: They basically scored 27 points.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Did you think they would?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: No, but I mean, they had an average day. They
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: had an average Bills day. Basically.
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: I thought the defense played really well because they made
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: Josh Allen and the Bills play left-handed.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I thought they played really well, too.
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: I'm just telling you that I would not say that
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: the corners were necessarily great in this game.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 24:37
  Speaker 15: Okay.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I thought they had a good game. I thought overall,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I think it was a really disciplined effort by the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: defense and the secondary.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: I thought that up front they were very disciplined. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: their pass rush and their coordination in the pass rush
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: to keep Allen in the pocket was a big part
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: of the reason why they won this game. That was
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: really good. And I thought that the plan overall, especially
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: without Gonzalez, to play a little bit more.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Supposedly, according to Joe Brady, it was supposed to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: easier to game plan. if Gonzalez was playing.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: For the Patriots?
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: No.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Did you hear about him? He said in the production
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: meeting that it kind of made it more difficult with
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: him out. And I think what he was talking about
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: was that you know you're going to get manned a
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: lot with Gonzalez because he's so good. And this sort
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: of lent some... Now, I put it on Joe Brady because...
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: The guy didn't practice all week. It should not have
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: come as a shock to you on Friday when he
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: was declared out. And you kind of have to know that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Not a lot of teams can just play you man
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: because you have Josh Allen, and you can't just play
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: man against him the whole game because he's going to
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: kill you with his running. So that's another instance that
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Joe Brady I don't think is ready.
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: I thought Joe Brady and the Bills' overall game plan, philosophy,
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: whatever you want to call it offensively, I kind of
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: thought the Bills took the Bills out of the game
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: offensively in a lot of ways. They just didn't play
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: their brand of football. They played really heavy three-wide receiver
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: game for them, even without DJ Moore for large stretches
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: of the game. James Cook only runs the ball 12
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: times in the game, which I thought was surprising.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Why do you think they did that?
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: Because Gonzalez was out. Without Gonzalez, they thought that they
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: were going to be able to throw all over the
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: yard on the Patriots.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: And they weren't able to do that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: I mean, they still kind of did, but that's besides
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: the point. We don't have to keep arguing about this.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: The.
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: I thought the Bills took the Bills out of the
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: game offensively in a lot of ways with their approach.
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: They had come into the game last week, all last week.
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: I'm calling them the bully ball Bills, right? They're putting
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: multiple tight ends on the field. The quarterback's under center.
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: It's James Cook down your throat. It's play action off
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: of James Cook's run game. And this game was a
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: completely different departure from that. They played a ton of
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: 11 personnel. They didn't play Kincaid a ton. He only
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: ran 17 routes in the game. They they didn't play
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: their game of football. And I thought that eventually they
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: the Patriots defense outlasted Allen, obviously, with the play at
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: the end of the game by Woodson. So that was
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: the most surprising thing to me from like a Bill's
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: game plan standpoint. is that they went so three receiver heavy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: And I honestly think that they, they got baited into
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: it by Gonzalez being out. I, I highly doubt that
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: that would have been the approach of Christian Gonzalez had
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: played in the game. And, uh, they ran the ball
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: effectively when they ran it. They, uh, just didn't run
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: it enough and they didn't play their game of football
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: with the big tight ends and all that stuff.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Heaven's totally depressed me now. I'm back where I was
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: last week.
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: Don't say that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to come in here negative.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I was feeling so good.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I realize the Bills just didn't play good.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: This is why my opening point was I don't really
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: care about all the other stuff because Drake May was
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: back to looking like Drake May. The Patriots formula for success.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: There's got to be that. He needs to be good.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I think the Bills' approach could have worked if the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Patriots hadn't played as well as they did on defense.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: It would have worked if Drake May wasn't great. They
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: still scored 26 points. They didn't get held to 13.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: We all said they're not going to win this game 13-10.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: The offense needs to win the game. The offense won
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the game. The defense played well.
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: They did a lot of really good things. I like
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: I I keep saying it like the scrambles in Kincaid.
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: Like those were the two things in the passing game
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: that I would have also tried to take away. They
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: did that well. Now, the Kincaid thing is like to
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: me is a little bit usage related. Like if you're
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: going to play three receivers and you're only going to
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: put one tight end on the field, if Kincaid is
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: the tight end, then you can't really run the ball
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: as well because he's not a blocker. So essentially that
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: becomes like 10 personnel. It becomes four wide receivers.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Don't you think maybe at some point Brady said, you
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: know what, they're taking away Kincaid. And that's why he
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: only had 17 routes.
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: I think that he only had 17 routes because personnel wise,
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: if they wanted to stay a little bit balanced and
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: run the football, he can't be the only tight end
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: on the field. because they don't trust him as a blocker.
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: So that I think is really what happened. So if
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: you don't play multiple tight ends, which allows like Knox
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: to really be the inline guy or Haas to really
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: be the inline guy. And then Kincaid's basically just like
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: a big slot receiver at that point. Like that's what
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: they were doing in the first couple of weeks of
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: the season.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: This to me. And again, I think the defense played
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: really well. I told you that even before Evan got here.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: I don't even know why we went down this road.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: So I'm not changing that. But again, I think it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: all predicated on the offense. The offense had mammoth drives
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: in this game, four reasonably long touchdown drives.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: This defense is a good offense.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: And this is what I'm saying. Like, you know, why
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: did James Cook only have 12 carries? Well, he was
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: on the sideline for a long time. You know, they
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: still should have ran it more. I think Joe Brady
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: did not call a great game. I agree with everything
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: that Evan said. But I'm giving the Patriots credit for forcing,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: as Evan pointed out, Buffalo to play left-handed. They didn't
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: do some of the things that they normally do. Mike
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: pointed out right off the top. First drive. First of all,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Joe Brady's first mistake of the day comes foolishly taking
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the ball. Like... You have Drake May who's in an
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: absolute blender for three weeks. Get him on the field
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: as fast as you can and see if you can
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: continue that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Why do you think they did that?
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: They keep taking the ball.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: They keep taking the ball.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: They did that in the first home game. That's what
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: they do. The first home game they did it and
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Joe Brady said we wanted to feed off the energy
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: of the crowd in the first home game of the
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: new plays. I just thought it was a one-off. Now
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: it's a pattern.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're going to feed off the energy,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you go on defense and keep the crowd in it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: So they've been taking the ball.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: I agree. And then they go three and out, which
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: exacerbates the problem.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Throwing.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: You know, it just.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: It makes me wonder about Joe Brady.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, we talked a lot about great start. You know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: he's going to.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Have some adversity overthinking things too much. I mean, do
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you just, like, get back to, let's just do what
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: we do best and not try to, like.
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: If I was Buffalo, that's... Like, do you have enough
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: talent on offense?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And they.
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: Sometimes it clicks into me about the talent on the
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: other team when they do the intros. And they do
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: the individual intros on the offensive side of the ball
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: for Buffalo. And the offensive line's running out, and I'm like,
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: holy crap, these guys are huge. Like Deion Dawkins, Spencer Brown,
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: then James Cook comes, and Josh Allen comes, and I'm like...
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: It's a good group.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: It's a good group.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And Keon Coleman.
• 31:37
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: And then the, and the Patriots come, you know, the, the,
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: the bills come out and they try to spread the
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: Patriots out and throw it all over them. And I'm like, okay,
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: if you want to let the Patriots play in three
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: corner nickel and just like play like that, that's their
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: bread and butter. Like that's that core in his bag.
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: When you play that way, like if you want to
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: beat the Patriots, I just wouldn't play him that way,
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: but I don't want to, you know, but I do
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: keep doing it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: See, but I do think the Patriots did a good
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: job on cook for the first three quarters of the game.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Like the, like, He got hot in the fourth quarter,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: and I think Evan's right, but I don't think, like
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: the first, the three and out was a run to
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Cook on first down, and then two, you know, two
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: passes after that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: It came like four or five yards.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And Kevin Byard, you know, made a play on the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: third down, the first third down of the game, which,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: you know, on Kincaid, he knocks the ball away. I think,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you know, the old adage of two things can be true.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: I think that Evan's right, that they didn't play to
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: their strengths enough. But I also think because the Patriots
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: had some success early, the plays were down for Buffalo early,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: and now you're on the sideline. And good offenses get
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: antsy when they're not on the field. And, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: let's face it, the second time they got the ball,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: they went right down the field and scored a touchdown. Like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: this is what I'm saying. Like, let's not overstate anything.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: They won the game because Drake May was back to 25,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Drake May. And the Patriots' offense was cooking. I mean,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: they had over 400 yards, four long touchdown drives, including
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: a game-winning drive. capped off by your guy, Freddie.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: We haven't even talked about him. I'm going to leave
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: a whole segment.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: That's after the break.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: He joined us for the post-game show. He had a
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: smile from ear to ear.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: He should.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: He should. It was a huge play in the game
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: and a huge play in the season, potentially.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I've gotten stuck on some Bills fans algorithm stuff. It's
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: feeding me Bills fans lamenting, but I've just seen a
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: lot of concern about their defense. That's a big question.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I understand Jim Leonard is new. but I think right
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: now they're wondering, are we going to be able to
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: turn this thing around, and is it going to hit?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Like you said, Paul, they'll be better late in the season.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I tend to agree with that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Maybe, but they're missing horses right now, and the only
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: thing I would say about them defensively is I thought
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: they were better against the run than I was anticipating,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: but there's holes all over that secondary. I know Drake
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: had some numbers, like tight window throws. I didn't see
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: a lot of tight window throws. I saw a lot
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: of just Drake getting with conviction, letting it fly to
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: guys that were open. You know, and again, like the
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: last throw to Efton Chisholm, that's probably, I mean, that's
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: a tight window of throw, but that's going to get completed. Like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the receiver's behind the defender, and as long as the
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: quarterback puts the ball where he's supposed to on a
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: play like that, and that's the difference between the first
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: three weeks. Instead of that throw being short to the
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: outside in Seattle, it's over the top, and it gives
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: your guy a chance to make a play. I know
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: it's not the same route, Ed. Don't yell at me.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: I know it wasn't the same play.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I saw him get agitated for a second.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: But when Drake's on, you know, like the touchdown to
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Romeo Dobbs, the first with his one-handed touchdown, the second
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: one for him, That's not going to get defended. I
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: know it's a tight window, but that's not going to
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: get defended. You can't stop it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: Him playing on time, in rhythm, in structure was just
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: night and day in this game. Getting through progressions, not
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: panicking in the pocket, not vacating pockets. Really just played...
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: In a rhythm. Really out of the shoot.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: The fact that there was a pocket, how did the
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: offensive line play?
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: Not great. And he handled it pretty well.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: It was all him.
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: And I thought that was what was the most reassuring
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: was that it wasn't like one of those days where
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: the pass rush disappeared from Buffalo.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Greg Russo's a problem.
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Russo and Deion Walker is as much of a
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: problem as well. He's a psycho, man.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: He's just.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Even your guy, the corpse of Chubb, made a couple
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: of plays in this game. He wasn't as good as
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Russo or anything like that, but he showed up a
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: little bit, too.
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the offensive line, especially the left side, struggled in
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: this game, but I thought that Mays, just right out
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: of the chute, playing on time, even the touchdown pass
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: to Dobbs, like Dobbs is coming out of the break
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: and the balls getting ripped out of Drake Mays hands.
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: And like just that timing to come off the initial read,
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: come backside to the post and rip it on time
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: is not, we weren't seeing that for the first three
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: weeks of the season. He was either holding the ball
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: too long or he's vacating the pocket when the initial
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: read wasn't there, like those types of things. And, uh,
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: That was really high-level NFL quarterbacking. How does it just happen?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Why does it just come back like this week?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Is it as simple as the defense? Can it be
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: as simple as that? There were more openings, more gaps,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: and the defense, Mike, as you said, was trying to
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: find itself.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: I wish I could answer that question because whatever they
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: said to him during the week, something– It switched, you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: a flip switch happened here. I don't know what it was,
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: but like they just. He just looked so much more.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: trusting of what was going on around him, the pocket,
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: the scheme, the receivers, you know, like I'm going to
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: pump here because it's going to move the zone. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: then I'm going to, this guy's now going to be open.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: If I look over there and move the safety, I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: going to come back to, you know, this route. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: it was just like, he had like, he had total
• 36:59
  Speaker 10: like holistic sense of what they were trying to do
• 37:01
  Speaker 10: and trying to accomplish offensively. And, uh, right out of
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: the gate. Like it wasn't like it, like, Oh, we
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: had a good first drive. And then it kind of, no,
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: it was like the first handful of plays of the game.
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: The first couple of dropbacks, he's already just completely locked in.
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: So I don't know what they did behind the scenes.
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: I don't know what they said. My guess is there's
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: something along the lines of, like, you've got to trust
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: that it's going to work. You've got to trust that
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: the protection is going to hold up, that the receivers
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: are going to do their jobs, and settle down a
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: little bit in the pocket because that's what.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: It looked like.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it was a big game
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: for Drake and a lot of the people. Big game
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: for Josh McDaniels, too, because fans were giving him some heat.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Not that he cares, but.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: They still are.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: They still are.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: I think it was a good game for Josh McDaniels.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: The quarterback looks like that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: I don't know if it was a Buffalo thing specifically,
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: and this is, I think, something that we're going to
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: have to see moving forward with, but the motion rate
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: increased significantly. The play-action rates increased significantly. Their run game
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: was significantly more diverse in this game. It was a
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: very big.
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: Change from what we saw in the first three weeks
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: of the season schematically. So were they emptying the clip
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: in a big divisional game? They're one and two. Their
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: backs are against the wall. Were they building to this
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: point all along? And he just like held his water
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: a little bit longer than some of us and was
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: more patient about it. Was it Buffalo specific? Like, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: guess we'll find out next week with the Raiders, but
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: they motion 75% of the time in this game is
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: the highest motion rate they had in three years. So
• 38:41
  Speaker 10: they were doing a lot more window dressing, a lot
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: more motioning at the snap, a lot more play action.
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: So like all of these are things that, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: when you hit these buttons, these, you know, they call
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: them easy buttons. Cause like, these are the things that
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: help offenses operate more efficiently and And Josh McDaniels brought
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: them all out in this game. I don't know where
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: that was the first three weeks of the season.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Did I see Matt Collins' motion out through the C-gap?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Did they pull some Ben Johnson stuff out of the way?
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: They were doing duo inserts.
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: They were doing fly sweeps. They were doing shifts into
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: the formations. Like, I mean, we're just.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden.
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: All of a sudden. All of a sudden. And, like, again,
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: You're welcome.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Juke Haas.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: No.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: It's harsh.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: It's like, do you get to like through week three
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and like, I guess we're going to have to do
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: some motion this year.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: It's just not working yet.
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: Working.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He looks at me.
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: No.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: I knew what you meant.
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: But they actually ran a couple plays out of empty,
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: and they didn't run Haas-Juke. I was like, oh, good. Because, like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: the Jaguars were just waiting for it on that one play.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: But they.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 39:44
  Speaker 10: Maybe this was a build-up all along, and we just
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: all kind of lost our patience a little bit about it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: But all of a sudden, that was what I was
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: expecting to see schematically based off of everything.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: And this is why people were like, oh, all these
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: drives into the opponent's territory, and it's just the turnovers,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: it's just the turnovers. And I was like, you see
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: the difference? If you didn't see the difference between how
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: much better they played offensively with all that... that Evan
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: just explained as compared to the first three weeks. That
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: was night and day. Drake looked in this game different
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: than he did in the first three.
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: They had one play, one run play, where they shifted
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: like two or three times.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And I was like, whoa. Like we haven't, what are we,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: you know, Evan's fanning himself down.
• 40:28
  Speaker 10: Oh my God.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Done some, I swear I'm off of layers of clothing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: First pop comes across the formation and goes from one
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: side of the field to the other that causes, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: the bills to have to bump or switch their, they're
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: passing strength of the formation. So they get the linebackers
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: to flip that opens the gap that they're trying to
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: run through. Then they take Eli rare and they shift
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: him across the formation. So they changed the, you know, the,
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: where the tight is, is on the field. Then they
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: put Eli rare in, in motion at the snap and
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: they have emotion into his block. And I was like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: where has this been? And thank you. Like this is,
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: I've just been waiting for these types of things to,
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: Their run game wasn't perfect. It wasn't great.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: But I thought it was better.
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: But it was better.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I did think it was better.
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: And when you have a better run game, the play-action
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: stuff starts to work. You get your offense into a rhythm.
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: And then all of a sudden, you put 29 points
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: on the board.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: All right. 855-PASS-500 is the hotline. Podcasts at Patriots.com is
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the email address.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Let's open it up.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: We haven't talked about Chisholm yet, but we'll get there.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Let's see. We'll start with Anthony in Seattle.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: What's up, Anthony? Hey, Fred, we got our guy back.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Who's our guy?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Drake Mays.
• 41:45
  Speaker 18: We got our guy back.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Because we got a lot of guys back, but Drake Mays, yep, okay.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: Hey, I got a couple of CU game balls to
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: give out. So the first game ball is going to
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: go to the one Frederick Kirsch, wide receiver whisperer. Listen,
• 42:02
  Speaker 15: I'm still– Probably a little more on Paul's side of
• 42:05
  Speaker 15: the street when it comes to Chisholm. But at least
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: for now, I'd like to thank you for having me
• 42:10
  Speaker 15: as a guest on Chisholm Island. I would have said
• 42:14
  Speaker 15: Eston Island, but I didn't want it to sound like.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: The other one.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: All are welcome.
• 42:18
  Speaker 15: And then the second game ball, let's see, won Michael Dussault.
• 42:23
  Speaker 18: All right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: Now, here's the thing.
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: I didn't think we were going to win this game.
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: But I also, you know, I knew we'd have a
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: better showing because this team always gets up for Buffalo.
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: And so I figured, you know, we.
• 42:36
  Speaker 18: Feel better coming out of this game.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: We'd be 1-3.
• 42:38
  Speaker 15: That's not the end of the world. Like I said,
• 42:40
  Speaker 15: I'm here for the journey. But the first inkling I
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: got that, you know what, maybe we're going to go
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: win this game. It happened on Thursday.
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: And it happened when Deuce picked.
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: The Bills, baby. I'm like, oh, yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: I get that everybody picked the Bills, but not everybody
• 42:56
  Speaker 15: has the same power that Deuce has to influence the
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: outcome of games based on who he picks to win.
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: He understood the assignment.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Backhanded compliment.
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: You know that with great power comes great responsibility. So
• 43:07
  Speaker 15: you went ahead, took one for the team, picked Buffalo,
• 43:10
  Speaker 15: and got us the win, baby. Game ball, Mike Deuce.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks, guys. All right. Well, a little preview. I think
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: one of only... Two games I got.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: What did I go?
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: 13-3?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: 13-3 for Mike.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I got three games wrong and one of them was
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the Patriots game.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Take that, Anthony.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Good for Mike.
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Winnipeg. Isaac's on the phone.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: What's up, Isaac?
• 43:34
  Speaker 18: Hey, can you hear me?
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 43:39
  Speaker 18: Oh, first time calling. Thank you for having my call.
• 43:42
  Speaker 18: I'm happy that we handed the Bills their first loss
• 43:46
  Speaker 18: in their new stadium, and I was all pumped up.
• 43:48
  Speaker 18: Then I started listening to Evan. I'm a fan of his,
• 43:50
  Speaker 18: by the way. I have, like, a signed jersey from
• 43:52
  Speaker 18: him that I got in Minneapolis. But he seems, like,
• 43:56
  Speaker 18: upset that we won against his Bills, so I don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 18: know how to react to that. I guess, like, we
• 44:02
  Speaker 18: were supposed to drop this game, but I'm happy we won,
• 44:05
  Speaker 18: and I'm happy his fanboy Josh Allen lost. I don't know.
• 44:10
  Speaker 18: I'm just excited that we are finally back on track.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: How long have you been a Patriots fan, Isaac?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 44:17
  Speaker 18: Like, when I was, like, six or seven. I'm originally
• 44:20
  Speaker 18: from Mexico, but I.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Moved to Winnipeg.
• 44:23
  Speaker 18: I've been following along.
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 18: I'm just happy that we won. I'm happy that we
• 44:29
  Speaker 18: destroyed the Bills. I'm happy that we actually won when
• 44:31
  Speaker 18: they were supposed to lose. Not like we dropped the
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: game in Seattle. So, finally, if they chose to play left-handed,
• 44:38
  Speaker 18: then we won when they were playing left-handed.
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: Great.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: That's all I have to say.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Isaac.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Isaac's happy.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: We're all happy. Who was upset that the Patriots won?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: You guys didn't hear that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: I think he was talking about me because he said
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: that Josh Allen fanboy or something like that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: You.
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: I couldn't totally understand, but maybe.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: How bad did that pass you through? You know, underneath him,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: upset bar. Be careful, Fred.
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: They don't like it when you criticize the refs on Twitter.
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: They don't like that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Was he in or out of the tackle box?
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: So they said he was out of the tackle box.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: They said he was out of the box.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: But the explanation on the field didn't say that.
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the explanation was that he was out of the
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: tackle box in the past.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: To reach the line of scrimmage. And there was a receiver, like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: you know me. I err on the side of it's
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: intentional grounding. If it were up to me in my league,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: there would be two or three intentional groundings.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: He intentionally grounded that ball.
• 45:33
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question about it. The way
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: they call it, that's never intentional grounding.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Which I think stinks. I think the league has got
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: it wrong. I think that that should be intentional grounding.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: That's like the definition of it. He was doing nothing
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: but trying.
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: To avoid a loss.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: Avoid a safety.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: That's all he was trying to do.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: That was obvious, but there would be a play like
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: that that would be gray area, and it's like, you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: there was a player.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: Kind of near. And they don't want the refs judging intent.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Shakir is, like, in the general vicinity, but not close
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: enough to make a play. He was, like, 10 yards
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: away from the ball. And how would he know?
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: His back was to the play.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: No, well, that's not the, you know, but that doesn't
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: matter because if, like, so should it not count if
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: he actually threw it right to Shakir and he ran
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: for a touchdown? Should it not count because he didn't
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: know he was there?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: I thought he was borderline out of the tackle box.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there was also a receiver in the quote-unquote
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: NFL vicinity, which I think is garbage because it was
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: not close.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: It's funny, you have to come up with enough factors
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: to prove it was intentional.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But you can't determine intent.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: I think they should just take the rule out of
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: the book or call it like they should.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: But what a dumb decision to do that. I mean,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: like Ravel said, that's... He easily could have been a
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: pick six.
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: I mean, every week he does something like that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: That was a really bad video.
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: I would say, like, seven out of ten times he
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: gets away with it, like he did on Sunday. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: it blows my mind how often he gets away with it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: You know, like, he had to throw it in the
• 46:59
  Speaker 10: Texans game where he arm punted the ball right to
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: the Texans.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a lot different than this.
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: And he dropped it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: This is just an egregiously, like, reckless play with the football.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like throwing pitch behind a score behind
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a score.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, I think the one in Houston, I think
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: he thinks the guy's going in and the guy goes
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: out and he might have been wrong. He might have
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: read the coverage wrong, but I don't think he threw
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: the ball to Lassiter on purpose. This play he threw
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: on purpose. To Fred's point, he has no idea who's there.
• 47:27
  Speaker 10: I mean, he makes a lot of those plays and
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: a lot of times they work too, which is why
• 47:32
  Speaker 10: he keeps doing it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: And you're welcome for letting everybody know about the rules,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: by the way, and the Marcus Jones play. I made
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: sure everybody was up to speed on that.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: You're welcome. I didn't know that rule. I didn't know
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: that rule.
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: Paul and I did.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: I didn't know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: But it's kind of a weird rule.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: This is still Patriots ball.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: No matter what you do on that play offensively, you
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: can't lose.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: That's the whole thing. That's why you picked it up.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: It's a free play, but it seems like it's weird.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Do you know if he picked it up and ran
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: 90 yards down the sideline and then fumbled, the ball
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: would go back.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: To the three-yard line?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I know, but if he got tackled and didn't fumble,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: that's where you get the ball, the five-yard line.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: So you can't lose it.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: It's a free return.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: It's a free play.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: That's why you picked it up. But why do you
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: think that is?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Because otherwise, the guys covering the punt would try to
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: knock the ball into the returner and, like, bank it
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: off his leg or something, and then they can recover
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: the fumble.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's good. I like that. That's good context, Paul.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't think about that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: It just seems like such a weird rule.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Why do they have four downs to get a first down?
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: It's not that obvious, Paul, but I am surprised by
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: how many people, including the referee on the field, who
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: pointed Bill's ball. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Including guys who have been in the arena.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: 90% of the Bills and Patriots. I thought it was.
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: The two people that knew that it was Patriots ball
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: were Marcus Jones and Paul.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: But the thing is.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Probably Jeremy Springer.
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: They were pointing Bill's ball, and I was like, your
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: job is to referee the game.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: The referee did signal Buffalo ball.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: How do you not know that?
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: That was crazy.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Because when I saw it, when it initially happened, all
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: of us, we got Jack and Troy and Mike and I,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: we're like, oh, and then... I immediately said, it's going
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: to still be Patriots ball. But then I see the
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: referee doing this and I'm like, did I not see that?
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: I said, did Buffalo not touch this?
• 49:30
  Speaker 10: Same thing happened to me.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Because I thought for a second I was seeing something.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: But to what you said, yes, you don't want to
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: have the That's just my guess. You don't want to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: have the team being able to knock it into the
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: player and then just recover. But I think once the
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: returning team has possession of it, even if it's at,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: then it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Shouldn't be a free play.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: But now you're getting to your thing again. So, like,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: what does the referee, like, what's possession?
• 49:57
  Speaker 11: Well.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Now, this play, he clearly had the ball. He clearly
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: had the ball and was starting to run, and then
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: he got fumbled.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: That's possession.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: But what if he just picks the ball up? That's possession, too.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: And then gets the ball knocked out.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: Well, it depends.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Then it becomes a judgment. Did he have full possession?
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Did he have the ball and make a football move?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Just like a wide receiver who just caught the ball,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: gets hit.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: They say, no, that wasn't possession.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I was so used to the Patriots over the first
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: three weeks making stupid plays that I just went right
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: to that place.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I can guarantee if Bill Polian was on the sidelines
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: still for the Bills, that rule change would be coming.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: So I will guarantee the opposite. that if that play
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: had happened the other way and the Patriots had punted
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: and the Bills hit it and then the Bills guy
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: had come over and fumbled, we'd be screaming for legislation.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: I'm sure we would. Do you think the Bills fans are?
• 50:50
  Speaker 13: No.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I think they're still mad at their team, as you
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: pointed out.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: They are. That's the difference.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, Bill's fans are better than Patriots.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: No, they're pouting. I actually called them losers. You asked
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: me why they're feeling like that. Because they're used to it.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: That's what I said. If you recall, I can have
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: it read back to you.
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: They're a very arrogant fan base for a fan base.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: For a fan base that's never won anything.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: That's the part that I think, like, shocks me so
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: much is, like, you guys could be the lovable losers. Like,
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: losing the Super Bowl four times in a row, we
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: would feel bad about that. So I was in the 1900s.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: I reposted your thing, and I just said, how is
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: this not... Got to be careful about that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Grounding.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't say this isn't grounding. I said, how
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: is this not grounding? And Bill's fans were like right
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: on it. They're like bots.
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: Bill bots.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: They probably are bots.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Everything else on the site is bots on that.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: They search things.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 10: They search Bill's related content.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: So what were they all saying? There's no charge to
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: charge a box? That's what the rule says.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: But then there was this whole debate.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I started a firestorm because.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: You know, like, viral.
• 51:53
  Speaker 10: Well, that's usually what you do.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: No, I usually don't.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys real quick just about what
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: your perspective was.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: On the last interception that he threw?
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: How egregious was that in stadium?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't have to do that.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: It was a terrible play.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Terrible play.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: He had the guy open. Then he gets flushed by
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: Draymond Jones. And he ridiculously just assumes, after I spin
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: and reset, I'm not going to look. He's still going
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: to be open. That's a dumb play.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Highlights middle.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Look at how.
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: Covered he is. It's man, and Marcus Jones has... palmer
• 52:29
  Speaker 10: and man coverage and you can see woodson's in the
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: middle of.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: The field open right there but but now.
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: We ain't open anymore because woodson was reading the quarterback
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: and by the time he got back to it woodson's
• 52:39
  Speaker 10: over there to make the play so.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Plus there's like a i just i think there was
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: over a minute still left.
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: And they had all and they had all three timeouts
• 52:46
  Speaker 10: and only needed the.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Field goal right what they were trying to do was
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: get the field goal locked up, and now let's work
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: on the clock as we try to score a touchdown. Which,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: to me, is not sound strategy. That's not good game management.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: I agree. I like Josh Allen. I don't think he's overrated,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: but that's the knock on him. He does things like
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: that inexplicably at times, and that costs them a chance
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: to at least tie the game. Did you have any
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: doubt that they were going to get in field goal
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: range at the end of the game?
• 53:17
  Speaker 19: No.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: I was hoping they wouldn't.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't say what you were hoping for.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I did not have a defeatist attitude.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: No, I did not.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: But that's not a defeatist attitude. I would have called
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: that a win for the Patriots defense.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: I know they're going to get it. To me, that's
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: a defeatist attitude.
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: That's a lot of fans.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: But I don't really think that's defeatism. I think that's
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: reality in the NFL. As teams in that situation, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: would say nine times out of ten, The guy might
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: miss the field goal, but nine times out of ten,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: they're going to get a field goal opportunity. And that
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: was only because of Josh Allen's impatience that they didn't.
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: It's the word I was about to use. We picked
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: on Drake May for three weeks for being impatient and
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: not taking profits.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: And the way the Patriots played the.
• 53:58
  Speaker 10: Game defensively, they outlasted him. He was looking for the
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: big play.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I think that's a really good comp.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Alex in Philadelphia.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: What's up, Alex?
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys.
• 54:10
  Speaker 14: Great win all around. I'm just so happy this team
• 54:13
  Speaker 14: just showed heart. Big props to the defense. I mean,
• 54:16
  Speaker 14: we just were talking about Josh Allen right now. But
• 54:19
  Speaker 14: this defense came up with big play after big play
• 54:21
  Speaker 14: when they needed it, even with all the injuries. And
• 54:23
  Speaker 14: I think that's something that just all of us are
• 54:25
  Speaker 14: super happy about.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought they played well, too.
• 54:29
  Speaker 14: Yeah. One negative thing I will say, though, I do
• 54:33
  Speaker 14: think Josh called a good game.
• 54:34
  Speaker 20: I really do.
• 54:35
  Speaker 14: But I feel like we must have hit second and
• 54:37
  Speaker 14: two like maybe five.
• 54:38
  Speaker 18: Or six times on Sunday.
• 54:40
  Speaker 14: And I think every single time it was some screen
• 54:42
  Speaker 14: or some draw.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And I felt like– It's better than a quarterback sneak.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: It wasn't any of either one of those. They just
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: kept running it on second and two. But they weren't
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: draws and they weren't screens.
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: I think there was three of them in the second
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: half that they had an eight-yard run, at least two.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: An eight-yard run for Stevenson, followed by nothing for Stevenson,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: nothing for Stevenson. And I was just kind of frustrated
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: with that. But overall, I thought Josh called a great game.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I thought all the stuff that Evan said about the
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: different looks that they had in the run game and
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: some of the formations, I think having Raritan back helped.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I think that gave them some options with the tight
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: ends that they didn't have the week before. I I
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: thought they had a really good plan. Now, it might
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: just be because of Buffalo. I don't know.
• 55:27
  Speaker 10: That one-run sequence, second-down stuff, third-down stuff, where they went
• 55:31
  Speaker 10: back to stagnant, we're just going to run the ball
• 55:33
  Speaker 10: right at the defense, that was the one time where
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: you could nitpick him. Other than that, I just thought
• 55:39
  Speaker 10: it was remarkably better. And I never said the defense
• 55:41
  Speaker 10: played bad. I just specifically harped on the coverage not
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: being what I was really impressed about with the defense.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: That's it. Well, let me tell you. It's nice that
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Evan plays the role of Paul every once in a while.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: To explain our point of view, watching the.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: TV copy, what we're seeing is Josh Allen go, Huh?
• 56:00
  Speaker 17: Huh?
• 56:01
  Speaker 14: Huh?
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: And so not being able to see the whole field.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, you guys have a little bit better vantage
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: point of kind of getting to see the whole picture
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: where we're only really seeing how Josh Allen reacts.
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  Speaker 5: Plus he watches the game four times afterwards.
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  Speaker 4: See, I would just look at it as saying I
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: didn't necessarily think the coverage was great because for the
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: most part he was completing all the passes. But what
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  Speaker 4: I would agree with Mike about is I think they
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: were making him do it the hard way.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: They weren't making it easy for him. They had a
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: couple of breakdowns, like the Shakir play was inexcusable.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that one. I didn't even put that
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: on my list.
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  Speaker 4: But that should have been a sack. But you got
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen on that play. That happens. Like, he's great.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, the Keon Coleman touchdown, that's way
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: too easy.
• 56:44
  Speaker 10: I think there were certain things that, you know, with
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: Alan that I've, I find interesting about how he reads
• 56:51
  Speaker 10: the field. So he reads like body position and leverage
• 56:54
  Speaker 10: a lot. So like he can't, he comes off reads
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: really quickly. So like if they're, if they're running like
• 57:00
  Speaker 10: an out into an outside leverage player where the route
• 57:04
  Speaker 10: is breaking into the corner, uh, he won't, he'll just
• 57:07
  Speaker 10: go right past it. Whereas sometimes like your receiver just
• 57:10
  Speaker 10: wins on the route. Like, even though the corner has
• 57:14
  Speaker 10: favorable leverage, like the receiver might just win on the
• 57:16
  Speaker 10: route anyways, and he's already on to the next read.
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: So I thought he was a little bit like sped
• 57:22
  Speaker 10: up in this game in that sense where like, he
• 57:24
  Speaker 10: didn't hang on the reads as long as he sometimes does.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Kincaid kind of broke free a couple of times late too.
• 57:31
  Speaker 10: Well, on the two point conversion, he's wide open.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: There's no one covering him.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: A little like, you know, delay release and got lost
• 57:38
  Speaker 10: in the trash. But yeah, I thought that part of it,
• 57:42
  Speaker 10: they did a nice job coverage wise was like they
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: stayed home on their leverage and he's just like off it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: Like as soon as he sees that that corner is
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: sitting outside an outbreaking route, he's on to the next thing.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: And that won the game. Mike, the two-point conversion stop
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: won the game. It's a big one. It's tied, 28-28,
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  Speaker 20: How are you well how about you good thank you
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  Speaker 20: um given efton's exploits in the game um might that
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  Speaker 20: earn him some more game reps.
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  Speaker 22: Of course you know i mean that's what happens i
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  Speaker 22: mean guys continue to uh take advantage of their opportunities
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  Speaker 22: they get more opportunities i mean we've been you know
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  Speaker 22: finding ways to work ches in there previously you know
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  Speaker 22: again and it's a it's a balance but uh certainly
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  Speaker 22: did a lot of things well, and I know that
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  Speaker 22: he'll continue to do things well for us and continue
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  Speaker 6: Mike, you have one of the better records in the
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  Speaker 6: league as a head coach right now when Vegas tabs
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  Speaker 6: you guys as underdogs going into a game. Is there
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  Speaker 6: anything about that underdog label that you relish in when
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  Speaker 6: you're going into a game?
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  Speaker 22: I mean, again, I Just try to get the team
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  Speaker 22: prepared each and every week the best that I can.
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  Speaker 22: Get them to understand what it is that they need
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  Speaker 22: to do to win the game, what we all need
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  Speaker 22: to do, and the role that we all play in
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  Speaker 22: the game.
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  Speaker 7: So that's all we try to do each and every week.
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  Speaker 23: Mike, with Drake, obviously he got one of the game
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 23: balls after the win.
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  Speaker 14: What was.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 23: And your message in the locker room was kind of
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 23: like never lost faith. Just what was it like to
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 23: see him kind of go out in that game?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: The thing to me is we fumbled the snap. It's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: a mistake. We picked the ball up and we stay
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: alive and we hit an X play.
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  Speaker 22: So I think that really has to exemplify what we
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 22: want to be and who we want to be as
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 22: a team and who we want to be as an organization.
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  Speaker 22: There's going to be things that happen, things that we
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 22: don't plan for. But certainly the play isn't over. The
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 22: game isn't over. And I think that really sums up
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  Speaker 22: everything that we want to do. So I think that
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  Speaker 22: was a huge moment for us. I just said, hey,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 22: pick the ball up and go try to find a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 22: way to make a play, a positive play, but also,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 22: you know, figure out why the quarterback center exchange is,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 22: you know, we had the ball on the ground twice.
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  Speaker 10: Did you come to a conclusion on the two center
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 10: exchanges on the ground?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 22: Well, I mean, we have to practice it and continue
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 22: to practice it. And, you know, whether, you know, the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 22: center's moving– laterally he has a block that he has
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 22: a guy off his body and he's moving one way
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 22: so the quarterback excited on the goal line to try
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 22: to get off the goal line. I think you see
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 22: those plays down there and I know what he's thinking
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 22: is that he has to get off the line. I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 22: mean you saw what happened with Jaden Daniels and those
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 22: things when the defensive lineman has taken all the ball
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 22: on the goal line and they're attacking and sometimes things
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 22: happen so I know he's trying to get off the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 22: line of scrimmage in our haste to get off the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 22: line of scrimmage, and we have to stay in there
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 22: and secure the snap.
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  Speaker 4: We will.
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  Speaker 7: We'll continue to focus on those things.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 22: We have to be good in critical situations, short yardage,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 22: low red zone, things when it gets tough, we have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 22: to be really good.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 18: Mike, we saw Eric Hunter at Gunner this week.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: How did that come to be, and how did you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: feel like you performed in that role?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: I thought he did fantastic.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 22: I thought Eric's really progressed every day since he's been here.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 22: I think Jeremy and Tom have done a fantastic job
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 22: of of working with him and our special teams, and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 22: he's trying to work with our defensive coaches and just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 22: continue to a lot of new things for Eric.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: And, you know, he's willing. He's got a really good length,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: and he can run.
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  Speaker 22: And, you know, we just figured, you know, as we
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 22: get guys that are down or we need bodies or
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 22: DBs have to play or go down that, you know,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 22: why don't we give Eric a try? And he didn't disappoint.
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  Speaker 24: Like you mentioned last night that when you're playing Josh Allen,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 24: you have to be aggressive when you're asked about going
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 24: forward and forward down. Given the way you guys performed offensively,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 24: is that aggressive mindset one you want to take into
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 24: every game?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 22: I mean, we always do. I mean, again, it's just
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 22: the way that the game's going. I feel like how
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 22: things are unfolding and what's going to give us the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 22: best opportunity to to score and how many points we
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 22: may or may not need, but certainly always want to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 22: be aggressive and not reckless. And if we believe in
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 22: the play and we believe in, you know, our ability
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 22: to convert those chances into touchdowns.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 24: Was your approach at the end of the half there,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 24: was that also related to going against Josh Allen where
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 24: you guys are throwing, I think there were 16 seconds
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 24: left in the second?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: A lot of timeouts.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 22: I mean, we had a couple of timeouts and we
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 22: thought we could try to you know, hit a play
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 22: and then maybe, you know, hit two plays and be
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 22: able to call a timeout and try a long field goal.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: And it didn't work out.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 22: I mean, you could see what some teams have done
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 22: with just seven or eight or ten seconds. You know,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 22: they hit a play down the field, call a timeout,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 22: and hit a long field goal. So, you know, we
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 22: want to be able to, you know, take advantage of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 22: every scoring opportunity.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: That we get, but also be mindful.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 22: Of, you know, being really smart with the ball and,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 22: you know, Rome knows that he's got to secure that catch,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 22: and we'll call a timeout and then figure out what
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 22: the next play is.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 23: Speaking of Romeo, just obviously to be able to bounce
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 23: back and not have the two fourth-down conversion catches and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 23: then two touchdowns, what was it like to see him
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 23: come out there and perform?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: It was great, and I think that.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 22: Rome puts a lot of pressure on himself to perform,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 22: like most players and most people that try to excel
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 22: at a high level, and so I think that for
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 22: him to not have a great play and to be
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 22: able to come back is everything that we want to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 22: be able to do.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: We have the power to choose our response.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 22: When things happen, there's a moment in there where we
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 22: get to choose. And so I think his response to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 22: some of those plays have been really good.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Mike, Mac Hollins didn't finish the game.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Understanding these things can shift, you know, Just being this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: close to the game, what is the sense of the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: severity of what he's doing?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: I think we'll probably know more here in a little bit.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 22: I don't know if he'll be able to practice here
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 22: for a couple days, but again, I don't have every detail.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 22: I'll get in there with Jim here afterwards and kind
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 22: of see where we are and then make sure we
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 22: have guys that are ready to go and everybody's preparing
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 22: as a starter. We know the energy that Mack brings,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 22: and the next guy has to be ready to go.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: And then one defensive question, Kincaid had been very productive.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Leading into this game.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 14: And obviously you guys limited his production of game.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: I know it's never one thing, but what are some
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: of the factors.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 22: That you think awareness, you know, I think that, uh,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 22: you know, Spillane did a nice job. Uh, one play,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 22: they tried to hide them over there on the line
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 22: of scrimmage. It's not where it usually hangs out. Um,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 22: and so he ran the over and Spillane was able
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 22: to carry him. I think just long enough for, for
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 22: Josh to go in a different direction. Um, You know,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 22: felt like coverage all day, being able to mix zone
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 22: and mix man, but having an awareness of where he
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 22: is and not letting him just run free.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: Going back to the postgame video, the message you had
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: for Drake May, obviously you have his back, but to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: paraphrase what you said, we're not taking any more stuff.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: How important was it to you for him to know
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: not only did you have his back this week, but
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: the rest of the team also still had his back
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: as well?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think that all goes without saying. It just...
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: We spent a lot of time together. Everybody understands.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 22: How the quarterback has to perform in this league for
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 22: teams to have success. Everybody does have his back, starting
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 22: with me and everybody all the way down. Again, Drake
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 22: wants to be as perfect as possible. We know that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 22: that's not possible.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: We have to be precise. We have to lead the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: offense and be able to distribute the football.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 22: Again, not just focusing on one single receiver, being able
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 22: to spread the football around. If it's not there and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 22: he doesn't feel like it's there down the field or
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 22: whatever it may be, finding the check down.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: We get a lot of positive things. We still got
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: to take care of the football.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 22: We got to do a better job with the pocket.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 22: There were some good pockets. Every week is going to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 22: be a good front. That's what happens in the National
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  Speaker 2: Henderson's footwork was better. I think he should watch all
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  Speaker 2: of B. John Robinson's film. Whatever drills he does, Henderson
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  Speaker 10: He had one inside the 10 that was, he avoided
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  Speaker 10: And a couple of missed tackles in this game. He
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 10: had two, he had one off the first two games
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 10: that he played. So, um, Maybe steps. Maybe a little
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: bit better, but I think we still all agree that
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 10: he is what he is.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought he's saying that because we were
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: talking about individuals.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I thought he showed footwork in small spaces better than
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I've seen so far.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, not specific ground, and there might have been one
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 10: other one. Uh, but normally when there's somebody in the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 10: backfield like that, he's, he's going down and he was
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 10: able to stay on track and we'll actually, you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 10: get off track and then get back on track. But, uh, yeah, no,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 10: it was, uh, little baby steps to it with his usage,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 10: I would say as well, like the end around the toss,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: getting them out into some space, getting them out on
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: the edge a little bit more. So good.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: What about wide receiver help? I mean, Hollins is hurt.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's on the table.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: They're listing him with a calf.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Any reports on that?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Usually something will come out maybe yesterday when he gets
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: checked out. Usually no report's a good sign.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, and I'm kind of feeling like that.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: But Vrabel did say yesterday it was weird because he
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: was asked about Hollins specifically, and I felt kind of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: downplayed it. We'll see. I don't think he's going to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: be able to practice. for a couple of days, like
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: kind of seemed like a short term thing. And then,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: you know, later on, several questions later, he was asked
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: about the possibility of where I think you're going with
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: this email, Fred, of going out to look for some help,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: you know, on the free agent market or whatever on
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: the street. And he said, yeah, yeah, we're going to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: explore that. You know, we're going to go back in
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: and explore that, I think is how he said it.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't just like, yeah, we're always looking to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: upgrade our team, which is generally the way coaches answer
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: those questions. This was, oh, no, we're going to explore that.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 10: Well, maybe we just need bodies to practice.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Well, did you guys see anything?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: I know it looked like Kyle Williams limped off on TV,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: and it looked like Ramondre limped a little bit. We
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: saw Ramondre talk afterwards, but he seems okay.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he seems fine. Matt Collins is really the only
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 10: one out of the game that I would say, you know,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 10: you're concerned injury-wise about. But I think that a lot
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 10: of the times, like, don't get inflate. Like we don't
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 10: have enough healthy receivers to practice with. Like they're about
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: to sign Tyree kill. Like maybe they are. I don't,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 10: I don't have any inside information, but I think that that's,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 10: you know, sometimes when Brable says things like, yeah, we're,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: we're going to have to look into that. It's really
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 10: just thinking.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: About, I mean, Marvin Harrison's going to be here tomorrow.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 10: It's really just thinking about bodies. You know, if AJ
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 10: Brown is on out there, Matt Collins isn't out there,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 10: you know, they're starting to get a little bit thin.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: They got Cameron Brayboy on the practice.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: So they have Kyle Dixon.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: Anthony writes in, happy we got a big win.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: Listener of seven years.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Kind of greedy email, but my fiance and I are
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: getting married on the 17th of this month.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: Congratulations.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: Congrats.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if we could get a couple t-shirts. Yeah,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: we can do that. But you have to wear them
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: when you go down the aisle. That's the caveat, is
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: that you have to wear the T-shirts going down the aisle.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: She has to come walk the aisle to the Mike
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Dussault song.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: Anthony Leon, email Matt.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: If we can get their sizes, we'll get you a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: couple T-shirts.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Brandon from L.A.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Is wondering that seeing Josh Allen's boneheaded interception has me
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: pondering That was exactly the type of.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: Throw that Drake was throwing the first three weeks.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: My question is, like Josh Allen, do we have concern
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: that the boneheaded interceptions at times will always be a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: part of Drake May's game just like it is with
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Josh's game?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 10: I have more concerns about the fumbles.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 25: Sure.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 10: And I don't want to go all Felger and go
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 10: small hands on you, but... Like, I think managing fumbles
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 10: and managing ball security in the pocket is probably always
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 10: going to be a fine line that he is going
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 10: to have to walk. Like, I don't expect the turnovers,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 10: the interceptions to follow him because they didn't last year.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 10: He's not a.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Big stupid throw guy.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Like, early this season he's been stupid throw, but I
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: think he's more high throw guy.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Then stupid throw, if that makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: I mean, like last year, I didn't feel like he
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: was reckless with the football.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Just like he was like when he's holding it and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: he's fumbling. Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 10: Fumbles are something that are going to be a problem.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: So we're in, you know, our two now.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: So we, I think we sufficiently.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: I had to go right out of the gate with it.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: No, but like, you know, so the fumble thing, you know,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: and we kept saying it wasn't perfect. Like we kept
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: talking about all the good things that they did. And we,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: you know, we, we always use the calorie. It wasn't perfect.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: There was some hiccups. So the fumble thing, and it's
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: not just... So he lost the ball on a strip
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: sack in the pocket. That's the thing I would be
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: most concerned about because that's the thing that happens sort of,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: you know, every game generally you're going to have to
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: take a hit and make sure you hold on to
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: the football. And that's been a little bit of a trend.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 12: But.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: There were no fewer than four mishandled snaps in this game.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: Two of them ended up on the ground. I think
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: they had three fumbles, officially. There were two others that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: he double-clutched. I don't know if this is a Jared
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: Wilson thing, and he's not comfortable under center with Jared Wilson.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: It looks to me, when you watch the replay, the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: ball is getting up there. The one on the goal
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: line that he dropped, I think Vrabel basically all but
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: told you yesterday was on May. Like, he's trying to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: get out of there real quick on the goal line.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: He knows they're coming. And, you know, I... That's something
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: that needs to be addressed because that's, I don't know,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: like the whole build thing, like, you know, we're just
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: trying to get the quarterback center exchange down. They haven't
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: gotten that down yet because it doesn't look right every time.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Brad in California writes in on this subject, said Drake
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: was so much better this week but still managed to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: log a few fumbles. I saw that Tom Brady had
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: double-digit fumble seasons in four of his first six full seasons,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: starting and then never again. I was too young to
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: remember those seasons, so I was just wondering, do you
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: guys remember Brady having a fumbling issue early on?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: And what do you remember him doing.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: To fix it? I'm not going to tell you what
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: I remember them doing to fix it, but I do
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: absolutely remember that he had a fumble issue.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 10: Is this maybe related to a scandal that happened?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe the ball?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 10: I would say that the time management in the pocket.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: Knowing.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 10: when it's time to eat it, when it's time to abort,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 10: when it's time to throw the ball on time, like
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: on the play that he fumbled on the conventional play
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 10: that I have a few takes on the snaps. he
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 10: he's got Chisholm opening over the middle of the field.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: And so in his eyes are down in the field
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: and he's thinking, you know, I'm going to throw the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: ball to Chisholm. And like, he just didn't sense that
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: the pocket was collapsing as quickly as it did. Now,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: normally you would hope that the offensive line holds up.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: They gave up pressure in three different places on that play. Now,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: Ben Brown got, you know, hit in the face. I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 10: know everybody's going to yell about that, but they, they overall,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: I think that, you know, just time management and, And
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 10: understanding like when the play is breaking down in the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: pocket is like something that is sort of a back
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 10: and forth with him a little bit when it comes
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 10: to that. Those types of fumbles like you got to
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 10: eat it or you got to throw it early to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 10: Chisholm and just hope that Chisholm makes a play on
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 10: the ball coming across the middle of the field on
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 10: the on the snaps. So Jared Wilson has a cut
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 10: on his hand. He cut his hand last week against
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 10: the Jaguars. That was the blood fumble, as I'm calling it.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: Blood ball.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: He lost a pint on that ball.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 10: He has a wrap around his snapping hand right now.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 10: And so I wonder if maybe... That made something a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: little bit off this week with the fumbles. Normally when
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 10: you talk about aborted snaps and things like that, it's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 10: like the center's moving in one direction and the quarterback's moving.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: In the other. And Vrabel talked about that as well yesterday.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: That's usually the biggest problem. So those can be really,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 10: really hard. Like, the center, if he's right-handed and he's
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: snapping with his right hand, but he's going left, and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 10: so then he's pulling the ball with him as he's moving,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 10: as he's snapping the football, and so then the ball
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 10: kind of isn't really centered on the quarterback's hands. That
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 10: can happen. But I wonder, you know, this whole cut
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 10: thing that he's got on his hand, it may be... know,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: some of that is revenue.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: I just feel like it's been an issue going back
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: to training camp. Under center snaps have been periodically, like
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: you see them like every once in a while, it's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: like a double clutch. And I thought there were a
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: couple of those. The cut might be a part of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: the problem now, but There's some... Oh, we're going to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: get a little.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: We just happen to have a ball here.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: We're going to get a little football lesson.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to snap at you for it.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: So when the most centers snap, the nose of the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: ball is going to the quarterback, right?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: Because I was thinking it should be like this.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: That is how it is.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: So the center snaps the ball and turns it.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: Right, and turns it.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: You never would.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: You'd break a guy's hand.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: I just want to make sure that that's happening.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: What are we doing here?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: Because you want the ball.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: You know, hopefully laces up. But sometimes you have to
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: move it.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: No, it'd be laces up every time.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Like dating back to, like, Pop Warner.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it should be.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it is. That's... As someone who spent some
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: time with his hand under a friend's face.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: But I'm just wondering if that ball isn't coming out.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: The way it should. I mean, the.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: The goal of every snap is to have it come
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: up like that. Now, if it's a problem with the center,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: it's some of the things that Evan talked about where
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: he's pulling to make a block, holding onto the ball,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: and he's sort of pulling it away from the center.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Or there are rare occasions the ball just doesn't come
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: up at all. And sometimes that happens. Sometimes the ball
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: gets stuck in the, in the ground. Yeah. You know, or,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: you know, like Brady used to, you know, famously complain
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: about the moisture down there.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: So, but like, yes, the center takes the ball, rotates it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: So the laces are up. And when the ball hits
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: the quarterback's top hand, it should hit him on the laces.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: Like literally every snap I ever took, And even though
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: I couldn't play, I still took the snap from the center.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: And that's the way the ball gets snapped. If you
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: ever snap it, like, straight up like that, you'd kill
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: the guy's hands.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know if, like, how many people out
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: there actually have held an official NFL football pumped up.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: It's hard as a rock.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: I wonder if Brady ever has.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: And the nose of.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: The ball is really, really hard.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 11: I would.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 10: I would venture to say, and look, it's three years
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 10: into his NFL career, so at this point he's done
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 10: it enough, but you could probably count on two hands
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 10: the amount of times Drake May was under center at
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 10: North Carolina. I don't know how often he was under
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 10: center in high school. Some of these high schools still
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: run like old school wing tee offenses and stuff like that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 10: Georgia tended to be under center maybe a little bit
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 10: more than like your traditional college offense, but still. So
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 10: like these younger players, they just they don't grow up
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 10: playing under center as much as they used to, you know,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 10: going all the way back to like middle school football.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 10: So I think sometimes you see that early on in
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 10: guys careers, you know, second year center, third year quarterback.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 10: and the exchange is just not as clean as you
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 10: would want it to be.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Alec in Berlin, great game. Nice to see Drake off
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: the schneid. The entire game I was expecting something bad
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: to happen, only to see them lose the game despite
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: being very competitive. Fred must have been very pleased with
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: himself after seeing Chisholm make not one, but two spectacular plays.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: I was very happy.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: For him, not me. We all learned last week that
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Mike loves himself some books. He should start his own
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: book club podcast and call it Textual Do So. A
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: note for Evan and Alex Barth. Put your phones down
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: when you're on camera. Fiddling with them on camera is
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: not a good look. Also, be sure to get out
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: of your basement more often and get some daylight and exercise.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: Troy Brown on the postgame is gold, Jerry.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: It's gold. You know what I was going to say
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: about Troy, too?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: An interesting comment he had during the, I don't know
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: if we were, while we were watching, but he said,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: Paul made a comment on Ellis' physicality, and Troy was like,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: he wasn't always like that.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: He wasn't like that when he got here.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: That was an interesting observation.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: My rundown is on my phone when I do Catch-22.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Your rundown?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 10: Yes. So I'm reading my notes. He plans out. I
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: actually plan out the show. Freeform Jazz Odyssey? My notes
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 10: are on my phone. Alex is usually looking at the chat.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 10: Because sometimes we like to interact with the chat.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 10: We're not just on our phones. We're not texting our
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 10: girlfriends and stuff.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Just checking Facebook.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Updating your status.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Mike and Charlotte, on the subject of May's fumbling, am
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: I the only one that thinks he doesn't sense the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: pressure around him very well? I thought that since he
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: became a starter, he doesn't seem to feel the pressure
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: coming and exposes the ball to being stripped.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I would agree.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 25: Periodic.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Uh, issues with the timing and the pocket, like, you know.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 10: It's a, that to me is a young quarterback thing.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 10: And I know Paul was being snarky about Brady. No,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 10: but I think that Brady probably started to get that
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 10: internal clock more and more confident with his time management
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 10: in the pocket. And that's probably why the fumble started
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 10: to go down. So you just hope that, you know,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 10: he's going to, he has to kind of learn that like,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 10: He doesn't have the biggest hands. So, like, he's not
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 10: going to be, like, this guy that can just palm
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 10: the ball and be super secure with it so he
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 10: can't hold the ball.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: But you know what else also dramatically decreased in Brady
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: early years to Brady later years were sacks. So, you know,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: that's part of what Evan's talking about is sort of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: a presence in the pocket and understanding the clock a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: little bit better. But Brady also, snark aside, Brady also
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: did a much better job of holding onto the ball
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: when he got sacked. as his career went on. There
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: were times that he would take shots and I'd be like,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: how does he not fumble?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Like that Vaughn Miller one where he just gets decleted.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: But I'm talking blindside shots. How does he... He'd pump
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: and then somehow he does that TB12 thing where he
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: sort of rolls with the hit and somehow holds onto
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: the ball. I just thought it was remarkable how infrequently
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: he fumbled later in his career.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we don't have great Data on pre-2003 combine. 2003
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 10: is when they started to officially keep it publicly in
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: the NFL. But Brady's hands are about the same size
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 10: as Drake Mays.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Is that right?
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: If you believe what's on the internet. Nine and three ace.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: So we know the secret formula then. Get on it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: I've shaken Tom Brady's hands. They look pretty big to me.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I think they're bigger than, like, a non-athlete.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: You know, long fingers.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: You know, like the 6'4 guy is probably going to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: have a longer hand.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: No, but I've shaken other guys. He seems to have
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: pretty long fingers.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 17: I don't know.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: I haven't shaken his hand since probably, like, old two.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: Let me see.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: What do you got here?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: What do you got?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 10: So, Drake May's hands are nine and an eighth. Brady's
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 10: are 9-3 ace. So Drake Mays in the 16th percentile
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 10: for hand size. I don't mean to bring this whole
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 10: thing up.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Let's see. Ryan is in car. That could be Carolina.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: What's up, Ryan? Hey, how you guys doing?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: He's in a car.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: In his car.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's in a car. Where in your car? I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: speak radio. What part of the country are you in?
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 10: Your shows.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 14: I'm on the East Coast.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 9: I'm right outside of D.C.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: Okay. All right. What's up?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to call in.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 26: I wanted to give a huge shout-out to the rookies
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 26: so far this year.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like when they've been on the field making impacts,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: it's been noticeable.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 14: I mean, mainly just Akis and Raritan, but still.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: Good sign for the future.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: I also wanted to bring up the fact that 15-2
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: is still on the table and the Bills have never
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: won jack.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 18: Outside of that, have a good one and enjoy it.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: I like that. 15-2 is still on the table.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 10: Gabe Ackes makes me tingly inside. The excitement level for
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 10: him is just absolutely through the roof. I think this
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 10: guy is the limit for that guy. The bull rush
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 10: on Deion Dawkins.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: just good rep, toss.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 10: Them right into the ground, condensing space in the run game,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 10: slipping blocks instincts. And like, you know, just feel for
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 10: boots now is just, uh, I can understand why Mike
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 10: Rabel's taken such a liking to him. Cause he, he
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 10: plays his butt off on every single snap. And he's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 10: just one of those guys that like the more and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 10: more that he sees and the more that he develops
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 10: in terms of his pass rush, just the better and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 10: better that he's going to get. And I can tell
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 10: that Vrabel sees that.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: Now, Paul, you would disagree, right?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: Why would I disagree?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: I thought you said that every once in a while
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: you see him.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: I think he makes really flashy plays. I'm looking for
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: more consistency, but I say he's exactly what I was
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: anticipating coming into the season. I thought he would be
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: a guy that would contribute right away. Did I not
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: say that? I would like to see more consistency. That's all.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: I think that flashy rep that we saw that Evan
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: talked about with Dawkins would be the one from this week.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: I think, though, the one where he completely got right
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: in Aaron Rodgers' face on one of the first plays
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: of the game. The hard, heavy play-action boot didn't bite
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: on it at all. Immediately got right like that stood
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: out to me. I just... There were a couple of
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: plays where I think he gets a little overaggressive and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: opened up some lanes. I think he was the one
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: that had Josh Allen on the Khalil Shakir play, if
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. But I might be mixing that up
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: with a different play.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: I think his skill, his athleticism and stuff, we see
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: all the skills.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: He's got a presence.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: I don't see that, but I see a lot of skill.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: It's a tough physicality physicality it shows up look what
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: he did to dawkins.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 10: On that and i think his power i think his
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 10: instincts improve with every single game that he plays and
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 10: his block recognition uh has improved significantly since the summer
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 10: and He had a play in Jacksonville where they pulled
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 10: to his side, and he went right around the puller
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 10: and stuck.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: A running back into the ground. Yeah, I know that play.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: That was a play in that game.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, it's just some of those plays that
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 10: he's making, and I don't really think that... I think
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 10: he's just scratching the surface in terms of pass rush.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 10: He doesn't really have.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what I say.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 10: He doesn't really have, like, a toolbox right now. He
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 10: has his bull rush, and then he's good schematically at, like,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 10: knifing or slipping into gaps against play action.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Fred sees Vaughn Miller, like... bat out of hell off the.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 10: Edge no but uh his bull rush is a foundational
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 10: move like that's so good that that's like something he
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 10: can build off of but now he just needs to
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 10: get like a counter to you know like a swim
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 10: or a spin move or something when guys come out
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 10: to get him and aggressive because they are bracing for
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 10: the power like you need to have a counter to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 10: beat that and combat that swipe his hands swim over him,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 10: something like that. And I think that's what they're probably
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 10: working on with him, and they'll get him there.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: I admit, I don't know. Ed Drush was like, I
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: know wide receivers. But it looks like he's got what
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: it takes.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think he's exactly as advertised. I'd say one
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: more thing on that. It has me wondering. Can Harold
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Landry come back to a level where you.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: Can he ever play again?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: What's his deal?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Can he come back and be at a level where
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: you want to even pull these young guys off the field?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 10: I would not pull Akis off the field. I think
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 10: every single game he gets better and better.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: The ponder too?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 10: I think that he's improving with every snap that he gets.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 10: He sees it faster. He's anticipating things more. I think
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 10: Mike Smith has done an excellent job with him because
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: I think a lot of it's film study and preparing
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 10: him during the week for what the opponent's going to do. Like,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 10: in the preseason, he's running in the wrong direction constantly.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 10: And then we get into the season, and he's, like,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 10: on top of everything.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: Reps. Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Reps.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 10: So let him keep playing.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Let's go to New Jersey. Tom, what's up?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 17: Thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to take
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 17: the chance because I don't normally get to listen live
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 17: and call in, but I wanted to say thanks for
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 17: the huge shout-out and the newsletter.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 14: On the birth of my daughter, Meadow.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: Oh, nice.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, you're welcome.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 17: And I just had two quick kind of points I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 17: wanted to kind of bring up. You guys kind of
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 17: touched on it coming out of the break, but with
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 17: the uptick in production post, like, Brown's injury with Holland
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 17: and the kind of non-emergence of Kyle Williams, do you
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 17: think there needs to be a real emphasis on adding
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 17: a taller skill receiver? And, two, if you guys can
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 17: kind of– I know we've got to wait until tomorrow
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 17: probably to get a more update on, like, injuries with practice–
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 17: But could you kind of give a State of the Union, like,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 17: injury report with the guys on IR? I hear Brown
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 17: might be looking better and not going to be eight weeks.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 17: And is Van Roten's injury on IR more of a
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 17: short-term thing? And do you have a chance to come back?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 17: And I appreciate it, guys.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah, so what do we have?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: What do we know about the injured?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait on Hollins. I mean, I think that's right there.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think practice tomorrow, like, does Gonzalez practice? Does
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 10: Christian Barmore practice? Does Matt Collins practice? Those, I'd say,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: are the big three. A.J. Brown can't come back until
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 10: week six, but I think it was NFL Network or
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 10: Garifullo or one of those guys said that it's trending
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 10: in a good direction. But I think that with Brown,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 10: you play Thursday night the following week. So are you
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: going to bring him back in the Jets game and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 10: then play him on Thursday night against the Bears, that's
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 10: a pretty quick turnaround coming off a high ankle sprain.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 10: So I think that that might be a factor.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: Do you bring him just in for the Bears game?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 10: Or, yeah, or see where you're at. I mean, if
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 10: you win the next two games, then you're not in
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 10: a real rush, I don't think, to bring him back
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 10: at that point. But the— Van Roten? Van Roten, we'll see.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 10: I think Ben Brown did pretty well. Like, I thought
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 10: that he, you know— at least treaded water in the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 10: performance and was solid, was fine. So I would just
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 10: ride that out until the wheels come off with Ben
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 10: Brown for now.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: And we did mention, you know, Ramondre looked a little
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: limpy at some point toward the end of the game.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he seemed fine post-game.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: Just keep an eye on that.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 10: We spoke to him. I think some of that could be.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about Will Campbell's performance in this game?
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: He says very meekly.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: We are in the second hour of the show, Mike.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're allowed. I mean, you weren't feeling
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: it during the game, Paul. We obviously saw the stats.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, it seems kind of, to my impression, they did.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: What you wanted.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: They wanted to put them a little bit more one-on-one,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: and it didn't go so hot. It didn't.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 10: It didn't. And I think the biggest concern that I
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 10: had with it was... A lot of it was bull rushes,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 10: which is what was giving him problems in the playoffs
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 10: last year. So that was a small C concern was that,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 10: you know, you get beat by a guy with great
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 10: speed off the edge or something like that once or twice.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 10: You say, OK, but guys were going through him in
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 10: this game a little bit more than what you would
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 10: like to see. So that was concerning. Now, the couple
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 10: of reps that he lost to Russo, Russo's on an
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 10: absolute heater. He's one of the best editors in football
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 10: right now. So, okay. But TJ Parker, Bradley Chubb at
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 10: this stage of his career, like Campbell should be able
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: to handle those guys. So that was a little bit disappointing. Now,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 10: the flip side of that is that they got more
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 10: guys into the routes. They didn't ship as much. They
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 10: didn't help as much. And all of a sudden, Drake
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 10: May had his best game of the season. So are
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 10: those two things... And do you just kind of have
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 10: to live with the fact that Campbell's going to give
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 10: up some pressure here or there? You know, so I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 10: think that that's that's the question. And, you know, you
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 10: got what did you cross be like, you know, this week?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: So what did you feel like he needs to do, though,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: to deal with, like, get into guys quicker and not
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: let them get the.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 10: So I thought he got better about it as it
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 10: wore on. And I think some of that is depends,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 10: you know, is he vertical setting? That depends on the call.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 10: Like he doesn't have total freedom within his team. Set
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 10: to decide how he's going to set on every play
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 10: because some plays you have to vertical set or whatever.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 10: But I think he's so much better when he's more
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: aggressive and pass protection and he's cutting the space down.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 10: when he has to catch guys and guys are coming
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 10: downhill at him, that's when he has trouble because of
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 10: the reach to like really get his hands into people
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 10: and drop his anchor when he's more aggressive. I think
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 10: that he's, he's been much better against power, but that
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 10: was the one can like, I'm not super concerned, uh,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 10: you know, that he got beat once or twice by Rousseau,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 10: but when like TJ Parker is bull rushing him and
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 10: Bradley Chubb is bull rushing him, like those are the
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 10: ones that you don't want to necessarily see.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: Let's go back to the phones.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: 855-PASS-500.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: Claire's in the UK.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: What's up, Claire?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Hi, Claire.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Calling in.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: Claire.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: Are you there?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: Claire.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 14: Uh-oh.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: Is that her?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 10: I think so.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: What's happening?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: Hey, girl. Claire.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 14: Hello, Claire.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: Is that you doing that?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 13: Sorry.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: No, I think she's muted. She just has a bad connection.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: She keeps saying, can you hear me? And all we
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: can say is hear me. Yeah, hear me.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Hear me.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: We'll go to Sabah, North Carolina.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: What's up, Sabah?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: Hey, guys.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 19: Can y'all hear me loud and clear?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes, we can.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: Oh, boy.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 19: This is so great. I tell you, Drake needed that
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 19: big time. You know what I like best about it?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 19: That he wasn't perfect.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 17: That's what I like.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 19: You make a mistake, and it's how you react to it.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 19: Because if everything was perfect, then I still wouldn't be
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 19: certain about his mental makeup right now. Because I'm still
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 19: not all the way there. But now, after this game,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 19: I feel like he can handle some adversity. And Vrabel
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 19: at least talked about when he fumbled the ball, he
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 19: picked it up and threw it. I think it was Henry.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 19: Just make a play. People say don't let a loss
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 19: beat you twice. Don't let a mistake beat you the.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Rest of the game.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 19: Just keep going, and that's all I love about it.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 19: And Chisholm, I'm telling you, I think he can be
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 19: the Diggs replacement. Kind of middle of the field, third down,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 19: knows how to do choice routes, unlike your Williams guy.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 19: And for the deep, I don't know who you're going
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 19: to use for the deep guy. I guess that Williams
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 19: guy because, again, I don't like him making any choices
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 19: on his little choice routes. You know, he makes them
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 19: wrong all the time. So I don't know if you
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 19: can get back Booty. I don't know what's going to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 19: happen with– Collins, to me, it looked like an Achilles.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 17: It looked really bad.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 19: But maybe it's not that bad. But I'm just excited,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 19: and I hope to God that you guys in the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 19: media and national will talk about what Josh Allen did.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 19: He basically pulled a Drake May against Seattle. Down three.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 19: All you needed was a field goal, and he basically
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 19: threw into double coverage.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I don't know why. I haven't heard
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: anybody mention that.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 19: But they're not making out like, oh, what's wrong with him?
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Paul's being sarcastic.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: He's not the guy and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was the play of the game for Buffalo.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's getting killed.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And he should.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: He lost the game.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 19: Behind the back thing that should have been a grounding.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: We've talked about that.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: We've talked about that, too.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: We've talked about that.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: He played a terrible game. It's been talked about.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 10: Well, you can't expect.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: The national media to talk about that. I see a
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: lot of criticism of him on national media.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 11: One more thing.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 19: I was supposed to get a t-shirt like a month ago.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 16: I still haven't got it.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: You still haven't got it? Wow.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 10: I haven't gotten her address.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 19: Change your address.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 14: Stay on the line.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: You've got to give Matt your address. Stay on the line.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know how we do that.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: Addie, please.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Stay on the line and give Matt your address.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: Just hit the hold.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Hold.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: Hold, please.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: I can't see. Okay, I'm going to hit hold.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 10: It's interesting that they... Obviously, this was because of injury,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 10: but even in the past, it seems like Chisholm has
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 10: played more in the Matt Collins role than a pure
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 10: slot role when he is on the field. I love
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 10: Pop Douglas. I love the skill set. I think they
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 10: need it on this team, but... Would Chisholm make better
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 10: decisions in the slot? I think so.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Listen, I was a big Pop Douglas fan that first year.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about Pop now.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: Remember that? Yeah, I know. But he's got some things
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: that he's lacking.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: I'm just a little baffled by why he doesn't get
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: more volume.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 10: I want to... be careful about this because it's, it's,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 10: I feel like you say, I'm.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: Not saying that they're doing the wrong thing.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm just, there's a reason why he doesn't get the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: opportunities that I was hoping he would get.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 10: So on the very first drop back of the game
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 10: on Drake Mays, 15 yard scramble, he's looking at pop
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 10: and he's running a route out of the slot and
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 10: the linebackers sitting inside of pop Douglas. And it's an
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 10: option route, right? And so he, It should be instinctively
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 10: he should break out away from the leverage of the linebacker.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 10: He breaks right into the linebacker and he runs across
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 10: the field. And so then Drake may have to scramble. Now,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 10: it kind of worked out because he cleared out that
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 10: side of the field and it ended up running.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 10: that, that route is designed. He's, you can see it.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 10: He's coming off the line. He's kind of reading the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 10: linebacker and setting the linebacker up and you want to
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 10: see him break out on that route. And he breaks
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 10: right into the linebackers leverage. And like, these are the
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 10: little things that I just see pop up with him. Like,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 10: you know, two or three times a game that like
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 10: guys that we know of that were high volume in
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 10: that role, Welker Edelman, uh, whatever those guys, that was instinctive.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 10: Like that was innate to them. Like, Inside leverage, I'm
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 10: breaking out. Outside leverage, I'm breaking in. Zone coverage, I'm sitting.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 10: These things are just like... I know it sounds easy.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 10: But when it's live and the game's moving fast, it's
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 10: not as easy. If you're going to try to find
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 10: ways to get Chisholm on the field more, to me,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 10: that's where it is.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 10: And so if Chisholm's earned himself more work, which I
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 10: think he probably has... Trying him inside and seeing if
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 10: he can run the option routes a little bit better
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 10: might be the spot.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Just wonder what it looks like without, sorry Fred, without
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: Matt Collins. Like when we said on the show, we'll
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: see with Kyle Williams, but they really don't have an
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: outside guy anymore. Maybe they do send Pop downfield a
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: little bit more.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: Can they use, like, I mean, I know he's not
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: anywhere near that kind of skill set, but can they
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: use him? Can they use Chisholm as... Like I'd rather
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: have Chisholm playing 50 plays a game than Kyle Williams.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: If it comes to that, you know, Evan's looking for
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: him to use some of the slot.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're saying the outside guy.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: He's not a traditional outside guy, but.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Put him in the Sunday, like a boundary receiver.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 10: I did it on Sunday. I mean, he caught a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 10: 19 yard.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: That was a perfect, but I mean, like he's not
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: catching 50, 50 balls in the end zone.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: He's just not, but I'm not throwing him 50, 50 balls.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: I'm asking him like, So keep Douglas where he is
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: in his spot and have him just do what Evan's
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: kind of explaining, how he has been kind of in
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: the Hollins role. Because I don't think Kyle Williams has
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: done anything to warrant more snaps. No, I think that's fair.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: So give Chisholm more snaps. He's done much more with
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: his opportunities.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I think that's what it will be short term.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 10: When A.J. Brown comes back, I think that I'm getting
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 10: Chisholm on the field.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: Now everybody gets back in where they should be.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: But that could be, yes. If Brown is back, then
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: you can use Chisholm like Douglas. The way the.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 10: Teams are playing them so much in zone, because of Drake.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: May, I don't know.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 10: I'm not giving up on Pop Douglas, but at some point,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 10: that light has got to come on of how to
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 10: run routes inside the formation and inside the middle of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 10: the field. Him against a linebacker is a mismatch. He
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 10: should win that every single time. And they're kind of
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 10: counting on him to be able to win it every
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 10: single time. in a lot of these situations, and he's
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 10: just consistently not doing it. So at some point, you know,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 10: Chisholm just keeps making plays every time he's.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: On the field.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremiah has the exact same question about this topic, about,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: you know, Chisholm getting more snaps now after the performance,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: and will it be in Pop's role or will it
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: be the Hollins' role? So that's what we're talking about.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 10: It's going to have to be Hollins' role because Pop's
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 10: going to have to play. So, like, you're not going
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 10: to put Pop outside. So, like, you're going to have to,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: if you need to play Dobbs, Chisholm, and Pop, like,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 10: Pop is going to be the one in the slot
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 10: and Chisholm is going to be outside. The other thing
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 10: I would just say about Chisholm playing in the slot
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 10: is that he's a better blocker. So, like, he's a bigger,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 10: more sturdier guy. I mean, he's not huge, but inside
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 10: he's a little bit bigger. I'm ready to see more
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: of Fred's guy. I think it's time.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: Claire's back in the U.K.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: What's up, Claire?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 16: Have you got me now?
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 13: Hey.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 14: Hi, everyone.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: It's been a while.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: It has.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 16: You guys are all looking great. You are all well.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 12: Thanks.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 16: I have two points. See, I'm quite... I'm exasperated. Why
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 16: have I not got more... Excitement about how we beat
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 16: the Bills in the Bills' new house. I mean, you
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 16: should be freaking out about this. This is amazing. This
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 16: made me freak out that we beat the Bills. Sorry,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 16: they beat the Bills in the Bills' new house. This
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 16: is definitely time of celebration.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: You don't think that people are excited about it?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 16: You guys, I wanted more enthusiasm.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 14: Paul said it better.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 16: I wanted more enthusiasm.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: I'm getting chastised for not being excited enough.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: I think we're pretty high energy. I don't know.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, Evan's Evan. Nothing is, you know.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: It's on his phone. He's in the chat.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: He's fiddling with his phone now.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 16: I want an enthusiasm for Paul.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: He does it the best.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry. I thought we tried to bring enthusiasm
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: and energy, but we'll.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: Try to do better.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 16: Paul, I'm just kidding with you guys.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: I have a point.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 16: I have a second point. They contained the top receiving
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 16: tight end in the league presently really quite well in Kincaid.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 16: How are you guys feeling about Brock Bowers going into
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 16: against the Raiders?
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: It's a good one.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Claire. We will turn the page tomorrow.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the Raiders. So I'm sure
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: Brock Bowers will be part of that.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Max Crosby will be part of that discussion. Kirk Cousins.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. So we're going to talk about Raiders tomorrow.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: We're putting a cornerback on him.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 10: I've been waiting for them to do that for four years.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: So here's the thing, Claire.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: You say we weren't excited about the Bills game enough,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: and now you're talking about the Raiders game.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: She said she was only kidding.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: Let's let this game breathe a little bit.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 10: We try to stay a little balanced. We're not going
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 10: to come in here and start throwing parades.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Paul in the Colony wants to know, how long is
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Shabab going to pretend she is not actually a Patriots fan?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Shabab.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 10: That is true. She always says, like, you and your team.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: She's a Patriots fan.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: She wants to be a Patriots fan.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Did she say her husband was a Patriots fan?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: Is that how she's gotten sucked up into this?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: No, she was a Washington fan.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 10: I don't remember that. I don't remember.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: But she said that.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 10: It's her cousins that didn't move me.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: He's got 11 touchdowns. Let's go to North Carolina where
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Caleb is on the phone.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: What's up, Caleb?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Williams. Caleb.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 15: Can you guys hear me?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: Hey, do you know Shabab?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Shabab.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 26: I'm familiar with her.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 15: Shabab.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 25: How are you guys doing today?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. Not good enough.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 25: Good, good, good.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 26: I do aspire to be a member of sports media.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 26: I work at a news station right now. Cover tons
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 26: of sports in college, so I can't wait to hopefully
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 26: join you guys one day. I've tried to apply. I
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 26: haven't gotten anything back. But anyway, I'm a Patriots fan
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 26: by nature, and I just wanted.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 25: To ask you guys.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 26: What was you guys' confidence level 1 through 10 before
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 26: this game, and how much has it changed now? I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 26: know we're battered by injuries. I know that the Bills
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 26: seem to be on a slump, and Miami and New
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 26: York seem to be an up-and-coming team. But what's you guys'
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 26: confidence level at post-win and pre-win?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 10: I felt the same way as I did. before they
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 10: beat the Bills, that they should win the next two games.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 10: You're playing the Raiders and the Jets at home. You
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 10: should win both those games, and I'd be pretty disappointed.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: I didn't have a lot of faith that they were
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: going to go to Buffalo. I'm not going to try
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: to be fraud about it. I didn't think they were
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: going to win the game. So I didn't have a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: lot of confidence there. I agree with Evan. I fully
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: expected to come back and win the next two and
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: be 3-3.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: I was hoping that they were going to play better
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 10: in Buffalo and then get back to 3-3, get A.J.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 10: Brown back, and now we're rolling again.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: Now we'll see what happens.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 10: Right, but this obviously is just kind of cherry on
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 10: top that they actually won the game. But the Raiders
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: and the Jets, those are games you should win.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm with Paul and Evan. Going in, I didn't
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: think we were going to win. I was just hoping
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: they'd play better, and that's what I said. But if
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: they had played really poorly in Buffalo, like as bad as.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville, I would be worried about the rest of the season.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 10: Could you not be?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: My rest of the season is kind of the same.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: I need to see more than a game.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: Oh, sure.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: But I'm a little.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: I feel better now. I know it's in us. This
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: is a different team.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be one and three.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: It's two and two. That's how you can't help but
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: feel better.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 25: Guys, I have one more question. As a fan that's watching,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 25: I'm not in the locker room like you guys are,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 25: but you know, as a fan that's watching.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 26: Were there some questions about Drake Mays' leadership?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 25: Because I was watching that Jacksonville game, and there were
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 25: shots where Drake is just sitting right next.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 14: To Josh McDaniels.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 25: And I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, man, if
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 25: this was Brady, Josh would have been like, hey, man,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 25: get away from me. Don't motivate your team.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 14: Don't talk to the team.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 26: Are there any concerns about his vocal leadership?
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's the natural alpha like Brady was
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: or like some of these– You know, from day one,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Drake has been like, I have to earn it. I
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: have to earn the right to tell other players what
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: to do. And I'm not sure that even up to
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: this point he's felt he has that yet. He has
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: earned that right to do it. He's more humble than
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Brady was.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 10: I would agree with that. I think he's definitely an alpha.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 10: And I think he's a very confident guy. And I
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 10: think he's good at everything. Like everybody that you talk
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 10: to says that.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, as an athlete, yeah.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 10: As an athlete.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Caleb.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 10: Whether he picks, you know, Josh McDaniel is talking about golf, pickleball, basketball, football.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: But does that mean he's a leader?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 10: I think that he's one of the best leaders on
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 10: the team. And I think that every single guy you
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 10: talk to consistently, Christian Gonzalez was asked, you know, who
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 10: are some of the best leaders you've been around? And
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 10: he said Drake May. So I think that there's different
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: ways to lead. He's probably not going to go up
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 10: and down the sideline berating his offensive line. I think
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 10: that's what.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: Fans are looking for.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 10: Because that's what you see. I don't think that that's
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 10: the type of leader that he is like Brady was,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 10: where we've got to play harder, we've got to play tougher.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 10: I don't know if he's there yet in that respect,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 10: but I think that a lot of his teammates would
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 10: stand up and say, no, he is a great leader.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 10: He's just maybe not... Brady-esque.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of different ways to lead.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: And I go back to what Troy told us about
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: when Brady got in the huddle as a second-year guy
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: who they didn't really know what to expect. And he
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: already had that confidence where some players might need to
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: prove it first and feel like they're playing. But I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: wonder with Drake, I feel like his leadership is more... Like,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: you just love him. Like, you kind of love him as, like,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: a little brother. Kind of, you know, like, he's a
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: great athlete.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: But, like, you just... It isn't like you're afraid of him. And,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I'm having trouble putting it
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: into words.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a good one. Because Brady... If you
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: screwed up, you knew Brady was going to... I'm talking
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: about practice now. You knew Brady was going to be
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: in your face.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: You've got to do better.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Drake does that yet, or I
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if Drake has felt he's earned the right.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: To do that yet.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: I had hockey coaches I was afraid of, and then
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: I had a hockey coach that I just didn't want
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: to let down. I think different players respond differently to
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: different forms of leadership. For me, the coach that I
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: didn't want to let down was one of my favorite
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: coaches of all time. I still felt like my aggressive...
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Angry Coach got good things out of me, but I
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: don't know if he got as much out of me.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: So I just think there's a lot of different ways
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: to do it. I see what Evan sees. I think
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: these guys love Drake May. They rally around him. But
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think that he's the traditional kind of.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: Hey, get out there. Let's go.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: I think they love him. He just does his thing,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: and he's a good athlete, and he's clutch.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, he can throw the ball really well.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: No, I think they love him.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think the other part is still developing.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 10: I guess it's just, like, does he have to be
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: barking at people?
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 25: No.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 10: Like, I guess maybe that's where I'm coming from, is, like,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 10: I just don't think that Brady, A, was maybe one
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 10: of the best leaders in the history of sports. So, like, that's, like,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 10: kind of a tough one to compare him to. But, B,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 10: I would say, like, that was Brady's style. Brady was aggressive.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 10: Brady was a lot like, like, you hear stories about
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 10: Michael Jordan, that they're similar, that they demanded... excellence from
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 10: their teammates and really held everybody accountable in that sense
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 10: i don't know if that's how everybody leads though and
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 10: i don't know if all good leaders have to lead that.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: Way what's josh allen like does he i mean i'm
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: asking honestly i don't know he doesn't seem to me
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: like to kind of get in their guy's face like
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: he seems similar to me in drake's mold.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah i think there's a difference between getting in guys
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: faces and kind of being a passive low-key guy And
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know, like I said, I think that second
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: part for Drake May is still developing. And I think
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel's kind of telling you that every summer.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: Like, I want, this is what I want from you.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: I want you, you know, like, it doesn't have to
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: be like Dan Marino lighting everybody up all the time. Like,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's necessarily always the best thing for
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: the team.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite tip stories is about them telling
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: the offensive line, like, Dan's.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Yelling at you again. Like, how do you feel about that?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: You know, throwing gas on the fire whenever Marino would
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: get upset.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: He was the worst.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Email us about Efton Chisholm's girlfriend.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Kraft, please get this woman an airline ticket so she
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: can watch our boy play. Was anyone else dismayed that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: she had to drive to Buffalo? But I think she
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: drove other people.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not dismayed that they have to drive to
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: games like everybody else.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: Well, she drove to Buffalo.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: It's a long drive.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, she had the opportunity to fly.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: We didn't drive.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: Dan Roach drove.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Roach drove.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Taylor drove.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: It's not the worst drive.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: What are we doing? It's just a joke. Yeah, I know,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm making fun of it. It's not funny.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: It's untrue.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, how about C.J. Gardner-Johnson? We didn't talk about that.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: I know it was a joke. I was trying to
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: be silly.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: Let's see.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Joe writes in Michigan, Can a game be both one
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: by one team and simply given an early Christmas gift
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: by the other?
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: I really like the after-game comments by the players, keeping
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: their heads clear and focused, and that is surely a
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: reflection of the coach. A good step forward and another
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: challenge coming up with the Raiders. My prediction for season
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: is a flip-flop, undefeated at home instead of on the road.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: Can you have them?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 10: I would just say that we were talking about this
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 10: on Catch-22. Like, Vrabel has a great knack for, like,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 10: keeping the team on the rails. And they played a
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 10: really bad game down in Jacksonville. And Drake May played awful.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 10: And not saying that Josh Allen didn't answer questions yesterday, but...
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 10: The reactions from the Bills players, I would say, compared
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 10: to some of the reactions that we saw from the
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 10: Patriots players when they played poorly, I found that interesting.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: This is in the Bills' DNA.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: When we beat them in that win game, the reaction
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: after that game was sour grapes.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: They were right.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: They never lost again.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: I know, but they.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: They knew what happened in that game, and then they
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: came in and blew doors off twice.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: I know, but after that game, it was sour grapes.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, and they were right.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: I agree with Evan.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: They needed a little less C.J. Gardner-Johnson making fun of
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: Efton Chisholm after that game and a little more self-reflection.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: The win game, they were right. They knew what happened
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: in the game and then they went out and didn't
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: punt the next two times they played in the game.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: That's not what happened in this game. They played like
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: crap in this game. It had nothing to do with
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: weather or anything else. They got outplayed. And C.J. Gardner-Johnson's
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: being disrespectful to your guy after Chisholm saying a practice
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: squad player made a great play. They needed to look
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: in the mirror. And I'm not saying that he's a
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: whack job. As Rabel said, he's been on eight teams
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: in four years. That's why.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that speaks for the whole Buffalo team,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: but I kind of agree with Evan. Like, you needed
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: to have a little self-reflection. Why did you play so
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: badly two weeks in a row at home?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah. Look in the mirror. That Jacksonville game was probably
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 10: Drake May's worst game of his career. And, like, you know,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 10: he apologized for it the next day, I guess, down
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 10: in Buffalo. But, like, Maxwell Harrison stormed out of the
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 10: locker room and didn't talk to anybody.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: Again.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: And he was one of the— He played a terrible game.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: Answer the questions. The other kid did. The rookie who's
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: getting a lot of praise, by the way, by veterans.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: And I don't know how to pronounce his name.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: They will always lose. When it comes down to it,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: they're not going to be the winner. So that's the
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: way it is. If you play in Buffalo, that's how
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: it's going to be.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 10: I just think it's a little bit of like.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 10: Leadership from the coaching level and the head coach level,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 10: I would say.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: And this is what I talked about last week. Sean McDermott,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: I think, is a very flawed coach, but he would
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: have had his team ready to play better than they
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: played Sunday. Joe Brady probably looked at it and said,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: we've got to fix these things, but we won, right?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: How red would his ass be after that game?
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: Right, and they would have responded again. They responded to
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: the wind game. Like, this is why I say it's
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: not a good analogy.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they respond right up to the playoffs, and then
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: they lose.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: Not to the Patriots. They didn't punt. They won 47-17.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 10: That was the least competitive game I've ever watched.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: This is my point. That's what the Buffalo Bills needed
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: to do on Sunday after their performance against the Chargers. Instead,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: they played another terrible game.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Well, to Fred, there's also, to me, an element of just.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: pressure building on we've got a great quarterback and we
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: just changed head coach and we just changed our defense.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: What is he 30 now the clock is a ticking.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: And to every point like let's listen right so let's
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: talk about so they were missing one guy so like
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: the patriots are missing guys and the bills are missing
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: guys so what right they both are missing their top
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: so you're missing your top corner you have a first
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: round pick who already failed and is on like three
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: other teams in kair elam you know, cornerback. Now they
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: have another first round cornerback who's in his second year
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: and he was getting beat all over the field the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: other day and Maxwell Houston. And like to Evan's point,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: he storms out of the locker room and doesn't talk.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 10: He apologized yesterday. He came to the point. I'm just
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 10: trying to give the guy all the context, but like
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 10: it just, I take a, I love the tight pants guys.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 10: I love the OCs and the brilliant play callers and
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 10: all those types of guys. but vrabel just has this
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 10: like uncanny ability to control the temperature of the team
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 10: and like know which buttons to.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: Push and when to push them and set the temperature.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah and like it's unbelievable how he like this could
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 10: have gone off the rails They were 1-2 going into
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 10: a really good team's house in a big game, and
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 10: they could have laid another egg.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: So I'll tell you something that I sort of heard
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: just in talking to some people. And I know it's
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: real quick, but There was a lot of talk in
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: the first couple of weeks that he's kind of let
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: the foot off the gas a little bit. I'm talking
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: about Vrabel.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: And then the performance in Jacksonville was like, all right,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 4: enough of that crap.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: You know, we can't do it that way. Like, this
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: is what I'm saying. So you don't have to be,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: you know, a hard ass all the time.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: But you have to understand when you need to be.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: And, you know, maybe part of that, you know, is
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel's been around a few years and Joe Brady's
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: in his fourth game as a head coach.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: All right, Whitey, where's your hat?
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 12: Good afternoon, gentlemen. Uh, you know, it was, uh, like,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 12: like all you guys said, I was just really looking
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 12: for some improvement going into Buffalo. I mean, with the
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 12: right side, uh, Morgan Moses banged up your third right
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 12: guard playing, um, obviously without the Christians, I just figured,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 12: you know what, show some improvement, you know, look like
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 12: you're in the fight.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 14: Um, but so this was a, it was a huge way.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 12: Um, and, and a couple of points, um, Do.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 11: You think that Drake May will look at how the
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: game was finished and looked at the huge mistake by
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 11: the other quarterback and say, wow, that was me. I
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 11: need to really get something from that and, and yeah,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 11: And the other thing, the other point is just how
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 11: well the younger guys on defense are playing. And the
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 11: rest of the D did just enough to stay in
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 11: the game in the third.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 14: And fourth quarter.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 12: They played a great, it was a great game plan
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 12: in the first half. And I think that first half
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 12: stop in the run really made Brady, Brady panic. And,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 12: and as you say, he, he stopped giving the ball.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 18: I don't know why he would stop.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: Giving the ball.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 12: Uh, to his, uh, the name, his running back.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 10: Actually gave you the call in the second half. They
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 10: got to the run.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: In terms of like seeing Josh Allen make that, I mean,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: Drake has plenty of reel of his own to look
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: at those mistakes, but it doesn't hurt to see a
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: player of that stature, hey, he does it too.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 5: You know, and you can learn from it a little bit,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 5: but I don't want to overblow that.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: Seeing some.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: I think the bigger thing that Drake May needs to
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: see is all the stuff that Evan talked about, the
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: timing and when these plays are here.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 5: This is what can happen when you do it this way.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: When you run it the way we run it in practice,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 4: this is the success that you can have.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: Alright, that's going to be it for this edition of
• 2:01:08
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• 2:01:13
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• 2:01:17
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