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Mark Zuckerberg Biden Covid Lies FB Censorship · Gil I Am

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Speaker 1: All right, what's up everybody?
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Speaker 2: This is Gill and today I'm gonna go and I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna review Mark Zuckerberg and Joe Rogan's conversation about the
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Speaker 2: fact checking and how he's reverting back to a more
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Speaker 2: open program where people are not going to be fact
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Speaker 2: checked as most is gonna be some community guidelines. And
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Speaker 2: this guy, to me, is a fucking opportunist. He's a
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Speaker 2: lawyer first and foremost. He was trying to manipulate the government,
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Speaker 2: not to try the government trying to manipulate the election,
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Speaker 2: which he successfully did, and he can say that the
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Speaker 2: government pressured him only once. He does not believe in
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Speaker 2: free speech. The only reason why he is at the
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Speaker 2: point that he's at right now is because Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: won the election, and he's hoping that reverting back to
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Speaker 2: a community standard where the community can police misinformation, disinformation
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Speaker 2: or incorrect whatever, is because he's afraid. He's afraid that
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will come after him. He is afraid, and
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Speaker 2: he should be. He screwed up. He is a left wing,
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Speaker 2: far left wing person.
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Speaker 1: And I don't care if you far left wing or
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Speaker 1: far right wing.
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Speaker 2: The you are an extremist that does not deserve to
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Speaker 2: be taken into account. So this guy and Joe Rogan
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Speaker 2: have their conversation, and let me tell you something, I
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Speaker 2: bet you one hundred percent that he's nothing but a
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Speaker 2: for liar, and I hope to God.
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Speaker 1: That Joe Rogan gets to the bottom of this. So
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Speaker 1: let's listen.
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Speaker 3: I was really worried from the beginning about basically becoming
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Speaker 3: this sort of decider of what is true in the world. Right,
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Speaker 3: that's a kind of a crazy position to be in
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Speaker 3: for billions of people using your service, and so we
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Speaker 3: tried to put in place, you know, a system that
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Speaker 3: would deal with it, you know, and early on tried
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Speaker 3: to basically make it to that it was really limited.
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Speaker 3: We're like, all right, we're just gonna have this system
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Speaker 3: where there these third party fact checkers and they can
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Speaker 3: check the worst of the worst stuff, right, so things
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Speaker 3: that are very clear hoaxes that there's like it's not
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Speaker 3: like like we're not parsing speech about whether something is
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Speaker 3: slightly true or slightly false, like Earth is flat, you know,
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Speaker 3: things like that. Right, So that was sort of the
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Speaker 3: original intent we put in place the system, and it
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Speaker 3: just sort of veered from there. I think to some
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Speaker 3: degree it's because some of the people whose job is
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Speaker 3: to do fact checking. A lot of their industry is
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Speaker 3: focused on political fact checking, so they're just kind of
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Speaker 3: veered in that direction. And we kept on trying to
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Speaker 3: to basically get it to be what we had originally
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Speaker 3: intended was is just you know, it's not the point
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Speaker 3: is and to like judge people's opinions. It's to provide
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Speaker 3: in this layer to to to kind of help fact
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Speaker 3: check some of the stuff that seems the most extreme.
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Speaker 2: But and so here is the problem with your determination
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Speaker 2: that you're going to only police the most extreme items.
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Speaker 2: That is definitely, without a shadow of doubt, against the
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Speaker 2: basis of free speech. We can't determine on a platform
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Speaker 2: that large what is right or wrong.
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Speaker 1: Everything is up for grabs.
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Speaker 2: I hate racist speech, but I will fight to the
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Speaker 2: death to protect it. I hate false information, but that's
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Speaker 2: this thing that you're allowed to do. You're allowed to
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Speaker 2: say what you want, believe what you want, act how
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Speaker 2: you want.
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Speaker 1: You can do any of those things as long as
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Speaker 1: you're not.
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Speaker 2: Physically hurting anyone or terrorizing someone.
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Speaker 1: You could say what you want.
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Speaker 2: This guy, I'm telling you, this whole thing is going
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Speaker 2: to be nothing but lies.
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Speaker 3: It just you know, it was just never accepted by
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Speaker 3: people broadly. I think people just felt like the fact
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Speaker 3: checkers were too biased, not necessarily even so much and
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Speaker 3: what they ruled, although sometimes I think people would disagree
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Speaker 3: with that, a lot of the time, it was just
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Speaker 3: what types of things they chose to even go in
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Speaker 3: fact check in the first time in the first place.
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Speaker 3: So I I kind of think like, after having gone
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Speaker 3: through that whole exercise, it, I don't know, it's something
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Speaker 3: out of like you know, nineteen eighty four, one of
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Speaker 3: these books where it's just like it really is a
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Speaker 3: slippery slope, and it just got to a point where
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Speaker 3: it's just, Okay, this is destroying so much trust, especially
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Speaker 3: in the United States to have this program. And I
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Speaker 3: guess it was probably about a few years that I
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Speaker 3: really started coming to the conclusion that we were going
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Speaker 3: to need to to change something about that. COVID was
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Speaker 3: the other big one where that was that was also
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Speaker 3: very tricky because you know, the beginning, it was, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's like a legitimate public health crisis, you know, in
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Speaker 3: the in the beginning, and it's you know, even people
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Speaker 3: who are like the most ardent first men mint you know,
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Speaker 3: defenders that the Supreme Court has this clear press and
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Speaker 3: that it's like, all right, you can't yell fire in
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Speaker 3: a crowded theater. There are times when if there's an emergency,
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Speaker 3: your your ability to speak can temporarily be curtailed in
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Speaker 3: order to get an emergency under control. So I was
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Speaker 3: sympathetic to that. At the beginning of COVID, it seemed like, okay,
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Speaker 3: you have this virus. It seems like it's killing a
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Speaker 3: lot of people. I don't know if we didn't know
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Speaker 3: at the time how dangerous it was going to be.
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Speaker 3: So at the beginning, it kind of seemed like, okay,
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Speaker 3: we should give a little bit of deference to the
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Speaker 3: government and the health authorities on how we should play this.
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Speaker 3: But when it went from you know, two weeks to
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Speaker 3: flatten the curve to you know, and like in the
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Speaker 3: beginning it was like, Okay, there aren't enough masks. Masks
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Speaker 3: aren't that important. To then it's like, oh no, you
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Speaker 3: have to wear a mask, and you know, the like
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Speaker 3: everything was shifting around, it should become very difficult to
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Speaker 3: kind of follow. And this really hit the most extreme,
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Speaker 3: I'd say, during it was during the Biden administration when
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Speaker 3: they were trying to roll out the vaccine program. And
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Speaker 3: now I'm generally like pretty pro rolling out vaccines. I
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Speaker 3: think on balance the vaccines are more positive than negative.
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Speaker 3: But I think that while they're trying to push that program,
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Speaker 3: they also tried to censor anyone who is basically arguing
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Speaker 3: against it, and they pushed us super hard to take
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Speaker 3: down to things that we're honestly were true, right, I
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Speaker 3: mean the they basically pushed us and said, you know,
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Speaker 3: anything that says that vaccines might have side effects you
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Speaker 3: basically need to take down. And I was just like,
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Speaker 3: we're not going to do that. Like, We're clearly not
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Speaker 3: going to do that. I mean that that that that
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Speaker 3: is kind of inarguably.
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Speaker 4: They who's telling you to take down things? Yeah, it
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Speaker 4: was it was talk about vaccine side effect.
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Speaker 3: It was people in the in the Biden administration. I
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Speaker 3: think it was you know, I was an involved in
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Speaker 3: those conversations directly, but I think it was.
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Speaker 4: How difficult is that to not be involved in those
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Speaker 4: conversations directly. That's got to be strange too, right, because
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Speaker 4: you're running the company, but there's clearly you're moderating at
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Speaker 4: scale that's beyond.
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Speaker 2: And if at any point you believe that this guy
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Speaker 2: was not involved in those conversations, you are out of
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Speaker 2: your mind. He knew exactly what was going on, he
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Speaker 2: knew what they were doing when they were doing it,
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Speaker 2: and he participated willingly in this. He is only trying
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Speaker 2: to save himself and his company, that is all he's
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Speaker 2: trying to do.
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Speaker 4: The imagination the number of human beings you're moderating is
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Speaker 4: fucking insane. Like what is well, what's the Facebook? How
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Speaker 4: many people use it on a daily basis? Forget about
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Speaker 4: how many overall? Like how many people use it regularly?
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Speaker 3: It's three point two billion people use one of our
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Speaker 3: services every day. That's yeah, No, it's wild.
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Speaker 4: A third planet. That's so crazy, and it's almost of Earth.
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Speaker 3: Well on a monthly basis it is probably how.
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Speaker 4: But just I want to I want to say that though,
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Speaker 4: for there's a lot of like hypercritical people that are
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Speaker 4: conspiracy theorists and think that everybody is a part of
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Speaker 4: some cabal to control them. I want you to understand
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Speaker 4: that whether it's YouTube or all these in whatever place
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Speaker 4: that you think is doing something that's awful, it's good
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Speaker 4: that you speak because this is how things get changed,
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Speaker 4: and this is how people find out that people are
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Speaker 4: upset about content moderation and and censorship. But moderating at
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Speaker 4: scale is insane. Yeah, it's insane.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That what we were talking the other day about the
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Speaker 4: number of videos that go up every hour on YouTube,
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Speaker 4: and it's bananas. It's bananas. That's like to try to
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Speaker 4: get a human being that is reasonable, logic, logical, and
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Speaker 4: objective that's going to analyze every video, it's virtually impossible.
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Speaker 4: It's not possible. So you got to use a bunch
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Speaker 4: of tools. You gotta get a bunch of things wrong.
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Speaker 4: And you have also people reporting things, and how much
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Speaker 4: is that gonna affect things? You could have mass reporting
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Speaker 4: because you have bad actors, you have some corporation that
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Speaker 4: decides we're going to attack this video because it's bad
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Speaker 4: for us, get it taken down. There's so much going on.
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Speaker 4: Just I want to put that in people's heads before
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Speaker 4: we go on, Like, understand the kind of numbers that
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Speaker 4: we're talking about here. Now understand you have the pandemic
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Speaker 4: and then you have the administration is doing something where
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Speaker 4: I think they cross the line where it gets really weird,
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Speaker 4: where they're saying what you were saying that we're trying
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Speaker 4: you to get you to take down vaccine side effects,
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Speaker 4: which is just crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, like you're saying, I mean, this is
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Speaker 3: it's so complicated this system that I could spend every
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Speaker 3: minute of all of my time doing this and not
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Speaker 3: actually focused on building any of the things that we're
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Speaker 3: trying to do AI glasses, like the future of social
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Speaker 3: media all that stuff. So somebody I get involved in
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Speaker 3: this stuff. But in general, we have a policy team.
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Speaker 3: There are people who I trust there that people are
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Speaker 3: kind of working this on a day to day basis.
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Speaker 3: And the interactions that that was just referring to, I
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Speaker 3: mean a lot of this is documented. I mean because uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, Jim Jordan and the House had this whole
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Speaker 3: investigation and committee into into the the kind of government
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Speaker 3: censorship around stuff like this, and we produced all these
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Speaker 3: documents and it's all in the public domain. I mean, basically,
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Speaker 3: these people from the Biden administration would call up our
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Speaker 3: team and like scream at them and curse, and it's
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Speaker 3: like these documents are it's all kind of out there.
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Speaker 4: Did you record any of those phone calls?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think we were. But but
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Speaker 3: I think, I mean, there are emails, the emails are published,
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Speaker 3: it's all, it's all kind of out there, and and
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Speaker 3: they're like and basically it just got to this point
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Speaker 3: where we were like, no, we're not gonna We're not
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Speaker 3: gonna take down things that are true. That's ridiculous. They
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Speaker 3: want us to take down this meme of Leonardo DiCaprio
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Speaker 3: looking at a TV talking about how ten years from
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Speaker 3: now or something, you know, you're going to see an
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Speaker 3: ad that says, okay, if you took a COVID vaccine,
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Speaker 3: your eligible you know, you know, like uh for for
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Speaker 3: this kind of payment. Except it was sort of like
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Speaker 3: class action lawsuit type meme. And they're like, no, you
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Speaker 3: have to take that down. We said, no, we're not.
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Speaker 3: We're not actually take down humor and satire. We're not
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Speaker 3: going to take down things that are that are true.
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Speaker 3: And then at some point, I guess, uh, I don't
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Speaker 3: flipped a bit. I mean Biden when he was he
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Speaker 3: gave some statement at some point, I don't know if
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Speaker 3: his press conference or to some journalists where he basically
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Speaker 3: was like these guys are killing people and and and
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Speaker 3: I don't know, then like all these different agencies and
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Speaker 3: branches of government basically just like started investigating coming after
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Speaker 3: our company. It was it was brutal. It was brutal.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a massive overstepping. Yeah, and you weren't
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Speaker 4: killing people. This is this is the thing about all
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Speaker 4: of this. It's like they suppressed so much information about
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Speaker 4: things that people should be doing. Regardless of whether or
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Speaker 4: not you believe in the vaccine, Regardless put that aside,
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Speaker 4: metabolic health is of the utmost importance in your everyday life.
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Speaker 2: When it's all said and done. I believe, honestly with
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Speaker 2: the vaccine that they did the best they could. This
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Speaker 2: was uncharted territory. The vaccine, to me, wasn't the issue.
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Speaker 2: The control over everybody.
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Speaker 1: Was the issue.
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Speaker 2: Everyone was desperate. We knew nothing. We didn't know if
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Speaker 2: this was going to kill off half the world's population.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that the installment of the the vaccine
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Speaker 2: was was some perverse thing. But once they got it
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Speaker 2: into circulation, the administration of it, the forcefulness they tried
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Speaker 2: to force you to take it, those were the crimes.
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Speaker 2: That's where the crimes came. Where they started hiding information.
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Speaker 2: But they were desperate, man, we were desperate. I didn't
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Speaker 2: know what was going on. I was sick as a dog.
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Speaker 2: I got it probably three four times. I'm lucky to
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Speaker 2: be alive. But anyway, we'll keep going with this. But
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Speaker 2: one of these days, all of this is going to
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Speaker 2: come out, and it's going to be This whole administration,
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Speaker 2: this whole four year period will be one of the
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Speaker 2: worst presidential four years you've ever seen in your life.
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Speaker 4: Whether there's a pandemic or there's not. And there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of things that you can do that can help
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Speaker 4: you recover from illness. It prevents illnesses, it makes your
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Speaker 4: body more robust and healthy, it strengthens your immune system,
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Speaker 4: and they were suppressing all that information, and that's just crazy.
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Speaker 4: You can't say you're one of the good guys if
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Speaker 4: you're suppressing information that would help people recover from all
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Speaker 4: kinds of diseases, not just covid, the flu, common cold,
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Speaker 4: all sorts of different things, high doses of vitamin C
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Speaker 4: D three with K two and magnesium. They were suppressing
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Speaker 4: this stuff because they didn't want people to think that
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Speaker 4: you could get away with not taking a vaccine, which
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Speaker 4: is really crazy when you're talking about something that ninety
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Speaker 4: nine point zh seven percent of people survive. This is
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Speaker 4: a crazy overstep, but scare the shit out of a
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Speaker 4: lot of people's red pilled as it were a lot
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Speaker 4: of people because they realized, like, oh, nineteen eighty four
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Speaker 4: is like an instruction manual. It's like this is it
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Speaker 4: shows you how things can go that way with wrong
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Speaker 4: speak and with bizarre distortion of facts. And when it
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Speaker 4: comes down to it, in today's day and age, the
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Speaker 4: way people get information is through your platform, through x
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Speaker 4: This is how people are getting information. They're getting information
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Speaker 4: from YouTube, They're getting information from a bunch of different
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Speaker 4: sources now, and you can't censor that if it's real,
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Speaker 4: legitimate information because it's not ideologically convenient for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So, I mean that's basically the journey that I've been on.
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Speaker 3: Right started off very prore free speech, free expression, you know,
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Speaker 3: and then over the last ten years there were been
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Speaker 3: these two big episodes. It was the Trump election in
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Speaker 3: the aftermath where I feel like, in retrospect I deferred
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Speaker 3: too much to the kind of critique of the media
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Speaker 3: on what we should do, and since then, I think
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Speaker 3: generally trust in media has fallen off a cliff, right,
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Speaker 3: So I don't think I'm alone in that journey. I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, that's basically the the the experience that that
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Speaker 3: a lot of people have had is okay, it's the
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Speaker 3: stuff that's been written about is not kind of all accurate,
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Speaker 3: and even if the facts are right, it's kind of
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Speaker 3: written from a slant a lot of the.
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Speaker 1: Time, of course.
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Speaker 3: And then and then there's the government version of it,
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Speaker 3: which is during COVID, which is okay, like it's like
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Speaker 3: our government is telling us that we need to censor
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Speaker 3: true things. It's like this is a disaster, and it's
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Speaker 3: you know, it's not just the US, right. I think
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Speaker 3: a lot of people in the US focus on this
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Speaker 3: as an American phenomenon, but I kind of think that
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Speaker 3: the reaction to COVID probably caused a break down and
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Speaker 3: trust in a lot of governments around the world, because,
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Speaker 3: I mean, twenty four was a big election year around
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Speaker 3: the world, and you know, there are all these countries India,
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Speaker 3: just like a ton of countries that had that had
16:23
Speaker 3: elections and the incumbents basically lost every single one. So
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Speaker 3: there is some sort of a global phenomenon where the
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Speaker 3: the whether it was because of inflation, because of the
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Speaker 3: the economic policies to deal with with COVID, or just
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Speaker 3: how the government's dealt with COVID seems to have had
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Speaker 3: this effect that's global, not just the US, but like
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Speaker 3: a very broad decrease in trust at least in that
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Speaker 3: set of incumbents and maybe in sort of these democratic
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Speaker 3: institutions overall. So I think that what you're saying of, yeah,
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Speaker 3: how do people get their information now, it's by sharing
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Speaker 3: it online on social media. I think that that's just
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Speaker 3: increasingly true. And my view at this point is like,
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Speaker 3: all right, like we start off focused on free expression,
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Speaker 3: we kind of had this pressure tested over the last period.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I just have a much greater command
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Speaker 3: now of what I think the policy should be, and
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Speaker 3: like this is how it's going to be going forward.
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Speaker 3: And and so I mean, at this point, I think
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people look at this as
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Speaker 3: like a purely political thing.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: It's because they kind of look at the timing and
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Speaker 3: they're like, hey, well, you're doing this right after the election.
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Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I try not to like change our
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Speaker 3: content rules like right in the middle of an election either, Right,
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Speaker 3: It's like there's not like a great time to do this.
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Speaker 4: It's right, you know, and you want to do it
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Speaker 4: a year later.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like there's no good time to do it,
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Speaker 3: you know, and whatever time is going on, there's going
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Speaker 3: to be you know. So the good thing about doing
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Speaker 3: it after the election is you get to take this
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Speaker 3: kind of cultural pulse is like, Okay, where are people
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Speaker 3: right now and how are people thinking about it? We
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Speaker 3: try to have policies that reflect you know, mainstream discourse.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I don't know. This is something
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Speaker 3: I've been thinking about for a while. I think that
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Speaker 3: this is going to be pretty durable because at this
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Speaker 3: point we've just been pressure tested on this stuff for
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Speaker 3: like the last eight to ten years with like these
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Speaker 3: huge institutions just pressuring us, and and I feel like
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Speaker 3: this is kind of the right place to be going forward.
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Speaker 4: What was it like when they were attacking you, Like,
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Speaker 4: first of all, what was the premise? Like, what would
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Speaker 4: they were they saying? Was your offense? Was it that
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Speaker 4: you were allowing information that was not true that was
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Speaker 4: getting out there? I know there was also they're saying
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Speaker 4: that you guys were allowing hate groups to speak. There
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Speaker 4: was a lot of this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the tough thing with politics is that
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Speaker 3: there's like, well, when you say someone's coming after you,
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Speaker 3: you're referring to kind of the government and investigations and
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Speaker 3: all that.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 3: So the issue is that there's the there's what specif
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Speaker 3: agency might be looking into you for, and then there's
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Speaker 3: like the underlying political motivation, which is like, why do
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Speaker 3: the people who are running this thing hate you? And
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Speaker 3: those can often be two very different things.
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Speaker 2: And therein lies this whole thing. Nobody hated him. Nobody
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Speaker 2: in the last four years hated him. The only thing
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Speaker 2: he's concerned with is covering his ass because Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: came out and said that they were going to have
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Speaker 2: to pay for what they did, for what they did
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Speaker 2: to during COVID, for what they did during the election,
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Speaker 2: for what he did to suppress conservative voices. This guy
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Speaker 2: is a liar, He is a con artist, and he's
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Speaker 2: just trying to save that company. That is all he's doing.
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Speaker 2: And the worst part about it is nobody's going to
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Speaker 2: stop using Facebook because of what he did. That's the
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Speaker 2: worst part about it, because it's become so embedded in
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Speaker 2: our lives that we needed all the time, and we
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Speaker 2: use it all the time.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, this is Gil.
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Speaker 2: That is why my review of that Joe Rogan Mark
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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg interview, especially the part about COVID and Facebook being
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Speaker 2: more open platform. Please like, subscribe, share, comment, Please let
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Speaker 2: me know what you think, and please don't be silent.
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Speaker 2: Always have a voice. This is Gil. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you later.
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Speaker 1: Bye,