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Bear in the Big Blue Podcast - Berry Christmas! · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Oh, hi, it's you. I'm so glad to see you.
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  And you're just in time. Come on in.
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  Hey, wait a minute. What's that smell?
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  Have you just been watching Bear in the Big Blue House VHS tapes
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  downstairs in the basement? Because you smell like you've
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  been watching Bear in the Big Blue House VHS tapes.
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  Because you. Now you should just use that
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  tape. Just do it.
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  Just go. Just go.
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  It's. Fine, or maybe you just smell
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  this good all the time. Hi, welcome to Bear in the Big
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  Blue podcast. A Hi, welcome to bear in Oh God,
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  I'm Jadzia Dax. Save me now.
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  But hi, welcome to Bear in the Big Blue podcast brought to you
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  by toughpigs.com. This is the podcast where a
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  lifelong Bear in the Big Blue House fan Me Becca Petunia is
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  joined by. Me, Joe Hennes, who's watching
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  Bear in the Big Blue House for the very.
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  First time the Berry first time. I don't get it.
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  The winter Berry first time. There it is.
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  So we've been watching through the show because again, I'm a
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  huge fan of Bear Joe is watching for the first time, and also
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  we've got to get ready for our long winter's nap and for the
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  feast of the Winter Berry. And well, we've come to the end
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  of another one because, folks, this is the last episode of this
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  little mini series of Bear in the Big Blue podcast, because we
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  are talking about a Barry Bare Christmas Part 1 and 2, which
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  are episodes 325 and 326. And joining us, uh oh, I'm
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  getting that feeling again. Yeah, it's an itchin, a
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  scritchin, a twitchin, a scratchin.
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  It's time for Anthony Strand of toughpigs.com.
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  Oh, la, la, we're doing the very cha, cha cha.
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  I'm so excited. Hi, Becca.
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  Hi, Joe. You got to do the Anthony Cha
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  cha cha, Yeah. The Anthony Cha Cha Cha is just
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  to like, move my head back and forth like this.
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  Yeah, that's your, yeah, that's your signature move.
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  You're always, you're always doing that.
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  I'm always doing it. You have no idea.
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  I'm so glad you could join us from your VHS tape basement
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  because I got to tell everybody if you don't know the downstairs
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  Muppet Babies, this joke which has shown up occasionally on
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  Tough Pigs things definitely on Moving Right Along, which
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  Anthony who hosts Moving Right Along.
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  Why our pal Ryan Rowe and myself.
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  That's true, Co hosts. Moving right along, but.
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  Anthony Anthony loves watching VHS tapes in the basement with
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  his family and Anthony owns a Berry Bare Christmas on VHS
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  tape. You own the only the last
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  surviving copy. Wait, I'm going to go grab it.
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  I should have it with me. I'm going to go show you guys.
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  This is really important that you have the prop in your.
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  Hands. For a podcast, yeah, everyone
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  can tell whether or not. Here's a prop.
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  Here's a prop I have of Rizzo. Here's a broken gem in the
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  Holograms Christmas ornament that I've been meaning to glue
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  back together, but it's been a little tricky so it's just
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  sitting on my desk and I figured out.
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  Here's a pin that I bought for Sarah that says Charisma,
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  Uniqueness, Nerve, and Talent. That's pretty good.
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  I don't know if we can say that on a podcast though.
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  To say what? Don't worry about it, you'll
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  hear it when you listen to the final episode.
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  OK, here's my tape of Bear in the Big Blue House, a Berry Bear
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  Christmas parts 1 and 2. Can't confirm that it's what
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  Anthony is holding in his hand. Which I watched earlier today.
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  And here's what's weird about this tape, if I can get real in
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  the weeds. This thing was recorded in SLP
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  mode, which is like the version where you could record 6 hours
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  on a tape so it looked like mud. This is a professionally
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  released tape that is instead of SP like you would expect.
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  It's SLP or EP mode and it looks on a 70 inch TV hooked VCR
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  hooked up to it. Who, buddy?
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  It does not. Look great?
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  Let me tell. You guys.
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  So folks at home, if you don't know, Episode 325 of Barry Bear
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  Christmas is on Disney Plus. Episode 326 of Barry Bear
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  Christmas Part 2 is not on Disney Plus.
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  It's actually, it's actually called a Barry Bear Christmas
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  Foley Adu. We're a little.
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  We're a little, you know, you know, earlier we released the
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  first episode and someone said that I was bringing Tough Pigs
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  podcasts to a new height. And I think today is the day I
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  bring Tough Pigs podcasts to a new low.
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  That's that's what happens when you invite the Strand Man on I.
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  Didn't even fully introduce you, but we're getting into VHS talk
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  because right now in my house I only have two VHS tapes.
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  One is more Muppets Please and the other is a copy of Kermit
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  Swamp Years on VHS that Dave gave me.
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  Kermit Swamp Years Prep might have some of the same previews
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  as this because this is 2002 and it's Columbia Tristar.
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  Well, I'm sure Becca would check her VHS copy, but it's probably
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  holding up a table just at the perfect level right now, you
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  know? No, no, no, no it is.
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  It is prominently displayed on one of the shelves in my office.
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  But I don't own Bear in the Big Blue House.
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  Barry Bear. Boy, is everybody enjoying this
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  episode yet? I don't own Bear in the Big Blue
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  House, A Barry Bear Christmas on VHS, so we had to watch Part 2
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  on Internet Archive. And some of the things on
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  Internet Archive, especially those uploaded by our friend
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  Garrett Gilchrist, are uploaded beautifully restored.
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  You know these gorgeous, gorgeous things.
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  I know he just finished a different version of John Denver
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  and The Muppets of Christmas together.
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  That's restored better than ever before.
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  Barry Bear Christmas was not that.
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  It was a muddy recording from Playhouse Disney.
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  They advertise Roly Polyoli at the end.
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  Imagine a world where everything is round and robotic.
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  And I was like, yes, I was 6 at the time.
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  I could imagine that world. Do you want to know what
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  previews are on the tape? Anthony, let me introduce you
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  first. So Anthony is a long time pal of
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  tough pigs. Like Anthony said, Anthony hosts
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  the Moving Right Along podcast for toughpigs.com.
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  And Anthony, before you tell me the VHS previews that I might
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  see if I watch Gav's copy of Kermit's Swamp Years, why don't
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  you, Why don't you tell us about your history with Bear in the
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  Big Blue House? Because, much like Joe, you were
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  older than six years old when the show premiered.
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  Yes, but I'm, I'm a few years younger than Joe, so I was about
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  12 1/2 when the show premiered. I was starting 7th grade, right.
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  It's fall 97. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So I'm starting 7th grade, and I
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  didn't really start watching it until probably the next school
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  year. I think.
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  I feel like it had been on for a little while.
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  I have a brother who's five years younger than me, so he's
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  like 8 at this time. And he really loved the show,
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  which was my excuse to watch it, you know, But the thing about me
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  is that, like on your first episode, Joe, you were talking
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  about how there's that age where you're like, too cool for
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  Muppets. And for me at least, eighth
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  grade was not yet that age because I was, I was trying so
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  hard to love every Muppet thing still, you know, this was this
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  was the age where I'm like, Muppets tonight is the greatest
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  TV show ever made. And Ben, the Blue House, I
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  watched it. I loved it.
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  My brother and I watched it all the time.
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  I know you talked about the toilet tears episode when you've
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  got to go on a previous episode. And when my when my nephew Ollie
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  was starting to be potty trained, my brother Benjamin was
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  like, I can't believe that I'm pulling up this episode to to
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  show it to him, you know, like my son.
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  Quick question, your nephew Ollie.
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  Yeah. Round and robotic no.
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  He is, he is round. He has a big old noggin, but he
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  it's spelled differently. It's Ole, it's not OL i.e.
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  Like rolling polyol, a connection I've never made and I
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  if I had to. Guess I wouldn't.
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  I promise you I wouldn't have made it if I hadn't just made a
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  joke about rolling polyoli. Right.
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  But anyways, when I was a freshman in high school, we had
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  to do a persuasive speech on a topic, and I chose why You
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  should watch Bear in the Big Blue House as my persuasive
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  speech topic. And I delivered this to a room
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  full of my peers. So that's what I was like.
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  Did you, did you successfully indoctrinate any of them?
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  I mean my my friend Jason already liked it.
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  But that's not what I'm talking about.
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  I'm talking about like, were you, were you so good at
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  persuasive speaking that there was one kid in there who was
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  like, wow, I gotta go check. This out Anthony is like Anthony
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  is like the Purple Man, but only for bear in the Big Blue house.
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  So you might call him the Purple Otter.
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  I don't know what the purple man is.
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  That's David Tennant's character in Jessica Jones.
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  TV show I've never seen. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean. Yeah, I saw the.
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  I read the. He's also.
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  No, I did. I read, I read Alias the I read
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  the original run of Alias, but he's only in that last arc, I
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  don't think. Yeah, I don't think about him
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  when I think about that comic. It's like Case of the Week
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  stuff. That's.
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  What this podcast? Is about I didn't watch the show
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  because I heard it. They didn't do cases of the
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  week. I don't want to watch a show
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  about a detective where she doesn't solve cases.
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  All right. Would well, how would you feel
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  if Bear and the Big Blue House solved a case every week?
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  Bear the Big Blue House is very episodic.
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  No, I'm saying what if he was literally a detective?
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  Bear does solve cases every week.
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  It's like what if? What if the big.
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  Blue House was in the the little town from the murder, She wrote.
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  That'll be good, I would watch that.
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  I can't believe we started the season so good.
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  You want me to leave and you guys can just do this without?
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  Me. No, absolutely not.
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  Absolutely. Not the The other thing I was
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  going to say about my history with Bear in the Big Blue House
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  is that I could only find an episode list online.
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  I was a real episode guide head. I was my brother Derek used to
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  make fun of me for printing episode guides out and putting
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  them in binders, and I could only find an episode list for
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  Bear. So I decided that I needed to
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  write the episode guide myself. But the only way I knew how to,
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  the only way I knew how to do this was that when an episode
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  would come on, I would just like write a description.
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  And so I, I got through like 10 of them because it was just
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  like, that's not feasible when you're in school, you know?
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  Right. Yeah, I couldn't.
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  That's, that's fascinating. Yeah.
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  That's like, that's like what Danny, that's like what Danny
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  Horn was doing on in Muppetzine back in the 90s where it was
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  like in those like basically setting the stage for what the
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  Muppet Wiki would be and just saying like, I don't know, no
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  one's ever like written this down before.
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  So I guess I should watch these episodes of these TV shows and
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  like list them out in. Order of production.
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  Right. We talked about we talked about
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  how bear information was so hard to come by on the Internet at
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  this time that this was how I found tough pigs in the first
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  place. Was searching.
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  Was searching for bear information and Danny happened
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  to be writing a lot of a lot of bear articles at the time
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  because it's what was on TV. Right.
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  And then the the other part of my history with Bear that I
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  applies to this episode is that we I bought the soundtrack.
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  I bought bear in the big below holiday favorites on iTunes like
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  15 years ago or more. And I have that burned on ACD
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  with the Phineas and Ferb Christmas album.
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  And we listen to this in the car all the time, every Christmas
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  season many, many times. And so the the soundtrack to
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  this plus like a few Thanksgiving songs, Halloween
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  songs. That's my kids primary
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  experience with Bear in the Big Blue house.
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  Like for sure, you know? This is a great soundtrack like
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  it is I never owned. I owned the other two Bear
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  soundtracks because there was Songs from Bear and the Big Blue
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  House which I had on cassette. We have that one too.
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  It's. Still on cassette in in in my
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  office. It's right by Sidek.
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  Yeah, while you're pointing at Sidek, he's different.
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  Yeah, there's a giant side up behind me.
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  That's just the way that I live my life.
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  But. And I owned the second one,
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  which was more songs from Bear in the Big Blue House.
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  But I never owned this one. And after watching it today, I
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  got to, I got to find myself a copy of Bear's Holiday
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  Celebration from Jim Henson's Bear in the Big Blue House. 20
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  favorite Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas songs.
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  What a catchy title. Really pithy.
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  I I'll be I'll warn you a few of them are just about snow.
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  Yeah, I'm looking right now at the track list.
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  They also have some of the ones that are just about bats, which
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  is not. I'm Benny the Bat and I like it
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  like that, yet rules. Yeah.
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  Jim Krupa isn't it, I think. It is.
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  Jim Krupa does play Benny the Bat.
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  He played Batley, didn't he? I believe he did.
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  Yeah, it's all, it's all bats all the time at the Krupa house.
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  Anyway, so Anthony, before we get into talking about a Barry
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  Bear Christmas Part 1 and 2 and just kind of again our thoughts
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  on it. We don't really go play by play
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  scene by scene in this podcast. We talk about our thoughts
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  overall, but this is basically just one episode.
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  So I think it's a lot easier to even just go play by play a
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  little more for. But Anthony, why don't you tell
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  us what previews come before this on your SLPVHS tape of Bear
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  in the Big Blue House? A Barry Bear Christmas Part 1
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  and 2. All right, so there were three
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  previews. First one is Thomas and the
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  Magic Railroad, the Thomas the Tank Engine movie with Alec
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  Baldwin as Mr. Conductor. Was that?
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  Yeah, that one was the theatrical 1, correct.
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  Theatrical movie. Mara Wilson's last film as a
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  child actress and Jim Cummings narrates that trailer.
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  So great to hear him as always. And then the second one is the
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  Trumpet of the Swan. Animated movie like the EB White
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  novel. I didn't know that existed.
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  I have never. And I was a kid at this point.
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  Right. I've never heard of it outside
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  of this VHS team. It is like the only, but it
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  here's the thing. At the start, it says with the
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  voices of Jason Alexander, Reese Witherspoon, Mary Mary
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  Steenburgen, Seth Green with Carol Burnett and Joe Mantagna,
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  and music by Little Richard. So do you think that this is
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  like a grindhouse situation where they're like giving you
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  fake trailers with the hopes that maybe someday they'll make
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  real movies out of them? I mean, it might be.
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  I hope so. Does it mean a machete?
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  EB White's Trumpet of the Swan, we we like.
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  That's what they were hoping for.
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  That was their number one wish list.
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  This is this is like a real machete situation, right?
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  Or or. Or.
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  Hobo with a shotgun? Right.
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  Or Thanksgiving isn't that? Wasn't that one of them?
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  And. That's yeah.
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  Thanksgiving. Yeah, Yeah.
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  But it says it's. Wikipedia says it's directed by
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  Richard Rich, who directed the Swan Princess.
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  So he's just a swan boy. Wasn't Richard Rich the guy who
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  was? He had his family's fortune
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  hidden in the Mount Rushmore. Yes.
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  Yeah, Richard Rich had like a McDonald's inside his house.
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  He did. He had.
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  That's what. He did on McDonald's and.
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  His Butler doesn't know that the runs in baseball are called the
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  runs because he asked him how many points he scored.
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  That's the main thing I remember from the Richie Rich movie.
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  I think each of us just said the one thing we remember.
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  Well. I, I, I also remember that
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  Macaulay was getting old. So all the adults are like 6
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  foot five. It's John Larroquette, Edward
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  Herman, and they're all, they're all so tall.
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  What's the third trailer, Anthony?
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  The third trailer is the PBS cartoon Dragon Tales.
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  Great. There you go.
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  Yep. A Sesame Workshop joint?
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Connection to nothing with that we usually talk about on these
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  podcasts. Yeah, and and that's why Zach
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  and Weezy are just as important to the Henson legacy as Baron
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  the Big Blue House. Anyway, the point is, I have
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  mixed feelings about this holiday special, but honestly,
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  those mixed feelings are basically 90% positive.
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  And I think, and I've written about this on toughpigs.com, I
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  think the entire first half is perfect.
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  I think the entire first half is one of the best Muppet Christmas
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  things. I think it's very sweet, it's
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  very cute, it has a great message, the music is really
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  good, There's some good jokes in it.
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  I find the second-half. What makes the second-half not
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  perfect to me is that it is a lot worse than the first half.
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  Sure. Like I feel like I would like it
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  more if I didn't have the first half to compare it to.
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  Can you? Can you use better words to
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  explain what was not as good about it in your opinion?
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  You expect me to use better words?
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  Me, a writer and podcaster? You want me to describe
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  something? Yes, I liked it because it was
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  good. I didn't like that one because
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  it was less good. Look, I I already work in an
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  elementary school. OK, So I think my point is like,
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  I feel like, and what I wrote in this article on toughpigs.com is
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  that I feel like the first episode tells a complete story.
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  And I think the second episode adds a conclusion to that story
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  that you don't necessarily need and trades in a lot of the the
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  warmth and heart of the first half for a lot of silliness that
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  I don't think. Fits as well with the the, the
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  sort of vibes I would expect from a bear holiday special.
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  But also it's fun and all of my friends are there.
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  So I don't have a, you know, I don't think it's awful, but I
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  just feel like you can watch episode 325 on its own and it
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  would still be a really good Christmas special.
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  Whereas if you watched episode 326 on its own, it would be a
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  fine Christmas special. So I I kind of want to bounce
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  off that a little bit because the big thing that I took from
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  this two-part special is I was thinking about the way that the
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  whole thing wrapped up at the end and I'm jumping straight to
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  the end of this thing here. But when bears kind of giving
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  his summary of of what happened to Luna, he talks mostly about
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  like, oh, well, it's really great that there's all these
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  different types of animals that are in this house.
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  We can all get together. Wouldn't it be nice if we could
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  all end war with that concept in Fraggle rock style, You know,
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  and I was thinking that isn't what this was about at all.
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  And not that it's bad that he made that comment, but it made
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  me think, well, what was this about?
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  Well, OK, it was a little bit about a homeless dog.
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  It was a little bit about everyone who wants a presents
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  and doesn't know how to gift it gives something to bear.
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  And there's all these little subplots that none of them
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  really were like, fleshed out enough to make a whole story.
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  And The funny thing about that is like, I might be complaining
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  about that now, but it's the thing that I love most about
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  Muppet Family Christmas, which is a, as we all, I think would
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  agree, a perfect Christmas special.
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  It's the. It's the greatest thing The
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  Muppets have ever made. Yes, right.
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  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's certainly, I
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  think it. Goes for me, I think.
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  I think it goes, Elmo says Boo. Rats of the Lost Nebula.
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  Muppet Family Christmas. And then dragon tails.
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  You would you would Becca, I'm I'm going to remind you, you and
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  I wrote a review of the first 3 episodes of Brats of the Lost
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  Nebula and we both hated it. And you've never finished the
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  series. I sure haven't.
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  Like I mean. Y'all you got to do a podcast
• 22:12
  about that to finish it up anyway.
• 22:14
  I'm never watching. That show again.
• 22:15
  Yeah, don't do that. No one will listen to that.
• 22:16
  No one would listen to that now. But but, yeah, but my point
• 22:19
  really here is like, I felt like they didn't commit enough to any
• 22:24
  of these storylines to really get me, you know, like, really
• 22:29
  invested. And I think the storyline that
• 22:31
  did feel the most important, which is the one about the
• 22:34
  homeless dog, was wrapped up so quickly and in a way that, like,
• 22:38
  gotta do. I have questions, you know,
• 22:41
  like. Like I have so many questions
• 22:43
  about that homeless dog. But I feel.
• 22:45
  Like that's what I'm saying, because if you just look at
• 22:50
  episode 1, if you just look at the first half of this, it is a
• 22:56
  little more focused on the idea that the kids are being kind of
• 23:01
  selfish. They go to Santa Hog and I have
• 23:04
  so much to say about how much fun that Santa Hog sequence is,
• 23:08
  but they go to Santa Hog and Pip and Pop are like, we want 100
• 23:12
  clams. No 7 million clams, No 10.6
• 23:17
  billion clams or whatever it is they're saying.
• 23:19
  I loved that so much I can't even tell you.
• 23:22
  I had a big stupid grin on my face.
• 23:24
  That whole kettle. Thing.
• 23:25
  Like pip and pop? The kids are being selfish and
• 23:28
  then they meet shellfish, shellfish because they're asking
• 23:32
  for clams and Treelo is asking for but they the the kids are
• 23:39
  being selfish and then they meet someone who actually needs
• 23:43
  something like doesn't just want something, but like need
• 23:48
  something. They need Jack the dog.
• 23:50
  And it makes them realize how lucky they are to have each
• 23:54
  other and that the best thing that they can give someone is,
• 23:59
  you know, is a home, even temporarily.
• 24:03
  And I think that is a nice self-contained story that only
• 24:07
  becomes confusing when you start adding the other elements from
• 24:12
  the second episode. And I think that that's maybe
• 24:16
  once I I shook out my sillies, the more eloquent way of saying
• 24:20
  what I was trying to say before. Is it it really is.
• 24:24
  You know, I think by putting it just, you know, again, by just
• 24:30
  looking at the first half in a weird way, Disney Plus has given
• 24:34
  us a rare blessing because it does create a more cohesive
• 24:39
  thematic story in in that regard.
• 24:42
  And also, you don't have to figure out not to jump to the
• 24:45
  end, but you don't have to figure out what it means that
• 24:48
  Doctor Hogg has a dog house in his backyard.
• 24:53
  That's where he sleeps when Missus Hogg really gets angry at
• 24:57
  him. I mean pip and Pop live in a
• 24:59
  pond right? Like.
• 25:00
  Yeah, they do. This is fine.
• 25:02
  Some animals live outside and some animals live inside well.
• 25:05
  That's no, But I think, I think what Becca's saying is that Doc
• 25:08
  Hogg presumably lives in a house, but he has an unused
• 25:11
  doghouse. This is like for sale 1 doghouse
• 25:15
  never used, you know what I mean?
• 25:16
  Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, it also does raise a lot
• 25:19
  of questions. Found it in his backyard.
• 25:22
  How big is Doc Hog's backyard? I mean, it's not that it's big,
• 25:25
  it's just messy. It's a stye.
• 25:28
  That's a stye. That's.
• 25:29
  True, I'll accept it. So can as long as Anthony.
• 25:32
  I want to hear your thoughts overall though on Barry Bare
• 25:36
  Christmas. So as I said up front, I hear
• 25:40
  the songs from this like dozens of times every single year.
• 25:44
  So I think of this as a soundtrack like way more this is
• 25:49
  this is me. I mean, I've probably seen this
• 25:50
  5 or 6 times, but like, I don't watch it every year, you know?
• 25:54
  And so all of this, like my kids love the winter Berry because of
• 26:01
  the song. We have a big ornament that's
• 26:04
  like a big Raspberry looking thing.
• 26:06
  My kids call that the winter Berry.
• 26:08
  This was not something Roz and I invented.
• 26:10
  It was something the kids decided.
• 26:12
  Miles was running around yesterday, literally yesterday,
• 26:16
  carrying it. When we were decorating the tree
• 26:18
  yelling, I found the winter Berry.
• 26:21
  Wow, did you make a wish? No, because he doesn't know
• 26:24
  anything about that because it's not on the soundtrack like he's
• 26:27
  seen this. I'm sure they didn't watch it
• 26:29
  with me just now. You know, I watched it last
• 26:30
  night after they were in bed. And so to him, there's there's
• 26:34
  no pay off. There's no, like, the wish that
• 26:36
  they don't know that it ends with Jack the dog getting a
• 26:38
  house, you know? Sure.
• 26:40
  Yeah. So I think of this as more
• 26:43
  cohesive than Becca does, probably because I just think of
• 26:46
  it as 12 songs or, or whatever the amount is, you know, 10
• 26:48
  songs. And I'm watching it again.
• 26:51
  I certainly, I had, I had read your article not too long ago
• 26:54
  back and I certainly understand your point.
• 26:57
  But on the other hand, like for example, the, the the carols
• 27:01
  thing moment in this in which is in the second episode and I
• 27:05
  think is such a delight because it is just over a minute long.
• 27:10
  It is 64 seconds long and they do 5 songs.
• 27:15
  They pack in five weird little song parody Christmas carols,
• 27:19
  right O Come all ye otters eat some clams, whatever it is.
• 27:23
  And that's weird. Like it's a it's a strange thing
• 27:28
  for ATV show to do and it makes me so happy.
• 27:32
  But to me that's just one of those things.
• 27:33
  It's the same as the visit to Santa hog.
• 27:34
  It's all, it's all just part of the the episode, you know, So
• 27:38
  this. Is really making me like realize
• 27:40
  like more of the parallels between this month of family
• 27:42
  Christmas. I would love.
• 27:44
  Carol Sing I feel like I feel like this this is a this is a
• 27:46
  topic maybe we should we should turn into something else for the
• 27:48
  website. But but yeah, like, like, yeah,
• 27:52
  with all these different storylines and yeah.
• 27:55
  Do they both have extended Carol Sing characters?
• 27:59
  You have a familiar character, just as Santa Claus.
• 28:02
  Right. Which, by the way, Doc Hogs
• 28:05
  Santa Claus costume looks awesome.
• 28:08
  I think this is this is some of the best Doc Hog stuff as as
• 28:12
  Santa hog. He's so.
• 28:14
  So fun in that in that. I like him a lot.
• 28:17
  And you know, Anthony, I do want to be clear.
• 28:20
  Like, I'm not saying that I dislike the second episode.
• 28:23
  No again. No, no, no, no, you're, you're
• 28:25
  doing that thing that we all do. And when I say us, I mean like
• 28:28
  nerds where like you basically like a thing, but all you want
• 28:32
  to do is talk about the problems because it's bothering you that
• 28:34
  you don't love everything about it, right?
• 28:36
  Like I I do that all the time too.
• 28:37
  Like we all do, you know? But, and I've always said it's
• 28:40
  more fun to complain about something, so we do.
• 28:43
  Yeah. It's like, let's let's RIP it
• 28:44
  apart. Well, listen, the problem is
• 28:47
  that something is wrong with everything except the way I
• 28:51
  sing. If there's nothing wrong with
• 28:53
  me, there must be something wrong with the universe, all
• 28:57
  right? It's the children who are wrong.
• 29:02
  Though the other thing I wanted to say is we we're going to talk
• 29:05
  about Jack the dog, though we haven't said that it's Dave
• 29:08
  goals yet. Yeah.
• 29:09
  So. Yeah, which?
• 29:10
  Which, by the way, like using a voice I feel like I have never
• 29:13
  heard him do. Yeah, it's a, it's a new, new
• 29:15
  character, so. Incredible.
• 29:17
  It is. It is so it feels to me.
• 29:20
  And we were watching this, my spouse, former podcast guest Eli
• 29:26
  Lee, and my sister who will have to be on a Tough Pigs podcast
• 29:30
  eventually. We were just watching it
• 29:32
  together just before recording this, and Jack started talking
• 29:37
  and Eli turns to me and goes, well, that's someone, isn't it?
• 29:42
  Like that feels like someone important.
• 29:45
  And I was like, yeah, it's Dave Goles.
• 29:47
  It's gonzo. And what we realized is it's
• 29:51
  it's it's two things. First of all, the Dave Goles
• 29:53
  character it sounds the most like is the Elephant elevator
• 29:59
  operator from Sesame Street from a little before this on Sesame
• 30:04
  Street. But what it really is is it's
• 30:07
  Dave doing a Rolf impression. Oh yeah, yeah, I can see that.
• 30:12
  I can see that. It's like Dave's version of
• 30:14
  Rolf, if Dave was Rolf. It's a little bit gruff and laid
• 30:18
  back. Oh yeah, he says a lot of the
• 30:22
  house, I mean, and he makes a lot of the same.
• 30:24
  He has he has a joke about taking himself for a walk.
• 30:27
  I was just about to say he has a joke about taking himself for
• 30:30
  the walk. But I was going to say about
• 30:33
  Dave Bowles and being somebody important.
• 30:36
  A lot of time, like sitcoms do this all the time, right?
• 30:39
  They'll bring in like an old star of an old sitcom, right?
• 30:44
  Like Carroll O'Connor on Mad About You, or Carl Reiner on Mad
• 30:48
  About You, or Carol Burnett on Mad About You, right?
• 30:51
  I was. I was.
• 30:52
  Going to make the same joke about George and Leo.
• 30:58
  And you know, that's always exciting.
• 31:00
  And what I love about this is that this is absolutely the
• 31:03
  Muppet equivalent of that. Like this is this is all next
• 31:07
  generation performers, right? Nobody who worked on Barry the
• 31:10
  Baby Blue House worked on The Muppet Show.
• 31:12
  Nobody who worked on it worked on Fraggle Rock.
• 31:15
  And here's Dave Goals like a legend, one of the original 5
• 31:21
  Muppet Show performers showing up at the end of Season 3 to
• 31:26
  play a main guest character in the Christmas special.
• 31:30
  Yep. Yep, and it's it's what a
• 31:32
  delight. But the, the the asterisk in
• 31:35
  this is like for the key audience who wouldn't know?
• 31:40
  Like it's not even like, yeah, like not even like he's using
• 31:42
  like a bouncing honey do voice in a kit.
• 31:44
  Some kid at home is going to be like, that sounds familiar.
• 31:46
  It's like, like, even, you know, I'm mad about you.
• 31:49
  Someone might watch and be like, oh, that person kind of looks
• 31:51
  like someone from another show. Like, it gets you excited for
• 31:54
  some reason that you can't quite explain, but there's no reason
• 31:57
  except for nerds like us to go. That's Dave Goals.
• 32:00
  I think the reason is all these guys got to play with Dave.
• 32:03
  Goals for the Christmas special. Peter, Peter and Nolan,
• 32:06
  everybody, you know. Yeah.
• 32:08
  And I, I'm sure that was a thrill for for Dave and for
• 32:11
  them. But also, he had as, as Becca
• 32:14
  just mentioned, he'd been on Sesame Street a few years
• 32:16
  earlier. Dave is the only person who's in
• 32:19
  everything, you know. Oh, wow.
• 32:22
  He shows up for all the major Muppet.
• 32:24
  I mean, he's barely on Sesame Street, but like, he's in Elmo
• 32:26
  and Grouchland. And yeah, he did.
• 32:29
  Three whole Sesame Street things.
• 32:30
  That's enough to to get you on the list.
• 32:32
  Yeah, and now here he is in Bear the Big Blue House, because he's
• 32:34
  just a guy. He's in Dark Crystal Age of
• 32:36
  Resistance. Dave Bowles is a guy who shows
• 32:39
  up, you know? So so.
• 32:42
  Didn't see Frank Oz. Frank Oz was playing a Turkey in
• 32:47
  the Thanksgiving episode of Baron the Big Blue House.
• 32:50
  Now did ya? You.
• 32:51
  You. Didn't see Frank Oz on Fraggle
• 32:52
  Rock? Well, no, that's true.
• 32:54
  You know, You know. Like, wow.
• 32:58
  Oh, no. I had a thought and I think I
• 32:59
  lost it. Oh, my God.
• 33:00
  You're gonna have to edit this out now.
• 33:02
  Well, hi, Becca. In the future editing this
• 33:05
  episode. Oh, darn.
• 33:08
  I think I lost it. It was about Dave, though.
• 33:10
  Yeah, I was talking about Dave. I keep, I keep slouching and
• 33:13
  looking down because Rizzo's hand fell off and I'm trying to
• 33:16
  find oh. I was wondering what you were
• 33:17
  doing down there. Yeah, I'm sorry, Do you?
• 33:19
  Want to take a second to look for it?
• 33:20
  No, it's OK while. I think about what I was going
• 33:22
  to say about Dave goals. Well, I mean, if you're thinking
• 33:24
  then. I'll yeah, give me a second.
• 33:25
  I found it. Sure.
• 33:27
  It was very pithy, very interesting.
• 33:29
  Should probably. Do that back on talking.
• 33:31
  About him being and everything, talking and making a cameo
• 33:34
  appearance. Oh, I know what I was going to
• 33:38
  say. So remind me what year we think
• 33:43
  this was filmed in this episode 'cause I.
• 33:45
  Can I can literally tell you what year it was filmed in?
• 33:48
  It aired December 6th, 1999, so it definitely was filmed in 99.
• 33:55
  OK, so that kind of screws with my theory, But I was thinking
• 33:59
  about like, what were The Muppets doing at this point?
• 34:02
  Because Muppets tonight's was off the air.
• 34:05
  You know, I didn't know, like, where this kind of lands around
• 34:07
  Muppets from space, but it was very possible that they were
• 34:09
  just like, look, we know that The Muppets aren't doing
• 34:12
  anything. Dave doesn't work on Sesame
• 34:14
  Street. Like, he's probably just sitting
• 34:16
  at home and twiddling his thumbs.
• 34:17
  What if we just hired him? What if he just showed up and
• 34:21
  then, like, he does? Because, you know, if The
• 34:23
  Muppets aren't working, then Dave probably isn't working
• 34:26
  either. Right, right.
• 34:29
  But I no, you're right also as like, I don't know what I'm
• 34:36
  trying to say. I'm trying to segue into the
• 34:38
  topic of Jack the dog being a homeless dog, an unhoused dog.
• 34:44
  And I think that that's like a pretty heavy topic for the Bear
• 34:50
  in the Big Blue House Christmas special to tackle.
• 34:53
  And I think they handle it pretty well.
• 34:55
  I think they handle it really well.
• 34:57
  I mean, considering especially because it's not right.
• 35:01
  Well, obviously it's not going to be the most nuanced thing in
• 35:04
  the world, but I think it is very considering the show.
• 35:09
  The thing that really impressed me with the way they handled
• 35:12
  this is any other kids show would have had the character,
• 35:17
  the on house character coming on being like, oh, woe is me.
• 35:20
  And like, oh, I just, you know, if I could just get a home and,
• 35:24
  and like maybe they have a bindle and it would be very
• 35:27
  like, this is totally what people are like.
• 35:29
  Like Tutter. Tutter has a bindle.
• 35:31
  Oh tutter in his in his fan. Of his imagination.
• 35:34
  Big Blue House song, Yeah. Yes, yeah, exactly.
• 35:39
  But but for Jack, like he's like, no, no, no, I'm fine.
• 35:43
  No, no, no, I don't need anything.
• 35:44
  No, no, don't worry about me. And like, I feel like that's so
• 35:47
  much more realistic and like, yeah, it still tugs at your
• 35:52
  heartstrings, but it's not manipulative.
• 35:54
  I don't know. I just like it felt really fresh
• 35:58
  and and well thought out. And I feel like, I feel like
• 36:04
  also in today's society, not that this necessarily would be
• 36:08
  done on a kid show, but in today's society, I feel like
• 36:11
  it's so easy to vilify the unhoused population.
• 36:16
  And you see a lot of politicians doing that and stuff.
• 36:20
  And there's no sense that it's like Jack's fault, or even that
• 36:28
  necessarily. It was like, yes, sometimes this
• 36:30
  happens and Tutter's like it's not fair and Bear's like it
• 36:35
  isn't fair. Right.
• 36:37
  And Bear, they, they make, they go out of their way to give bear
• 36:39
  the line. They're still the same as you or
• 36:42
  me, you know, Which I think is great.
• 36:45
  Now, like, another interesting thing about this whole sequence
• 36:49
  is that moment right before Doc Hog shows up where Bear is just
• 36:54
  about to invite, like, another animal into his home
• 36:58
  permanently. And like, I know, yeah, like the
• 37:01
  otters and Ojo, like, they have their own homes or whatever, but
• 37:05
  they really don't. They they all everyone lives at
• 37:06
  the Blue House, let's be honest. And, like Bear, is their
• 37:09
  caretaker. Oh, absolutely, 100%.
• 37:12
  Yeah, yeah. And like Bear was about to be
• 37:14
  like another mouth to feed, OK, but you got to do it.
• 37:16
  And like he, he was willing to do it, which is very Bear, you
• 37:19
  know, Bear. Bear wouldn't, wouldn't think
• 37:21
  twice. And like I do, I find that
• 37:23
  really interesting that like it wasn't just like, oh Gee whiz,
• 37:25
  what are we going to do? Hope for a miracle?
• 37:27
  Good luck, buddy. Because like again, any other
• 37:29
  kid show would have done that. Yeah, right.
• 37:33
  He yeah. I don't know.
• 37:36
  It's just very, it's very well handled.
• 37:39
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 37:39
  I got nothing to add, but I I agree.
• 37:41
  I already said it. No.
• 37:42
  I think it's really good and, and again, I think it's also
• 37:45
  bold of them to tackle, tackle this in a Christmas episode.
• 37:50
  You know what I mean? Like I, I really, I really
• 37:54
  admire them for doing that. I agree, and let's see, we
• 38:01
  should probably. Can we talk about you mentioned
• 38:04
  Tutter's little newsboy cap and his his fantasy?
• 38:08
  His winter outfit is so cute. He's got the little Plaid scarf
• 38:12
  and hat and it's not like a winter hat.
• 38:15
  It's like it's like also like a newsboy hat.
• 38:17
  Maybe it's the same 1. I don't know.
• 38:18
  I couldn't tell because the fantasy is in black and white.
• 38:21
  But like, I think it's adorable and I just like Tutter and
• 38:25
  talking about Tutter. Muppets in winter wear Muppets
• 38:28
  in winter wear always goes. And you know what else is cute?
• 38:31
  You know what else is cute in this that we don't see as often?
• 38:34
  There's a scene where they're all sitting at the table
• 38:36
  drinking hot cocoa and they all have their little mugs glued to
• 38:39
  their hand. And that is so cute.
• 38:42
  Oh, Speaking of that, let's talk about this.
• 38:45
  When Pip and Pop find the winterberry and they climb on
• 38:49
  Jack's back and they grab it, how did they grab the
• 38:53
  winterberry? Like their arms aren't even arm
• 38:55
  rodded, you know, like they're just like wiggly pieces of felt.
• 38:59
  And yeah, it's whichever one's on top.
• 39:00
  I don't know if it's Pip or Pop. Like literally like grabs the
• 39:03
  Berry. And I don't know how they did
• 39:05
  that. And I have to assume that
• 39:06
  they're alive. Pip and Pop are alive, yeah.
• 39:10
  Yeah, OK. Well, you answered my question.
• 39:13
  Thank you. Now we we talked about Jack's
• 39:19
  homelessness being well handled, but can I ask you both the
• 39:21
  question and feel free to tell me that this is an inappropriate
• 39:25
  question, but I have wondered it for 25 years.
• 39:29
  I'm ready. I'm do they give do they give
• 39:32
  Shadow the Kwanzaa song because she's black?
• 39:35
  OK, so Joe, this is this is what we were talking about before and
• 39:40
  Anthony, this is the surprise shadow twist on Disney Plus.
• 39:48
  There is no shadow segment in Episode 325.
• 39:53
  Really interesting. Now here's the real question.
• 39:57
  Did they cut it because shadow is black?
• 40:00
  So by what I can find on Muppet Wiki, it seems that a shorter
• 40:06
  version of this episode aired on on Playhouse Disney at one point
• 40:13
  to fit into the regular time slot and they needed to cut down
• 40:20
  some things for time. And the thing that they cut was
• 40:26
  Bear hanging up the reindeer wreath that the kids make.
• 40:30
  Which what a great scene where Pip and Pop are like.
• 40:32
  We're going to put some tennis balls on this wreath in case the
• 40:35
  reindeer want to have fun. Yeah, that's me.
• 40:38
  I love they won't play reindeer games.
• 40:40
  Yeah, sure. Watch the movie Reindeer Games.
• 40:43
  But I love it. It also cuts the Kwanzaa song
• 40:48
  completely. So Joe has never seen or heard
• 40:53
  the Kwanzaa song because I didn't realize what I was
• 40:57
  missing. I vaguely remembered there being
• 41:00
  a Kwanzaa song but. So it's it's it's on that
• 41:03
  soundtrack, you know, so I, so I hear it every time both of them.
• 41:06
  She get in the second part, she gets the dreidel song too.
• 41:09
  Yeah, she gets the dreidel song, which.
• 41:11
  Also, yeah, OK, so I, I, I've mentioned this on podcast
• 41:14
  before. I grew up Jewish.
• 41:15
  I had a Jewish upbringing. I have never in my life heard
• 41:18
  the second verse of the Dreidel song.
• 41:21
  Wait, which second verse? So there's like I had a little
• 41:24
  dreidel made out of clay. There's that that one that.
• 41:26
  Everyone has a lovely body with legs so short and thin you've
• 41:30
  never heard that before. Never in my life have I heard
• 41:34
  that. Oh, they do that.
• 41:35
  The Bare Naked ladies do that on Bare Naked for the holidays.
• 41:39
  Well, I guess they're more Jewish than me.
• 41:40
  And as as you know, Anthony, I told you the story.
• 41:43
  I met one of the bare naked ladies at my Jewish summer camp.
• 41:46
  And it was Steven Page, I imagine.
• 41:49
  I probably I don't know which one's which.
• 41:50
  Sure it's. It's the they call him the fat
• 41:53
  one, but he lost a bunch of weight like 20 years ago.
• 41:56
  Whatever it was they were, they were both there.
• 41:58
  I only met one of them but they were both there at my like they
• 42:01
  did a little. It's the one who does it.
• 42:03
  It's been one week since it's that guy.
• 42:05
  OK, I I. Was not not not the guy who does
• 42:09
  hold. They could just see the hood
• 42:10
  when they can stop thinking. I was probably 11 or 12 years
• 42:12
  old, I really don't remember. OK, Hey, well, Joe, I want to
• 42:15
  show you something. I want to show you something.
• 42:18
  All right, show me something, Anthony, on a podcast.
• 42:20
  Not this. Wait, this is a commercial.
• 42:23
  Wait a SEC. I'm going to love editing this.
• 42:26
  I'm going to love editing all of this talk about which Barenaked
• 42:30
  lady from the band Barenaked Ladies.
• 42:34
  You knew who you invited. I did.
• 42:40
  It's OK. I do this.
• 42:40
  I do this to you when I'm on your show, so it's only fair.
• 42:43
  It's true. Well, you do it to Ryan because
• 42:45
  Ryan. That's where Ryan is the editor.
• 42:50
  Yeah. All right, Joe, I want to show
• 42:52
  you something. It's.
• 42:53
  Lovely, yes? Show me something.
• 43:00
  So there's one thing that's missing from that song, and
• 43:04
  that's the voice of Peter Lin's interrupting between every line
• 43:08
  to say something. It's it's true.
• 43:10
  And he does. In the episode he does.
• 43:11
  Does. He does.
• 43:13
  Yeah, yeah. Why turn it like Wanza?
• 43:19
  I don't remember, Yeah, I don't remember what it is because I'm
• 43:21
  so used to the soundtrack version.
• 43:23
  But but with the one that I love on that album that he do, they
• 43:26
  do leave him in, is the what do shadows do on Halloween?
• 43:30
  And in that one, there's a part where it's like tell stores by a
• 43:34
  campfire light. And then Peter Lynn says there
• 43:37
  once was a scarecrow who was the greatest scarecrow of all time.
• 43:41
  And this is like a thing that I annoy my kids by saying often.
• 43:47
  Like when they asked for a story at bedtime.
• 43:48
  No the. Ones was a.
• 43:49
  Scarecrow. Like when we were at the pumpkin
• 43:51
  patch and we saw a scarecrow. They'll be like there once was a
• 43:53
  scarecrow and Miles will just be like, it's not that one.
• 43:56
  He's not. The greatest.
• 44:00
  So listen, if we bring this show back next year for Halloween and
• 44:04
  Thanksgiving, we'll we'll watch that one and we'll watch the
• 44:07
  Thanksgiving episode, which features the greatest song about
• 44:13
  pilgrims ever recorded. Wow, High bar about songs about
• 44:17
  pilgrims. You know, I have a lot of
• 44:19
  favorites. But I think what's interesting
• 44:25
  about the Kwanzaa song is they definitely make it like Kwanzaa
• 44:29
  and Hanukkah are things that have to be taught, whereas
• 44:33
  Christmas is something everything everybody knows and I
• 44:38
  don't know. I mean, Bear also mentions
• 44:40
  Hanukkah and Kwanzaa in his introduction.
• 44:43
  Right. And which is a great song, I
• 44:44
  think a holiday for everyone. I love that.
• 44:47
  Yes, yes, yes, I think that's a great song too.
• 44:51
  And I don't know, I guess it's fine.
• 44:53
  I know you're also just doing a joke, but like, it definitely
• 44:57
  feels like, and Mary and I mean, and happy Hanukkah to you, Mr.
• 45:03
  Hooper, where it's like, we need to throw this in here.
• 45:06
  We know it's the right thing to do.
• 45:09
  But the thing that makes it better in this case is it's not
• 45:13
  just one reference. Like I, I feel like, and then,
• 45:16
  you know, we, we obviously make the Happy Hanukkah Mr. Hooper
• 45:18
  joke a lot because it's such a throwaway.
• 45:21
  But you know, even, you know, later things like I the first
• 45:24
  thing that came to mind was I think it's Elmo's World, Happy
• 45:29
  Holidays. Maybe that's like, OK, let's
• 45:32
  cutaway to baby bear and his family.
• 45:34
  OK, we're going to talk about the so there's a cutaway to just
• 45:38
  that one scene of baby bear teaching telly how to spin the
• 45:41
  dreidel and whatever. And it's like, OK, so they got
• 45:43
  their whole the whole segment, like it's more than just a happy
• 45:45
  holidays Mr. Hooper moment, but it's just one.
• 45:49
  And at least here in the bear special is we've got the song,
• 45:53
  we have the the reference at the beginning.
• 45:54
  I feel like there's one of the reference that maybe I I thought
• 45:57
  of and and missed by the way, I don't, I don't recall it off the
• 46:00
  top of my head, but it feels like like Hanukkah is present
• 46:03
  throughout this special, even if it's not about Hanukkah, the.
• 46:05
  Other. The other reference is that
• 46:08
  there are a lot of presents that are wrapped in Hanukkah wrapping
• 46:12
  paper. And there's one scene where
• 46:14
  Tutter is standing under a menorah.
• 46:17
  Which Joe leads me to my question for you as a fellow, as
• 46:22
  a fellow person who was raised Jewish, who are those Hanukkah
• 46:27
  wrapped presents for? Well.
• 46:32
  Which of Bear's friends, which of Bear's friends are Jewish?
• 46:37
  And I've got, I've got some theories that some of which you
• 46:41
  can't answer. I have one that I'm almost
• 46:43
  confident you can't answer, but I'm confident I'm right.
• 46:47
  But I'm curious about any of the any of your thoughts.
• 46:50
  Anthony, you can't participate. In this, no, I understand.
• 46:54
  So well, here's my first thought is bear probably just got the
• 46:57
  cheapest wrapping paper because he's a bear on a budget.
• 47:01
  And the the the other animals in the house are not they don't
• 47:04
  care. They're just ripping up the
• 47:05
  paper. They don't care what's on it.
• 47:08
  But if we're are we talking about like the all the
• 47:10
  characters I've met so far? Or are we saying just the
• 47:13
  characters? In the big they're all, they're
• 47:15
  all there. OK, well I guess Jeremiah is not
• 47:19
  in this. Jeremiah is not this.
• 47:22
  I would say Tutter is is the most Jewish coded coded of any
• 47:27
  of them because he is neurotic. Yes, that was that was that was
• 47:31
  something that that Ali and Eli were talking about because
• 47:36
  Tutter is neurotic. And also there was that joke on
• 47:39
  Twitter about how all blue Muppets are Jewish a while ago
• 47:45
  and Tutter is blue. But I mean, I think the obvious
• 47:50
  answer that Joe can't answer is that it's it's Harry the Duck
• 47:55
  who is there but doesn't have a speaking line.
• 47:59
  But he and his grandma are are in that scene in the opening
• 48:04
  theme song, alongside Pip and Pop's grandparents Etta and
• 48:09
  Otto, and Pip and Pop's cousin Talley I.
• 48:16
  Look forward to meeting this Jewish duck.
• 48:19
  But it's delicious. So Harry is voiced by is voiced.
• 48:23
  Harry is performed by Eric Jacobson, an early Eric Jacobson
• 48:28
  role. And and one of his few original
• 48:31
  characters he's never gotten to play in his career like
• 48:35
  prominently. Which which by the way, not to
• 48:37
  segue this, but Speaking of original Eric Jacobson
• 48:41
  characters, the the mole that he played in one episode of
• 48:45
  Muppets. Now that puppet was in that
• 48:48
  opening sequence in in this special.
• 48:51
  Yep, that's true. Awesome, had to tie that that
• 48:55
  little bow but. I know, and I completely forgot
• 48:59
  about Muppets now. Yep, as well you should.
• 49:03
  I can remember every episode of Bear in the Big Blue House, but
• 49:07
  if you ask me anything that happened in Muppets now, I would
• 49:10
  say Pepe was there. We got to know the mole.
• 49:14
  The mole is the best part. But Harry has a grandmother who
• 49:21
  we see, who speaks with a thick Russian accent and has like
• 49:26
  traditional Russian clothing on. And I think that it means that
• 49:31
  Harry is Jewish. So I think all of those presents
• 49:34
  are for Harry. I'm going to throw one more out
• 49:37
  there. One more possibility.
• 49:39
  Is Treelo speaking Yiddish? Is that what that is?
• 49:46
  I. Think that's it.
• 49:50
  I think Treelo is Jewish. Let's leave the silence in the
• 50:02
  podcast. Just kidding.
• 50:05
  Joe, did you notice we mentioned briefly, we mentioned briefly in
• 50:09
  our last episode that you'd be seeing Dikembe, the gems, Spock
• 50:14
  during the Santa Hog number. Your favorite?
• 50:18
  Next to the reindeer there is also an antelope in one scene
• 50:23
  who is only in one of the choruses and isn't there in the
• 50:27
  other one. I don't know why there is an
• 50:30
  antelope in one chorus but not the second chorus.
• 50:37
  I didn't even know that's what a What's the name of the animal?
• 50:42
  A Gemsbach, it's a titles. Antelope, it's a titles.
• 50:45
  I mean sounds. Like you work for the COM.
• 50:48
  Books kid like me. I absolutely was not a Zoo Books
• 50:51
  kid. I love the commercials.
• 50:54
  But yes, I could not have if you could have paid me money, and I
• 50:57
  would not have been able to tell you what that thing was or
• 50:59
  whether or not it appeared in puppet form on this television
• 51:03
  program. Yeah, well, we'll have to do a
• 51:05
  Jim Henson's The Animal Show with Stinky and Jake, a podcast
• 51:10
  at one point. Gladly.
• 51:11
  Gladly. A show where Dave Goals played
• 51:14
  one of the leagues because he's in true.
• 51:17
  And Dave Goals was one of the puppets also.
• 51:21
  True. That's true.
• 51:27
  You guys know what? You know what?
• 51:28
  Hey, go ahead. It's your it's your show.
• 51:31
  No. No, no, Anthony, I want to hear
• 51:32
  what you have to say. You're the guest.
• 51:33
  Everybody gets to hear me all the time.
• 51:37
  Yeah. Was they going to say there was
• 51:40
  another? Now I've now I've forgotten.
• 51:42
  Oh, so in the second episode, another thing that I really like
• 51:45
  in this is the sequence where they all get their presents in
• 51:50
  the second app and open pop get a robot clam from Mars.
• 51:56
  Are we just going to ignore that?
• 51:58
  I love the fact that they're just like, OK, there's no thank
• 52:03
  you, There's no like, wow, what a great gift.
• 52:06
  They're just like robot clam from Mars.
• 52:09
  OK, that's. Fine, and then and then Tutter.
• 52:13
  We wanted real clam. Tutter gets a book.
• 52:16
  They did. They want to eat them.
• 52:17
  They can't eat that. They open up their present and
• 52:20
  say you can't eat this and throw it at bear.
• 52:24
  Right. And then Tutter gets a book
• 52:25
  about cheese and he can't eat that.
• 52:28
  He can't. He's a nerd, but also which is.
• 52:33
  Interesting because there's one episode earlier I think in
• 52:37
  season 2 where it's revealed that Tutter hates books.
• 52:42
  Yeah, but he probably learns to appreciate him by the end.
• 52:44
  Yeah, he does, because sometimes books are about cheese.
• 52:47
  So I guess I proved myself wrong.
• 52:50
  It's called continuity. Really heard of it?
• 52:54
  I should have. My wife Roz has a book called
• 53:01
  the World Cheese Book, and every time we buy a new kind of
• 53:05
  cheese, we look it up in the book to see if it's in there.
• 53:09
  So Tutter and my wife are the same person.
• 53:14
  Obviously. Is this also the scene where
• 53:18
  Tutter is? I'm sorry, I'm going to get this
• 53:20
  wrong. Like Tutter, is he reading his
• 53:22
  book? And someone was like, you sure
• 53:24
  know a lot about cheese. And he's like, I dabble.
• 53:26
  Yeah, it's it's, it's Ojo. It's him and Ojo are looking at
• 53:29
  the book. It's great.
• 53:31
  Yeah, I love that that like that I dabble.
• 53:33
  What a great line. It's it's delivered so well, I
• 53:36
  still think. I still think I like Ojo more
• 53:39
  when she's with Tutter because I think Ojo and Tutter as foils
• 53:45
  for each other makes me appreciate Ojo a little more
• 53:49
  because I do agree with Joe from the first episode that Ojo is
• 53:53
  almost a little too normal compared to a lot of the other
• 53:56
  characters on the show. Well, I think that's in the
• 54:00
  first episode you talked about how Joe talked about how often a
• 54:03
  character will just be like a kid.
• 54:06
  But I think that that is more of a problem in a show like this
• 54:11
  where she's the smurfed right where she's she's the girl one.
• 54:15
  Everyone else is a boy and they get distinctive personalities
• 54:19
  and even like, I don't know if you've gotten into this, the The
• 54:23
  Boys Will be Boys song and the You Go Girl song.
• 54:25
  We have not gotten to. I wanted to watch those two
• 54:28
  episodes. They were actually on my
• 54:30
  original draft. There's a boys will be boys and
• 54:33
  girls will be girls episodes, right?
• 54:35
  Two parter. And in so those are both on that
• 54:38
  first soundtrack album that you mentioned.
• 54:41
  So I hear, I've heard those a million times and the boys will
• 54:43
  be boys song is like playing in the mud, getting dirty, swinging
• 54:47
  umbrellas around or whatever and and the swinging.
• 54:51
  Umbrellas around. There's.
• 54:52
  Some lighting in the rain. There's some light about
• 54:55
  umbrellas, isn't there, Becca? Hold on.
• 54:58
  Am I misremembering? Yeah, well, there is, but.
• 55:02
  It's they ride it with with the. Fellas hang, Pip goes oh, excuse
• 55:06
  me, Pop goes, one of them goes hanging out with a bunch of
• 55:11
  fellas, and then everybody on the the the whole the cast sings
• 55:16
  in unison in a storm with no umbrellas.
• 55:19
  Boys, boys. That's what it is.
• 55:23
  But so that's all about like running outside, scuffing up
• 55:26
  your knees, picking your nose, and then they don't say picking
• 55:29
  nose and they don't say Mount Picanos.
• 55:32
  And then and then the Ojo one, the you go girl song is just
• 55:37
  like you go Ojo. You can do whatever you want.
• 55:41
  Girls can be whoever they want. And that's the that's the
• 55:44
  premise of the song. She's singing the song by
• 55:46
  herself. No, it's like, it's like bear
• 55:48
  being like, you go girl, yeah, you go Ojo, be the girl you want
• 55:52
  to be and do what you want to, right?
• 55:55
  But so it's just like boys do specific things and girls can
• 55:59
  contain multitudes, you know, Cuz she's she needs to be the
• 56:02
  only one. It's it's interesting.
• 56:05
  It and that's not a well meaning show, you know, like for sure.
• 56:09
  It absolutely is interesting and we'll talk about that if we do a
• 56:13
  Season 2, if people like this and we do a Season 2 and
• 56:17
  response has been good so far, so maybe we'll do a Season 2.
• 56:21
  I'd love to talk about those episodes because there's also a
• 56:24
  very notable cameo in in the Boys Will be Boys episode.
• 56:30
  Is it Dave? Goals.
• 56:31
  No, a cameo of an old puppet. Isn't the Dave goals?
• 56:36
  Dave the Hewitt. No, I don't want to spoil it for
• 56:41
  Joe, No. No, don't spoil it.
• 56:42
  Don't spoil it. I don't want to know.
• 56:43
  I don't. Want to know another thing?
• 56:44
  I meant to bring up the Doc Hog sequence.
• 56:48
  We talked about the Santa Hog, but you, I feel like you know
• 56:52
  better than me, Becca, is that the first time we ever leave the
• 56:56
  grounds of the Big Blue House to go to Woodland Valley Mall to
• 57:00
  see Doc Santa Hog? It's not the first time because
• 57:02
  we go to Doc Hog's doctor's office at OH.
• 57:06
  Sure. Of course.
• 57:07
  Yeah, yeah. At least once.
• 57:09
  But it is one of and it is a harbinger of how one episode
• 57:14
  from now or two episodes from now, we will be in Season 4,
• 57:19
  Becca's least favorite season of Bear in the Big Blue House that
• 57:23
  I. It's the around the corner
• 57:25
  season. Yeah, I still haven't watched
• 57:27
  every episode from season 4 again.
• 57:29
  I know this show like the back of my hand.
• 57:31
  I know this show like the back of Charles Dickens hand.
• 57:35
  But I truly do not know season 4.
• 57:38
  Wait, let me. No, go ahead, Go ahead.
• 57:41
  I lose interest in it when it becomes less self-contained.
• 57:47
  Yeah, it's, it's interesting. It's really, I mean, I sit
• 57:50
  around the corner. But Joe, this one's for you.
• 57:53
  It's the Goliath Chronicles of. Excuse me, Anthony.
• 57:57
  Anthony, I rewatched Gargoyles last year.
• 58:01
  Radical. And I gave up about 3/4 of the
• 58:05
  way through the Goliath Chronicles because I was like, I
• 58:09
  am not enjoying this new direction the show is taking.
• 58:14
  Yeah, yeah. And it's the same, right?
• 58:15
  It's like it's basically the same show, but it just doesn't
• 58:18
  feel right. OK, but like, what if what if
• 58:20
  Lexington lived in the Big Blue house?
• 58:22
  What would that be like that? 'D be cool.
• 58:25
  I think he doesn't. His name is Benny the Bat and
• 58:28
  he's got a song that goes Anthony.
• 58:31
  I'm Benny the Bat, and I like it like that.
• 58:34
  Or something to cool. You see, bats are cool.
• 58:38
  They're nobody's fool. I remember that one.
• 58:43
  No, guys, what if Bronx? What if Bronx didn't have a
• 58:47
  house that he moved into the dark hog?
• 58:49
  Do we have anything else to say about these Christmas episodes,
• 58:53
  or do we just have to talk about the Goliath Chronicles?
• 58:58
  I think I said everything important, you know.
• 59:01
  You know I own the Gargoyles board game.
• 59:04
  So do I. Me and Joe almost played it last
• 59:07
  time we was over here. So I had.
• 59:09
  We had planned on it, we didn't get around to it.
• 59:10
  I had a bunch of friends over to play the Gargoyles board game
• 59:14
  over the summer, actually, and let me tell you something, I
• 59:20
  didn't enjoy it. It looked.
• 59:22
  It seems way too complicated. That's not even the problem.
• 59:27
  Because I eat complicated board games for breakfast.
• 59:30
  Sure. It's just complicated with very
• 59:33
  little payoff. Sure.
• 59:36
  But any other thoughts on these Christmas episodes of Bear in
• 59:42
  the Big Blue House? I've I look I'm.
• 59:47
  Good. No, go ahead, Anthony.
• 59:49
  Of one, which is that I really enjoy that they all want more
• 59:53
  eggnog. When Bear says, guess what time
• 59:56
  it is? Is that a?
• 59:57
  Reference like are they drinking?
• 59:58
  Are they date drinking? Well, I think they're you don't.
• 1:00:02
  Eggnog doesn't need to have booze added to it.
• 1:00:03
  You buy. No, I I know that and that's
• 1:00:05
  that's why it passed the sensors.
• 1:00:07
  But is that actually, do you think that's a reference?
• 1:00:09
  I do not like more eggnog. I I I do not think Tutter and
• 1:00:14
  Ojo are secretly drinking eggnog with rummy, no.
• 1:00:18
  I guess what I'm really asking is, is Mitchell Kriedman like,
• 1:00:21
  hey, let's, let's slip in a little reference in there, a
• 1:00:23
  little joke in. There for the yeah, maybe, yeah,
• 1:00:24
  maybe, yeah, yeah. Right.
• 1:00:26
  I mean, listen, listen, Mitchell.
• 1:00:28
  Mitchell Kriegman is quite a wild card.
• 1:00:31
  Hey, and you know what? It's fine.
• 1:00:32
  It's, it's not, I'm not saying it's an inappropriate joke.
• 1:00:34
  I'm just curious if it's that was the intention.
• 1:00:37
  Sure, Mitchell, if you're listening.
• 1:00:40
  It's fine. It's fine, Mitchell.
• 1:00:42
  It's fine. Yeah, don't, don't, don't sweat
• 1:00:44
  about it. So.
• 1:00:47
  I want to thank both of you for for being on this episode.
• 1:00:51
  I want to thank Joe especially for coming with me on this weird
• 1:00:55
  and wild journey through Bear in the Big Blue House.
• 1:00:59
  Joe, now that you've watched, now that you have watched 11
• 1:01:04
  episodes of Bear in the Big Blue House, plus the unaired pilot,
• 1:01:09
  what are you thinking? So, yeah, I've been putting a
• 1:01:12
  lot of thought into this because it's so exciting for me to get
• 1:01:17
  to watch like essentially what is a Muppet program that I've
• 1:01:21
  never seen before because it's so rare for people like us.
• 1:01:23
  So we've seen everything and to get to like dive into something
• 1:01:26
  new at this point in my career as a Muppet Blogger, it's just
• 1:01:32
  such a joy for the quality of the show.
• 1:01:35
  I think it's great. I think it's, it's fun.
• 1:01:38
  I'm invested in the characters. I think like I get the way it's
• 1:01:42
  written. I think it works for what
• 1:01:43
  they're going for. The music is great.
• 1:01:45
  I can go on and on about what I love about it.
• 1:01:48
  The one thing that's kind of giving me a little bit of a
• 1:01:52
  pause, I guess, is because of the intended demographic and it
• 1:01:58
  doesn't have that. I mean, we talked a little bit
• 1:02:00
  about this in the first episode, but like, because it doesn't
• 1:02:03
  have that a second layer to, you know, to make it overly
• 1:02:08
  enjoyable for adults. It doesn't feel like the kind of
• 1:02:11
  show that I just want to have on in the background to to watch,
• 1:02:14
  you know, to catch up on to say that I've watched every episode
• 1:02:17
  of Bear. I'm very happy that I've been
• 1:02:19
  introduced to the world of Bear, but I don't think I need to
• 1:02:22
  watch 96 episodes 100. That's how many.
• 1:02:25
  Episodes are whoa one. 117. Almost as many.
• 1:02:30
  Almost as many as The Muppet Show.
• 1:02:32
  And if you count Breakfast with Bear more.
• 1:02:36
  Canonical. It's non canonical.
• 1:02:38
  But if you're counting breakfast with Bear, then you're counting
• 1:02:41
  Muppets tonight. OK, fair.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah. Right, right.
• 1:02:45
  That's what I always say. What I do think that this, I
• 1:02:54
  said this to Joe earlier today. This to me feels like out of
• 1:02:58
  everything post Jim, Jim's death, this has the closest to
• 1:03:02
  being like the classic Muppet fee.
• 1:03:04
  Like it's a group of characters I love seeing, you know, they
• 1:03:08
  just, they're, they're just fun to watch exist in a way that the
• 1:03:12
  Sesame and Muppet Chew and Fraggle Rock characters are, and
• 1:03:15
  in a way that like, Stinky and Jake are not or the Hoobs are
• 1:03:19
  not or or whatever, like you're laughing, but because you know,
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  it's true. I'm also laughing because I've
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  never seen an episode of the Hoobs.
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  I I'm like, I don't know, I assume you're right.
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  Anthony Anthony I agree completely.
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  And I think if there's post Jim Henson projects that evoke
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  family, I think that this is this is definitely at the top
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  tide with Bratz of the lost nebula.
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  Does that have been Tripoli your.
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  Family, family. But no, I agree.
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  I mean, again, I love this show so much and it's always a
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  pleasure to talk about it with anybody, especially with my
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  Tough Pigs friends and especially with you guys at
• 1:04:05
  home. And again, I hope everybody has
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  a very, very happy holiday. Whatever holiday you celebrate,
• 1:04:14
  make sure to to to take care of each other.
• 1:04:17
  You know, the message of the Bear in the Big Blue House
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  holiday special is important, especially this time of year.
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  See if there's any way you can help out people in your
• 1:04:25
  community. I would also, sorry, I would
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  also love to just I want to thank everybody one more time
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  for joining us for this miniseries.
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  It was a a blast. Thank you backup for for hosting
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  this thing and for introducing me to the world of the Big Blue
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  house. I would love to hear from
• 1:04:45
  everybody what they thought of this and what and if we were to
• 1:04:47
  do more episodes of this podcast, what they'd love to
• 1:04:50
  hear us talk about episodes they want us to cover special guests.
• 1:04:54
  They'd love us for us to bring in.
• 1:04:56
  And I want to remind you because you're listening to this podcast
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  on the Muppet Fan Podcast with thetoughpigs.com channel, that
• 1:05:04
  means that there's going to be another podcast coming on this
• 1:05:07
  channel very soon. So I hope that you will
• 1:05:09
  subscribe and listen to whatever it is that's coming up within
• 1:05:13
  the next few weeks. And I've got I've got some big
• 1:05:15
  ideas for podcasts, you know, I really do.
• 1:05:19
  Here's hoping that 2025 sees one of them come to light.
• 1:05:25
  Great, I can't wait. Let let me say as a listener of
• 1:05:27
  this show before the previous episodes, I've only heard the
• 1:05:30
  pilot because it just came out. I loved it.
• 1:05:32
  I'm so glad you both did it. I think it was such a a great
• 1:05:35
  idea. Thank you for having me on, but
• 1:05:37
  I can't let 4 episodes pass without mentioning Becca's
• 1:05:41
  greatest idea. Becca's greatest realization?
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  Oh my God, Anthony, thank you. I know exactly.
• 1:05:47
  What am I going to say, Becca? You say it.
• 1:05:49
  You say it is your no. No, no, no.
• 1:05:50
  I want you to say it. OK, which is that?
• 1:05:52
  Any lyrics by the band Modest Mouse can be said in a Tutter
• 1:05:56
  voice and make sense right out of gas Rd. out of beer, out of
• 1:06:01
  gas beer, out of Rd. beer, out of car.
• 1:06:04
  I don't know how I'm going to go beer or whatever.
• 1:06:07
  I think about not just this thing that I came up with, but
• 1:06:11
  specifically Anthony's choice of using the song out of Gas by
• 1:06:15
  Modest Mouse. I think about that literally
• 1:06:20
  once a day. I hear Tutter's voice saying out
• 1:06:24
  of gas Bear out of Rd. Bear.
• 1:06:27
  That's that's the, that's the anxious 1 I think of and the
• 1:06:31
  cheerful 1 I always think of is shoot what, what was it?
• 1:06:38
  You wasted. You wasted life, bam.
• 1:06:41
  Why wouldn't you waste the afterlife?
• 1:06:43
  Bam. Right, it was going to be Ice
• 1:06:45
  Age heat wave. Can't complain.
• 1:06:47
  I can't complain. Bam, you know, like just and
• 1:06:52
  it's so true. It's so funny because they have
• 1:06:55
  mouse in their name and it's also true.
• 1:06:59
  So thank you. The.
• 1:07:00
  World's at large. Bam, Why should I complain?
• 1:07:03
  The world's large Anthony Where can people find you online if
• 1:07:10
  you wish to be found? You can you can follow me on
• 1:07:15
  Blue Sky at Durwood Clapper. You can follow me on Letterboxed
• 1:07:20
  at Zeppo Marxist, and of course, you can listen to Moving Right
• 1:07:24
  Along, a Muppet Movie podcast brought to you by toughpigs.com.
• 1:07:28
  And we are almost done with Muppet Treasure Island.
• 1:07:32
  It has been quite a ride, much like the journey of the
• 1:07:35
  Hispaniola. It has been long and not that
• 1:07:38
  interesting, but I hope that you will listen to our next season,
• 1:07:43
  which will hopefully be better. Well, it's great because the
• 1:07:46
  next season, Muppets from Space, brings us to 1999, the year
• 1:07:50
  we're wrapping up with a Berry Bear Christmas.
• 1:07:53
  That's right. And Joe, where can people find
• 1:07:58
  you? You can find me on Letterboxed
• 1:08:03
  at Tough Pigs Joe. You can also subscribe to my sub
• 1:08:07
  stack at Joe Consumes Media. And you could find me hanging
• 1:08:13
  around all the other Tough Pigs related things that Becca's
• 1:08:16
  going to tell you about in just a moment.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah, so you can find me on social media, mostly Blue Sky, a
• 1:08:23
  little bit on Instagram at Tall Girl Petunia, or you can find me
• 1:08:30
  writing for toughpigs.com. Check out toughpigs.com both at
• 1:08:35
  that link and on all social media at Tough Pigs for all
• 1:08:41
  sorts of fun updates related to The Muppets.
• 1:08:44
  We have a ton of podcasts coming out.
• 1:08:46
  We're celebrating the Muppet's 70th anniversary all year in
• 1:08:50
  2025 S stay tuned for some of that all sorts of great stuff
• 1:08:55
  coming. You can also find me on the
• 1:08:59
  tough pigs discord, which I help run.
• 1:09:03
  It's a great place where everybody is is talking all
• 1:09:07
  about The Muppets. We are talking about bear.
• 1:09:09
  We're talking about Fozzie Bear. We're talking about baby bear,
• 1:09:13
  Baby bear. We're.
• 1:09:15
  Bobo the Bear. Bobo The.
• 1:09:17
  Bear. We're talking about the the
• 1:09:20
  honeypot dance. The honeypot dance.
• 1:09:26
  So you can check us out there or you can support us on Patreon or
• 1:09:31
  you can support us by buying AT shirt from our T public store,
• 1:09:35
  which includes the Tutter St. Trumpet Company shirt from
• 1:09:39
  Muppets Mayhem that I designed, which features the one and only
• 1:09:44
  Modest Mouse himself. I want to thank our Tough Pigs
• 1:09:50
  Muppet Fan Podcast executive producer Johannes for producing
• 1:09:55
  the show. I want to thank me for editing
• 1:09:58
  the show. I want to thank our pal Will
• 1:10:01
  Carroll for designing the the show artwork.
• 1:10:05
  And I want to thank Santa Hog for bringing me 50 billion
• 1:10:11
  clams. Have a really, really happy
• 1:10:19
  holiday, happy and healthy New Year, and I'll see all of you
• 1:10:23
  guys in 2025. Merry, Merry Christmas.
• 1:10:29
  Yay sorry sorry I ruined your podcast.
• 1:10:34
  No, it's OK, I. Forgive you, we we ruined it
• 1:10:38
  weeks ago.