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No bone's crazy trip story (Feat. NoBones) · Headroom

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, I'm ready to begin.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hello listeners.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: We have uh no bones here today for today's episode.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: What's up?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna be talking about some of his work, sound design, process, inspirations, and all that good stuff.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have anything you want to say before we go ahead and dig in?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean let's uh let's get right into it.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get right into it.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: So basically a little standard question here.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Who or what kind of got you into the music that you make today?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'd say it's uh a good combination of both my dad and uh probably Skrillix.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they kind of went pretty hand in hand.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was I was like eight years old in the backseat, and my dad kind of hit me with like uh, hey man, you wanna you wanna hear something you've never heard before?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then he immediately played uh I think it was bangaring or something like that.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you're right, I have never heard anything like this.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it was it was incredible.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then for the next couple years I remember like listening to it all the time.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then so you're kinda Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've been I've been into it for like a while.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I mean he got he got me like a little MIDI controller and on on his work laptop.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: He set me up with like a garage band, and then uh I've just been kind of making music ever since.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh dang, okay, so it was kind of like the main it was the main drama that you kind of knew that you wanted to make then.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: It got you into that whole music world.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it I mean I definitely have taken like a couple different turns and whatnot.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like I got really into future bass when I was like like 13, and then I kind of didn't really get out of it until I was probably like 17.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I had like a good little couple year period where I was just nothing but like really really melodic stuff.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like my my soul always kind of was more drawn into the more aggressive like bass music kind of stuff, you know.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Has there along the way of to where you are now, has there any been has there been anyone new that kind of influences and inspires the sound that you have currently?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, definitely, definitely.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean Skrillex is obviously like the the big one.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um but like as far as like newer artists, I've been listening to a lot of um night punk in the in the last couple years, and he's been like really, really influencing me to kind of like make some stuff that's not exactly like the traditional oh this is dubsep or this is drum and bass or this is like house.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's like very kind of like weird niche bass music that I do really really enjoy.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: I would say a lot of a lot of night punk and a lot of um Imanu.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um which is actually really cool because I did just get to play support for Emanu, and he was he was really, really cool.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um that is so kind of like a cool like full circle kind of moment.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't think I've heard of those names.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: It might be I'm not super tapped in.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: The most I know is just like Zomboy Skrillix and a couple others, but these I'll have to check these out after.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're really like um like a lot of their their sound I would say is inspired by like breakbeat or like jungle stuff, which is a lot more of like uh like a like a lot more like triplet drum patterns and like just kind of like stuff that's not just you know very classic, like two-step-ish stuff, you know what I'm saying?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: So more like variety and sets within the drum area.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Lot lot more variety in the in the uh drum department for sure.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: Good thing that we mentioned up the drums, because um I've been listening to you know var variety of your tracks here specifically specifically favoring directly off, and I believe it was bark, and those drums are just hitting super hard.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is there well what's your process that kind of make drums sound that way?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um man, that's that's funny.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned those those two.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Bark, I made almost a year ago now, so my process is definitely a lot different than it used to be.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then directly off, I I think was back in May, which it's even it's it's so it's ever evolving and changing.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um right now, I w I you know, I'm I'm totally open to giving anybody the sauce, but really it's like I'm a big fan of like techno drums, and if you just like shorten a techno drum and then you just layer another another uh top end drum on top of it, and it definitely makes like some really really beefy sounds um that I feel like definitely punch through a little bit more than just like having the classic dubstep drums or something like that.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: It is like the some of them do have a care of that iconic, an iconic dubstep drum pattern to it, as well as the sound.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, speaking of the sound, I want to talk about the bass specifically with Super Noticeable and Bark, which is like the like 2013 Bro Step kind of growl.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: How did you get that?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: How'd you get that growl sound?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I made that song with um I made that all with FM8, which is like a really, really old synth synthesizer.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: I was like really bored one day and I was like looking up like older synthesizers and I wanted to like kind of dive more into what people used back in like 2013-2014, and it was like a lot of it was either FMA or Massive.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: And FMA I I want to say is older than Massive, or maybe it's like around the same age, but it's like definitely the less popular of the two, and it's definitely way harder to use.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's probably like like I made like a little growl section, um, and then I like duplicated it, and then just like changed a couple of the little wave tables in each little patch, and I probably have like a good like eight or nine different growls with like the same automation, kind of doing the same same shit.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of how I ended up making that.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I definitely have a tutorial out there somewhere from you know, buried in a bunch of other videos where like I go into the specifics of like the percentages of each thing, but it's yeah, that was definitely like so long ago, it would be so hard to find it right now.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned a lot of um the layers and such with your sound.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Are you a big sound design guy?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, definitely.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: I have uh like a whole Patreon dedicated just to like putting out presets and sound design and stuff like that.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm definitely not gonna say I'm like some sort any any sort of an expert, um, but I definitely like have an idea of what I'm doing, but it's it's there's so many different plugins, and there's so many different things that you can do to achieve similar sounds or even crazier sounds that it's like I don't think I'll ever consider myself a master of sound design.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um definitely gonna leave that to more of the people who I would consider like the sound design, you know, gods or whatever you want to call them.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I definitely I definitely like to know a good amount about every sort of little part of the process, you know.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: It definitely makes it easier being able to make like something pretty close to whatever you're thinking in your head, you know.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: When whenever you did start getting into sound design, how easy was it for you to pick it up?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, it's kind of one of those things where I I personally don't feel like I had like the hardest time learning about it.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um just because I did start when I was so young.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: I got serum for the first time when I was like 13.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been like really into messing around with it.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then when Serum 2 came out, it just like kind of I took I I'll watch like a couple tutorials here and there.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I am a like a pretty naturally curious person, so I'm definitely more into like what if I try this, and then what happens if I do that, and then maybe I'll watch like a tutorial on like a very specific sound, you know.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, how how does this guy make this whistle, or how does this guy make this one growl?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then I kind of use the general way of how they're moving about those to play around with my own sounds, you know.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I think if you just you know watch a couple YouTube videos and you're really into like figuring out what each of the things do, I don't think it's crazy hard after that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is there any advice or tips that you can kind of give someone who's wanting to get into it but is slightly intimidated with the whole thing?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as far as sound design goes, uh watch as many YouTube videos as you can and uh definitely try and don't just like I I will say that the probably the best advice that I can give, because this is something that I used to do when I was younger, is don't just like skip to the end um and just like find the preset in the description of the video.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like actually sit there and like even though you might get really bored, because I'm like the kind of person who like I I love that tutorials are a thing, but I get bored super super easily.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so like sitting through a tutorial is like a relatively new skill for me.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um I used to get through five minutes of the 30-minute tutorial and be like, nah, it's fine, I can take it from there, and then I in fact could not take it from there.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um so like if I were to give advice, it would just be to actively follow along with these tutorials and see what each knob that you're actively turning or modulating or setting some parameter to just see what it does, and then from there, you know, it'll be a lot easier to kind of go off on your own and uh kind of do your own thing, you know?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: The knob thing, especially, you know, once I remember when I I first like uh understood ADSR, it was like game changing, and then I was set for like about maybe a couple months until I wanted to dig into deeper stuff.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a kind of like a workflow or a work process that you kind of have when approaching uh when you when you want to make a new song?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, yeah.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, I have like a it's it's pretty I'm not gonna say it's like pretty standard across the board, but I will say I typically start with the drops because I feel like it's that's like the climax of the song, and I feel like that's like the easiest thing to build off of.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think I would rather try and figure out a uh like figure out a build-up and figure out an intro.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like those are a lot easier for me than like the building the drop off of whatever the intro already is.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um so whenever I end up, you know, one out of ten times starting with the intro or you know, a build rather than the drop, I always find it harder to kind of continue the song after that.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times those songs or those ideas don't really end up getting finished rather than if I just have a cool drop.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: If the drop is cool enough, I can build the rest of the song around it, you know.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: The drop is for me the most important part, you know.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: That that part of the song is definitely going to get played, you know.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: So when it comes to things like that, I'm definitely more of a focus on the on the main climax part of the song first, and then worry about everything else later.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of work around the drop, work around the main idea, kind of build around it.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: With uh making music for so long, did you ever pick up DJing or anything like that to perform your work?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: I got into DJing not long after I started producing.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was producing at 11.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think I got my first like really, really terrible, uh, really, really, really bad like mixing board when I was probably like 12 or 13.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I I'm I'm pretty sure I have a memory of me also having like some like$20 like pretend DJ thing when I was like even younger than that, when I had to be like seven or eight.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's always been kind of like ingrained into like my head that like being a DJ is sick.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I think like I really got into DJing when I was probably about 13.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: But it my brain has always been more attracted to the production side, and I'd say only within the past like couple years have I really tried to like actually figure out how to DJ for live shows just because I feel like my music was finally at the point where I was like, okay, I can play this stuff now.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now I want to actually perform and yeah.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: How after being in touch with some with music for so long and kind of getting into DJing not so long after, did you kind of find it the same, you know, picking up speed as making music, or did you kinda have to adapt to a whole new hobby?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for for some reason I just kind of like really failed to do research on how to DJ.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: That was just something that for just never really crossed my brain.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, I would try DJing with just like 15 of the most random songs that I just kind of like like liked at the time.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was just like, why is this so hard?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't get it.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And like I didn't know anything about like key matching or like tempo matching or anything like that.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: So DJing just like didn't really which is funny because I feel like DJing is the easier of the two to do, in my personal opinion.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um But it just kind of like didn't really click up until like recently, um when like I was kind of shown, yeah, if you just take these two songs that are in the same key and there's a similar genre, you just put the number to the same number, and then it'll be a lot easier.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, huh.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: That just undid like years of me just messing around and not knowing what I'm doing.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: That actually makes sense.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have any any help to help you out with that, or just is it strictly just you're built off of YouTube?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of YouTube to be there.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely had like some help here and there from just like various friends um who definitely like help me initially kind of get started with like alright, this is how you want to set up your like phrasing, or this is this is how you want to set up like you know these genres or whatnot, and that way it's like okay, you just DJ this genre.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: So like when I first started, it was all bass house.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Bass house was like, because it was a slower tempo, it felt like it was easier for me because just because like DJing at 128 is at the time felt way less uh overstimulating than trying to DJ at like drum and bass, you know, or something like that.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's pretty much all I was doing was only finding bass house tracks and just trying to do bass house, and that's all I was doing for like a little bit.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I felt like as my production got better and I got more and more creative with like how I was DJing, because when I really got into DJing, like I really got into it.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was all the time I was just producing and like just DJing, like any spare moment outside of you know the job that I was working at the time was only spent DJing or producing.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like just in sheer quantity of time doing it, I definitely like taught myself a bunch of little tricks or would listen to sets all the time and be like, oh, I could do that, I could probably do that with you know my production or something like that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of just like taught myself through just like listening to what other people are doing.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good that's a good drive to drive for like a passion for the hobby.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you mentioned before that you made bass house.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now currently you're into the dubstep and yeah, bass house, dubstep, and future bass, I believe it was the third one.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was there any?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Future base is what I what I used to be in when I was when I was a kid.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's a lot more like I don't really do a whole lot of uh like melodic stuff as much.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely do a little bit more of uh it's definitely multi-genre, but it's like multi-genre bass music for sure.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Within its own little own little alley.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Was there any genres that you tried getting into?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse me, that you couldn't really pick up?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: That I couldn't really pick up.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I'm I'm I'm gonna be honest.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't really I'm kind of one of those people that believes that like if you really want to do something, then you then like like you can.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't really think there's been like a genre, at least not at this point, where I'm like, oh man, I really want to do this, but I can't.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I would say like my current version of like dubstep or bass music or whatever you want to call it, because it's definitely like a little bit weirder.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um that definitely wasn't like a oh, I could just do this.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I definitely when I was going from like more of that classic like 2012 dubstep sound, and then I wanted to start making something that sounded a little bit more modern, a little bit more like like me.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's definitely a good like month or two where every single thing I made, I'm trying to do this new thing, and I'm like, none of this is sticking right now.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I just kind of didn't really know like what I was doing, but I was trying.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then eventually you kind of get there and you you start making stuff that you're like, okay, this is definitely cooler, this is definitely this is heading a better direction than it used to be, you know.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like I said before, it's just sheer quantity of time spent like trying to do something and watching videos on how to do it and listening to other people do stuff.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Eventually you'll kind of get to a certain place, you know.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so drive passion and just the wanting to do it and giving yourself that time for it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, just throwing a ton of paint at the wall, and eventually something is gonna stick, you know?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Have your name no bones.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: How did that come into play?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how did you decide that's your name?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, uh, well, it's actually a really um funny story.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I actually I was hanging out with uh with one of my buddies from high school, and this is this is years ago.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is when I was still in my apprenticeship at uh at a tattoo shop that I used to work at.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so at the time I wasn't allowed to drink or smoke.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I was hanging out with one of my friends from high school, and he had a bunch of friends around us um that I didn't like really know too well.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I was in the bathroom and my other and my main friend that I was, you know, visiting his house, um, I think both of us were like in I think like I was in the bathroom and he was like doing something outside for a second.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: And these friends that I these these friends that I was around thought it'd be really funny if uh they were gonna offer a cookie to us.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the cookie turned out to be an edible that was really, really strong.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm talking like 250 milligrams.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: And like, I don't know if you know weed, that's like way too much weed for like most people.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, especially someone who at the time hadn't like drank or smoked in like a good year and a half, two years, right?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so we come back and we're just like eating junk food, watching uh I forget where we're we're just like watching TV and just eating a bunch of junk food.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And one of them was like, Hey, you want to try this?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what is it?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Oh, this is like peanut butter blast.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: You want some?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like the size of vanilla wafer, it's like really small.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, so I'm like, sure, dude, and I eat it, and I'm like, this tastes like shit, dude.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: What is this?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just like, That's the weed, man.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, uh?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: What'd you say to me?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: What are you saying to me right now, man?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: So immediately I was like, alright, and I grab the bag from and I look at it, and it says like 20 minute like kick-in time.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, cool.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: I live, like I was still living with my parents at the time.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I live like 12 minutes away.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I can get home because if I don't, I'm gonna st I'm gonna be here for like a long time.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want to do that.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm supposed to like help my parents with like Easter decorations the next day or something.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like this whole shit show, and like at like the next morning, I find I like I make it home, I'm like, it's cool, I'll sleep, I'll wake up, and I'll be fine.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I woke up, I was not fine.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I was not good in the slightest.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was really, really bad.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like trying to walk, and I felt like my feet had like cinder blocks attached to them, and like my mom is just like looking at me and she's like, What are you doing?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are you like be so straight up with me right now?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: What did you do last night?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: I just felt like bawling my eyes out.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like freaking out, I'm crying.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I feel like I can't walk, I feel like I'm having a hard time standing.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's going on.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've like never done edibles at this point before.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so this is all a new experience.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was like freaking out.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so like I put my I put my hand on her shoulder and I'm just like, Mom, there's a problem.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: And she's just like, what?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: She's like kind of laughing at me.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, what is the problem, Aiden?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I put my sh I hand on her shoulder and I just look at her and I'm like, mom.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: I like slowly turn to her straight face, tears just streaming down my face, and I'm just like, I don't have any bones in my body, mom.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: I have no bones, I lost them all.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And she starts laughing hysterically.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's funny at all.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm genuinely freaking out because I'm like, there's nothing I they they left.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: The the bones just left.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, you know, fast forward a couple years later, um kind of like getting back into music because I had kind of like slowly not like gotten out of it, but I kind of like stopped with how much I was doing it just so I could try and get good at tattooing.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I eventually kind of picked it back up and I was like, you know what'd be kind of cool is if like had something related to that name.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because that became like a nickname for me in the shop that I was working at was like either no bones or boneless.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, that's I mean, that's kind of cool.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's like the coolest nickname I feel like I've ever had, so I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with no bones.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's how I got my name.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: The birth, the birth of no bones inside a tattoo shop.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Does every tattoo shop give its employees nicknames?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, but uh that one because I had been the apprentice, I was always like, I always had like very interesting nicknames.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um just like either from the dudes that I worked with or uh, you know, just like some of the other clients that were just like regular clients.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um but like that's just the shop that I kind of grew up in, you know.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I very much uh very much just had like that cool nickname.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: That is pretty sick.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: It is pretty sick.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not the worst name to come out of that, you know.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely could have been worse.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Any others out there that yeah, right?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of float around.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, see, we spoke about your production-wise, your sound design, your inspirations.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about your dreams.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Are there any dream collabs that you want to do?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, definitely.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, I feel like the the first one is like what every producer's dream is, and that's like I want to make a song with Skrillex just because I've been listening to him since I was literally like in second grade.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like that one would be like I'd probably cry.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um but like other than that, like, like I said, like Night Punk or Imanu would be really, really sick.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, those are like I said, some of the like the bigger people that I'm listening to right now, or like ISO XO would be really, really cool.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not like super opposed to um collaborating with like very like really really like anybody.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like it as long as I feel like the song is going to be cool and it's going to be like in some degree like an equal-ish value of like input, then like I'm I'm pretty open.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to, you know, make something with like Tyler the Creator or something like that, you know, like a like a rap artist or hip hop or or RB or you know, even like getting some reggae up in there would be really, really sick, or Spanish, like any of that I'm I personally think would be really really cool just to kind of like put my little touch on you know into that production.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to do.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything that you've wanted to experiment with with your now music, like add in like reggae chops in there or anything like that?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I've actually it's I would say my most like recent kind of obsession, I guess, or like weird little fixation has been like Brazilian funk.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think Brazilian is like like violet funk is probably one of the coolest drum patterns I feel like I've come across.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I've been in like I'd say the past like two or three songs um over the past couple months, I've been really trying to implement like I have a couple remixes and a couple originals out where like the second drop of the song is Brazilian funk with like a bunch of cool dubstep like elements, and I'm like, oh this is this is like one of my favorite pockets right here of music.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna I wanna stay in this for a little bit.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I that's probably one of my uh cool little little experimentations that I've been doing that I feel like is not as like regular that you would normally hear, you know.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Can we expect to hear any more of that in any future no-bone songs?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really like plan out super far on like what I'm going to make.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like oh, I'm gonna make drum and bass for the next three months, or oh, I'm gonna make house for the next two months, or whatever.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I it just kind of happens, and whatever I make, I know is gonna sound like me because you know I'm the one making it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I I try not to put any like real constraints on what I'm doing.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying to make what I think is cool, and I kind of just trust that whatever I make, like I'm going to like.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, obviously not every single song is going to be, or every single project is going to be one that I like.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I just know that every song that I do put out is one that like I've personally decided out of the you know 20 different unfinished products, you know, that I have in the next, you know, in a month, I know one of them I'm probably going to like, and the one that I like the most is the one that's gonna get released, and just hopefully other people like that too, you know.
• 30:54
  unknown: Yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was like to say, like if I like it, someone out there will also absolutely like it too.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Here's that there for everyone.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um C, did you you have this kind of like a rocker aura, I guess, to you?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any rock background or anything like that with with music?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean when I started working at the tattoo shop, I kinda like, I still listened to electronic music like here and there, but I definitely s like for the most part, I wasn't really tapped into like whatever was going on in the electronic music scene.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Which is crazy because like from a child that was all I listened to, pretty much the only thing I wanted to do.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: And every now and then it would like bounce over to like rap or whatever, but for the most part, it was just like electronic music, and then I became a tattooer, and then it was like I listen to hardcore now, so it was like very like like just beat down heavy riffs, like very much aggressive, aggressive hardcore metal.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so like those kind of influences I feel like definitely kind of trickled over into what I like to make with electronic music and like kind of the presence that I want to have because the energy at these hardcore shows, none of them that I've ever been to have been as big as any of the EDM shows that like I've been to.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: However, the energy there is something that is like it's like a tangible thing you can like feel in the air, you know, when like the pits of a hardcore show are so like the energy in them is an indescribable feeling, and like it's kind of funny coming back over into electronic music.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I want to try and implement that energy into electronic music because like you know, nobody's going crazy enough that they're throwing a ladder at an electronic show, you know.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: But like I've definitely been to shows where someone's chucking a ladder from the stage, you know, and it's like it sounds crazy until you're like there and you're like hearing it and you're feeling it, and then it it is kind of one of those things where you're like, I need to jump off of something or I need some bigger dude to throw me into that group of people.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's like such a crazy adrenaline rush that I feel like uh I definitely try and kind of take with me into my like kind of not brand, because I don't really think of myself as like a brand, but like into what I like to do.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just kind of doing what I like to do, and that just has influences from you know rock and roll and and hardcore and metal and shit like that.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd say that there's definitely strong connections between rock, metal, and a lot of EDM and all that as well.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: I had no idea that, at least so far as like a lot of the drum and bass artists that I've spoken to, uh they all a majority of them has came from their metal bands that they used to play at or like metal shows and such like that.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, whoa, yeah, it's kind of in the cards.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of in the cards as well, like with you, definitely me.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a question here.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, everyone goes through any fallouts or any writer's block when making music.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: What is something that you kind of do to kind of help out with that and get you back into the groove?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: Man, um it's it's definitely one of those things where I feel like I don't fall into it too often, which is like so not helpful for the question or anybody like actually looking for advice on that stuff.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say like the thing that has helped me the most is just trusting that like whatever I'm going to make is like it's what whatever I I am going to put out is going to be cool.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that means eventually I'm going to make something that's cool, and it's kind of one of those things like success in in whatever aspect it may be, whether it's you know creating something or eventually, you know, making it whatever that may be for the individual person, it's it's definitely not something that I feel like you can really chase or you can really catch.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely something that I feel like you have to kind of attract.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so by like not worrying too much about is this song, is this idea going to be good, and just only focusing on like how can I try something?
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, what if I do this?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, what if I do that?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, could this be cool?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Let me let me see.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: What does it sound like if I do this, you know?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: And those, I feel like those moments are how you end up making something cool when you just kind of excuse me, trust that your own ears and like yeah, you just like kind of trust that your own ears are kind of gonna lead you in a direction that's that's cool, you know?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: I guess so far just experiment a little bit.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Correct me if I'm a lot of it.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a lot of experimenting.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Not experimenting.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just I did have another question that slipped out my mind right at the right at the moment.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Something to do with some water now.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're good.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Spoke about the completely straight mind.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, it's okay.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: How was your day?
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, man, no.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, it's going great.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's going great.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Doing a really cool interview right now.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Hey.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I I believe I asked before while I was fixing stuff up.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever done anything like this?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've done like a couple little like questions and whatnot.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I do um like production classes and mixing and mastering classes and whatnot.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I definitely get like some similar questions across the board.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: So like I've definitely answered these before, but uh not in like an interview type sense, other than maybe a couple that my dad helped me with when I was younger, just to kind of like like he was like, I want to get you ready.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, here, we're gonna practice a couple questions or whatnot.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but other than that, like this is definitely the first one that's like recorded for sure.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Great great experience, great experiences here, and you experience it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: The the question did come back, and it was uh you do you're getting a following, you're getting a nice following throughout your platforms.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying the first part of the first part of the question, uh, was there a moment where you kind of looked at your phone and then you saw that people really love what you're doing?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would definitely say yes and no.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I I would every single person who has like ever messaged me individually or commented, like I try and respond to like every single comment that I can, so I definitely see it.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I do think as like a human it's one of those things where like sometimes the negative, if you let it like really get to you, because I definitely have some pretty dedicated uh people who hate everything I do.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Dedicated haters.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I definitely think that those people, if you are if they catch me on a bad day, it's like fuck nobody likes my stuff.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say for the most part, um I do feel really, really good um when I like see what like people are saying to my stuff.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um and like it is nice because I'm not like really going down a very specific path of like this is I you know, oh I'm the I'm the base house guy, or you know, I'm the dubstep guy, or you know, this is the very specific thing that I do, and this is the box I do it.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just kind of doing whatever I feel like is cool, and so for people to really like it and then continuously follow me through all of these different kinds of periods of my life where I feel like I'm just trying different things out, it is very, very nice, and I'm very, very grateful for those specific people.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, those those those experiences are definitely really really special to me.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: I remember um I actually came across your account a while ago before I had any of this set up.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was and it was I believe it was around uh a reel about bark, and I was like, you know, this does sound like 2013 core, super OG core, they gotta bring this back.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then of course days went by, and then I had this idea.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let me get this set up, let me bring on some independent artists.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I came across another one, and I was like, yo, it's this guy.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: I remember this guy.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let me let me reach out, let me reach out to this guy.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, I was like, all right, he's down.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, this this music's tight.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Let me let me see what else he's got.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then I just found myself throughout working throughout my whole shit, just blasting.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude, this guy, this guy needs to like for sure, for sure come on to talk about this and for sure need that some good exposure, because this is mainly what this is exposure, you know.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I a platform for people to get out there and for other people to listen in.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: And with that being said, gaining a following in a community, do you ever feel that you have pressure to release music to keep them there?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um sometimes I definitely feel like oh man, I should um, I probably should be doing this or should be doing more, and I think that's like kind of a natural feeling in your brain where like excuse me, as like an artist who you have like a bunch of other people in your direct circle, and you see them like doing these certain things, or other people are doing you know, other things, it is I feel like a natural kind of uh feeling to look at them and be like, man, like I don't want them to be doing less, I just want to be doing more.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um but it's definitely like a it's one of those things where it's like okay, well, maybe, you know, this artist that I might think is doing all these different things, you know, they're they have all they have this connection that they've had since they were a kid, or you know, this person is that I see doing so much more than me.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're also ten years older than me, you know, and like it's kind of one of those things where I feel like the pressure a lot of times isn't like the most warranted.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I kind of have like a pretty consistent schedule that you know I produce pretty fast, and um, I don't really have like a whole lot of constraints like kind of tying me down, so I do find time to make stuff pretty often.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um however, like I mean, just because of that, like I don't I don't really find myself having like a ton of pressure.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like I want to keep making stuff to put out for different people, but I'm not but like even if I had no audience, you know, even when I had no audience, you know, a year a little bit more than a year ago, like I was still putting out stuff once a month just 'cause I felt like that's how long it took me to make a song, you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where where I feel like my head is at with with that whole pressure thing.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh see, I I agree that it is for sure a normal thing.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Give the people what they want kind of a thing.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Keep them listening.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, um, I know some people believe that dubstep EDM and all that is from the outside perspective, just noise, just a lot of growling and just like metallic noises.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: But of course, there a lot of it is carefully crafted and emotion into it, of course.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a song that you deeply connect to that you have released?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, definitely a bunch of them.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: I I feel like I had I got some really good advice from one of my music friends um about a year ago now, um, and he told me that whenever you put out a song, it is a good it is like a pretty good indicator that you're doing the right thing when you feel like this song is the best song that you've ever put out.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so I feel like I try and do that with various different things with every song.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now, granted, there's songs that like I feel like okay, maybe I got way better at this thing or that thing, but I don't really connect to it as much maybe a few months after the fact.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: However, like when I'm making stuff and I'm like, yeah, this is the one, at the time, I'm very, very connected to like what I'm doing, you know.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really just like put out stuff just to kind of put out stuff.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um so but like also like what you said about depth just being noise.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, isn't that all music?
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what separates you know like metal.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Weeks and weeks and months and months of you know, someone trying to make an electronic album, you know, versus someone spending weeks and weeks and months and months trying to write, you know, a song where they play the guitar and they'd play the drums.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, rock and roll was looked down upon 50 years ago or whatnot, you know, and then like or 70 or however many years ago or something.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm still thinking like my brain is still in like 2000 or something like that.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but like rock and roll was like looked down upon when it was first coming out, and people are just like, what is this?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't you can't listen to this.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then like before then, like there's always been you know people who just kind of don't understand what's like what's cool and like what is the thing now.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's always going to be people that kind of don't understand that, so their first, you know, instinct is just to kind of bash it, you know, versus kind of being able to come at it and being like, okay, well, maybe this isn't like for me right now, but I could definitely still learn something from this, or I could definitely still, you know, I I don't think there's any artist that I couldn't learn something from, even if it's just from you know what I don't like.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that's unfamiliar, just uh assume to just bash it.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say that's that's pretty much the mindset of a lot of haters.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of haters out there.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you don't understand it, and you you know, you're not up to date, so hate that song.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like okay.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay with the program, get with the program.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: I believe we are approaching that time here.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: Approaching that time to wrap things up.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is there any advice that you have for anyone that is wants to get into music but is too afraid to kind of get out there to kind of like pick up sound design or release any music or anything like that?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely have I definitely do have a couple words for those people.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um if it's fear that is the thing that's holding you back, you know, do it scared.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I would be lying if I said I'm never scared to put something out or I'm afraid of being judged, especially when I'm really shifting like what I'm doing.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't I I have my own judgment.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just hope my judgment is enough.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: But like life is too short to be afraid to try and create.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, at the core, us that's like what us humans are meant to do is to make stuff or try and share experiences.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, the feeling that you get from making music, if there's a possibility that you could make something that makes that that invokes that feeling with some within someone else, like I think that is reason enough just to try it, you know.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what I would say.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Work hard, keep doing it.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's some good advice, a good footnote to to wrap it up on.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: For those listeners out there who want to find you, where can I find you at?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my Instagram is who is no bones.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, all lowercase, no spaces, nothing weird like that.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: My TikTok is no bones music.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think my YouTube is also just no bones music.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: You can find me on any platform just as no bones.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: No bones.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you having me on here, man.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for taking time to come on here.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pleasure to have you.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right, yes, absolutely.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for tuning in on today's episode, and I hope you guys had a good year, and I'll catch you guys on the next one next week.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Later.