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Mega Edition: The Security Around The House On King Road In The Wake Of The Murders (10/10/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. So
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Speaker 1: after the back and forth between the victims' families from
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Speaker 1: the Moscow murders and the University of Idaho about the
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Speaker 1: demolition of the house, it has now been decided that
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Speaker 1: they're going to pause their plans to demolish the house.
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Speaker 1: And as we've talked about previously, I think that is
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Speaker 1: the right way to go. Considering that the jury might
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Speaker 1: want to come check this house out at some point,
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Speaker 1: Why would we knock it down? Doesn't it make sense
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Speaker 1: to just wait until the trial ends and until they
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Speaker 1: figure out one way or the other if Brian Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: is guilty or not before they knock this house down
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Speaker 1: where the murders actually occurred? And believe me, I get
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Speaker 1: why the university wants to get rid of this house.
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Speaker 1: They don't want a bunch of looky-loos showing up, disrupting
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Speaker 1: life on campus, and just generally causing a scene. Nobody
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Speaker 1: needs it. So I understand that side of the story too.
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Speaker 1: And I think that once the trial's done, they should
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Speaker 1: knock it down the next day. Because there's no reason
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Speaker 1: to keep it up after the trial. I mean, nobody
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Speaker 1: should want to move into a place like this, right?
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Speaker 1: And as far as the university is concerned, they don't
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Speaker 1: need a bunch of people showing up there all the
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Speaker 1: time to take pictures and go into the house, whatever
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Speaker 1: it might be. So it makes a lot of sense
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Speaker 1: for the university to want to demolish this place. But
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Speaker 1: it did make sense to want to do it before
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Speaker 1: the trial ended. So I'm glad to hear that they're
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Speaker 1: going to pause that and we're going to wait and
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Speaker 1: see what happens at this trial before the House gets
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Speaker 1: knocked down. Today's article is from the Daily Mail headline.
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho will pause demolition of house where four
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Speaker 1: students were brutally murdered. But officials will revisit decision before
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Speaker 1: the end of suspect Brian Koberger's trial. So I think
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Speaker 1: that's fair. a wait and see attitude here as we
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Speaker 1: get through the process, as the case continues to evolve
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Speaker 1: and then go from there. I don't think it's something
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Speaker 1: that has to be done right away. The house isn't
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Speaker 1: going to get up and walk away and you're not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to knock it down in two
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Speaker 1: years or however long it takes. So the prudent course
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Speaker 1: of action here is to wait and see what happens
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Speaker 1: and to make sure that the house itself isn't needed
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Speaker 1: as part of the trial. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Will Potter. The University of Idaho has announced it will
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Speaker 1: pause plans to demolish the house where four students were
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered in November. Officials say they will revisit the
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Speaker 1: decision in October before the end of the trial of
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Speaker 1: alleged killer Brian Kohlberger for the murders of Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Ethan Chapin, and Zanna Kernodle. According to KHQ Local,
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Speaker 1: staff and faculty at the university were sent a memo
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Speaker 1: explaining the decision while also noting the significant impact the
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Speaker 1: evil crime had on the community. And there's no doubt
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Speaker 1: this was a shocking crime, especially in a small town
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Speaker 1: like Moscow. You know, this happens in a place like
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. It's still shocking, right? But a lot more expected, unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: And that's just because There's more people in bigger cities.
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Speaker 1: It's more violent. And there are more situations that arise
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Speaker 1: due to whatever reasons where people end up in situations
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Speaker 1: where they might end up getting killed. And in a
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Speaker 1: place like Moscow, you just don't expect that. You expect
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Speaker 1: some fights. People get busted for weed. People might get
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Speaker 1: busted for, you know, public intoxication or a fight at
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Speaker 1: the local football game. But nobody's going into somebody's house
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Speaker 1: and murdering them while they're asleep. In response to this tragedy,
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Speaker 1: we have tried to do what is right, knowing full
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Speaker 1: well there are no actions or decisions that will be
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Speaker 1: met with full support, the memo read. The murders of
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Speaker 1: the four students shocked the nation, and the university says
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Speaker 1: it has gone back and forth over what to do
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Speaker 1: with the house as a constant reminder. Well, look, even
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Speaker 1: if the house is gone, that property is always going
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Speaker 1: to be the place where these murders occurred, so you
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Speaker 1: can't just erase it from existence. You can get rid
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Speaker 1: of the house and try and help out with people
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Speaker 1: coming as crime tourists, but it's never going to erase
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Speaker 1: what happened on that piece of land. In the memo,
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Speaker 1: the college said, since that fateful night in November, the
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Speaker 1: house on King Road, where four of our fellow vandals
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Speaker 1: were senselessly killed, has stood as a stark reminder of
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Speaker 1: what was lost. We lost our innocence and our sense
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Speaker 1: of safety. We realize that evil can visit our town
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Speaker 1: and we lost four bright souls from our Vandal family.
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Speaker 1: In response to this tragedy, we have tried to do
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Speaker 1: what is right. Knowing full well there are no actions
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Speaker 1: or decisions that will be met with full support. This
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Speaker 1: is why the decision about what to do with the
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Speaker 1: King Road house is so difficult. On one hand, some
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Speaker 1: people want it taken down. It is a constant reminder
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Speaker 1: of the heinous acts that went on inside of it.
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Speaker 1: It also has a place that continues to draw unwanted
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Speaker 1: attention from the media, YouTubers, and others. On the other hand,
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Speaker 1: it elicits deep emotional responses from those who are working
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Speaker 1: through grief and who fear that its destruction could impact
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Speaker 1: the court case. We hear all these arguments, take them seriously,
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Speaker 1: and weigh them against the greater good for our university.
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Speaker 1: And that's what you should do. What is the greater
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Speaker 1: good here? What makes the most sense? And you would
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Speaker 1: think that a bunch of people who are college educated
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Speaker 1: would be able to deduce that the best idea is
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Speaker 1: to let the house stand while this all plays out.
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Speaker 1: Because imagine the scorn that would come to the university
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Speaker 1: if they knock this house down. And then later on
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Speaker 1: down the road, the jurors are like, man, we really
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Speaker 1: want to go to the scene of the crime and
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Speaker 1: get a look for ourselves. What happens then? You can't
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Speaker 1: go back and rebuild the house, right? So once it's gone,
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Speaker 1: it's gone. And I think that would be a very
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Speaker 1: bad decision by the university and one that might come
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Speaker 1: back to haunt them. The university said that it planned
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Speaker 1: to revisit the decision to pause demolition in October, noting
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Speaker 1: that there is no legal requirements to leave it standing. However,
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Speaker 1: the memo added that the university fully expect to demolish
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Speaker 1: the house in the future and the current decision was
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Speaker 1: the right course to take for the current moment. Yes,
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Speaker 1: 100% the house should go, just not yet. And I
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Speaker 1: think most people are at that point, right? Most people
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Speaker 1: say to themselves, all right, let's keep the house around
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Speaker 1: for a little while longer and let's make sure that
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Speaker 1: every single avenue and every bit of evidence that might
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Speaker 1: be available is used as we prosecute this case. The
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Speaker 1: decision to keep the house standing comes as the nation
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Speaker 1: readies for Kohlberger's blockbuster murder trial later this year. No
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Speaker 1: conditions apply. See website for details. Questions have swirled over
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Speaker 1: the details of the four murders, with the extensive police
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Speaker 1: manhunt and several bizarre details yet to be answered. In April,
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Speaker 1: it was revealed that some of these questions may become clearer,
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Speaker 1: with the surviving roommate inside the Idaho murder house, Bethany Funk,
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Speaker 1: agreeing to be interviewed by Koberger's defense team. When DailyMail.com
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Speaker 1: visited the home in November, shortly after the brutal slayings,
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Speaker 1: blood was seen oozing from the walls. Now imagine how
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Speaker 1: brutal a murder must be and how much blood must
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Speaker 1: have to leave the body. Also though, we have to
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Speaker 1: remember that the bodies were left where they were for
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Speaker 1: multiple hours after the murders. And not to get too gruesome,
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Speaker 1: but with the wounds as extensive as they were according
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Speaker 1: to people in the know, you have to think that
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Speaker 1: they would bleed out and that could lead to a
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Speaker 1: gigantic hazmat situation with gigantic pools of blood. Blood was
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Speaker 1: dripping down the side of the home while evidence markers
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Speaker 1: littered the back porch and the interior. Police sources told DailyMail.com
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Speaker 1: that the scene inside the home is the worst they
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Speaker 1: have ever seen with the victims left to bleed out
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Speaker 1: following the brutal early morning attack. And that is just
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Speaker 1: so damn vicious. So damn brutal and evil that there's
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Speaker 1: not even enough words to explain how gruesome that is.
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Speaker 1: If these kids weren't killed directly in the attacks, well,
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Speaker 1: they were left to bleed out for countless hours. And
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Speaker 1: that is just such an unpleasant thought to even think about.
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Speaker 1: There was blood everywhere, said one source close to the investigation.
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Speaker 1: We have investigators who have been on the job for 20,
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Speaker 1: even 30 years, and they say they have never seen
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Speaker 1: anything like this. So if the scene was that gruesome
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Speaker 1: inside of the house, And there was that much blood,
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Speaker 1: that much DNA. Don't you think it would be prudent
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Speaker 1: and a good idea to make sure that that house
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Speaker 1: stays standing so that just in case anything else pops up,
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Speaker 1: the crime scene itself will still be available for the
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Speaker 1: jury and the court to get a look at. And
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Speaker 1: I just don't see any good reason or explanation why
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Speaker 1: that wouldn't occur. And to see the University of Idaho
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Speaker 1: here come to their senses... and decide not to knock
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Speaker 1: this down yet, I think that's certainly a good thing.
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Speaker 1: Because when all is said and done, we never know
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Speaker 1: what a jury's going to want. We don't know if
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Speaker 1: they're going to want to go to the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: like we saw down in South Carolina, or if they're
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Speaker 1: going to want more pictures of it, or whatever. The
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Speaker 1: point is, if the house isn't there, well, none of
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Speaker 1: that can occur. If the house is still standing, however,
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Speaker 1: and the jury decides that they want a better look,
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Speaker 1: or they want to experience it for themselves, they'll be
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Speaker 1: able to do that. So when all's said and done,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt that this House should come down. The
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Speaker 1: question has been, and the debate has been lately, about
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Speaker 1: when that should occur. And now it looks like the
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho has put a pause on things, and
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Speaker 1: there certainly isn't. listening to what people are saying about
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Speaker 1: this house and the possibility that it might come in
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Speaker 1: handy later on down the road. With that said, we
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Speaker 1: might get to trial and the jury might not want
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Speaker 1: anything to do with the house. But the fact that
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Speaker 1: we don't know what the jury wants is the main
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Speaker 1: reason that I've said that the house should remain standing.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
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Speaker 1: be found in the description box. Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 1: Ever since we got information about the murders in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: we've been hearing about the house where these murders took
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Speaker 1: place and how it was a party house, how there
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Speaker 1: was always people there, how they were always loud. So
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Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, for those of us
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Speaker 1: who went to college, at least, we understand that that's
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Speaker 1: pretty common. That's a pretty regular occurrence, especially at a
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Speaker 1: sorority or a frat house. So it's really not that
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Speaker 1: out of character that for these kids to be partying
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Speaker 1: like this. However, if you're Brian Koberger, you can certainly
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Speaker 1: latch onto that and try and use it in your defense,
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Speaker 1: especially when you're trying to explain away how your DNA
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Speaker 1: got into that house. So there's going to be a
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Speaker 1: push from Brian Koberger's lawyers to try and use the
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Speaker 1: fact that there was always people coming in and out
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Speaker 1: of this house, basically a transient house, as part of
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Speaker 1: their defense, saying that Koberger could have been there at
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Speaker 1: one of these parties and nobody remembers them, don't think
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Speaker 1: that they're not going to explore all of those pathways
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Speaker 1: because they certainly are. And if they can find something
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Speaker 1: to hang their hat on, as far as something that
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Speaker 1: can punch some holes in the credibility of the evidence
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Speaker 1: that's been provided by the prosecution, that's exactly what they're
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Speaker 1: going to do. And all of this stuff, these trips
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Speaker 1: by the police to the house, the fact that there
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Speaker 1: was always parties there, That's going to come into play
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Speaker 1: later on. And the defense is going to use it
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Speaker 1: to try and sow seeds of doubt about Brian Koberger
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Speaker 1: being the person responsible for these murders. So let's get
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Speaker 1: into this article from Insider and let's see what's going on. Headline,
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Speaker 1: Police visited Idaho murder victim's home three times since August
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Speaker 1: to break up loud parties fueled by White Claw and
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Speaker 1: country music. Fueled by White Claw? and country music? I
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Speaker 1: can't even imagine what people would have said if they
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Speaker 1: came to the parties I was going to in college.
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Speaker 1: Breaking news, they were not fueled by White Claw or
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Speaker 1: country music. This article was authored by Haven Orecchio-Agritz and
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Speaker 1: Nate Schweber. In the months leading up to the brutal
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Speaker 1: killings of four University of Idaho students in November, Moscow
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Speaker 1: police repeatedly responded to complaints of loud parties, at the
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Speaker 1: off-campus house where most of them lived. Now, a good
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Speaker 1: comparison would be to look at the other houses here
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Speaker 1: on Sorority and Frat Row and see how many of
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Speaker 1: them also had noise complaints. Or was this something that
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Speaker 1: was unique to the King Road residents? Police reports from
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood describe young people coming and going from the
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Speaker 1: house where they drank and listened to music. After police
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Speaker 1: spoke with some of the home's residents... Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: and Zanna Kernodle, they left the scene without citing the students.
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Speaker 1: And that's pretty common as well. These campus cops will
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Speaker 1: get called out to these campus parties. And instead of
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Speaker 1: issuing tickets or whatever, they'll come out, they'll check on everybody,
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Speaker 1: make sure people are of age. And then if not,
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Speaker 1: the people who aren't of age, they'll get some tickets maybe.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps they're contributing to the delinquency of minor or
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Speaker 1: something like that. But for the most part, this is
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Speaker 1: what the Moscow police, this is their duties, right? Go
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Speaker 1: to parties, break them up, and make sure these college
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Speaker 1: kids aren't going to ham. So they have been to
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Speaker 1: this house several times, documented, and I can promise you
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Speaker 1: that Brian Koberger's legal team is certainly going to try
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Speaker 1: and use this as some sort of fulcrum. The young women,
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Speaker 1: along with the 20-year-old Ethan Chapin, who did not live there,
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Speaker 1: were brutally killed at the home just before 4.30 a.m.
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Speaker 1: on November 13th, though a surviving roommate, Dylan Mortensen, didn't
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Speaker 1: place a 911 call reporting an unconscious person until noon. So, obviously,
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Speaker 1: there is still a lot of questions surrounding why that
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Speaker 1: 911 call wasn't made until all these hours later. And
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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get a little more context surrounding that by
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Speaker 1: the investigators at some point, because until there's some context
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Speaker 1: surrounding that and some sort of explanation, there's going to
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Speaker 1: be people who run with that and use it as
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Speaker 1: the basis of a conspiracy theory or two. You know
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Speaker 1: how people go and you know how people get. I
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Speaker 1: just saw some dude dressed up as a clown, literally
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Speaker 1: dressed up as a clown on YouTube talking about this. Later,
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Speaker 1: after police found the bodies, Mortensen told police she had
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Speaker 1: opened the door in the middle of the night after
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Speaker 1: hearing noises and a male voice. She said she saw
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Speaker 1: a man she didn't recognize, a figure clad in black clothing,
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Speaker 1: wearing a mask that covered his mouth and nose, according
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Speaker 1: to a police affidavit in the case. Now, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty chilling as much as I've been busting Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: balls over here for being the world's dumbest criminal. If
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Speaker 1: he didn't leave that knife sheath here, it would have
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Speaker 1: been a whole different story, right? They would have really
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Speaker 1: been looking for him still, and probably they wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: found him. Not yet, anyway. Because he wasn't in the CODIS, right?
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Speaker 1: So if you're not in the CODIS, it's a lot
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Speaker 1: more difficult to track you down and find out who
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Speaker 1: you are. And without that knife sheath, they would have
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Speaker 1: had nothing, really. I mean, they would have had a
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Speaker 1: bunch of circumstantial stuff, but nothing that would have added
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Speaker 1: up to them finding... Brian Koberger this quickly. So that
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Speaker 1: knife sheath, it looms large. And for the prosecution, they're
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Speaker 1: going to have to try and punch that home. For
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Speaker 1: the defense, they're going to have to try and explain
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Speaker 1: why his DNA is on the button of that knife
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Speaker 1: sheath and why that knife sheath is in the bed
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Speaker 1: with two murdered girls. She told police the man walked
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Speaker 1: past her as she stood in frozen shock and then
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Speaker 1: locked herself in her bedroom as the man stepped toward
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Speaker 1: a sliding glass back entrance. The timing of the first
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Speaker 1: 911 call, hours after police say the four students were
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Speaker 1: stabbed multiple times, has raised questions about why nobody alerted
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Speaker 1: authorities sooner. And again, look, we all have those questions, right?
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Speaker 1: And until we have the context, unfortunately, we're not going
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Speaker 1: to have those answers. And another thing, they say someone
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Speaker 1: who was wearing a mask, do they mean a ski mask?
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Speaker 1: Or was he wearing like a surgical mask because he was,
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Speaker 1: you know, avoiding COVID or whatever? I think that matters.
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Speaker 1: Because if it was somebody wearing a surgical mask, you
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Speaker 1: could write that off as the roommate as saying, well,
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Speaker 1: somebody visiting my other roommates, somebody I don't know, and
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Speaker 1: they're wearing this mask because they don't want to catch
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Speaker 1: a cold. Now, if it's a ski mask, we're going
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Speaker 1: to have to get the context for why that phone
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Speaker 1: call wasn't placed. But really, when you look at the
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Speaker 1: overall situation and the brutality of the attacks, even if
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Speaker 1: the 911 call was placed right after these attacks, chances
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Speaker 1: are none of these college students were going to survive anyway.
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Speaker 1: And that's how brutal the attack was. So for me,
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Speaker 1: while I have questions why that phone call wasn't made,
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Speaker 1: my anger is reserved for the person who committed these crimes.
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Speaker 1: And that person, according to the authorities, is Brian Koberger.
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Speaker 1: Police reports obtained by Insider and interviews with local residents
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Speaker 1: show the home was often noisy and frequented by unfamiliar faces.
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Speaker 1: This is important stuff here, folks. It might seem mundane
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Speaker 1: and it might seem like, you know, a road that
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Speaker 1: we've already traveled, but it's going to come into play
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Speaker 1: once this trial starts. They're formulating their defense right now
18:37
Speaker 1: as we speak. And with not having much to grasp onto,
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to try and build a whole
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Speaker 1: ass storyline of somebody else who was responsible for this.
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Speaker 1: If they want their client to get off, they're going
18:49
Speaker 1: to have to propose that it was somebody else who
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Speaker 1: committed these murders. Because the murders were committed by somebody.
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Speaker 1: And we know that the authorities say that somebody is
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. And to prove it, they've offered up a
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Speaker 1: bunch of evidence, a lot of it circumstantial, but altogether
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Speaker 1: in the totality of it, pretty strong evidence pointing to
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. Several residents of a large brick apartment building
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Speaker 1: next door described disruptive late night parties with loud music
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Speaker 1: and numerous visitors coming and going through an unlocked door.
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Speaker 1: And again, that's huge. What does it tell us? A,
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Speaker 1: there was an unlocked door all the time. And B,
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Speaker 1: people were coming and going all the time. Certainly going
19:33
Speaker 1: to be key points for the defense. Vincent Sheets, a
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Speaker 1: Lyft driver, told Insider he started refusing to pick up
19:41
Speaker 1: or drop off anyone in the area of the victim's
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Speaker 1: home on party nights because his car had been vomited
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Speaker 1: on and struck with objects there. Well, look, bro, you're
19:52
Speaker 1: a Lyft driver and you're driving college kids home. Do
19:55
Speaker 1: you really think they're not going to throw up, have
19:57
Speaker 1: a bit of a puke session in your car every
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Speaker 1: now and then? You should be prepared for that. I
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Speaker 1: know when I was in college and partying, forget it.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many of my friends' cars
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Speaker 1: I threw up in. He said he previously worked as
20:12
Speaker 1: a caterer at several University of Idaho fraternity and sorority
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Speaker 1: houses and couldn't take it. The amount of drugs and
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Speaker 1: alcohol in this was mind was mind fucking boggling. He
20:21
Speaker 1: told Insider. So I quit. Wait a minute. So hold on.
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Speaker 1: Dude is taken aback that kids in college were partying
20:29
Speaker 1: and doing drugs and drinking. That's pretty crazy. I mean,
20:33
Speaker 1: you would think somebody who lives in a college town
20:36
Speaker 1: would know that this is just how it goes. And
20:39
Speaker 1: for anyone out there thinking that, you know, your kid's
20:41
Speaker 1: not getting down if they're away at college, I have
20:44
Speaker 1: some bad news for you, mom and dad. They sure are.
20:47
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not doing drugs, right? But they're certainly having
20:49
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks, at least the vast majority of them.
20:53
Speaker 1: And if they're not drinking, well, they're certainly at least
20:55
Speaker 1: going to parties, right? So this is pretty much the
20:59
Speaker 1: status quo in college, at least from my experience when
21:03
Speaker 1: I was in school. Maybe I was just a dumbass though, right?
21:06
Speaker 1: Maybe I was just one of these morons who had
21:08
Speaker 1: more fun going out with his friends, you know, to
21:11
Speaker 1: the local Tom and Jerry's and the Moose McGillicuddy's on
21:14
Speaker 1: college night than I should have. But everybody I know
21:18
Speaker 1: who was in college at the time, people who are
21:21
Speaker 1: now lawyers and big shots in the gaming world here
21:25
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, everybody got down, every last one of us.
21:30
Speaker 1: So I find it a little bizarre that Mr. Lift
21:32
Speaker 1: Driver here is bent out of shape that people were partying.
21:35
Speaker 1: Gonsalves was a member of Alpha Phi Sorority, and Kernodle
21:39
Speaker 1: and Mogan were members of Pi Beta Phi. Both sororities
21:43
Speaker 1: are on probation at the University for Health and Safety Violations. So,
21:48
Speaker 1: too much partying going on, stuff like that, and your
21:51
Speaker 1: fraternity can easily get put on probation. And especially now,
21:56
Speaker 1: with the microscope that's on all of these fraternities, considering
21:59
Speaker 1: the hazing incidents and stuff like that. So if you're
22:03
Speaker 1: out here and people are coming home too drunk from
22:05
Speaker 1: your parties or, you know, somebody's reporting you for too
22:08
Speaker 1: much partying, you can find yourself on probation pretty quickly.
22:15
Speaker 1: Country music and spiked seltzers. What in the what? Country
22:20
Speaker 1: music and spiked seltzers? That's what you're worried about? That's
22:23
Speaker 1: what's causing all the chaos in the neighborhood? And for
22:26
Speaker 1: the neighbors who complain about the noise, look, I get it.
22:29
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to live in a noisy-ass neighborhood, but why
22:32
Speaker 1: are you moving next to Fraternity Row? Did you think
22:36
Speaker 1: that these kids were going to sit around all night
22:39
Speaker 1: and not do keg stands, chug beers, and I guess
22:43
Speaker 1: white claws and line dancing or whatever it is they
22:45
Speaker 1: do up in Idaho? I have no idea what the
22:48
Speaker 1: kids are doing up there, but obviously it has to
22:50
Speaker 1: do with country music and Spike Seltzer's, and that's launching
22:54
Speaker 1: people into orbit. You'd walk into a party that we
22:57
Speaker 1: were at when I was younger, forget it. A live band,
23:00
Speaker 1: live DJs, all kinds of wild shit going on. Spike
23:04
Speaker 1: seltzers and country music. Police were asked to respond to
23:08
Speaker 1: a noise complaint at 1122 King Road at 5.40 p.m.
23:12
Speaker 1: on August 16th, about five days before the fall semester
23:16
Speaker 1: kicked off at the university. When an officer arrived at
23:20
Speaker 1: the door that night, Gonsalves answered and told them she
23:23
Speaker 1: was a college senior. He told her he had nothing
23:26
Speaker 1: against parties as long as everyone was of age, but
23:29
Speaker 1: that the music was disturbing the peace and needed to
23:32
Speaker 1: be turned down. At 5.40 p.m., someone's calling and crying
23:36
Speaker 1: about how noisy it is living on fraternity row. Seems
23:41
Speaker 1: to me like that's a you problem, my friend. I
23:43
Speaker 1: just don't get it. It's like buying a house next
23:46
Speaker 1: to a school and then complaining that there's kids everywhere.
23:50
Speaker 1: If he was called back after the warning, he said
23:53
Speaker 1: he would have to give them a ticket and a
23:54
Speaker 1: hefty fine. If I do come back, a $ 300 something
23:58
Speaker 1: ticket is coming your way, the officer said. I'd much
24:02
Speaker 1: rather you spend that 300 bucks on beer or something fun.
24:06
Speaker 1: Police returned to the house for another noise complaint on
24:09
Speaker 1: September 1st, just after 8.30 p.m. As officers approached, they
24:14
Speaker 1: heard music and saw some young women walking down the street.
24:17
Speaker 1: While asking the women whether they knew who lived at
24:20
Speaker 1: the house, officers witnessed other women flee the scene. The
24:23
Speaker 1: report said, oh no, college kids ran when the cops came?
24:28
Speaker 1: You want to know why they did that? Here's my
24:30
Speaker 1: best guess. They were underage and they were drinking. Nothing more,
24:34
Speaker 1: nothing less. I can't tell you how many times I
24:37
Speaker 1: ran from the Jakes when I was younger. Even if
24:40
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything wrong, forget it, I was out.
24:42
Speaker 1: If I'm at some party and the cops came, whoop,
24:44
Speaker 1: right over the wall, see you later, doing my best
24:47
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson impersonation down the street. I have no time
24:51
Speaker 1: to sit around and talk to any cops about any
24:53
Speaker 1: nonsense when I'm 18, 19, 20 years old. Forget it.
24:58
Speaker 1: As I approached the home, I observed a black backpack
25:01
Speaker 1: and case of Truly Seltzer's on the ground outside of
25:04
Speaker 1: the home. the officer wrote. Oh boy, some truly seltzers.
25:08
Speaker 1: They were really getting it in, folks. When a woman
25:11
Speaker 1: answered the door and said she would get a resident
25:13
Speaker 1: of the house to talk to them, officers waited for
25:16
Speaker 1: around 10 minutes before several unnamed men came to the door.
25:20
Speaker 1: They told the officers they would call Mogan, who lived there.
25:24
Speaker 1: A black backpack stuffed with white-claw seltzers was left behind
25:27
Speaker 1: by fleeing partygoers, the report said. Now, these kids, they
25:31
Speaker 1: were like, look, we don't want to get caught with
25:33
Speaker 1: this contraband. We have a whole bag of hard truly
25:36
Speaker 1: seltzers or whatever they're called. We better leave the contraband behind.
25:41
Speaker 1: I explained to Mogan about the noise complaint. I stated
25:44
Speaker 1: she would need to contact her friends at the home
25:47
Speaker 1: and advise them to keep the noise down. The officer
25:50
Speaker 1: wrote in his report, Mogan understood and was apologetic. Before
25:54
Speaker 1: I cleared, I emptied the contents of the abandoned alcoholic
25:58
Speaker 1: beverages on the scene. Another call came in four and
26:02
Speaker 1: a half hours later. Police were back at the house
26:05
Speaker 1: at 1230 a.m. on September 2nd for another noise complaint,
26:09
Speaker 1: this time for loud country music. Now, 1230 a.m., that's
26:13
Speaker 1: a little bit more in the realm of where I
26:15
Speaker 1: think a complaint might be warranted. You know, hey, look,
26:18
Speaker 1: this is loud music. Can you please turn it down?
26:21
Speaker 1: And before even complaining, probably knocking on the door is
26:24
Speaker 1: probably your best bet. But 1230 a.m., loud music, that's
26:28
Speaker 1: a different story than, say, 540 p.m., If the kids
26:32
Speaker 1: are partying at 5.40 p.m., you're really going to complain
26:35
Speaker 1: about that? Take it easy, Karen. One of the officers
26:40
Speaker 1: asked police on the back porch of the house to
26:42
Speaker 1: turn off the music and to speak with a resident
26:45
Speaker 1: of the home, according to the report. Kernodle came to
26:48
Speaker 1: the door. The officer asked Kernodle whether she spoke with Mogan,
26:52
Speaker 1: and she said no. The officer told her this was
26:55
Speaker 1: the second time police were responding to house party there
26:58
Speaker 1: and that if they had to come back, the residents
27:01
Speaker 1: would be cited. According to the report, Kernodle understood and
27:05
Speaker 1: said she would kick everyone out of the home, the
27:07
Speaker 1: report said. And all of this information is going to
27:11
Speaker 1: be used by the defense. They're going to use all
27:13
Speaker 1: this stuff about this house being a party house, transient
27:17
Speaker 1: people coming in and out, people that the roommates don't
27:20
Speaker 1: even know. And then that could explain why Brian Koberger
27:24
Speaker 1: is there or at the very least give an explanation
27:27
Speaker 1: that they think people might believe. Now, if a jury
27:30
Speaker 1: is going to buy that, well, that's a whole different conversation.
27:34
Speaker 1: But at least for the defense, they can try and
27:37
Speaker 1: sink their teeth into this here. Do I think it's
27:39
Speaker 1: going to be a successful strategy? I do not. There's
27:43
Speaker 1: a lot of other evidence that we don't know about yet.
27:45
Speaker 1: And my guess is they have some even stronger DNA
27:48
Speaker 1: evidence linking Koberger to the scene. And if they do,
27:52
Speaker 1: then I honestly have no idea how he's going to
27:55
Speaker 1: find his way out of that noose. Finally, an arrest.
28:00
Speaker 1: Matthew Moy, 22, whose house overlooks the victim's home, told
28:04
Speaker 1: Insider he called in the September 1st noise complaint because
28:08
Speaker 1: he had an early morning the next day. He said
28:11
Speaker 1: he and Goncalves once walked their dogs together and that
28:15
Speaker 1: she was friendly with Mortensen, the surviving roommate. Moy said
28:19
Speaker 1: the three women with their two roommates were pleasant, but
28:22
Speaker 1: had a penchant for throwing parties where country music was
28:25
Speaker 1: blasted throughout the neighborhood. They're college kids. What do you
28:28
Speaker 1: think's going to happen here? I mean, honestly, I don't
28:31
Speaker 1: get it. Like, I don't understand what people think. If
28:34
Speaker 1: they're moving on to fraternity row, did you think these
28:38
Speaker 1: kids weren't going to get it in and party and
28:40
Speaker 1: have loud music? Because that's exactly what fraternities and sororities do.
28:46
Speaker 1: It sounded purely like everybody was having a good time
28:49
Speaker 1: all the time, he said. They were sweet girls who
28:52
Speaker 1: liked having fun. On December 30th, after a search lasting
28:55
Speaker 1: more than a month, Police arrested a 28-year-old criminology graduate student,
29:00
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, and charged him with four counts of murder
29:04
Speaker 1: and one count of burglary. Prosecutors say Koberger had driven
29:08
Speaker 1: from his Pullman, Washington home about 10 minutes away, 12
29:12
Speaker 1: times before the killings. A knife sheath left at the
29:15
Speaker 1: grisly scene contained DNA that was matched to trash at
29:18
Speaker 1: his parents' home in Albrightville, Pennsylvania. Koberger is being held
29:23
Speaker 1: without bail and awaiting trial. All right, folks. Well, there
29:28
Speaker 1: it is. A little more talk about the house and
29:31
Speaker 1: some of these calls made to the house. And for me,
29:34
Speaker 1: it's not so much that it was a quote unquote
29:37
Speaker 1: place where people came to party. It's that. the defense
29:40
Speaker 1: is going to use that and try and harness that
29:44
Speaker 1: into part of their overall strategy. So figured we'd get
29:47
Speaker 1: it into the catalog now so that later on when
29:50
Speaker 1: they bring it up and try and use it in
29:52
Speaker 1: the strategy, well, we have it here already waiting for us.
29:57
Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this one. If you'd
29:59
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30:03
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30:18
Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
30:22
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. We're getting some pictures
30:26
Speaker 1: from the house at 1122 King Road, and the house
30:30
Speaker 1: is now boarded up and protected by security. And that's
30:35
Speaker 1: in a stark contrast to what we have seen at
30:37
Speaker 1: that house previously. Considering it was a hub of activity
30:43
Speaker 1: where everybody seemed to congregate, all the kids would get together,
30:47
Speaker 1: they'd have a little pregame action, party, hang out, have
30:50
Speaker 1: a couple of white claws, listen to some country music.
30:54
Speaker 1: and have an all-around good time. Well, now you look
30:57
Speaker 1: at this house in the wake of those grisly homicides
31:00
Speaker 1: that took place within its walls, and it is very,
31:04
Speaker 1: very eerie. Just mere months ago, those kids were raging,
31:09
Speaker 1: and the whole entire street was filled with people. Now
31:12
Speaker 1: you look at it, and it looks like something out
31:15
Speaker 1: of Baltimore or Detroit, meaning boarded all up, a fence
31:19
Speaker 1: around it, and it's just a sad situation all around. Now,
31:25
Speaker 1: one thing from the investigation point of view, I guess
31:28
Speaker 1: with it being boarded up like this, and when you
31:31
Speaker 1: look at the pictures, you can see the doors boarded
31:33
Speaker 1: up as well. I guess that would mean that the
31:35
Speaker 1: defense is done with the house as far as evidence,
31:38
Speaker 1: at least for now. I guess they could always pull
31:41
Speaker 1: that wood off and go in there and do some
31:44
Speaker 1: more evidence collection. But I don't think that that's going
31:48
Speaker 1: to take place at this point. And if it's boarded
31:51
Speaker 1: up already... I would think that the defense has had
31:54
Speaker 1: their time in there to go about and do whatever
31:57
Speaker 1: it is that they had to do. We know that
31:59
Speaker 1: right in the aftermath of this, there were those experts,
32:02
Speaker 1: the specialists that were employed by Ann Taylor that went
32:06
Speaker 1: to the house. So did they get everything they needed
32:09
Speaker 1: during that trip? Who knows? We have the gag order,
32:12
Speaker 1: so it's impossible to know for sure. But when you
32:15
Speaker 1: look at the fact that it's all boarded up now,
32:18
Speaker 1: That would lead me to believe that everything as far
32:21
Speaker 1: as evidence collection is done within those walls. So let's
32:26
Speaker 1: jump into this article from Fox News and let's see
32:30
Speaker 1: what Michael Ruiz has for us. Idaho murders. King Road
32:35
Speaker 1: home where Brian Koberger allegedly stabbed four students boarded up
32:40
Speaker 1: photo show. Four University of Idaho students were stabbed to
32:44
Speaker 1: death in the off-campus rental home on November 13th of 2022.
32:50
Speaker 1: Like I said, this article was authored by Michael Ruiz.
32:55
Speaker 1: Workers have boarded up the off-campus rental home on King
32:58
Speaker 1: Road where four University of Idaho students were killed on
33:02
Speaker 1: November 13th. Photo show plywood boards over the doors and
33:07
Speaker 1: windows and a temporary fence has been installed around the property.
33:11
Speaker 1: Security teams continue to monitor the property around the clock
33:15
Speaker 1: as well. So they basically fortified it, right? They don't
33:19
Speaker 1: want nobody going in there for sure and looking in
33:23
Speaker 1: the windows. They don't want that to happen. So they
33:25
Speaker 1: boarded everything up to keep people out and to try
33:29
Speaker 1: and maintain at least some order at the scene of
33:31
Speaker 1: this crime. I mean, imagine if they didn't do this.
33:35
Speaker 1: All of the looky-loos, all of the people who like
33:37
Speaker 1: to come and check out murder scenes, all of that jazz,
33:40
Speaker 1: they'd be flocking to this place like it was a mecca,
33:43
Speaker 1: like it was a piece of entertainment television. that they
33:46
Speaker 1: had to engage in. And there's just people out there
33:49
Speaker 1: like that, where they look at these stories, these cases,
33:53
Speaker 1: these horrific murders or kidnappings, whatever, and it's like entertainment
33:58
Speaker 1: to them. And it's very, very bizarre. But you have
34:01
Speaker 1: like murder tours and all this other stuff. So if
34:05
Speaker 1: they left this crime scene unattended, can you imagine the
34:09
Speaker 1: circus that would develop around it? Neither the landlord nor
34:14
Speaker 1: the property manager immediately responded to a request for comment
34:18
Speaker 1: from Fox News Digital Friday morning, and authorities are subjected
34:22
Speaker 1: to a gag order in the case. Now, you have
34:25
Speaker 1: to think, as the person who owns it, at some
34:27
Speaker 1: point you're going to receive possession of your property. And
34:32
Speaker 1: once you do that, then it's going to be up
34:33
Speaker 1: to you what you're going to do with the property.
34:36
Speaker 1: I don't know about you folks, but I don't think
34:38
Speaker 1: I'd ever try to rent it out again. In fact,
34:41
Speaker 1: I'd probably demolish it. And not because like spirits or
34:44
Speaker 1: anything crazy like that, but just the whole vibe of
34:47
Speaker 1: a place like that has to be a downer. Now, again,
34:51
Speaker 1: on the flip side, not everybody's me, right? So there's
34:54
Speaker 1: some people out there that might want to live in
34:56
Speaker 1: a house like that. I know we've seen it before.
34:59
Speaker 1: There's people that want to move into these houses where
35:01
Speaker 1: murders occurred for whatever reason. And hey, great. If that's
35:06
Speaker 1: what you're into, fine. Me personally, I'll pass on all
35:09
Speaker 1: of that. It was a Saturday morning around 4 a.m.
35:13
Speaker 1: when a masked suspect snuck into the home with a knife.
35:17
Speaker 1: The four victims included three housemates, Madison Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves,
35:22
Speaker 1: and Zanna Kernodle, plus her visiting boyfriend, Ethan Chapin. They
35:28
Speaker 1: had been seen partying Friday evening into the early morning
35:32
Speaker 1: hours of Saturday, and some of them were likely asleep
35:36
Speaker 1: at the start of the attack. according to Latak County
35:39
Speaker 1: Coroner Kathy Mabit. Well, that's not exactly what she said,
35:43
Speaker 1: is it? Remember when we first heard the story? Everybody
35:47
Speaker 1: was taking a little solace in the fact that if
35:49
Speaker 1: these kids were killed, at least it was while they
35:51
Speaker 1: were sleeping, like the coroner said. And then you do
35:54
Speaker 1: a little bit more digging and you find out that
35:56
Speaker 1: most of these coroners, if any of them, aren't even MDs.
36:01
Speaker 1: So her coming out and what she had to say
36:03
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of all of this And where
36:05
Speaker 1: we are now certainly doesn't match completely up. Now, the
36:08
Speaker 1: gist of it does, no doubt about it. But the
36:11
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes, that's where it's lacking. She said all
36:15
Speaker 1: four suffered multiple stab wounds and police later revealed they
36:19
Speaker 1: recovered a K-bar knife sheath near a Mogan's body. And
36:23
Speaker 1: when you add that up with the other stuff we've
36:26
Speaker 1: heard from those sources, it just makes a lot of
36:28
Speaker 1: sense that Maddie is the target or was Mogan. More
36:32
Speaker 1: than likely the target. We can't speak in, you know,
36:35
Speaker 1: absolutes because none of us know. But when you start
36:38
Speaker 1: looking at all of this evidence and you peel it
36:41
Speaker 1: all back like an onion, it starts to reveal that
36:44
Speaker 1: more than likely, at least in my opinion, that Maddie
36:47
Speaker 1: was the target. In a bombshell court filing, investigators revealed
36:51
Speaker 1: that one of the two surviving housemates witnessed a black
36:55
Speaker 1: clad masked man with bushy eyebrows leaving out the rear
36:59
Speaker 1: sliding door. And there's a lot of talk that that's
37:02
Speaker 1: where he entered as well. When you look at the
37:04
Speaker 1: door dash driver going to the front door, the fact
37:07
Speaker 1: that that second sliding door had access to where he
37:11
Speaker 1: wanted to go, it makes a whole lot of sense
37:14
Speaker 1: that he would have used the sliding glass door to
37:16
Speaker 1: get in and then to leave. And if his plan
37:20
Speaker 1: would have came to fruition the way he wanted it
37:22
Speaker 1: to without Kaylee being there, he probably would have gotten
37:26
Speaker 1: away with all of this. Because remember, one murder would
37:30
Speaker 1: have been horrendous, right? And it would have been sickening
37:33
Speaker 1: and it would have caused the community to try and
37:35
Speaker 1: find who did it. But would the FBI be involved?
37:39
Speaker 1: When you have a quadruple homicide, however, that changes everything.
37:43
Speaker 1: And as a killer, you don't expect the FBI to
37:46
Speaker 1: be on your tail, right? You commit a murder in
37:48
Speaker 1: a town like Moscow. You expect the local police to
37:51
Speaker 1: be the ones investigating it. Well, whoever did this, the
37:55
Speaker 1: government tells us it's Brian Koberger and the evidence looks
37:58
Speaker 1: like it's Brian Koberger. But whoever did this, well, they
38:02
Speaker 1: made a crucial error in judgment. First of all, to
38:06
Speaker 1: be a murderous dickwad. Second of all, when they decided
38:09
Speaker 1: they were going to murder multiple people. If you thought
38:12
Speaker 1: that it was just going to be the local law
38:15
Speaker 1: enforcement that gets involved with something like that, I don't
38:18
Speaker 1: know what to tell you. Because if you kill four
38:21
Speaker 1: people in their home, that's going to make national news.
38:25
Speaker 1: Then you add to that that there were four college
38:27
Speaker 1: kids in their house just sleeping. Yep, people are going
38:30
Speaker 1: to want some answers. And once people want some answers
38:34
Speaker 1: and there's national pressure, forget it. So I highly doubt
38:37
Speaker 1: that Brian Koberger, if he's the one who did this,
38:41
Speaker 1: ever thought for a minute it would snowball into what
38:43
Speaker 1: we've seen it become. Police say that man was Brian Koberger,
38:49
Speaker 1: then a 28-year-old criminology Ph.D. student at Washington State University,
38:54
Speaker 1: about seven miles away across state lines. He has since
38:58
Speaker 1: been expelled and is sitting in the Latah County Jail
39:01
Speaker 1: in Moscow, where a judge ordered him held without bail.
39:05
Speaker 1: on four counts of first-degree murder and a felony burglary charge.
39:10
Speaker 1: Police allege that Koberger stalked the King Road home at
39:13
Speaker 1: least a dozen times before the attack and returned once
39:17
Speaker 1: more about five hours after the murders, which was still
39:21
Speaker 1: hours before the initial 911 call. And that had to
39:25
Speaker 1: throw him off as well. He shows up back at
39:27
Speaker 1: this house. He thinks he's going to come back and
39:30
Speaker 1: witness his work only to find a house that is
39:33
Speaker 1: eerily quiet still. That must have really thrown him off.
39:38
Speaker 1: They say they traced his car to and from the
39:41
Speaker 1: crime scene on the morning of the slayings and used
39:44
Speaker 1: phone pings to follow his suspected path. And they found
39:48
Speaker 1: DNA on a knife sheath that detectives said was a
39:51
Speaker 1: familial match to DNA collected from Koberger's parents' house in Pennsylvania,
39:57
Speaker 1: where he was arrested on December 30th. The six-bedroom rental home,
40:02
Speaker 1: situated near the University of Idaho's Greek Row, was a
40:05
Speaker 1: known party house with dozens of students coming and going
40:09
Speaker 1: on any given weekend, friends of the victims previously told
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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital. And that makes it that much more eerie,
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Speaker 1: as I said earlier. When you look at this place
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Speaker 1: boarded up, and you know that everybody was getting it in,
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Speaker 1: having a good time, partying, playing beer pong, whatever, to
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Speaker 1: look at it now, not only is it eerie, it's very,
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Speaker 1: very sad. Moscow police body cam videos show several encounters
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Speaker 1: with the victims in the past semester involving noise complaints
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Speaker 1: and underage drinking. The case is subject to a gag order,
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Speaker 1: which itself is currently being challenged by a coalition of
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Speaker 1: media organizations and the attorney for the Gonsalves family. And
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Speaker 1: as you're all probably aware by now, I've started going
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Speaker 1: over the court documents in the media's case against the
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Speaker 1: gag order. As a result, authorities have declined to comment repeatedly.
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Speaker 1: Koberger is due back in court on June 26th and
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Speaker 1: could face the death penalty if convicted on any one
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Speaker 1: of the murder charges. Well, if he gets convicted on one,
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Speaker 1: my guess is he's going to get convicted on all
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Speaker 1: of them. He has not yet entered a plea. But
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Speaker 1: through his former Pennsylvania attorney said he expected to be exonerated.
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Speaker 1: Imagine facing the charges that Brian Kohlberger is facing and
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Speaker 1: having that much confidence where you're running around telling people
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Speaker 1: you feel like you're going to be exonerated. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what, I wouldn't be so confident if I was Mr.
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger. And I have a funny feeling when him
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Speaker 1: and his legal team get that discovery in front of them,
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Speaker 1: they're going to feel the same way. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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