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#122 - Land Act changes, Sonia Furstenau's riding, BC United ads · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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Check Podcasts. Hey everyone, and welcome to Political Capital, your source for
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all the latest in BC politics. I'm your host, Rob Shaw, coming
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to you live to tape from the growing check News media empire here in Victoria.
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A lot to get to this week, so let's not waste time listening
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to me gibber jabber on. We're going to get right into it with the
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panel. Jeff and Ali and Jillian are here as always every week. Thank
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you for being here. We're going to talk about some Land Act changes that
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have people concerned. Polling numbers, BC Green leader's decision to change ridings,
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new BC United ad campaign. There's a lot to get in there now.
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Just we'll start off on the Land Act, which is something we don't really
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even often hear anything about, but out of nowhere changes proposed in a very
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fast timeline here have raised some concerns. Basically, this law governs Crown Land
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that ninety five percent of the province that people apply for permits in ten years
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to do things like hunt and camp and fish and log and mine and swim
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and stuff like that. Decisions made by a minister on what we can do
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now. The government wants to create co decision making models with indigenous governments.
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Some people are concerned that might lead to land access and so called veto issues,
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which we can get into. That word is pretty loaded too, So
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a lot to break down there, Ali, let's start with you. It
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feels like a lot of criticism starts because nobody's really heard about these proposed legislative
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changes which are apparently going to happen this spring. Let's start there. Well,
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that's the big issue. So we should be afraid of how the NDP
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have rolled this out so secretively, and I'm glad we're talking about it because
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this might actually be the only awareness that our viewers are going to get about
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it. And this is absolutely on purpose by the NDP. NDP are pulling
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a fast one on us. And for anyone says that like this is anti
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indigenous, that is exactly what the NDP want to make this divisive with accusations
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that aren't real. But the engagement process isn't real, and that's the big
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red flag. This is ludicrous when we think about a massive drought coming our
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way this year and now we would risk water access instability. I've been talking
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about this potential drought for a while now, mostly because in Alberta Minister Rebecca
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Schultz has been talking about this in a significant way, and so we're not
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immune to those challenges that are coming our way as well. But here's the
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most important thing. The NDP are being very cavalier with our democracy on this
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issue. So even if you don't think that this is an issue that will
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impact your life like obviously like land use, it doesn't impact your life for
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a lot of things. It already has by letting them get away with this
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without proper debate and consultation. But there's a different between talking about taking action
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and removing the voter from the process altogether. There is a vague public consultation
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going on on a kind of obscure part of the government's website. But that's
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the only thing that any of us have really heard about this until it suddenly
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made its way into the media, Jillian, If you flip it around,
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when you talk to indigenous leaders or the minister, the Premier who I tossed
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a question to about this week, they'll say, look, we got many
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court cases that have made it clear the government has a duty to consult on
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anything it does on Crown land. It has to meaningfully try and obtain free
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prior and inform consent on decisions. You're going to end up consulting or in
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court with First Nations on their traditional territory anyways, So why not set out
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a joint decision making process in advance. So that's the kind of counter argument
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from government. Yeah, exactly, That's what the Minister has been saying that
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by having that co management and that consent granted up front for land use,
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that is going to prevent this from playing out in the courts, which can
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we costly create a lot of uncertainty for business. This way, you know,
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you do it at the beginning of the process and then everybody can move
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forward in a way that doesn't you know, put up any roadblocks to whatever
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project it is going forward. I think that, you know, the other
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thing that this does is, of course, is sort of bring the land
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you stack into a line with UNDRIP, which of course all the parties have
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supported. And so I think, you know, from that perspective, it's
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not a surprise. We've always known that the implementation of UNDROP is going to
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be the bigger part of the process after passing the initial Act of the Principles.
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But I think that there is a lot to be desired with this process,
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and it runs the risk of creating a lot of unnecessary controversy. We
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still haven't seen the act, but the fact that we don't know what it
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looks like and that there hasn't been any public engagement or any meaningful public engagement
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creates a lot of opportunity or opportunity for conflict and a lot of risk for
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conflict, especially because I think this is something the government wants to get done
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and they've really only got one more session to go before where the election comes.
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So you know, the problem with that is that it puts First Nations
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at the center of a lot of controversy, whether that's you know, between
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conservation groups or people who want access to the back country. Cali grazers have
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raised issues as well as of course resource companies who rely on access to Crown
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lands to do all of their work. So there's a whole lot of stakeholders
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that are interested in this and they're feeling a lot of uncertainty and that creates
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a lot of fear. So, you know, I think the government has
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a lot to do to sort of reassure people and make sure that the process
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is successful. If this is something they want to see get done this session.
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Mm hmm, Jeff. I mean Indigenous groups and governments and leaders have
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done nothing wrong here, but they get the brunt of kind of the fear
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and criticism that comes when government fails on their communications efforts something like this.
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So how do we get around that? And I mean, like, can
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this thing still land in the spring session with the legislature given what's happened?
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Do you think or what should the government be thinking about here? I think
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it can land. I think it has to art with what Minister cullin Nathan
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Cullen, who is the minister responsible for this is done, which he's acknowledged
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that the government has communicated suboptimally is the fancy word I'd like to use for
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it, poorly right, could have done better. It's committed to fixing that.
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So he's taken every interview he can get, expanding outreach in consultation and
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extending it further than it had been initially scheduled. I think it's important.
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There's a lot of talk about this, there's a lot of opinions being thrown
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around about this issue. I think it's important for folks to know that what
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this change is not is an overnight veto on ninety five percent of BC lands
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for First Nations. What the change is is the government is giving itself the
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power to negotiate joint decision making deals with First Nations about matters affecting First nations.
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This is every one of these agreements would be subject to public consultation.
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The government has been actually doing this for years under other acts, most recently
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under the Declaration Act and also under the former BC Liberal government led by then
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Minister John Rustad with a number of nations. He's promising to not do any
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of this. John going to do any of this now. He was at
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the one at the table the still Cotem Stewardship Agreement, which is a landmark
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in the whole constitutional decision making around the core question around which is do indigenous
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governments have the right to exercise authority over title lands as an indigenous right?
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The constitution is clear, the courts are clear. Every MLA who voted for
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Drippa was clear, Yes, First Nations do. And if the government communication
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has made this difficult, they got to fix it because this is important and
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this is the right thing to do. Yeah, well, it's certainly become
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a political issue. And the BC Conservatives saying they would actually cancel under which
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is they're the only political party out there who's saying they would do that.
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But BC United is saying they don't like this Land Act change and is in
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something that they're supportive of either. So we will keep an eye on that,
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because I want to say on that Undrip, if the concern here is
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about business in the economy, the absolute worst thing that we could do for
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BC's economy is to rip up Undrip and try to push away First Nations who
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are leading some of the biggest and most ambitious major projects in BC and sitting
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them on the sidelines. If you rip up on Drip, like John Russtad
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says you want to do, this, province won't see a thin dime of
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private sector investment anytime soon. Okay, all right, let's move on to
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polling numbers. New numbers from Research Co this week. Maybe not on their
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own of much value, as we tend to say about polls, but in
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the totality we look at other polls, it seems to confirm what we're seeing
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in public sentiment, a meteoric rise of the BC Conservatives at second place in
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this pool. We've seen that in other polls as well. Voter intention here
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at twenty five percent, the NDP around forty six percent, BC United at
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seventeen, and the BC Greens at eleven. And then some voter popularity,
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which will show you on a graph here showing John Rustad at the Conservatives basically
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doubling his approval rating in the last eight months, while everyone else is around
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the same or dropping a little bit, notably Falcon So Jillian. When we
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put this in context all the other data out there, what's important to note
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in the sort of trend lines that we're seeing here. Yeah, I mean,
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I think it really just kind of confirms what we've been talking about for
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a couple of months. There is a huge gap for any opposition party to
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catch the NDP. We also got fundraising numbers for the year end this week.
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MDP is far ahead, almost double the other parties, but the other
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parties are also doing better than I thought they would be doing. The interesting
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thing is the Conservatives, they've been way way far behind in fundraising. They're
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catching up a little bit. They raised about three hundred and thousand dollars in
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the final quarter of the year, which is better for them, but it's
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still, you know, it's about half of what the BC Greens raised,
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it's way less than what BC United and the BCNDP raised, So it's a
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very tough situation to read. Of course, we've still we're still seen those
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sort of low issue approval ratings for the government despite the vote intention. So
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I think this far out from the election, it's a really it's a tough
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one to say where it's going to go because you know, with even though
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the Conservatives are rising and they're second in the polls, they just don't have
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the money to be running a provincial scale campaign. And I think that there's
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a lot of chance that things could change once we get into the election tooral
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cyclemm ali the fundraising numbers, Juliane just mentioned the polling numbers. I mean,
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there's other ways you can split the polls. This one has some numbers
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on voters who supported the NDP in the last elections wanting to stay with EB,
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but voters who backed the BC Liberals generally not as enthusiastic demographics. There's
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also different ways to go at it. What would jump you, well,
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what Jillian mentioned there on the fundraising numbers, it's super important. This is
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the difference between the BC United and the BC Conservatives being able to tell voters
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what are the difference between these two parties? On one side, you have
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one point one million raised in the last quarter by the BC United. Three
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hundred thousand is Jillian pointed out for the BC Conservatives. So are the BC
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Conservatives going to be able to do more with less? Or are they just
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going to be a blimp in all of this. I can't emphasize enough just
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how much you need that donor base during a campaign. Let's think about it
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like an American style campaign here, American presidential elections, even though they have
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overwhelming support, those candidates drop off because they just run out of money,
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not because of support, And that could very well be what happens to the
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BC Conservatives, where they have overwhelming support, momentum is growing, but if
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they don't have that donor base, they will not be able to compete against
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the very aggressive ads that I anticipate the BC United's will do. And I
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know that we're going to get into that topic a little bit later, but
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it's going to be quite the contrast. Jeff, what do you make of
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all this? So I'm looking at that research and there's some numbers that beyond
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the top lines that pop out for me, David Eb's approvals at fifty three
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percent. You know, we talk about the issue approvals and how low they
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are. That's not time for change numbers. That's really in contrast to what
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we're seeing federally, for example, where the Prime Minister's numbers are in the
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depending on which poll you're looking at, are and the teens to the twenties.
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Right, So it feels like the move from John Horgan to David Eb
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at least for now, at this point in time, has satisfied the public's
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desire for any change in the premier's office. The NDP leads in every demographic
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in this you know, by age, by by gender, even by a
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region really strong in the interior and in the North, and is taking it
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to the opposition. When you have a government that's been in power for as
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long as the NDP has, you expect it to be the opposite. But
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that's not what these numbers show. And the one number that I set in
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numbers that I thought was really interesting was just the voter universe, like who
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would consider even consider voting for the other parties, BC, Greens, thirty
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four percent, Conservatives forty one percent. BC United only at thirty three percent,
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So that's not if you don't have enough potential voters to overtake the NDP's
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committed voters. That's a tough place to be a few months before an election.
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In some ways, it's almost it's not great for the NDP to be
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leading in all demographics in all parts of the province. Almost like nowhere to
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go but down. We'd be talking this is back. Goodness if they win
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a majority in the election and say, oh, they lost you know,
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middle income, middle aged women at some point is you know, it's like
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that's tough. Respect. This is a great news poll for bcup because this
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is the great baseline for a comeback story. You know, fifteen percent in
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the polls, there's no place to go but up. Yeah. The only
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other thing I'll just mention at the end the discussion about the BC Conservatives in
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this poll and different supports or lack thereof, of the merger. I feel
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like that ship a merger with BC United anyways, and some voters wanting that,
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some not. I feel like that ship is sailed. We're not really
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talking about it anymore. There's too many candidates out from both parties to slam
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them together and merge now, and those talks never really materialized, so that
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I don't think we'll be hearing much more about that, despite you know,
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some polling numbers there. Let's just go to the carry on from that into
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what Eli had been talking about. There's a new ad campaign started by BC
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United in response, I think, to some of these polling numbers, trying
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to get the United message out. The Falcon message out video so far focused
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on cost of housing and affordability, a new tagline of United we will fix
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It, which I actually think is not bad. It's kind of clever putting
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the party name in a change message like that. I don't know. That
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was just my initial coming together of it. Videos kind of felt a little
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flat to me. But let's just quickly go around a is this a good
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start to what seems like it's got to be a necessary ad campaign? Should
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the party be doing this now or focusing somewhere else, or what is the
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best case scenario for it here? Jeff, let's stick with you on that.
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I think the ads are fine. They're focused on the right issue,
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which is affordability. To weak flank for the government and something that everyone's concerned
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about. I'm not sure about kem Falcon wearing a suit and an empty apartment
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if that's the right look. It was kind of weird, but I wear
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a hoodie when I'm in that kind of thing. But the other the ad
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with the groceries, if you're looking at the ads, that was a better
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one. The slogan they'll fix it, I think it should be fix itself,
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as in, when they were government, they figured housing would fix itself,
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and cost of living would fix itself, and healthcare would fix itself.
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I think their problem isn't the branding, it's the product problem. Kevin Falcon's
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not resonating with voters. His solutions aren't cutting through, and people remember the
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record and it's having a hard time digging out from underneath that. Ali,
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those are all fair, I think criticisms that will be in the minds of
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some voters. Does this ad campaign, in your mind kind of begin to
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address those Well, it certainly launches the campaign. So think about this,
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Kevin Falcon in a room with a thousand people. It's his annual leader's dinner,
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which is where he premiered these ads and the slogan so this is the
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start of their campaign. It's probably on track that they are the first ones
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out of the gate to start campaigning because they need that. And then going
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back to the fact that our conversation about money, they've started now, which
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means that they have nine months of advertising and content creation to do. And
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again this is that difference between where we'll see the BC Conservatives and BC United
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because the BC United will be able to do all the bells and whistles,
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they'll be able to put that on the global on check on CTV, on
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all of it. We're gonna hear radio ads galore because they can afford it,
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and that will be the difference as to how people will hear more of
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Kevin Falken's name than John Russtad's name. So potentially though that this is an
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opportunity for the BC Conservatives to build more of a grassroots campaign, So know
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that that is coming to your TV very soon, into your radio very soon,
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because it's going to have to be a very aggressive ad campaign in order
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to really resonate with people. Additionally, that money could also pay for pivoting
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ads, so that might be the message that they put out there right now.
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But with internal poll a and being able to capture a public sentiment on
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these things. They might then be able to quickly reshoot videos and change course
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depending on what the hot issue of the day is. The Conservatives, though
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they seem to be doing okay on their sort of word of mouth. There
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was some photos of their two piece reaching candidates drawing big, big crowds at
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events up in Duston Creek and elsewhere. So yeah, but versus you know,
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yeah, for sure, the United have traditionally done. Yeah. M
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hm, Jillian, let's bring you in. What do you make of all
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this? Yeah? I agree with you that I think the TV ads felt
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a little bit flat. I think they talk about the right issue, which
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is cost of living, talking about cost of groceries, which is obviously top
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of mind for people. But I didn't see anything in them that really convinced
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me that he's the guy to fix it, like their slogan says. I
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did hear some radio ads that I thought were a little bit more compelling talking
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about how he was successful and getting the Canada Line belt when he was transportation
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minister. I think that that's the gap that they need to close. You
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know, well, they might, you know, it's easy to know what
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issues that people are unhappy about and they want to see movement on. It's
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much more difficult to prove to people that you're going to be a better place
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to fix it. So that's the gap that they need to close right now.
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Yeah, okay, Well, well we will be watching those videos because
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we won't be able to get away from them. They'll be blitzing us all
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over the place with election material from all parties very soon. Let's move to
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b C Green leader Sonia first Know made the announcement this week she's leaving the
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Couch and Valley riding. She's won the last two elections to Victoria Beacon Hill,
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where she'll go up against Cabinet Minister Grace Law. Gillian starting with you
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on that, any idea why she sort of said she's moving her family,
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But I think we've all speculated in the past and be a tough riding to
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keep because her riding was being split in two. But how do we begin
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to sort of dissect this announcement, do you think? Yeah? Well,
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you know, I worked for Sonia for a number of years and I think
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that she is genuine. She's the type of person who's very community oriented and
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wouldn't feel co stable running somewhere that she isn't really connected to and living in,
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and she's moving back there. She lived in the riding for twenty years
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before moving up to Shawn again, so I think that's authentic. I also
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think, you know, looking at the new electoral boundaries with the changes,
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Victoria Beacon Hill is sort of more in line with her previous riding with the
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changes included. Now it's a riding where the Greens come in second. They
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still have a pretty big gap to close to catch the NDP in that riding,
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but it really is a horse race between those two parties where voters don't
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have to worry about voting strategically, and where they haven't had a really strong
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Green candidate since twenty thirteen when Jane Stirk, the former leader, ran and
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she you know, had a gap of about four thousand votes in that election.
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But the difference now, I think is that Sonia first knows proven that
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she's a winner, she's viable, she's been elected, and that can give
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a lot of momentum in addition to just the spotlight and the name recognition and
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all the profile a leader gets during a provincial election. And I think finally
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it's a very progressive riding. Sonya is a real progressive that's really strong on
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progressive issues, whether it's you know, climate change and you know some good
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contrasts with the NDP there with not supporting subsidizing fossil fuels. She's been really
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vocal on healthcare, other you know, cost of living and progressive issues.
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So I think any writing where she was going to run, she's going to
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have to work in given the new landscape. But I don't think it's a
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it's a bad choice. I think it's you know, it is a strategic
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one that puts her close to where the central campaign is, where the center
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of the action is going to be for the provincial election, and I think
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she has a really strong chance of flipping this one. H good, good
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point, Jillian Allie, Let's bring you in on it. It feels though,
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like you know, Victoria Began Hill has a kind of pretty good NDP
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pedigree. I imagine Carol James, a legend in politics, will be out
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there with Grace lare. Uh. It's a tough It's still gonna be a
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tough fight for Sonya first and ho and not not by any means an assured
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victory. What do you make of her going into kind of NDP territory here,
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Well, they certainly made this a writing to watch now. Before it
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was just going to be a shoe and for Grace Law. But now there's
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an added element of excitement, which in thank you Sonia first note for doing
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so, because that's just what keeps us going in a campaign strategy sometimes.
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So I sat here thinking about, like, why why would she do this?
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And the only reason I can think of is, yes, Jillian,
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You're absolutely right with the boundary changes. This makes sense. We're seeing political
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playbooks from before just being torn up. Like we think about Coloonna for example,
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they have a new riding in Colonna's Center, that's the downtown core of
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that area that's more left leaning right now it is actually potentially going to be
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picked up by the NDP, a former center right stronghold. Like none of
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what worked four years ago is going to work this election cycle. So that's
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kind of fun. But the only thing I can think of is that Sonia
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personnel wants to put the Victoria, the Victoria backdrop behind her as she moves
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forward in this election. Meaning I'm thinking I'm guessing that the Greens are going
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to be putting forward some very urban focused policies and announcements so that she can
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compete as not the Vancouver Island champion, but the urban champion and talk about
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the struggles in Victoria and Vancouver, in Cologna and Prince Georgian Kamloops. So
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that's my guess, and that if I'm right, it was a really good
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strategic move. Jeff, let's bring you in. There is a BC Conservative
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candidate in this riding, Tim Tielman, who actually has done a lot of
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work as a lawyer on green issues. I've attended anti sitsee events, He's
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been kind of involved and representing Indigenous environmental concerns too, So that adds.
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It's another political flavor through this riding. As Ali pointed out, now riding
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to watch. Yeah, there's crossover between those two parties in kind of the
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area that you've just flanked there. And I wouldn't discount the strength of Conservatives
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on Vancouver Island. You look at Pierre Pollieva come into the island. He's
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coming for a reason because he's there's wind in his sails federally, and there's
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strong you know, there's strong indications that he's picking up support on the island,
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so I wouldn't rule out Conservatives in any riding on the island, maybe
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less so in Victoria. I think they're probably weakest in Victoria, but elsewhere
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in the island Conservatives are strong. Look Sonia First to Know is a strong
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legislator. She's got a ton of experience, she's got name recognition, and
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she can run where she pleases. So that's democracy, that's her right.
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I wish her luck in Victoria. I also want to point out, though,
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that she's going up against Grace Lare, who is a strong, hardworking,
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progressive, climate focused MLA who is in cabinet, strong community links,
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a very strong donor and volunteer base, one with a twenty five point margin
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of victory in twenty twenty, with more a greater percentage of the vote than
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Carol James got. So this will be a big hill to climb for First
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to Know. She looks to flip it. If I'm a green strategist,
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I'm worried about a couple of signals that this decision sends. I think one
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it displays some panic. It feels to me like a retreat into Victoria because
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out of a sense of I can't win anywhere else other than Victoria, certainly
26:07
not in her own riding. And you know, God, God, God
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loved Victoria. You've got great designer donuts. But this is politics. And
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the only reason that a party leader switches ridings like this is that they've looked
26:22
at the numbers where they're running before and they're like, I'm going to lose.
26:26
I got to run somewhere else and I you know, taken on Grace
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Lare when you have opportunities to take on Kevin Falcon and John Rustad and other
26:36
ridings. Is not a great look for someone who's saying, you know,
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climate is the big issue, and there's you know, you can criticize the
26:44
NDP and and Jillian talked about fossil fuel subsidies, but you know, Kevin
26:49
Falcon and John Rustad are going to tear up the province's climate plan that the
26:55
Greens helped create. You would think that that would be the focus instead of
26:57
Grace Low. But it'll be interesting. We'll see how see it goes,
27:00
if it's going to be a success or Animi Paul in downtown Toronto. Yeah,
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I mean the other the riding that she would have had to stay in
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to be in Shawnigan Lake, which is divided up and now is a weird
27:11
looking riding. It comes down south through the Malahat, it avoids Langford,
27:17
which will be its own kind of ridings now where we're expecting Ravi Palmar to
27:22
sort of continue to run, comes down to Souk and then heads out west
27:26
to Port Renfrew, areas where Sonia first know, had never campaigned before,
27:30
and I think areas that we may see, you know, both strong new
27:36
Democrat and some strong kind of conservative there. So I guess that that must
27:41
have factored into it, although she wasn't really lighting on about that in the
27:45
press conference. So the Greens in general any more thoughts on that. I
27:49
mean, Adam Olson seems like he's probably in a good spot in Sanich North
27:53
in the Islands, very a lot of people looking at West Vancouver Seed the
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Sky, which they almost won in the last election. That's and George Sturdy,
28:03
the incumbent, is not running again. That seems like a really really
28:06
positive almost pick up spot for them. And then Nelson Creston, which is
28:10
has been a hotbed not just because certain strategic geniuses happen to live in that
28:15
area for the Greens. But but you know, the Greens have they have
28:19
some upside in the election. They could they could pick up a couple of
28:22
seats, or they could they could be decimated. They're sort of they're kind
28:26
of, you know, on the fence on either way there. So I
28:30
think there's an opportunity. I think there's an opportunity. I'll be really brief
28:33
and then I'll Jillie, I know you want to jump in, but I
28:36
think there's an opportunity. We've talked on the show about how the summer is
28:40
likely going to be a tough one for all sorts of climate issues. They'll
28:41
be top of mind. The party's won seats in a number of elections.
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Olson and First to Know were good legislators. I think there's absolutely an opportunity
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for the Green too, do you think Yeah, I think those writings that
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you laid out Rober are definitely going to be the top four that they're targeting.
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I think that they have some other things going for them. They had
29:04
a good fundraising quarter we just talked about. I think it was their highest
29:07
fourth quarter ever raised over half a million dollars, which for only having two
29:12
MLAs I think is pretty impressive and something that they've got to be happy about.
29:18
They raised like one point two million dollars, which is another record,
29:21
and talked to their campaign director yesterday and she said that they had a huge
29:25
flood of donations when Sonia announced her candidacy in Victoria. So I think they
29:30
have some you know, some good pieces there as well as you know,
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I think the strategic voting thing, which always hurts them, I think this
29:40
vote on the right being split, especially in places like Victoria, helps Like
29:44
we talk a lot about it helping the NDP, which obviously when you look
29:47
at the polling numbers, it has. But I think it helps them a
29:48
little bit too in some of these ridings where the NDP has used sort of
29:52
the threat of the right to scare some of those like Green and DP swing
29:57
voters, because it just sort of makes it less less easy to make that
30:03
argument to voters less plausible. So I think those I think they also have
30:07
a really strong candidate in Oak Bay Gordon Head Lisa Gunderson, who's awesome,
30:12
and there's obviously enough voters in that riding to flip that seat because they've done
30:18
it a couple of times when Weaver was in. And you know there's that
30:22
issue dissatisfaction too, which creates a really different landscape than we had in twenty
30:27
twenty where it was really you know, a COVID referendum. So yeah,
30:33
I think, like Ali said, Adamalson tweeted this week that he's expecting to
30:37
put out some rental policies, So I think that that is definitely going to
30:41
be part of their strategy targeting younger, more urban voters. Now that both
30:45
of those are you know, they're ridings that they're looking to address. So
30:49
yeah, I think there's there's lots of opportunity, lots of work for all
30:53
three of the opposition parties in the election, but I think they have some
30:56
good building blocks going into it. And the Greens have a have several people
31:03
who are very accomplished now municipal campaigners who've gone through and helped run some municipal
31:08
campaigns around Victoria and the oral campaigns. They know, they know the city,
31:12
they know the region, they know the people, they know the issues.
31:18
You know, Sonny first know is not going to get blindsided by Victoria
31:21
centric issues. It's not like she's coming in out of nowhere. She's going
31:23
to have a team around her. The only problem with that team is that
31:27
they also like Grace Lore because she's very progressive but you know, part of
31:33
the community, and so there's a little bit of that overlap there as well.
31:37
Well you know who, you know who the Greens should try and recruit
31:40
as a candidate. Okay, Julian, I think you know where I'm going
31:44
with former And I said, yeah, that was always a name that got
31:49
floated around for a while. But no, no, I don't think him.
31:55
Get him on green, Get him on green law size in Victoria please.
31:57
I still remember the twenty thirteen election where Ida Chong knew that she wasn't
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gonna win out big Gordon Head. So the Liberals took out a full page
32:07
ad in the local paper saying, if you're not going to vote for us,
32:10
make sure you vote green, just to try to make anyb's chances and
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they did. Okay, Gordon Head went Green and so that was I was
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Andrew Weaver. But interesting happen. Yeah, interesting dynamics in the Capitol and
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some big weight there thrown by Sonia first know. Okay, that is it
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