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  Speaker 1: It's thirty eight.
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  Speaker 2: All bills can win in here, Wake puts it down.
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  Speaker 2: The kick is on the way and dock m the
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  Speaker 2: bell good one? How the hell that one.
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  Speaker 3: Home?
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  Speaker 2: How one? They were a party one not party way? Incredible?
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  Speaker 3: Why not combat by my bell?
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville's perfect record on the line right here.
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  Speaker 3: Quick.
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  Speaker 2: Kicking, look excited.
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  Speaker 3: Touchdown Kyle Williams touchdound amazing, unbelievable. They puttied william who's
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  Speaker 3: has to full back and he scores a touchdown. It's
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  Speaker 3: wealthier to face tackle.
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  Speaker 2: What's good?
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  Speaker 1: Folks, family, friends, loved ones, enemies, frienemies, wizards, which is Muggles,
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  Speaker 1: mud bloods, people of Middle Earth.
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  Speaker 2: To another episode of Disguised Coverage.
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  Speaker 1: The only podcast that gives you an equal amount of
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  Speaker 1: blueberries in each muffin and is presented by the best
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  Speaker 1: Pizza in Buffalo, New York, and that is one PI Pizza.
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  Speaker 2: Find me online menu in the episode show notes.
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  Speaker 1: So they're here on YouTube or whichever podcasting Apple platform
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this show on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, Anthony Proaska.
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  Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore and let's
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  Speaker 1: pro two underscores A n T. In this episode, of
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  Speaker 1: disguised coverage. We continue our departure from our regularly scheduled
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  Speaker 1: content and episode structure and dive into another post Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: Bill's Hard Knocks Show edition episode. Yeah, you know, Hard
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  Speaker 1: Knocks being the season that I don't know why I
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  Speaker 1: blink right there, featuring the Buffalo Bills this offseason, which
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  Speaker 1: is pretty cool and a rarity and something to be acknowledged.
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  Speaker 1: And it also going live every Tuesday night at nine o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: right when this show normally goes live. Figure, we'll keep
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  Speaker 1: on keeping on at least, you know, for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of potentially the preseason. We'll see what happens next week
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  Speaker 1: as the roster gets finalized. I have a special bonus
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  Speaker 1: and or regular episode coming next week towards the back
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  Speaker 1: end of the week with a special guest that I'm
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  Speaker 1: very excited to drop.
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  Speaker 2: But that's all in the future and going forward, I.
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  Speaker 1: Will be doing the postgame show again this upcoming week
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  Speaker 1: following the Bills Week three preseason game, just like we
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  Speaker 1: did for Week one in week two. But again that's
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  Speaker 1: all in the future. This episode, let's dive into this
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  Speaker 1: Hard Knocks episode, and r J already here in the comments.
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  Speaker 2: Also you know. Actually, I'll bring that comment back up.
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  Speaker 1: In a minute, as we did when we did the
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  Speaker 1: post show for the first Hard Knocks episode. Didn't do
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  Speaker 1: it last week, had some scheduling complications. But everybody joining
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  Speaker 1: here live questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, likes, dislikes, anything and
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  Speaker 1: everything you got. It could be about the episode or
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  Speaker 1: not about the episode, Bills related, whatever have you. Feel
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  Speaker 1: free to put it up into the chat, especially for
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  Speaker 1: episodes like this that are kind of more fandom based. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as much engagement as we can and interaction with one
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  Speaker 1: another that it'd be super cool for those of you
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  Speaker 1: who are still awake and dive into this, so I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to put that out there as we did for
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  Speaker 1: the first episode. But going with this comment early on
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  Speaker 1: from RJ saying, by far my favorite episode yet, it
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  Speaker 1: was nice to finally see some dudes that Bills fans
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  Speaker 1: don't know a ton about, I will echo especially the
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  Speaker 1: first sentiment of this from you, RJ. I thought this
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  Speaker 1: was by far my favorite episode as well. I thought
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  Speaker 1: the first two episodes, and we talked about it after
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  Speaker 1: the first episode, but I thought the first two were
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  Speaker 1: really dry and kind of boring, even as a Bill
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  Speaker 1: like after the second one, I was just kind of like, mah,
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: you know, as I mentioned, like, I didn't get to
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  Speaker 1: do the episode last week because I had some scheduling complications,
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  Speaker 1: and like watching it, I was kind of glad I
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  Speaker 1: didn't because there wasn't really much to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of boring. First episode.
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  Speaker 1: I gave it a pass because you know, I was thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of setting the baseline for the team, the season,
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  Speaker 1: the fans, so.
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  Speaker 2: On and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: But then the second episode was really much to do
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  Speaker 1: about nothing, and so I didn't know what to spec
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  Speaker 1: expect to come in Uh oh my god, falling apart.
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  Speaker 1: Probably because we're starting at ten, I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to expect coming into this episode of Hard Knocks, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I liked it. I like to peak behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: in a multitude of ways. The joint practice pieces, some
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  Speaker 1: of Sean McDermott stuff which were going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: in this episode. I really like the Connor McGovern pizza
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  Speaker 1: party stuff, which we're going to talk about I've been
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  Speaker 1: waiting for. I really thought that that was gonna be
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  Speaker 1: something they talked about as soon as I knew Hard
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  Speaker 1: Knocks was announced or.
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  Speaker 2: I'd heard Hard Knocks was announced.
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  Speaker 1: I went back to when Eric and I had Connor
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  Speaker 1: McGovern in the film room. He talked about the pizza
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  Speaker 1: party stuff and I was like, there, God, they have
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  Speaker 1: to show that at Hard knockuse there's no way that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make it. I'm surprised it took it till episode three,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought that was awesome. As James says, the
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  Speaker 1: bibitty Bibity Boby, Yeah, I loved the improv stuff with
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  Speaker 1: the dude in Chicago. I thought that exercise was fun
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  Speaker 1: and cool, and I found myself trying to follow along
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  Speaker 1: with the rules.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought.
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  Speaker 1: The meaning behind it was neat and that kind of
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  Speaker 1: put it over the top rate. But even just from
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  Speaker 1: an entertainment perspective, I thought that was cool. Yeah, this episode,
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  Speaker 1: this episode was a good one, especially especially in comparison
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  Speaker 1: to the first two. This episode was a real good one.
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  Speaker 1: Gordon comes in and says, I love some Ty Johnson. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was cool to see Ty Johnson riding.
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  Speaker 2: A horse with Ed Oliver.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also surprised it took intil episode three for them
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  Speaker 1: to do horse related things with Ed Oliver. We've known
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  Speaker 1: this for a while, you know, or I guess maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's not.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was known nationally because when he was
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  Speaker 1: riding the horse on the street a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: that got shown on a bunch of like NFL Network
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  Speaker 1: and ESPN, and it got covered on social So I'm
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  Speaker 1: surprised it took until episode.
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  Speaker 2: Three to get into that.
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  Speaker 1: But again to teach their own uh with that, James saying,
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  Speaker 1: ankleing off structure, yet staying off structure a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and keep going with this.
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  Speaker 2: Uh uh, you know, post Hard Knocks flow.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens next week as the preseason ramp
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  Speaker 1: that you know finishes, then we're starting to get into
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  Speaker 1: real football type of stuff in terms of roster projection
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  Speaker 1: and everything that'll come forward.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm gonna do the show Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: night next week.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be a post Hard
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  Speaker 1: Knocks episode. I don't know if it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: regular episode. I don't know if I'm just gonna do
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  Speaker 1: the something back end of the week. We'll kind of
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  Speaker 1: see what happens. Eric saying, after this episode, I do
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  Speaker 1: believe McGovern is resigning with US. If not before the season,
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  Speaker 1: before the season, then shortly thereafter, I'm worried about retaining
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  Speaker 1: him and or David Edwards. I know Edwards isn't a
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  Speaker 1: big uh, you know side resigning for some but I
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  Speaker 1: think Edwards is a valuable member of the team. I
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  Speaker 1: don't really want to change much on the old line. McGovern,
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  Speaker 1: I think is a bigger priority. I think it's fair,
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  Speaker 1: fair assessment. He's a I think he's a real He's
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  Speaker 1: an important piece in general because of what he does
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  Speaker 1: from a priest now perspective, how his skill set and
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  Speaker 1: his frame and length fits into.
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  Speaker 2: How the offensive line performs and what they do.
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  Speaker 1: But then from like a glue guy perspective, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: you know, his home and family and him kind of
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  Speaker 1: being a central cog and bringing a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: team together. I don't think you pay guys just for that,
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  Speaker 1: but it is something that I think weighs in come
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  Speaker 1: contract time in terms of not just a guy who
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  Speaker 1: performs on the field, but somebody who's an important fabric
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  Speaker 1: or piece of the culture or the atmosphere or the
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  Speaker 1: ecosystem that you've created. From an off the field perspective,
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  Speaker 1: in addition to on the field, I think This is
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  Speaker 1: a fair point, Ryan say Ryan Saye is Jimmy Charlow.
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  Speaker 1: I think we need to start talking about starting to flash. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's had some flashes. He had some nice,
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  Speaker 1: like actual defensive flashes against the Giants. Had that really
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  Speaker 1: nice special teams tackle that they highlighted in this episode
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  Speaker 1: against the Giants.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a real long shot for him to make.
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  Speaker 1: The squad as a linebacker, but we know this team
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  Speaker 1: values special team and he's had several standout moments from
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  Speaker 1: you know, a camp perspective and from an in game
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  Speaker 1: pre season perspective. He's got the leadership aspect and you know,
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  Speaker 1: being an army guy, things that McDermott and co. Will
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  Speaker 1: probably gravitate towards a bit. From a personality and culture
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  Speaker 1: fit perspective, I think he could be one of those
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  Speaker 1: guys who makes the squad as a special teamer, especially
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  Speaker 1: if he continues to flash in special teams.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll see. Ryan sand also Sean Sure in the
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  Speaker 2: improv he had some pop showing a little personality Sean. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's the A plus comment from Josh Say that
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  Speaker 2: Sean Sean shops at Dan flashes trumentall what Tim what's
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  Speaker 2: Tim Robinson show? This is where I leave you? Right?
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  Speaker 1: I always taget the actual name of it and just know,
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  Speaker 1: like I jumped to it as soon as new episodes
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  Speaker 1: come out on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a good call. Seawn does shop Dan
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  Speaker 2: Flash deal.
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  Speaker 1: I like that Dan Flashes times an NFL partnership that
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  Speaker 1: will be super fire. I agree, I should get them. Ah,
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  Speaker 1: they you should leave, thank you, thank you. Josh Anheim
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  Speaker 1: coming through.
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  Speaker 2: What did I say?
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  Speaker 1: This is where I leave you? That's not a thing?
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  Speaker 1: Is that that's something else? That's a movie, that's a show.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what I said? I don't even know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: falling apart, But yeah, fantastic show. I should get Dan
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  Speaker 1: Flashes to sponsor this show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that can just wear ridiculous shirts. That would be
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  Speaker 2: a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then Gordon saying, yeah, next week will be
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  Speaker 1: cut night, busy day, busy. Yeah, it will be uh
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  Speaker 1: next week at this time, the roster will be finalized.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get you know who's getting put in the
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  Speaker 1: parking lot and brought back later? Who are we permanently
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: saying goodbye to Yeah, next week will be Yeah, I
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: might have to do a regular show.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless Tuesday, Well, keep.
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  Speaker 1: An eye on that, stay tuned to the channel, and
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  Speaker 1: James saying west Point grad. Yeah, mister Jimmy, Jimmy Charlow
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  Speaker 1: is a west Point grad. They're calling him army, they're
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: calling him west Point yeah, nickname things. But you know,
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: mcdermoy probably likes that pedigree, gravitates towards that type of
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  Speaker 1: attitude and leadership and the type of guy that Charloe is.
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  Speaker 2: Type of guy McDermott is what he likes.
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  Speaker 1: I can see him, you know again, gravity towards him
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: and him potentially making some moves on the roster. So
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: let's kind of start through this episode. Josh as Gabe
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Davis coming in for his episode four cameo. That'd be funny.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: Sal says, trading for a safety. Safety is wonky with
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  Speaker 1: this team. They want to give it to col Bishop.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you trade for a safety, you're not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily putting a nail on the coffin for Cold Bishop.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a huge hindrance to his development.
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  Speaker 1: So you're kind of almost permanently or semi permanently putting
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  Speaker 1: him on the back burner. I still think they're just
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: trying to light a fire under Bishop, and they want
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  Speaker 1: Bishop to.
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  Speaker 2: Be the guy.
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  Speaker 1: I also don't think he's at a bad preseason or
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: bad camp. He's just been unavailable again with injury, which
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: is a significant part of this competition, and the best
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: ability is availability. So if you can't be on the field,
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: then not great, not great, not great. Let's start off
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  Speaker 1: kind of just from the beginning, I thought, I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was very ironic that Sean mcdermy opened up with
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: the whole well, the episode opened up with the hunger
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  Speaker 1: aspect of McDermott talking to the team after the Giants game,
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  Speaker 1: and then throughout the episode we got lines of you know,
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  Speaker 1: from different coaches, McDermott, Babbage, different pieces, but the you know,
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  Speaker 1: even Brady to a degree, comments on aggression, playing through
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  Speaker 1: the whistle, you know, the energy, the physicality, the nasty,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And then all of that
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  Speaker 1: to lead into the week where they played the Bears
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  Speaker 1: and just looked lifeless on the field and got waxed,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what, thirty eight nothing just again, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to call it an embarrassment because it's preseason,
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  Speaker 1: but just a poor performance all around. The offense just
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  Speaker 1: really had nothing in the entirety of the game. The
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  Speaker 1: defense got worked a bunch. Yes, the Bears did play
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: their starters, but even when it was twos against twos,
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: threes against threes, it seemed like the game was always
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: in hand for the Bears. And again, like we talked
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  Speaker 1: about in the postgame episode after that preseason game, I
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  Speaker 1: think the Bears were operating with a little more intention
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  Speaker 1: in that game. This is a new coaching staff trying
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to implement regimen and routine and operating rhythms and styles
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: and scheme and structure and responsibility and assignment.
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  Speaker 2: So I do think there.
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  Speaker 1: Is more purpose and more intention to what they're doing
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  Speaker 1: in the preseason to try and instill what they want
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  Speaker 1: in these players, because this is this coaching staff's first
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: real game action in their first gear, and they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to cement and solidify themselves in addition to the depth.
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  Speaker 2: Chart and the roster.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, not necessarily apples to apples when it
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: came to that second preseason game, but it was funny
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  Speaker 1: just all the comments to have this episode of hunger
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  Speaker 1: and aggression and this and that, and then for the
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Bills of kind of just lay an egg. After all that,
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  Speaker 1: I found ironic but also painful, Like seeing the Joe
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  Speaker 1: Brady piece kind of the intention of you know, making
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: sure you help guys off the ground, highlighting you know,
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  Speaker 1: hustle and plays downfield, but again just playing through the
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: whistle on the offensive side of the ball, and part
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  Speaker 1: of that being if you're near a guy on the ground,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: help him up, bring him up. You know, he was
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: highlighting vand of Mark and I think Keyan Coleman for
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  Speaker 1: helping somebody off the ground on tape, you know, So
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: seeing that those little peaks behind the curtain that we
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: continue to see, that's the whole benefit of hard knocks, right,
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  Speaker 1: Getting to see those peaks in the film room, in
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  Speaker 1: the practice room, in the meet or on the practice field,
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  Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms, the interactions, all those different little
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  Speaker 1: nuggets and pieces.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting to see.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of not necessarily interesting, but that little peak of
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  Speaker 1: again Joe Brady's philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to this offense.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard the everybody Eats mantra for a couple of seasons,
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: but again another one that kind of fits into that
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  Speaker 1: nature of selflessness is, you know, playing through the whistle,
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  Speaker 1: helping guys up off the ground. Bobby Babbage gets shown
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  Speaker 1: right after Joe Brady and his exact words, you know,
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  Speaker 1: referencing quote, got to work, aggression, effort, effort, effort, And
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: then I thought it was interesting him saying, this is
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: exact quote, Josh Allen needs to be out on the
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: field after three plays or in less than three plays,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: that obviously referencing the defense wants offenses, opposing offenses to
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: go three and out or they're trying to take the
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  Speaker 1: ball away to give it right back to Josh Allen
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  Speaker 1: in the offense, which ties into his quote that I
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  Speaker 1: led with there for Bobby Babbage in terms of gotta work,
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  Speaker 1: aggression and just what they've been defensively and what Sean
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: McDermott has mentioned. He even mentioned it later in the episode,
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: but you know, the physicality, the nastiness, playing fast. I
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: think this ties into what this defense is which last year,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: as much as the struggles in the playoffs happened again
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: and the metrics that were not kind of the Bills
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  Speaker 1: in the regular season, which I've gone about in detail,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: this was a defense that was all about trying to
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: create havoc plays and takeaways. They were trying to create
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  Speaker 1: a tackle for a loss or a negative play or
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  Speaker 1: a turnover to get the ball back to the offense.
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  Speaker 1: And if they didn't generate those things, the ball was
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: probably getting driven down the field and they were either
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  Speaker 1: giving up.
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  Speaker 2: A touchdown or a fieldal.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't force a lot of punts, they didn't force
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  Speaker 1: a lot of three and out, So I think it's
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: interesting that the takeaway mantra is still there, but now
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: they're kind of tying it into three and out perspective
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  Speaker 1: and trying to get some stops and just anything that
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: they can do to get the ball back to the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Again makes sense. You've got the current reigning and defending
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: league MVP, you've got a good structural, schematically sound offense,
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  Speaker 1: good offensive line, good offensive coordinator who ties in with
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: a good offensive line coach, and how everything kind of
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: gels into one, it makes sense you want to get
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: the ball back asap and in their hands and just
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: keep it away from the opponents and their offenses. But
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: hearing that specifically them kind of preached that. Again, we
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: didn't have hard knocks last year for full loud car outside,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: so for all we know, this could have been the
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: mantra that they preached last offseason, but specifically tying into
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: the three and out piece. I thought that was interesting
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: from Babiche Again, Josh Allen needs to be out on
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the field after three plays or in less than three plays,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: so they're trying to force it three and out or
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: take the ball away on first down or second down.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: And if Josh points out punts are turnovers two, it's
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: a fair way to look at it. They didn't force
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of those last year was really honestly, it
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: was really either like I said, like interception fumble so
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: some sort of a takeaway, or it was points.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Their drive stats weren't good, their advanced metrics weren't good. Again.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: They were good at forcing you know, runs for zero
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: or less yards. They were good at generating turnovers again,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: which is a metric that's hard to consistently be good at.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: But this was the defense that got moved around a bit,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: pushed around a bit. Game script was their best friend.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So the little people behind the current again to kind
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: of see what they are pushing.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: This year got some.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: James Cook propaganda in this episode. Didn't get as much
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: last week. When it came to the holdout like or
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the hold in like, I thought we would. Instead, we
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: got a good amount of James James Cook content in
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: this episode, and I don't know, in typical kind of
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Bills fashion, it was all smiles, sunshine and rainbows.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: It's just, hey, we got the deal done. You know.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Bean is talking to the assistant, the assistant to him
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: telling her that they got the deal done. She's pumped.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Bean's talking to Cook's agent. Cook comes in, you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: just your general, you know, dap up, happy for you,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: good job, excited for you to be here. Let's go
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to the contract signing. Make a joke about how he
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't smile. Ha ha ha James Cook propaganda, not in
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: a negative way, but was just kind of eh. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: didn't expect. I still wanted more from the hold in perspective,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: we didn't get that.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bitter because of that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I thought that would be a fun nugget to see,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: especially for how dry episode two was.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: It would have been nice to get that piece. We didn't.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Instead, we just get the post contract signing. You know again,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: propaganda and being echoes the sentiment that he continues to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: echo of draft, develop and extend our own another reference
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: for that as my notebook over here. Next little piece
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: took us three episodes to get at Oliver horse stuff.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I thought we'd get it earlier.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that he named pretty much
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: all of his horses, said that he owns up the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: thirty horses now at this point, but it took a
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: while to get again more personality kind of showing. I know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: in the early in the first episode, we got Dean
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Dawkins and we got some you know with him and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: his family in the cars, and we got some Trey
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: White pieces and the trade a Sunday at Pittsford Dairy
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and him and Benford kind of interacting there. But some
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of the personality aspects, I thought we'd get more, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: this episode was really kind of filled with that to
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: a decent degree. You got the Ed Oliver horsepiece that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: focused on Ed, but then him and Tie kind of
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: riding through the story's attached to it, the joking like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that got a good segment and then mentioned earlier. Yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the Conor mc governed pizza party aspect. I'm surprised it
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: took this long, but I guess it didn't. It makes
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: sense that it took this long because they had to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: wait until they got back to Buffalo for them to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: do that, so, you know, I backtrack a little bit.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I will take that back. It makes sense that they waited.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: This long, so I think this was really kind of
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the first opportunity for them to show that. Talked about
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: in the intro to this episode, Connor McGovern told Eric
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and I about the pizza party stuff. Well, we had
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: him in the film room earlier this year, and man,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I've just been so focused on it, and he even
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: showed some of the one of the aspects we talked
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: about in an episode where not only so first off,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: he makes a ton of different kinds of pizzas, which
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: they showed in this episode. He talked about it a bit,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: but he makes like pizza muffins, and they showed it
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: really fast, Like he had the muffin tin and he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was putting cheese and pepperoni and doll like he makes
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that in the tin, and he was saying, like, that's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: one of the most popular things. Essentially, they're just like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: pizza muffins. I saw a bunch of the dudes showing
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: out in that. A lot of the defensive line, the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: offensive line. I think Dawson Knox was there. I also
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: respect that everybody left their shoes at the front door.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: We're not rocking shoes in the house. Respect that I'm
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: of the same cloth and cut there, but yeah, it
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was cool to see that little piece, more of that,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: more personality instead of just I know episode one and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: two were episode one in two again, maybe they're kind
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of finding the rhythm, but it just felt kind of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: devoid of personality and devoid of those peaks behind the curtain.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And the pizza party thing was cool. Again, probably I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: might have liked that more than anyone else, just because
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of knowing about it for a while and Connor McGovern
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: telling that to Eric and myself, So I was expecting
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that and hoping for it at some point in Hard Knocks,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and it was cool to finally get that at Aliber
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: horse thing.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I don't really care that he has horses.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Good for him, But again, little personality, especially one of
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the bigger guys on the team, one of the more
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: guys on the.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Team, interesting to see.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And then again tying into the Sean McDermott piece early
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: on with the hunger aspect and talking about guys not
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: showing it yet and him expecting a little bit more.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Bobby Babbage talking about aggression, we get another Sean McDermott
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: quote where he's talking about preaching energy.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: You know, he talks about.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Physic being physical, nasty, making plays, flying around, earning the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: right to play on this team, earning the right to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: be on the depth chart and climb up the depth chart.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: He talks about Jimy Charlote for making that nice tackle
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: on special teams and then literally says in front of everybody,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be getting more snaps this week, and he's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: gonna get more work. And he literally shows kind of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the you know, cause and effect of if you and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: he literally says it something to the tune of if
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you make plays, you're gonna get rewarded, You're gonna get
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: more action, You're gonna see more snaps and more opportunities.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And him quantifying that I thought was interesting.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And this whole again, it's ironic hearing all that and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: seeing all that, and knowing how flat the team was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: against the Bears and how much they got rocked in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that preseason game. But him preaching these messages, I do
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: think to a degree to somewhat part of the course.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: We get the mantos every year play you know, it
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: was playoff caliber and now it's championship caliber, and it's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: been championship caliber, but they still tie in, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: winning the division and winning each game and taking it
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: day by day and you know, doing the small stuff,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but him really driving home with everyone energy and earning
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, what you get and preaching energy. And I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: just wonder if some of that isn't part of the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: course with him, and if he is feeling like there
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is some complacency with this team, or if he feels
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like guys are resting on their laurels a little bit
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and he's not seeing what he needs to from the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: team as a whole or certain you know, force multiplier
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: kind of guys or guys that hold you know, a
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: tone setting sample on the team.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: And even speaking of tone setting, we.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Saw Bobby Babbage kind of light up the defense verbally,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you know, saying leadership and ef and tone setters.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: This period here better be an effing ass kicking.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That was in reference to the defense not showing up
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and playing well in practice in the joint practice, I believe,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and him just really or no, not the joint practice
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and him just getting after them for not showing up.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was an interesting theme throughout this episode,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you know, Babbage going hard literally in a practice because
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the team isn't shown up the way they need to.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And then McDermott just in general, you know, waxing poetically
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: about energy and earning the right to play and all
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: these pieces kind of tying back to again, could be
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: just regular part for the course. It could be the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: verbise that he uses all the time. But maybe there
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: is some complacency that's crept into this team. Maybe he's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not seeing the fire that he normally sees. And we
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: know how much effort and culture mad to Sean McDermott,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and as James puts in the comments there, yeah McDermott
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the motivator. Yeah, it could be nothing other than him
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: trying to motivate and trying to drum up motivation. Could
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: be maybe they're not getting enough white board material and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you know, or not white board material, poster board material
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: where people are doubting the bills or talking poorly the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: bills and he can't take it and just put it
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: up there and be like, see, look at the Bolton board.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Look at everybody doubting us.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So maybe he's trying to find other avenues and other
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: ways to motivate guys and.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Push this team forward.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Especially as they have had a lot of success the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: pass several years. I know there hasn't been a super Bowl,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but five straight division titles, multiple AFC Championship appearances. You
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: now have the league MVP in house, and you're being
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: put on national television on a series that you know
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is pretty rare to be a part of. So maybe
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: he's just trying to do anything and everything he can
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to make sure that that complacency doesn't creep in, or
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that guys don't take their standing and their stature for
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: granted potentially, But yeah, Derman the motivator. Yeah, this is
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: an interesting comment from Josh. I didn't write it down
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: because I kept I was rewinding a bit to get
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: some quotes. But then I realized if I kept doing
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that for everything, that I was going to end up
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: being like fifteen to twenty minutes behind everyone. But Josh
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in the comment says he did say he was quote
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: not seeing people bring energy they usually bring in the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: episode or something like that.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was early on.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting him and then he transitioned
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to that or from that by saying, you know, talking
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about hunger and wanting to see guys being hungry and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: bringing it. Yeah, and him specifically saying that, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: guys that usually played at a certain level or bring
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a certain level of energy or hunger weren't. I wonder
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: who he was talking about, and I wonder what he
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was seeing. And I wonder if it was a reference
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to the preseason game.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Because he said that after the Giants game. I believe
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That game was on a Saturday, and based on what
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he said, he said the day after and then today,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: so I believe it was Monday. I wonder if it
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: was game related. I wonder if it was practice related.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder who they you know, he wasn't and he
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: mentioned too, like guys like a higher stature not bringing that.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder who he was talking about. I did find
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that very interesting. Thank you for pulling back that nugget.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't remember exactly what he said and I didn't
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: write it down. That was very interesting and it tied
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: into that hunger piece again. He transitioned right to the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: hunger piece right after that. Another piece, Linebackers coach coach
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Hokum mentioned another three and out related aspect. He talked
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: about understanding the importance of three and out and take
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: away again tying into what Bobby Babbage is preaching when
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: he talked about earlier, where again he said, quote, Josh
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Allen needs to be out on the field after three
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: plays or in less than three plays. This defense again
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: is looking to cause havoc. They want to generate turnovers,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: which is the norm for them. That's what they've been
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: about the past several years. And again last year it
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: mattered a ton, but another tie in with the three
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and out piece, tying into just getting the ball back
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in whatever way, shape or form. I wonder if they
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: preached that last offseason. I wonder if they didn't, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: then just self scouting this offseason knowing that they were
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: towards the bottom of the league in three and outs,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: they were towards the bottom of the league in you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: drive length and plays per drive and new series that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: were generated points per drive, all these advanced metrics that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: just were not ideal. Yeah, but then super high and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: turnovers for drive, super high and stuff rate because again
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: they were generating negative plays, tackles for zero or less
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and or runs for zero or less.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I guess tackles for zero less falls into it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: As well, but runs of zero were generating takeaways, So
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: continuing to preach that mantra of how important three and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: outs are to this team and just all tying back
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to Josh Allen in this offense getting the ball back
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to the offense.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Also, like the.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Little nugget during the Bears game of Sean McDermott kind
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of go into whoever that is that like walks with
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: him on the sideline and he just kind of says
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: things it has the guy like make notes of it,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: but he said, quote, the line of scrimmage on both
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: sides of the ball not good enough, and then he
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: tells the guy he's like circle that. So I don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: know if that guy like takes it. Might be a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: quality con guy who just writes down or takes note
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of McDermott's like most important or poignant thoughts or notes
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in game so that McDermot can circle back to them
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and kind of bring that forward to the team, whether
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's in meetings or on the practice field or whatever
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: they got to do. So I thought that was very
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: interesting as well, the little peaks that we got in
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: this episode. But you know, anybody questions, thoughts, comments, concerns,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: feel free to put it up into the chat.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But I thought this episode again was a lot more.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I thought I had more life to it from a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: personality perspective, and I don't think I'm grasping its straws
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: with some.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Of the more.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Again, we're not gonna get a ton of scheme and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: structure and peep behind the curtain in that regard in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: these episodes, especially for the Bills, who are tight left
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: about as much as they can be. But the banging
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of the drum with McDermott and Babbage and even coach Hokum,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: with everything tying into playing fast, having energy, aggression, three
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and outs, taking the football away. I wonder if any
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that ties into again some of the things we've theorized
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: on this show, what we'd like to see from the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: defense this upcoming year, where it is, hey, are they
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: gonna blitz more? Are they gonna play more?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Man? Are they gonna press more?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Are we gonna see more creativity and more schematic variants
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: up front where you know, yeah, they're gonna bring some sims,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: They're gonna bring some creepers.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: We're not just gonna get the standard four down overfront
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: zone coverage behind it. Is it all in this mantra,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: in this mold that they're kind of preaching and going
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: towards this offseason and in camp and in preseason, or
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: is it still gonna be the same old Bills defense
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that we've seen, especially seeing, you know, not the best
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: performances from them to start the preseason. Again, I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be very vanilla. They're not gonna show their
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: hand if they are tweaking things and bringing about new
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: scheme and I don't wanna say identity, but philosophy shifts
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: or tweaks, We're not gonna see that in the preseason.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: They're not gonna put that on tape.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: They're gonna kind of pry and keep that close to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the vest and bring it out come regular season. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: don't even know if we'll a ton in the first
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: six weeks because they'll be minus Larry Ogunjobe, they'll be
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: minus Michael Hoyt, who is a big schematic chess piece
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: for what they can do because of his versatility and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: all the hats that he can wear, not just on
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the line but even at the second.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Level as well.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But those cults really stuck out to me that aspect
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of multiple times several different guys. A granted all defense,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: but talking about three and outs, takeaways, aggression, energy, playing fast,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: physical all, you know, using different synonyms and different keywords
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and buzzwords associated with that overall philosophy and mindset and identity.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I think that was an interesting point to glean from
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: this episode, that talking point, that pinpoint, that identity aspect
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: for this defense, especially again considering the struggles that they've
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: had in the postseason the past couple of years. And
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: they hear that, they know that, you know, we got
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the peek into Brandon Bean wild'n out on WGR earlier
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: this offseason, and I think that's somewhat reflective of They
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: do hear some of the outside noise and the criticisms
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that are kind of late at the team's feet for
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: their failures and their shortcomings, and you know, I to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: some degree, they hear the noise of man, the defense
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: hasn't been good enough, the defense isn't enough. The snuff
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen balls out in the playoffs, or the offense
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: balls out in the playoffs, and the defense doesn't get
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it done, YadA, YadA, so on and so forth. Sean
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: mcgermy' is supposed to be defensive coach and he comes
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: up short, so on and so forth. Maybe they're hearing
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that a little bit. I don't think this is, you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: grasping its straws too much. I think is maybe trying
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to connect the breadcrumbs a little bit and pick them
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: up and kind of put that whole puzzle piece together.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But this episode I thought was really good overall. We
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: got some fun charismatic aspects with Ed Oliver and the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: horse stuff. We got some.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Cool peaks behind the scene with the Petz party aspect.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: The improv thing again, I thought was so cool. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: just thought that exercise was neat. I thought how much
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the team was into it was cool, even with the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: dude said to kJ Hamler after Hammler got eliminated and
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he said to him, you know, like you're like a warm,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: soft brick wall or something like something that like didn't
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: make sense, and Handler was laughing about it after, but
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the guy was so genuine. I thought the exercise was cool,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the purpose behind it was cool.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: It was entertaining.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: There were several really entertaining moments throughout this episode from
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a team and a personality perspective.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And a culture perspective.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And then again I think those little nuggets tying into
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the defense, tying into some of the things that Joe
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Brady likes to see. Even you know, a schematic little
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: nugget that Joe Brady dropped in there talking about Josh
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Allen Alan makes the joke like, oh, you're so smart.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Ah, you're so good at this.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But right before that, Joe Brady talks about, you know, hey,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: like we've been throwing these incuts. That's also something that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: we noticed in camp, you know, more inbreakers, attacking more
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the intermediate, trying to work more in between, the numbers
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: not being reflected there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: So again, all these little breadcrumbs try to pick up.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It's not just this episode is fun and it is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: more again lax when we talk about it here on
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the show, than it is the normal film breakdown we
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: have in advanced metrics and scheme and structure and x's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and o's and breakdowns and everything that we have. But
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I thought this episode was fun, a lot of peaks
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: behind the curtain from a personality perspective and a culture perspective,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: but potential real little nuggets at the same time. Comment
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: here X says, if the defense can get four to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: five stops. I'll put my money on Josh Allen and Joe.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Can they though, in reference to the defense getting those stops,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that's the big question. I have several questions about this
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: defense just from an identity and philosophy and roster building
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and body type perspective. My biggest frustrations with it is
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna get my answers until like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: week eight or nine or ten, once Hoyt and Oak
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and Joe we are back. I don't want to give
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: them a pass early on, but knowing that they're going
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to be without two important pieces that they added, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: one of them having a lot of schematic relevance, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Michael Hoyt, I just wonder. I wonder if the defense
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that we see for the first six weeks is vastly
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: differ than the defense we get once White, Nogan Joe
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: come back, and it could be positive or negative. Like
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the negative defense could be lights out to start the year.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: They could be more lights out. They could be terrible
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to start the year. They could get better. But I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: do have questions about this defense just from what they
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: how they operate, from a identity and philosophy standpoint, but
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: also from how they're built and if they get pushed
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: around in the run game or not in their spine.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: We saw it a.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Little bit in the game against the Bears. Granted at
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Oliver didn't play, de Quon Jones didn't play, but some
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: of those rookies and those second and third wave dudes
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: on the interior that they're going to need stuff from
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: got pushed around a bunch against the run vertically and
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: horizontally and got displaced and blown off the ball.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And that's been my biggest concern for that interior.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Especially when you have a second level of Matt Milano,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Terrel Bernard and Tararon Johnson, guys who are smaller in
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: stature even though they may play big, and you don't
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: want dudes climb into the second level against them. You
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: don't want your defensive tackles get knocked back, you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: three or four yards off the ball and or being
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: able to climb and get into you know, the kitchen
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of those second level dudes. I think the defense, I
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: have a lot of questions for the defense. That is
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: where my eye is the most. The offense for me
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: this year is more of all what tweaks or updates
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: do they have defensively?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: For me, it is.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: What happens at safety, because I've had worries about that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: all offseason, and then what happens in the spine of
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: this defense in addition to do they play more man?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Do they try to restrict airspace? Do we get more
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: sims creepers? I have a lot of questions for this defense.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Can they sure? Will they? We'll see.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I do have questions because it seemed like they kind
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of just leaned into more of the body types than
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that they've had previously. What doesn't which doesn't really quell
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the issues they had last year. But if they marry
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that with more schematic creativity and variants, you could.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Balance it out a little bit. So we'll see.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Josh says, I think with the defensive overhaul being driven
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: by youth, will need to be patient seeing the defense
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: evolved vanilla because that's what they're capable right now.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: You know, you do want to get the core concepts
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and the install pieces down. But I do think a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: lot of it is, Hey, we're gonna go out there
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and play our base coverages and not have too much
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: variation because we don't want to put that on tape,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like they don't care.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: That the bear.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Again, they want their guys to perform right, but they're
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: not gonna schematically do it. And also you want to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: keep things kind of like for like you want to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: see if you're playing, we're just playing basic cover three,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: how do all your corners perform in that regard instead
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we're gonna blitz with this group.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna blitz with this group.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do, you know, five minutes with this group,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: then we're gonna do simulated with this other group. You
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: do want to keep it kind of apples to apples
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to get a fair evaluation. You don't want you don't
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: want too much schematic variability being responsible for dips or
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: ebbs and flows in play for guys positively or negatively
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: again ebbs and flows. But I do think a lot
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: of it is just it's pre season. They're not going
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to show their hand for whoever they're gonna be, whatever
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be, they're not going to show their hand.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And again, some of it ties into keeping apples to apples,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like I just said, but it is gonna state Manila,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: they're not going to show too much. James says, do
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you think Ingram makes the fifty three next Tuesday? I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: really like JaMarcus Ingram. He can play inside, he can
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: play outside. He's good on special teams.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I hope he does will see.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I thought he played well, and you know, I think
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people forget too that he was the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: dime dB last year when they had injuries in the secondary.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: He was the guy who came on.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: He was that sixth dB that came on the field
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: early in the year, and he made a couple of plays.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: He had the pick six against Miami. He had a
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: strong play in the preseason. I don't mean like an
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: individual strong play, like he played well in the preseason.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: He had a couple of really positive flashes to start
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the year. I like him. I think he brings special
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: teams value. He's one of the nastier dudes on the team.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: He's got great and he does have some inside outside versatility.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I would like to see him on this team. Do
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I think he makes it?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: It's tough. I think he could be one of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: core special teams guys.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And then because he has some versatility and some you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in game experience, where where.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: He somewhat proved himself. And this even goes back to
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Him and Benford were the
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: starters in.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: That Week two game against Miami once Kyrie Eland went
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: out or Benford went out.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think he does make the team.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be one of the core special
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: teamers and because of his inside outside versatility that he offers, Yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I think he'll be there. R J says, Ingram is
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: a permanent practice squad guy. Yeah, I think he's a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: dude that. I also think he's a guy that if
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: they cut could come back to the practice squad. Like
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that is gonna get
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: claimed anywhere else. And he's a culture guy. He likes
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: being here. He's twenty seven years old. This is the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: team he's been around. I think he either made I
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: don't think he leaves the team.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I should say that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I think he either makes the fifty three or he's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a practice squad guy. But like McDermott said, there are
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be a handful of guys that make the team.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I think he said like three, there's gonna be several
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: guys that make the team. Just because of special teams.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think Ingram could be one of those guys. So
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I don't rule him out for making the actual fifty
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: three because of the special team's piece and because again
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: he can contribute snaps on defense. May not be a
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: high ceiling guy, but he can contribute snaps defensively inside
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and outside, in the slot and outside CB. He started
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: out as more of a slot guy and got more
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: work outside as the years have passed, and then the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: special team's value.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Have that, Josh says, yes, Sorry, I'm in like practicing
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: your base packages right now because that's also what needs
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to work. Yes, we're on the same page. Apologies if
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I made it seem like we were not. Rodney says, well,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: this'd be the year Josh throws the ball out.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Of the Ralph. I wonder if he. I wonder if
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: he could, depending on where you put him.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming even if you put him the end zone
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and like made him throw it, I think he I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: don't know how hot.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Is that crazy to think that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: He could throw the ball at the stadium? Is that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a ridiculous notion? Is that a ridiculous thing to think
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that that could possibly happen. I know this is obviously
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a joke, but like I feel like it's like the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: strongest arm.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: QB in the NFL.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Not saying he is, but he's up there could chuck
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a ball at a stadium, like if they got close enough,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: depending on what stadium you're playing, and I feel like.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: The Bills end zones aren't the highest.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: That would be tough though at the angle the trajectory
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you gotta get plus the velocity. Somebody who's a science
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: person tell me if that's crazy or not, but it'd
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: be fun.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Mister Smith says, who is your surprise starter at safety?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I don't have one.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Taylor rapping Cold Bishop unless
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Rap is hurt and Bishop is hurt, and then if
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that's the case, I think.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I guess the coccount is a surprise. I think if
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Taylor Rap or Cold Bishop are hurt and aren't the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: starter at safety, I think they want those guys to do.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: If both of those guys are healthy, those are your
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: starters at safety. If either one of them are hurt
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and don't start or can't play in a game, I
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: think Cam Lewis is the next man up for the starter.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I think Hamlin has been bumped down the depth chart.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I think cam Lewis is safety three. I don't know
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that'll be a surprise for but I think that will be.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people think of cam
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Lewis and think they think of Damar Hamlin, Jordan Hancock,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Derek Forrest. I don't think people see Lewis as that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: even though he because he's like the backup nickel and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: backup safety. I think cam Lewis's safety three, and I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: think if Bishop or Hamlin are hurt, or if Bishop
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: just isn't up to snuff, cam Lewis becomes that starter
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of safety. Josh says easily can get the ball out
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of the stadium at the end zones, right. I think
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that's not crazy. Jason says he tried throwing the ball
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: out of the stadium either his first or second season.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: He didn't how close did he get. He didn't make
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: it right. I feel like I would know if he
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: made it like that would have been a big thing.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: But that's that. Yeah, that's not crazy.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Art He says, there literally isn't a strong arm ever
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: recorded when it comes to Josh, he sent a ball
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to the three hundred level once after TIV But I've
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: seen that for other quarterbacks, Like I don't know who
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: who currently has the strongest arm in the NFL, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Allen's probably up there from a velocity standpoint, and especially
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: with his mechanics, I.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Would like to see. Yeah, I feel like he could
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: throw the ball out of this. I think there's a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: couple guys who potentially do that. I just really hope
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not crazy for thinking that, Yeah, that could happen.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say I could happen. Rodney says, do
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: we go after Simmons or Marcus Williams. Marcus Williams has
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: been banged up the past couple of years. Simmons is
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: more pass.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Coverage than he is run defense, even though he's not
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: a bad run defender.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they go after anyone, because again,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: if you do that, essentially you're bumping Bishop down and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever recovers. And I don't
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: know if they're in the spot to give up on
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Cole Bishop right now, rightly or wrongly. I'm not saying
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: that they're right for doing that or wrong for doing that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they're ready to give up on
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Cole Bishop, which is what would happen if you bring
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: in Justin Simmons. Again, it could be just depth. You
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: want somebody to solidify your safety three spot, but he's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: not gonna play teams.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: He's just really in the safety room. Are you going
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to bring in a guy.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Just for that to have a roster spot for that
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: or are you bringing him in to be more of
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a starter. Again, If you're bringing him to be a
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: more of a starter, then I feel like it's not
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: curtains for Cole Bishop. But it's really hard to come
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: back from that. Again, that doesn't mean he can't become
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the starter next year and turn into the player they want, but.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: He needs time on task.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And if you don't give him that and replace him
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: because of play, or if you replace him when he's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: healthy and can be out there, I just don't think
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: they want to go down that road. They want it
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to be Rap and Bishop. I think they're trying to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: light a fire under Bishop more than anything. And again
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think Bishop's been great when he's been out there,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: but he hasn't been terrible or awful. The biggest thing
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: is he hasn't been out there. We haven't seen him.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest indictment. And that's a whole noother conversation,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Like if they think that he's going to continuously be
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: injury prone or he's got injuries that are going to
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: prevent him from being able to stay on the field
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: with regularity, that's a different conversation. That's a horse of
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: another feather. Then I think maybe you do potentially bring
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: in someone. All I know is I don't like. I
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: just don't like to see I've talked about it so much.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I don't like the safety, like like the I like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: some of the players individually or in a vacuum. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: don't like it as a group. I don't like the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: various combinations. And I'm wary of whoever the starters are,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: exus how many linebackers make the team. I like Jenkins
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I like Keanthon Jenkins forty nine. He's basement
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: sweet and charlo. I see big hits on special teams
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: in their future. Yeah, I can see that it's just
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: gonna be tough if we're looking at it right now.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I said this quick.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Milano makes it, Bernard makes it. Dorian Williams makes it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I think Joe Andriesen makes it. That's four. I think
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: they probably keep five, and then it comes down to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Shack Ulafohio, Charlo Jenkins, whoever balls out the most on
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: special teams. I know Ulafohio has has value there. I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: think I think five linebackers make the team. I think
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: potentially could be four if they want to keep an
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: extra dB or an edge or something like that, especially
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: because Dorian and Andrew and can give you special teams reps.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: But I think five potentially. I think it's a toss
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: up for who the fifth is. And I think a
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: lot of it, not even a lot of it. All
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of it's going to be determined by special teams. Like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to think Charlo can make
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: it if he keeps playing really well on special teams.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Mister Smith says Andresen struggled. Does he a lot for
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: this team?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I think he is.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: He's still a good run defending linebacker. He's still just
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: putting the pieces together from a coverage standpoint. But he's
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: a good special teamer and I don't think they have
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of other options at the spot for somebody
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to beat him out. I think he's linebacker four. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: think it's Bernard Milano, Dorian and then Andresen.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: So I think that's fine.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Josh says, hard to develop on the bench after Baltimore,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the schedule gets a lot easier to give him some reps.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: That's a fair point, right, So, yeah, the schedule does
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in theory, you know, if you're going by last year's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: record and what the pay rosters look like on paper, Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the schedule does get a little easier to potentially give
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Cole Bishop some reps and get.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Him some time on task can smooth.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Jazz says, based on your coverage and what the coach
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: of state, our safeties are on the team, based on
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: how important they are for setting calling the defense for
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the secondary Gobils absolutely, which is why Taylor rap is
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: so valuable because he does such a great job setting
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and calling the defense and aligning everybody on the back end.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: But that's also why DeMar Hamlin has been starting so much,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: because he's usually in the right place at the right time,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and he knows what he's doing pre to post snap.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the athleticism. He has a lot of
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: limitations athletically and from a ceiling perspective, but he sets
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a high floor because he's able to just set.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: He's a set and forget type of dude, even though
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: it's not sexy. Rodney says, Is it for me? Rodney says,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: when our defense was good years ago, I asked you
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: if Josh would catch up to them. You said yes.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Did I really say this actually happened? That's cool. If
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it did, I said yes. Now I asked, well, the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: defense catch back up to be determined. If this actually
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: was an actual, real interaction, that's super cool and nice,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: thank you for bringing that back. That's cool. I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: it's to be determined.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I the biggest thing for me with the Bills defense
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: is the type of defense they operate with from a
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: philosophical standpoint and a body type standpoint and an archetype standpoint,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: is not the type of defense I favor and I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: gravitate towards. And I think that's and the reason I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: gravitate towards the defenses that I gravitate towards isn't just
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: because oh I like them, you know, It's because of
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: what they offer schematically and what they offer long term
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and from a matchup perspective, and at the end, of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the day. Football is a match up league, so I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: think they can catch back up. But man, if Bishop
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't hit, Dwayne Carter already hasn't hit, if Bishop doesn't hit,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: if Max Harrison doesn't hit, if T J. Sanders doesn't hit.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: There's some questions that got to be answered on this team,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: even next year, right Like Larry Ogunjobe, even if he
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: he hits, he's on A one year, He's a UFA
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: next year. Daikwon Jones is a UFA next year. You're
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: looking at your edge. Grew Bosa is the UFA next year.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Landon Jackson, what do you get from him? A Japanessa's
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: UFA next year. They have a lot of questions on
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and so can they
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: catch up?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Sure? Will they?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical right now because I think they need
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of things to fall their way, and just
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: from a probability.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Perspective, it's hard to get all that or expect all that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: But time will tell. Oh, that's awesome, Ronnie. Ronnie says,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: absolutely was in the film room. That's awesome. That's a
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: super cool callback. Thank you for that. That's awesome. That
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: was really cool.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that comment and then confirming it here.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, mister Smith is how many wide receivers
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and who makes the team? I think it depends on
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel's health. I still am in the belief of five, Palmer, Coleman, Shakir, Samuel,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: More or Shavers. I think Shavers has played himself into
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: some real contention here, and he's got He's got frame,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: he plays special teams. Elijah Moore gives you some of
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the Khalil Shakir replication while also being able to do
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: some other stuff. That's an important piece because if anything
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: happens to Shaki, you would want to replicate that role
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: or mitigate his loss to some degree.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say five.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I think the top again, health is also going to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: be a huge piece, right, If Shakira isn't ready for
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: week one, if Samuel is banged up, if Palmer's been
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: banged up, right, that's gonna throw a huge wrench in everything.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: But if everyone was healthy, I think the top four
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: is locked of Palmer keon Samuel, not necessarily this order,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: but Palmer Keon Shakir, Samuel, and then I think they
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: keep five, and I think fifth is up for grabs
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: between Elijah Moore and Tyrol Shavers. Oh, that's awesome, Rodney says,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: much love from Anchorage, Alaska. That's super cool. Daan, what
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: time is it there right now?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm horrible with time zones like that
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: like that in Hawaii. I have no idea, But that's awesome.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you for tuning in.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Josh has a lot of them investment in young players
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: on the defense, can't really afford to miss on all
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of them, kind of like what happened to the Bengals
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: d Yeah, but you know what's also funny is before
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that they had hit on so many dudes. They brought
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: in Trey Henderson, but they hit on Logan Wilson, they
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: hit on Jermaine Pratt, they hit on Jesse Bates, they
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: hit on Sam Hubbard. They hit on so many dudes
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: on the defensive side, and that allowed them to have
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: a really good defense. And then they tapped into a
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: rookie Joe Brookie contract, Joe Burrow and rookie contract Jamar
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Chase and rookie contract t Higgins. Like they had all
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: these ballers on offense. But it started by hitting the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: draft really well on the defensive side of the ball,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and there's more dudes that fall into that as well
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: on that side. Yeah, they they hit on a lot
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: of their draftick especially early on on Day one and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Day two, and then all of a sudden.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Fell off a cliff and they are where they are. Ooh,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: six fifty five and Anchorage, Alaska. Okay, not too crazy. Wow, No,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: that is crazy. It's almost a full twenty four hours ahead. Dang, spec,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that's awesome. Josh and Cam Taylor Britt too. Yeah, he's
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: a hit. He's sweet. We'll see. They shouldn't They shouldn't have.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: It's hard to pay safeties, especially with where they were,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: but they shouldn't have let Jesse Bates go. Jesse Bates
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: is sweet and they've been trying to fill that void
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: ever since.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: But you win some, you lose some.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: You know what, you always win and you never lose
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the battle for deliciousness when you get one pie pizza
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the best pizza in Buffalo, New York. Wait, hold on,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: time out, I'm an idiot.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Oh six fifty five, six fifty five PM, like still today,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm thinking you're saying six to fifty five.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I see everybody in the comments, I'm like, why, oh
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: got it? I'm an idiot. I always think it's six
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: to fifty five tomorrow. I don't know why. I deal
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: with a lot of in my day job.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I deal with a lot of overseas aspects in Europe,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: in Asia, so I'm always very like, what time is
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it in China?
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: What time is it in Bangladesh? What time is it
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: in Europe? So I'm always very like forward thinking anytime
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: it comes to time zones.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: So so I read six fifty five and I immediately
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, six fifty five Wednesday, August twentieth.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: My brain is just completely forward.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: It didn't even register to me that it could be
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a possibility that they're four hours behind. Didn't even come close,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: which is so dumb on me, because they're right by
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the West.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Coast time slot.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: So if you're thinking, okay, CALLI is three hours behind,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: or you know, Pacific time is three hours behind, Alaska
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: will be one behind after that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Man, it's late, it's late. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Oh Rodney saying we're the second to last global time zone.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Oh fun fact.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm an idiot. Good job chat well done. I'm
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: falling apart, such an idiot.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I was immediately like, oh Wednesday, Yeah, cool, six fifty
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: five pm Wednesday.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: The day job. That's why I didn't. I had day
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: job stuff last week. You know, I had a call
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: overseas at nine pm Eastern last week because it was
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: nine am somewhere else with the people I had a
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: call with, and that we had to have a call
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: with them before they started their day.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm very forward. Yeah, they didn't even register. Well done, chat.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Apologies that my brain is fried. Just back to the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: pizza RecA. Yeah, back to the pizza rec The best
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: pizza in Buffalo, New York. That is One Pipe Pizza.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I don't say they're the best because they sponsor the show.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: They sponsored the show because I genuinely think they are
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the best pizza in Buffalo, New York. Sweet sauce, pie
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: cup and char pepperoni. They named a pizza after us
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: here at Cover one. It's called the Cover one Josh
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Allen Goat. It's got goat cheese and mozzarella and bits
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: of bacon and I don't even want to spoil it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: It's phenomenal.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I got a half sheet last week that was half
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the cover one Alan goat and a half cheese and pepperoni,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and it was phenomenal. They also make their own homemade
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: blue cheese. They also do an amazing breakfast pizza. They
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: also have a catering division. They just make really good
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: food in a variety of ways. The catering division can
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: be found in the episode show and it's here. It's
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: called Elevated Catering of Buffalo. You can also find the
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: one Pie pizza menu or I'm sorry, the website address
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that goes to the online menu and their site in general,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and the episode show notes both of those things, whether
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: here on YouTube or whichever podcasting app platform you were
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: listening to the show on. Yeah, the food is phenomenal
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and they're good people. I talk about all the time,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: all the good they do for the community, the drives,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the initiatives, partnering with Roswell, the SPCA, the Alzheimer's Foundation,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Toys for Tots, they do a lot of good with
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the community. And that's aside from just making tremendous food.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: They're really good people making really good food and awesome
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: endorsement from marj Argie says, I don't get paid by
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: one pie and they are the best. I had a pepperoni, sausage, bacon,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: onion and banana pepper pizza the other day and it
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was the best pizza I had ever had.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, RJ tagged me.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: He told me he was going to get one pie
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: when he came into Buffalo, and he did, and he
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: tagged me and he put pictures on Twitter and it
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: was delicious.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Josh has Guys, I'm hungry. Don't do this. I feel you.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I am hungry.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna eat something after this, even though it's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: super late and I gotta get.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Up super early.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, one pie is the best. Get yourself some
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: one pi pizza. Whether you live in Buffalo or if
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you're coming up for a Bill's game, get yourself some
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: one pi pizza. You will not be disappointed. You will
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: not be disappointed. Get yourself some one pie pizza.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on my menu.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: All that information can be found on the sites in
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the episode show notes, whether here on YouTube or whichever
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: podcasting Apple platform you're listening to this show on. But
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: put up the ban on this, says tootles, folks, because
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: we're gonna start to say goodbye before anybody leaves.
• 54:29
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• 54:38
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• 54:39
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• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I will keep everyone informed on social of what the
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: plan will be for next week, but with roster cuts happening,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: probably do something on Tuesday night, we'll see, and then
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that bonus episode that I have will be dropping in
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: the back end of the week.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Fingers crossed, no jinks.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Very very excited for the guests that I have on
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that one and the conversation that we will be having.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: So minimum you'll get one episode from me next week,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: probably two, we'll see. Hope you folks enjoyed this episode.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Oh gotta stop? Yeah, what was the question here? I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: just doesn't need to figure out another one to try
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: this weekend. I think you need to try the breakfast
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: pizza next. I haven't had the breakfast pizza yet, but
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I heard it's crazy good again, not surprising because everything
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: they make is really good.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Breakfas pizza sounds really good. Right now.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I could go for a breakfast pizza, Rodney says, last one.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Do you feel better about this year's receivers or last
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: year's at this point?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: This year's mainly because I know I know what type
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: of offense they're going to have.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Last year, I was very hopeful that it would be
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: more condensed formations, reduced formational with running the football, using
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: bigger body types to blend and marry the run in
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the past, and have less tells, less siloing, and being
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: able to access more of the play calling menu without
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: having to turn the page. I know what they're going
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: to be schematically, so the receivers that they have are
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: more than fine for what they're gonna be schematically and
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: what their MO is going to be on offense. Now,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: if you told me this team was going to go
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: spread and pass the ball thirty five to forty five
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: times a game, I would not feel great, But yeah,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I feel better about this year's receiving core with the
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: caveat of I am worried about the injuries, Samuel being
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: banged up again and Josh Palmer being banged up. That's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a big one. Shakir got banged up. He should be fine,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: but the injuries make me a little wary. But all
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: things equal, I feel better about this year's grouping because
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I know the schematic identity offense, how those receivers fit in,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: and what we're going to get. Josh has mina with eyeballs.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Fair guests, we'll see. That'll do it for us here
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: in this episode of disguised coverage. I hope you folks
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, whether you're watching now, watching later, listening,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: or if you live in Anchorage, Alaska and you know
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: it's currently October twenty fourth right now, because that's how
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: far in the future I think they are. Because my
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: brain is fried, I hope you folks enjoyed this episode.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much everyone who tuned in live.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I know again the schedule of the content's but a
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: little wonky recently for me, but I appreciate everyone tuning
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: in live and the engagement, the questions, the back and
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: forth with each other, and which with myself, the kind
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: words Rodney are really I really appreciate you kind of
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: bringing back that callback to that question you asked me
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago in the film room and
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: tying it back now. I appreciate you for that.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And yeah, whatever form or fashion your episode consumption comes
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: in live, post live, YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts, whatever have you.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I'm great with you for and appreciative of it. And oh,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: great comment from r J.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't want to say it, but this goes
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: without saying for me, like I wish we could have
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: this year's wide receivers, but also with Matt Collins, great comment.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: One of my big questions for the offense, and I
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: don't have many, is who fills the mac Collins role,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and if they do it with an individual or several individuals,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: or if they get around it schematically. Because he was
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a lot more important for this offense. He made some
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: plays and then because he was a character he got recognition.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: But from a schematic importance perspective, he played a big
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: role or significant role. I should say in this offense
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: last year, So I think that's a very fair point,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and then Josh says, that's why Gave Davis is visiting tomorrow.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Fair point with Gabe Davis. Enjoy the rest of your
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night, folks. I will see you tomorrow for an
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: episode of the Film Room, and then I will see
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: you live here Saturday night, immediately following the Bills preseason finale.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday, Enjoy the rest of
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: your week. I help you and your family and friends
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: and loved ones are all doing well and staying safe.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Be kind of one another, take care of one another.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: WILL see you when I see you. God speed, and
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: as always, go Bills.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Mhm m