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#6: Quantum Computing & AI: Building an Abundant Future for Humanity with Whurley · Love Conquers Fear

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I really view that AI, quantum computing, robotics, brain to
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computer interfaces are going to take us into an age that is so
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amazingly abundant that it means that countries like Chad are
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going to have, you know, the clean water that they need, the
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electrical supply that they need, the solar energy they
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need, the healthcare they need. We've built an incredible
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society and incredible technologies from AI to the
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Internet to everything on that system.
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There's kind of three that I kind of focus on, right?
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The first one is eliminating disease.
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The second one. Power.
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The playing field has been equalized by technology when it
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comes to the acquisition of knowledge.
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And so it's just a beautiful, it's an incredible thing.
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It's an as I say everywhere, it's the greatest time to be
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alive in the history of our species.
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I think the one thing I've never said that I really believe is
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maybe it's my purpose. Maybe it's a revelation of the
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things you talk about. Whatever I feel that we are
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going through, I feel to a huge change.
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Hi everyone, welcome back to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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In this podcast, we're talking with amazing scientist,
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spiritual teachers, entrepreneurs, investors,
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philosophers, and I'm having a blast with it.
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I hope you are too. It really matters what happens
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over the next 10 to 15 years for humanity, making it to the age
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of abundance for all. It's going to be challenging.
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There are going to be a lot of disruptions along the way and
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we'll be diving into those on today's episode and what
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ultimately we should do about them and how you all should be
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prepared for what's going to happen over the next 10 to 15
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years. I've been on a real reading
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journey recently and so I should probably just tell you why I'm
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wearing the shirt. First of all, I'm a huge New
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Order fan. So this is a this is a shirt
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that says Touched by the Hand of God.
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And I just finished a three-part short story series that just
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came to me as something that I should write to paint an
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optimistic vision of how humanity can make it.
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The first short story is called God's Final Exam.
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The second short story is called God's Creative Power.
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And I'm just about to publish. It'll be published by the time
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you see this God's infinite game.
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And I also just finished the Tau, the The Dao De Ching, and
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the Dow is also known as the Way.
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And it really is the most ancient text about what source
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is, what heaven is, and the fact that it just flows through
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everything and it is a loving force.
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And I would really encourage you to read it.
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I'm 53 years old and it's the first time in my life that I've
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read it. But there's so much pattern
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recognition from reading about the Dow in so many other
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spiritual texts that I've read, as well as so, so much more, you
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know, books on AI, consciousness, quantum physics
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as well. And today, I am very happy to
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welcome Worley to the podcast. Worley is a very good friend of
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mine. We've had some phenomenal
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conversations here, both in podcast together.
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We were on the Austin Next podcast back in May.
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We're on Cinco de Mayo. We recorded that with Jason
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Scharf and his father right in the wake of the crazy moratorium
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call. You know, just to go back in a
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time machine here, Chachi PT launched just over 1000 days
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ago, OK? It launched on November 30th,
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2022. It was in March, I think it was
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March 23rd of 2023 when the moratorium call occurred where
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Elon Musk and a lot of so-called AI experts said shut it down, do
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not develop models any more powerful than GPT 4.
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And Worley and I both thought that was ridiculous.
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I actually didn't know what Worley was going to think about
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that. But as we went on, as we went on
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the Austin Next podcast, we really found what each other
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thought about that. And, and I, I thought it was
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ridiculous. Fortunately, he thought it was
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ridiculous too. Maybe that didn't make for us
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entertaining of listening on a podcast.
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Maybe it would have been more fun if we were fighting about
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it. But but ultimately we did unpack
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like how we thought AI was going to play out, how it was going to
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lead to billions of personalized products and services.
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Really actually talked about something I had never thought
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about on that podcast, which was disposable software, which I was
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just listening recently, actually yesterday to the Chief
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Product Officer of Open AI talking about the same thing.
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So he is very much a visionary and he is a real quantum
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computing expert. So this is going to be a lot of
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fun. Welcome.
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Really. Thanks for having me.
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I mean, I remember that conversation and and I went into
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that conversation literally concerned.
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I'm like, I don't know what bread is going to.
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Be right and. Yeah, I think we found a lot of
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humor in the fact that we both came into it with the same
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opinions, but also with the same concerns about like I'm getting
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an argument with Brett heard about this because.
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He's not going to think. You know that about the future
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in the same way, right? No, there's, you know, but I, I
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think that was a really good talk because not only did we
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really, I feel connect on that, on that talk, but also, and it
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led to so many other wonderful conversations.
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But we also came to this point of understanding that there
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needs to be a lot of attention and focus on what you said that
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next 10 to 15 years and how not only do we make it to an age of
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abundance, but how everybody gets to participate in that.
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And so actually, I think what you're doing with the podcast
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and all of the current stuff you're doing is fascinating.
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And so I'm super excited to be here and have this conversation.
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You know, and I've, I've modified the way that I talk
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about it to say the age of abundance for all.
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And the reason I've done that is that I don't want people to view
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this as yet another kind of tech elite podcast.
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Because I really view that AI, quantum computing, robotics,
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brain to computer interfaces are going to take us into an age
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that is so amazingly abundant that it means that countries
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like Chad, you know, which is #187 out of 189 on the Human
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Development Index and the GDP is $660.
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A person are going to have, you know, the clean water that they
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need, the electrical supply that they need, the solar energy they
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need, the health care they need, you know, the food, etcetera,
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the water abundance and, and, and I think if humanity can
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create an Oasis and Chad, then we can create Oasis anywhere.
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So, so you would have a an easy answer to the you want humanity
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to survive, right? I love humanity.
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I very much want humanity to survive.
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I mean, not everybody loves humanity.
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I I don't know if you know, there are there are there are
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some very smart human beings. I know that that really think.
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I mean, you know, Elon Musk was saying just a few months ago
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that humanity is nothing more than a biological boot letter
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for the future of digital super intelligence.
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And it's kind of a weird thing to grapple with because I'm
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like, he acts like he loves humanity a lot.
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He wants to. He wants to make.
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Sure, planetary species. Exactly.
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And so I'm like what I make of this.
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And you know, at the same time, he's he's leading some of the
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best innovations in the world. But I I really communicate about
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humanity with a lot of love in my heart, because that's really.
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What I feel the economy right, I mean he also is like we should
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have more babies and he makes like a waifu on his AI app
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right, right, right. Nerds do not need a girlfriend.
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So I mean I think that's just that's just that guy.
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But no, you know, I think about it.
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So I think it's really important.
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You know, I mean, we of course, I jokingly reference that Peter
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Teal interview where he's asked you on a manager to survive and
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there's a big. Pause.
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There's a big pause. He's like, what about that?
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And I agree with you, I think there's a really easy answer to
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that question, which is of course, of course we do.
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Yeah, of course we do. Also, you know, being part of
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humanity, very interested in its prolonged existence.
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Yeah, yeah, I think, I think, you know, self preservation is,
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is is 1 order. But but also just, you know, I
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want that Star Trek future for humanity.
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Like, I want us to conquer things like faster and
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lightspeed travel and, you know, I want to be, you know, going
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with you to the edge of a black hole, like obviously not too
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close, you know, our quasar or, you know, go, go to another
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planet that is barren that could sustain life and like birth life
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there. And, you know, just there,
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there's no level to or there's no limit to the amount of
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ambition we could have if we just allow love to conquer fear
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and not destroy ourselves in the next 10 to 15 years.
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And I'm 95% certain we don't. I'm very optimistic, but.
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I'm recently not as certain. I mean generally in that same
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area. Actually, where are you on that?
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You know, you talked about it. The one thing humans have as a
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core feature that is gotten us to where we are and that will
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take us all the place you're talking about is adaptability,
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right? We're extremely adaptable as a
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species. And so given that we can survive
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and given that, you know, love can conquer all, we could do all
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the things you said in a really amazing way.
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It doesn't have to be like a whaling Utani alien corporate
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crazy, you know, dystopian future, right?
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It could be very utopian. And so I am always on the side
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of the utopian side of AI, quantum, all these technologies
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and technology in general. But you know, have a little bit
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of reservation about some of the things I'm seeing the movements
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around the world that are, that are not based on love, that are,
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that are not very loving. I don't like the, the hate in
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the politics. I don't like the, oh, I got to
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put you down for me to get ahead.
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All of these things. It seems almost like we're
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regressing and going backwards from where we've come over the
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last few 100 years. And and that that part puts me
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at a 8085%. 85, yeah. You took about 10%.
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Off of it and actually, actually look at me.
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I'm so optimistic. I just rounded up for you.
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You said every day I fuss, I love it.
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So it's kind of an idea. But no, I'm, I'm, I remain very
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hopeful. I think, you know, I have a good
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friend, John Popola and we did a podcast on AI and dystopia
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utopia, and he has a show called Dad Saves America.
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And it was really about like, you know, we talked about kids
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in the future and a lot of the stuff that we'll probably talk
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about and all of this. And I, I said, you know, I
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believe and I still do believe that that this technology and
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the emergence of this type of technology, this moment in
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history is part of what will get us over that and get us to what
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you're saying. And I think, you know, I was
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reading, you know, the, the writings you mentioned earlier,
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your pieces that you sent. And I found it really, really
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fascinating because that kind of seems to be core to what you're
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doing right now. Is it is that these things are
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not part of the problem. They're part of the solution and
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part of bringing people together, not driving them
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apart, part of putting us on the same page, not breaking us up.
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As you know, other tech like social media and stuff has been
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used in very, very skillfully to, to divide people into our
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opinions and make these, these tribes and these thiefs.
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And it's like, you know, it makes me think of I, I was
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having a conversation with this priest once and we're talking
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about aliens and, and, and I thought I was being really
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smart. I said, well, you know, what
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happened if aliens landed right there, you know, and he's like,
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I would think God was even cooler and greater and more
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powerful and it wouldn't change any of his views at all.
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And, and you know, we're talking about it.
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And I was like, you know, not what I thought the answer was
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going to be. And I was like, it's a really
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great answer, Great answer. You know, when he asked me is
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like, what would you think? I said I think it would be the
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greatest event in the history of, of humanity that would bring
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everyone together because all of a sudden we would all look a lot
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more like it wouldn't matter what color your skin was or what
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your political preferences were, sexual preferences or any of
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this stuff. All of a sudden be like, oh,
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we're we're humans. Yeah, that's right.
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That's us. Right.
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Well. Genetically, we're almost
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identical exactly. If you take a, you know, 7 foot
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tall black basketball player and you would look at their genetics
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as compared to a four foot tall Chinese monk, they are almost
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exactly the same. But we don't look at it from
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that perspective. No, we.
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We need to deprogram. A lot of that.
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And so, you know, I think, you know, we, we stand.
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And I say this, I think I said it on the podcast, Jason, I say
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it all the time. People are probably sick of me
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saying it. We are at the most significant
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consequential moment in time in the development of our species
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and the decisions made over the next two, five, 1015 years are
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going to decide our fate and, and, and where we get pushed to.
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And it's part of why I got into the, the, the quantum and the
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AI. And I've been trying to get as
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many people involved and democratize the knowledge of the
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things is because of, of what you're saying, which is to do
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that, there has to be a new kind of level set of, you know, I
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think back to the digital divide, you know, like who has
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the Internet, you know, has an advantage of who doesn't have
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the Internet. There's these inherent, we can't
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have this with this next set of technologies because it, it will
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create a, a, a caste system the likes of which we've never seen
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before that will be incredibly hard to overcome because of the
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tech. So it has to be thinking about,
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you know, tech in the service of people with the goal of
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bettering humanity, not just by curing disease and all that, but
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by bringing people together. And, and, you know, not just the
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clean water in Chad, but but like, how do they get an economy
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that's not $660 per person, right?
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How do we get an economy that works for everyone that it is
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inclusive of? And I think that's when you see
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the people you talk about who are not so big there, you know,
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maybe they can't answer the humanity question.
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Maybe they're contradicting themselves.
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It's because they have to, in my opinion, have a inherent fear of
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right now I am here and Brett and Worley are here and a poll
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which people are here and what you're talking about puts us all
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here. And I think that's a problem for
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a lot of big egos. I think it's a problem for a lot
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of people. I have no problem.
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I would love to see everybody know and, and, and those that
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we've never seen all have a great, amazing one.
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It doesn't affect me. We don't care, right?
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If all of us, actually. It does affect you in a very.
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In a very positive way, because. If the whole world was like
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that, Oh my gosh. I mean, talk about bliss.
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You know, part, part of the way I look at the time that we're in
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just to get a bit spiritual charm for you is that I believe
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that God is working through us. Now, other people could call
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that consciousness. Other people could call that the
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Dow. There's lots of, lots of things
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you could call that I, I call it God and that I wrote in that
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first short story, God's final exam actually is what I believe
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is happening. I believe that, you know,
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however old do you think the universe is, let's just say it's
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13.8 billion years old. Although the James Webb
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telescope, just even even challenge that said it's much
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older, but but let's just say it's 13.8 billion years old.
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And you know, it took humanity a long time to get here.
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Humanity in the span of the history of the Earth is only
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four million years old in terms of hominids and then 250,000
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years old in terms of Homo sapiens.
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And there was a point in time 50 to 70,000 years ago.
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Actually, Byron Reese told me about this and I had to Fact
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Check it. And he was right.
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He's so smart. But there was a time where we
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were down to 800 to several 1000 people during the Ice Age.
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There's a super volcano event. We know this through
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genealogical records. And so if our inherent nature
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was bad, then we would have wiped ourselves out.
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But I believe that God is like forcing this issue right now and
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working through US and the manic race that's underway with AI to
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see whether or not humanity is going to be the species and the
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universe that allows love to conquer fear.
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So that we can have access to the rest of the universe and
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technologies that are so mind blowing they will only be
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limited by the laws of physics, which frankly we don't even know
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if they are right now. And quantum physics gets very
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weird very quickly. Well, you know, you bring up
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some really good points. I mean, you know, the thing I
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immediately think of is you talk about the catastrophe where we
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might maybe wiped out to 8000 or so.
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And I, I think about the, the phenomenal sci-fi series, the
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the three body problem, right? And I think about the Netflix
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show, which a lot of people crapped on.
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But I thought, you know, you, you can't take all of that and
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make it super widely consumable. And not have to take a little.
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Liberty with stuff and but I like the scene where they enter
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the the simulation and they're talking to the Santi
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representative and she's like how long have you existed right.
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I haven't really been here right and for 100,000 years you're
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pretty much no different than ape.
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And how long did it take you to get from, you know, hunt
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together to to agriculture? How long from agricultural to
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industry and industry information age?
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And, you know, atomic weapons and atomic weapons information
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age, all this. And you see that time frame
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getting shorter and shorter and shorter as we advance, which
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makes sense. Which brings me back to your
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point, which is all of a sudden the next 10 years seem like the
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past 100. And it seems super.
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When you say 10 to 15 years, a lot of people might be like, you
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know, might not understand that you're not just picking a random
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time frame, right? You're thinking about the
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evolution of technology and how much faster things have been
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moving. And you're looking at, you know,
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college students right now around ages 25.
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I have like a 13.9% unemployment rate, right?
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And it's getting edit and things are already affecting.
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It's really nice to hear all the people say AI is not really
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going to be taking anybody's jobs or it's not really doing
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that. I read a really interesting
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article which is seems like APR campaign.
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It's like everybody who made that decision made a mistake.
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Turns out people are great. We have to lean into this and
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accept that this is no different than many of the other changes
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that have happened in the past. It's just a bigger change and
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it's a faster change. And so our frame of time has to
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be completely rethought on this. It does.
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You know, I hear people still talking about quantum computers
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20 years away. They exist today, right?
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Are they the perfect quantum computer?
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Obviously not. Are there problems?
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Sure. But when people say, oh, we're
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not going to pay attention to that technology because it's, I
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heard it's 20 years away or I've been here, it's 10 years away
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forever. Those are horrible attitudes to
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have because it's the equivalent of saying, I know there's going
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to be an iPhone one day, so I don't want to use my Commodore
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64 that that has gives me no advantage, right?
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Is this weird perception we have that we don't understand.
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Entire industries are about to be turned on their head.
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Geopolitics, every single thing that that is humanity, finances,
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everything. I just finished.
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This give me. Geopolitics chapter in my book.
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OK, Yeah, it's that's an important part because it's.
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Actually, the first, it's the first chapter in the second part
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of the book, which is on application.
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The first part of the book is on definitions.
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What is fear? What is?
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Yeah, that's great. And then the second part is on
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application for the biggest problems.
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And I start with geopolitics. When I want a preview.
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Copy Yeah, yeah, for sure. You for sure will get it.
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You read already, the lesser will get it.
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Brother. But yeah, but I think The thing
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is, is, you know, we live in the most interesting, most important
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time to be live in the history of our species.
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Everything from you know, and I know things like mRNA, you get a
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lot of criticism, incredible technology, right.
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You look at, you know, AI getting criticism, incredible
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technology. So we're we're being, you know,
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we're creating through, I believe some inspiration.
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I mean, I'm the least likely candidate to be running a
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quantum computing company that's done what it's done, let alone
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what it's about to do. But I felt a calling to it.
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So when you talk about that, I can totally relate to that
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because there's no rhyme or reason.
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It wasn't like it's like quantum.
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I mean, in fact, out of everything I could have done
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after Honest Dollar, you know, I'm sitting at Goldman Sachs
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thinking, obviously I'm not a Goldman guy, what am I going to
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go do? I could have done 100 things.
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I could have done another finance company have been easier
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to raise money, but this was actually the hardest path I
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could have picked. But it was the one that I felt
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in my heart was the right path. So it didn't matter level
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difficulty or that it might take 10 years to do what I could do
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somewhere else in one or two. It mattered that I wake up every
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day inspired and excited about what I'm doing because I feel
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like that's the thing I'm supposed to do.
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And I've always approached it as you know, I'm not going to win a
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Nobel Prize for something in this.
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I'm not going to create a cure to a disease or doing things,
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but I'm a catalyst for a whole bunch of other people that might
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if I can disseminate that technology as wide and as evenly
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distributed as possible. Let's rewind.
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I mean, there's there's a lot that that I want to unpack and
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all the things you just said and I want to get to what we
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mutually would recommend to people to both prepare for
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etcetera. But I don't want to start there.
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I want to start with you. And you know where you grew up.
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Like if you if you if you look at what you're doing now as the
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CEO of Strange Works and go all the way back to the beginning
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and say like, you know, kind of the Steve Jobs thing, the
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commencement speech you get at Stanford.
22:34
Like how do the dots connect in reverse to get to the whirly of
22:39
today? They connect in a way that both
22:41
seems very disconnected. But to me, every single core
22:47
memory I have in my life is a a part of a a bigger a picture
22:52
that's a much greater sum than the parts.
22:54
That is where I'm at, right? I feel exactly the same way
22:56
about my life. Born in Virginia, in Manassas.
23:01
Military family, you know, moved around when I was young.
23:05
You might Arizona, other places. My memories, my core memories
23:10
are Nuremberg, Germany, and my brother was born in Newburgh.
23:13
He's five years younger and playing real football, not
23:17
American football in Germany. And, and being on on the base
23:21
there. That's kind of where it starts.
23:25
Like if I go back as far back as I can remember, I have memories
23:28
I will take to my grave of all manner of things that, you know,
23:35
was awesome. My dad did work with technology
23:38
in the Army at one point. And so when I kind of like
23:43
around 6th grade, so I've been really getting into like, like
23:46
I'll do the computers, you know, and partly inspired by war games
23:50
or whatever, right. And Doctor Falcon.
23:51
Yeah, all that stuff, You know, that.
23:53
I mean, we all kind of we all kind of, you know, we, I mean, a
23:55
lot of us are age like that was that was big.
23:57
If you if you're on the fence, you're like, well, now I'm into
24:00
it because, you know, he saved the world and had a high
24:02
girlfriend. Everything like this.
24:03
Computers are great, but I but I, you know, I remember that
24:09
Professor Scott at Lamar Middle School was talking to my
24:13
parents. I think we talking.
24:14
Not just that, we both went to Lamar Middle School.
24:17
No, yeah, I didn't. Wow, that's amazing.
24:20
Yeah. I had Dan Eccleston as my I
24:25
don't think they called it computer science professor back
24:28
then. Or teacher.
24:29
Wow, that he he and I are still friends today.
24:32
Well, see, that's things coming together, you know, and sitting
24:35
here. Yeah.
24:37
Yeah. So, well, doctors got a big
24:38
impact on me, but not for what reason, because he told my
24:41
parents and in the future, even a a cash register at McDonald's
24:45
would be a computer is that your son won't be able to have a job
24:47
at McDonald's. And because I didn't like doing
24:51
the lessons, I I'd screw around with it and seeing what this
24:54
does and you know, do whatever. And of course, as well on this
24:57
old TI 99 forays, right. You're lucky you have the two
25:01
floppy drives. I started out with the Atari,
25:03
but yeah I very familiar with the TI.
25:06
And so, you know, that led me into just, you know, my dad
25:10
started really trying to support the, the, you know, two things,
25:13
music and technology. And then around high school,
25:17
coming out of high school, I was playing band.
25:19
I started realizing, where did you go to high school?
25:23
The Temple High School? And so my, my one of my good
25:25
friends Graham was amazing at programming synthesizers and,
25:31
and everything and, and, and he was like, yeah, because of the
25:35
music is a, is a computer science, right?
25:37
Like there's all these are all mathematical things, right?
25:39
There's 8 notes and coordinates and 16 notes and there's and.
25:43
And I, that's where I started kind of connecting them.
25:45
And that led to hacking together code in macro, macro mind
25:51
director. Before it was Macromedia on
25:54
Lingo X objects because you can correct the mini empty timing.
25:58
And you know, if there was a lot of things that were deprecated
26:01
calls that weren't quite deprecated.
26:03
So it has a lot of packet collision stuff.
26:04
If you fix that, you can make some money.
26:07
And that led to my job at Apple answering phones at Apple.
26:10
By the way, just a real quick aside and I'll come back to
26:13
this, but, but given that I'm wearing a New Order T-shirt, I
26:16
want your T-shirt. The the song Blue Monday.
26:21
Yeah, Like they had to write a lot of the code for that.
26:26
And it was, it was really, really an intense computer
26:29
science challenge to create that song.
26:32
And and there's a great podcast, it's two seasons called
26:35
Transmissions, which is a story of Joy Division, the new year.
26:39
But that episode on Blue Monday, you just remind me they had to
26:43
write the software programs to even.
26:45
Think about the the Fairlight, what it was and sampling was
26:49
coming in what you were talking about doing from a technological
26:51
standpoint was insane. But yeah, so that I got the job
26:55
at Apple and the rest is kind of history.
26:57
I I I feel like. What year was that?
27:00
1993 I feel like I really cut my teeth at apple yeah and then I
27:04
went into IBM and I'm. Not saying that you were doing
27:07
then. Did you meet Steve Jobs?
27:09
Yeah, twice I ran into Owens and met him.
27:12
We really had a big conversation.
27:13
But I did learn he has the best joke in Silicon Valley, which
27:17
was what's the difference between Larry Ellison and God?
27:22
And and the punchline is God doesn't think he's Larry
27:24
Ellison. It's still my favorite joke of
27:29
all time. But Steve was off doing necks.
27:33
So Steve was kind of that was on the axe.
27:34
You had Skelly and Emilio, Gil Emilio and things weren't going
27:38
well. And of course that I had I
27:42
amazing stinted Apple. I went from answering the phones
27:47
to leading Internet training programs to working in R&D on,
27:51
you know, effectively what is the USBC connections or news.
27:54
All right, all the FireWire standards and all of that stuff
27:56
and the set-top box. So then I got to see TiVo a few
27:59
years later and be like, that's what we we were doing, right,
28:02
Right. But but.
28:04
TV today is pretty big. But I feel, yeah, I look, Apple
28:09
has something that I'd like everybody listening to take to
28:12
heart and attitude. It's what we're doing at Strange
28:14
Voices, what I try to do with my life.
28:16
I'm desperately trying to teach my 9 year old this because he
28:18
really wants to be first, first, first.
28:20
You know, he's in that phase. And you're right, Apple TV is
28:24
huge now and going to get larger.
28:26
And when you think about it goes back to the core fundamental
28:28
principles that that I learned at Apple with some of the most
28:33
amazing mentors and and people in our idea in the history of of
28:38
technology. It's not about being first.
28:41
It's about being best. And being best means a lot of
28:45
things. You know, I think to like
28:48
Ender's Game, right? It's like how you win matters,
28:52
right? Right.
28:53
It really does. Yeah.
28:54
And I think right now with technology and think about it's
28:56
just about winning, winning, winning, right.
28:58
Is it? You know, we went from this
28:59
hustle. Not just technology, yeah.
29:01
Yeah, it's really. It's, it's global and we went
29:03
from this hustle culture and tag, which was weird to me
29:06
always is like, if you're programming at 3:00 in the
29:08
morning, do you really know how to program or like maybe you
29:11
can't manage your time and a lot of questions.
29:14
And we went from there to this like winning at all cost.
29:17
And, and I don't, I don't think that's a that's not how I'm
29:19
going to live my life. I don't think it's a great way
29:21
to, for anybody to live their life.
29:22
But you're right, we've, we've changed that.
29:23
But that was kind of my journey. And the rest is just, you know,
29:27
all the stuff that's pretty well documented everywhere out there,
29:30
just bouncing between big companies and startups and then
29:32
eventually starting startups and, you know, started in the
29:36
beginning doing what everybody does.
29:37
What? What was your first start up?
29:38
Well, my first start up, I worked at or first start up, I
29:41
found it because they're, they're different.
29:43
I first started, I worked at was a company that did was going to
29:47
do and Napster was really big at the time.
29:49
And we're going to do like resumes, but using a, a
29:52
peer-to-peer network so that as a recruiter, you might see my
29:55
skills, but not who I am. But as we talked more, I'd share
29:58
more data or whatever. So you could kind of be applying
30:00
for jobs on the side that that didn't work out.
30:03
I was right at 2000 of the crash and everything.
30:05
Very valuable lesson that. Sounds like it could be an
30:08
interesting rebooted indeed right now.
30:11
Right, just a little. Yeah.
30:12
Well, you know, little teasers. Ronnie should call me up.
30:14
We'll talk about it, right. But then I worked at my micro
30:20
and my business partner who passed away a couple years ago.
30:22
Incredible influence on on my my career.
30:27
Sorry to hear it passed away. He did a company called
30:30
Symbiote, which was the first countermeasures on the Internet.
30:33
That was again a really awesome experience.
30:36
And then you know, turns out a lot of governments, even ours
30:39
not big fans. So you know, a very big lesson
30:42
in a lot of other other areas of rental work hold in politics and
30:46
does this. So really, you know, when I
30:48
first got out of my own is about 2009 is working at BMC.
30:53
I had done the iPhone dev camps with Raven Zachary and and Chris
30:57
Messina and and Don Segal and all those guys.
31:00
We got together a bunch of people that bought iPhones and a
31:03
bunch of hackers and Adobe's offices, about 400 people.
31:06
And we hacked on apps because Steve said there wasn't going to
31:09
be apps, Apple just give you the apps and it was clear there was
31:12
going to be apps. And that was a really one of
31:17
several defining moments in my career because at that Tim
31:20
O'Reilly, everybody was there, investors were there.
31:23
They're like started app companies, started this.
31:25
And I was going to do it. And I thought back to a lesson I
31:31
learned from a couple of people, but predominantly Alan Kay,
31:36
which was kind of pioneers get arrows in the back.
31:39
And it was in that moment, it was like Obi Wan Kenobi was
31:41
like, don't start a company right now.
31:44
Like, wait, patience, take your time.
31:47
And I also thought back to the Apple lessons I've learned about
31:50
it's not about being first 1st to market is something I just
31:53
think is that like it's, it's an ancient concept that doesn't
31:58
really belong in the modern world.
32:00
It is about, you know, being the best.
32:02
And so I waited three years and worked at BMC software for three
32:06
years until 2009 and November left and at South by I launched
32:11
chaotic men with Mike and and we had found Ben and brought him on
32:15
and it was it was awesome and it was a great experience.
32:18
But here's the difference. It was for fun and money, 100%.
32:23
It LED all three of us as founders on different paths.
32:27
The path I had left on was pretty depressing.
32:31
I was very depressed in the in the latter days of it because I
32:34
had grown up pretty poor and now I had all this money and I had
32:40
anything I wanted and traveling all over the world doing that.
32:42
I wasn't. I thought for a while I wasn't
32:46
satisfied. The reality was I wasn't happy
32:49
and I realized that your happiness can't come from
32:54
success or material things, whatever it comes from the
32:58
relationships, it comes from the interactions you have and those
33:02
inspirational moments in your family and stuff.
33:04
And so, you know, I was really, really in a, in a, in a bad
33:11
spot. Tons of girlfriends, tons of
33:14
travel, all the right parties, all it was great, but it was, it
33:17
wasn't satisfying. And so that's when, you know, I
33:23
thought, OK, the next thing I knew has to have an impact, like
33:26
a social impact. And so I did Honest Dollar
33:29
because, you know, there was this big argument that that Uber
33:34
drivers should be made employees because they get benefits.
33:36
And I was like, yeah, but then they still have to pay for
33:38
benefits as employee. I thought this is a great thing
33:41
to make a solution that's super cheap and affordable that puts
33:44
them in something that's not going to RIP them off, which a
33:46
lot of foreign KS do. That's not a financial product
33:49
made to fleece them, but actually lets them build
33:51
savings. And you know that, you know,
33:55
Caddy got acquired by Century Goldman acquired Honest Dollar
33:58
and ran it for quite a while and did a really good job with it.
34:03
I mean, to their credit, I don't think they changed the name for
34:05
like 6 years. Why is it is is is?
34:08
It was awesome and I really liked my time there and I
34:11
learned a lot there. Everybody thinking, you know,
34:14
they're this evil. Kind of like there's bad actors
34:16
in every company and when you're dealing with billions of
34:19
dollars, those people get a lot more press.
34:21
How how long were you at Goldman Sachs?
34:23
Couple of years and then and then kind of like, you know,
34:26
available to them for a for a little bit longer than them
34:31
because I was there in 2016 March when on CNBC said their
34:36
client were doing it. It was December of, of 2017 that
34:43
I, you know, formed, you know, strange works.
34:47
And then in March of 2018 is when I went out.
34:50
So, yeah, almost exactly a couple years.
34:52
And then I stayed, you know, working with them and, you know,
34:55
all of that. They were really there a much
34:59
being inside. It's a much different
35:01
perspective is a much different company than than you might
35:03
think. I, I love them.
35:04
In fact, I, I talked to Tim O'Neill, who's a legend this
35:07
morning. And that's the kind of
35:10
relationships they have there. I mean, I haven't talked to Tim
35:13
since I left, you know, and he was vice chairman and he left
35:16
and I texted him out of the blue the other day on the holiday
35:19
weekend and said, Hey, I really like to bounce something off of
35:22
you. He said, how's Tuesday morning?
35:24
And, and that's, it's a really, it's a culture of, of teamwork.
35:28
Like everybody has a pair but but so and that was you.
35:32
Know, you know, I got some exposure to them.
35:35
They were a big investor in dated art world.
35:37
Oh yeah, they they really did everything they could to be
35:40
helpful. Make intros.
35:42
Yeah, it was. It was super interesting.
35:43
But but you know, getting off that digression, Chaotic Men was
35:51
startup for fun and profit. Austeller was a startup to help
35:55
people and kind of do something in a tiny little bit of the
35:59
world that I saw that I thought you can move the needle on
36:04
coming off of that. I really wanted to go off on
36:08
something that I didn't really care what anybody thought.
36:10
And I can tell you we've both been in the Austin Business
36:14
Journal town of times. If you go back and have it
36:16
framed, you look at when I was on the cover, beautiful cover.
36:19
I'm in the Large Hadron Collider.
36:21
It's open like it's a great photo op and and and this the
36:25
title of this, the cover is really way, way out there on
36:29
this one. And for years I was like, it's
36:31
so cool. I was trying and and until I was
36:34
with an investor who said he he was looking at it in my office.
36:37
He goes, wow, that's hilarious. He goes, do you do that till
36:41
later? You can like be like, ha ha, I
36:43
made it and I was like, what are you?
36:44
Talking about. And he was like, oh, I mean,
36:47
come on, dude, you know that title?
36:49
Just just say this guy's lost his fucking mind.
36:53
And then I ran through and I rerun it and I thought all
36:55
different. Spiked him on the article.
36:56
And I was like, oh, they meant like, so far we followed this
37:00
guy, He's done OK. Like, mobile apps makes sense.
37:02
Finance makes sense, No, Maybe he's a little off the off the
37:06
off his rocker, but the whole point was, you know, to do
37:11
something that really would impact the world in as big as
37:13
possible. And the only way to do that was
37:15
to go from fun and profit to I'm making a change to I'm going to
37:19
empower millions of other people to make a change.
37:22
I gave a talk in Abu Dhabi in December of last year called The
37:25
Power of a Billion Minds and that really sums up the mission.
37:28
Is that online? Yeah.
37:30
And, and, and I'm really sums up the mission that I'm on, which
37:32
is if you took everybody involved in science and, and you
37:38
know, if we could break down the walls between spirituality and
37:41
science and all this stuff, and just like, look, there's a lot
37:43
of commonality there and they, they coexist easily.
37:47
You don't have to be, you don't have to be an atheist scientist
37:49
or a super religious person who hates technology, right?
37:52
Like you can do both of those things and love technology and
37:56
be like, I'm a spiritual person. So the the the the concept was
38:02
do something that gets amplified by a lot of other people.
38:04
Like I said, I'm not going to be in history books for it.
38:07
Somebody else might be for something they do with it.
38:08
And that's great, that. Is the.
38:11
Most wonderful feeling for me. You know, since we invoked that
38:15
Steve Jobs this real quickly, one of the favorite videos I've
38:19
ever seen of him was in the quote UN quote lost archives in
38:22
Santa Clara University where it's actually mentioned in my
38:27
first book, The Entrepreneurs Essentials, where he is
38:30
interviewed and he said, look, in tech, you have to be content
38:36
that you're just building a layer in the sand that other
38:40
people are going to build on top of.
38:42
You're not building the Taj Mahal.
38:43
This is not going to stand the test of time.
38:45
Nothing in tech. You're making like the sand for
38:48
the bricks. And that that is where you can
38:52
get your your kind of high from. That's so relevant and and I
38:55
really do with with with with this effort and I like and and
39:00
then I wrote the baby's book and everybody.
39:02
It was kind of kind of Joe, but Chris, Chris Ferry was so
39:05
gracious to to to work on that with me.
39:07
He has a wonderful series of books and then I did the.
39:10
Book give the title of that book Quantum.
39:12
Computing. For babies.
39:13
You know what? I actually own this book.
39:15
But I thought, you know, it was, it was a it's, it's kind of like
39:20
I'm going to go down to that level and try to be able to
39:22
explain it there. And then with each book I've
39:24
been building, you know, the, the, the depth of it and the
39:28
breadth of it as I've grown in the space, right.
39:31
Like, I'm not a physicist, I'm not whatever.
39:32
And I've never claimed to be, I think in my opening talk itself,
39:36
but I was like, look, I'm no Neil deGrasse Tyson, but, but
39:40
you know, when I talk about this, this need to, to, to make
39:46
an impact on the world, that's what a lot of people get hung up
39:50
on. And they're like, I want to make
39:52
an impact on the world. And it's ego because they want
39:54
to be the one to make the impact.
39:56
I want to provide a whole bunch of tools for all other people.
39:59
Like impacts. If you take all the science in
40:01
the world, every funding, every scientist, every, everything.
40:05
I mean, imagine that as the key to this house.
40:07
OK. And we went over to the Q2
40:09
field. I'm a huge Verde fan.
40:12
And we threw it in the middle of the soccer pitch.
40:15
That key representing all of science would be surrounded in a
40:18
sea of green that would represent the rest of humanity.
40:21
So if what you're saying is so important, if the next 10 to 15
40:24
years are important and what is now your life's mission?
40:26
We I really admire, I'm a big fan of is so important.
40:30
Then we have to get a lot more people involved in that aspect
40:35
of it as well. We have to break down the the
40:38
barriers on education, on cost and all of this and I really
40:41
share that and so. It has to be team humanity.
40:44
We have to make it together. It has to be this.
40:46
Is not a 0 sum game. And so that's why, you know,
40:48
when I gave that talk, it's it's been a series of talks building
40:51
up to that one. But but that one, the power of a
40:53
billion minds was what if you could have a billion minds
40:57
looking at a problem? It's insane.
41:02
Just mathematically, just statistically, like what your
41:05
odds of, you know, we have so few people even aware of of the
41:10
problems. You know, we always talk about,
41:11
oh, if technology was so great, we have a curetive cancer, which
41:14
one? Because they're, they're all
41:16
different. There's ten of them.
41:17
You know, like these problems are, are a lot of these problems
41:21
are borderline intractable. They're so complicated.
41:25
And, and so how do we put the quantum into all of the science
41:30
and put as many people into the science as possible and make it
41:34
where you don't know that you're using quantum or ATP or GPU, you
41:38
are solved, you're working on solving a problem.
41:42
And by the way, why would we not take ideas from people who don't
41:45
have training in, in that? Because cross pollination of
41:49
ideas in the way somebody does something mathematically, an
41:52
optimization for logistics and how that could be used to
41:54
optimize router chain in a, in a, you know, the amino acids and
41:58
router chain or something like, why are, why are we like, well,
42:02
sorry, if you were a doctor, you know, you'd understand why.
42:05
I don't want your opinion as a guy that works at at FedEx, but
42:09
math is math is math. And there's we, I think we have
42:13
a lot of the answers we need right now.
42:16
We just haven't aligned them. And I think the thing for me and
42:20
that you and I share is alignment, right?
42:22
My job is not CEO is not coming up with and he's like, oh, you
42:26
set the vision or you're the boss or you do this or you're
42:28
the fate this. My only job is alignment.
42:30
When the needs of my employees and the needs of my customers
42:33
align, magic happens, needs of my investors in my company
42:36
magic, so on and so forth. I just spend every day going
42:39
around trying to knock things back into a line that where the
42:41
energy flows through those channels, right.
42:43
And I think that's what we need to do with science as a whole
42:48
and and maybe spirituality too, you know, and everybody is got
42:53
all of these different views and they're not really that
42:58
different. No, they like to think that they
43:00
are. Actually, the more I, I have
43:03
dove into ancient spirituality, whether it's the Dao, whether
43:08
it's the Bhagavad Gita, whether it's, you know, ancient, you
43:14
know, Vedanta, you know, predate a lot of religions, ancient
43:17
Christianity, ancient Judaism and including Kabbalah, you
43:22
know, I'm Jewish. But but I, I've, I've ultimately
43:25
found that there is this eternal oneness and unity that connects
43:32
them all. And that's what I was trying to
43:33
approach. And my short story is that.
43:35
But I think I think you hit it like that was part of what I
43:38
liked about your short story is I think you did hit that
43:40
collectiveness of like, oh, and you know, if you go back and you
43:44
really study, you know, religions, which is not
43:47
something I'm an anyway an expert on, but there are a lot
43:51
of stories like the Bible in other religions, over a dozen,
43:54
of course, that you can point to that are that predated.
43:56
Yes. So, so you can take the view of,
44:00
well, that's, you know, we need to have a higher power and you
44:04
know, the, the view of, you know, atheism or agnosticism or
44:09
whatever. Or maybe you could look at it
44:11
from this human view and be like, seems like a lot of people
44:13
for a lot of times have all come to a really similar conclusion.
44:17
And maybe that's something that should be explored more.
44:20
You know, my wife is on a religious journey right now,
44:23
which I'm not going to talk about because I don't want to
44:24
get in trouble. And that's her.
44:26
But she's been on a spiritual journey and it's been the most
44:29
fascinating thing to not just watch, but but participate in.
44:33
And you just say, like, why is there a problem if they're is a
44:40
God or it's the universe or it's entanglement or whatever, What's
44:44
the problem if everybody is loving each other, if we're
44:49
raising each other up, if we're doing things that I think you
44:51
should be doing as a good person anyway, who cares?
44:54
And maybe you don't have to define it and that's OK.
44:56
But how do we get as many people to live their life that way and
44:59
then take the technology and make that technology is one of
45:03
the first things that becomes abundant for that group of
45:05
people to go solve and do all the things she said about, you
45:09
know, terraforming a planet or, you know, curing a disease or
45:12
whatever. Because I think that the next
45:16
10-15 years, I mean, you say 10 to 15.
45:18
I'm really worried. I like to think 1959 Jack Cooley
45:22
and Vince integrated circuit. Before that, he bought
45:24
transistors one at a time for radios to now compress that in
45:28
the light 20302035. And that's what that's kind of
45:32
where my head is at on, you know, it's a little faster.
45:35
And yeah, it's extremely important.
45:38
It's it's the the decisions that will be made.
45:43
And we're starting to see the rise in nationalism, which
45:45
disintegrates that a lot. And it definitely degrades it.
45:48
You know, we're starting to see a lot of movements that are not
45:53
going in the right direction, either from a humanitarian
45:55
perspective, from a spirituality perspective, or from a
45:58
technology perspective, right? There's this fragmenting and it
46:02
worries me that at the one moment in time that we're
46:06
actually going to get world changing technologies that we've
46:10
fallen back to like, you know, the, the, the, the 100 years
46:17
ago, 1000 years ago about like I have to capture this resources
46:20
for my tribe kind of approach and that there's not
46:23
collaborations. Not he goes from universities
46:27
not collaborating to states not collaborating to countries not
46:30
collaborating. And I really feel that that is
46:33
the the biggest threat to what you're talking about in your
46:39
writings and ending your podcast of what you're doing is the fact
46:42
that that that it starts with, it starts with collaboration.
46:46
It's based on understanding. We don't have to be the same
46:48
person. We don't have to agree on
46:49
spirituality. We don't have to agree on
46:50
technology. We don't have to agree on
46:52
everything. Just have to agree that we can
46:54
listen to each other and think about that and maybe gain a new
46:57
perspective and provide some feedback that's maybe useful to
47:00
you. And, and maybe we collaborate
47:01
with other people or maybe one day those all come together.
47:04
But I think there's this, there's this, you have to be on
47:07
this team approach. And that's not how saving our
47:13
future works, right? We're all, like you said
47:16
earlier, Team humanity, right? Like that's, that's where we
47:19
have to be. Yeah, I mean, I love that.
47:21
And and I agree with you by the way on the scale of the
47:24
challenge, I'm approaching that very clear eyed in the book.
47:28
And actually the, the, the most difficult part of the book of
47:31
all is Part 3, which is on transformation, which is how do
47:35
we transform to actually make it to the age of abundance for all
47:41
and realize that this unity, this kind of ancient prophecy
47:47
that's in every spiritual tradition of heaven and earth
47:50
emerging. I actually think it's this
47:52
lifetime for you and me and for and for most of the people
47:56
listening to this. Maybe not if they're like super
47:58
old, but if they're kind of in our general age range or maybe
48:02
even a little bit older than us and they're going to survive for
48:05
the next, you know, 15/15/20 years.
48:08
That my version of that, both mystically and metaphorically,
48:13
is this age of abundance for all, where the only way we will
48:17
make it to that age that I can see is if love conquers fear.
48:21
I don't see any other way because we're going to be
48:23
dealing with technologies that are so incredibly powerful that
48:28
they can manifest great, great harm and they can manifest
48:33
great, great good. You know, and, and you know, the
48:37
destiny of humanity has always been to create easier, more
48:42
loving lives through technology. It started with the discovery of
48:45
fire. We could use fire to set people
48:47
on fire and burn down villages, or we can use it to cook our
48:49
food and create, you know, work. Let's talk about the, you know,
48:53
two things. One, there's a skill for this
48:55
right of of the the planetary development and and when you
48:59
think of Kartik shop skills and something you think about that,
49:03
yeah, we're at that point of going to like this next.
49:06
Like it's a it's a huge leap. It's a huge leap in a short
49:10
period of time. It's a huge leap in a short
49:11
period of time and the chasm is extremely wide and we're doing
49:15
everything we can to like, well, let's not run from the edge.
49:18
Let's go back a few like we're going backwards again.
49:20
It's my plea. But but you said something there
49:23
that was that was really, really interesting when you when you
49:27
talk from your perspective and writing this book right now,
49:30
would you have openly said is like the most important thing
49:33
you've ever written, which I completely can't.
49:35
Think of anything more important that I could be doing right now
49:39
than putting it all on the field to help humanity get there.
49:43
And and, you know, to be clear, like, I don't view myself as
49:46
like a savior. I think a lot of people are
49:49
bringing the light. I think Mustafa Suleiman's
49:51
bringing the light. I think the Mississippi.
49:53
This is Doctor Fifi, Lee Mira Murati, Reed, Reed Hoffman, Eric
49:58
Schmidt. I mean, there's a lot of people
50:00
that are that are putting it all out there on the field and
50:03
realize the stakes and, and are technologically proficient
50:06
enough to realize how exponential this actually is.
50:10
I mean for me, a week of tech progress right now in 2025 feels
50:14
like a year 10 years ago. I would, you know, I, I, I, for
50:19
me, the world I'm in, I think it's even more Yeah, it's crazy.
50:25
I, I think we went from like a yearly thing to a quarterly to a
50:28
monthly to a weekly. I feel like every day there's
50:31
some new thing that, you know, it's just like really, really
50:37
amazing. But you know, we've talked, we,
50:40
we keep dancing around the a couple of topics, kind of three
50:46
topics, the, the, the fear of, of technology, right?
50:50
The, the fear of each other, right?
50:53
I mean, there's, there's certainly, you know, we've built
50:57
a world based on, you know, US versus them and, you know, since
50:59
the Cold War and now the new kind of Cold War and all this
51:02
stuff. And then kind of this, this
51:07
almost fear of spirituality, almost like, you know, it's a
51:12
bad thing if you're religious or spiritual or whatever.
51:15
And I'm, I'm super spiritual, not super religious.
51:19
My grandmother took me to synagogue, went to Methodist,
51:23
Vadnais, you know, Catholic. I've, I've been, yeah,
51:27
absolutely. And and and and.
51:30
I've got a respect for all. Those and and you should.
51:33
And, you know, if you want to get respect for all those or if
51:36
you have a question, go, go to Jerusalem, go to Vatican City,
51:41
go into the, the, the, you know, the, the, the, the catacombs and
51:47
be like, that's the body of the guys they wrote about a couple
51:52
thousand years ago. And there's like a record of
51:54
everyone who's watched them for that.
51:56
So you have a record of your father's father's father's
51:59
father's father's father's father's being there.
52:01
And knowing that puts a little different perspective on it.
52:03
You know, some, some of this stuff is extremely well
52:07
documented. And again, I'm more spiritual.
52:09
I think they they all have that. But but that we have to get
52:14
people to be comfortable in their own stance.
52:18
We put so much, and I blame social media a lot on this, put
52:21
so much on what other people think.
52:23
What will they think if I say I go to church?
52:25
What will they think if I say on this, Oh, you're Jewish?
52:29
Should I say that I'm Catholic or not or whatever.
52:31
We put in all of these weird things when like that's.
52:34
Just all programming bullshit. It's all programming bullshit.
52:36
And so there's that. And then you say, OK, you know,
52:41
the fear of each other. We don't look for opportunities
52:45
of collaboration. We seem to seek out
52:48
opportunities for confrontation because through that
52:51
confrontation, we can prove that we're right or we're just we're
52:55
whatever. And that really, really bugs me
52:58
that that that's driving politics.
53:00
It's driving geopolitics, driving everything, and it's
53:03
going to drive us into the ground, right?
53:05
So you've got this fear of being open about your spirituality.
53:09
Who cares? And and the reason we have that
53:12
fear, I think is part because we have that, that kind of like
53:16
angst against each other, it seems on a, on a thing.
53:18
So by telling me what your spirituality or your religion
53:21
is, you're potentially giving me an arrow in my career to shoot
53:24
right back at you, right. And that's a big, big problem
53:28
for me. I see.
53:28
I just meet so many people all in the world that that that
53:32
don't have that attitude. And then when you go out into
53:35
the world, it really exacerbates it.
53:37
But you're like, oh, I see this everywhere.
53:39
Like if you go to, you know, Xena puts on this amazing
53:43
conference called Expanse, you go there, it's like Burning Man
53:48
meets Ted meets S 5. It's whatever.
53:50
And you're like, these people all wonderful.
53:53
If if I was, everybody's going to get their moment in the sun.
53:56
Nobody's competitive. If you know, everybody's helping
53:59
these incredible communities, what Yarrow Kramer has done with
54:03
Hatch phenomenal community. We have too few of those.
54:06
So we need more of those. Because if you fix that that
54:09
middle problem, I think you you fix the problem over here on on
54:12
this side. The fear of technology then
54:14
becomes the biggest problem, right, because we over hype it
54:19
and we make a bunch of promises. We get all these crazy dystopian
54:22
sci Fi's and we have literally talking about the bullshit
54:25
programming programmed people to be scared of AI robots and all
54:31
these things. And you know, you were talking
54:35
earlier about, you know, fire and could have been used for
54:38
this for that. You know, I gave a talk at the
54:41
Vatican at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and I I was
54:46
supposed to talk more about quantum.
54:47
I talked a little bit more about A and quantum and how they're
54:49
gathering kind of this dystopian views you all in the future.
54:54
You and I have talked about this, but we used to think
54:57
electricity was going to burn down entire towns, right?
55:00
Like that, that was a thing, right?
55:04
You can go through everything from fire to electricity that
55:08
nuclear was on and on and on. And there are almost every time
55:14
these two opposing views. And the one that wins out is the
55:18
fear, right? Fear is incredible, incredible
55:22
power. It's incredible motivator and I
55:25
think. Actually, let me let me just
55:27
challenge that because because actually I don't agree with
55:29
that. Like like it was fearful at the
55:32
beginning, you know, think about, you know, the telephone,
55:36
like people thought it was an instrument of the devil,
55:38
etcetera. And but we did conquer that.
55:41
Like, actually, we did. You know we did.
55:43
Oh no, I think we can conquer it.
55:45
I'm just saying. But but at the beginning.
55:46
It was very fearful, I guess. So I guess my point is, you're
55:49
exactly right. What my point is, is we start
55:52
from this hope and fear, right? And we start always.
55:57
We didn't start on this defensiveness of fear.
55:59
That's the right, and that's the way our brain is.
56:02
And and, and, and fair enough, right, our, our fight or flight
56:06
and all of that exactly. And I think the thing as having
56:09
to change all of this is we have to think about things before we
56:14
say them in technology and the impacts we have to openly
56:17
address the things that people are fearful about to lessen that
56:20
put us on a little more even ground.
56:21
Where I hope we go to in the next 10 years is we start with a
56:24
a optimistic, hopeful view as these new technologies start to
56:27
emerge. And they're going to be dozens
56:29
of world changing new technologies that emerge in the
56:31
next 10 years. And and not start with that that
56:34
fear things. You're exactly right.
56:36
But it's a great, you know, it's a biological motivator.
56:40
I mean, what you're saying about the mingle, that's that's it is
56:44
part of our makeup. And you talked earlier about
56:47
transcending things and you said that third part of the book of
56:50
transformation or transformation is, is is super hard because the
56:55
hardest part is we literally have to kind of rewire.
56:58
We do our brains to think about power, love.
57:02
The thing that has helped me get to where I'm at today more than
57:04
anything is my wife. My wife loves love.
57:07
She celebrates love. She's all about love.
57:09
She's all about the universe loves anything into that.
57:12
And you can't be around a person like that and not have it
57:16
influence you in a really positive way.
57:20
And it's taken away my need to be competitive.
57:24
It's taken my all of these things.
57:26
And the more that those things have been dropped off, the
57:29
lighter I get and the faster I move towards something better
57:33
and the happier I am, you know, just in general, like I'm under
57:40
more pressure now in my life in every way, shape and form.
57:45
From the obvious national security implications of the
57:47
work I'm doing on and what other countries think to, you know,
57:50
the, the funding pressures, all the entrepreneurial stuff, just
57:53
personal pressures like traveling too much.
57:55
And I would defend. I've never been happier or felt
57:59
more confident and secure in myself and my love for my wife
58:04
and my love for my family and where we're at as a unit.
58:08
That's and all of that credit gives to my wife and it's, but
58:11
it, it took a long time to get there.
58:13
And the thing that I worry about when you talk about 10 to 15
58:15
years is it probably took me 10 years to get there.
58:19
In all honesty, if you're objective with yourself, I was
58:21
not that person two years ago and I'm a fairly smart guy that
58:29
grew up in a very you have to be very objective with yourself.
58:32
Sorry, you suck right. Like my dad had no problem.
58:35
Like come on, things act like it is.
58:37
And even with that upbringing, even with that attitude, it took
58:40
me 10 years to change. And we probably have two to
58:43
three years for people to change their hearts and minds.
58:47
If the next seven are going to be used to to prevent the bad
58:49
things and put us on that utopian path and so I'm like not
58:54
seeing like it took me as long as it takes every that long.
58:56
I'm thinking what could inspire what's the countless for us for
59:00
an entire species right who have the complexity of that problem
59:06
gets so huge because you have different religions and
59:08
different financials. That's different upbringing is
59:09
different. You know it's.
59:12
To this because this, you know, I'm thinking.
59:15
About your third part of the book now, like I openly is No, I
59:18
love it. It seems monstrously.
59:20
Hard it is the monstrously hard. In the first short story, God's
59:24
Final Exam, I do talk about what that catalyst would be that
59:27
would unite us all. But but let's come back to that
59:30
because I'm going to come back to transformation.
59:31
I want to, I want to rewind a little bit because a lot of
59:35
people watching this don't know anything about quantum
59:38
competing. They don't even know how it
59:40
works. They don't know anything about
59:42
quantum physics. And that's not to say there's
59:45
not a tremendously talented, you know, intelligent number of
59:50
people watching this. It's just that most people
59:52
haven't had any exposure to it. I personally learned a ton about
59:55
quantum computing in the last year.
59:57
I didn't know that much about it, even though I've been in
59:59
touch with me. No one.
1:00:00
And then by that, because I, I mean, I, I was in New York last
1:00:05
week with incredibly smart people and, you know, I was
1:00:09
like, right before I start, who has heard of quantum whatever.
1:00:14
Yeah, yeah. I mean it's you out of a room.
1:00:16
So there were 50 in the room. I'd say about four or five,
1:00:19
which is which is changing depending on the rooms.
1:00:23
I can, I'm going to say right now it's about 3 out of 10.
1:00:27
If I take all of the times I've opened with that and averaged
1:00:30
them, it's been 0 out of 10 for for seven years, right, right.
1:00:35
So we're, we're on a we're. On a good trajectory.
1:00:38
So I really want the audience to just have like the five minute
1:00:44
early, you know, education on what is quantum computing, how
1:00:49
does it work? How are we going to make it
1:00:51
stable? Why is it legal hair?
1:00:54
Actually, my literally. Oh yeah, it's literally it's.
1:00:56
An elevator. Favorite thing, right?
1:01:00
I, I've done more talks about this around the world for no
1:01:03
reason than I have for anything for the business, right?
1:01:05
Because I've, I, I, I love it. I think it's so important.
1:01:10
So it is let's, let's, let's put that in the perspective people
1:01:14
can, can understand. So right now, from your iPhone
1:01:18
or Android phone to the greatest supercomputer in the world, it
1:01:21
all works on bits. They're all very standardized
1:01:24
and bits are effectively a little gay, right?
1:01:26
We block a signal to zero. We let it do.
1:01:28
It's a one, You know, we've got 3 billion transistors in your
1:01:32
freaking iPhone, and we use a big hunk of those for error
1:01:34
correction, which is basically you run the math and we check
1:01:37
them out. We've built an incredible
1:01:40
society and incredible technologies from AI to the
1:01:43
Internet to everything on that system.
1:01:46
But there's a lot of things beyond that scope, intractable
1:01:50
problems. This is where we get into
1:01:52
finding new sources of energy, the material science.
1:01:56
We need to go terraform those other planets, not curing
1:02:00
diseases but eliminating them, all of these things.
1:02:03
And so when you think of those bits, you say you have 4 bits,
1:02:08
you have 16 outcomes. And on a classical system, which
1:02:12
is what we call today's computers, you can be in any one
1:02:15
of those outcomes at any moment in time.
1:02:17
And if I add a fifth bit and I have 25 and it can be in one of
1:02:20
those, everything we know works that way.
1:02:24
But now take something like a salt atom or some atom blew it
1:02:27
up, pull an electron off, cool it down as cold as space.
1:02:31
So just a little bit above, you know, 0 Kelvin, trap it with
1:02:35
lasers and an ion trap. Do any one of a number of
1:02:37
different techniques to control this.
1:02:40
And instead of that gate, we have a a soccer ball straight up
1:02:43
is one straight down to zero. And we can Orient at any
1:02:46
position and we can invoke the laws of quantum mechanics and
1:02:49
some really cool things. So things like teleportation,
1:02:53
superposition and entanglement, those are probably the three
1:02:56
most important terms to know on that.
1:02:59
And so if I have 4 cubits, I still have those 16 outcomes.
1:03:03
And that's what these are called a cubit versus a bit that's.
1:03:06
Right. But I can be in all 16 outcomes
1:03:09
at the same moment in time, right?
1:03:11
If I add a bit and then I have two to the end, the number of
1:03:14
bits. And so why is it if you had a
1:03:17
cubit, if you had a cubit, Yep, that's right.
1:03:19
Why is this so powerful? Why is this so important?
1:03:25
Traveling salesperson is a horrible example to give, but
1:03:28
it's the one that will help people understand it the most.
1:03:31
I have a brand new MacBook. It's got 128 gigs RAM doing
1:03:35
online modeling and it's decked out.
1:03:37
You and I want to go to 14 cities to share this message of
1:03:41
of of love and the future of abundance and all of this.
1:03:44
And you guys, here's the 14 cities and I write an
1:03:47
application to plan out the most optimized path for us to do all
1:03:51
of that. That computer probably takes 5
1:03:53
to 7000 seconds to to do all of that math and do what's called
1:03:58
the evaluation time from the time we execute the program to
1:04:00
the time we get the answer back, 5 to 7000 seconds.
1:04:03
Not a long time. We get a great itinerary.
1:04:05
It's going to be awesome. I'm assuming I'm traveling with
1:04:07
you. We're traveling.
1:04:08
Well, it's Four Seasons all the way.
1:04:09
We're not staying at any any places that that I normally stay
1:04:13
at. We stay at the Jr.
1:04:14
E Hotel in in Aki Bar over into. You know, I, I always, always,
1:04:19
always, when it's come to a company, I'm always to save as
1:04:22
much money as possible. Absolutely.
1:04:24
Yeah. But now you're the company.
1:04:25
So you know, sparge a little. But we did that in 5 to 7000
1:04:29
seconds, 14 cities. Now you say, you know what,
1:04:32
let's go to 22 cities. So difference of only 8, that
1:04:36
same system would take thousands of years to get to that answer.
1:04:41
And if we went to 28, it would take longer than the time in the
1:04:44
universe based on current universal estimates which we
1:04:47
know are now in question. And so these are what you call
1:04:51
intractable problems. It's not that a classical
1:04:54
computer couldn't get to those answers like take a
1:04:56
supercomputer. It's that it might take
1:04:58
thousands or 10s of thousands or hundreds of thousands or
1:05:00
millions of years to get to that answer.
1:05:03
And, you know, we probably couldn't keep it running that
1:05:05
long. We're not be around.
1:05:06
Some of those problems are going to solve a lot sooner.
1:05:09
So this is the first. And and there's a, you know,
1:05:12
people will say, oh, but what about neuromorphic?
1:05:14
That's different than von Neumann architectures.
1:05:16
But in classical computers, it's still all based on pretty much
1:05:19
von Neumann architectures. This is the first change in
1:05:23
computing in the history of computing.
1:05:26
And no one is taking it, you know, seriously enough.
1:05:29
To me, that's why I'm writing babies books and dummies books
1:05:32
and articles and doing everything to, to, to, to make
1:05:35
it as widely acceptable and digestible as possible.
1:05:38
Because think back to 1959 and they mention an integrated
1:05:43
circuit and think of everything that's changed and think of the
1:05:46
pace like you talked about changing faster and faster.
1:05:49
And now think about put a stake in the ground there and say, and
1:05:52
now there's a completely new type of computer that can do
1:05:55
things now, I mean. I think it I think.
1:05:57
It's everything gets reinvented. Yeah.
1:05:59
It's a new Internet. It's new ways of communication.
1:06:01
It's new material sciences new, Biological Sciences new and.
1:06:05
Let's talk like how do you see it helping us get to the age of
1:06:11
abundance for all? I mean it does impact
1:06:13
everything, but like what are some of the most intractable
1:06:15
problems that I mean acceleration with quantum, the
1:06:18
one that I. You know, there's kind of three
1:06:21
that I kind of focus on, right? The first one is, you know, love
1:06:25
for my fellow man, eliminating disease, right?
1:06:32
There are a lot of smart people, my business partner Mike being
1:06:36
one of them, who are taken out of this world before they can
1:06:40
probably fulfill their potential by cancers or other other
1:06:45
diseases. You know.
1:06:49
So that's a being that's a very personal touching one, right?
1:06:52
I can name 50 people I know that that have been, you know, taken
1:06:58
out by cancer that probably could have made huge
1:07:01
contributions to the world and into this this vision that
1:07:03
you're that you're sharing with everybody on this podcast.
1:07:06
So that's a big one for me. How does that happen?
1:07:09
It happens in discovery new peptides and small molecule
1:07:12
research and and molecular science.
1:07:14
A lot of that quantum computing will be infinitely better for
1:07:18
them. And and massive simulations,
1:07:20
right? That's right, and that was
1:07:21
molecular science. I'm talking about the
1:07:23
simulations like caffeine molecule has like 160 components
1:07:26
or something or whatever. I'm not a chemist.
1:07:28
It would take an insane amount of cost to to do a digital twin
1:07:32
in that hardware and software wise, but you can do it on a
1:07:35
quantum computer. Another 200 Qunits right.
1:07:37
So this one for one, like using the physical world to, to
1:07:42
stimulate, you know, the physical world that is going to
1:07:44
be world changing in a number of areas.
1:07:47
So there's that. The second one after I think
1:07:51
about, you know, disease, I think about power, which
1:07:56
arguably could be my #1 because AI is soaking up more and more
1:07:59
power. And, and we all know that those
1:08:02
data centers soaking water and we, we know there's going to be
1:08:04
a water crisis in the future. And you know, so, so those are
1:08:08
those are very close one and two, not only will quantum
1:08:13
computers use less power, quantum processor probably use
1:08:16
about the power of three hair dryers or so.
1:08:18
OK, now some of the other rings around them can use more, but
1:08:21
it's still infinitely less than in, in my opinion, than in a lot
1:08:25
of the systems we use today. But the discovery of new forms
1:08:29
and you think about companies like General Fusion and and
1:08:33
others, we need new power. We used in 2024 about 680 exa
1:08:42
joules of power and now with AI and everything in 23, sorry, and
1:08:47
now in 24, we've already seen this this creep up in the need
1:08:51
for power. And you know, how do we transmit
1:08:55
the power? What kind of power are we
1:08:56
generating? How is it managed?
1:08:59
All these problems become very, very scientific, fundamental
1:09:02
science problems. And therefore I think quantum
1:09:04
computers are going to be really great for exploring the forms of
1:09:07
power, coming up with better battery chemistry for the
1:09:09
storage of things of that nature.
1:09:11
So, so disease and. Power and and by the way, power
1:09:14
like you know, one book I finished recently is a Deep
1:09:17
Future by Pablos Holman. Great, great book A lot wrote a
1:09:20
very long review on it online. But power is the foundation of
1:09:25
every major problem to solve, including like desalinization of
1:09:29
our water. You know which Israel is like a
1:09:32
role leader in to to, you know, nearly unlimited food and you
1:09:39
know, just, I mean, literally you could if you solved power,
1:09:43
you could do you could have levitating cities.
1:09:46
Yeah, because because you would, you would have the power to do.
1:09:48
That my close third again, these are it's hard to rank them, but
1:09:52
I think of the thing like most people affected me most, which
1:09:54
is the disease that has killed my friends.
1:09:58
I think of the the need for power for us to be able to do a
1:10:01
lot of these things to talk about.
1:10:02
And then for me and people, it's interesting, is agriculture, not
1:10:07
just the chemistry behind better fertilizers and all these things
1:10:10
and more sustainable stuff and all that, But if you look at the
1:10:13
continent of Africa over the last few years, they've lost 34%
1:10:17
of their ability to produce food.
1:10:21
And I think everybody would agree Africa is an emerging
1:10:24
economy, emerging area like it is, you know, so, so it's an
1:10:27
important place. And so you talked about losing
1:10:30
1/3 of your food protection. Sounds horrifying, right?
1:10:33
So for, there's so many other things.
1:10:35
We started out talking about Chad.
1:10:37
That's right. You know, there's a lot of
1:10:38
people that are starting. That are starting and so I think
1:10:42
about and and a better way to look at it, you know, it is
1:10:45
probably you know, but let's feed the people.
1:10:49
Let's let's keep them free of disease and let's give them the
1:10:52
power to do something. When would probably be how I
1:10:54
would say it if I was, you know, really positioning is like what
1:10:58
would I do first? I would probably try to start
1:11:00
with the in providing, you know, sustenance for people moving to
1:11:06
giving them power for all the reasons desalinization or, you
1:11:11
know, providing electricity. I mean, a lot of these places
1:11:14
don't even have electricity, you know, food or electricity to,
1:11:18
to, to, to giving them, you know, the ability to, to, to
1:11:23
cure diseases, eliminate diseases.
1:11:26
There are so many opportunities in those three areas, let alone
1:11:31
everything else. There are thousands of, of
1:11:35
little opportunities those areas, just this form of cancer,
1:11:38
just this discovery of a drug that delays the disease enough
1:11:42
for you to get to that point. This fertilizer that allows you
1:11:46
to produce more crops or crops that are more resistant to to
1:11:50
certain things, be it, you know, climate or disease or whatever.
1:11:54
There are so many opportunities and that's what fascinates me.
1:11:57
I think the problem I have is there's not enough people
1:12:01
working on those opportunities. And so democratizing the
1:12:05
technology in a way where everybody can participate in
1:12:08
scientific process. And and I, by the way, I'm a
1:12:11
whole room myself. I call it sci curious, right?
1:12:15
Getting as many people as curious about science possible
1:12:18
to get them to want to participate.
1:12:21
And then they give them the platform on which they can not
1:12:24
just participate, but more importantly collaborate.
1:12:27
And it not be about. I mean, I think things in
1:12:30
medicine are so jacked up because research is not shared
1:12:33
amongst everybody in a lot of cases because somebody's in win
1:12:36
a Nobel Prize, right? And that's that ego we talked
1:12:38
about earlier putting, you know, like if I had all of the
1:12:43
knowledge in the world that I thought could help, I would
1:12:45
share with everybody, I don't really care.
1:12:46
I don't want to. I think history books become a
1:12:49
thing of the past in the world that you're describing.
1:12:52
And I think the importance and I think that's what I have a
1:12:55
disdained for a lot of Silicon Valley right now, because when
1:12:59
you see people hesitate on the e-mail, any question, we see
1:13:02
people do this. What I see is you don't want
1:13:05
everybody to be equal because that's a problem for you.
1:13:07
You have a fear of that, right? I don't have a fear.
1:13:10
I don't care if well, I think, you know, somebody uses a
1:13:13
technology that I worked so hard on me to do something great and
1:13:17
they even stare step me or whatever I care about.
1:13:20
I now have a 29 year old, a nine year old and an 8 year old and
1:13:25
everybody always says I worry about the future for my kids.
1:13:27
There is never been a more terrifying time as a parent than
1:13:31
right now thinking about the future of especially my 2
1:13:34
youngest children and thinking of you're talking about them
1:13:38
being seniors in high school in the time period.
1:13:40
We're talking about the greatest change technologically,
1:13:44
geopolitically, socially, everything and spiritually
1:13:47
hopefully in the world right in their formative.
1:13:51
It's terrifying as a parent, I get asked by parents around the
1:13:56
world all the time, executives speaking at colleges, whatever,
1:14:01
Hey, how should I prepare my kid for this qualm AI kind of
1:14:05
future? And even the honest answer is
1:14:08
like, I'm working on that. I don't know.
1:14:12
But as soon as I know, I'll tell you.
1:14:14
I give them all the normal stuff you would say about, you know,
1:14:17
immersion in this and what was it?
1:14:19
Was about though, because, because for people it's.
1:14:22
Such a difficult question to answer honestly.
1:14:25
And I don't have a problem saying, you know, I, I don't
1:14:29
know because even two years ago you probably would have told
1:14:36
people computer science is still a good sure thing to be doing.
1:14:39
And now we're like, whoa, whatever you do, don't put your
1:14:41
kid in computer science. I I.
1:14:42
Wouldn't say that, actually. Yeah, let's talk about that.
1:14:45
Our youngest actually is deep in computer science and robotics.
1:14:50
So I I. But but being in it, but being
1:14:52
it, but you're not. Do you see them getting a formal
1:14:54
degree in it? Do you think about it?
1:14:56
I mean, they're, let's put it this or.
1:14:58
If they want to, then I would 100% support it because if you,
1:15:03
if you go back in time, just for a moment, it was probably 15
1:15:08
years ago and maybe it was even longer than that.
1:15:11
Maybe it's 20 years ago, you know, being 53 now, like it
1:15:14
could have been longer ago. But but when Thomas Friedman
1:15:17
came out with the book The World is Black, one of my friends at
1:15:22
that time, he stopped his son from doing computer science.
1:15:28
He literally said you can no longer program and he said there
1:15:32
are going to be no jobs because it's all going to go to India.
1:15:35
I've read this book, etcetera. And I told him at the time in a
1:15:40
very loving, respectful way, but I still told him, I said, you
1:15:42
are an idiot. And I said, thank goodness you
1:15:45
were not my mom because my mom saw that I had a passion and did
1:15:53
everything she could to feed that passion unconditionally
1:15:56
with, with love. And so if, if, if it's right for
1:16:02
the child and that really is their soul song, their passion,
1:16:08
you know, their divine calling, you know, however you want to
1:16:11
say that, then I think you feed it with everything you've got.
1:16:15
Because if you studied computer science today, you know, yeah.
1:16:21
Are you going to be doing low level coding, etcetera?
1:16:23
Probably not. But you're going to have a
1:16:27
mastermind thinking strategy in terms of.
1:16:30
How to use it? Yeah, when I you know, when I
1:16:31
talk about that, you can just. Chat with it, but if you can
1:16:34
think like assistance, then that's right then if you're
1:16:36
chatting with it totally. It's totally I think you have
1:16:39
the benefit of parents and the special my grandmother huge
1:16:42
influence of my life who did that unusual sport say, all
1:16:45
right, we're going to do whatever was so.
1:16:47
My mom and dad both did that. I I totally agree.
1:16:50
Yeah, my dad kind of did. I mean, I love my dad and he was
1:16:54
amazing. You know, they both have passed
1:16:56
away sadly. But, but, but my dad, he
1:17:00
invented everything in physical world space.
1:17:03
So a lot of and, but, but he, he ultimately got it when he was
1:17:06
later and he was like, I'm glad you didn't listen to me and all
1:17:09
this virtual stuff you've been creating, like I'm really proud
1:17:12
of you. So.
1:17:13
So we had a reconciliation. A lot of things I could say
1:17:15
about my dad, extremely, you know, Vietnam, green Berea,
1:17:19
extremely tough guy, very built things of his world.
1:17:23
I he never once failed to support me in at times when I
1:17:32
was when I was growing up and he I remember we had a neighbor
1:17:37
that had a Epson computer, one of those little ones that had
1:17:40
him know them and that was that was super cool.
1:17:43
My first man was 110 bald. My dad took one of one of his
1:17:46
guns. You know, he's a huge gun guy
1:17:48
and he traded the guy and it was the thing he really loved to get
1:17:52
me that computer so that I could, you know, he could keep
1:17:54
encouraging that. So my mom and dad and and
1:17:57
especially my grandmother were were extreme.
1:18:00
That's one thing and say the extremist support about that.
1:18:03
When you come back to that, I'm talking about more like the
1:18:06
degree plans and stuff. That's what sci curious is
1:18:08
about. What, what I my answer right now
1:18:10
to people is get your kids sci curious, curious about every
1:18:15
science you can, computers, robots, whatever it is.
1:18:19
Let them watch videos on YouTube, let them read their
1:18:21
books, let them go mess with stuff buying the little kids
1:18:24
with the little soldering guys. Right?
1:18:25
100%. We we agree on that.
1:18:29
I I worry though, that those parents are so focused on the
1:18:36
materialism again, about my kids going to have to have a job that
1:18:39
is this degree or that that that's where I talked about the
1:18:43
like is like about a computer science degree specifically.
1:18:47
I think generalist went out in the future and curiosity, you
1:18:53
know, driven their minds went out in the future.
1:18:56
Yeah. So I think what you just said,
1:18:58
the Harp civilization, let them play with all of it.
1:19:01
Yeah, our oldest is a triple major in business psychology and
1:19:04
creative writing. And I'm like you actually may
1:19:07
have the perfect comment. Or.
1:19:09
Let's go. That is a generalist.
1:19:12
Yeah, kind of my and that she's very curious about.
1:19:15
It she's got that, that that's the kind of people I think that
1:19:18
are going to to rise up and hopefully lead everybody,
1:19:21
because we're still going to have people who are, you know,
1:19:25
they're going to be Luddites about it.
1:19:27
They're not going to want to adopt, but I want to change and
1:19:30
and this is part of that. You know, I keep coming back to
1:19:33
that fear thing because we're talking about love.
1:19:35
I think we got to eliminate that fear because people fearing it
1:19:39
means they don't adopt it, which means it becomes a self
1:19:43
creating, you know, self self fulfilling prophecy, a self
1:19:46
created reality. I was worried about being
1:19:49
displaced by computers so I didn't mess what they are and
1:19:51
everything. And now I've been displaced.
1:19:53
So I was right and that fear was right and drives people further
1:19:56
and further away from that path. When the reality is, is like,
1:20:00
you know, you shouldn't embrace all that and everything and you
1:20:03
may miss an opportunity, you know.
1:20:05
I do want to address one thing really quickly.
1:20:08
I I do 100% agree with you that college is going to be
1:20:12
dramatically remade in the next three years.
1:20:15
By the time our youngest user goes to college, it's going to
1:20:19
be very, very different because you know it like I, I still hope
1:20:27
she goes because then it's a social experience 100 just you
1:20:30
know, she can, she can meet other people. 1000.
1:20:33
To you know, form companies white or whatever you.
1:20:35
Think I'll let my youngest play Pop Warner football, is it?
1:20:38
That's him on that path ago. And exactly.
1:20:40
But it's not when I say that, am I putting a little shade on on
1:20:47
institutions that 100% I am nothing Asian on education,
1:20:52
right? Oh yeah.
1:20:52
And I think that a new types of institutions will emerge as
1:20:56
well. They will because they're going
1:20:58
to have to be remade. That's right.
1:20:59
I mean, it's going to be and radically different.
1:21:01
And you're already seeing that, right, like Elon starting
1:21:03
schools and people are starting schools and doing stuff.
1:21:06
So, so that is important. And that one of the most
1:21:09
important part is that social thing.
1:21:10
What we're talking about is all based in social awareness and,
1:21:14
and, and in social, you know, being enamored with like, wow,
1:21:19
there's a big community of people out in the world and that
1:21:21
could learn a lot to. Know, I mean, just to put this
1:21:23
in a time frame, to put a, put a fine point on it, we're just
1:21:28
over 1000 days today since the launch of ChatGPT 3 years from
1:21:32
now, we'll be over 1000 more days in an exponential curve.
1:21:37
That's right. And so the, the people like
1:21:38
Ethan Moloch MOLLICK on LinkedIn, you know, he's a
1:21:44
warden professor that really is leading with AI in terms of the
1:21:48
reinvention of education, the reinvention of it.
1:21:52
Those are the people to follow. Because it is going to be
1:21:55
radically remade. Absolutely.
1:21:57
And it's going to be it's, it's going to be wild.
1:22:00
And so it goes back to, you know, your point earlier, which
1:22:03
is really the most important trait for humanity to really
1:22:07
embody right now outside of love is adaptability.
1:22:12
So let's talk, let's let's talk very practically about let's say
1:22:16
that someone is watching this and they're not technical at
1:22:19
all. And they're looking at you and
1:22:20
me and they're like, hey, you know, Whirly and Brad have been
1:22:23
like geeking out since they were young.
1:22:25
And, you know, I like was really lucky to have a mom.
1:22:29
He learned how to program with me at age 7, etcetera.
1:22:33
One of the things that I want to discuss is what do they do to be
1:22:38
prepared? And one of the things I just
1:22:41
want to throw out there is that they they should not look at my
1:22:47
background as something that as a prerequisite is pre is 100%
1:22:54
because not how now you can just literally talk to these things a
1:22:58
human being in the language this is.
1:23:00
The talk in Abu Dhabi, this is the power of a billion minds.
1:23:03
Part of what allows the power of a billion minds is the same
1:23:07
thing allows the whole what has happened and I hope everybody
1:23:11
listening and we directly to camera takes us a heart.
1:23:15
The playing field has been equalized by technology when it
1:23:18
comes to the the the acquisition of knowledge.
1:23:23
And so she's a beautiful it's an incredible thing.
1:23:25
It's as I say everywhere. It's the greatest time to be
1:23:29
alive in the history of our species in the last two years,
1:23:34
right? In part of that thousand days
1:23:36
you're talking about. OK, I have been able to
1:23:43
10X50X100X my knowledge and interaction with the technology.
1:23:48
I work with the quantum mechanics side by asking
1:23:51
questions, by being curious, by doing it, you don't need
1:23:54
anything. I mean, good Lord, Google Now
1:23:57
puts the AI answer at the top above the search results.
1:24:00
It was like, what is quantum computing?
1:24:03
You know, if you, if you were a person who doesn't have a
1:24:07
technological background and maybe you've never been curious
1:24:11
about it and you're just not getting curious about it, wow,
1:24:13
you have an advantage. They could do what we've done in
1:24:16
a lifetime, in the next 6 months, in the next year.
1:24:19
It's incredible. It's incredible.
1:24:22
All you have to do is ask. And if you don't understand what
1:24:25
it says, you can literally say things to like these chat boxes
1:24:28
are like, explain it to me like I'm 5 right right now.
1:24:31
So I mean, there is no excuse for not learning as much as you
1:24:35
can about everything that you possibly want to learn about.
1:24:38
Yeah. I mean, I like, what an
1:24:39
incredible I I say, I say this, I'm jealous.
1:24:43
I'm jealous of everyone who is my kids, my 8 and 9 year old can
1:24:49
ascertain knowledge in the next week, month, quarter year that
1:24:53
took you and I, yeah, five years.
1:24:56
You know, one of my stories I used to tell when I was first
1:24:58
starting public speaking is I used to say like, you know, I'd
1:25:01
say, you know, you live the greatest time to live and
1:25:03
people. I was like, I used to have to
1:25:06
cut the UPC codes out of cereal boxes and go to a physical
1:25:11
e-mail box called the post office on my bike which was 7
1:25:13
miles away and mail it off and wait 6 to 812 weeks to get a
1:25:18
electronic component in the mail.
1:25:20
And then piece them together of the course of like an entire
1:25:22
summer. And you can apply for a credit
1:25:26
card as a as a teenager and fire up more power on Amazon with a
1:25:30
very limited credit union than most countries had 10 years ago.
1:25:35
Mind blowing. And that's The thing is like my
1:25:37
biggest piece of advice would be to really just dive in and use
1:25:43
these. I mean first of all you can use
1:25:45
them for free, second of all if you want to pay for it, which I
1:25:48
recommend, it's $20.00 a month. Most people have a Netflix
1:25:51
subscription. They can't pay 20 bucks a month
1:25:54
most people. Have a have a Netflix and a who
1:25:57
and whatever you know, like, hey, drop one of those.
1:26:00
It's like, and that's just in your future because man, my rate
1:26:05
of learning has gone up exponentially.
1:26:07
I mean, I'm so curious about so many things and I can just go in
1:26:12
and boom, do a deep research report and all I'm doing is I'm
1:26:15
talking with it. I don't even know.
1:26:17
You need to know how to. You got to watch that on Adobe
1:26:19
Video. I will.
1:26:20
I can't agree with you more and can't encourage everyone
1:26:25
listening. 2018I launched Strangeworks.
1:26:30
I've read about quantum review of quantum stuff.
1:26:34
The level isn't deep or wide. I'm just fascinated.
1:26:38
But I have to go and travel around the world to meet
1:26:41
specific professors who are experts in areas to learn from
1:26:46
them. I have to get archaic books on
1:26:49
which they didn't publish that many or whatever.
1:26:52
This great to learn about the thing that I'm doing.
1:26:55
And then all of a sudden the Internet and AI, the information
1:26:59
age gets a copilot and I, I am on equal footing with everyone
1:27:06
in my industry. There's that.
1:27:07
I don't have their experience, sure.
1:27:09
But as far as the knowledge, as far as knowing, oh, that means
1:27:12
that, and this goes with that and this is how that works.
1:27:14
I can, just like you said. And if you're the most.
1:27:16
Esoteric key forget it, forget it.
1:27:18
Research report. That's even better.
1:27:20
I made me a 30 page report on the history of quantum mechanics
1:27:24
over the last 100 years from, you know, Einstein and
1:27:26
Borsarguing to, you know, current day this week on feeding
1:27:30
and go to bed and wake up in the morning to it in my inbox to a
1:27:35
text. I've tied it in a Twilio.
1:27:37
Now it says boom, here's a text of APDF with my report and I can
1:27:41
go to LM studio and be like make a podcast about this, this
1:27:46
report. And so now I don't even have to
1:27:50
read the 30 page report that was created magically for me while I
1:27:53
was sleeping. I can listen to it in the car on
1:27:57
the way over here, which is actually something I was doing.
1:27:59
I did a report last night. I was really curious about, you
1:28:04
know, the whole quantum computer, thermal computer
1:28:05
argument and all these other things.
1:28:07
So I, I, I talk to it, I use Aqua.
1:28:10
I don't know what you use. If you don't use Aqua, you
1:28:11
should get it. I don't use it, yeah.
1:28:13
Aqua's the best. You hit your.
1:28:15
How do you spell just like Aqua Aqua?
1:28:18
Anditsa.com or is it? No.
1:28:20
But if you search Aqua voice to text, it's amazing.
1:28:23
OK, program it. You hit, you hit your, you hit
1:28:26
your key and you say blah, blah, blah, you know, and you let go
1:28:31
or you do, you hit it twice and you just.
1:28:33
Talk. And then wherever your text
1:28:36
cursor is, it's going to put all that text in there.
1:28:38
Amazingly accurate. Very, very.
1:28:40
So this area, like way better than Siri.
1:28:43
Yeah, very little. Siri is so frustrating.
1:28:45
Very little training, very amazing results.
1:28:48
And so last night, I was curious about this.
1:28:50
So what I did was I hit it and I just thought out loud for like
1:28:55
10 minutes. I'd also like to know about
1:28:57
this. I'd like to know about this
1:28:58
little bit. I put that into COD, OK, and it
1:29:05
put it in there. But what I did is at the end I
1:29:08
said, now take everything I've said and give me the ultimate
1:29:11
prompt to go do that for deep research.
1:29:13
So I took all of that. I turned it in a prompt.
1:29:15
I put that into Gemini because I am a big fan of Gemini right now
1:29:18
for the deep research. Deep research, here's Gemini.
1:29:21
And then at the same time that was running, I had chat GDP
1:29:26
finding download links for PDFs on all this topic.
1:29:30
So I took all those PDFs and I put those in the Gemini with
1:29:34
this masterful like 3 page prompt on this.
1:29:37
And I was like go. And then, you know, it sent me
1:29:40
the thing that it was finished and I clicked in my little self.
1:29:43
I love coding my little tools like you do.
1:29:45
I'm sure I clicked on it and it put in the LM Studio and I can
1:29:49
just listen to. And Google, This is Google.
1:29:52
Yes, notebook LM, which is amazing.
1:29:55
Well, now it's built into Gemini, so now when you get your
1:29:57
deep research, you can just click it and booth.
1:30:00
I took I took the entrepreneurs essentials when that came out
1:30:04
and I had each chapter discussed by the two AI.
1:30:07
Oh, I know it's amazing, right? And I I announced that actually
1:30:11
last year as hey, now you can just binge it at the gym for any
1:30:16
chapter you want. You know, it's amazing podcast.
1:30:19
So, so, you know, back to our point, there is no excuse for
1:30:24
anyone to be like, I'm not technical.
1:30:27
I don't know that I can't. This.
1:30:28
Yeah, I mean, this is my son wrote a game for Roblox because
1:30:34
he loves Roblox using these technologies and he's 9 and he
1:30:40
wrote that first time I think he was messing with that was seven.
1:30:43
I think he when he published just the insane game when he was
1:30:46
8. Anyone can do that.
1:30:51
Everyone is at software developer now.
1:30:53
Everyone is a scientist and people just haven't realized it.
1:30:57
And you can pick out any topic and find out and look, people
1:31:02
are like, oh, well, there's this hallucinations, isn't there?
1:31:05
That you'll learn about that as you go through it.
1:31:07
You'll learn to prompt better. You'll learn that hallucinations
1:31:09
are really a result of kind of a bad prompt, right?
1:31:11
Like you kind of gave it that room.
1:31:12
I love these stories about, oh, the AI told the reporter to
1:31:16
leave his wife or whatever. Or my favorite one is lately
1:31:19
there was a study that said AI will, because of the incentives,
1:31:23
it will lie and cheat and blackmail people.
1:31:26
Go read that paper. They were like, we gave it all
1:31:29
of this ability and they even prompted it that you could lie
1:31:31
or cheater blackmail. So of course it's hitting.
1:31:33
They're literally garbage in, garbage out right.
1:31:35
It's like programming what I want like you, literally.
1:31:37
It was like when do that Kevin Roofs of the New York Times so
1:31:40
said that his his AI was trying to convince him to divorce his
1:31:43
wife and like, but he was kind of leading down that dude.
1:31:46
Here's the deal me and man, just divorce your wife like then you
1:31:50
don't got to blame it on the technology.
1:31:51
Exactly. Well, like, I don't think he got
1:31:53
divorced. I think he's like Nathalie Harry
1:31:55
still. I'm just saying.
1:31:56
But but he was leading it down that path and it's been a play
1:31:59
with you if you lead it down. That's right.
1:32:02
So you put in objective statements, you know where to
1:32:06
leave it up or not to. And if you don't know how to
1:32:07
prompt, here's the great news. You can ask it, right?
1:32:10
How do I prompt to not have the lucidations of this?
1:32:13
It'll be like, look, this and and again people say, you know,
1:32:16
I shouldn't somebody get prompt Once it was very long, they
1:32:17
said, oh, I can never write that.
1:32:19
I was like, I didn't write it. I wrote a prompt that said write
1:32:22
me a prompt As of this as a researching the auto mechanics.
1:32:26
It does this, it does that. Make sure it's objective,
1:32:29
eliminate hallucinations, put in references.
1:32:31
That's why I like Jim and I because you get references on
1:32:34
the Internet of everything Google's indexed.
1:32:36
Yeah. So you you got a question about.
1:32:38
I'm not sure about that. You can literally click on it
1:32:40
and go read it for yourself and write it is Yeah, it is the
1:32:44
greatest song of your. Life and so I just want to, I
1:32:45
just want to emphasize that, you know, for for everybody, you
1:32:48
know, watching this is like get in the sand.
1:32:52
We got really excited for that last moment, right.
1:32:54
Well, no, no, no, we did because because honestly, like it's
1:32:57
play, it's play. It's, it's, it's, you know, a
1:33:01
lot of play, you know, when, when we grew up playing games or
1:33:04
chess or any of that stuff, it was also keeping our brain
1:33:08
active. Like what is that game that
1:33:09
people play Sudoku or whatever? I mean, like there's all these
1:33:12
things that people do to keep your bang active.
1:33:15
This is the ultimate thing not to be intimidated about because
1:33:18
if you know how to speak to a human being, but then you know
1:33:21
how to use. One, if you don't, if you have a
1:33:22
fear of speaking, the human being, guess what?
1:33:24
No humans around. That's just you.
1:33:25
And that could be great. But you know, you said something
1:33:27
there that I want to hit on. What is the greatest way to
1:33:30
learn play? You're exactly right, everything
1:33:34
you said, and it's the greatest way to learn and it's abundantly
1:33:37
available for free and or cheap. And there is almost no limit to
1:33:43
the knowledge you can gain from that.
1:33:45
And so, you know, I would love for people to get more curious
1:33:49
about science specifically, but start with maybe you need help
1:33:54
in this help in that. Maybe it's a repair.
1:33:56
Do you know for the last two years, I have never called a
1:34:01
repair person to the house? I've always started with wow.
1:34:04
I've always started with that's good.
1:34:06
And now with Jim and I, it's funny, I.
1:34:09
Was just having this conversation with my sister
1:34:12
yesterday and I was talking about the future of humanity,
1:34:17
and right now would be a good time to actually learn plumbing
1:34:22
skills. Yeah, because it's going to take
1:34:24
a long time for the robots to catch up and to get kind of
1:34:28
embodied enough to do the task that a plumber can do.
1:34:33
And it was just kind of like a thing that we're playing around
1:34:36
with. But I was like, do you realize
1:34:37
how easy it would be to learn how to be a plumber now?
1:34:41
Like you would you could have Chachi PT write a tutorial to
1:34:45
take you through a five week course on being a plumber,
1:34:48
including all the not. Really.
1:34:50
Could you do that? You could take Gemini and and so
1:34:52
let me be fair, I don't know preference on the tools.
1:34:54
I pay for the best subscription on Anthropic and Open AI and
1:34:59
Gemini. I do too.
1:35:00
And I just, and I just want to make a point because, you know,
1:35:02
people look at us as like maybe, oh, you know, they can do that
1:35:06
because they have money or whatever.
1:35:07
No, I pay, I pay like per month, OK.
1:35:10
I probably pay about 100 bucks a month.
1:35:13
OK, if I use tools, OK, that's it.
1:35:15
I may have a problem. OK, but that's it.
1:35:17
That's. This thing you can say
1:35:18
intervention. I I pay a. 100.
1:35:20
Bucks is like now. I'm paying a lot more.
1:35:23
I'm paying about 1200 bucks a month for all my subscribers
1:35:26
however. But you're also Aceo.
1:35:29
But hang on, stranger. Hang on, but why?
1:35:33
I would put it on credit if I couldn't afford it and I'll tell
1:35:35
you why in in my depending on where you're where you're at.
1:35:39
I used to work morning, noon and night.
1:35:43
Three years ago I was putting in some 20 hour days.
1:35:46
Since nowadays I have been able for the first time in my career
1:35:52
to do thought experiments, think about my business and think
1:35:55
about the future and have time. A year ago, even I wouldn't be
1:35:59
able to sit here and have this conversation right now on a
1:36:02
Tuesday for one to three because my time was crazy.
1:36:05
Book that I think back to that Charlie Rose interview with Bill
1:36:08
Gates and Warren Buffett or Bill Gates makes fun of his planner
1:36:12
and he's like, look, there's nothing involved on you know,
1:36:14
Bill Gates starts at 4:00 AM and every moment, every second is
1:36:16
planned. And I had been living my life
1:36:18
that way for the majority of the time.
1:36:20
It's strange works. And I'd always thought about
1:36:22
that and what Warren Buffett said, which was what he
1:36:26
basically said, and I'm paraphrasing it because I think
1:36:28
it's even more important than the way he put it, was that, you
1:36:32
know, power and all of that. He said I can buy anything I
1:36:36
want, I can make money, I can do all this stuff.
1:36:37
I can't manufacture time. And therefore that is the most
1:36:41
important commodity and it's the one I should spend the least.
1:36:43
I should be very careful where I invest.
1:36:45
Basically, I pay $1200 a month for subscriptions that give me
1:36:54
hours and hours of my day back, dozens of hours and a seven day
1:36:59
period. And that time is worth
1:37:01
incredibly more than that. I've found a way to use, I need
1:37:05
to learn. I've found a way to use AI at a
1:37:10
very look, it's a big investment, right?
1:37:12
And my wife's going to watch it. She's gonna be like what you do
1:37:14
what? It's all expense, baby.
1:37:17
Wink. No, but, but, but I have found a
1:37:19
way to, I've made a heavy investment in in these programs
1:37:23
and over time, I'll start. I don't use that one as much,
1:37:26
you know, it'll wheedle down. But I started with everything
1:37:29
and I did it because I found something.
1:37:33
I found that Warren Buffett is wrong.
1:37:36
You can manufacture time, you can buy time, and you can buy
1:37:40
time by taking these artificial intelligence tools and
1:37:44
disseminating to them what you're trying to learn and
1:37:48
having them do the research and setting them up to answer emails
1:37:51
and setting them up to do this and do that, and all of a sudden
1:37:56
you can buy. Time.
1:37:57
You know what? This is a very interesting
1:37:58
question. And I wonder if it would.
1:38:00
Buffett use this. JPT I don't know.
1:38:02
We should. I know that I know that he
1:38:04
starts every day by reading for four hours, but I think how much
1:38:08
more efficient that could be if he used 4 hours of ChatGPT to
1:38:12
learn about anything he wants to learn on any company.
1:38:15
Any, you know, absolutely any analysis of any company, deep
1:38:18
research. On I mean.
1:38:19
Where Microsoft's market cap's going to be in two years or
1:38:23
whatever he wants. To whatever.
1:38:24
So, so you know, I had somebody, we're at a, at a kind of think
1:38:29
tank thing. I said, oh, I got all those
1:38:30
subscriptions. Which one are you paying for?
1:38:32
And I said, good Lord, you're spending $1200 a month on AI
1:38:35
tools. And I said, think about $1200 a
1:38:38
month car payment, OK, the fact that I can spend money of any
1:38:45
kind and you could do this for $20.00 a month for most people,
1:38:48
right? Like you said, I am a CEO of
1:38:49
Strange Works and we have crazy complicated, you know, lives
1:38:53
with all these different responsibilities.
1:38:55
But I spend that a month to get back hours in my day.
1:39:00
And let me tell you the greatest thing ever to bring it back to
1:39:02
the topic of this, you're talking about love and all of
1:39:05
that. I've back to being able to watch
1:39:09
a movie with my wife even though she walked out of Mission
1:39:12
Impossible. And I'm going to tell you right
1:39:14
now, I don't blame her. Tom Cruise, That movie was
1:39:18
horrible. The first one was amazing.
1:39:21
The second one was just, she kept where she left was.
1:39:24
You know, he's running everywhere.
1:39:26
He's running about a car. If Tom Cruise is watching this,
1:39:29
he's probably not going to be on the left.
1:39:31
He's a lot more. He's no, he can't.
1:39:34
And he can be like that guy's an idiot, but he's running
1:39:36
everywhere. And I literally will show you a
1:39:38
text message on iPhone because at the end this guy takes off in
1:39:42
a plane and there goes Tom Cruise running.
1:39:44
Actually my wife, she's take a little video and he goes, he's
1:39:47
running again. I'm like, why is he running
1:39:50
everywhere? Oh, it's kind of like an
1:39:53
American Ninja Warrior competition for Tom Cruise.
1:39:56
I guess if you know he's already qualified, he could be an
1:39:59
American Ninja Warrior. But back to that love thing.
1:40:03
The fact that would I spend $1200 a month to be able to sit
1:40:08
with my wife for two hours, go on help watching a movie all day
1:40:12
long every day, that's you cannot put a price on that.
1:40:15
Would I pay $1200 a month to be able to not be working on
1:40:19
Saturdays? To spend 3 hours with my kids at
1:40:22
Pop 1 of this weekend? Absolutely.
1:40:25
To spend the two hours, 3 hours I spent last night editing the
1:40:29
video of their game, putting it to the NFL music to send all of
1:40:33
the parents. So then my kids are like, yeah,
1:40:35
my dad made that. And everybody gets to see their
1:40:37
kids big play from the game. Absolutely.
1:40:39
So what am I paying $1200 a month for?
1:40:42
For the freedom to gain back dozens of hours of my time.
1:40:45
That I get to invest in any way I can.
1:40:47
That I choose to invest with my wife, with my kids, with
1:40:52
charity. Well.
1:40:52
This whatever you just gave the highlight reel too is you're
1:40:55
manifesting more joy in other. For everybody, yeah.
1:40:58
So you're actually. That's exactly right.
1:41:03
It's a. It's a it's a work of love.
1:41:05
It's it's it's you know, you think of like, you know, the
1:41:09
different ways people express their loves.
1:41:11
You know, it's an act of service.
1:41:12
Yeah, right. It's something I can do.
1:41:14
There's nothing. But last year, even before I had
1:41:18
all to say hi, I didn't get to edit the last two videos because
1:41:21
I just didn't have the time. I put together one amazing video
1:41:24
and I was like, that's kind of it guys.
1:41:26
Like I'm out this year. I'm working with the coach and
1:41:30
uploading all of the reels of the every play I take a video of
1:41:33
so he can go back and plan plays and say it's useful to him.
1:41:36
And the parents get this and the kids get to see themselves make
1:41:39
a big play on the video. You know, they watch it 100
1:41:41
times. Is it fine for them?
1:41:42
It gives them confidence. It makes them stronger.
1:41:44
It makes the other kids go, I want to be in that video next
1:41:46
day. All right.
1:41:47
But all of these things from watching the movie with my wife
1:41:50
to being at the kids game, to doing this, to being able to
1:41:53
come here. And I'm really thankful for this
1:41:57
opportunity because I admire you, like way more than you ever
1:42:00
know. And I think, I think this and I
1:42:03
think this mission you're on is so incredible.
1:42:06
Is that worth $1200 a month? It's worth 10 times all day
1:42:10
long. And so I have finally solved for
1:42:15
the biggest problem in my life, which when I saw that video with
1:42:18
Charlie Rose, I was like, wow, what a profound sting that he
1:42:21
just made. He's like, I want the richest
1:42:23
people in the world. You know, I can't do time, but
1:42:26
it turns out you kind of can. Yeah.
1:42:29
That's. Beautiful and and and and that's
1:42:31
what this technology is enabling me to do and what am I doing
1:42:35
every year every month I'm refining it more and more and
1:42:38
more and more and now I'm having it right programs from my
1:42:42
iPhone. You know, I went back, I haven't
1:42:44
had a developer subscription for Apple and it's chaotic or
1:42:47
whatever. I went back and I mean, I'm kind
1:42:50
of like the captain of the US ship in the hunt for Red
1:42:53
October. Like, you know, I can be sent in
1:42:55
Playboy dimensions a month. Like I haven't heard it in so
1:42:57
long And and now I'm like drafting out some stuff.
1:43:00
I started coding. I was like, why am I even doing
1:43:03
this? Why just vibe code this thing
1:43:06
that I want? So I'm collaborating with this
1:43:09
entity and that's what the talk that you're going to put the
1:43:12
link in is about. Is this Co scientist, Co
1:43:15
collaborator where you don't have to have the knowledge in an
1:43:17
area, you just have to have an idea?
1:43:19
Is this talk 1 where you talk about all the tools that you
1:43:23
use? I don't.
1:43:25
Or do you have a? You've never done that.
1:43:26
I need to do I need to do that talk.
1:43:28
You know if if you if you do this by the time this goes live.
1:43:32
You know it's. Great, then.
1:43:33
Then I could literally give a blog post.
1:43:35
I could. Literally go home tonight if
1:43:36
you'll text me later tonight after like 8 or 9.
1:43:39
I literally tell my little engine I built take all the
1:43:43
things I've asked you to do and the tools I've used and right
1:43:45
thing up. Did you?
1:43:46
At the point, totally we done. Yeah, I think that would be so.
1:43:50
I'm talking about how amazing is that?
1:43:52
Like one of the things that I did last weekend, the episode
1:43:57
that's going to air before this one is with Ethan Holland.
1:44:01
And Ethan Holland has an amazing AI newsletter.
1:44:04
He's been doing it since the beginning of Chachi PT and every
1:44:07
week. And now he's up to 36,000 links
1:44:10
and counting. He has like meticulously learned
1:44:14
constantly. Every week he is carved out time
1:44:17
to learn. And so honestly, the reason I
1:44:20
went up there, I mean, he's one of my best friends.
1:44:22
I've known him for for several decades is like Ethan, I just
1:44:25
want to learn from you. And so we just jammed for two
1:44:28
days on AI tools. That's awesome.
1:44:30
And I feel like someone plugged me into the matrix and leveled
1:44:32
me up. But then we did a podcast and it
1:44:35
was it was super fun. Though, but but you know, by the
1:44:38
way, but that's what that thing just means what your listeners
1:44:40
need to hear. Totally.
1:44:41
It is plugging in and yeah, it is taking yourself and making
1:44:45
10XA100X cover. And it's not some weird you're
1:44:48
going to become part of all this new stuff.
1:44:51
You have a tool. It is the greatest tool you
1:44:54
could ever have to do anything your heart desires, anything you
1:44:57
can imagine. For me, you know, it's different
1:45:01
than other people. Somebody might want to be like,
1:45:02
I want to write my own health and Wellness out.
1:45:05
You can do that now. Somebody else might want to be
1:45:08
like, I want to start a business.
1:45:09
You can learn all those things. You can all these things.
1:45:11
For me, it's that my wife has taught me the importance of love
1:45:17
and family and all of that, and it's strange works.
1:45:19
One thing I can say to the credit of my Co founders and my
1:45:22
entire team is we've always call ourself a family first company.
1:45:26
You disappear for all morning. You we're not going to worry
1:45:28
where you're at. Your job's getting done.
1:45:29
We don't care if you have to do something for your family that's
1:45:31
important to do it first. But I've never been able to
1:45:34
actually do that because of time.
1:45:37
And now I get this time that I invested in these amazing things
1:45:41
and and so for me, that's it. But it could be anything.
1:45:45
Maybe you want to change your career, or maybe you wanna be a
1:45:49
designer. There's all these image tools,
1:45:50
there are all these things. I don't know if you've played
1:45:52
with Nano Banana yet or any of the video tools.
1:45:57
I played a lot with Video 3. You've always have a story with
1:46:00
the Google. It's already advanced beyond
1:46:01
Video 3 by orders of magnitude. It's incredible.
1:46:04
You you've always had a story idea.
1:46:06
Maybe that's what you use it for and you publish that kids book.
1:46:09
Or you publish. It I was playing with Ethan too,
1:46:11
that was super fun. Flex is awesome.
1:46:14
I mean, Ethan gets access to Flex.
1:46:16
We not everybody had access. Problem too, we were having a
1:46:20
lot of fun with. I mean, the character
1:46:23
development in that is actually going to help my wife finish her
1:46:27
book. It's incredible.
1:46:29
You know, John Popolo, who I referenced earlier does that dad
1:46:32
saves America podcast, good friend of mine, he's he's going
1:46:35
to my Ethan, but in like the film and creative world and
1:46:37
everything. And I'm always seeing videos.
1:46:39
I'm like, look at this, like look at that, like commercials
1:46:41
are done, like this is done. I mean, I don't know who it was.
1:46:44
It was one of the companies, I think it was a sports company or
1:46:47
something did a commercial. There was all AI generated
1:46:50
during a college game day. Yeah, I watched it.
1:46:54
Yeah. Yeah.
1:46:55
It was pretty good. It's here's what here's the
1:46:59
points take out of that. It doesn't matter what you
1:47:01
thought it was great, you thought it was middling or
1:47:03
you're a producer and you're like, oh, pretty good.
1:47:04
It was average. What matters is it anybody
1:47:08
watching us right now could do that.
1:47:13
They could use chat GTP or COD or whatever to come up.
1:47:18
They could deep research something on Gemini, come up
1:47:20
with a thing, find out about commercials, tell it to do the
1:47:23
thing, have it write script, do it all and take that and make a
1:47:25
prompt and put it in there. And all they're doing is like a
1:47:27
train conductor, right? And they could produce that
1:47:31
commercial. Think of the power that puts in
1:47:35
the hands of everyone. But think about it in the
1:47:39
context of a small business who couldn't afford to hire somebody
1:47:42
to do a commercial that three years ago would have been a
1:47:45
$20,000 effort that can now do it for almost nothing.
1:47:49
Like use it in 20 bucks. Yeah, 100 bucks.
1:47:51
So if we put it on social media, think about it, They get out of
1:47:53
spiritual or religious leader who can't get their message out,
1:47:56
and they're being able to take and quantify those.
1:47:58
I don't know if you've seen the Bible AI stories, They're
1:48:01
hilarious. I haven't.
1:48:02
They're a little bit satire. They were like.
1:48:04
But yeah, they're like, they're basically all the Bible
1:48:07
characters are social media influencers.
1:48:09
So they're like even like the guys getting put to the lines,
1:48:12
he's like, dude, they don't know that God is about to be bring me
1:48:16
BRB or whatever. And they're hilarious and
1:48:20
they're extremely well done, right?
1:48:22
Right. Think of the power.
1:48:23
You talk about love and one of the greatest things you can do
1:48:27
when to love everyone else. And one of the greatest ways to
1:48:32
learn is to teach, right? And share your knowledge.
1:48:36
Just openly share that. That's how elders actually
1:48:40
helped to raise humanity in the past was the.
1:48:43
And I think everybody can do that with their little thing,
1:48:46
with their little story. What an incredible, like
1:48:49
exciting time to to to be in. My son makes these crazy little
1:48:55
weird videos. And he showed to me all the time
1:48:57
with these little tools. That's something that when I was
1:49:01
getting ready to go to college, I tried to go for a semester at
1:49:05
Texas State Technical College in Waco for film and video.
1:49:09
That's something that used to be 4 years a thing that now is an
1:49:14
hour of him playing around. He's like, I'm video editor now,
1:49:17
right? Yeah.
1:49:18
It's like, cool. It's me doing the thing, jumping
1:49:21
off the bunk bed. You told me not to jump off in
1:49:23
slow motion. Dude, let's just go back just a
1:49:27
little bit into May again of 2023.
1:49:32
We're all lost in that podcast. One of the things that that I
1:49:35
said. Finding out man, we like each
1:49:37
other a lot more than we thought we might.
1:49:38
Yeah, totally agree. Yeah, totally.
1:49:40
Yeah. And one of the things on that
1:49:41
podcast that that I said is that I see a future of billions of
1:49:46
personalized products and services.
1:49:49
Yep, because the barrier to creativity is going to be
1:49:53
shattered. And this is for, well, this is
1:49:56
like this was six months into, you know, after Chachi PT
1:50:00
launched in the moratorium call, etcetera.
1:50:02
So there's like the shade of that now, like what you're
1:50:07
talking about, it's obvious. Like, like think about how
1:50:10
anybody like you could be a plumber, you could be
1:50:13
electrician, you could be a religious teacher or whatever
1:50:16
you are. You could just totally reinvent
1:50:19
yourself and create so many personalized products and
1:50:22
services in your field. And as you said, there's a plus
1:50:25
to that and there's a potential big, those things can be abused
1:50:28
too. But Mike Irwin, huge influence
1:50:33
on my career. I mean, Mike and I worked
1:50:34
together at Apple in the 90s and worked together.
1:50:38
He was the founder of Ecliptic Capital.
1:50:39
We worked together through his death, literally, and he always
1:50:44
saw this future and as I'm so disappointed he's not here to to
1:50:49
see it in person. Mass customization.
1:50:52
Mass personalization. Otherwise, we're going to get.
1:50:54
Into all all of those. All of actually his soul is
1:50:57
eternal, and so he still is yes, true, but but let's get let's
1:51:01
get into that. Let's I I would love to go into
1:51:04
spirituality now. Sure.
1:51:06
OK, so on spirituality, I believe in a certain kind of
1:51:14
world construct about what the nature of our reality is and it
1:51:20
is actually made me an even more loving person towards humanity.
1:51:26
And I've been on a soul quest this year.
1:51:29
I've read over 40 books, probably over 45 at this point
1:51:34
on everything from quantum physics, which is super fun, AI,
1:51:40
spirituality and consciousness. And I've kind of got this like
1:51:45
smorgasbord of these things like in my head now.
1:51:50
And I'm finding like enormous amounts of synchronicity in them
1:51:53
all. And I with the short stories I
1:51:58
wrote, it was a way to unpack that.
1:52:00
So you should have seen the prompt that I used to help write
1:52:03
those with me. And it was super fun to play
1:52:05
with AI and doing that because I'm not was a long prompt
1:52:09
because I fed it a lot information about what I've
1:52:12
learned. And, you know, one of the tools
1:52:17
that that has helped me as a leader has been psychedelics.
1:52:23
And it's, it's, it's helped awaken me.
1:52:26
But you know, I think other people have been awakened
1:52:30
through meditation. I think some people just had
1:52:33
awakening. I was talking with one of my one
1:52:35
of my really good friends, a woman who has gone through a
1:52:40
really bad divorce recently and she's amazing entrepreneur and,
1:52:46
and she had this awakening recently just in the shower.
1:52:51
I mean, she was like in the shower, just suffering from just
1:52:54
the trauma of it all and just felt the presence of God, like
1:52:58
come and embody her. And she and she called me and
1:53:01
she said, I want you to know, like I now understand what you
1:53:04
mean, but there's lots of different ways that people have
1:53:08
had that awakening. And the reason I bring this up
1:53:12
is that I think that if our leaders like, let's say that
1:53:18
there's 2000 leaders in the world that ultimately rule over
1:53:21
about 8.2 billion, it's kind of kind of what the mouth is
1:53:24
probably like, you know, prudent, like controls all their
1:53:27
hates a large number of people. So if our leaders like had a
1:53:30
heart change, you know, and realize that the nature of a
1:53:34
reality isn't just the physical world where it is if, if, if
1:53:39
you're, if you're a materialist and you just believe that we're
1:53:42
on a random rock and nothing matters and there's no divine
1:53:45
intervention and there's no such thing as God or consciousness or
1:53:48
anything. And it's just like, you know,
1:53:50
13.8 billion years ago, grant me the miracle of The Big Bang, you
1:53:54
know, formed whatever this is and that here we are and somehow
1:53:58
consciousness just magically popped out of our brains And
1:54:01
that's, you know, and that's what it is.
1:54:04
Then it gets you in a mindset where it's like, well, I'm going
1:54:07
to take all I can. You only live once.
1:54:09
Like I might as well like, you know, get as rich as possible
1:54:12
and like, you know, like it it just ingratiate my body and
1:54:17
everything else to the Max. And when you have this worldview
1:54:24
of actually there is such a thing as divine intervention.
1:54:28
And I look back at my career now with this lens of love, saying
1:54:34
every business I started and everything that happened in my
1:54:39
life, which ultimately led to where I'm at today was a result
1:54:43
of divine intervention. Like literally starting with my
1:54:46
mom, like believing enough in me, like she had something
1:54:51
divine happen in that moment. Now, whether or not she was
1:54:55
conscious of it, I don't know. But because divine intervention,
1:54:58
sometimes you're not actually aware that it's the divine
1:55:01
poking you. You're just you just.
1:55:03
You think you're lucky? You just think, yeah, something
1:55:06
just happened. So I'm just curious, like, what
1:55:08
is your world view on that? You know, you and I've talked
1:55:11
about psychedelics. I know that you also had
1:55:14
experience and, and also you're unusual as a friend of mine,
1:55:18
because one of the first books I read on my own soul quest this
1:55:23
year is is Proof of Heaven by Evan Alexander.
1:55:27
He had a near death experience, which really opened him up to
1:55:32
the, the, the divine and the reality that we're living in.
1:55:34
And he was kind of like a materialist and it kind of lost
1:55:37
faith and it woken back up. And then he created his journey
1:55:42
for the rest of his life to tell that story, to help people
1:55:45
realize that we live in this beautiful reality.
1:55:47
I think so. You know, I was in a bad car
1:55:50
accident. 1993 February. Sorry.
1:55:53
Friday 13th, 1993. It's what, 13 is about, like a
1:55:55
number. And I was, you know, dead on the
1:55:59
side. And then I was bleeding
1:56:00
internally and taken home for hours and rushed back to the
1:56:04
emergency room. I mean, there's no reason for me
1:56:07
to be here. Like none.
1:56:09
OK. And it tied together Earlier you
1:56:11
asked me about, you know, I told you about that kind of
1:56:12
depressive time during chaotic moon when I was, you know, had
1:56:16
all the success I was having. Part of that reason was that I
1:56:18
didn't have purpose. I mean, I've always felt like
1:56:21
I'm here for a reason, but I never know what that reason is.
1:56:24
And I went through times where I was fighting against that early
1:56:28
on to where I was like, something will happen to where
1:56:31
now I'm like actively engaged in that.
1:56:34
And you know that I. So you have you have that
1:56:40
happen. You have a PTSD and a trauma
1:56:43
with that that took me a long time to face, even though I
1:56:45
would tell you it was no problem.
1:56:46
It was it was clearly a problem. You have me meeting my wife,
1:56:51
this person who just, you know, panel loves love.
1:56:53
She is, she's my everything. She's my inspiration and she's,
1:56:57
you know, loving my life. She's phenomenal and opened me
1:57:00
up. I married.
1:57:01
My soul mate too. So, so she opened me up to that,
1:57:04
right? Like she's she's very critical
1:57:07
sometimes, but I used to take it as just criticism and not coming
1:57:12
from a place of love of like, here's how you know, like
1:57:15
objectively you're looking or acting or thinking about this or
1:57:18
whatever. So take the accident and the
1:57:21
experience I had, which the only thing I've ever said as you
1:57:23
know, is like anybody who thinks there's not something else is
1:57:27
wrong. OK, like 100% it's not chemicals
1:57:29
in your brain. It's not whatever.
1:57:32
I don't know what my purpose is still, but I feel like I'm
1:57:35
getting close to in this current journey is a big part of it.
1:57:39
I also feel having kids again and two younger kids.
1:57:42
I, I look at my kids and I think, you know, my purpose
1:57:45
could be as simple as just raising them up in this way and
1:57:47
and right. It could be changing the world
1:57:50
economy. I don't know.
1:57:51
But I'm just going to do all the things in the right way and
1:57:53
trust that you know, what's supposed to come out of it is
1:57:55
going to after meeting my wife. Look, I used to argue with her.
1:58:03
I used to have issues because I hadn't resolved for the stuff.
1:58:07
So I did a lot of therapy or did the, you know, pretty much all
1:58:14
the therapies you can think of around this PTSD and finally
1:58:19
ended up being psilocybin therapy.
1:58:20
And it was almost an instant connection and and and cure.
1:58:27
It didn't change anything. It gave me the ability to go and
1:58:34
relive that moment from a view of just accepting like this is a
1:58:39
thing that has happened that I do have to deal with.
1:58:44
And that moment being the the, the accident, the near death
1:58:47
experience, the near death experience, an accident and
1:58:49
really embrace it. And it really changed, I think,
1:58:51
I think for military veterans with PSTSD, for victims of
1:58:58
sexual abuse, I think this and ketamine therapy as well.
1:59:02
And when done right, when not a recreational drug.
1:59:04
Can be very, yeah, I'm not a fan.
1:59:06
Of it very, very powerful for for for people in their
1:59:09
recovery. And that led me to, you know, I
1:59:12
did try ketamine therapy as a as a met to get into a meditative
1:59:16
state. I thought experience.
1:59:18
I found that very fascinating. I, I did do ayahuasca just to
1:59:24
see what it was like and try it was a very intricate, it's a
1:59:28
very spiritual form of, of that. And all of these things have
1:59:34
opened my mind and, and changed some thoughts I had and some,
1:59:38
some, you know, things I was bringing in as I thought that
1:59:42
was prerequisite. And this isn't prerequisite.
1:59:44
But here's the thing I never thought that was.
1:59:46
What do you think is the nature of a reality after all of this?
1:59:49
I don't know. I mean, the honest answer is I
1:59:52
think, do I believe in simulation theory?
1:59:55
I I mean, man, I'd love to program the computer that could
1:59:58
do that. Let's have the citizens on the
2:00:00
incredible. Do I believe that we're all much
2:00:05
more connected than we would ever admit or maybe even in
2:00:08
realize? 100% I think Deja vu is probably
2:00:14
less. Oh, it's a change in the matrix
2:00:18
and more of a of an entanglement of of some connection with a
2:00:23
person or a place or whatever that that's you're you're
2:00:25
realizing that I don't have any past life and raise.
2:00:30
I've never done that. Maybe I'll do that one day.
2:00:32
I don't question people who have that's everybody has their own
2:00:35
downstairs approach. But I think for me, you know,
2:00:39
there's, there's, I'm not a Bible quoting person, but if you
2:00:43
think of faith, hope and love, right?
2:00:46
And the greatest of these is love, right?
2:00:49
I, I think that the nature of reality is we're creating it.
2:00:55
You know, we think of the past really in a weird way, if you
2:01:00
think about it, both scientifically and spiritually.
2:01:03
And we think about the future in every way.
2:01:05
Like we worry about so many fears and concerns that may
2:01:09
never even happen. Literally imagined.
2:01:12
I mean, let them mess up the moment we're in right now.
2:01:15
And I think moment to moment, listening to your that thing
2:01:22
people call gut feel, don't like this person, I like this person
2:01:26
or want to do this or don't do that or make it left or right or
2:01:28
whatever. I think those are those little
2:01:31
moments of intervention, kind of gentle, you know, guidance from
2:01:35
the universe. It's called the Dow, by the way.
2:01:39
And that is, and I was just going to say, and you've
2:01:41
recently read that is kind of how the Dow describes that,
2:01:44
right? And and so I think there's a lot
2:01:47
of of wisdom in that. And I think people don't want to
2:01:52
consider spirituality in their lives because as humans, we have
2:01:57
very healthy egos and we think we're in control.
2:02:00
The dominant species on the planet you dominate in business
2:02:03
or whatever. And I think that that's a really
2:02:07
piss poor attitude. And I think it's a very
2:02:10
unhealthy attitude. I think it's mentally unhealthy.
2:02:13
I think it builds connections in your brain that aren't there.
2:02:16
And they block connections that you know are are being gifted to
2:02:21
you, right. And you're almost turning
2:02:23
looking gift horse in the knock in a way.
2:02:25
So I try to stay very open. I have friends that are they're
2:02:29
atheists. And when I talk about them, I
2:02:30
say, you know, I'll defend them in front of friends.
2:02:33
There's hundreds of gods they believe in like 1 less than you
2:02:35
do. You're this devout and whatever,
2:02:38
right? So like, give them a break,
2:02:39
right? I have people that are agnostic
2:02:41
and I respect that. I have people that are super
2:02:42
religious and I go to church with my wife on Sundays.
2:02:45
You know, I know lots of. Atheists that are still very
2:02:48
loving people, like 100% but but they kind of, you know, they
2:02:54
believe that the universe is a loving force.
2:02:57
That's right. And.
2:02:59
Which makes them kind of not that far off from what we're
2:03:01
talking about, doesn't, right? Which brings us all way to say,
2:03:03
I mean like, think about it. And by the way, Sumi doesn't
2:03:06
there as I know some of those two if you to believe the
2:03:09
simulation is encoded with love as the highest order value.
2:03:12
I, I mean, who am I judge? I can see that too.
2:03:15
But like, you know, if there's not a, a bigger force, why don't
2:03:18
you go around raping and killing all that you want?
2:03:20
You know what you do, which is none.
2:03:22
You know you. Know, I mean, I do believe
2:03:25
whatever the reality is and I think we all have to be very
2:03:29
humble at what the reality is for all this grasp, you know, it
2:03:34
is, it is rooted in love. Would you agree with that?
2:03:38
I think the universe is rooted in love, and I think that I do
2:03:46
feel this. I've never said this anywhere
2:03:48
and I don't mind saying it on tape.
2:03:51
All of that lack of purpose I've had in my life, all of that
2:03:56
searching of look, I was dead twice in the same day.
2:04:00
There is no reason. There is every reason for me not
2:04:03
to be alive right now. I'm obviously right for some
2:04:07
reason. It's not luck.
2:04:08
It's not. I don't have some super
2:04:10
biological power, you know, there, there, there is a, there
2:04:13
is a reason far beyond my comprehension that that, that
2:04:18
I'm still here. I am extremely lucky to wake up
2:04:22
every morning and breathe my first big gasp of air in the
2:04:27
morning. And I'd often think back to what
2:04:30
it was like being in that moment.
2:04:33
And so I think the one thing I've I've never said that I
2:04:36
really believe is I feel something getting closer.
2:04:41
Maybe it's my purpose. Maybe it's a revelation of the
2:04:45
things you're talking about. Whatever.
2:04:48
But I feel that on a very broad, very general sense, I feel that
2:04:51
we are going through, I feel. A.
2:04:53
Huge change and I I'm super open to it and very excited about it.
2:05:01
But you know, think about things or want to make decisions and
2:05:05
things and you know, it's like I love Rush, right?
2:05:11
Some of my favorite bands, story band and a lot of good
2:05:14
storytelling. Great.
2:05:16
One of the great greatest lyrics to have is, you know, when you
2:05:19
choose not to decide, you still have made a choice, right?
2:05:24
And if given the choice between it's just life and you die or
2:05:34
there's nothing else, or you know, you don't need to give a
2:05:37
shit about your fellow man or ball or whatever.
2:05:39
And you could have these great experiences learning gravity,
2:05:44
living your life with love, living your life with love being
2:05:47
the purpose of trying to, you know, like that really upsets me
2:05:52
that you said that. But let me hear you out and try
2:05:55
to connect with you a little more and understand.
2:05:58
And maybe I'll learn something from that.
2:05:59
Like, oh, I completely misinterpreted the thing that
2:06:03
you were arguing or whatever. Why would you not choose a lot?
2:06:07
Like, it just doesn't make sense.
2:06:09
Not me to. And again, I can only credit my
2:06:13
wife Pamela has taught me more about love and more about life
2:06:18
than I would have ever thought possible.
2:06:19
I'm 13 years older. I got a lot more experience in
2:06:22
all these areas and this and that and there's all these
2:06:25
reasons. And she has been a a gift from
2:06:30
the universe to lead me to that, to get me to understand that to
2:06:34
put me not where I need to be because I don't feel like I'm
2:06:38
there yet. And I feel like I've got a lot
2:06:40
of stuff I still question and missing and all.
2:06:42
But to put me on that be part of a big part putting me on that
2:06:47
path to, you know, why do I want to do strange works?
2:06:50
You know, why do I want to give technology everybody?
2:06:53
Why don't want to encourage people to use these tools and
2:06:55
have the conversations that we're having?
2:06:58
And I just think, you know, it's, you know, all we need is
2:07:04
love. It is.
2:07:06
It is a source of sustenance and energy.
2:07:09
And you just enlighten me and all of that.
2:07:12
I do. I need is love.
2:07:14
My wife's favorite band is The Beatles.
2:07:16
So you know, Yeah. So thanks for thanks for
2:07:20
helping. Well, we better wrap this up.
2:07:22
Hey. Thanks so much.
2:07:23
Yeah. Love to chat with you anytime
2:07:25
and I'll get you a list of tools to put in and everybody should
2:07:29
use those tools. There is no reason not to do
2:07:31
this. Awesome.
2:07:32
Well, hey, thanks everybody for tuning in to another episode of
2:07:37
Love Conquers Fear. We have an amazing line up
2:07:41
coming up of just incredible, incredible people and we're
2:07:45
going to be going this deep with them.
2:07:48
I really want to think Worley, he's such a good friend.
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He's so smart, he's so talented and he's so rooted in love.
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And you have gotten to see a conversation like the ones that
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we have off camera. That's right.
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And I'm just feel very, very lucky to know you and I wish you
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the best of luck with Strange Works and, and I and I know what
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you're doing to try to help humanity to get to that age of
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abundance for all. I and I have to tell you such an
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honor to be here because when we first started talking about this
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journey on everything I can tell you, I can think of nothing more
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important, nothing more inspiring or or encouraging
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about the, the future of the world that I, I worry about a
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lot right now. And watching what you're doing
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has just been incredible. And getting to be a small part
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of participating is just like I'm.
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I'm was over the moon when I got your message and I couldn't have
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been happier. And I really appreciate you
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taking time out the conversation.
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Awesome man. Hey, thanks so much buddy.
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I really appreciate it.