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Sharri | 29 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. Just days out from the federal election, Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberzi picks a fight with a global ratings agency. How
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Speaker 2: he's put EGO above the national interest. Plus the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister has the audacity to accuse Dutton of lacking courage
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Speaker 2: by coming on Sky News at night. Well, if only
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Speaker 2: Albanezi had enough metal to front up and face the
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Speaker 2: tough questions. Thugish labor lined unionists gate crash Dutton's event
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Speaker 2: with school children, But will labor apologize? And how the
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Speaker 2: national polls are getting this election campaign wrong? Well that's
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Speaker 2: according to one season political analyst who'll be on tonight.
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Speaker 2: And it's another massive show tonight every night this week.
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Speaker 2: I told you tonight we've got James Patterson, Ray Hadley,
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Speaker 2: Steve Price, Andrew Carswell and Cameron Milner. Now just days
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Speaker 2: out from the federal election, and Anthony Albanizei has picked
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Speaker 2: a fight with a highly reputable global ratings agency. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has scoffed and ridiculed the non partisan agency
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Speaker 2: for daring to raise concerns about its massive pre election
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Speaker 2: off budget spending. It's never ending billions of dollars in
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Speaker 2: election announcements to buy voters. Now, this should be a
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Speaker 2: wake up call for the Prime Minister, but instead he's
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Speaker 2: mocked the agency. It's an utterly astonishing response. Now to recap,
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Speaker 2: the Ratings Agency Standard and Pause has issued a warning
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Speaker 2: that Australia's Triple A credit rating is at risk because
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Speaker 2: of out of control spending. And this includes over one
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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars of spending that it hasn't actually been
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Speaker 2: budgeted for. It's on the NBN Snowy Hydro Clean Energy
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Speaker 2: Finance Corporate Ration, the pledge to pay sixteen billion dollars
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Speaker 2: off every student's XTEP, twenty percent of every student's XTET,
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Speaker 2: among many other promises. Now, this is a serious warning.
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Speaker 2: And here's what the Ratings Agency told Sky News Business Now.
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Speaker 3: And what we are seeing is a lot of spending
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Speaker 3: across both parties and minor parties as well, and we're
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Speaker 3: really curious as to how it's going to be funded.
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Speaker 3: And that's the real issue for US. Deficits of two
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Speaker 3: to two and a half percent of GDP are consistent
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Speaker 3: of the Triple A, but are they going to be there?
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Speaker 3: Are they going to be my three or four percent
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Speaker 3: post GFC levels? We don't know the answer to that yet.
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Speaker 2: So the agency says debt funded election spending was pushing
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Speaker 2: up government outlays to the highest since World War Two,
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Speaker 2: and extremely serious warning. But bizarrely the Prime Minister isn't
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Speaker 2: taking it seriously, he scoffed when asked a question about
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Speaker 2: it on the ABC last night.
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Speaker 4: All of this adds up to what Standard and Pauses
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Speaker 4: saying is that there's too much spending and it's putting
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Speaker 4: Australia's Triple A credit rating at risk. Well there's no suggestion, frankly,
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Speaker 4: the Triple A credit rating is there.
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Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister's claiming there's no issue when the
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Speaker 2: ratings Agency was so concerned it issued a public statement
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Speaker 2: in black and white days out from the election. Former
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Speaker 2: Treasurers Peter Costello and Scott Morrison Josh Fredenberg I used
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Speaker 2: to go to New York and sit down with the
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Speaker 2: agencies and argue their case in official meetings. They treated
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Speaker 2: the agencies with respect. They'd furnish them with information, explain
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Speaker 2: their economic plan and thus they managed to keep Australia's
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Speaker 2: roll gold rating. They certainly didn't mock the agency publicly,
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Speaker 2: as Albanzy went on to do in his very next sentence.
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Speaker 2: And you wouldn't be surprised at this, because Albanezy isn't
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Speaker 2: a serious, sophisticated player. He's juvenile. And he bizarrely went on,
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Speaker 2: as you're about to hear, to deride the financial analysts
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Speaker 2: at this respectable global ratings agency and then try to
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Speaker 2: deflect his own economic mess by blaming the opposition.
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Speaker 4: They must have been beside themselves whoever wrote that particular
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Speaker 4: report when the coalition left us with a seventy eight
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Speaker 4: billion dollar deficit, we turned that into a twenty two
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Speaker 4: billion dollar surplus.
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Speaker 2: Now, two things about that statement. Firstly, it's factually inaccurate.
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Speaker 2: The final budget outcome for the coalition's time in office
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Speaker 2: was thirty two billion, not seventy eight billion that he
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Speaker 2: keeps lying about. And in fact, Friedenberg left the budget
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Speaker 2: in a position for there to be a surplus, which
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Speaker 2: he achieved through strong labor market and higher than expected
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Speaker 2: commodity prices. Now, Albinizy was even corrected on this by
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Speaker 2: feel in the nine debate, so he knows it's not true,
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Speaker 2: and yet he still knowingly continues to lie about it.
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Speaker 2: And Trudy McIntosh and other journalists picked him up on
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Speaker 2: this again today. Still he wouldn't concede anything now. Secondly,
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Speaker 2: that derision that you heard there of the agency is
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Speaker 2: unbefitting for a prime minister and it could also backfire
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Speaker 2: with S and P if they were line ball on
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Speaker 2: whether to downgrade. Alberanze's comments are more likely to make
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Speaker 2: them do so. His glass jaw has potentially threatened Australia's
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Speaker 2: national interest. As former Treasury official Spiro Premaitis wrote today
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Speaker 2: in The finn Review, Albinzi is a leader who shrugs
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Speaker 2: off credible criticism. Is not reassuring the public, but is
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Speaker 2: either demonstrating that he doesn't understand the problem or is
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Speaker 2: choosing to ignore it. A typical response from Albanezi to
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Speaker 2: bury his head in the sound. And Spiro writes, when
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Speaker 2: a major credit ratings agency sounds the alarm on a
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Speaker 2: government's fiscal trajectory, a serious national leader listens, They explain,
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Speaker 2: they reassure, they set out a plan, he says. Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albaneze did none of these things. Instead, he
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Speaker 2: mocked the report's authors, dismissed the warning, and pointed to
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Speaker 2: a temporary budget surplus, as if that were the end
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Speaker 2: of the matter. It isn't an Australians deserve better. A
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Speaker 2: strong piece from Spiro and he says this fails the
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Speaker 2: test of leadership. And thankfully the knightlyes. Latika Burke pulled
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi up on his disrespectful comments about S and
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Speaker 2: P Today.
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister last night you said quote they must have
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Speaker 5: been beside themselves whoever wrote that report. Now, if Peter
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Speaker 5: Dutton questioned an independent expert in the way you did
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Speaker 5: last night, you would be going full tropo and saying
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Speaker 5: he was Marga or Trump. So why is it okay
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Speaker 5: for you to question the independence of experts? And Treasurer
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Speaker 5: Jim charm was if you lose Australia's triple A rating,
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Speaker 5: will that disqualify you from being Australia's next Prime minister?
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Speaker 1: Thanks Letika.
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Speaker 4: What I was doing last night was pointing out a
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Speaker 4: fact that we have been responsible economic managers and if
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Speaker 4: you compare and if you compare what our position was
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Speaker 4: of two budget surpluses, compare that after we under the
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Speaker 4: Labor government, was what delivered the triple A credit rating?
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Speaker 5: Is talking about your future record, PM, it's talking about
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Speaker 5: the future of yesterday's.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the coalision the triple A credit rating despite
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Speaker 2: the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, and Albanizi
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Speaker 2: has now put it at risk during a time of stability.
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Speaker 2: Albinizi also ignores the fact that he's increased structural spending
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Speaker 2: and that this has exactly debated inflation and now this
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Speaker 2: spending threatens our triple A rating. The night These editorial
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Speaker 2: says that, in other words, you can't ramp up public
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Speaker 2: spending to stratostraphic levels to disguise a recession, then rash
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Speaker 2: it it up even more with no plan and how
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Speaker 2: to pay for it without expecting some long term consequences. Somehow,
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Speaker 2: in Albanesi's upside down world, this is the way out
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Speaker 2: of a growing government debt crisis. Give people more stuff
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Speaker 2: for free and call it responsible economic management. The Nightly
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Speaker 2: says it's an absurd contradiction, devoid of logic, and as
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Speaker 2: you know, the Prime Minister prefers to blame inflation on
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Speaker 2: overseas factors, on wars and Donald Trump.
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Speaker 4: That's why, through everything the world has thrown at Australia
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Speaker 4: over the past three years, the worst global inflation in
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Speaker 4: four decades, the biggest international energy crisis in half a
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Speaker 4: century and even now trade tensions fueling new global economic uncertainty.
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Speaker 4: Our government has faced these global challenges the Australian way.
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Speaker 2: The budget black hole that Labour's created is truly alarming.
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Speaker 2: But if we lose our triple A credit rating, this
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Speaker 2: could lead to higher debt servicing costs, slower growth and
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Speaker 2: even potentially higher interest rates. Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor warned
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Speaker 2: about some of this here on the show last night.
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Speaker 6: Now S and P is telling us the rating agency
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Speaker 6: that there's real risks now to our ratings. If our
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Speaker 6: rating has dropped from triple A, we will see impacts
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Speaker 6: on interest rates in this country, impacts on government interest
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Speaker 6: rates but also interest rates for the economy more generally.
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Speaker 6: And that's a very dangerous place to be taking Australia.
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Speaker 2: Ye downgrade would be a vote of no confidence in
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government, and the Prime Minister can't just shrug
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Speaker 2: it off and pretend there's nothing to see here, as
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Speaker 2: he's inclined to do.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: When I spoke to Peter Dutton last night, he told
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Speaker 2: me about the hostile press pack he's had following him
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Speaker 2: around this campaign.
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Speaker 7: I just think they're so biased and many of them
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Speaker 7: just activists not journalists, that their position becomes counterproductive and
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Speaker 7: they're playing to a particular audience, to a Green voter.
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Speaker 7: And frankly, as the Prime Minister's demonstrated, his whole government
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Speaker 7: has been about how do we please the inner city
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Speaker 7: green voter in Sydney and Melbourne. That's why he's taken
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Speaker 7: such a soft stance in relation to anti Semitism. The
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Speaker 7: left wing media frankly, by polling day I think will
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Speaker 7: be counterproductive in what they're doing now.
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Speaker 2: This is really something you can't argue with. Dutton has
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Speaker 2: been met with far more aggressive, argumentative, antagonistic questions from
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Speaker 2: the journalists on his campaign bus, and in truth, their
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Speaker 2: opinions masquerading as questions in many cases. Here's one journalist,
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Speaker 2: this is Channel seven reporter Isabelle Mullen.
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Speaker 8: Can you disclose that you were the beneficiary of a
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Speaker 8: family trust in twenty fourteen? So, Dutton, aren't you being
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Speaker 8: tricky with the truth not to answer today? Aren't you
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Speaker 8: being tricky with your own truth at the moment? And
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Speaker 8: your candidate has described China as a grub of a
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Speaker 8: country and said feminists were to blame for Trump's loss
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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of those comments?
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Speaker 8: Is his enthusiastic support for Donald Trump a problem though,
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Speaker 8: mister Dutton? Is his coat.
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Speaker 2: Now that's only matched by ABC journalist Evelyn Manfield.
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Speaker 8: So was that answered by mister t and a mistake?
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Speaker 9: And also was.
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Speaker 2: Your answer yesterday on wester Erusalem the mistake? Sorry?
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Speaker 8: Well you had to your office had to go and
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Speaker 8: clarify it.
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Speaker 3: So was it a mistake?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 1: Happy to take you. Is it a question you want
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Speaker 1: to ask? Sorry?
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Speaker 10: Just yeah, yeah, sure questions?
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Speaker 2: Can you get some of those?
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Speaker 8: If you get some of those questions answered, would you
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Speaker 8: from Keir Starmers say, would you be willing to.
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Speaker 2: Change your mind? I don't have prospectively, would you be
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Speaker 2: willing to change your mind?
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Speaker 1: Mister Dutton?
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Speaker 2: And of course they're not alone. Have a look at
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Speaker 2: more of the same.
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Speaker 7: Which forty one thousand of them might not have a
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Speaker 7: job in six weeks.
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Speaker 2: How is it that the Liberal Party has recruited so
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Speaker 2: many members of a religious section for dot and fault
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Speaker 2: to hand.
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Speaker 11: Out for it, whether it is how your gas plan
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Speaker 11: is going to get electricity bills down, or how you're
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Speaker 11: going to spend the health and education budgets. Why is
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Speaker 11: there is delay on letting voters into the secret.
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Speaker 2: Mister Dunton, we don't see a lot of your softer side.
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Speaker 8: Do you think that your time as a police officer
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Speaker 8: led you to have a black and white view of
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Speaker 8: the world.
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Speaker 2: And Dunnan has spoken about the ab we see in
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Speaker 2: the Guardian, describing them as hate media. And you can
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Speaker 2: understand why the ABC is funded by the taxpay It's
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Speaker 2: meant to be impartial, especially during an election campaign. But
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Speaker 2: here was the reporter behind well known attacks on liberal
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Speaker 2: figures targeting Dutton last night on primetime television.
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Speaker 12: Some First Nations leaders say this was part of a
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Speaker 12: pattern for Peter Dutton when it comes to race. Do
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Speaker 12: you think that Peter Dutton has an issue with race?
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Speaker 12: We uncovered fresh details about the Dutton family's dealings and
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Speaker 12: the people that they've done business with. A large proportion
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Speaker 12: of the Dutton family's wealth comes from private childcare, often
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Speaker 12: bought and sold through trusts.
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Speaker 2: Hardly unbiased reporting just days out from the election. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if ALBN Easy had been involved in childcare business, he'd
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Speaker 2: been making that a virtue of his election campaign. But
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Speaker 2: Darton deals with these attacks. He takes hostile questions from
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Speaker 2: the traveling press pack on a daily basis. He's used
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Speaker 2: to it. But then Alban Easy dead today to mock
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Speaker 2: him for supposedly not fronting up to tough questions and
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Speaker 2: instead coming on Sky News.
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Speaker 4: I did the seven thirty report, Lafsata. I know that
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Speaker 4: Peter Dutton is courageously showing strength by doing Paul Murray
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Speaker 4: tonight for the second time in the campaign.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that will.
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Speaker 4: Be a rigorous cross examination of their costings.
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Speaker 2: I mean Alban Easy speaking of a lack of courage
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Speaker 2: is like Putin claiming he stands for peace or a
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Speaker 2: lifeguard afraid to get where It is laughable. If anyone
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Speaker 2: doesn't have courage to face tough questions, it's Alban Easy.
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Speaker 2: He's never had the courage to come on Sky News
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Speaker 2: during prime time when the audience is highest, not with
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin, Andrew, Paul Murray or me to answer what
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Speaker 2: would truly be tough questions about the state of our economy,
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Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis, national security and his gross
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Speaker 2: mishandling of social cohesion and during the antisemitism crisis, which
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Speaker 2: the Director General of ASIO said was the greatest threat
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Speaker 2: to life in Australia and still is. Albanezy repeatedly refused
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Speaker 2: to sit down for an interview, never mind that I'm
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Speaker 2: the only Jewish nightly television host in the country. And
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Speaker 2: as for Paul Murray's show, on both occasions that Dutton
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Speaker 2: has appeared during this election, he's faced questions from voters
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Speaker 2: that he couldn't prepare for and that he didn't know
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Speaker 2: in advance. That was the case of the pup test.
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Speaker 2: And it'll be the same tonight and we look forward
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Speaker 2: to watching it in just under an hour's time and
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Speaker 2: joinning me now to discuss all of this and more.
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Speaker 2: Radio legend Ray Hadley Ray, great to see you again.
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Speaker 13: I don't fill alone in the Prime minister's non performance
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Speaker 13: on Sky. He used to mock me at question time
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Speaker 13: about my interrogation of Peter Dutton every Thursday. Dutton had
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Speaker 13: been appearing on my radio show for probably a decade,
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Speaker 13: and then when he became opposition leader away from being
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Speaker 13: a minister, he appeared every Thursday. I suspect I made
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Speaker 13: via my producers one hundred requests for Anthony Alberesi to
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Speaker 13: come on the program and face some tough questions. He
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Speaker 13: never ever ever he's got a heart about the size
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Speaker 13: of a caraway.
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Speaker 1: Seed, he never ever ever presented himself.
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Speaker 13: I'm looking forward to Peter Dutton being with Paul Murray
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Speaker 13: tonight because he's a genuine, decent person and all this
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Speaker 13: rubbish and God.
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Speaker 1: Blessed Latika, God bless Latika.
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Speaker 13: I ran into her at the debate that went before,
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Speaker 13: and she reminded me of our past history when we
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Speaker 13: both worked in the same place. And she has come
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Speaker 13: many many killers meters since in terms of her professionalism
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Speaker 13: and the way she put it to in them. I'm
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Speaker 13: very proud of it, and I'm proud of you too.
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Speaker 13: I'm proud of brave young women who are prepared to
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Speaker 13: stand up to these people who don't answer the questions.
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Speaker 13: But one of the things I think, as we lead
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Speaker 13: into the election on Saturday, with many millions having already voted,
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Speaker 13: I just don't understand Peter's been at more petrol bowsers
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Speaker 13: than an interstate truck driver, But that twenty five cents reduction,
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Speaker 13: in excise, it will mean the world. It's fuel, it's diesel.
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Speaker 13: The only feel that doesn't include is aviation fuel. It's
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Speaker 13: a really important thing and the other thing is announced recently.
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Speaker 13: You may be aware that there will be a tax
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Speaker 13: on July one and Anthony Albernezi tax on motor vehicles,
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Speaker 13: particularly the trucks that are driven by the trades, and
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Speaker 13: there are millions of them out there. One of them's
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Speaker 13: a Forward Ranger now.
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Speaker 1: From July two.
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Speaker 13: If you want to buy yourself a Forward Ranger, it's
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Speaker 13: going to cost you fourteen four hundred dollars more. If
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Speaker 13: you want to buy a RAB four which is not
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Speaker 13: a truck, trying to cost you about four grand more,
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Speaker 13: about three thoy eight hundred dollars.
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Speaker 1: If Peter Dutton's Prime minister, that won't be happening.
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Speaker 2: I was, families understand this. Do you think no attention
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Speaker 2: enough or the messages got through to them all?
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Speaker 1: No? Because of left wing media or a disgrace.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I don't need anyone to tip to me
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Speaker 13: how those two young ladies from the ABC and CHANNERL
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Speaker 13: seven are going to vote on start they have they
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Speaker 13: haven't already they won't be voting for Peter Dutton, Come on, mate,
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Speaker 13: Rather than.
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Speaker 2: It's not even about how they personally vote, it's that
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Speaker 2: the work they would then produce or journalists like them
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Speaker 2: in the Herald, in the Guardian and other You know,
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Speaker 2: you can understand why you read articles that are so
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Speaker 2: negative when those are the journalists asking the questions.
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Speaker 13: See, I've been accused and I'm happy to carry the
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Speaker 13: you know, the epitaph of being a right wing shock jock.
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Speaker 1: That's what I was. I was a commentator. I was
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Speaker 1: not a reporter.
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Speaker 13: I'm like, you're a commentator, like Paul Murray, like Peter Kredl,
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Speaker 13: and like Andrew Bolt.
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Speaker 1: I'm a commentator. And what my.
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Speaker 13: Program was based on for nearly thirty years was my opinion,
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Speaker 13: my firmly held opinion. Those people are journalists. They don't
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Speaker 13: have an opinion. If they do, they've got to hide it.
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Speaker 13: They must hide that opinion from view. They must be objective,
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Speaker 13: not subjective. And what we saw in that excerpt or not.
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Speaker 2: The bosses think watching the press.
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Speaker 13: And maybe their bosses feel the same way about that.
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Speaker 13: But at the end of the day, if you're a journalist,
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Speaker 13: and I've never been a journalist, and I mean I'm
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Speaker 13: not saying that bastfully, I've always been a commentator.
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Speaker 2: Well, when I was a political journalist, and I was
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Speaker 2: political editor for the Daily Telegraph before that political report
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Speaker 2: if the Stunday Telegraph, I didn't even vote. I wasn't
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Speaker 2: even on the elector role for about fifteen years because
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Speaker 2: they did take it so seriously.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, there needs to be an examination.
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Speaker 2: But you know, you can't blame the media ultimately. You
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Speaker 2: know he is facing hostile questions, but you can't blame
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Speaker 2: the media. And there has been a lot of the
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Speaker 2: Liberal campaign could have done better, stronger, stronger attack ads.
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Speaker 2: You know, if I have announcing their policies, if.
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Speaker 13: I'd have been formulated, and I would have started with
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Speaker 13: the Voice three hundred and sixty million, what's named up
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Speaker 13: against a wall by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: All he had to do was divide the question.
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Speaker 13: The first question was should there be Indigenous recognition of
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Speaker 13: the Constitution.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there should be. Then the voice.
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Speaker 13: We had the niAA, the Coalition of the Peaks, costing billions
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Speaker 13: of dollars.
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Speaker 1: We didn't need another body.
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Speaker 13: So all he had to do was catch it in
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Speaker 13: that way, two separate questions, and the first one would
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Speaker 13: have been carried and now we won't get a crack
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Speaker 13: at recognizing Indigenous people for another five Prime ministers and
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Speaker 13: that's a disgrace and that's all down to Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 13: his pig headed attitude and just on the journalists in
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Speaker 13: relation to this. I know what you say is true
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Speaker 13: that there have been mistakes made by the Liberal Party
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Speaker 13: and the mistakes that should have been requified way way
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Speaker 13: back five weeks ago. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 13: the message getting out to the masses is coming from
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Speaker 13: people with a set agenda. Asked the really difficult questions
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Speaker 13: of Peter Dutton, the Dorothy dixs.
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Speaker 1: If we used to call them go to the Prime minister.
21:00
Speaker 1: That's what happens.
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Speaker 2: That is exactly what we've seen. No, I want to
21:03
Speaker 2: speak to you about capital gains tax. Unrealized capital gains tax.
21:07
Speaker 2: Now this should be a coalition scare campaign. I mean
21:12
Speaker 2: a lot of voters don't know about this.
21:13
Speaker 13: This is people who've retired on one of them. Yeah,
21:18
Speaker 13: partially people who I'm.
21:20
Speaker 2: Doing my best to stop you from retiring.
21:22
Speaker 1: Rate people who have retired.
21:23
Speaker 13: I've got to realize this unrealized capital gains it's not
21:26
Speaker 13: on your shares or your property portfolio that you sell.
21:30
Speaker 13: And when I say property portfolio, most retire res try
21:32
Speaker 13: to have some sort of investment property to keep the
21:34
Speaker 13: income coming in or shares, you're going to have to
21:37
Speaker 13: pay tax, according to Anthony Albanezi, when they increase in value,
21:42
Speaker 13: not when you realize the asset, when you sell it
21:45
Speaker 13: and you're paying capital gains for other things. These are
21:48
Speaker 13: things you'll pay on the way through. Now it's a
21:52
Speaker 13: three million dollar limit. Now, you know, people say, well
21:55
Speaker 13: that's a lot of money, having super three million dollars.
21:57
Speaker 13: If the Greens are in coalition, which I think they
21:59
Speaker 13: would have to be for him to be Prime minister,
22:02
Speaker 13: they want it down to two million dollars. Now, aspirational
22:05
Speaker 13: retirees over the age of sixty five or in my
22:08
Speaker 13: case seventy, who've worked their backsides off for forty five
22:11
Speaker 13: or fifty years as I have, well, it's not a
22:13
Speaker 13: large amount of money to make sure that you aren't
22:16
Speaker 13: an imposition on the taxpayer, that you are self funded
22:19
Speaker 13: and you're looking after yourself. That's the way most Australians
22:22
Speaker 13: want to live. They want to live in a way
22:24
Speaker 13: that they're not a burden on their family or on
22:26
Speaker 13: the taxpayer. And all of a sudden, the Prime Minister
22:29
Speaker 13: in coalition with the Greens is going to jam it
22:31
Speaker 13: to these people one point eight million Australians, and those
22:35
Speaker 13: one point eight million Australians need to realize that if
22:38
Speaker 13: they haven't vaded already, they need to realize if they're
22:40
Speaker 13: a retiree, there's only one party to vote for and
22:43
Speaker 13: it's not the Labor Party nor the Greens.
22:45
Speaker 2: No, it's hugely problematic this policy. Ray, I want to
22:48
Speaker 2: get your prediction for Saturday. This is the last time
22:51
Speaker 2: we'll see you before the election.
22:54
Speaker 13: Well, it's hard to change horses halfway through the race.
23:00
Speaker 13: Would be indicative, I think, based on polls and even
23:03
Speaker 13: the bookmakers prices that the Prime Minister will be returned,
23:06
Speaker 13: but not a majority in minority, which means he's got
23:09
Speaker 13: to go cap in hand with the Teals and Greens
23:10
Speaker 13: and cross benches and say what do you want? And
23:13
Speaker 13: I have nightmares thinking about this. People who aren't old
23:16
Speaker 13: enough to remember. I was there on air the day
23:19
Speaker 13: that I had that agonazing speech from Tamey Winton.
23:22
Speaker 1: Rob Ake shot for Julia Gillard.
23:24
Speaker 13: I mean, and to think the two blakes like that
23:28
Speaker 13: determine the outcome of election. Will think about safety scamps,
23:32
Speaker 13: think about the Greens, think about these people. I mean
23:35
Speaker 13: what safety Scamps did in relation to their air man
23:37
Speaker 13: lost his life. I mean, I could never forgive it
23:39
Speaker 13: for that. I as she tried to explain that that
23:41
Speaker 13: was just disgraceful. It was absolutely just nowhere in the
23:44
Speaker 13: report of the Corona blame climate change on that young
23:47
Speaker 13: fella's death.
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Speaker 1: But that's what they're desperate.
23:50
Speaker 13: They're desperate to make themselves the narrative instead of being,
23:53
Speaker 13: of course, part of the story.
23:56
Speaker 2: All right, so you're thinking minority government.
23:57
Speaker 1: I think it.
23:58
Speaker 2: Actually I'll get into this a bit.
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Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: I think we might not know an outcomes Saturday night.
24:04
Speaker 13: If I think that, well now, I don't think we'll
24:07
Speaker 13: have Sunday off. That don't count on Sunday, So we
24:09
Speaker 13: might have an outcome maybe till the middle of next week.
24:13
Speaker 13: But you know, you've asked the question. So I think
24:16
Speaker 13: the government will be returned in minority. And as I've
24:19
Speaker 13: said before in other places as well, the Daily Telegraph
24:23
Speaker 13: and the Daily Telegraph, app goodness helps if.
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Speaker 1: That's the case.
24:26
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Ray happily, thank you so much.
24:28
Speaker 1: Thanks for it's been a pleasure being with you for
24:30
Speaker 1: the five weeks.
24:30
Speaker 2: And I hope you continue. Love to see you back
24:33
Speaker 2: here next Tuesday and we can discuss the fallout from
24:35
Speaker 2: the election.
24:36
Speaker 1: All right, I'll be back next to make it six weeks.
24:39
Speaker 1: Thank you dad.
24:41
Speaker 2: Now, as you know, Minnie Ryan's campaign has been rocked
24:44
Speaker 2: by allegations that a Chinese Communist Party linked organization has
24:49
Speaker 2: allegedly been trying to get people to volunteer and vote
24:53
Speaker 2: for her. You might have seen this video already. Have
24:56
Speaker 2: a quick look.
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Speaker 1: We're trying to find a graph find out you know
25:01
Speaker 1: you both are.
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Speaker 2: Supporting and obviously volunteering for money.
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Speaker 4: Grian?
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Speaker 12: Why you call you?
25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah?
25:08
Speaker 9: Yeah, Flan's just term you for this is a woman.
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Speaker 1: Where did you make.
25:17
Speaker 2: Now? Minnie Grian says that she's got nothing to do
25:20
Speaker 2: with it, and she even referred it to the AEC
25:23
Speaker 2: for investigation. Let's bring it out. Skynese host Steve Price, Steve,
25:27
Speaker 2: good to see you look this. You know, Ray was
25:30
Speaker 2: just speaking about the Teals. Sophie scomps Minnie Grin has
25:33
Speaker 2: had the worst campaign out of all the Teals, but
25:36
Speaker 2: because they are a brand, it reflects poorly on all
25:40
Speaker 2: of them. What do you think about Goldstein and Kou Young?
25:43
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to be returned to the
25:44
Speaker 2: Liberals on Saturday.
25:47
Speaker 10: Well knowing I was going to talk to you tonight,
25:48
Speaker 10: I went out to the pre poll in Kuyong today,
25:52
Speaker 10: which is in the in the town hall on the
25:54
Speaker 10: corner of Glenferry Road and High Street. And you should
25:59
Speaker 10: have seen the crowd there.
25:59
Speaker 1: It was just unbelievable.
26:01
Speaker 10: I've never seen more core flutes at an election polling
26:03
Speaker 10: booth in my life. I spoke briefly to Amelia Hamer,
26:07
Speaker 10: who looks like she needs a good night's rest. She's
26:10
Speaker 10: really been working very hard. This is the Liberal candidate
26:13
Speaker 10: to hold that seat. Monique Ryan wasn't there, but I was.
26:17
Speaker 10: I mean, this is what happens when you have a
26:19
Speaker 10: public cation you go to a pre poll. Monique Ryan's
26:23
Speaker 10: teal how to vote card. People were all over me
26:26
Speaker 10: like a bad rash, and then I said that I
26:27
Speaker 10: didn't really want to talk to them. I think that
26:30
Speaker 10: Monique Ryan is probably at the moment just a little
26:37
Speaker 10: bit ahead, but I've got no confidence she can hold it.
26:40
Speaker 10: Emelia Hamer is a fantastic candidate. She's been well resourced,
26:44
Speaker 10: and Monique Ryan and Kujong lost a bunch of seats
26:48
Speaker 10: in a redrawer of the boundaries of that seat that
26:51
Speaker 10: took in some of them the more voting likely voters.
26:57
Speaker 10: And she picked up a bit of South Yarra, in
26:59
Speaker 10: a bit of trakn area like that. So it's going
27:01
Speaker 10: to be a incredibly tight contest. Tell you what, have
27:04
Speaker 10: you been staggered at the number of people and turning
27:06
Speaker 10: out to these prepoles? I mean millions. I think four
27:09
Speaker 10: million people was the last figure I heard. Shari have
27:13
Speaker 10: voted already. So Monique Grian, I mean, she's had a
27:15
Speaker 10: shocking campaign. Her husband ripped down that post and then
27:18
Speaker 10: pretended he wasn't involved with her at all. Then she's
27:21
Speaker 10: had this issue clearly with the two Chinese that were
27:26
Speaker 10: on that video connected to the Hubei organization. Monique Grin says,
27:31
Speaker 10: I went to one dinner and that's it. You know,
27:34
Speaker 10: it's not been a good It's not been a good
27:36
Speaker 10: campaign for her at all.
27:38
Speaker 2: I just want to ask about other parts of Victoria.
27:41
Speaker 2: We have heard for a while that this is the
27:45
Speaker 2: coalition's strong opportunity to pick up many seats in the
27:50
Speaker 2: art of suburban areas. Do you think this is still
27:52
Speaker 2: looking good for the coalition or has it come off
27:55
Speaker 2: a bit.
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Speaker 10: Has it tightened, come off a bit, but not a lot.
27:59
Speaker 10: I think those out of bourbon seats so get back Aston.
28:01
Speaker 10: I don't think there's any doubt about that. Outer the petrol.
28:05
Speaker 10: The petrol excise policy has been really well received in
28:08
Speaker 10: the out of suburbs because people are, like in Western Sydney,
28:11
Speaker 10: are driving, you know, thirty forty kilometers a day in
28:14
Speaker 10: and out, so double it sixty k's. They're filling the
28:17
Speaker 10: car up twice a week. I think it's going to
28:19
Speaker 10: help her. I think it's going to help Peter Dutton
28:22
Speaker 10: in places like Flinders. I think Zoey McKenzie's probably going
28:25
Speaker 10: to hang onto that seat even though there's a blow
28:28
Speaker 10: called Ben Smith down there, another TiAl funded by Climate
28:31
Speaker 10: two hundred and he's got a huge number of billboards
28:36
Speaker 10: and posters up, so he's obviously had a well funded
28:38
Speaker 10: campaign and I think Zoe's worked really hard and will
28:40
Speaker 10: probably hang on to that seat. So look, I've said
28:44
Speaker 10: to you do this, I've told you this before. Labor
28:47
Speaker 10: brand is toxic in Victoria, will be toxic enough for
28:50
Speaker 10: people to punish Anthony Albanisi or do they want to
28:54
Speaker 10: wait until next year and punish the appalling justinto Allen.
28:59
Speaker 1: It'll be a bit of both.
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Speaker 10: So I don't think the result would be as good
29:01
Speaker 10: as what Peter Dutton hoped at the beginning of the campaign.
29:04
Speaker 10: But I think he's still going to pick up three
29:06
Speaker 10: or four seats in Victoria.
29:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking about the impact of the state government now
29:11
Speaker 2: they just center Alan government. Of course. Daniel Andrews is
29:15
Speaker 2: now struggling to join a golf club. I thought you'd
29:19
Speaker 2: find this story quite funny that he did manage to
29:22
Speaker 2: get a membership through a mate of his to the
29:24
Speaker 2: prestigious Mornington Peninsula Golf Club and then they removed him
29:29
Speaker 2: after there was an uproar from the other golfers.
29:33
Speaker 10: You couldn't resist, could you. I mean, he should have
29:35
Speaker 10: asked my old golfing partner, Ray Hadley about this. He
29:38
Speaker 10: would have loved it as well. Andrews first tried to
29:40
Speaker 10: get into ports SA, as you know, I said that
29:43
Speaker 10: I'd rip up my membership. Then all the members of
29:45
Speaker 10: my golf club said we're not going to have him here.
29:47
Speaker 10: He tried to go to the National Golf Club, which
29:49
Speaker 10: is another prestigious golf club. They had a revolt on
29:52
Speaker 10: their hands, so he got thrown out of there. So
29:54
Speaker 10: his old mate, property developer by the name of Max Beck,
29:58
Speaker 10: tried to pull a swiftye. So Max has gone a
30:00
Speaker 10: corporate membership at this golf club. And on the corporate
30:03
Speaker 10: membership of two names, one is Max Beck, the other
30:07
Speaker 10: one was his wife. Now without imagine this, without telling
30:11
Speaker 10: his wife, Max took her name off and put Dan
30:14
Speaker 10: Andrews's name on. When the wife found out, she didn't
30:16
Speaker 10: speak to Max for a week, not happy at all.
30:19
Speaker 10: And then the members that Munarlynx blew up. And not
30:22
Speaker 10: only that Munar Link's golf course share his own by
30:25
Speaker 10: the Chinese. Once the Chinese saw the social media reaction
30:28
Speaker 10: about Daniel Andrews teeing up on the first hole at
30:31
Speaker 10: moonar Lynx, they said, we're not going to wear this.
30:34
Speaker 10: So he's not playing golf there either. Thank god, he.
30:36
Speaker 2: Can't find a spot to play golf at all. I mean,
30:38
Speaker 2: I didn't know that part about Max Beck saying that
30:42
Speaker 2: effectively saying he doesn't want to play golf with his
30:44
Speaker 2: wife anymore. Presumably that's what you know. Some couples dos
30:48
Speaker 2: out at eighty prevent play golf with Dan Andrews.
30:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, golf politics.
30:53
Speaker 10: You never ever know.
30:55
Speaker 2: It's a whole other world. All right, Steve Price, thanks
30:58
Speaker 2: so much. Now still to come, the new clear Scare
31:00
Speaker 2: campaign has hit rock bottom without right lies from Albanezi,
31:04
Speaker 2: the Dutton once nuclear reactors in his own seat. James
31:08
Speaker 2: Patterson will give his reactions shortly. Plus political analysts who
31:12
Speaker 2: say the national polls are wrong. Well, Cameron Milner and
31:15
Speaker 2: Andrew Carswell will join me after this quick break. Welcome back. Well,
31:23
Speaker 2: let's get straight into it with Bill Shotton's former chief
31:25
Speaker 2: of staff and former Queensland Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner
31:29
Speaker 2: and former Morrison pressek Andrew Carswell, who's also happened to
31:34
Speaker 2: write an excellent piece in The Nightly Today about how
31:37
Speaker 2: the national polls are getting it wrong thanks to a
31:40
Speaker 2: boost in the One Nation and trumpet of patriot preference flows. Andrew,
31:45
Speaker 2: So you're writing that an increase could almost mirror the
31:49
Speaker 2: impact of the Greens preferences to Labor and that this
31:52
Speaker 2: dynamic isn't being picked up in the vast majority of
31:55
Speaker 2: current polls. Can you tell us about how this could
31:59
Speaker 2: impact on Peter Darton's chances at the election.
32:05
Speaker 14: Certainly there's going to be a massive shift in the
32:09
Speaker 14: way that One Nation and Clive Palmer votes their preferences
32:14
Speaker 14: will flow on to the coalition. In twenty twenty two
32:17
Speaker 14: at the election, there was a sixty five flow on
32:20
Speaker 14: effect to the coalition. The major parties are picking up
32:26
Speaker 14: the fact that this could be as high as seventy
32:28
Speaker 14: five percent this time around, and when you add that
32:31
Speaker 14: to the fact that we're going to see a massive
32:32
Speaker 14: vote for One Nation at this election, Newspot has it
32:36
Speaker 14: at about eight percent. Add that in with the extra
32:39
Speaker 14: vote that you'll get from Clive and his troop of Trumpeters,
32:42
Speaker 14: and you're going to see an equivalent primary vote to
32:46
Speaker 14: the Greens, perhaps for the first time, and that's pretty significant,
32:50
Speaker 14: and that flow on effect to the coalition will give
32:52
Speaker 14: it some opportunities to pick up seats that have usually
32:54
Speaker 14: been out of reach for them. The problem with the
32:56
Speaker 14: Coalition for many elections is that you need to get
32:59
Speaker 14: to forty one forty two percent primary to be considered
33:03
Speaker 14: a viable option to win that seat. With this preference shift,
33:08
Speaker 14: it means that they can get to thirty four to
33:10
Speaker 14: thirty five in some of these out of metro seats
33:12
Speaker 14: and still be a chance of falling across the line
33:15
Speaker 14: due to these preferences. So it really makes things interesting
33:18
Speaker 14: on the night for Saturday. Certainly there's a massive, massive
33:22
Speaker 14: hill to climb for the Coalition and Labor minority government
33:27
Speaker 14: would be an outrageous favorite at this point in time.
33:30
Speaker 14: But it's going to make things pretty tight, and it
33:32
Speaker 14: could lead to the fact that you're going to see
33:34
Speaker 14: potentially a doubling of what you would call a marginal
33:37
Speaker 14: seat after this election, with many many seats sitting on
33:42
Speaker 14: about one and a half to two percent margins.
33:46
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really interesting because what you just said
33:49
Speaker 2: there about you know, the traditional thinking that for the
33:52
Speaker 2: Coalition to win, I mean the primary, the Liberals primary
33:55
Speaker 2: vote needs to be in the forties, needs to be
33:57
Speaker 2: higher than forty percent. But I mean, I think kind
34:00
Speaker 2: of garner the days when people just have the two
34:05
Speaker 2: major parties really to choose from. Now there's this. You know,
34:10
Speaker 2: there's a litany of minor parties that are stealing the
34:14
Speaker 2: Conservative vote on the moderate vote, and it's the same
34:16
Speaker 2: of course for Labor with the Greens as well. But
34:19
Speaker 2: you just wonder whether the Liberals primary will ever be
34:22
Speaker 2: back in the forties or if it is now going
34:24
Speaker 2: to be the case where one nation becomes a strong
34:28
Speaker 2: force of its own. Cameron, what do you think here?
34:31
Speaker 2: Do you think that, like Andrew said, the national polls
34:34
Speaker 2: aren't capturing what's unfolding in this contest.
34:39
Speaker 15: No, I think today's article by Andrew is an excellent piece.
34:42
Speaker 15: It's a really good piece of analysis, Andrew, because forget
34:45
Speaker 15: the national polls, where you know one nation can be
34:47
Speaker 15: as high as ten ten and a half in you
34:49
Speaker 15: govern essential it's where those one nation voters will occur.
34:52
Speaker 15: They occur in out of suburban seats and in regional cities,
34:55
Speaker 15: which just happens to be we're all the really marginal
34:58
Speaker 15: battleground seats are. So I think it's spot on in
35:00
Speaker 15: terms of the analysis that we'll be looking on election
35:03
Speaker 15: night in four night's time exactly where those one nation
35:05
Speaker 15: preferences are going and at what rate they're going as well.
35:08
Speaker 15: My only thing I think is that a lot of
35:09
Speaker 15: those votes I we canned on the night, the pre
35:12
Speaker 15: poll votes, as we've both said before Andrew, will be
35:15
Speaker 15: more for traditional major party votes, so early in the night,
35:18
Speaker 15: those one nation preference are going to be critical, and
35:20
Speaker 15: so many seats like Hawk for instance, where Peter Dutton
35:23
Speaker 15: was at Melton only just yesterday. Seats like Hawk could
35:26
Speaker 15: see seven or eight percent swings against Labor. I mean
35:29
Speaker 15: that's also down the local member being pretty bad, but
35:31
Speaker 15: even so big swings and those out of metros and
35:34
Speaker 15: one nation will help the coalition get much closer.
35:38
Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at how the leaders are
35:40
Speaker 2: spending the final days of the campaign, which seats they're
35:43
Speaker 2: focusing on, because that does tell us a lot. Well,
35:45
Speaker 2: since my day, the Prime Minister's made five stops in coalition,
35:48
Speaker 2: Green and independent seats that Labour's keen to pick up,
35:52
Speaker 2: so not just defending his own seats. Dutton has of
35:56
Speaker 2: course been on the attack this entire time. He's visited
35:59
Speaker 2: fifty one Labor House seat. Andrew, how do you view
36:04
Speaker 2: their tactics.
36:07
Speaker 14: Well, you're always guided by the research in that last week.
36:10
Speaker 14: You go where your party tell you to go, and
36:12
Speaker 14: that could be on the offensive but also the defensive
36:15
Speaker 14: as well. And I love the thinking at Liberal headquarters
36:19
Speaker 14: at the moment where they're directing Peter to go. Cameron said,
36:23
Speaker 14: you know he's been to Hawk, he's been to Gorton twice.
36:26
Speaker 14: Gordon sits on about nine and a half percent. He's
36:30
Speaker 14: been to Whitlam a few times as well, and there's
36:32
Speaker 14: a lot of talk about that seat potentially coming into
36:35
Speaker 14: play as well. Mikewen We've talked about. So there's you
36:39
Speaker 14: go on the attack, but there's also the bluff game
36:42
Speaker 14: as well, and that's we're seeing that from the Labour
36:45
Speaker 14: side as well. We've seen them visit Bonner today and
36:49
Speaker 14: other seats in Brisbane suburbs that probably look like more
36:53
Speaker 14: of a bluff than a reality at this stage that
36:56
Speaker 14: they can pick up probably Brisbane and they can pick
36:58
Speaker 14: up Griffith, but I think more than that is probably
37:01
Speaker 14: pushing it.
37:02
Speaker 1: So it's a.
37:03
Speaker 14: Little bit of mind games, it's a little bit of
37:04
Speaker 14: seas setting, and it's also a little bit of last
37:07
Speaker 14: minute grab for that vote.
37:10
Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking during this campaign about the
37:13
Speaker 2: Trump factor and how that has turned into quite a
37:16
Speaker 2: negative for Peter Darton, one that was completely out of
37:19
Speaker 2: his control. Well, today we saw Canada re elect its government.
37:23
Speaker 2: This is one of the most astounding political turnarounds, I mean,
37:26
Speaker 2: considering where they were when Justin Trudeau resigned. So Prime
37:30
Speaker 2: Minister Mark Cartney has been re elected. Cameron, you know,
37:35
Speaker 2: there's no question that in the Canadian election, Donald Trump
37:38
Speaker 2: was the deciding factor. I mean, he was constantly joking
37:42
Speaker 2: Canada should become America's fifty first state. He hit it
37:45
Speaker 2: with tough tariffs. So obviously the effect is less in Australia,
37:49
Speaker 2: but it is still a factor. How do you how
37:52
Speaker 2: much impact do you think this has had on Darton.
37:57
Speaker 15: Well, I think if you share borders with toxic Trump,
37:59
Speaker 15: you're going to get display. And obviously Trudeau's party was
38:02
Speaker 15: gone for all money.
38:03
Speaker 1: The Conservatives are.
38:03
Speaker 15: Going to win the next election, and within a few
38:05
Speaker 15: months that's all flipped on its head and I think
38:07
Speaker 15: even the Conservative leader might lose their seat tonight in Canada.
38:10
Speaker 15: It's that bad for the Conservatives because of this toxicity
38:13
Speaker 15: that Trump delivers to conservative politics. I think of the
38:16
Speaker 15: further away you get, the more it's just a bit
38:17
Speaker 15: of a distraction. But certainly during this campaign, Trump sucked
38:20
Speaker 15: oxygen out of the cost of living debate and that
38:23
Speaker 15: hurt the coalition.
38:24
Speaker 1: So even if it wasn't that the.
38:25
Speaker 15: Labor kind of meme saying that that Dutton was Trump,
38:28
Speaker 15: I think that was a bit cheap. The reality is
38:30
Speaker 15: that we weren't talking about cost of living every day.
38:32
Speaker 15: We were talking about Trump's tariffs and that was a
38:34
Speaker 15: good day for Labor because it was one less day
38:36
Speaker 15: they were talking about Labour's record.
38:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just on the Canadian election, I think
38:42
Speaker 2: it's a pity for Pierre Polyivert because he did seem
38:45
Speaker 2: like such. It is such a smart.
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Speaker 15: Leader leed for solo Ben Yes would.
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Speaker 2: Have been a good prime minister. Now The Australian Today
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Speaker 2: had an interview with Andrew Charlton Labor and p for Paramatter,
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Speaker 2: talking about his possible future on the Labor front bench. Now,
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Speaker 2: the argument was put, and I think this is right
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Speaker 2: that he has been held back. He's been sidelined by
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government. And you do you think this is
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Speaker 2: because he's a threat to some of the front bench,
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Speaker 2: because he is one of the most talented members and
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Speaker 2: many have for a long time thought he's prime ministerial material.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he's certainly in talent.
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Speaker 14: I think he knows it too. But look for your
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Speaker 14: first term MP, you've got to sit and by your time,
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Speaker 14: no one on the coalition side is elevated straight into
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Speaker 14: a cabinet or an out of ministry position. You do
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Speaker 14: your time. So I think his time will come and
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Speaker 14: he is a future leader, There's no doubt about that,
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Speaker 14: both in terms of his smarts but also his politics,
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Speaker 14: and he's appealed to the public as well. He is
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Speaker 14: a potential statesman in the making. But the problem he's
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Speaker 14: got is there's no appetite at the moment for generational change.
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Speaker 14: So whatever happens in this election, no matter if Albaneze
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Speaker 14: has a bad goal or not, he's long. He's a
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Speaker 14: long way down the list of potential future leaders. There's
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Speaker 14: there's there's a whole swag of him on the right,
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Speaker 14: and it's the old guard that are going to come
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Speaker 14: between him and realizing his dream of becoming party leader.
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Speaker 2: We're running out of time and I quickly want to
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Speaker 2: get your view on this, Cameron just thirty seconds.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 15: So look, I think Charlton's a great talent, so so
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Speaker 15: no doubt at all. I'd have him in the cabinet
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Speaker 15: any other day than Tony Burke. I mean, Tony Burk's
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Speaker 15: been around for too long, his politics is too long
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Speaker 15: as well. He should go and Charlton should come in.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Tony burg should go and anyone should
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Speaker 2: come in. But yes, I think there is a lot
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Speaker 2: who are threatened by chartering. All right, Carara, Miana Andrew
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Speaker 2: Carso I've got to get your predictions very quickly, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Who's going to win.
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Speaker 1: Labor minority?
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Speaker 14: But I think DUTs can get to sixty six sixty
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Speaker 14: seven and be competitive.
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Speaker 2: Be competitive, So maybe hunk Carman say Andrew, yes, definitely.
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Speaker 1: Look Albos.
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Speaker 15: Cameron and Albo's back as PM.
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Speaker 1: Albos back at PM.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, a lot of material to discuss
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Speaker 2: if he is, Thank you both so much. Now, still
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Speaker 2: to calm the labor lined union officials pulling a stunt
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Speaker 2: at Dutton's campaign event. Well will the Prime Minister apologize
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Speaker 2: for this? And James Patterson calls for the AFP and
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Speaker 2: AZO to investigate volunteers linked to Manique Ryan's campaign. He
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Speaker 2: joins me, that's James Patterson live next, welcome back. Well,
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Speaker 2: we know Labour's had a scare campaign on nuclear for
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Speaker 2: a while now, despite the fact that some thirty developed
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Speaker 2: countries around the world rely on nuclear energy. But today
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Speaker 2: it got ratched up or not. Here was Alban Easy
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Speaker 2: and Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 4: If we get the same swing that we got in
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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty two election, Ailey France will be elected
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Speaker 4: the member for Dix the Saturday. Peter Dutton has gone
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Speaker 4: away from he's electorate. Not to it, Ali francis committed
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Speaker 4: to that electorate. What's more, Peter Dutton is now saying
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Speaker 4: that he wants a nuclear reactor in that electorate as well.
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Speaker 15: To make sure that we're not doing what Peter Dutton
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Speaker 15: wants to do, which is to build a nuclear reactor
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Speaker 15: in the suburbs of his local community.
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Speaker 2: And Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson joins me. Now, James,
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Speaker 2: is this a direct lie that Dutton is going to
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Speaker 2: have a nuclear reactor in Dixon.
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Speaker 9: It's one of the most blatant lies of the election campaign. Shari,
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Speaker 9: We've had a lie tracker on the Prime Minister for
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Speaker 9: the campaign. He's told a seven lies in just twenty
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Speaker 9: odd days. We hadn't set one up for Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 9: but perhaps we should have because he'd be equal with
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Speaker 9: maybe even a head of the Prime Minister at this
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Speaker 9: point of the campaign. There is no nuclear facility proposed
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Speaker 9: in Peter Dutton's electric of Dixon. There are no qualified
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Speaker 9: power stations in Peter Dutton's electorate of Dixon. That's the
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Speaker 9: place we're proposing to eventually transition nuclear power into and
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Speaker 9: Jim Chalmers should be embarrassed and that he should be
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Speaker 9: better than that.
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Speaker 1: Clearly he is not.
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Speaker 2: It's quite egregious the scare campaigns, particularly when they are
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Speaker 2: blatantly untrue. There's no indication there would be a nuclear
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Speaker 2: reactor in Dixon. Now, James, today you've called for the
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Speaker 2: AFP and AZIO to investigate the allegations of possible foreign
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Speaker 2: interference in Minique Ryan's campaign. Why do you think this
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Speaker 2: is potential foreign interference during an election campaign?
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Speaker 9: Well, sorry, this is a very troubling story broken by
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Speaker 9: Paul Skarl in the Age where he obtained a video
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Speaker 9: of volunteers on Monique Ryan's campaign wearing Menique Ryan t shirts,
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Speaker 9: saying that they had been directed to campaign for her
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Speaker 9: by the president of the Hu Bay Association of Melbourne. Now,
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Speaker 9: this Hubay Association is affiliated with the United Frontwork department
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Speaker 9: of the Chinese Communist Party, which Hijinping has described as
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Speaker 9: the Chinese Communist Party's magic weapons into fear in democracies. So,
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Speaker 9: on the face of it, based on the facts are
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Speaker 9: on the public record, it seems like a very clear
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Speaker 9: case of foreign interference. It must be investigated by ASIO
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Speaker 9: and the Australian Federal Police and it's up to them
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Speaker 9: to determine whether it meets the legal threshold. But it
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Speaker 9: is a very troubling development that the Nick Ryan has
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Speaker 9: not adequately explained. All she's done is refer herself to
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Speaker 9: the AAC and bizarrely the Department of Parliamentary Services have
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Speaker 9: no jurisdiction and no role in this, and attempted to
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Speaker 9: brush this under the carpet and play down it. But
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Speaker 9: it's very serious. We cannot have a foreign authoritarian government
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Speaker 9: involving themselves in elections in Australia. Only Australians can decide
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Speaker 9: the outcome of Australian elections.
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Speaker 2: I was speaking just earlier about the Canadian election today.
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Speaker 2: Quite an astounding outcome. I mean it seemed for a
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Speaker 2: while there was no chance that the Trudeau, the Trudeau,
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Speaker 2: given how unpopular he was, that Mark Carney could have
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Speaker 2: a chance. It seemed like Pierre Pierre Puliva just a
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Speaker 2: couple of months ago had it in the bag. You
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Speaker 2: a concern there's going to be a similar Trump effect
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Speaker 2: with the coalition in this election.
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Speaker 9: Well, there's been one of the most dramatic reversals of
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Speaker 9: electro politics in any Western democracy that I've seen in
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Speaker 9: my lifetime, and probably much longer than that. It was
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Speaker 9: only a few months ago that Pierre and the Conservatives
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Speaker 9: were twenty points ahead of the Canadian Liberals and Justin Trudeau,
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Speaker 9: and since then there has been a leadership change in
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Speaker 9: the Canadian Liberals, but also obviously rhetoric from President Trump
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Speaker 9: about Canada becoming the fifty first state and very significant
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Speaker 9: trade tariffs on Canada, and that has seemingly completely reversed
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Speaker 9: the fortunes of the long serving government that was starting
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Speaker 9: to become quite unpopular. So look, it's possible that there
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Speaker 9: are factors like that playing out in this election. But
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Speaker 9: the truth is that Donald Trump is not on the
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Speaker 9: ballot in Australia. Only Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanesi are.
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Speaker 9: And the question we have to answer at the election
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Speaker 9: on the Saturday at the third of May is not
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Speaker 9: whether we like Donald Trump or not, but whether or
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Speaker 9: not we think our Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi will be
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Speaker 9: any better in his second term on issues like the
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Speaker 9: cost of living than he was in his first term.
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Speaker 9: And if you think he did a good job in
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Speaker 9: his first term. I think he's going to be even
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Speaker 9: more disappointed in what he does in his second term
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Speaker 9: because cost of living will be up even further under
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Speaker 9: an albert ezy Band's Labor Green.
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Speaker 2: Government, especially with this warning from SMP that is highly
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Speaker 2: concerning that the Prime Minister seemed to scoff and just
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Speaker 2: dismiss last night. I mean, do you think that was
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Speaker 2: an appropriate response from the Prime minister to mock a
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Speaker 2: ratings agency that is nonpartisan, that is highly credible globally.
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Speaker 9: It was childish and it was desperate, and it was
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Speaker 9: beneath the office of Prime Minister to not heed the
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Speaker 9: warning by a respected international ratings agency that says the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister's reckless spending, his ten years of planned deficits,
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Speaker 9: his plan to reach one point two trillion dollars of debt,
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Speaker 9: is going to have severe consequences for our ratings. The
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Speaker 9: reason why those ratings are really important, Charry, is that
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Speaker 9: if we get downgraded, that means interest rates will be
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Speaker 9: That means every Australian will pay even more on their
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Speaker 9: mortgage than they have during the first term of the
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Speaker 9: Albanesi government. And for him to so glibly dismiss It
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Speaker 9: just captures why labor can't be trusted to manage the economy.
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Speaker 9: They are not up to this task and life will
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Speaker 9: become more expensive in the second term of an Alberanzi
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Speaker 9: government should.
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Speaker 1: He get there.
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Speaker 2: But also that rudeness mocking the analysts at a global
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Speaker 2: global ratings agency. I mean, as I said earlier, if
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Speaker 2: they were lying boling a decision, I mean that would
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Speaker 2: push them over the edge. Given how Coalition treasurers have
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Speaker 2: actually traveled to New York to work with them and
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Speaker 2: explain their economic plan with them in the past, it's
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Speaker 2: just really jeopardizing the national interest, right, James Patterson, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Now, don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Right after the break, we'll talk about the deteriorating state
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Speaker 2: of Australia's political landscaped landscape, Stay tuned. A teenager has
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Speaker 2: been charged after an attack on Peter Dutton's office during
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Speaker 2: this election campaign. The eighteen year old was allegedly behind
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Speaker 2: the vandalism. His doors, windows and walls smeared with red paint.
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Speaker 2: In the third time that Dutton's office has been targeted,
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Speaker 2: and as you know, he's had serious threats against him
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Speaker 2: as well. And this is the sacrifice he's making to
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Speaker 2: run as opposition leader, to try and make our country better. Now,
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Speaker 2: there was another hijacking of Dutton's campaign event as well
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Speaker 2: in Gilmour today, anti nuclear protesters dressed up in hazmat
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Speaker 2: suits and Dutton was there to announce upgrades to the
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Speaker 2: football club. The local junior team were present. Children. Now
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Speaker 2: this is what he's having to put up with. Will
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Speaker 2: Albanezie apologize for it? I wouldn't hold my breath and
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Speaker 2: right now for a conversation that Albanese doesn't have the
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Speaker 2: courage to have, he is Paul Murray with Peter Dutton