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Jill Martin Rische: Unsurprising Increase Of Mockers, Satanic Activity · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, you're in for a treat today.
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  I thank you so much for listening, watching, sharing the podcast.
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  Real Martin Rishi is my guest today.
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  And you might know her by being the daughter of Walter Martin, for those of us who love
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  that man and his ministry and just the amazing ways he equipped the body of Christ, you
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  can go to WalterMartin.com.
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  We'll be talking about some of the information in this couple of new books that are on the
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  website there when we bring Jill on.
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  And also, we're going to be talking about the satanic temple and the growth of the increase
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  of satanism, whether it be in state capitals around the country, the government runs schools
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  in the curriculum, where are we seeing these, how about these after school satan clubs,
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  you know, the good news clubs, they're trying to counter that, right?
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  The satanists.
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  And we're also we seeing them.
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  So, so much to talk about what I want to welcome Jill Martin Rishi to World View Matters,
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  so good to see you sister.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  Yeah, thanks for taking your time today.
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  You know, you often do a lot of these shows with Jan, Jan Markelle, understanding the
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  times.
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  We'll talk about one of the episodes you did in June, when we did this, or you did the
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  story on the Iowa State Capitol and the Michael Cassidy that beheaded the statue, thought
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  that was great.
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  So, before we get to that, Jill, sorry to hear about your mom's passing, but we know
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  she's in glory at the end of July, just recently.
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  And just you put that on your Facebook beautiful picture of your family.
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  My mom died, her funeral was early July.
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  We have a little connection there in both of our fathers died in the late 80s.
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  So talk about your mom a little bit and what an amazing legacy, first of all, being married
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  to your dad.
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  And then just tell us, share a little bit more about your mom before we get into some of
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  the topics.
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  Well, Darlene Martin was a very kind and loving person.
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  She really transformed our lives.
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  She came into our lives later on.
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  She's my stepmother.
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  And she really brought just the sense of God's love and care for all of us, transformed
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  my dad's life and just was very faithful to his legacy, wanted to make sure that everything
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  was preserved and did everything she could to make that happen.
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  So my father used to say about her personality that, you know, to hurt Darlene was like
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  kicking a puppy.
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  And that's how gentle and kind person that she was and very much a homemaker.
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  So she brightened all of our lives and she unfortunately, she suffered for quite a
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  while and some kidney issues in.
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  So, you know, you're always sad and heartbroken to see someone go, but yet that release into
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  the presence of Jesus is a really incredible thing too.
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  So we wouldn't wish her back as much as we love her.
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  You know, we wish her back because we know that that she's where she's always wanted
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  to be.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Absent from the body, present with the Lord.
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  My mom had the gift of joy.
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  She was probably a little bit more outgoing and talkative than your mom, but just the gift
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  of joy she had.
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  Our family, the tremendous loss.
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  My mom went through losing a daughter, her husband, her brother, her parents, and it was
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  just amazing that she kept the joy.
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  The Lord just kept that focus on Jesus.
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  You share.
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  Pardon?
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  I just think through a lot of grief, you know, that's when the love and the peace of Jesus
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  shines through.
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  Oh, my God.
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  I don't know how people do it with no hope and no faith in God.
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  Because this life is all there is.
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  If you don't know the Lord, if you're not saved, if you don't have that eternal security,
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  this life is all there is talk about grief and emptiness and the unknown, right?
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  But you shared John 11, 25 on this picture on your Facebook when you, your family together
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  there.
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  I am the resurrection in the life whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live.
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  And everyone who lives and believes in me, she'll never die.
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  And that was in John 11.
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  Yeah, a lot happened then when Jesus healed Lazarus and brought him out from the tomb.
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  And he is the resurrection in the life.
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  So Jill, let's talk about also ways that people can hear your dad.
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  And that's over at WalterMartin.com on YouTube.
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  There are some videos that you guys have been putting up on the YouTube channel.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Share a little bit about that and that must have been a project to get all these together
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  and then put them up on the YouTube channel.
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  That's my husband, Kevin.
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  Kevin does it.
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  Okay.
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  He's incredible when it comes to audio visual.
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  He's a producer.
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  He's the producer actually for understanding the times.
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  Yeah.
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  He helps us.
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  And so he's done, he's responsible for saving the videos and putting them up there.
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  And yeah, our YouTube channel is WalterMartin.com, DOT, com.
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  And you can go there and see, I think we've got almost all of my dad's videos up there right now.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  Full videos.
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  Not just.
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  There it is.
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  Full videos.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And these are his sermons.
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  A lot of his sermons, right?
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  Preserving.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  So that's great, friends.
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  So you can go and hear him.
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  I've quoted him in my books and here's a way you can actually go listen and wow, it's just
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  powerful.
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  And then of course, at WalterMartin.com under what's new.
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  I just want to mention the books, two books, and then we'll get into more of the topics.
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  Biblical answers to your toughest questions.
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  Now that's brand new.
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  You sort of speak co-authored that with your dad.
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  I explained that, Jill.
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  Well, he, I went and I took segments of his best lectures that I thought and I was
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  saying, what questions, you know, what questions and answers can we do because he was a Bible
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  answer man.
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  So I wanted to highlight that.
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  So then I also went to his Sunday school classes.
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  He loved doing his Sunday school classes.
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  And so we always began with a question and answer period.
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  And so I took questions and answers from there.
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  I tried to pick some funny ones and, you know, of course, a lot of serious ones, but also
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  ones that deal with everyday living.
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  And like he talks about, you know, struggles that he answers questions from people who are
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  struggling with things, you know, like a roommate or, you know, in a marriage.
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  And so it's one of my favorite books of his.
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  So friends, you can get that Walter Martin dot com what's new and it's on Amazon as
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  well.
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  The other book I just wanted to briefly highlight, Jill, the Kingdom of the Colts Handbook.
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  And you updated that.
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  I think you put something in there on the satanic temple or tell us about that.
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  Yeah.
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  What the handbook is is for years and I'm talking like years and years.
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  We were asked, can we have something maybe that's a condensed version of the Kingdom of
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  the Colts?
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  And that's what the Kingdom of the Colts Handbook is.
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  It's a, you know, any of you out there who have the Kingdom of the Colts knows a pretty
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  big, thick, heavy book.
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  We wanted a book that somebody could just take to Bible study or do a Bible study with.
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  And so we decided to put together the Kingdom of the Colts Handbook where we take sections
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  of his chapters in the Kingdom of the Colts and condense them down and then added questions
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  and answers in the book so that you can use it for a Bible study.
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  Awesome.
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  Awesome, friends.
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  So there's a lot going on there at WalterMartin.com.
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  So Jill, let's talk about a recent story.
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  Actually, earlier this year, there was a man, Michael Cassidy, he's a U.S. Navy veteran.
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  He was charged with a hate crime.
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  And Jeff, you can bring up this story because I wrote about this back in February of this
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  year, I believe, and all he did, what he did was anything, a lot of us would probably
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  want to do.
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  He dismantled a statue of Satan.
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  I think he'd be headed to the statue at the Iowa State Capitol.
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  Actually that happened around Christmas time last year when they put up a display.
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  And so it's vandalizing or toppling of statues of America's founding fathers or other
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  things isn't a crime, apparently.
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  But when you talk about a satanic statue or a satanic display, yes, that's a crime.
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  So there's kind of a double standard there, but tell us, you did a show on understanding
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  the times, radio with Jan Markel, and with a lawyer that represented Michael Cassidy,
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  and you do a little update, I haven't kept track on that, just share a little bit about
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  that.
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  We'll talk more about the satanic temple and their influence and go ahead and share
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  the outcome.
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  What happened?
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  Yeah, Davis Yance is or was his Michael Cassidy's attorney, just a brilliant guy, and he was
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  a former Navy Jag attorney, I think he was voted one year top Navy Jag attorney.
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  So he's got some pretty strong credentials.
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  Michael Cassidy has strong credentials too.
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  He's a Navy pilot.
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  So he's teaching the Navy reserves right now.
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  So these are not guys that don't have any strength or professional background behind
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  them.
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  He's pretty smart, pretty tough guys.
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  And so for Michael Cassidy to do what he did, it took a lot of thought and a lot of prayer.
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  And I know, you know, if I were standing in front of that bathroom at Statue, I'll tell
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  you, I would be tempted to do something because it is such an in your face thing that
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  the satanic temple does.
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  This is their whole way of operating, and has been from the beginning is to taunt and
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  to mock and to grade and to ride Christians and Christianity.
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  And so that's what they were doing.
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  They deliberately went there because that's where the Christians were.
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  They tend to follow us around, you know, like a little black shadow that the satanic
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  temple follows Christians around.
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  And that's why they want to do their after school, Satan clubs too because what are we
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  doing?
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  We're doing the good news clubs in the school.
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  So they're like dark little shadow that follows us around, you know, trying to kick our
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  feet out from underneath us.
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  And I think anyone when you do research on how the satanic temple began, they were just
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  basically propaganda and a movie type call to, you know, come on out and basically attack
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  Governor Rick Scott.
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  He was a former governor actually of Florida, but attack his agenda, his religious agenda.
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  And so that's how the satanic temple began, and they didn't even know their own beliefs,
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  David.
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  If I went back to their website, you know, before they pulled it all off there, and I went
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  to the way back machine, which is a really great thing that you can use for research.
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  And I pulled all of their, their actual steps to building their website.
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  And they literally crafted their doctrine, like first segment of the website, their first
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  version of the doctrine, second, second part of the website, their next version of the
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  doctrine.
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  And by the time they got to the third or fourth, hey, they had their doctrine.
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  It was totally different from the beginning.
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  You see what you're dealing with here, just total mockery and not a lot of substance.
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  And by the way, we do want to mention a charity evangelism fellowship, C E F and those
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  good news clubs where they share the gospel after school hours with kids and that is legal
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  to do that.
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  So of course, the mockers, which is prophetic, Peter warned and others about mockers will
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  come.
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  And they are mocking and that's all they have, because they don't have much, like you
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  said, they don't have much substance.
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  And anyway, so Jill, back to the results of that.
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  So what happened to that case where he was, I think, accused of a hate crime?
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  Well, Davis Young is so amazing.
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  He, as an attorney, went after the Iowa attorneys and basically pinned them down on every single
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  legal precedent.
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  That's how he won.
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  He fought with them and they've tried to fight back, but eventually they realized that
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  it was a losing situation.
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  And so they backed down from their hate crime, turned it into a misdemeanor and in the end
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  it's all going to be a splench from his record.
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  Great.
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  Well, that's good news.
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  I mean, we like to celebrate the good positive outcomes when Christian, you know, their
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  rights are protected.
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  What's interesting to me, Jill, we've got to take a brief pause, a break, but I wonder
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  if, if it was a Christian statuary display and someone did something to that, I wonder
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  if it would be the same if they would be accused of a hate crime against Christ again.
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  Because these, let's face it, these are attacks on Jesus, but they manifest, of course, in
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  these different contexts and situations.
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  So I'm glad that worked out for Michael Cassidy.
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  So Jill Martin-Rishie, are you surprised by the uptick?
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  It seems like there's an uptick of, you can call it mocking, but they're trying to get
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  some exposure for Satanism, the Satanic Temple, these after school clubs, Satan clubs.
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  We're just seeing more and more of this.
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  What have you noticed?
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  Any trends in Are You Surprised by it?
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  Well, we're in the last days, right?
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  So I don't know if anything can really surprise the kinds of things that we've been seeing.
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  I don't know.
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  I'm horrified.
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  I'm horrified.
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  But, yeah, my father used to say that Satan's evil and Satan himself, it's not corporate,
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  it's not a corporate, broad, detached evil.
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  It's a very personal evil, and that's what we were seeing.
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  And he would point to, you know, Buchenwald and to Belson and to these camps, the Nazi Holocaust
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  camps.
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  And he would say, this is personal evil.
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  Satan attacks personally, just like he does in our own lives.
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  And so I think what we are seeing is this huge rise in personal attacks, they come in all
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  shapes and forms.
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  And of course, Satan has dealt with us humans for a very long time.
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  He is a professional attacker.
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  He's seen generation after generation of humans go by.
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  And he has a certain doctrine that he teaches, it's called the doctrine of the demons, and
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  the Bible talks about it, warns us about it.
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  And it teaches a different Jesus, a different gospel, and it attacks us as Christians.
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  So and also, you know, my daddy's to point out, if you're not being attacked anywhere in
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  your life, then there's a problem there because those who are fighting for God and working
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  for God in their everyday lives, they are going to
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  be attacked.
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  And you might say, well, I don't really do anything special.
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  I just go to church and I go to Bible study and I pray, well, that's, that's being a
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  Christian warrior.
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  When you are praying for others and caring for others and doing whatever it is you do
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  in your life that God has called you to do, then he uses you and you will be attacked.
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  So yeah, I see the rise in evil in a broad spectrum and the world around us in politics,
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  obviously, stands out, you know, like a sore thumb.
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  The Olympics, that was an absolute travesty and twisted approach, pagan approach, total
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  paganism, complete paganism.
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  But it shouldn't surprise us if we look at the Swiss tunnel that they did years ago and
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  they opened that diet.
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  It was all total paganism then and the world leaders just sit there and smile through it.
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  So that part doesn't surprise me at all.
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  But I think we're also going to be seeing and we see it in our individual lives that
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  personalized attack.
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  And that's why we're supposed to put on the whole armor of God.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Talk just briefly about the Olympics.
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  I felt bad for some of the athletes that obviously didn't know what they're going to
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  do with the opening ceremony or the closing ceremony.
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  But you're right.
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  In these other opening ceremonies or these other things that they had that they hold,
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  it is so blatantly satanic and they're not even hiding it anymore.
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  Do you think people are naive to this, Jill, because that's what I think.
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  Do you think, and when it comes to Christians, we shouldn't be ignorant or naive about these
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  things.
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  But I think generally the rest of the world, they see this and maybe they laugh at it.
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  Maybe I don't think they understand the spiritual forces of darkness is at play.
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  What do you think?
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  Absolutely.
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  I mean, our whole culture has raised us, well, did for a very long time.
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  Our culture raised us to believe in science.
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  Now, of course, they've killed science with everything that happened with the COVID nightmare.
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  They've totally de-throened science.
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  But our culture, down through history, has always been based in the supernatural.
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  If you go and look at any of the museum shows that travel around, there was one for Pompeii
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  that was traveling around for a while.
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  My husband and I went to that and it was all total supernatural paganism.
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  There were idols on everything.
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  They put idols on their earrings.
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  They put idols on their plates for their homes.
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  So down through human history, it has always been about the supernatural.
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  And of course, the Bible is a supernatural book.
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  You cannot read it and not see that virtually every story in there and teaching in there
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  is related to supernatural, to that sense that we cannot see.
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  And so down through history, this has been the pattern of mankind until the late 1900s,
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  early 20th century, when all of a sudden God and everything supernatural was mocked and
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  mocked to the point where it was removed from our worldviews.
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  And you have suddenly this world without God.
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  And so you see the evils start to creep in.
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  The more this world without God grows, and I'm talking about culture, let's say, just
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  pin it down to America.
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  And the more that this world without God grows, they took God out of the public schools,
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  took care of the public schools, the medlemerio hair, the more that grew, the more evil came
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  in.
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  Not the satanic temple, but the whole satanic movement that grew in the late 1960s.
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  And you have a continuing and expanding and exploding through Harry Potter and all those
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  things that people think are funny and that they think are fake, but they're not, because
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  people get angry when I point to Harry Potter, but listen, you know, JK Rowling had an agenda.
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  She was consulting with witches, you know, during the time period that she was writing that.
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  And she had an agenda to include the supernatural, the real supernatural into Harry Potter.
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  And so she had in there what, talking to the dead, reading tea, these are things that
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  the Bible classifies as tools of the occult.
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  So occult is secret or hidden things that belong to Satan.
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  So yes, you see this tremendous explosion of evil when they remove God from everything.
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  But we have always been a world of the supernatural.
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  Humans have always been focused on that.
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  It's only recently that we see that start to disappear.
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  Yeah, it's interesting you're bringing up Harry Potter.
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  That's true.
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  The occult group, like I'm steroids in the 90s, in particular, when you remove God, something's
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  got to, that's a pretty big void that needs to be filled by something.
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  And they have filled it in, but religion, all these different religious ideas, they're,
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  they're all over the place now.
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  I think of Paul, his sermon on Mars Hill, you know, when he talked to, he said, I think
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  I observe your statues and your idols, your very religious.
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  And then he went to talk about the God that they, the God who made all things.
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  I'm, I'm just paraphrasing Acts 17.
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  But there's some things got to fill that void.
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  And I think Christians need to recognize people that don't think they're religious.
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  They really are.
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  Even, you know, atheism, we're talking about satanism, which is very dark.
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  But Jill, how do we respond to some of these things?
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  We know Christianity in America.
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  This is our context.
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  We're thankful for the freedoms we have had in our Constitution, the First Amendment.
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  And we have now, but we can see more discrimination.
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  We can see the double standards, you know, they're accusing us of hate crimes.
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  There's legislation.
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  There's the left wants to pass.
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  What, how can you just encourage believers to stay the course and not be silent about
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  sin and darkness around us?
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  Well, I think you just speak out whenever you can.
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  I mean, a lot of us don't have the podiums.
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  We don't have the mics, the big mics, the stages, you know, the world stages, or even
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  to start our own small political stages, but we have our lives.
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  And the Bible tells us that our lives matter.
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  That's the things we do in our everyday lives matter, the people that we touch, you're
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  in your home and your workplace, the one that you're in for a reason, the people that
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  you know you're there for a reason, God has planted you in that particular area.
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  And none of us, you know, fame is so fleeting, it's nothing.
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  And the classes I teach, you know, I say to my students, so do you know who this, this
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  some, this Hollywood actor is, and I'll name like, you know, Clark Gable or Vivian Lee or
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  these old, I love classic Hollywood.
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  And all I get are blank stairs, you know, from, from people in their 20s, you know, they're
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  18 to 20s, something.
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  Why?
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  Because fame is fleeting, it doesn't matter really at all.
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  What matters is what God has given you to do in your everyday life, reaching out and
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  touching your next door neighbor or your friend or encouraging someone or bringing someone
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  food or taking care of your local people and your restaurants or whatever.
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  My husband and I go out to eat one thing that we've, we've decided to do, and it's probably
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  a very small thing, but we always try to tip more, a lot more, because we feel like that's
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  our way of reaching out to the community around us.
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  You can't walk up to somebody in a restaurant and hand them a $10 bill, but you can for your
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  meal give them a little bit extra because maybe they've been on their feet for eight hours
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  that day.
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  They're tired, but those kinds of things that seem small, but to God, they're acts of kindness
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  and love.
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  And I had one time, and I was actually, I'll tell you the story real quick, dude, as I
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  would jam.
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  Mark Hell.
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  We were having dinner and we were sitting there and we had each paid and I did what I just
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  talked about, tipping and, and the woman who was waiting on us, she was Asian and she
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  was so very quiet and very humble and very excellent server.
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  And so I gave her the tip and all of a sudden I turned around and there was a person next
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  to me, she goes, oh, her and she starts bowing to me in the restaurant and telling me, thank
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  you, thank you, thank you and Chan looks at me and says, what did you do?
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  I said, I don't know, I just, I just gave her a tip and, but do you see what I'm saying?
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  It sounds funny and sounds small, but those are the things that impact everyday lives.
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  And you can do those little bit of things, you can give to your local community shelter,
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  you can do those things and, or if I got in your everyday life, and that is fighting against
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  evil, fighting against the things that are coming against all of us in this world.
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  And these things can often open the door to the gospel too, which is wonderful when we
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  have gospel opportunities because of doing something like you just explained.
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  And yeah, we all have a legacy, maybe not a Walter Martin, the kind of legacy, but we
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  all have a sphere of influence.
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  And thankful that you brought that up, little ways that we can bless others and you never
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  know how God is going to use that.
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  Jill, it went by way too fast today.
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  So Lord willing, we can do this again, but say hi to Kevin, I appreciate his work with
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  Jan.
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  Oh God bless you.
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  And again, friends, you check out WalterMartin.com.
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  Just an amazing, amazing ministry.
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  I'm just so thankful for you guys and your family.
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  So Jill, Lord willing, we'll do it again.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you for you, David.
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  All right.
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  God bless you.
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  Friends, please check out those new books, particularly the Bible answers to your toughest
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  questions.
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  This is great because Jill put this together with the Bible Answer Man responding to questions.
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  I'm thorny issues, that's part of the subtitle.
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  So guys, we appreciate you sharing the podcast.
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  God bless.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.