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The Late Debate 3 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James McPherson, with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. The number of education executives has doubled over
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  Speaker 3: the past decade, and yet educational outcomes seem to be
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  Speaker 3: going backwards for what's going on. Plus, China has come
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  Speaker 3: up with a novel way to increase their birth rate
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  Speaker 3: slapping a huge tax on contraceptives, but will it work?
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  Speaker 3: And the fight for AI royalties begins as a UK
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  Speaker 3: singer sues after claiming AI cloned her voice. All of
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  Speaker 3: that and more shortly, but we start the show tonight
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  Speaker 3: with yet another reason, as if you needed one, to
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  Speaker 3: keep your children well clear of so called experts. A
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  Speaker 3: Queensland University academic has warned that encouraging children to stand
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  Speaker 3: up for victims of bullying.
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  Speaker 2: Is a bad thing. That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Karen Healy has said that intervening to help when
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  Speaker 3: a child is being bullied risks disempowering the victim. She
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  Speaker 3: told the Career Mail and I quote people have assumed
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  Speaker 3: for many years having bystanders intervene in bullying would be helpful,
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  Speaker 3: but in general there is no association of bystander involvement
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  Speaker 3: and improved outcomes for victims. It may in fact make
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  Speaker 3: things worse when other students intervene to stop the bullying.
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  Speaker 3: It may make the victim feel helpless or look weak
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  Speaker 3: in front of their peers. People have assumed for many
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  Speaker 3: years having bystanders intervene in bullying would be helpful, but
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  Speaker 3: in general there's no association.
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  Speaker 2: She said that it will improve things at all.
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  Speaker 3: Now this was reported in the Career Mail, who also
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  Speaker 3: ran a poll and at last view, ninety two percent
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  Speaker 3: of people surprise, surprise, prayer disagreed with the expert, shock
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  Speaker 3: or obvious.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, at this point, the experts never really surprise me.
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  Speaker 5: They always seem to come.
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  Speaker 4: Up with a new, quacky theory, and this one does
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  Speaker 4: not disappoint. But you know what's more dis empowering than
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  Speaker 4: having someone stand up for you getting bullied. That's pretty disempowering,
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  Speaker 4: getting abused every single day. I would rather have someone
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  Speaker 4: stand up and defend me, even if it risks me
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  Speaker 4: maybe looking weak, then just be relentlessly bullied. And the
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  Speaker 4: academic literature seems to suggest that one of the most
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  Speaker 4: painful aspects of bullying is not even the bullying itself,
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  Speaker 4: but it's the fact that none of the victim's peers
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  Speaker 4: stand up and do anything. So yes, it might not
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  Speaker 4: stop the bullying.
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  Speaker 5: It might have other.
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  Speaker 4: Trade offs, but at least you're standing up, and it's
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  Speaker 4: not only just about the victim. It's good to teach kids.
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  Speaker 4: The standard you walk by is the standard you accept.
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  Speaker 4: If you see something that is not right, speak up,
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  Speaker 4: say something. So this doctor Healy should go get a
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  Speaker 4: degree from the University of Common Sense, because I think
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  Speaker 4: she spent a bit too much time in academia and
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  Speaker 4: not enough time in real life.
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  Speaker 1: But this is what I'm confused about, like in any
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  Speaker 1: other situation, Presumably I don't know. Doctor Heally may have
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  Speaker 1: a different view. But if you see something happening that
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  Speaker 1: is wrong you believe to be wrong, the right thing
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  Speaker 1: to do is to intervene or to voice your opinion
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  Speaker 1: on it. The standard you walk past is the standard
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  Speaker 1: you accept. So if you know that your best mate's
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  Speaker 1: building his wife, I meant to go, ah, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want her to feel weak if I tell me
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  Speaker 1: he shouldn't do that. If you're walking past a dark
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  Speaker 1: alleyway and you hear a woman or a man for
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  Speaker 1: that matter, down that alleyway, screaming because something's going on.
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  Speaker 1: You go, ah, look, you know, I wouldn't want them
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  Speaker 1: to feel weak. I won't intervene in that. Surely, it's
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  Speaker 1: the same principle as bullying. If you're in the school
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  Speaker 1: yard and you know Big Johnny's getting into little Johnny,
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  Speaker 1: well you go and tell Big Johnny that's not the
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  Speaker 1: way we do things around here. I reckon, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And this is like extreme end of things. Obviously, these
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  Speaker 1: days in schools we treat bullying a little differently to
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  Speaker 1: the way we're used to. Once upon a time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you came home and said to mom and dad, will
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  Speaker 1: big Johnny's bullying me? And Mum and Dad turned around
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  Speaker 1: and said, well, give them the Bob Catter treatment. Don't
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  Speaker 1: say that because that irritates me.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll punch blokes in the mouth for saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Give them the cat that I say, And that's what
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  Speaker 1: you should be doing. If you see a bully as well,
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  Speaker 1: that irritates me. I'll punch you in the mouth if
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  Speaker 1: you don't stop. That's how we used to deal with
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  Speaker 1: these things, and to some degree, I think it probably
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  Speaker 1: worked better because it said to the bully, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: afraid to stand up to you, because that's the bully's power,
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  Speaker 1: is that no one will stand up to them. And
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  Speaker 1: breaking that power and standing up to a bully, whether
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  Speaker 1: you're the one being bullied or you're someone watching the bullying,
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  Speaker 1: says to the bully, mate, you're not on the top
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  Speaker 1: of the tree. It's ever been thus and now we
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  Speaker 1: have academics chilling us. Oh no, it actually makes the
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  Speaker 1: bullied feel weak.
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  Speaker 3: Really well, doctor Hilly's gone for a very softly, softly approach.
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  Speaker 2: These are her recommendations.
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  Speaker 3: Rather than encouraged bystanders to step in and defend people
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  Speaker 3: who are being bullied, she says, we should rely on
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  Speaker 3: three things.
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  Speaker 2: Number One, school policies. Oh so, schools need.
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  Speaker 3: To have more paperwork filed somewhere in the office.
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  Speaker 2: That'll stop bullying.
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  Speaker 1: Second law says that you shouldn't bash your wife, but
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  Speaker 1: oh they don't find Sorry, sorry, I just thought we
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the second suggestion. Schools need to create a kind environment.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 4: How is that going to happen if no one calls
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  Speaker 4: out the people creating a bad environment.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure she's a lovely lady, but I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: she's been to a public school recently.
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  Speaker 2: And third, report incidents within forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 3: When you report an incident two days later, it becomes
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  Speaker 3: an issue of he said, She said, teachers would be
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  Speaker 3: very reluctant to get involved at that point. I don't
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  Speaker 3: see how any of those recommendations protect children from being
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  Speaker 3: bullied in the schools.
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  Speaker 5: Especially the reporting one.
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  Speaker 4: I understand you want to report this stuff, but when you,
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  Speaker 4: as the victim, go to the teacher, you're then branded
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  Speaker 4: as the snitch and the teacher's pad.
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  Speaker 5: Which will probably make the bullying worse.
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  Speaker 4: It's better to just confront it head on and just say,
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  Speaker 4: as Caleb said, stuff you. If you don't stop, I'll
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  Speaker 4: take matters into my own hands.
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  Speaker 1: And dell, I guess you know homeless people, geez. We
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to help homeless people. That might make them
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  Speaker 1: feel weak, that they can't lift themselves up out of
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  Speaker 1: the situation where I mean, you just follow all of
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  Speaker 1: this to its logical conclusion, and it makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: People who have the ability to help other people should
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  Speaker 1: help other people. It's just the way things should be.
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  Speaker 1: While we're talking about schools, though, the explosion in staffing
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  Speaker 1: in schools, and I don't actually mean the teachers, I
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  Speaker 1: mean the staffing across the education sector excluding teachers, has
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  Speaker 1: gone through the roof. I think you'd be surprised to
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  Speaker 1: hear just how bad it has become. There's a mob
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  Speaker 1: called save our Schools. There are a lobby group and
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  Speaker 1: they have crunched the numbers for us, thank Evans, and
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  Speaker 1: they've turned the numbers over to the news Core papers
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  Speaker 1: and this has been published in the news Corp papers
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  Speaker 1: today and they found that in the decade between twenty
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  Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty twenty four, non school bureaucrats so that's
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  Speaker 1: people not working in the schools, grew by eighty nine
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  Speaker 1: percent compared to forty seven percent for non teaching staff
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  Speaker 1: in schools teachers, aids and librarians and that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Sixteen percent for teachers and seven percent for students. So
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  Speaker 1: you've had seven percent growth in students, sixteen percent growth
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  Speaker 1: in teachers, and eighty nine percent growth in bureaucrats. It
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  Speaker 1: would seem there is a problem, and it is even
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  Speaker 1: worse when you go into the subset of bureaucrats that
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  Speaker 1: is executives, and these are the people, of course being
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  Speaker 1: paid the most money. I mean the highest education executive
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  Speaker 1: who's the head of the education department, the secretary of
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  Speaker 1: the Education department. Federally, he's on more than a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars a year. Of course, you can see him there
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  Speaker 1: on the screen. He's raking it in. But when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to executives and education departments, and this is federal
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  Speaker 1: and state, it's gone from three hundred and sixty five
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  Speaker 1: to teen years ago twenty fifteen to one thousand, three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one in twenty twenty four, more than
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  Speaker 1: double the number of executives we had ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: when in that period students have grown by seven percent.
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  Speaker 1: How do you justify more than doubling the number of
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  Speaker 1: executives who are on big salaries when you haven't had
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  Speaker 1: an equal number of students entering the system We spend
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  Speaker 1: and these numbers are the newest I could farm was
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  Speaker 1: from the twenty two to twenty three financial year. But
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  Speaker 1: because federally and state wise we spend eighty six billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars on school how much of that money is being
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  Speaker 1: sucked up by bureaucrats sitting in offices who are delivering
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  Speaker 1: seemingly diminishing returns because our results are not getting any better.
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  Speaker 1: Their numbers are increasing, results are going backwards. The number
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  Speaker 1: of students isn't. I cannot make sense of it.
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  Speaker 3: Will you ask how you justify it? You justify it
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  Speaker 3: with an increasing number of policies and more and more layers,
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  Speaker 3: the bullying you've got to have someone to push the paper,
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  Speaker 3: and increasing regulation, which schools are very.
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  Speaker 2: Ladened with.
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  Speaker 3: I can understand an increase in IT staff these days
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  Speaker 3: because the amount of IT required for school is just
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  Speaker 3: increasing astronomically.
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  Speaker 2: I can understand an increasing number.
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  Speaker 3: Of support staff for teachers because teaching is increasingly a
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  Speaker 3: very difficult job, behavioral issues.
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  Speaker 2: So on and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: But an increase in bureaucrats makes no sense at all,
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  Speaker 3: especially as when Caleb said, education outcomes seem to be
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  Speaker 3: going backwards. But that's the case right across the country
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  Speaker 3: at the moment. You have top heavy bureaucracies that are
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  Speaker 3: underperforming as results increasingly are minimized in frequent and substandard.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not even as though they're taking workload off teachers.
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  Speaker 4: Teachers in Australia are still doing on average six hours
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  Speaker 4: of admin of paperwork every week. That's a full school
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  Speaker 4: day worth of admin. It's the fourth highest in the OECD.
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  Speaker 4: So teachers are still being overworked, they're still stressed. Yet
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  Speaker 4: you've got all these bureaucrats. You really have to ask
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  Speaker 4: what are they actually doing. And the other problem is
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  Speaker 4: that it sucks good teachers out of the classroom because
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  Speaker 4: if you want career advancement and a pay increase, well
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  Speaker 4: you're not going to get that in the highly unionized
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  Speaker 4: teaching field. Your only option is to go into the
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  Speaker 4: Department of Education and work way up through the bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 4: So it's kind of a double whammy where you're paying
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  Speaker 4: these people to do really who knows what, but you're
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  Speaker 4: also losing some of your best teachers to the bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 1: And you look at the wage growth as well. The
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  Speaker 1: wage growth for teachers in that decade period has been
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  Speaker 1: about forty eight percent, which is a bit above inflation,
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  Speaker 1: so they have had real wage growth, But the wage
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  Speaker 1: growth for the bureaucrats the non teaching staff has been
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  Speaker 1: eighty percent. So again, the discrepancy is so stark that
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  Speaker 1: you have to say, the only way to fix this
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  Speaker 1: system is to blow the entire thing up and start again.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly right well over in the UK. Now a victory
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  Speaker 4: for common sense and for women's rights. The UK Girl
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  Speaker 4: Guides organization has officially banned transgender people from participating in
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  Speaker 4: Girl Guides or volunteering with the organization since twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: They had a transinclusive policy for kids and for adults volunteering,
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  Speaker 4: anyone who identified as a female could come and join.
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  Speaker 4: But of course now with the new definition of a
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  Speaker 4: woman returning to someone who is a biological female under
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  Speaker 4: the Equality Act, they've now been forced to reverse that position. Now,
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  Speaker 4: this only came about because a mother with a seven
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  Speaker 4: year old daughter who's in Girl Guides threatened to take
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  Speaker 4: legal action against the organization. She put together pre lawsuit correspondence.
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  Speaker 4: That was the thing that made them back down. So
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  Speaker 4: I think the lesson here is actually, sometimes law fare
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  Speaker 4: does work.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes you do.
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  Speaker 4: Actually need to take the aggressive route to stand up
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  Speaker 4: for what's right. And these grassroots movement of common sense
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  Speaker 4: they make an impact.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because the court in the UK officially defined,
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  Speaker 3: for purposes such as this, a woman as a biological female,
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  Speaker 3: and yet that did not convince the Girl Guides to
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  Speaker 3: change their trans policy. It was only when someone threatened
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  Speaker 3: to take them to court that finally they relented, So
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  Speaker 3: they certainly don't deserve any credit for this decision. Absurdly,
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  Speaker 3: even in announcing that they would change their policies so
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  Speaker 3: that transgendered people would not be part of the Girl Guides,
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  Speaker 3: they continued to say, we are still believers strongly in inclusion.
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  Speaker 3: This whole inclusion thing drives me nuts, because if you
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  Speaker 3: make inclusion the highest goal by definition, you ruin and
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  Speaker 3: destroy absolutely every category you can imagine, because to create
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  Speaker 3: any category, you have to buy definition exclude those things
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  Speaker 3: which don't belong to the category. The Girl Guides, by
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  Speaker 3: making inclusion their highest value, threatened to destroy their own organization.
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  Speaker 3: The Boy Scouts went through a similar process, and you
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  Speaker 3: just wonder what Baden Powell and his wife, who established
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  Speaker 3: the Boy Scouts and the Girl Guides back in the
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  Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was on.
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  Speaker 3: Christian principles to teach all sorts of things but also
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  Speaker 3: inculcating the Christian faith. If they were alive today, what
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  Speaker 3: they would make of an association that continues, even in
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  Speaker 3: the face of court orders, to defiantly say that we
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  Speaker 3: will recognize anyone who says they're a girl as a girl.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's a small clue in the name that is
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  Speaker 1: girl guard exactly. You know, I mean, if someone's coming
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  Speaker 1: around to knock on my door to sell me biscuits,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting it to be a boy. I'm expecting
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  Speaker 1: it to be a girl, right. And you again, you'd
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  Speaker 1: think that was common sense. But I mean, we needed
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  Speaker 1: a court in the UK to tell us what a
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  Speaker 1: woman actually was, which kind of gives you an indication
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  Speaker 1: of where we were at. But I am heartened to
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  Speaker 1: see even though it took someone saying I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: take you to court in order for the girl guides
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  Speaker 1: to fall into line. And clearly, you know, they have
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  Speaker 1: now recognized what the law actually is and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they would have struggled to stand up their pre
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  Speaker 1: existing policy if they went to court, because the court
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  Speaker 1: has decided that women are biological women. But you know
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  Speaker 1: someone has stood up and said, actually, no, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like this, I'm not going to deal with this, and
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  Speaker 1: has done something about it. And this is the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's very easy, and well easy is probably not the
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  Speaker 1: right word. A lot of people feel crowd into silence
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  Speaker 1: when it comes into these comes to these issues because
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to be the person who gets accused
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  Speaker 1: of being transphobic. You don't want to be the person
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  Speaker 1: who seems difficult. You don't want to be the person
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  Speaker 1: who brings trouble upon your daughter or your son because
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  Speaker 1: you've raised an issue with the local group that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to. But someone sometimes for the good of the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us, has to stand up, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: this mother has done, and she's been successful. So I
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  Speaker 1: hope this is a signal to people more broadly that
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  Speaker 1: if you make an effort and you call out is
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  Speaker 1: clearly wrong, it can actually work. Don't feel like you're
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  Speaker 1: just one voice in the wilderness and you can't achieve anything.
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  Speaker 1: Here is an absolute example of it being achieved.
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  Speaker 3: And thank god for Mum's Mum's the heroes. We did
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  Speaker 3: a story was that last night about a mum here
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  Speaker 3: in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Who took exception to the sex education course.
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  Speaker 3: Her child was subjected to beast reality and other topics,
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  Speaker 3: and that mum also threatening court action and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, the school is changing their tune on what
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  Speaker 3: is and is not appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to.
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  Speaker 3: China now for the past thirty five years, they've had
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  Speaker 3: a one child policy to try to curb a growing population,
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  Speaker 3: and as part of that they promoted and heavily subsidized
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  Speaker 3: all sorts of birth control. However, the one child policy
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  Speaker 3: worked a little too well. In twenty sixteen, eighteen point
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  Speaker 3: eight million babies were born in China, but last year
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  Speaker 3: just half that nine point five million. And so now
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  Speaker 3: the Chinese government, instead of subsidizing birth control methods, is
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  Speaker 3: now taxing them. They're whacking a thirteen percent value added
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  Speaker 3: tax for the first time in three decades on birth
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  Speaker 3: control and contraceptive devices. Now this is causing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of debate because, of course, many are saying this is
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  Speaker 3: going to cause things like sexually transmitted diseases HIV for example,
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  Speaker 3: to start to get out of control if there's a
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  Speaker 3: massive tax put on condoms. Others are arguing that it's
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  Speaker 3: really not going to make much of a difference to
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  Speaker 3: the younger generation anyway, who will do what they do
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  Speaker 3: regardless of taxation. But China's got to do something to
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  Speaker 3: reverse the downward trend in population.
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  Speaker 2: Is this the answer?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, you're too about the risk
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  Speaker 1: of STDs. They might have to bring back the Grim
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  Speaker 1: Reaper campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the Grim Reaper Remember that in the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: In the eighties, and that was I mean where everyone
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  Speaker 1: was told you must use a condom, you must use
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  Speaker 1: a condom. But I mean China is quickly realizing what
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  Speaker 1: has gone wrong. The one child policy was all good
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  Speaker 1: and well when they thought they were overpopulated, but now
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  Speaker 1: they've realized demography is a destiny and they are losing
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  Speaker 1: people much like the rest of the world. It's only
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  Speaker 1: Israel and Sub Saharan Africa they have a positive birth
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  Speaker 1: rate now, and so this is a problem with which
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  Speaker 1: we are all grappling. So the idea that you would
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: put a tax on birth control in order to look
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's going to turn the dial. If
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you have to pay another thirteen percent tax in order
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to get a bit of nookie, I think people will
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: be prepared to do it, particularly when they consider thirteen
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: percent of a packet of condoms versus a lifetime of
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: paying for a child. If that's what they don't that's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: not what they want to do. I think it's easy
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to work out which is the cheaper option.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And I think really there are of course
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: economic constraints that are holding the birth rate down, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: we hear that all the time in Australia. You ask
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: young people why you're having kids?
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Why are you putting it off?
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I can't house, I'm not insecure employment. There are
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of economic factors around it. But I think
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: more deeply, the root cause of our declining birth rate
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: is a cultural one. We live in a culture where
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: people are told the most valuable thing you will do
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: is have a career, And so why would a woman
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: take time out to have a child that people see
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: as they see that as a fundamentally selfish act. There's
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: no sense that it's in the national interest. It's not
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: elevated as a morally righteous.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Thing to do in any way.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: It's just seen as a personal choice among a myriad
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: of other personal choices someone could make. And so no
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: wonder why would a woman sacrifice years of her life,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: her body, her insanity to do that in this kind
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: of a culture. Can China change that culture? That's the
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: real question.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I doubt it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I think after thirty five years of drilling into multiple
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: generations that children are not a priority, I don't see
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that changing anytime soon.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: We might end up with what we've got here in Australia,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: with tobacco, a huge black market for condoms, in all
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: sorts of shops being blown up, and all sorts of
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: crazy stuff in the over.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Talk about root causes. It's the root or like they're off,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that is the cause of all of this. But in
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the US they are are forging ahead with another idea
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to try and encourage people to have kids, and that
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: is to actually say, you know, you have a kid,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and we'll try and set your kid up in life
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Because the Trump administration announced July this
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: year that they come up with what is basically a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: big nation fund in order to give money to kids.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's one thousand dollars goes into a bank account for
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a kid that he is born from this year onwards.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And Michael Dell, who was the founder of Dell Computer Company,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure you're aware of, has chucked in six
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: point two five billion US dollars to this scheme. That's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: nine and a half billion Australian dollars, which will mean
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that twenty five million children will be able to add
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: another two hundred and fifty dollars to this account, which
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: will then be invested and they'll be able to access
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it when they're eighteen. And again, I mean it's a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: great idea and I'm glad to see private money now
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: getting involved. I mean it's a huge philanthropic donation nine
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and a half billion Australian dollars to give kids in
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the US a leg up. But again, it doesn't really
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: address the boomboom root causes of this, because it is
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the propensity and ability of parents to be able to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: flourish that will determine whether or not there are children.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You can say, look, we'll have an investment account for
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: your kid, but that doesn't make it any easier for
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you to buy a house, or for you to fund
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: your kid, or all the other problems that go with it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: But it does send the message that this is a
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: national priority, and when you have policies about supporting families
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: and lifting the birth rate, it does signal to people
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: that this is actually a.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Good thing to suit.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Whereas in Australia, not only do we have very little
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: policies to encourage family formation, we punish family formation. We
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: tax people as individuals, not as families, so there is
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: no incentive to take time out to raise children. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I think it won't be this silver bullet, but it
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: will send the message that children are actually a national asset.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: It's a good thing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: This policy is also very reminiscent of what the New
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: South Wales liberals trying to do. They trying to introduce
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: a very similar thing in the twenty twenty three election.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: The only problem was it was announced about three weeks
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: before the election, like every other policy seems to be
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: these days, and no one.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Knew about it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of other things that this policy achieves.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Having a large lump sum that your child can access
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: at the age of eighteen is a good way to
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: ensure that at the age of eighteen, your child is
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: off your hands. So that might create some incentive to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: have children. Hope you're watching Joe and Ben and the
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: other thing. Of course, it is very important besides encouraging
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: people to have children, is at foster's financial literacy, which
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: is a major problem in the West these days, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: the US administration also, so we want to make every
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: kid a capitalist. When you look at what's happening in
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: New York, I love that Mamdani action, a massive socialist
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: give kids a fund that is investing in shares and
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: watch those kids grow up to be raging capitalists.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: That's got to be good for conservatism.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: We're talking just a moment ago about China taxing contraceptives. Well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: here in Australia, the increasing tax on tobacco has led
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to all sorts of problems right around the country with
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: organized crime. We've had shops being set on fire, we've
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: had people killed. It's just caused enormous chaos around the country.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: And there's no doubt in most people's minds. I would
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: have thought that there's a very clear link between the
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: massive excise the government has put on cigarettes and the
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: burgeoning illicit tobacco trade. But according to government Senator Murray what,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: there's no link whatsoever. He was questioned about it by
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: One Nation's Malcolm Roberts just yesterday.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Have a listen, do you consider the government's very high
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: tobacco duty is the reason otherwise lawabiding citizens are prepared
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: to buy illegal tobacco for generally a third of the
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: legal price. No, any reasons.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that argument.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Are you Jerki No? Okay, Frey.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I would have thought there's evidence in every suburb pretty
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: much of the country.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Oh that I mean, did Murray What even believe what
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: he was saying? I don't think then, I mean the
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: look on his face. Come on, about thirty dollars of
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the price of a packet of cigarettes is now tax
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: It has gone up eightfold since two thousand and six.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, you cannot deny.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: As the taxes increase exponentially, so has illicit tobacco. Of course,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: as we talk about, enforcement does play a role. Police
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: have not been resourced to actually tackle this, and so
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: crime gangs have just seen this open field where they
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: can make a lot of money at a relatively low
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: risk threshold.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: So why wouldn't they.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Even chris Min's the New South Wales Premier in June
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: of this year, he told the ABC and I quote
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: that the tax on cigarettes was quote pushing regular law
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: abiding citizens into an illicit black market. Even chris Min's
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: the New South Wales Labor Premier sees an obvious link
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and I agree with you. I don't think Murray what
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: believed a word he said there, And he didn't say
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: many words because he couldn't.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm done, bye, I'm out of here. Seriously,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like if how can you? I am just so dumbfounded
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: as to how you can actually say that that there
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: is no evidence, no link. I mean, why do you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: think people buy a listen? It must be because they
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: love Middle Eastern crime games. Yes, I mean it's it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like thirty nine percent was the estimation of the size
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: or the you know, the slice of the tobacco market
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that is taken up by the illicit market thirty nine
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: percent last year, and it's forecast of sixty four percent
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: next year. So sixty four percent of smokers just love
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the idea of Middle Eastern crime gangs and all this
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: money being sent off sure to be ran so much
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that they're like, I just I can't wait to get
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: up in the morning and go down to the local
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: dodgy tobacconist and make my donation to crime. I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: is that what he's suggesting, Because if it's not the tax,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: if that's not the reason that they're buying ten and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: fifteen dollar packets of cigarettes instead of forty and fifty
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: dollar packets of cigarettes, I mean, look, I did year
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: three mats. I think I can work out what's going
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: on here, but the government can't. They just don't want
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to admit that they've got it wrong. Coalition and labor
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: governments have contributed to this exponential increase in the tobacco excise,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: but they do not want to admit that they got
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it wrong and that there is clearly a point at
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: which the tax stops working in preventing people from spoking
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and just becomes an impediment to people using a llegal product,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: which now means that you're losing tax revenue that you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: would otherwise be making. It is quite probably increasing the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: rate of smoking, because we can see now in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: waste water that there is an increase in nicotine use.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And whether that's smoking or vaping, it doesn't particularly matter.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It's all mostly illegal products. We're actually driving people to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: smoke and vape more well. Fantastic public health policy, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: yet they say there is no link. It is just extraordinary.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: It is mind blowing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: But let's move on from dodgy tobacco to dodgy music.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: One of the most viral songs in the world right
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: now is under fire from one of the biggest singers
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: in the world. She's claiming that this AI song has
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: copied her voice. Here's an explainer video from the Harold Son.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: This unreleased Georgia Smith's song was one of the most
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: used audios on TikTok during the month of November.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Take all that be wise? Can I Go Rob?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Except it wasn't Georgia Smith, it was AI generated.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: So this is the contention Georgia Smith, who is the singer.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: She is claiming that this song called I Run, which
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: has blown up all over social media, was created using
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: an AI platform that was either one directly mimicking her voice,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: or if it wasn't directly mimicking it, the AI platform
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: was trained on her songs, so it's still used her
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: material catalog, her copyright to generate this song. Now, the
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: group on the other side who've created this AI song
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: have denied this and they've said it's one of the
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: band members, but they did put it through AI. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: after a global takedown notice was issued, they've now re
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: recorded the song with human vocals. But it is still
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: claimed that there's AI being used and it's being drawn
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: from Georgia Smith's work of music.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: So have a listen to.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: The before and the after and you can decide is
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: there still AI being used?
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: A guess mag.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Ol jacommon.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: So that was the irun song and then the second
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: one was Georgia Smith's vocals. You can hear there is
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: clearly a strong similarity between the two. But this could
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: be a landmark case in AI copyright because if it
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: is found that actually they're infringing on her copyright by
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: using this AI song making platform, well, how many other
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: songs are going to be in trouble.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Well it's an interesting point, isn't Because you know, they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattering,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and there are plenty of musicians who have traded on
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and singers who've traded on imitating. I mean, you know
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that's you got to a tribute band. That's exactly what
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: it is. I don't know whether the tribute is I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: suppose they have to pay royalties of some degree to
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a band in order to perform as them. But there
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: are also plenty of musicians who have, you know, without
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: being that person or directly copying them, have over the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: years been very much like them in order to build
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: a career. I mean, you know, when Elvis was going
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on in the US, you had Cliff Richard over in
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the UK making The Young Ones. And if you go
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and watch The Young Ones, if you haven't seen the film,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: like you could not get any more of a caricature
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of someone trying to look like Elvis as Cliff Richard
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: looks in that film. So it's been going on forever
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and ever, but now we have the advent of AI
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: where you can basically invent someone's voice without being an
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: actual person imitating them. And the real problem for this
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: mob that the dance mob Haven who put out this
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: iron song, I think will be that they can say
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that they had their singer put her voice into an
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: AI system, and this is what the AI system spat out.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But in their posts on social media, in a number
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of their posts, they put hashtag Georgia Smith. So either
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: they just thought it sounded a hell of a lot
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like Georgia Smith and they were putting hashtag Georgia Smith
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to say, oh, isn't it amazing? It just sounds a
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: lot like her, or they knew what they were doing
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: from the beginning. And if they knew what they were
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: doing from the beginning, I think that's dirty. Go and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: make your own music, don't steal other people's voices.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: The world has just got so complicated. I don't know
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: if you guys would remember, you'd probably know of it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: But I was a kid when there's a band called
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Millie Vanilly.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Now who were top of the charts. They didn't sing
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: at all, exactly.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: They just stood there and mind the whole thing, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: that was an outrage at the time. Little did we
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: imagine twenty twenty five, when we'd have things like AI
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: confusing everybody, and you really would find it almost impossible
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to distinguish from the real artist and the computer generator.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Though, yeah, girl, I'm going to miss you. I didn't
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: think Milli Vanilli was too bad, but of course you
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: know it wasn't their voices, didn't they They eventually came
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: undone because the stage performance that's falling apart, isn't it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It's just amazing. Look, you know, there is nothing new
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: under the sun. I just think AI music, full stop
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: is bad. You can't go to an AI concert, you know.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I want real music, written by real people, sung by
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: real people that actually in something. But a lot of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: music these days modern music doesn't mean anything at all,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: so perhaps there's not much different. Speaking of modern music,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you may have heard of the singer Sabrina Carpenter. If
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you're a swifty you've probably heard of Sabrina Carpenter, if maybe,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: if your daughters are swifty and you took her to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift concerts last year? Was it last year
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: or earlier this year? Last year, wasn't it? In Australia
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you would know about Saprina Carpenter because she was the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: opening act for Taylor Swift. Anyway, the White House has
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: used one of Sabrina Carpenter's songs, and she's blown up
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: in the last couple of years as a pop singer
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: in her own right. But the White House has used
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it with a clip about Ice tag a look.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: Train this sort, ever trained the sword, ever trained the sword?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Well, Ice has tried that one has been quite successful,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it would said. But Sabrina Carpenter is not having one
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: bit of this. She does not like. She says on
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: x this video is evil and disgusting. Do not ever
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: involve me or my music to benefit your inhumane agender.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Well thanks for that, and White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: she says, we won't apologize for the boarding dangerous criminal,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: illegal murderers, rapists, and peter files from our country. Anyone
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: who would defend these six sick monsters, sorry, must be
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: stupid or is it slow? You know, part of me says,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: get over it, woman, you're making royalties out of it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: But I do also kind of understand an artist not
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: liking the way their art is used.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of ruining her stick, right because I'm
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: no Sabrina Carpenter fan. But as I understand it, have
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: you ever tried this one? The lyric when she performs
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: it in concerts, she mimics different sexual positions, And now
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: she's got that same lyric being used for illegal migrants
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: being taken down by Ice agents, which kind of ruins
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: the vibe for her that she's going for in her concerts.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: This isn't the first time, though, that the Trump administration
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: has been in trouble. Kenny Loggins got really upset that
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: they used one of his songs with a computer generated
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: meme of Donald Trump flying above a sitting dumping feces
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: on protesters, and even those with the rights to music
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: from Wicked the Musical were upset when the Trump administration
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: used one of those songs to cover a montage of
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: illegal migrants being arrested. So the Trump administration have a history.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Boys did they get up to about boh Well?
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I forget but I know, I think the copyrights expired
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: on that one.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: The village people were not upset at all.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: They love it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: They've benefited enormously.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is just a classic Trump move. It
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: is so good.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: And honestly, whoever's running the White House social media, whoever
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: their social media intern is, they need to get a
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: pay rise because everyone loves triggering left singers.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: It just makes it so much better.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, before we go to a break, the
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: treasurer in the UK, what do they call the Treasure
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: of the X check.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: That's the one Rachel reeves.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: She's been accused of overstating her chess ability. She often
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: advertises the fact that as a fourteen year old she
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: was the British Girls Champion in chess, and she loves
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to be photographed beside chess boards to emphasize just how
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: strategic and competitive she is. That's a photograph of her
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: at fourteen. It's been revealed she wasn't actually the national
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: British Girls champion. She was the British Women's Chess Association
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Girls Champion, which was a small division of chess. And nowheen,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you're as prestigious as the one she has claimed could
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: have been just a minor sort of you know, technicality,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: but she's got a history of claiming she worked for
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the Bank of England for ten years it was five,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: claiming she was an economist when she had a managerial
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: role in the complaints department at the bank, and accused
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: of plagiarizing lad sections of her books. So when you've
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: got that track record, people start to doubt everything.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yes day and she is the Chancellor of the Exchequer
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in charge of the books. Jeez, it really inspires confidence.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. We're going to go to a break.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: including and you've got to hear this how a trip
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to McDonald's resulted in the arrest of arsonists too just
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: burn down a council building in New South Wales.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: That's coming up. All right, Let's take a look at
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: It's not often, Caleb, we start with the Newcastle Herald,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: but they have got a cracking yarn on the front
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: page tomorrow.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: They do just very quickly. Before I get to it,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I just want to note that they've had the Rugby
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: World Cup draw tonight and the Rugby World Cup twenty
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: twenty seven held here in Australia, starts on October the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: first of that year. And we know how well the Wallabies,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: or as I prefer to call them, the Wobblies, are
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: going at the moment. Who do you reckon weave draw
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in pool A. We've got Chile, Hong Kong, China they're
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: called not Hong Kong and New Zealand.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: We will not be progressing.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Could it have been any worse? Probably not, But there
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you go. I wonder if the roller beachs will be
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: able to get themselves in order by them Something tells
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: me they won't. Speaking of not being able to get
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: yourself in order, I love this story. On the front
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of the Newcastle Herald tomorrow, big developer hired arson crewcure.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I wonder what this could be. A team of arsonists
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: was hired by a quote unquote big developer to torch
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the Lake Macquarie City Council Administration building last year. The
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: early morning break in an arson causing more than thirty
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: million dollars of damage. Details of the deliberately lit fire
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: can be revealed after the getaway driver East Maitland man
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: turning Charles Graham fifty four yesterday pleaded guilty to his
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: role in Newcastle Local Court. The arsenists were hired by
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a middleman to cause as much damage as possible to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the council building in Main Road Spear's Point, and looked
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like they had done a professional job. They spray painted
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: over the lenses of exterior CCTV cameras, whore all black,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: including gloves, broke into the building and then, armed with
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a jerry can full of petrol, each started a massive
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: blaze that ripped through the first two floors and caused
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: extensive damage. They were in and out quickly, but the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: three men then drove straight to Waterers Bay McDonald's, where
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: they were captured on CCTV going through the drive through.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: The decision would ultimately lead to their downfall, with police
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: able to allegiately identify to the three men in the car.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: This story has so much. A developer pays some boons
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to burn down the council building, presumably because they want
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a contract to rebuild it or something, and then well,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: they thought they'd done a good enough job. The developer
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: apparently was terribly happy with the job they had done,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and then they go to Mecca's and bring themselves, Like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: how hard is it if you're get to burn down
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: a council building, you're thirty million dollars worth of damage.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe don't go to Mecca's after.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: How different would this have been if one of the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: guys in the car, instead of saying Macas, had said KFC.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: The whole story would have been different, Kalb what would be.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Just said avocado toast for brunch. So we don't go
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: somewhere with cameras. You go to all that effort, you
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: wear black, they wore gloves, and then you go to Macas, which.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I should say, will have cameras if you're going to
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: commit a crime. I mean the guy who shot the
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: health executive in the US, Luigi. He was caught at McDonald's,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: still identified by his eyebrows.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe if you're you're a Krim, don't go to maccas.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be that seems to be the game.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I love the quotes from mister Graham as well. He
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: says of the developer, what he's asking for is something
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: pretty extravagant too. By the sounds of it, He's asking
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: for way too much. He wanted to take to run
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: through the place. What a bizarre story.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the front page of the
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Gold Coast Bulletin. Speaking of bizarre stories, the headline reads,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: you get a car with a photograph of a local counselor. Well,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to get the car. The
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: story reads that the Gold Coast counselor, who won a
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: car in a raffle he's the problem on the council
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: corporate credit card, has vowed to gift it back to charity.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Weeks after her name was pulled from the barrel, Southport
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Councilor Brooke Patterson wants to gain backing from colleagues to
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: give the vehicle one last month to a charity group.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So the councilor went along to a charity function. This
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: was a charity run by an organization that provides drug
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: and alcohol addiction help. The raffle tickets were three hundred
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and fifty bucks each. Were not cheap raffle tickets. She
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: purchased one on the council credit card. That was a mistake.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: If she'd done it on her own credit card, she
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: would have an MG hatch sitting in her driveway. But
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: of course the council credit card. Technically, I suppose she
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't own the car. I don't think she would want
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: to own the car wasn't on her credit card. Now
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: she's got to get permission from the counselors to give
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the back since technically I guess it belongs to the council.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, rookie error right there.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Although it is kind of nice to know that people
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: do actually win cars, Like you see those car displays
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: in shopping malls and you kind of do I always
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: wonder does anyone actually ever win them?
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: But you know, that's nice to know, you.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Know, in like that's life. And take five and stuff
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to get the puzzles, and you do the puzzles and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: then you send in to win the prizes. And my
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: nan must have been doing it for thirty years. And
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: every now and again she wins a kettle or something,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: but she's been hanging out for that car for a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: long time. Never come done it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: In the Harold Son Tomorrow, so the headline is Cure
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: for the Ages. This is an exclusive story vic scientist's
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: piney world first spray to fight Alzheimer's, a world first
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Alzheimer's therapy with the potential to prevent or even repair
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: the damage caused by the brain disease is being developed
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: in Melbourne and could be ready for clinical trials within
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: two years. Internationally renowned IVF and stem cell pioneer Alan
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Trounson will today launch a Melbourne biotech company to develop
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: and test the treatment to be delivered as a nasal spray.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: That's very, very exciting.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone will be cheering him on and wishing them best
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: of luck with that will help a lot of people.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: There, certainly, And if you can do it via a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: nasal spray. Some people don't like nasal spray for some
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: reason another, but it sounds like a much easier way
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: of treating things than he's normally done for these sorts
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: of issues. And you can take pills. A lot of
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: older people really struggle to get pills down and swallow
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and have swallowing you who' it's an answer to that
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: as well. And I think as well because your nasal
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: cavity absorbs things so well, it gets straight in there.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Great idea on the front of the Mercury down in Tazzi.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow one Tasmania Upper House to vote yes stadium. Now
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: it's time for the state to unite in building a dream.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So it does seem, as it says there on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: front of the paper that it will pass the Upper
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: House and they will get their brand new AFL Stadium,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: which means Devils will be able to play. It can
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: all go ahead. I mean it's in a magnificent spot.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I was down in Tasy in what July and it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you know, right next to the heart of town. You know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: it's fifteen minutes from the airport. People from Melbourne will
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: flock to Tasmania to go and watch the footy. I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: don't know how anyone could possibly have argued against it
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like it is, you know, typical small town mentality I suppose.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: But the tourism it will bring and the money it
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: will bring into Tasmania, no brainer.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And you reckon they'll get Nathan Buckley as their first cove.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Well wouldn't that be good to see?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: That would be a good prqu for the team as well.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Let's finish with the advertiser. Jim Flation hits home, reads
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: the headline. Treasurer Jim Chalmers has been warned to curb
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: a government spending or risk entrenching inflation and sparking an
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: interest rate rise. RBA Governor Michelle Bullocks said that if
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: private and government investment didn't come down, quote, that would
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: put upward pressure on the neutral rate. Energy subsidies are
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: also likely to be cut.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: This is not new.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Michelle Bullock's been warning for about twelve months now that
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: the government needs to curb spending. We wait with baited
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: breath to see if they do.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just not going to happen.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't see politically how labor is going
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: to cut spending because they're having to spend so much
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: to compensate for their lack of economic agenda in other areas,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: our prices being the perfect example. But if inflation remains
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: stubbornly high, we're going to have to get interest rates
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: up even further, which is going to be even worse
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: for people.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: All Right, when we come back from the break police
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: investigating a break in at a liquor store find the
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: culprit lying drunk on the floor, you just won't believe
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: who the drunken culprit is will show you after this. Well,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: the National Weather Service of Colorado warned on Sunday that
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: our roads would be icy. This driver should have paid
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: more attention.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Wan mean and the let me equality.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I enjoyed more, the driver don't
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: keep control of his vehicle or the Spanish commentary that
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I did not understand, but I quite enjoyed.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: It's so good. I love the commentary.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I think you should lay that over the top of
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: when they doted Oscar Piastre the other night. Would it
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: would make as much sense? But that fella or lady
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: seems to have taken a defensive driving.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Course, did very well.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: What's driving? Like a bit of a dickhead to begin with,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: but corrected course very well.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I have kept it out of the trees.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Get into rally driving? I reckon Hey, speaking of driving
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: or riding in this case. We told you last night
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: about the fact that the Poems, of course, were in
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Brisbane for the Ashes which kicks off tomorrow. I think
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the test match over there, and well they're beginning around
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: on e scooters without helmets on. Ben Stokes, the captain
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of the Poems, has addressed this today.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: There's been some criticism of yourself and some teammates not
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: wearing helmets on e scooters around Brisbane.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Do you acknowledge that that.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Was the one thing to do that's time we're on
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a scooter, we will wear helmets.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Do you think an apology is owed to Queenslanders?
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Next time we're on scooters, we'll wear helmets.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Are you're not gonna make any further comment about this
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: other than what you've just said.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: No, I'm going to move on, dismissed the teacher. I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: will behave myself in future. But he also said, we
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: are human. We need to enjoy countries when we get
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the opportunity, because we live in England where it is miserable,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: freezing cold and dark at four pm, and so say
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: all of us, so.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Good well over.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: In the United States, police were really confused when they
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: rocked up to a liquor store that had been broken into.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: There was a trail of destruction, bottles strewn everywhere, alcohol
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: on the ground, and it led them to the bathroom
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: where the culprit was discovered passed out face down next
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: to the toilet.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And the culprit was a raccoon.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Who smashed the bottles, drup the alcohol, and ended up
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: blackout drunk.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of a story about a certain parliamentarian
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: in South Australia who many years ago, when they were
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: trying to seal its. They needed him in the chamber
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: for a vote, and they found him in the men's toilets.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Was read all over the floor. They thought it was blood,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: was actually red wine.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for stick around. Coming up
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: in just a moment is the read a penalty show.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Good Night,