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I Fell in Love with my Psychiatrist, Sister Wives, Todd Chrisley with Sarah Fraser · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I have a first-time guest, but I know you're familiar
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  Speaker 4: with her. She's also a pop culture queen and podcaster
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  Speaker 4: and everything else. Sarah Frazier, welcome to the first time
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  Speaker 4: on Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: Heather, I'm beyond honored. I told you this. I told
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  Speaker 3: you before we started. I know so much about you.
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  Speaker 3: I could honestly spend an hour talking about you. This
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  Speaker 3: is like a tremendous honor.
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  Speaker 2: I respect you so much. It's my favorite subject. No,
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  Speaker 2: just kidding.
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  Speaker 4: No, I really appreciate your enthusiasm and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: It means a lot to me. So I'm happy to
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  Speaker 2: have you here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, it's a dream come true for real. I
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  Speaker 3: respect you so much. I mean, I want to do
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  Speaker 3: like a business podcast with you. You have had such
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  Speaker 3: an incredible career in podcasting. You are truly one of
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  Speaker 3: the biggest female podcasters in the world. Like, I want
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  Speaker 3: to know so much about everything you've done money-wise.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny that you say that. You're huge.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like for the youngins, they won't know
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  Speaker 4: who this is. But remember the old comedian Rodney Dangerfield?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: How he'd constantly just go. I get no respect. That's
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  Speaker 2: exactly how I feel in this business, in this space,
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  Speaker 2: in just the overlooking of so many things, but that
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  Speaker 2: I'm also like, who cares? Because I have such great.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully you've gotten so rich off it that you.
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  Speaker 2: I have such a great audience. I have such great
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  Speaker 2: loyal people.
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  Speaker 4: I have so much fun doing it that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when these things come up and then someone will be like,
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  Speaker 4: why isn't this you? I'm like, I really didn't need
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  Speaker 4: you to point that out, but thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't care. It's all good.
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  Speaker 4: But when someone does kind of recognize that I've been
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  Speaker 4: in this space for 10 years as a solo host.
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  Speaker 4: And when you do it, people that have done it
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  Speaker 4: for more than a couple years do realize how it
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  Speaker 4: is a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: So I do appreciate you saying all that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I want to give you your flowers, for real,
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  Speaker 3: because I don't think people realize your show is one of...
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  Speaker 3: You know, I love podcasting. I listen. My show is
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  Speaker 3: like nine years old. But the way you lay your
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  Speaker 3: show out is so... methodically done. It's so easy to understand.
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  Speaker 3: You are so fucking funny. You, and I don't think
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  Speaker 3: people realize when you started there 10 years ago, 10
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  Speaker 3: years plus, there was no way to make money.
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  Speaker 2: Like there wasn't, I mean, I wasn't making money at it.
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  Speaker 4: I was just doing it so that if I had
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  Speaker 4: stand up in the next few weeks, maybe some people
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  Speaker 4: would know. Cause I've, I've said this a few times,
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  Speaker 4: so I don't know if you know, but it was really, um,
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  Speaker 4: Tom Segura that made me do a podcast because I
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  Speaker 4: was in a place, I forgot the name of the
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  Speaker 4: club now in Dallas, but it's like a medium-sized club,
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  Speaker 4: but it was great.
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  Speaker 2: And I was in the little room.
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  Speaker 4: There was no green room. I could smell the fried
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  Speaker 4: food and that was all fine. And the guy was
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  Speaker 4: like giving me my check. And there was a little,
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  Speaker 4: there was a small poster of Tom Segura that he
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  Speaker 4: had come there. And I was like, oh, that's my friend,
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  Speaker 4: Christina Pazinski's husband. I go, apparently he has like a
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  Speaker 4: huge podcast, which is amazing because he's not even on TV. Like,
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  Speaker 4: cause this was 11 years, 10, 11 years ago. And
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  Speaker 4: he goes, oh yeah, he can come here on a
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  Speaker 4: Tuesday night and make $ 10, 000 because his fans are so
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  Speaker 4: rabid just to see anything with him. And that's the next,
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  Speaker 4: The next day I said, it's time for a podcast.
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  Speaker 4: And I was just thinking, I wasn't even thinking about,
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  Speaker 4: I was just.
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  Speaker 2: Thinking to go do live shows.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't even thinking because I didn't know anybody that
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  Speaker 4: did it when I was a guest or anything that
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  Speaker 4: was making any kind of real money at the time.
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  Speaker 4: And so just like, just like when I started standup
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  Speaker 4: or acting or whatever, money was never the reason, which
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  Speaker 4: is so different now because money's the only reason people
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  Speaker 4: go into podcasting. that have any kind of name or
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  Speaker 4: their agent is like, here, sit on your bed with
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  Speaker 4: your cat and make a million dollars a year. And
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  Speaker 4: then those people don't last because it is just like
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  Speaker 4: any other art firm. You've got to be doing it
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  Speaker 4: because you actually get satisfaction and joy out of it.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why people do teeter off after a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years because they do get burnt out and they
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  Speaker 4: do get over it and they don't like hearing the
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  Speaker 4: criticism or reading the criticism which is something that we've
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  Speaker 4: always had like and.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that you have stayed chart topping for like
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  Speaker 3: people don't realize how hard that is to be in
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  Speaker 3: apple and spotify's top 200 podcasts in the world people
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  Speaker 3: do not understand how many hundreds of thousands and millions
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  Speaker 3: of downloads and listen like that is I'm in like
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  Speaker 3: the top 50 for TV and film, that little category.
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  Speaker 3: And I always look at you and I'm like, you
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  Speaker 3: are the goal. And you, like, you're the one that
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  Speaker 3: brought me years ago, which we'll, then we'll bring up
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  Speaker 3: Norm Pattis. But years ago, with Podcast One starting, you
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  Speaker 3: were on, my entertainment lawyer in DC was very good
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  Speaker 3: friends with him. And I was like, Heather's on that network.
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  Speaker 3: I have to get on. I get on. One of
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  Speaker 3: the promises, of course, you know, is they're like, we'll
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  Speaker 3: reach out to Heather. We'll see if she'll do your podcast.
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  Speaker 3: This was like year one, right? Like a thousand people
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  Speaker 3: listened at the time. I'm like, okay, whatever you got
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  Speaker 3: to do. They're like, yeah, we'll talk to Adam. The
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  Speaker 3: minute I signed, I never heard. We couldn't get a
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  Speaker 3: hold of anybody. They never sold one ad. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: they never. And then I think after the year contract,
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  Speaker 3: they sent us an email and they were like, due
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  Speaker 3: to poor sales, we're going to have to let you go.
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  Speaker 3: We never had one sale. And what happened to Heather?
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  Speaker 2: Like, did you? Oh my God. All of this I
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  Speaker 2: did not know.
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  Speaker 3: But then the Norm Pattis thing leaked and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: she left anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what?
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  Speaker 3: For good reason. And But you I just people don't
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  Speaker 3: realize how big you are and how much work you've
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  Speaker 3: put in and truly like how you've made it an income.
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  Speaker 3: And to this day, I think people don't realize like
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  Speaker 3: how much money is in it. And truly, I always
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  Speaker 3: say this now, no matter what you think of the
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  Speaker 3: outcome of the presidential election. President Trump going on Theo Vaughn,
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  Speaker 3: on Joe Rogan, it's changed the game. You are the
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  Speaker 3: It's our show.
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  Speaker 4: I know people are like, God, did she have this
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  Speaker 4: girl come on just to have smoke up her ass?
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  Speaker 4: And as much as I love it, let's get to
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  Speaker 4: the juicy topics because I feel like people are going
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  Speaker 4: to be, but I do truly appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have a lot of fun today.
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  Speaker 4: Not as much as fun as you're going to have
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  Speaker 4: November 14th when you see me at the MGM Live
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  Speaker 2: And so get your tickets, make your plans. That's all good.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think you'll be going to BravoCon for anything?
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  Speaker 3: I'm debating. It might be a last minute.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Might be a last minute. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So let me tell you about, you know, people know
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  Speaker 4: I love TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great....
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  Speaker 4: A great way to find other talented people and enjoy people.
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  Speaker 4: And so people wrote me and said, Heather, you have
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  Speaker 4: got to go over to TikTok and see what's going
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  Speaker 4: on with this girl, Kendra.
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  Speaker 2: Kendra, I fell in love with my psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 4: Several parts, much like the Risa Tisa, who the fuck
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  Speaker 4: did I marry girl. And so I was like, sure.
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  Speaker 4: And I saw it was only 18 parts. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that's better than 50 of Risa Tisa. So, I start
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  Speaker 4: to listen to it and this girl's attractive and she's
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  Speaker 4: just talking to the camera. She's not doing makeup. She's
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  Speaker 4: not eating a tuna fish sandwich. So to me, that's
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  Speaker 4: more appealing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand why we have to see everyone, you know,
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  Speaker 4: contour their face or fucking eat with her, talk with
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  Speaker 4: her mouth, but whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. You got to do something else to
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  Speaker 2: make them listen. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So she basically tells this story of how she has ADHD.
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  Speaker 4: And so she went to a psychiatrist to get ADHD medicine.
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  Speaker 2: And they fell in love. That's how it starts. By
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  Speaker 2: the fourth or fifth episode.
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  Speaker 4: Is when the audience realizes that, I mean, when it started, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like ready. I'm like, oh my God, she's sitting
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  Speaker 4: across from him. They start fucking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this hot.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be hot. It's going to be manipulative.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be weird. It's going to be some
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  Speaker 4: sick shit. There's going to be, you know, I'm like ready. No,
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  Speaker 4: all of it was via Zoom. And you know, which
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  Speaker 4: by the way, you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't find out until what, like episode 16 or something
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  Speaker 3: you find it's, Quite far in, I thought. She ends
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  Speaker 3: up disclosing, oh, by the way, he was only seeing
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  Speaker 3: Zoom patients. You're like, all this detail and connection?
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  Speaker 4: And also for people that are not familiar with seeing
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  Speaker 4: a psychiatrist for medication, you only see them once a
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  Speaker 4: month just so they can check in with you and
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  Speaker 4: make sure that the medication is still working and it's
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  Speaker 4: very short sessions. It's not like traditional, you know, therapy,
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  Speaker 4: like couples therapy or one-on-one or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So she, so she sees him and she says, he's
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  Speaker 2: good looking. She says, he, you know, is Pakistani.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, but you know, America, but lives
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  Speaker 4: here and everything.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, and then she says, and, um, I was wearing.
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  Speaker 4: These tortoise shell glasses and he says, Ooh, I like
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  Speaker 4: tortoise shell glasses too. Well, some, so when these, when
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  Speaker 4: this stuff happens, the audience, if you're interested, you can
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  Speaker 4: see what other content creators are thinking. So you're like, finally,
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  Speaker 4: can I talk to someone else about what a freak
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  Speaker 4: this girl is? This other girl, and forgive me for
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  Speaker 4: not giving her credit, but she said when he was found.
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  Speaker 4: They found him, and he's a good-looking guy, and he's
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  Speaker 4: probably like 35 or younger.
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  Speaker 3: In one of the videos, she drops his first name,
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  Speaker 3: which is very unique, right? So it's like, okay, this
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  Speaker 3: is so easy. It's not like it's Paul. It's like
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  Speaker 3: Efren or something that's so distinct, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: she's never taken that down.
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  Speaker 4: But wait, I'm just getting back to the tortoiseshell. So
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  Speaker 4: this girl discovered he wears tortoiseshell glasses. He always wore them.
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  Speaker 4: So when she had them on, he was like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I like tortoiseshell glasses too because I'm always wearing them.
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  Speaker 2: They're my frames. But she would be like, and then.
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  Speaker 4: He said, I like those tortoiseshell glasses. This man was
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  Speaker 4: grooming me. And this is where it gets crazy. So
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  Speaker 4: then she goes on to say she's also seeing a therapist.
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  Speaker 4: So she's got the ADHD doctor and then a therapist
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  Speaker 4: who she says is like this 72-year-old, very established therapist.
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  Speaker 4: And- She feels like they're, like, working in cahoots, but
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't sound like they are.
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  Speaker 2: But in her head, she's like, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then the therapist asked me about my relationship with
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  Speaker 4: my boyfriend and what that— and what our intimacy was like.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, I have gone to therapy, and
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  Speaker 4: if you're married or something, they'd be like, how's everything going? Like,
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  Speaker 4: are you guys good? You're still sexually active?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, that's not, like, a weird thing to ask.
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  Speaker 2: So she kept— if.
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  Speaker 4: You've ever— Like, have you ever seen somebody or you
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  Speaker 4: know somebody who's that girl that thinks everybody wants to
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  Speaker 4: fuck her and everybody loves her and she's misinterpreting everything?
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  Speaker 2: But then what's dangerous about this is.
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  Speaker 4: We're putting this professional out where she's calling him a
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  Speaker 4: groomer and everything, and it was all on Zoom.
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  Speaker 2: All on Zoom.
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  Speaker 4: And then she finds out, she goes, and then I
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  Speaker 4: find out through his office that he does see people
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  Speaker 4: in person. So this is where the sick shit happens.
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  Speaker 4: He knows that I'm in love with him. And we
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  Speaker 4: had mad chemistry via Zoom. And so in order to
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  Speaker 4: keep me with these crumbs, he has set these ridiculous
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  Speaker 4: boundaries of not seeing me in person.
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  Speaker 2: So then I address him. And I'm like, why didn't
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  Speaker 2: you tell me you saw patients in person? So now
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  Speaker 2: he's like, cut, because you're a fucking freak. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And because you already told him that you like had
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  Speaker 4: feelings and he was like, well, then it's probably better
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  Speaker 4: that we never meet in person. And she goes, and
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  Speaker 4: then the final, then she sees him in person and
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  Speaker 4: she goes, and then he looks at me as he's,
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  Speaker 4: as I'm walking down the hall and he goes, okay,
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  Speaker 4: see you next month. That was the first time he said,
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  Speaker 4: see you next month.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 4: It means I have to see you once a month
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  Speaker 4: because you're on ADHD medicine, bitch.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was just... Oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: But of course she interprets it as, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: keeping me going as a patient to fulfill his fantasy
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  Speaker 3: of dating a patient.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That's all that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he is psychologically, I, he gets off on
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  Speaker 3: knowing that I am attracted to him and he should
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  Speaker 3: have ended this professional relationship, but he didn't. He kept
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  Speaker 3: me going with these bound, you know, no boundaries and
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  Speaker 3: all these things. And then you know, when she goes
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  Speaker 3: in to meet him, she goes to hug him and
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  Speaker 3: he like won't hug her back.
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  Speaker 2: And then he gives me this like very weird.
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  Speaker 4: So she's like, so here's, you know, she was criticizing
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  Speaker 4: his boundaries of being a professional therapist.
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  Speaker 3: And then she'll say, and the reason he didn't hug
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  Speaker 3: me back was because he wanted me to come back
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  Speaker 3: again and attempt again because he knew you're like, um,
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  Speaker 3: this man is, you know.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of crazy, other crazy things with it is,
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  Speaker 4: What does she do for a living?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, she's a life coach. I know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't mean to criticize life coaches. But if you're
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  Speaker 4: going to hire a life coach.
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  Speaker 3: It's not Kendra.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not Kendra. And she's a life coach for
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  Speaker 2: ADHD people. That people who have it. She also teaches yoga.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I am like this girl. I just can't.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 4: The whole thing is so fascinating. But so, of course,
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  Speaker 4: there's very funny people on this app. And then I
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  Speaker 4: came on the parodies of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good.
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  Speaker 4: And my favorite one was the girl that did it
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  Speaker 4: just like her of how she was like, hello, my
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  Speaker 4: name is whatever her name is, Jennifer.
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  Speaker 2: And this is how I fell in love with my
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  Speaker 2: AT & T carrier.
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  Speaker 4: And then she does this whole thing about how the
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  Speaker 4: AT & T guy called her, and then he would say,
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  Speaker 4: how's everything going? Of course he asked me how everything's going.
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  Speaker 4: Because he wants to keep me.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it was, her whole bit was so funny.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, another guy did one about falling in love
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  Speaker 4: with his, like, mail carrier. Like, all the type of
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  Speaker 4: things of, like, yeah, they have to show up. This
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  Speaker 4: is what the job is. And so then people are like,
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  Speaker 4: I hope this guy sues her, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Now....
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  Speaker 4: Because we're coming to the end of, like, whatever, five
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  Speaker 4: or six days this has been going on. Now I
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  Speaker 4: ran across another... Now the content creators are, like, they're
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  Speaker 4: getting jealous that she has 100,000 followers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And that she's still doing... Now she turned off comments
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  Speaker 4: a long time in. But now she's getting smart because
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  Speaker 4: you have to subscribe to her content if you want
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  Speaker 4: to leave a comment.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know you could do that. So now
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: she has 100,000 people and.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I am like, this is what I hope. Okay.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Cause this is so, obviously she had to turn off comments.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: She got such bad backlash.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: Could this be the ultimate hoax? I mean, maybe not
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: cause this guy truly exists, but like, did she like
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: know what she was doing all along? Because it was
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: such a ridiculous story. You're like, how can this even
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: be true? And now that she's basking in the fame
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: of it and the followers and the financial gain of it,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I hope he's in on it too and
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: it didn't ruin his life. I don't think it will
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: ruin his life because not one person thinks he did
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: anything wrong.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I don't know. But for.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: The general thought, it's this chick is spiraling. She is
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: the most conceited person, if we ever are allowed to
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: use that word anymore.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's a word from my era. You're conceited. You think
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: highly of yourself.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, and then the best part is when she then goes,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: I feel like I don't need the 74-year-old lady therapist anymore.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: So she goes in and they end their time. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: then she goes, and then look at this letter, this
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: email I get from her. Because the two of them
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: want content for their own life. And she goes, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: the therapist wants to keep me around because the therapist
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: even asked me advice on how to handle her. She
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: knew I was a life coach. And so did he.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Like, I was a peer.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, there's no way a therapist that has
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: gone to years and years of actual school and you
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: got a certificate online with Tori Spelling's brother. On how
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: to be a life coach, that they are like, can
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: you help me with my clients? Could I run a case?
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Could I break HIPAA laws and run a case by you?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I know, right?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Risk your practice.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: After I've been.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Doing this for 74 years or whatever she is. So
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: then she says, the woman writes, and she shares the
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: email by cutting out the names. I'm really happy about
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: your journey and moving forward. I do think it would
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: be wise or I encourage us to have one more session,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: very professionally written, Just so we can tie it up
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: in a nice bow, realize where you came from, where
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: you're going, and I can put that in the final case.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: And she's just like, why would you do that?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: You're obviously talking to the psychiatrist to try to get
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: me back in one more time. The way she was
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: misinterpreting the things that were so black and white, there
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: was nothing to misinterpret.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: AI is everywhere, but ROI isn't. At PwC, we turn
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• 18:45
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks. And yet somehow have found a
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the Emmys and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: what would you.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Do if it was given back? Where did that need
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: come from where you thought that you had to succeed
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: in order to feel loved?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I need a home dad.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: What happens next?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: happens next.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: every day was. You're worth the work.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: No, it was in the video that I found so
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: comical was when she talked about her family and she's like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: and I let my family know that I had told
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: my therapist that we were in love and he has
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: not fired me. And my family, the psychiatrist has not
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: let me go. And my family said, okay, Kendra. And
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I just thought, you know what I mean?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Like, the family knows.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: That's the whole response.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And then they said, okay, Kendra. Like, I thought, yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: they know. I think I know what okay means. I
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: think I know what it means. You're grooming me to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: go back to the psychiatrist so that I get more
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: wrapped up. I want to make it very clear. Not
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: one physical.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Thing besides the awkward hug has ever happened between the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: two of them.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, the other best part is she goes, and then.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: He was so manipulative, he was able to get inside
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: of my dreams. And I had a dream that we
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: made love and hooked up. And the next time I
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: met with him, I said, I had a dream that
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: we hooked up. And right away, his eyes got big
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and he went further back and showed how uncomfortable he
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: was because he knows that we're meant to be together.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: And he knows that not only was it a full moon,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: but I made clear that I was also ovulating.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So therefore, that this was more special.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: When, and then when she goes into, she's like, and
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: he's a Pisces.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So I knew that. Whatever astronomy gets into it. Oh
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: my God. Astrology, astronomy, astrology. Yes. Go on. Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Once the, once she did the astrology video, I knew
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: he was a Pisces. So he was getting mixed messages.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You are delusional. It is so, and now of course,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: like you said, it starts out 16, but now we've
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: gone on to 42 parts and now you have to subscribe.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've stopped, but. Um, this, this person says
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it's from, um, I don't know who posted this. Um, but, uh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: they want to get Mandy Moore as her. Love it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: She'd be a perfect match if you see the face.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: She's very cute, very attractive, but also in kind of
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: a natural girl next door, smart brunette way, like, but
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: aesthetically very cute.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and the.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Story starts out at first. You're like, okay, wow. Like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you confess this to him and he doesn't really, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: he doesn't let you go as a client or whatever.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: But then, you know, the more she gets into it,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: you know, these little innuendos are like.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is one of those times when
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: with whatever the job is, you're like, who would ever
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: be a doctor anymore?
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Who would ever want to be a police officer anymore?
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Who would ever want to be a therapist anymore? When
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: this is the shit that's out there. Like, you literally cannot...
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: do anything right. And so I'm guessing if he thought
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: about letting her go, Maybe he didn't realize it was
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: that serious, or maybe he thought, well, it's once a
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: month on Zoom, and if I let her go, that
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: can be an issue, like firing somebody who's on mid-medication.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know what was going through what he was doing,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: or maybe that's because he is kind of cute. Maybe
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: this has happened to him before. Oh, and then she's like,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I am so glad I didn't convert to Muslim for him.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: What? No one's asking you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Nobody's asking you.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Literally, no one.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: It is entertaining and maddening at points.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And funny as shit.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: And I hope and pray that the two of them
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: are in on this together and we all were scammed
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: and it's.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: A hoax like the boy in the balloon that flew away.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I have not seen that, but I'm waiting for my
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: son to come home and watch it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: No, I haven't watched it, but I remember that story.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's crazy when you get to an.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Age when like Every day, every week, there's a documentary
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: on a story that you lived through.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how do I know every story? But anyway,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that story, which was.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: That was wild.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I remember we were at Chelsea Lately. There is a documentary.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's called, it's under a series called Trainwreck.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Which is the one where we covered about the poop cruise.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I was on Storming Area 51. I actually stormed Area 51.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: So I was in the documentary.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So that's one of the episodes too.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: What was that like?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Very bizarre. Very disorganized. Incredibly bizarre. And why did you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: do it? I felt like it really was an internet
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: moment where a lot of people would gather. And there
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: were so, as you remember, there was just so much viral, like, lead.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: Up to it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Right. So then when you got there, did you have, like,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: camping gear? Or you were just supposed to be one night?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Or what did you do? Myself? Was it like a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: mini Burning Man? What was it?
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: It was like a mini Burning Man.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: But much more disorganized. I stayed with Andrea Lopez Comedy,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: who you've had on your show, the comedian. Yes. We're
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: dear friends. She used to co-host my podcast. We went
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: out there. We stayed probably about an hour away at
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: a little tiny town like these cabins. And then we
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: would drive in every day because we knew, like we
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: were hearing leading up to it, that the little alien,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: she had like two toilets. There was nothing out there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: So it was... They really thought there was a real
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: alien living there?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, they really thought we were going to storm Area 51.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: And people did.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Wait, so they really think the real aliens are living
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: there or their alien bodies are buried there? Both.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Both.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: They think that the government is, in Area 51, is
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: keeping alien UFOs and alien bodies. And so we all
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: went to the gate that morning. But, of course, I mean,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: there was so much law enforcement. They were so prepared.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I do think, like, a couple people ended up getting
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: past the gate. They were immediately arrested. But we saw
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: no aliens. All the people in Rachel, Nevada, which was
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: population 50, were like, we've lived here our whole lives.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: We haven't seen one green alien. And basically it was
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: just a party in the desert.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So what's the history of people... Who started the rumor
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of Area 51 then?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: The guy that's in the documentary was literally just like
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a basement video game player.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Which was basically the people that did the QAnon thing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Those are just two like weird dudes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: It is just that he was in his basement. He
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: was listening to an episode of Rogan with a guy
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: who was a former like military ops guy who was like, oh,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you should telling Joe, like you should see the stuff
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that they're doing at Area 51. Like they absolutely have
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: UFOs there, all this stuff. So this guy in his
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: basement listens to that, starts a Facebook event group and goes,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: they can't stop us all. We're storming Area 51 in September.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And who's with me? And then it just got like
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: a million views. follows like a million people rsvp'd.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: And then when you got the invite to go to
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the capital you're like i'm gonna pass.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Like i already did that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my god so i.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Was just featured on it so i love the series yes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: So anyway for people that i'm gonna watch it but
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: it was crazy because i remember we were like watching
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: it in the news it was like right up there
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: with the the girl from 25 years ago that fell
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: down the well and they she was okay jessica But
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: this was basically this guy said they had some big, like, fun, like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: balloon that looked like a UFO thing. And they were
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: playing around with it or they were building something. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: their little four-year-old child got in it and then it
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: flew away. And we really stopped flying. And it was like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: how are they going to get this? How are they
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: going to do it safely? There's a child in it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And then I do want to watch it because, anyway,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I can't remember how it got revealed. I want to
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: say the kid did interviews after.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Was that when it fell apart? I know.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Just say that this was like, well, it was that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: he was never in it.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: And they did this whole thing because the goal was
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: this guy wanted to have a family reality show, a
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: TV show. And this was how he thought he was
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: going to get, like, news. Now I do want to
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: watch it because I honestly don't remember what happened, where
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: they are. I'm guessing whoever he was married to at
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: the time of their divorce. That's going to be my
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: one prediction.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, all right. Yeah, I remember that. There's no way
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: a couple stays together after some stunt like this. Okay.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Also, very excited about this.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: TMZ is reporting that Aubrey Plaza will play Heidi Fleiss,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: the infamous madam from the late 90s, which is, if
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: you guys have followed me, you know one of my
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: favorite genres of anything is high-class hookers. Hooker lights, high-class hookers,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: streetwalkers from.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Eve Plum in Teenage.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Dawn portrait of a teenage hooker or whatever it is.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: I like anything that, I don't know.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I just, that's pretty fascinating.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And during the time that is how I got the,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: one of the titles of my book, which is you'll
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: never blue ball in this town again, because there was
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: a book, a famous book saying you'll never eat lunch
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: in this town again, which was about the industry and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: how you could get fucked over and blackballed in Hollywood.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Then from there, all these girls that, were a little
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: before Heidi Fleiss and some were after. Someone took their
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: stories and wrote a book in the late 90s called
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Still one of my favorite books. Oh, okay.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And then there was another book, You'll Never Nanny in
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: This Town Again. And so then I created You'll Never
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Blue Ball in This Town Again.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Just me just dry humping my.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Way through Hollywood Hills into the depths of the bowels
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: of the valley.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I went everywhere. It's worked. And so anyway, I was
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: always fascinated by her.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I was like, I, cause I was like, oh my God,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I feel like we were, you know, at certain same places.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I know. Did you ever meet her?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Did you ever? Cause I was obsessed with Heidi.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: So much adjacent, but did I ever meet her in person?
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say no, I had not, but I
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: always thought it was interesting. And she's kind of like masculine.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Like she wasn't very attractive. And then she had this
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: awful boyfriend that kind of got her into it. But
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: then she came from a, A very prestigious family in
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Los Feliz. Her dad was a highly recognized and famous doctor.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Obstetrician, I think, like was like Madonna's baby doctor. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: don't even know.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: But he was like and and then she yeah, then
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: she like dropped out of college and got a real
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: estate license. But then like, you know, it's either that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Real estate license or prostitute.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Or Hollywood Madam. It's literally.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: No, she stole.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: She started working for Alex, this old Jabba the Hutt
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: kind of a woman that just laid in her bed
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: and had an old Rodex. And there was a documentary
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: on her. And then Heidi was one of her girls.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: And she was like, this girl isn't that attractive, but whatever.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: She can still work for me. And then she got
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: sick and Heidi stole... all her contacts and then figured
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: out the formula of the kind of girl that she wanted,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: which was what we kind of see to now, which
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: is the, you know, what I like to call them
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: hooker lights, you know, yacht girls, whatever, girlfriend experience. that
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: they don't have to be, like, the most perfect body
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: or the most perfect tits or the most perfect face.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: It's got to be, like, but girl next door, truly, like, cute, thin, blonde, athletic, like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: go on the date wearing tennis shoes, don't, like, be in, like,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: high-class hooker shoes and all this kind of stuff. And
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I cannot wait for this movie. And then I guess
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: what she said, she won't be watching. She doesn't want
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: to relive her past.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Why not? And you know what?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Here's the bummer about this when you're a famous person
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: like her. Because after she got out of prison, because
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: she did go to prison, of course they never get
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: you on the trafficking just like P.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Diddy.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: They got her on a tax evasion thing. So she
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: does like four years. She comes out. She gets a facelift.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: She fills her lips, whatever. But then she goes out
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: and lives, like, near the bunny ranch. And, like, it's just, like,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: this lonely woman. And they did docs on her with, like,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: birds chirping everywhere. She had, like, all these birds.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, 45 birds. They'd just be these parrots, like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: all over her, crapping everywhere in this Vegas, little hut.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: You're like, what happened?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And you're just wondering, like, how dry and hot it is.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: And then— she was like, I'm going to do a
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: dude ranch. And I remember covering this story too back
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: in the day on Chelsea Lately. And I was like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: I just don't think this is going to work because
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: there's going to be a dude ranch for women, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: maybe she would allow guys.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: To come too.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: But it was mostly, it's supposed to be women that
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: just want to get fucked. But like, if a woman
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: wants to hire a man, it's going to be like the, again,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: acclaimed show on Showtime, Gigolo. Who, by the way, one
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: of those Gigolos was one of the guys that, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: player in the P Diddy world.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: He was one of the hired people.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's right.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: But you're going to want, like, I just want to
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: get like, if you're like a woman who has a
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: couple of bucks and she wants to get, have something,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: she's going to want more of an experience than just, Oh,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: my girlfriends and I are going to go to the
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: dude ranch and all get fucked in some gross bed.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: No, we're going to want to go out to dinner.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Have him like act like a boyfriend, do us hard
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: and then go and be discreet. Like that's what you
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: want as a woman. You're not like trying to get
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: a deal.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. At a level where you're going to pay someone
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to bone you.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You, because you don't have to pay you.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: The reason you'd be paying is for a really good
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: looking guy and discreteness because otherwise you could go anywhere
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: and And get somebody to come over.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So, anyway, it failed. It never happened.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: She was so ahead of her time. Don't you really?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: She really was, right? Like, don't you think? Now, why
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: isn't she running people's OnlyFans? Like, did she realize now?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Like, all her dreams. Because she's pretty old and all
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that is so technically driven.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: She doesn't know how to do any, like, websites.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, you lose four valuable years of, like, not knowing, like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: the inception of the iPhone.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, ugh. Yes.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think she would know how to do
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: it because her whole thing was, you know, now that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: what's so great about OnlyFans is that women are their
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: own pimps.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: They don't need to be or do anything, whatever.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: And her whole thing was, okay, I'm meeting, you're going
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: to meet this guy. And that's what made the book
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: so juicy. I never read the book. I just love
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: it because it's like, there's always this like, fantasy. Then
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: there'd be dark parts, but there were, there was also
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the good part of like, I always thought if I
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: was going to be a hooker, I just want to
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: be the one that's like, um, you know, just goes
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: to a dinner and talks to them, you know, like, yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Because it would, it, but then, then even in my twenties,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: when I'd go on dates just to eat, I'd be like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: oh my God, it's not worth it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Like you're so annoying.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: But at the time when I was younger, I was like, oh,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: to get all dressed up and go to like a
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: fancy dinner and you know, fly like pretty woman.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And this is like, right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: All this came crashing down right after pretty woman came out,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: which is such an unbelievable movie. When you think about that,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: he's just picking up this girl off the street that
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: just had like a dirty dick in her mouth.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And he's like, Oh yeah, let's hang out like for
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the next week and a half. And I'll buy your
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: brown polka dot dress.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, come on. Like, it's like, But that's
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: what it is. And so you think, like, oh, this
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: could happen. And so it was always like, could you
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: marry the John that, like, you know, hires you and
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: then just falls in love with you?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: No, that's never going to happen. It's never going to happen.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: In the book, did she ever really name names? Aside
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: from Charlie Sheen. I mean, we know Charlie Sheen was, like,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: you know, a regular.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I can't. I feel like she never really. There was
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a couple of these, like.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Pockmarked actors that like were around, but it wasn't, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: want to say, no, she didn't just like a Ghislaine.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: She really didn't.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: And there was always a question because they were getting
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: her on like a tax thing. If she would have
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: turned over her black book, would they have cut a
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: deal with her? And I don't really know the answer
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: to that when you're dealing with like the federal government.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's even like a choice.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: And, um.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sure she was paid a lot of money to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: burn that book. Cause I feel like to this day,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: we've never really gotten, you know, like you said, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: think there's been a few Hollywood actors that were like leaked.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And now it's like, come clean with it all. Cause
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: who cares? Probably half of them are dead. Like, oh,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: it was Jack Nicholson. Shocker. Of course it was. Like
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: who cares who it is? You know what I mean?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Like at this point.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: And the other thing about it is the younger generation,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: there's nothing that can shock them. They don't care who's
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: on OnlyFans, who had a sex tape. They're like, who
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: cares that Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee had.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Their tapes stolen? Like, all right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Like they don't get why it's like, because their whole
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: life is on the internet.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: So to them, they're like, why does anyone care about privacy?
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Come clean. Come clean. Maybe the movie will have more.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I think she's a great match, like look-wise and everything.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And she's a great actress. And Heidi was kind of
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: like dry and funny. So I think it can be
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: really great.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: How are you feeling?
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: We got our last episode of The Valley tonight reunion.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: What are your general thoughts on this second season?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Love The Valley. Got into it season two. Find it refreshing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Find it different than our Housewives franchise because some of
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the franchises I've found are harder to watch now. I've
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: given up.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: We're going to touch on that in a minute of
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: why you may have given up.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: So I like it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to be curious to see who's
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: let go. You know, obviously there's lots of rumors. Sheena's
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: going to be joining season three. I mean, is Lala back?
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: There was even like Sandoval.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: There's rumors of Lala and Schwartz. The three of them. Okay, Schwartz.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: And so I'm curious to see who's going. Like, is
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Janet gone? Like, are they gone?
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I want to say I cannot predict. Because I don't know.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Because Janet and Jason and Nia and....
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: And Danny, that's where the drama and all that is.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: So I don't know why you would get rid of
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: any of those people. Can they, you know, like it's
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: so weird when like a housewife goes, you know, the
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: show's about conflict and resolve. And I'm like, that's not
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: what the show was about when it started. It was never,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: would you like to join a show about conflict and resolve?
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: It's like, no, it's about your life and your friendships
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: and your relationships and living your life and your aspirations
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: in LA. Like, I don't, so it's like, I don't,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I hate that it's gotten in this weird pattern of that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And it's always like, we, we fought. Can we move
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: past it? It's like, it's kind of exhausting.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: And I know everybody wanted Jax gone, but I mean,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Jax is like the reason.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: This is everything. It's everything.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: It's everything.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: So it's the most juicy, fascinating thing I've ever seen
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: on TV of watching a true narcissistic man who cheated
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: and did drugs, but, in his heart, sees himself as
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: the best dad in the world and a great guy.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: And it's like he's sharing it all.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: We're seeing it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I know, finally, right? After years.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: I feel like, I said this, it could be triggering
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: for people that date someone like him, but I think
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: it could also be weirdly like healing to go like,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: oh wait, like I get it now. Or when you
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: find someone like that, you like understand it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Because it's like the case study of Jax. I, yes.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Like I am, I'm torn about him not coming back
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: to season three because I'm really like how many women,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: like your listeners, I bet there are so many that
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: are divorced from Jax Taylor types where like you can't
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: ever really get rid of them. I mean, no matter what,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: they're still blaming you for, I mean, he blames Brittany
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: for everything. It's just like, How many women, I feel
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: like so many women can relate and don't you want
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: to follow what happens next?
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Well, listen, he is going to stay in his son's
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: life and so I believe that he was probably making
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of money because he was one of the creators.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: He put the cast together. He knew Nia and Danny.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: He knew Jesse.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: You know, he knew all those people and he was
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: trying to get this going.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: For like years even before he got kicked off the Valley.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: So I think He was making a lot of money
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: as a cast member, and they always want to screw
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: people over and not pay him. And they had a
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: legit reason not to once the ring camera of the
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Rosebushes was evidence.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: This is all me guessing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: And so then this way, they got rid of their
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: highest paid person, and they come off being moral, like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: we never did it with James.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Now we're doing it here. Like, respect us. Okay, fair enough.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And then... But just like a Dorinda, I'm on pause.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: He's on pause and he could come back at any
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: time and he will. It's Cruz's birthday. It's Ocean's birthday.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to come. Okay, let's give Jackson another chance.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: And they'll all say yeah because they're like, we know
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: this will be good for the show.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And then he'll just get paid whatever.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Several thousand for the day. Several thousand for the day.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: And just like the Luann that did that, if he
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: brings something interesting and they keep bringing him back, then
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: there's that chance that he can get himself back on there.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: But by leaving, he'll never, in my opinion, make the
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: salary that he once did. And I think that is
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: what Bravo was doing to him. But they did the
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: classic firing where they're like, so we.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Know that you you know what's best for you. And,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you know, like he probably probably in his head thinks
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: he quit, but he didn't quit.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be so fascinated to see what's next. Obviously,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: they split their podcast. You know, he says he makes
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: a million dollars a year podcasting. I'm not sure if
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I believe that. But, you know, I mean, and then
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: the bar is gone. And now, you know, I really
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: felt like.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I said if he gets rid of the
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: podcast or the podcast ends it with him, then I
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: will be convinced that he's doing it so that when
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: they go to court, he shows zero income.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then maybe he'll inch his way back.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: But right now he does still have the podcast, but
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that's probably because there's a contract and the way it
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: works is you sell ads per quarter of the year.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: So we'll see where the podcast is, I think, come...
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: January or something, but I think he launched his own
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: one like in spring.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: So I went there.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: It'd be a year schedule.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, you know, if, if people, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: don't know how much, I don't know who's listening to it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Cause I don't think guys who are also narcissists are like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: you know what I'd like to hear about is more
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: fucked up men like myself because they don't see themselves
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: as fucked up. So who, He's going to listen to
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: him cracking the code of that you dated an asshole.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. But we'll see.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: And what's he going to do? Recap? You know, Valley
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: season three.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, just like Rachel did. Rachel Raquel. Now he
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: can go join her and do sound baths.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I actually want to go try one of those just
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: to see, like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: That's who I want doing my sound bath. And I'd
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: like you to meet my partner. Her name is Kendra.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: And she's going to talk about when she went to
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: therapy with her, fell in love with her psychiatrist.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: We got to get Kendra, Raquel. Who else? Can you imagine?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I would not be surprised if they are being contacted
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: to do some.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Kind of- Well, get the resa tisa, too. Get the,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: you know, who did I marry?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: And they can all just come and just talk about
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: their fucked up people and lives.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So, okay. So- Yeah, I mean, I kind of feel
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: like Jasmine might go.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: But then Jasmine adds a different element in that, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: she's now engaged, which I think is strategic on her part.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Not that she doesn't want to get married, but if
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: you say, and you could have the wedding at, And
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: you know what? And to think that they don't even
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: pay for the wedding.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Like the production. They still have to pay for their wedding. Sure,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: With all the cameras there. I mean, maybe you get
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: a deal here or there. Maybe, I think the venue,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: because they're filming, they'll cover the venue. But they still
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: have to pay for the food. I mean, the Jack's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Britney wedding was so expensive for them in Kentucky.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. And so.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: So that could be interesting. But I mean, I just
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: feel like we haven't seen a lot of her and
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: her girlfriend. So I don't know that. I think that
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: would be an easy cut if they're looking to cut somebody.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: But or they might just make her. I don't know
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: if she's a regular, but they might make her like
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: a friend. We got to keep Snarky, Zach.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Love, love. And of course, Kristen, you know, we want.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: To keep her.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I don't know. Maybe they'll just keep everybody.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But Jax, as you know, is out.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And then– Sheena and Brock come in, do you think?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Definitely.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Because everyone wants to see what that's like once the
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: whole world knows that your man cheated and are they
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: doing okay.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And hopefully they are or we'll see.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: So Tom Sandoval said that he– is ready to quit
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: reality TV altogether. He and Tom Sandoval on the extras
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: did America's Got Talent and.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Pretty great performance.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I feel like you asked, have I seen it? I've
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: only seen it on, um, you know, clips, but I've
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: always thought like, you know, I mean, I get it,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: you know, Jesse's girl and the same karaoke songs that
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: he does a lot, but he does sound pretty good.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: So if that's a fun time for you.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I've seen him live.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Where did you go?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Um, Here in Hollywood.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Maybe on Sunset.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: It wasn't the infamous night that Ariana took his phone
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: and found it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: That'll be the next talk that you're on.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: It's just everywhere. It's like the Forrest Gump of like,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and I was there.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I'm always in the background.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: No, it was somewhere on Sunset. Schwartzy was there. James
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Kennedy was there. I mean, maybe this was when they were...
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: when they were filming the final season. Anyhow, to your point, they're,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: they're surprisingly good. And the band is like nine people
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: deep or something, you know? I mean, it's a little
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: bit of like a step up from a wedding singer band. And,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he plays some songs about, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: himself being a loser or cheater and he kind of like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: he's like self-deprecating. He does, like, it's like, I don't know, like, uh,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: and then he does, you know, Schwartzy's mom has got
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: it going on and everybody goes crazy.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I think, um, I predict he's in real estate class
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: You do? A hundred percent. Oh, I feel like wedding
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: singer for sure. Like I think they're going to try
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: and do a Vegas stint, but then I think they'll
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: perform for your corporate.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Okay. So how old is he now? Like 42 or something?
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: By the time he's 47, he will have a real
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: estate license. He's going to try to do this for
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: a couple more years for fun. And, um, but he
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: should start taking the online classes and then he can, um,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: be on a show with the selling sunset girls or
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: something and start screwing some of them.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't know where you go.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Like I, it's true.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: It's a hard thing when 20 years of your life
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: has been spent doing, being yourself and having cameras follow you.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: You are entertaining, but it's not It's it isn't really
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: a career.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: You're not. I mean, he can act. So he has
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: done some acting stuff.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: So I still feel like there's going to be these
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: things he can't. But he really can, like, carry a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: tune and everything. So we'll see if they can get
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: enough stuff going on, then maybe he'll stick with that. OK,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Larsa Pippen's face stopped the world in its tracks this weekend.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: And she then, it was really puffy, really crazy. We
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: know they just filmed the reunion of Miami this past
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: weekend or a couple of days ago. So I was like, well,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: what is it going to look like on the reunion?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: And then she took to Instagram with a very heavy filter.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: However, she looked better.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: And she's like, this is my face. You see me
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: on TV. I don't, I feel like that was altered.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I did have an allergic reaction to a PCP.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Like some laser or something? But this is, you know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: you'll see me at the reunion and I look fine. So,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just she's one of those people that
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: looks so, so different than when the show started. And
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: if you will, you know, when she did it like
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: nine years ago, she already had a nose job and
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: then she got another one that kind of took like
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: her unique, like, like narrow nose to be more of like.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. Kim Kardashian knows.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: And then with the lips and then the filler, the
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: excessive filler in the jawline is what like makes her unreal.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Like I just wonder.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: You can see the filler. Like you can actually see
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: it under the cheekbone, not the cheekbone, but the skin.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: It's just, I love plastic surgery. I'm all for it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I cannot wait to have my mini facelift. But it's
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: just like I pray like I don't become addicted. I
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: just want to look fresh.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: You won't. You won't.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: But I think with her, I think being friends with
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: her Kardashians and she got like her ass and I.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Don't even know.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I don't even care enough. But part of me wants
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: to go back to like when she had her original face.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, they look so good. Did she talk like Kim?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: The way she talks and the hair and like.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Did she, was her, I mean, I think she's a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: great addition to the show because of the plastic surgery
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: in the ass and her dating these young basketball players
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: and being married to, divorced from Scottie Pippen.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, she's good on the reality show. She knows how
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: to turn it up.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: And it must be hard, like, to now be in
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: this cycle of, like, filling your face all the time
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: and where do you go from there?
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: It is kind of fascinating. Speaking of which.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I know you're not watching Miami that much, but I've
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: talked about it. And Leah, who is the soon-to-be wife,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: maybe they're just engaged, I don't know if they got married,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: but of Captain Sandy.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: They shared some video of the famous night they were
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: on this boat, this three-day trip together where Gertie said
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: she was kicked, not.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Invited to the dinner. And this is the night. This
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: is the night that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Gertie was left trying to find a table for one
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: and she wasn't even on the list. And she got
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: very mad because she wasn't even supposed to go. And
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Julia begged her to go and then was like, well,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I'm having dinner with Captain Sandy and
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: there's not room for you. So that's where their fight started.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: But they were all having super fun. And I'm like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: I've said it before. She invited Gertie. Gertie annoyed her.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: And then she was like, I want to be with
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: my hot lesbian friends. And I don't want to deal
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: with Gertie anymore.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: She's too much.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: And that's what she did. And that's what started all this, like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: war on the show.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: But who knows?
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Now, how do you feel about the controversy? So Julia
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: was on Watch What Happens Live this past week. And Martina,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: her wife, who is 68 years old and a famous
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: tennis player, and had tweeted. When the tweet first made
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: it to my attention, I thought it was from like
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: 20 years ago.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, real recent, Heather.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: It was real recent. And it was something.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: It was like an article.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: It was like surrogacy is not. Well, it was like
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: she basically was like, I'm against surrogacy.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that it?
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Like, OK, this is the thing I feel like most
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: people don't read into this, but she retweets an article
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: about from a UK author that is examining women who
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: become surrogates in the UK. And basically the article is
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: just saying, like, whether it's egg donor, IVF, whether it's surrogacy,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: nobody publishes the downsides of these things that, you know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: of course, you know, if you carry six kids like,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: you know, you might have, you know, like. no bladder, right?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, stuff happens. So basically saying that
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: when these women go in, it's a lot of money
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: to become a surrogate or an egg donor, but they're
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: really not warned about all the downside of this thing.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: So that's where she then tweets and goes, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I don't believe in surrogacy. Sometimes you got to kind
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: of let things go. It's like the better, the gist
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: of it, right?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're explaining it well. Yeah.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: So she's really commenting on this article. Now, every country's different, right?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: So some of the practices in the United States, I'm
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: currently pregnant with an egg donor, you know, using an
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: egg donor.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: You look great.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I have to wear something very flowing to
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable. But, you know, they have standards. Most if
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: you go to an egg bank, the women can only
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: donate like a maximum of five times. And even from that,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Half of the eggs are not going to survive the
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: thaw anyway. So maybe they're having 10 children max, right?
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: And can I ask how you chose your egg?
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, you basically go to a portal. We got
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: recommended to an egg donor bank.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: So did you use your husband's sperm?
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Husband's sperm.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Egg donor egg. And it's like a real kind of
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: catalog you go through.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: So did you look for someone that was similar to you?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I actually looked for someone as a child that looked
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: similar to my son.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, you already have a child?
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I have a little boy, four. Yes.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Okay, great. And so that one you had naturally?
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: That's what I had naturally. I gave birth to him
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: at 39. And then basically since 40, I've had three miscarriages,
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: just like tons of genetic issues. And essentially the doctors
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: have said, look, this is just your egg quality. You
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: have to move on. You've already carried a child. So
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I've always been open to how my family was going
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: to come. So we did an egg donor and But
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: you scroll like on an iPad through a catalog. And they,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: you know, it's very detailed.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I remember back in the day when egg donning was
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: still something. And I remember being in Newport on a
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: weekend and I was looking at these ads for egg donors.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And it was like, we're looking.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: For a girl this tall and brown hair and an
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: SAT score over this.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, you can customize.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: And I did have that SAT score.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: And I remember I was like, Oh my God, what
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: if I, what if I was desperate for money? And
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: then I was like, Oh my God, I'll be so
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: jealous if my child gets to live in fucking Newport.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like sweating in the Valley. Like I was
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: always like, but you like that? Like I always, and
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: then I, and then when my.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Sister was going through fertility stuff and she was able to, um,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: give birth and carry her own genetic children. But there
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: was a time where it was like, what, maybe the,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: the pregnancies aren't lasting because of the egg quality.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: No.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: And then they said, um, The doctor said, well, you know,
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: you know, if you wanted to talk to your sister,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: meaning me, the child then would be 25% your DNA
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: if you got from a sister. And I was like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you know, I wonder, we didn't, she
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: didn't really ask me. I was just wondering, like, I
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: was just kind of like, I wonder if that would,
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: if I would do it. My dad's like, no, that's
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: fucking weird. And then I was writing white chicks at
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: the time, so I asked the guys, the Waynes, and
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: they said in a second they'd give their brother their
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: sperm or whatever, if that was a thing, not a
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: big deal. And then I was always like, oh, my God,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: what if I was to do that? And it was
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: before I had my own children. And then my sister's child,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: who's technically mine, is like the winner, like the total winner,
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: you know, because I come from one of five and
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: it was quite an array of success.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you run the gamut. Yeah, okay. And I was like,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: oh my God, what if she got like my one
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: good egg?
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: And then I'm sitting at like my nephew's college graduation or,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: you know, medical school graduation, something really like, like he's
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: a super brainiac or whatever.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, He's not really my nephew. He's my son.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: And I was always like, had all these like jokes
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: about it. I was like, what if like my sister
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: was to like, and I was like, Hey, can you
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: like pick me up at the airport?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: She's like, actually I can't. I'm like, okay, you wouldn't
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: be a mother if it wasn't for me, but whatever.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I'll take it over. Like, how do you, so.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I was, I remember my sister saying, well,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: if I was to do it, you know, they, they
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: had these women that, you know, like you had these eggs,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: but then I went back to her and I said,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: if you want my egg, You know, you know the
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: qualities I have, but you also know the qualities I
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: don't have.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: I don't like reading directions. I'm the last picked on
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: every athletic team. I am not super organized, but I
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: don't have any genetic problems.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I'm a pretty good time.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: You're obviously very smart with a high SAT score.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And, you know, that's it. But like you, I was like,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: you could probably do better.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: They could probably find a better person, a better egg
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: if we're looking at like how well they did in
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: like science class or something.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: You'd be so good though. It's great. Like the egg
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: donor bank really kind of gave me inspiration because it's
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of nurses like that work in the OBGYN IVF.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: So they've seen these women struggle. So they do it. And, like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: once you're in the IVF world, you realize it's not
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: as invasive as you think. Like, the IVF process, especially
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: when you're young, is, like, two weeks of giving yourself shots.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: You get all these eggs. It's kind of like Twilight.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: They put you under. They harvest the eggs, which sounds, like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: worse than it is. But it's really not that big
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: of a deal. And the egg donor we picked, she
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: already had two kids. And she worked in nursing. And
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: she's like, I've just seen people struggle. And I know
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to have any more children. So, like,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: here are my eggs.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Now, is there ever a weird.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: thing in that you are a personality and she knows
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: you and do you.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Know they never know you so they never and you
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: never know their name they assign them a number so
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: it's like zero zero six seven right is your donor
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: and so you don't know their names you know like
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: very extensive about their mental health um any like you
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: know genetic issues cancers um Down syndrome and any sort
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: of thing. Right. They have to disclose all that. They
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: do a very rigorous vetting. And it was great. I mean,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: the first donor I picked, I really like because she
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm doing this for the money. I've done
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: cocaine twice. You know, most of them say they don't
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: do drugs. And you're like, come on. I mean, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: you drink multiple times a week and you're smoking pot. Like,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, just say it. So I really liked her
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: because she was like, you know, I smoke pot twice
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: a month. I've done cocaine twice. I was like, okay,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: this is like a girl I can appreciate. So she
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: was like my first choice, but then you got to
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: buy like eight eggs to get a good one. So
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I think she only had like four eggs left. So
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: she was kind of out. I'm like, I need her
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: to get, and they were like, well, we can ask
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: her if she wants to do another cycle. I'm like, no,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: that'll take too long.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I'll move on.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: So moved on to the woman that was a nurse
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: that was like, I'm doing this for the better good
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: or whatever. They're all doing it for the money. I mean,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: the money is so good now. You get like at
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: least $ 15, 000 a cycle.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like the money to give the egg
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: is a lot better than if you're going to adjust
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: it about time and everything than the average surrogate gets.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: If you figure you're actually carrying this child... it's by
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: the hour, it's like barely minimum wage. But then you're
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: doing other things and I get it. Some women really
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: like being pregnant. They love giving birth. They don't have
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: a problem with it. All that kind of stuff. So anyway,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: so she got herself in a pickle by discussing that,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: being that they also just adopted these brothers, these little brothers,
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: who are like three and like one and a half.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: So what's interesting is they go out to dinner on
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: the last episode and the new girl, Stephanie, is like, Oh,
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: my God, and congratulations on expanding your family. How old
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: will you be when they graduate from high school? She
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: says that to Martina.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Who, by the way, would be like 88. Yeah, Martina's like,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I'm 68. And she's like, oh, and Julia's like, I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: thought you were 67.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: She's like, no, I'm 68. And he's like, oh, are
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: you going to teach them tennis?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: She's like, no.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: If they want to play tennis, then I'll hire somebody.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: And then if not, then maybe eventually I'll oversee it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: But, you know, no.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: And then Julia's like, so we're going to Spain. And
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: then Martina's like, oh, I'd love to go to Spain.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: She's like, no, you have to be on babysitting duty.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: And you just know Martina was like, I don't know.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: You're just like, it's very weird.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know how I don't feel great that they're
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: showing these kids right off the bat that were probably
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: in foster care or something.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: And I wonder like whoever their parent is. that lost
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: legal custody or chose to give up legal custody, are
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: they having to flick on their TV and possibly see
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: their kids? That could be really hard.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: And then she goes on to say, Julia, right now
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: we're not talking to either one of my daughters because
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: the daughters are like these 20-somethings because.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: They weren't aware that we were adopting and they're.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Just like a little shocked by it or like whatever.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: And so, I mean, all of that makes the show
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: kind of interesting. But it put Julie in a weird
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: position with Andy. Because, of course, Andy, you know, as
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: a single father, has, you know, very... And he's always
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: very respectful about women and their bodies and how they,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: you know, whatever they're going through. He seems like he's more, like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: aware and not just like, ha, ha, ha, you get
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: your period.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: You know, like, he gets it. Like, he gets it,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: which is nice. And so.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: You know, but then that says a lot.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Because it's like, well, then how could a gay man
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: ever have a biological child without the use of donor
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: eggs and a surrogate? So anyway, Julia's like, well, I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: don't share the sentiment of my wife.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. We'll see where they are.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: But I truly feel like it was more around the article.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: People really missed that part. You know, look, I feel
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: like you're the same.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: So many times these things are true. Like I was like,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: what did she say? So then speaking of which, this
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: is crazy. This is a mystery of the L.A.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Mansion filled with surrogate children.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I talked I think I talked about this on here.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: But there is this this this there was a raid
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: in that this older Asian couple had all these children
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: like as many as 15 under two and then several
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: older ones.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: So they were all under two.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: And the reason they had 15 kids under two is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: because they had different surrogates carrying their biological children. And
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: then they were told, oh, this is, you know, a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: woman who has one child at home and they want
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: to expand their family. And so they're like, okay, great.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: And so the kids have been, the reason they even
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: came is one of the children went to the hospital
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: and they felt there was abuse.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: So then in doing that, then they send over the authorities.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: And that's when they discovered that there's all these children
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: and some of them were living there and some were
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: living in other places. And the people were not arrested.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: They just, all the kids are in foster care. And
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: it is a concern when you think about it. There
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: was a family also in Russia, some Russian billionaire, I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: remember I covered the story a while ago, that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Was doing the same thing. He and his wife had like, you.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Know, 12 kids, like under six.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: And they had several.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: Going at the same time.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Remember when JoJo Siwa said she wanted to do that?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Remember when she was a lesbian? I can't keep up.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: She's like, I'm going to have triplets.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to name them Mandy, Candy, and Sandy.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: And they're going to be triplets because they're going to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: have three different surrogates giving birth at the same time.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: And everyone's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Now she's straight. I love her. I know. I know.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: You've got better day besides I want to tell you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: I love you.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I do think she's cute, though. I do think she
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: has the cutest little face.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: She's so great at just hacking the internet, right? Isn't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: she just the best thing to hate on? I mean,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: she doesn't care. Your impressions are so good.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: I don't hate her, though, because she has, like, the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: best nose.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: She just is so fucking cute. She just is endless.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I love it. Anyway. This story is so strange. This
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: story is crazy, and I really want to get to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: the bottom of it. Yeah, because I think they're selling
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: those kids. And I think it's something that... And then
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, how could this happen? This is sick.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: What.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: what fertility clinic is, is allowing this to happen. They
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: own the fertility clinic.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: This is very dark. They own the surrogacy center. So
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I truly believe that the women that were involved in being,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: having the embryo transfer and giving birth, they really had
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: no way of knowing because they were just like, okay,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I'll do this. Or they went on, you know, they
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: weren't like going, well now where's the LLC of this surrogacy?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, how are they supposed to know, you know?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Something is so dark about this. This couple, whatever is
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: going on with these kids. I mean, and you know,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: like how many kids?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: And the man is like 63 and she's like 49. Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: And you wonder how long has this so-called clinic been open?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: And where are these other kids? You know, there is
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: something very, very dark.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: But there were 15 under two. So weird.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Speaking of weird. So Todd Chrisley, the show is coming back. And,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: you know, Chrisley knows best. And he goes on Candy's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: podcast of Real Housewives of Atlanta. And she's like, I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: just have to ask you, Todd, you know, during all this,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: there was this business partner of yours that really was
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: the one that like turned on them and spilled the beans.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: And they still feel like they were innocent and set
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: up and whatever. And now, of course, they're out of prison. He,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: you know, there was accounts that he said that that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: you guys had sex. And he's like, well, I'll tell
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: you what happened. I was with Julie and my lawyer
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: called and he's like, I need you to come into
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: the office. I have something to tell you. And I said, well,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: I'm in the car, you know, just tell me now.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: And he's like, well, are you with Julie? And he's like,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: of course I'm with Julie. You know, she's the hottest
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: woman alive.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: And he.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Said, well, I'd rather, I need to tell you alone.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: And he goes, there is nothing that you can't That
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: you can't tell me in front of Julie. Julie knows everything.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: And then he said, well, this man is saying that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: you had sex. And then Candy's like, and that it
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: was a one-time thing? It was a one-time thing. And
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: I said, well, if I'd have fucked him once, he
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: would have been back for seconds.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: He goes on, he's like. And if I want to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: suck a dick, I'd suck the biggest dick. I'd suck.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: He adds that. You're like, what is that?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Now I feel like it could be a Kendra.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: I feel like if I fell in love with a psychiatrist,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: like now you know that the more gay shit that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: you say is what's keeping us intrigued.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I think so too.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: You don't care. You're not denying it anymore.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: Whether he's ever done a gay thing or not, he
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: knows that's the sound bites.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: That's the trigger points. That's what everyone wants to talk
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: and joke about. That clearly when he's like, he goes,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: when I walked out of prison and I saw Julie
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: with her gray hair, I say, I wanted to run
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: back to my friends in prison. I was not attracted
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: to you. And she's like, what?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Like, You can tell she's heartbroken. This poor woman just
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: looks like a captive. I mean, just, you know, it's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: so sad to see Julie. I actually think Julie has remorse. But, like,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: he's not even on that plane. I mean, you know, he's, like,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: absolutely not. And she's too, like, I just feel like
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: she's too in it too deep now to get away
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: from him. So she just goes along with him sitting
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: there talking about it.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: But it's just such a weird thing to say. Because
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, let's just analyze this for a minute, okay?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: This is the R-rated part of the show. So he's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: saying if I— so meaning he would have been the top
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: and it would have been so great that the guy
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: would have come back?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Because it wouldn't have been the other way around, right?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Because otherwise, unless you're like a power bottom, what is
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: he saying? It just seemed like such a weird— Right.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. We're not denying.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: We're not saying yes. We're just talking about— yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I— I mean, it's so, like, it's like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: this little guy. By the way, I think his old
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: business partner's name is Mark or something, who's a realtor
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: down in Florida, who's also married and has two kids.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: You know, looks gay as a goose as well. And
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: so he's like, you know what I mean, right? And,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like, Mark just made this up
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: out of it. Like, Mark wants this heat and, like,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: smoke on his family, so he comes out of nowhere
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: to tell, like, the government that he slept with Todd Chrisley.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, of course they had an affair.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I do feel like, though, I do. feel like there's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: got to be more people that say that they were
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: with him. But I also feel like there's probably a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: lot of gay Christian men that do have sex with
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: their wife and they just don't act on it.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe they watch gay porn. Maybe they masturbate. But maybe
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: they don't ever physically, like, get with somebody else. Which
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: is like the business partner mark.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Remember the staircase guy? Oh, that show. Yes. With basically him.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: That was so good. And he was.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: you know, it turned out that he was gay. And
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: he was like, no, my second wife knew. And she
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: had no problem with it. And her sisters were like, ah, no.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: She didn't.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: She had no problem with it.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: No, she was not like, oh, it's okay that you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: brought a hooker to our house. A male hooker to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: our house. Like, oh, my God. Because they always said
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: in that, the staircase, that she.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: went to her computer, saw that he was corresponding with
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: a gay male hooker who had already come to the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: house and they made plans for, and then from there
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: she confronted him and then he killed her.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And he says, no, she got drunk and fell down
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: the stairs.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: So that is one of the greatest stories, greatest documentaries, greatest,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: longest murder mystery ever. But basically he was Todd Chrisley.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: in the way he spoke and acted and everything.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, it'll be interesting, like you said, to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: see if any prisoners come out with stories. And to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: your point, I think he picked the business partner, Mark,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: who is married with two grown sons. I mean, you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: it's like, that guy's not gonna.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: I do think he's funny and he's smart.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: Oh, he is.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: He's entertaining. Super entertaining.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think people in prison, whether they got
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: physical with him or not, probably were completely entertained by him.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, sure, yeah.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: This came out of, this is Kate and John Gosling.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Kate and John plus eight. They had eight kids. And
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: one of the sextuplets, one of the boys, Colin, when
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: he was like 12, she had.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: The custody because they got divorced.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: And she said he was very misbehaved and really had
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: a bunch of issues and sent him away.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: He is now 21, I think, or is he 18, 18, 21?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're somewhere around there.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: And he is on TikTok. And he is.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Doing kind of an open letter video to say he
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: misses his seven siblings.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: And he has no relationship with them and would like to.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: And I just think that's so sad.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: And I really hope that they can connect as adults now,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: regardless of what they went through. And he wrote, forced apart,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: pitted against each other. Colin captioned the post, all the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: fame and money in the world. But what about the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: kids being kids? And then he wrote, forced to do
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: it alone and wonder every day what our lives could
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: have looked like.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: So sad.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, regardless of being on TV, he may have
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: had issues. And it might have been a real challenge
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: for her.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: And the kids may have remembered him being alone. I
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: always think when you'd see those like Dr. Phil's or whatever, or,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: you know, back in the day where one child was
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: like physically abusive to another child and people were like, well,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: we had to get divorced.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: We had to separate. We didn't know what we were
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: going to do. How do we protect our younger child?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: And there's people that didn't even get to that level
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: that will, as adults, will be like, every time my
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: brother walked behind me, I'd be like this, you know? Like,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are things where you like look back
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: as a kid and you're like, I was fucking like,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: this was a nightmare. So I, I don't know, you know, what,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's a more to the story, but I,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: but more importantly, if you're one of these adult children now,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: like why not try.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: To meet him?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: Because you're physically, you're not going to be, even if
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: you were, even if you're scared of him at 10,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: like you're not.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Going to be now.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I know that that's a family where you still want
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: to know so much about the inner dynamics. And I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: was just telling you only about two weeks ago, Kate
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Gosling was, has now joined TikTok. And she's doing all the,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: get ready with me, her protein shake breakfast. If her clients,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: you know, she's a nurse. She's like a pediatric nurse. So,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: you know, if people recognize her.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Well, she has to. She's got to do something to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: make some money, right? Got to work.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: She openly talks about, her kids will film her, but
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: they refuse to be on her TikTok. So she just
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: features herself in a new puppy, like the dog that's
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: in there. And, you know, she just still has that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: like awful personality. She's like, hi guys.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: It's Kate.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: And it's just like this awful, like bitch face. And
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: she'll go into her, you know, this is what I'm
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: making for lunch. And it's just like, welcome back. So
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: is it, but you feel so bad. And then John
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Gosling came out this week and he says that, you know,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: he's been on TikTok for a minute, but the moment
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Kate launched her TikTok, she instantly blocked him on TikTok.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: So we can't see it. It's so sad, right? I mean,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: all for what now that none of them have any
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: of the money to show for it. And, uh, I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: don't think, I don't know. There's always been rumors they'll
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: be back.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: I just feel like reality stars are just so disposable.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: But then the fame is still always there. It's just
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: really hard. Real Housewives of OC, how are you feeling
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: about the season?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I like it. I think it's a return to a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: little bit of the OG. I am a Gretchen fan.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: I like having her back. I'm not sure if it's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: like the splash so far I was anticipating, but I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: still like her in the mix with Tamara.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: And, no, I like it. I mean, I can't say
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: it's like.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: There's a riveting. We've seen so little of Slade.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Very little of Slade.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That is crazy. Well, how do you feel
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: about Emily, I'll have an espresso martini! God. Can't believe
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: they put that in her tagline. I'll tell you what's
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: going on. Well, the latest is... Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: You go.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: You go.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: So the latest with this is that Gina went on
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Watch Hums Live... And it came up how hypocritical it
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: was for Emily to be so mad at Katie because
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: her daughter babysat the twins and said that the twins
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: came home and said that Heather's mean to their mom, Emily,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: and Emily didn't want to be on Heather's bad side.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: So according to Gina, Heather Dubrow went to Emily before
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: the reunion and said, by the way, or gave her
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: information about The fact that the reason Katie doesn't have
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: custody of her kids or why or question why doesn't
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: she have custody of her kids? And which is really
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: cruel and really unfair. And honestly, one of the more
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: selfless if more parents in a divorce would do that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: selfless thing and be like, fine. You know, like the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: kids can live with you. I'm going to, you know,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: be there and visit.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: We don't know what her situation was. We don't know
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: if it was abusive.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: We don't know what the financial situation, like nobody knows.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: And we shouldn't have to know that why there's minors.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: But like, anyway, so she says that it was Heather.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: So she says it on Watchman's Life. And then Heather responds.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: Let's set the record straight. First of all, I don't
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: do research. I do not research anyone. That's not my M.O.,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: I do not have time or interest to try to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: dig something up on other people. For the reunion last year,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: there was a lot of stories in the media circling
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: about Katie, and some of us were sending them to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: each other because it was overwhelming and crazy. I did,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: in fact, send an article about Katie's custody to Emily.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: I did nothing more than that, and I would never
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: have brought this up at the reunion.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, Lisa Vanderpump.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: I actually went up to Katie during the commercial break
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: and said to her, that must have been a very
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: difficult time for you. Sure, after it was all exposed.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry you had to go through that. I never
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: would have brought this up. Kids and careers are off limits.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Careers? Your career is being a housewife.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Like, there is no other career. You're not acting, Heather.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: And Emily's not a lawyer, okay?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: She was a party planner. Like, you know, and I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: don't know what.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: what uh gina's real estate life is really okay so
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: anyway not really sure why gina chose to include this
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: response but it on the show or make it sound
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: salacious now we all know yeah they all get that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: they all get that stuff they all get it sent
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: to them they all know what they all talked about
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: it goes back from the book who brought the book
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: of daniel staub to the salon or whatever. And then
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: it all, who did it? And it's like, we all
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: did it. We all talked about it. We found it
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: at the library. We all were like, are you talking, like,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: it's been the beginning of time of Real Housewives history
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: that this happens. But it's, it was Emily's choice to
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: bring it up.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: So yes, do I think, but of course, Heather was
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: happy to dig up some dirt and share it because
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: she still claims it. That she didn't call the paparazzi.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: She's not lying. She didn't call the paparazzi. But someone did. Right.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: For her. Sure. You know, like. In her camp.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: I know how it works.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on. I mean, I have.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: You've been in this town a long time.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm coming out of taping a show and they're there. Okay.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: They know that I'm doing the show because someone told
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: them I'm doing the show.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, come on. Yeah, I know.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: And you go to Craig's because you're coming out and
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: you know TMZ will be there.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: But, you know, the Disneyland and all that.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: So she probably said, yeah, like probably someone said to Katie, yeah,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: those people get called.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: They're not. waiting around outside of.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: A Costa Mesa grocery store to take photos of Bronwyn
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: after her third lesbian wedding.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Remember that?
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: Where she was constantly being caught. I'm like, nobody is
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: You could call them on yourselves. You could have your
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: person call them. Kyle Richards, I'm sure, calls them when
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: she was out with Morgan.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Like, come on.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: They're not just hanging around Ventura Boulevard with their camera.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: They're not. It's like, So she was still mad about that, though.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: She was like, I'm not lying. I didn't call them
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: and tell them I was going to be on Space
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Mountain at two o'clock.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: But I might have told my publicist. Who knows what
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: the truth is? But I thought it was so awful.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, and I just feel like this season is
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: too much of the Real Housewives of blackmailing.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: And it just feels so.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: You do.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: You think it's too dirty.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: There's nothing fun. I don't think there's like nothing like
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: fun with them. It's just it's so much about. you
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: did this and said this.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: And then I don't know. And it's like a yes.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: And I think Heather's afraid of Tamra.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: Fuck.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: I'm afraid of Tamra. Who isn't afraid of Tamra? It's
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: fucking scary.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she is scary.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, she's the one that said to, to,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: to Vicky on the couch, you know, you called me
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: after our night in Cabo and said, there's a naked
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: guy next to me.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about Tamra? Like, clearly that happened. Like,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: that fucking happened.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're afraid of Tamron.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: What friend you imagine you have a wild night.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: With who you think is your best friend and your
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: best friend knows you're in a shit marriage and you
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: call her and you're like, fuck, let's.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Take it to the grave.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: And then a year and a half later, you're on
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: a couch at a reunion for all of your kids
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: and everybody to see and she brings up the fact
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: that you made out with another person while you're married
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: or had sex. Think about how fucked up that is.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: And then she'll, and then it'll be, well, hurt people,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: hurt people. I hate that expression. Or, well, she said
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: this about me. I know, but it's also gross. Like
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: it's also gross that like friendships end. And I think
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: the grossest thing that happens when a friendship ends, whether
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: it's on a reality show or in real life is when,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: especially girls, And then that girlfriend that you shared that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: thing with.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: I know, brings it up, uses it against you.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: Brings it up, tells people, like, can we just have
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: a civil divorce? Can we just say that no matter
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: what happens, we're not going to do this? And it's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: just like, I just, I mean, to think that the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: three of them a year and a half ago were
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: at the Irvine Improv going, where are that trace of me?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: It goes, ha, ha, like. I know, and now. And
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: they all hate each other now.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: After all those years of friendship. It's like 60 years old.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: It's all you've written through.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: It's just so, ugh. But I'm still watching. I know.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: I am too.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: I really love, I like Jen Pedantry. I want to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: see this like Ryan bikini wedding.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: I like her. I like that storyline.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I think that storyline is good.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: I like it too. I think it is interesting.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: And I think the whole, I think that whole thing
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: is interesting. And then, you know, and it's like, Seth
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: Tam was like, get Shannon off the show.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: She has a storyline. She's boring. What is Tamara's storyline?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Just that her friend is sick. And before that, Eddie
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: was sick. And before that, Simon was sick. I mean,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: it's sad, but she's had a lot of sick people
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: in her life, and....
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: And then you should leave her alone because these people
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: close to her are sick.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: There's so many.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Things I still want to know about Gretchen. Did Gretchen
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: get a lot of money from the guy that she
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: was sort of the sugar daddy?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that you bring that up.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: And sad. That's first.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: And he died. That was terrible. The thing that goes
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: so far back with Tamara and Gretchen is you went
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: to Bass Lake. It was bringing up the fact that
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: she wasn't 24-7 a nursemaid for this older guy. I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: think she got some money. I don't think it was
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: an enormous amount.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: In and around then, she.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: Was dating somebody else, allegedly. She always said she wasn't
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: dating him. And that guy went to Tamara, allegedly, and
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: gave evidence that they were together in a romantic way
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: when he was still.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Alive, Jeff. Then there was the thing, the dirty. Remember
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: the dirty? What was the dirty? The dirty was... Before
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: the internet went crazy.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: Nick Ritchie had this website where guys, angry men, basically
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: would send basically revenge porn and talk about their ex-girlfriends
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: and people would write awful things about it. It started
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: in Scottsdale and then it went over and it would
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: just reveal awful things about their exes and it would
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: go crazy on the dirty. So this guy sent Selesa's
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: pictures of Gretchen.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Out.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: And she, at one point, it's my understanding, she did
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: sue him and she did win.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Years later. But it went on forever.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: I've forgotten all this.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: However, it's on the show.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: The photos are on the show in a past episode
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: because I saw somebody showing it and here were the photos.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Oh. The dirty.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe that Bravo shows these photos.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: This is from the episodes of the repeats that are
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: on Peacock.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: And then this is what Tamara would make fun of is.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: That one of the dildo things had a cord or
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: a vibrator you had to plug it in.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: That's how long ago it was.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: Didn't have a USB charger.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: So that's where the hatred and shit goes. Okay, we're
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: going to wrap it up because you are a Sister
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Wives expert. We know that Cody is going to do
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: special forces and there's already rumors that there's some good
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: fights with him and other people. Where do you think
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: we're going to end or continue with Sister Wives?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I think about this way too much because...
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Part of me, you know, the rumor is that season 20,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: which will be out this fall, is it. You know,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: because he doesn't have sister wives anymore. He's in love
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: with Robin. He's declared he doesn't want to be a
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: polygamist anymore. They've moved into this $ 2 million mansion in Flagstaff, Arizona.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Wait, they have a new home now?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, they got rid of the McMansion that you've seen
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: for years. They bought a $ 2 million, you know, over
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: $ 2 million home. They've moved into that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Coyote Pass is sold. They did sell it, all the pieces.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: Sold for like $ 1.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: 3 million, $ 1.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: 2 million.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Gone.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: It might even have been more than that. But anyhow,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Coyote Pass is done.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: What is the show? I mean, are we going to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: just follow these women? They all live in different parts
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: of the country. You know, Mary's in Parowan, Utah. Christine's
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: in Utah, but doesn't isn't friendly at all with Mary.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Janelle moved with her daughter to North Carolina.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think there is a show.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: A lot of people think it's over. I mean, unless
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: they're like hating on, I mean, I like them all.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: I just, yeah, the dynamic was, you know, who's getting
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: special treatment from Cody for 20 years.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: And without that, I don't know.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Well, and the kids, I mean, the kids are like
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: John and K plus eight kids. None of them want
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: to be on TV anymore. Some of them make appearances,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: but they don't. I mean, that would be the show, right?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: If like the kids were willing to be on because
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: they're all there.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: But they're all in different places. So they have all
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: different like film crews following them.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they have financially if they want to do it.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Maybe it still is so cheap that I mean, I
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: always said that it must be the most poorly paid
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: people on reality TV because they never seem to have
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: like a pot to piss in. They'd have like the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: paper plate parties and like. And then, like, they couldn't
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: afford to, like, ever, like, lay down some pipes at
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: Coyote Pass for, like, five years.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are they getting paid?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Well, the rumor was the past couple seasons.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: The only person that seems to be poorer than them
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: is Gina of OC. I'm like, Gina's been on the
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: show for five years. She must be getting child support.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: She has a full-time job, you know, trying to sell
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: houses as a realtor. She's on the show. She does
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: sponsorships and brands. Yet, I just read in Reality Blurb
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: that she now lives.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: How much do we think she's making? $ 253, 000?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: She and the guy, Travis, they rent. They rent a house.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: It's $ 8, 000 a month rent. So that's $ 4, 000.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: That's a mortgage, right?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: But still, but I mean, they're renting.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, so it's like her mortgage is $ 4, 000 each.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: She keeps talking about how awful the ex-wife is on TV.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that's probably not helping the situation, but I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: get it. I just am like, why has Gina's life
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: not improved at all?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Like, why are we like, I mean, talk about minimum wage.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Can we get a fair wage for these fucking reality
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: show people? Like, what is this?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: We need Bethany's reality reckoning after all. I mean, you know,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: how much is Gina really making?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: God, I mean, it's by five.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: But I always thought by like year five or six
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: is when you finally were making like 500,000, 600,000. I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: always feel like the most that I ever heard was
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: Candy got like two or one five.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: But I know that Tamara and Vicky at one point
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: were getting like over a million. And Teresa, right?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, all these years, Teresa's got to have made
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: a ton of money.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: I just am like, God, like, I saw Gina and
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Emily did a show in L.A., but then I never
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: saw any photos of it.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, did it happen? They're doing like a
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: live show with espresso martinis.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Did anyone go to that?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: What about Emily just like lifting up her skirt? Hit
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: my ass.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: She did have a good ass, though, don't you think?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: I know, but it's just kind of weird.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: But it was, yeah. No, she's ready. She's on the
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Ozempic and she's ready to show that body. I know
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: she says she doesn't do it anymore. She like, it
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: kickstarted her.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Well, people go back and forth. Who cares? Yeah, right, right.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Jelly roll.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: You don't think Jelly Roll is down to, what's he
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: down to?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: He's down to 200 pounds.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: From 540 to three something. Yeah. Okay. You think Jelly
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Roll's on the Ozempic?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Of course. I mean, come on. You don't lose weight
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: like that from walking. That's what he says.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: He says he walks way out from the tour bus
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: to the venue.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's that or a gastric sleeve or both
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And who cares? It's all good. It's all healthy.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, it's. I mean, come on.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Well, Bunny's always so transparent.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: Remember when Star Jones said it was like from Pilates and.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Like walking her dog?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know. Just say it's from fucking Ozempic.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: I know. And the sleeve. Star Jones was, back then,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: that was gastric.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: The sleeve.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens with Sister Wives. We will.
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  Speaker 3: It is going to end from what Mary Brown has
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  Speaker 3: told us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the hint. She did my podcast. I know.
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  Speaker 3: I loved your Christine Brown interview. You had such a
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: good one. But she said when she was on my show.
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  Speaker 2: About a year ago. You don't think Mary's gay? It's
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: too bad she's not.
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  Speaker 3: No, that would be great if she was. That'd be
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: a good storyline.
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  Speaker 2: I know. She's very hot for a man. Yeah, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like it.
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  Speaker 3: Super hot for a man. So I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of stopped watching it because basically we, I
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: have a very hard time figuring out where things are
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: playing on my TV.
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  Speaker 2: It's just. It's over.
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  Speaker 5: Look.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: I know there's, yeah, it's just so hard to find things.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, where is the streamer? What's it on?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: And at my old. TV situation. I knew exactly where
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: And then once Peter changed the TV one more time,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: I just could never find it again.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: And it's like watching paint dry.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: But it is the boringest thing. But there was a
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: weird comfort. Whenever they would go and wear their puffy
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: jackets and skinny jeans to Coyote Pass, it was comforting.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: When they'd sit down and Mary would be like, look
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: at the mountain. And then once that didn't happen, once
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: it changed, I just kind of was like.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people are with you. I mean,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: I feel like the last couple of seasons have been
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: the most interesting, like the women leaving him, finally calling
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: him out, you know, basically confessing it was all about
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Robin from the get-go. And then, I mean, you know,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: it was so tragic this past season, but they did
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: a great job, you know, really memorializing Garrison and everything
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: that happened there. So it is still compelling.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Well, Sarah, it was really fun. I'm really glad you came.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you for all the compliments. I did not.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: I did not pay you for that.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: No, you didn't. You didn't. And tell everybody where they
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: can get more of you and your show and everything.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: The Sarah Frazier Show. I put out an episode every day.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: I do pop culture. I cover a lot of TLC stuff.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Welcome to Plathville is a popular show that's out with these,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of Christian cult, you know, family that's
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: completely imploded. They had 11 kids. So none of the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: kids could watch TV. Now they're all drinking. The mom
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: was arrested for a DUI. It's really fun to watch.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: So it's a daily, you know, pop culture show everywhere
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  Speaker 3: you get your podcasts. And truly, thank you. I could
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: talk about you forever. So I'm very grateful.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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