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Football at Four: Is it Just a Malaise for the Eagles Offense or Can it Get Better? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ninety seven to three.
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  Speaker 3: Just hungry to bring back another Lombardi to Philly.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher is here today.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk a little Birds with him as they get
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  Speaker 2: ready to take on the Los Angeles Chargers. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a tricky matchup. The Chargers very
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  Speaker 2: good team, very good defense, much like Philadelphia. Offensive line
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  Speaker 2: issues have contributed to their demise in terms of record.
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  Speaker 2: The records not where they really want it to be.
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  Speaker 2: But because the offensive line has been such a problem
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  Speaker 2: for the Chargers, that's why they're kind of in the
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  Speaker 2: spot there. And if their offensive line was better, this
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  Speaker 2: team would be significantly better. They have some weapons, their
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  Speaker 2: defense is very good and if you look at this matchup,
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  Speaker 2: it is a tricky one for Philadelphia. They're going on
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  Speaker 2: the road. Obviously, things have not gone all that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we've chronicled that a lot over the last you know,
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  Speaker 2: seventy two hours or so with this team. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles are a slight favorite on the road. The
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  Speaker 2: game app actually opened at Eagles minus one and a half.
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  Speaker 2: It's two and a half now at certain books. So
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  Speaker 2: people are betting the Eagles in this game. Right now.
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  Speaker 2: They are thirteen and two against the spread when the
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  Speaker 2: line is between three plus three and minus three under
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  Speaker 2: Nick Siriani. So close games on the road, there's a
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  Speaker 2: good spot for Philadelphia. Four straight Eagles games have gone
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  Speaker 2: under the total, by the way, when you look at
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  Speaker 2: how bad their offense has been. But let's get into
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  Speaker 2: it right now. Jeff Moscher's here from the Inside the
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  Speaker 2: Birds podcast and of course Football at four. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we all know that the troubles of this offense, Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: we heard from Kevin Patullo today unfortunately had to get
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  Speaker 2: asked about his house getting egged, which was part of
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  Speaker 2: the press conference there. But you know, do you have
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  Speaker 2: any belief or faith that this offense is turning the
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  Speaker 2: corner or will not that it is turning, or that
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  Speaker 2: he can turn the corner? And that you know they're
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  Speaker 2: just going through that malaise of a season and this
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  Speaker 2: is that time where you just don't look all that good.
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  Speaker 3: That's a tough question.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think three to four weeks ago I
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  Speaker 4: stopped thinking that the run game was gonna just magically
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  Speaker 4: appear out of nowhere. I mean, I think it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: clear that they are not just all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 4: They may have a game like they sort of did
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  Speaker 4: a I guess against the Giants that second game.
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  Speaker 3: They may have a game where the run game.
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  Speaker 4: Really kicks into gear, but I'm not sure that they're
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  Speaker 4: going to have the run game anywhere near that they
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  Speaker 4: did last year. And to me, without that, I can't
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  Speaker 4: see this offense getting that much better.
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  Speaker 3: Could they have an explode.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, they go out against the Chargers and hit a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of what do you call them shot plays, because
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  Speaker 4: that's what they do and take advantage.
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  Speaker 3: And my concern would be.
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  Speaker 4: That everybody would think that they're all they're back on track,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and they are great things are wonderful, great
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  Speaker 4: grand and then you know they're not.
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  Speaker 3: But I you know, that's really it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that run game is coming back, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that's going to be a real detriment for
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  Speaker 4: where they're what their long term objective is.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see Hard Knocks at all last night?
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  Speaker 3: Snippets? I did not. I was watching you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a Yukon guy. I was watching Yukon Kansas.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a there's a moment early where he's talking
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  Speaker 2: to Brandon Graham and Graham says the run games about
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  Speaker 2: to blow up, like it's we're getting close, and Sirianni says,
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  Speaker 2: I agree, just keep doing what we do. When you
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  Speaker 2: hear that, like you can you contextualize why they're having
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  Speaker 2: so many problems because they believe in what they do,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not getting the results.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that.
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  Speaker 4: Must be the real frustrating part. I always feel like
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  Speaker 4: coaches are somewhat cursed.
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  Speaker 3: By their own victos. Yes, so every coach I've just.
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  Speaker 2: Like Andy Reid, believed it was his offense and not
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  Speaker 2: the guys in it. That you can just put in
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  Speaker 2: Todd Pinkson and James Thrash and it would work.
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  Speaker 3: To an extent. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think every coach I've ever been around, professionally, college whatever,
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  Speaker 4: who's successful. Tell you, and you've heard Nick serian and
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  Speaker 4: say it too, is that when things aren't working, you don't.
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  Speaker 4: You don't question the things by results. You question the process.
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  Speaker 4: And if you believe in your process and your process
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  Speaker 4: has given you results, then you don't abandon it. Which
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  Speaker 4: is a good thing for coaches because you know, like
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  Speaker 4: fans and us or media, like we get very knee
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  Speaker 4: jerk and if something goes wrong, like you know, the
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  Speaker 4: Rams just lost to the Panthers, so they have to
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  Speaker 4: go change everything. Now, they have three wacky turnovers that
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  Speaker 4: very rarely happen to them, So you just have to
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  Speaker 4: believe that was just one of those things.
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  Speaker 3: But on the same the flames by the same token.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's been thirteen weeks now and they have
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  Speaker 4: not been offensively very good and they haven't ran the
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  Speaker 4: ball very well, and so what they have to do
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  Speaker 4: is try to find that balance of how do they
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  Speaker 4: make it better without completely changing what they do.
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  Speaker 3: And I know fans get really annoyed.
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  Speaker 4: They see the same offense, the same concepts, the same things.
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  Speaker 4: There have been changes, you know, we've talked about going
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  Speaker 4: under center, we've talked about things like that. There have
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  Speaker 4: been you know, differences in this offense to try to
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  Speaker 4: resurrect it, but they're not going to make wholesale radical changes.
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  Speaker 4: They're just going to expect that at some point the
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  Speaker 4: process is going to work out, and if it doesn't,
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  Speaker 4: then the personnel gets changed, not the philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: And they don't really have the personnel changes to make here, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's other than like we talked about a
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  Speaker 2: little bit on Monday if you want, like, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: could throw in Bigsby and mix that up and show
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  Speaker 2: a little different look in the run game. But they
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  Speaker 2: just don't have like that glaring change that everyone's like,
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  Speaker 2: why aren't you doing this? Like why are you like
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  Speaker 2: why aren't you just sitting aj Brown? Like that's what's
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  Speaker 2: happening here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like a two hundred million dollar offense or
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  Speaker 4: something like that. They got the guys that have gotten
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  Speaker 4: them there. There are not personnel changes, huge personnel major
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  Speaker 4: ones like you're saying. You know, we've been calling for
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  Speaker 4: more Camlatu all year long because he's a good blocker
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  Speaker 4: as a fullback of a tight end, and you know
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  Speaker 4: a lot of us have been saying, why are you
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  Speaker 4: putting grank kal Katara out there?
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  Speaker 3: Continuing he's not even a big part of the passing game. Anymore.
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  Speaker 4: He used to be like, you know, kaw Katara would
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  Speaker 4: give you two to three to four catches per game
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  Speaker 4: just to you know when God it was out or
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  Speaker 4: even as just like a compliment.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not even getting that.
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  Speaker 4: So what is the point of continuously putting Grant Kalkata
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  Speaker 4: out there when you know that he cannot block the
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  Speaker 4: way cam lots can, right?
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  Speaker 2: And you know if that would help your run game,
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  Speaker 2: Like you want to be a running team, that's who
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  Speaker 2: you want to be, Why wouldn't you take that shot
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  Speaker 2: to say, you know what, let's get a guy at
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  Speaker 2: tight end who can help spring some of these you know,
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  Speaker 2: blocking schemes that could help us out a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big, you know thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a little thing that could turn into a big
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  Speaker 2: help for them.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, And I think another help would be to lessen
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  Speaker 4: the penalties.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to know just how bad it's
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  Speaker 3: gotten for the Eagles with penalties over the years.
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  Speaker 4: On Friday, I believe inside the data will come out
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  Speaker 4: on Inside the Birds with Sam Finkel and he did
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  Speaker 4: a little analyticals deep dive into the number of penalties
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  Speaker 4: for the Eagles, not just this year, but in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Two, three or four years, and.
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  Speaker 4: You'll see some really alarming trends, not only in their penalties,
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  Speaker 4: but how they compare to the rest of the league.
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  Speaker 4: And honestly, penalties penalties is one of two things. It's
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  Speaker 4: either coaching right from a discipline standpoint, or it's talent.
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  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of people have always blamed penalties
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  Speaker 4: on coaching, and I've said it's also talent because if
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  Speaker 4: you have defensive holding, if you have DPIs, if you
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  Speaker 4: have those kind of penalty, the subjective more type defensive penalties,
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  Speaker 4: that's because you usually have players aren't very good at
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  Speaker 4: covering players, right, But in this case, they have a
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  Speaker 4: ton of pre snap penalties, about a third of them.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not talent, that's you know, discipline, that's just
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  Speaker 4: not false starting, not a legal formation, not having a
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  Speaker 4: lining up incorrectly, you know if you're a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the kind of stuff that really Nick Sirianni
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  Speaker 4: and his staff have to look in the mirror and rectify.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've killed them this year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh listen, And but you just mentioned about the Rams
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  Speaker 2: having a couple of you know, fumbles in those are
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  Speaker 2: things that are hurting Philadelphia right now, fumbles, turnovers, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hurts with an interception, hurts with a fumble on the tush, push,
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  Speaker 2: you had the punt return fumble last week. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you've had some uncharacteristic things kind of rear their ugly.
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  Speaker 2: So can I look at that and say, hey, this
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  Speaker 2: is uncharacteristic of them and I shouldn't foresee that continuing here?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I might pick the Eagles to beat
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  Speaker 4: the Chargers next week. I've been thinking about it. I
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  Speaker 4: think that they can certainly win that game. The only
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  Speaker 4: issue is is that the Chargers with good defense or
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  Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna run the ball, they're gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Play ball possession.
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  Speaker 4: As a defense, can you hold the Chargers under twenty
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  Speaker 4: then you can probably win the game. But because you're
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  Speaker 4: probably not going to get more than twenty four out
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  Speaker 4: of the Eagles, so that that's the only thing that
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  Speaker 4: you look for and say, it isn't.
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  Speaker 3: Fluky like the turnovers that they've had recently.
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  Speaker 4: It's just that they don't score a lot of points,
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  Speaker 4: and they haven't really for a while. So now you're
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  Speaker 4: asking your defense, which is getting on the field a
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  Speaker 4: whole lot, to make a whole.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of stops and play at a high level.
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  Speaker 4: And that's tough because you heard today Jalen Carter's dealing
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  Speaker 4: with the shoulder injury. You know, they're probably gonna wind
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  Speaker 4: up starting Marcus EPs at safety. You know, they're just
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  Speaker 4: they've got a lot of little things going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's because Bangio spoke today as well, and he was
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  Speaker 2: kind of candid in certainly he didn't think he did
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  Speaker 2: a good job. He talked about technique and some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that we and you talked about on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Uh that Sidney Brown, Yeah, not not good, Like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of guys weren't good. He kind of admitted that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of guys did not play well in that game.
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  Speaker 2: And he did say Jalen Carter, but Marcus EPs. He
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  Speaker 2: was asked about him he was the twenty one day practice.
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  Speaker 2: He essentially said, yes, he will not only be ready
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  Speaker 2: to play, it sounds like he will play.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I would think so.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, they have to see how he he.
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  Speaker 4: As long as he's in practice this week and doing
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  Speaker 4: a good job and shows he can handle it, he'll play.
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  Speaker 4: Because he was the number three safety ahead of Sidney
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  Speaker 4: Brown before he got hurt. So now he'll have to
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  Speaker 4: be the number two safety because Kuba is hurt. As
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  Speaker 4: long as he's healthy and ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, because he was getting he was getting snaps
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  Speaker 2: ahead of Sidney Brown beforehand, before you know, before he
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  Speaker 2: ended up getting hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you know.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things that I I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: as a as a person who's covered the sport for
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  Speaker 4: twenty years, I have a pretty good understanding of when
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  Speaker 4: coaches and players explain certain breakdowns of how they can
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  Speaker 4: occur right. Sometimes fans don't want to hear it, and
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  Speaker 4: I get that, but I feel like just I have
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  Speaker 4: an understanding even though I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Play professional football myself. But the one thing that really
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  Speaker 3: I don't get as much, and.
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  Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna have to try to ask more questions
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  Speaker 4: is and I think people think this too, is that, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you see that.
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  Speaker 3: The Bears run a ton of outside zone, that's what
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  Speaker 3: they normally do.
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  Speaker 4: You notice after a while that you are you are
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  Speaker 4: not defending it properly, You're defending it horizontally, which is
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  Speaker 4: what they want you to do. You're getting taken from
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  Speaker 4: a ride out of gaps and then getting.
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  Speaker 3: Killed in the cutback.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta think that Clint hurt is telling them on
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  Speaker 4: the sideline that this is happening, that the defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 4: is telling them it's happening. And to watch it happen
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  Speaker 4: from opening kick to the end of the game, just
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  Speaker 4: like the Atlanta game last year, is mind boggling to me.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like.
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  Speaker 3: You get caught in a trap that you can't get
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  Speaker 3: out of.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't understand why they can't get out of
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  Speaker 4: that when you got all this technology on the sidelines
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  Speaker 4: showing you what they're doing and what you're doing as
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  Speaker 4: a result, you get what I'm saying, Like, that's the
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  Speaker 4: one thing that doesn't compete with me, Like how you
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  Speaker 4: can't adjust when it's happening to you in real time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know it's funny, and you know, fans
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  Speaker 2: love blaming the coaches, and sometimes we just take for
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  Speaker 2: granted that are you telling me that these coaches can't
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  Speaker 2: see what we think. I have a hard time with
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  Speaker 2: that when you're around the game every single day and
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  Speaker 2: you sleep there and you watch stuff that if Joe
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  Speaker 2: and Fishtown on the couch can make a stupid observation
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  Speaker 2: that the guys coaching in the game and the moment
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  Speaker 2: can't see that observation. So sometimes that's why I tend
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  Speaker 2: to look at the players a lot more than the coaches.
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  Speaker 2: Or that's big of idiots, Like you know, that's a
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  Speaker 2: profession where you got to put a lot of Now,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's the battle of attrition that you just out
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  Speaker 2: grind other people and because of it, you end up
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  Speaker 2: getting a spot that maybe you're not good enough for.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that if you coach at that level, it's because
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  Speaker 2: you have really put your time in to be it's
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  Speaker 2: so detail oriented, and we always want to blame, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, for penalties. Sometimes you're like, that's an undisciplined team,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, how did.
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  Speaker 1: The coach force you to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, Like because he didn't
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  Speaker 2: have you run he didn't have you run gassers in practice,
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  Speaker 2: because you may like I don't. Sometimes it just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: compute for me because listen, you coach and you do
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  Speaker 2: things over and over and over and over, and then
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  Speaker 2: you're like, dude, we practice that all the time.
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  Speaker 3: How do you not get this right right?
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  Speaker 4: Like, you know, take the third and eight play that
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  Speaker 4: DeVante Smith and Jillen Hurts, and you know, we know
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  Speaker 4: and we know that Jalen Hurts made a bad throw.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't anything to do with DeVante Smith, and certainly
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  Speaker 4: Dallas Goddard was not.
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  Speaker 3: Once you saw the defensive.
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  Speaker 4: Look, you realize Dallas got it was not.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be a part of the play. He's got
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  Speaker 3: to get the ball out immediately in the first riek.
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  Speaker 3: If you saw what he said right on the sidelide,
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  Speaker 3: he messed up. He took accountability.
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  Speaker 4: I guarantee you if they were in that xact same
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  Speaker 4: spot ten plays later and Chicago showed the same exact defense,
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  Speaker 4: He's going to at least do his best to put
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  Speaker 4: the ball where he's in the right place that time,
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  Speaker 4: because he you know, he has the technology, He sees it.
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  Speaker 3: He admits the issue.
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  Speaker 4: So that's why I'm so confused to him why the
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  Speaker 4: defensive line just could not stop getting taken for a ride.
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  Speaker 4: And then I think that I think that that probably
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  Speaker 4: means that they're discrediting how good the Chicago Bears offensive
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  Speaker 4: line manhandled him, And to me that's more alarming. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because they were really manhandled.
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  Speaker 2: They got out physical upfront, no question about it. And look,
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  Speaker 2: that's one area where the Bears have a really good
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  Speaker 2: offensive line and they can kind of do what they
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  Speaker 2: want to do in the run game. Your offensive line
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  Speaker 2: is struggling, You're struggling to do things in the run game.
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  Speaker 2: And you saw it unfold right there. And it's one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why this game is interesting because the
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  Speaker 2: Chargers really has struggled with their offensive line. Because if
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line is healthy, they are a very very
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  Speaker 2: dangerous teams.
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  Speaker 4: The Chargers, Yes, And the weird thing is it's not
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  Speaker 4: gonna be healthy because they've lost both of their offensive
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  Speaker 4: tackles for the year, Shawn Slater and all.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's really too bad they have.
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  Speaker 4: They've been a team that is up and down a
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  Speaker 4: little bit like the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: So it's I mean, I think the Eagles are actually
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: favorite if I last check.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've talked about the lineman all,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: but I thought I saw that the Eagles were actually
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: favorites to win this game.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: So it opened at one and a half, it's up
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to two and a half.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they can certainly win this game, and
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: they don't have to play a perfect game either, So
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: they got to play a good game, but I gotta
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: think this week went through six to win the game.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I do think, Jeff, that this game is kind of
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: a a scene setter for the rest of the season here,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: like if you find that you get back on track
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: against this Charger team, which is just they're a good defense,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: they're a good team because you got the Raiders the
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: following week, and if you can't handle the Raider, the
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Raider game feels like that Arizona game almost a couple
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: of years ago, where you're like, ah, they played the Cardinals,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: they'll get back on track, and the Cardinals just gashed
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: them this game here, though, if you lose this game
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: and you're on a three game skid, you're questioning yourself,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: who the heck knows what could happen against the Raiders,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you what. Watching The Hard Knocks, the
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: one thing I took from that last night is that
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Washington kind of feels like we're getting healthy. Like this
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: season has been disastrous for us. Quinn at one point
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: during the show said, Oh my god, I can't believe
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: how many guys are a practice like this is unbelievable.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Like there's McLaurin has only played four games, and here,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like all these guys were coming back. They
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: went to the NFC Championship game this year, they lost
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: to Philadelphia. You don't think they would love to be
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the spoiler. And you have to play then twice in
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a three week span not ideal. So I think this
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: game is very important for you to kind of get
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: your confidence because if you go into that Raider game
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: three in a row having to answer all these questions,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: who knows what happens against that team?
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know, you know how things are here
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: with what we saw last.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: If the Eagles go out to LA and beat the Chargers,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: you know, something like you know, who knows twenty six
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, seventeen, everybody's gonna be back on and say, oh,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: they found it or this or that, and it will
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: be an important win for everything that you said.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: But I won't let it cloud what I think of
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: this team. Honestly, I think people do that way too much.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: They go on what they see last.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: So just like I don't think that because they've lost
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: two in a row that they can't beat the Chargers.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I think they can beat the Chargers. But I think
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: that the identity of this.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Team has shown itself now through thirteen weeks, and it's
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: going to be a struggle.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It'll be a real struggle no matter who they play.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think the Commanders aren't laying down.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I think that Bills game everybody thought might mean nothing
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season because people thought both
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: teams might have the number one seed wrapped up. Well,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: that ain't gonna be the case. And the Eagles got
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of competition here down the stretch. I mean,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: the Eagles are competing with not only the Bears, right
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: who just kicked them out of the top spot, not
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: only the the Rams who are in the second spot,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: but I mean the Seahawks are there right there, like
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: if they wind up winning the West, and so, by
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: the way, so all the forty nine ers, they're right
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: all right there.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Whoever wins the West could get the second seed. The
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Packers are hot again.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: You know, they figured out some offensive issues and they're
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: getting Jayden Reid back. I assume if not this week,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: then next week. You know, like they're competing with a
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: lot of different teams here.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Well, the Irony games very important.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And the Irony is the one team that beat you
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the Bears is now the one team that could be
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the biggest one in play for the tie bringer. You
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: beat the Rams, You've beat the Packers, you beat the Lions.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: The Lions are now in the dust. It's the Bears
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: game that turned out to me maybe be the biggest
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: one of all the teams that you beat. That's the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: one you didn't and it might be the one that
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: cost you possibly the one seed, and who knows what more.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But it's gonna be a crazy I'll tell you this.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but Dallas plays Thursday against
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the Lions. I think that Lions team is done. I
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: think they're cooked.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Losing Terry and Arnold for the rest of the year hurts.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, they always fight, they're they're not a team
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: that lays down, So it'll.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Be a just don't know that they have any more
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: fight left in them. Man, they have been beaten and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: battered and all the stuff, and then the coach just
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: keeps going on fourth down and they keep done. I mean,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's just gonna catch up to them.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Now if the Cowboys, by the way, win that game,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: putting a little pressure on the Eagles, and the Eagles.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Don't win in La whole Boy.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, that's that's what I'm getting, because that
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: means they would essentially be almost tied with you one
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: lass win but the same amount of losses. They played
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the Chargers the following week, yep. And then after that,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I mean they play minut Minnesota, Washington, and I get Washington.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I think is a tricky game for everybody because they
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: kind of think that they belong and then you play
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the Giants. Dallas has a schedule that they can manage
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and get through it. I think anyway, it's putting in
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of pressure. It's very interesting here, very good, well,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: all right man, Monday, we will preview the matchup with
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the Chargers and look at some of the matchups that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: stand out to Jeff Moscher, and of course we'll be
• 20:29
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• 20:33
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• 20:35
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• 20:39
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Pal, all right, my friend, take care.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: All right there he is Jeff Moscher from the Inside
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of the Birds podcast. You can check that out on
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: all podcasting platforms.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Coming up at five.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: O'clock tonight, Mike Missonellie he's got a new podcast he
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: wants to tell everybody about. He's going to join me
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: here and we'll get Mike's thoughts on where this team is.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Where are they going to? Does it feel similar to
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three? I listen, it's not the same as
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three because that team's defense was a mess.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: It's the same in terms of it's eerily starting to
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: get out of control. You had such a big lead,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Dallas was done. Now they're playing better, they're starting to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: come back. At that point, they passed you. You ended
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: up going to a little wild card and then he
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: got beaten the first round against Tampa Bay. Are we
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: there yet? Jeff just broke it down. If Philadelphia loses
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: this week and Dallas wins, you're essentially tied with four
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: games left to go. Think about that, four games left
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to go, You're about tied, all right? Coming up, Q
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Myers is back here on the Sports Bass Live ninety
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: seven to three ESPN. As we go around the NFL.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: We'll get his perspective from the outside looking in at
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the Birds.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Coming up next,