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Steve Beanland: Hunting the Killers of Silk and Miller · Real Crime with Adam Shand

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  Speaker 1: Appoche production Welcome to Real Crime with Adam shand I'm
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  Speaker 1: Your Host Adam Shand. The murders of Victorian police Rod
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  Speaker 1: Miller and Gary Silk in August nineteen ninety eight defined
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  Speaker 1: the careers of a generation of officers. Just like the
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  Speaker 1: killing of Neil Thompson and Madam de Vat HoTT Art
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  Speaker 1: by Dessi Freeman in twenty twenty five, the cold blooded
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  Speaker 1: execution of Silk and Miller brought home the mortal dangers
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  Speaker 1: inherent in the job. For many, the job was never
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  Speaker 1: the same after that. Armed Robbery Squad Detective Sergeant Steve
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  Speaker 1: Beenland loved his role catching crooks and serving victims of
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  Speaker 1: crime and the community, but the murders of Silk and
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  Speaker 1: Miller marked a turning point in a twenty five year career.
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  Speaker 2: Beanman was a member of the.
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  Speaker 1: Lori Matask Force that, after three years of intensive investigation,
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  Speaker 1: charged Vandali Debs and Jason Roberts with the murders. Benlan
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  Speaker 1: was featured in the telemovie of the incident Underbelly Files
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  Speaker 1: Tell Them Lucifer was Here. From that triumph and recognition,
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  Speaker 1: Beenland struggled with his mental health in the years after
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  Speaker 1: Lorimer until he left the force under a cloud in
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  Speaker 1: twenty eleven. It's been a hard road to recovery. And
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  Speaker 1: now Steve wants to tell that story in a book
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  Speaker 1: and I want to help him to do that. So
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  Speaker 1: recently we caught up for a very raw and emotional
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  Speaker 1: conversation that stretched into two episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Krame and Steve Beinland.
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  Speaker 3: Can I addaim here? And doing mate very well? Thank
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  Speaker 3: nice to be here. Thanks for inviting me over. That's
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  Speaker 3: absolutely pleasure. And it's taken a while to get you
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  Speaker 3: to the chair. It has it has, but I think
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  Speaker 3: all things happen at the right time.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a slightly different podcast to others I've
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  Speaker 1: done because we're talking about how you want to write
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  Speaker 1: a book about your experiences in the job and afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to talk to you about that, the
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  Speaker 1: motivation for writing a book. And I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a how to because they get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people come to me and say I've got a
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  Speaker 1: story or I've got a book, and I said, well, listen,
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  Speaker 1: it may be a story, but it's not a book yet,
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  Speaker 1: and you have to put some shape around that, and
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  Speaker 1: it requires a lot of soul searching and pulling those
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  Speaker 1: memories right out of the heart and other places in
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  Speaker 1: the body to deal with them. And I think you've
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  Speaker 1: been going through a process of that over years, which
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  Speaker 1: sort of culminates in writing a book. But you're also
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  Speaker 1: getting up on social media. You're finding your voice, that's right, yes, and.
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  Speaker 4: Processing your experiences in the job, some highs, which were
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  Speaker 4: very high, and some very low lows.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, fair to say, absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 2: How did you become a policeman in the first place?
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  Speaker 3: Well, as I said, no, my brother was a He's
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  Speaker 3: five years older than me, six years older than me,
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  Speaker 3: So he joined the Cadets when he was seventeen and
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  Speaker 3: he completed a thirty eight year career. Very hard working man.
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  Speaker 3: He went initially uniform. He went to glen Waverley uniform
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  Speaker 3: and I was playing football in the area, so sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I got good reports on how he was going as
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  Speaker 3: a copper or your brother's a hard basket one or
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  Speaker 3: the other. But I never got hassled too much. He
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  Speaker 3: did a good job there. I think hard but fair
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  Speaker 3: is a good way to describe my brother. And then
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  Speaker 3: he went to Hawthorne CIB. The youngest or most junior detective.
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  Speaker 3: He went there as a detective constable. Most people go
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  Speaker 3: to the CIB as a detective senior constable, so he
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  Speaker 3: was very well regarded. He did his time there as
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  Speaker 3: an apprentice for three years and then he went to
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  Speaker 3: danny Knock COIB, which was the busiest division in the state,
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  Speaker 3: and he did his five years there. At the time
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  Speaker 3: when he went to Danny Knong, I was working looking
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  Speaker 3: for a liquor store. Driving a liquor truck ran all
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  Speaker 3: around Melbourne delivering to various shops and because of that,
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  Speaker 3: I used to make a delivery on Friday afternoon to
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  Speaker 3: the Daddy Nonselya I beat office and drop off three
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  Speaker 3: or four slabs of Victorian bitter at no charge. So
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  Speaker 3: I got to know the boys at Daddy. Oh great guys,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And I just saw how they the comaraderie
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  Speaker 3: was amazing. I just stopped there and maybe have two bits.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I wouldn't have a beer at all, but I
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  Speaker 3: just used to watch them and I was in awe
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  Speaker 3: of the way their comaraderie. I'd just talk about the
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  Speaker 3: day just that day because it was Mayhem that day,
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  Speaker 3: they'd have ten to twelve offenders in one day let
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  Speaker 3: alone all the other days, you know. And so I've
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  Speaker 3: spent an hour with them and then go home, drop
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  Speaker 3: the truck off, go home.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, and Jack and I are very close,
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  Speaker 5: my brother Jack and I. And because it was Jeff
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  Speaker 5: known as Jack.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, you always got Jack Jack Beanland.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it Jack and the bean store maybe, do
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  Speaker 2: you think?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think, well, yes, that's the relationship he got
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  Speaker 3: known as Jack. Thought of that Jack Beanley, Jack Beanstalk.
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  Speaker 3: Even though he's shorter than me on six to two, he's
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  Speaker 3: five ten, But anyway, he got Jack and Collingwood six
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  Speaker 3: foot like yeah, correct, correct, So he was a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a hero for you like seeing him. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: was mate and we were very close. So, I mean
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  Speaker 3: even prior to that, when I grew up playing football,
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  Speaker 3: he got involved with our under sixteen under sixteen team
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  Speaker 3: at that point we were undefeated premiers that year. I
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  Speaker 3: think I was the captain and he got involved in
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  Speaker 3: the team. He was a team manager. He was just
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  Speaker 3: he was involved when he could be. He was very
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  Speaker 3: busy man, but he'd always make sure he had Saturday
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  Speaker 3: mornings off to come and do the footy. And the
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  Speaker 3: kids loved him. So he had a big, big impact
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  Speaker 3: on me, both as a brother and a copper. And
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  Speaker 3: my friends all loved him. Everyone loved it. Everyone loved Jack.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that was very influential. Then he went to
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  Speaker 3: the homicide squad and he was there for eight or
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  Speaker 3: nine years, very long time a homicide squad. At that stage,
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  Speaker 3: it was the longest. He was the longest serving member
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  Speaker 3: of homicide. Now. I don't know if that's been broken.
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  Speaker 3: I doubt it because these days they.
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  Speaker 2: Tend to do two or three years and they break
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  Speaker 2: them up deliberately, I think these days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he did nine years. Peter Hallerin was his
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  Speaker 3: boss there, and Peter I spoke with him the other
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  Speaker 3: night on the phone and I said, Peter, out of
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  Speaker 3: all those years you were the homicide boss, name your
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  Speaker 3: best three workers that you would give the hardest job too.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, your brother would be number one, by miss Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: by mile. I said, are you just saying that because
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  Speaker 3: he's my brother? He goes no way ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Peter haller And the old prong is not given to
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  Speaker 1: idle flattery, So you can take that one to the bank.
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  Speaker 2: So Jack influences you to join the force.
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  Speaker 3: And well, also my sister. When Jack went through the
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  Speaker 3: police academy, he met Graham. They became they were squad
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  Speaker 3: mates or very close to each other. Graham Maine and right, so.
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  Speaker 1: Your sister marries an arm robbery squad detective as well.
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  Speaker 1: So you got you're boxed in by police there if
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  Speaker 1: you like, well.
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  Speaker 3: Remember one Sunday my mum put it. This was a
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  Speaker 3: major I always remember, never forget it. So Sunday after
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  Speaker 3: like a Sunday evening, Mum's cooking the lamb rights at
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  Speaker 3: home where we grew up in Desperold. My brother was there,
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  Speaker 3: Graham was there, my sister was there, and I was
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  Speaker 3: there and Mum, Graham says, I'm just going down the
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  Speaker 3: fish and chip shot and the boy packet of smokes. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So he goes. He came back and his hands were
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  Speaker 3: all bloody in that, and I said, and everyone's like,
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  Speaker 3: what happened to? Here? He goes, I had to clean
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  Speaker 3: up some bucks, give me some crap down the street.
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  Speaker 3: All the skinheads back in those days. He could fight
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  Speaker 3: and he wasn't scared of anything made. He'd run through
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  Speaker 3: a brick walk and he became a major influence as well.
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  Speaker 3: So I saw all that I did a ride along
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  Speaker 3: with Graham when he was at Corfield Crime Cass. I
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  Speaker 3: was telling him about how I was thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, all right, come into the office for more nights.
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  Speaker 3: If you can sit in the back of the car,
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  Speaker 3: say nothing for the whole shift, and I'll dropped you
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  Speaker 3: off at eight o'clock in the morning. So I saw
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  Speaker 3: him work first hand. Our first job they got was
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  Speaker 3: a fellow running around with a gun in Corefield. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: I scooped him up, found the gun and the crook's
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  Speaker 3: next to me in the back. I'm not saying that anything.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just observing. Graham spoke to him. Let's just say
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  Speaker 3: he spoke very firmly to that man. No violence, but
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  Speaker 3: he was bread. That was just the one pickup job
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  Speaker 3: that I saw as many during the night. So he
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  Speaker 3: was a major influence on me. Jordy and I thought, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is for me, This is for me. So I decided.
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  Speaker 3: But I decided because I was a surfer and I
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  Speaker 3: love ships and boats and surfing and water. So I thought,
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  Speaker 3: I'll join the police and I'll go to the Border Police.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I joined.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, right, you didn't get there in the end. I
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  Speaker 6: never went anywhere near there. So at the end of
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  Speaker 6: all this and I'll just cut to the chase a
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  Speaker 6: little bit to here. But yeah, how are we are
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  Speaker 6: we in for twenty five? Twenty five? That's a generation,
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  Speaker 6: you know. So at the end of all this year sixty.
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  Speaker 1: One years of age now sixty one just turned just
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  Speaker 1: turn sixty one. And you want to put your policing
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  Speaker 1: experience in the whole context, including some very traumatic experiences
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  Speaker 1: around the murder of two police officers Silk and Miller,
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  Speaker 1: into some sort of context.
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  Speaker 2: You want to write a book about that? What's motivating
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  Speaker 2: you to do that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to write a book about Gary and Rod,
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  Speaker 3: per se. There is already a book written about that,
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  Speaker 3: which is One Day and one Missing, written by j Diao.
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  Speaker 3: That would be a part of my story. My story
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  Speaker 3: is much bigger than Gary and Rod, even though that
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  Speaker 3: was a major, major, major thing that occurred along the way.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know how quite to describe it, but posts the
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  Speaker 3: garyan Rod and that was a five year job, including
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  Speaker 3: all the court appearances and the ultimate guilty verdict from
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  Speaker 3: the incident where they were murdered to the court case.
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  Speaker 3: The court verdict was five years, and I was pretty
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  Speaker 3: much there the whole time, except for a few weeks
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  Speaker 3: when I went on to leave. So that whole situation
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  Speaker 3: where Gary and Rod were murdered turned my life, not
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  Speaker 3: upside down, but certainly did a major view turn on
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  Speaker 3: the hum Highway. I thought I was going to Sydney,
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  Speaker 3: but no, I ended up in Melbourne. So that's the
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  Speaker 3: short story.
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  Speaker 2: So what's driving this desire? You could boil it down
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  Speaker 2: into are you still trying to make sense of your
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  Speaker 2: life in the force?
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  Speaker 3: And I've tried to write many chapters, Adam, about my
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  Speaker 3: life since garyan Rod, and it's been really difficult because
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  Speaker 3: of the way I was treated. And I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to focus on the negative thing because there is so
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  Speaker 3: much positive that I went through in that twenty five years,
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  Speaker 3: so many positive things, some remarkable inquiries, and got rid
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  Speaker 3: of a lot of bad guys off the street to
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  Speaker 3: help the public. That's what we did in those days, mate,
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  Speaker 3: we worked for the public. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 3: do that these days. In fact, I'm sure they don't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they don't. It's a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: Do they work for an out?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think I think it's initials Ja the government,
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  Speaker 3: Allen and Dan Andrews, it's an absolute disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to politics today. There's a crime podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: But you're right, You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's become a I think in the time
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  Speaker 1: that you were in the force and subsequent it's gone
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  Speaker 1: from a paramilitary structure to a kind of quasi corporate
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  Speaker 1: one now and the ultimate shareholder is the government.
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  Speaker 2: And so a lot of that lot of the.
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  Speaker 1: Firewalls, a lot of the protections that down the rank
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  Speaker 1: officers had are now gone.
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  Speaker 2: And you were a sergeant, so you understand how sergeants
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  Speaker 2: used to look after.
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  Speaker 1: Their troops, correct, And so a lot of people of
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  Speaker 1: looking to look at their policing career and saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what I joined was not the force that I left
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  Speaker 1: in the sense.
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  Speaker 3: Of a p And whoever's listening to this, who policed
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  Speaker 3: in my era or even ten years after my era
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  Speaker 3: when I left, I left in twenty eleven. In the end,
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  Speaker 3: may or may not know me, would agree with that.
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  Speaker 3: Back just to cap that off, Mick Miller was the
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  Speaker 3: chief commissioner when I went through the academy, and the
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  Speaker 3: first five years of my life in the police completely
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  Speaker 3: removed from government. He would have none of it, none
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  Speaker 3: of it. It was completely separate and he would not
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  Speaker 3: entertain the thought of going to the Premier's office or
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  Speaker 3: taking a phone call from the premier. Had nothing to
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  Speaker 3: do with you. I run my police force, you run
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  Speaker 3: the politics. That was how he was. He was loved
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  Speaker 3: for that. He was loved for that. And then the
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  Speaker 3: next one, I think was Neil Comery. Same But then
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  Speaker 3: they got these other people in and I further them
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  Speaker 3: colloquially as fucking piss ants.
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  Speaker 2: Is that technical term?
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  Speaker 3: You've got ash? You've got who was the one before him, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's right, the female one from Sydney. We used to
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  Speaker 3: call her the bean bag mate. Absolutely she decimated the
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  Speaker 3: police force. She absolutely decimated the police force. She got
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  Speaker 3: rid of squads that were hard working and locking up
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  Speaker 3: crooks doing their job. Well. She said, no, we don't
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  Speaker 3: want you anymore. Too many complaints from the criminals. They're
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  Speaker 3: all making complaints. So she decimated heaps of squads. It
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  Speaker 3: all became a corporate situation with She just wanted no
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  Speaker 3: issues with the police, so she got rid of everything
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  Speaker 3: and completely decimated. That was the start of the rot
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  Speaker 3: and Overland came in lawyer x crap. He's never worked
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  Speaker 3: a day in his life on the streets, so he
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  Speaker 3: had no idea how to deal with that situation. Look
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  Speaker 3: where we ended up there, and then you had pattern
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  Speaker 3: after that. Who we all thought at least he was
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  Speaker 3: a detective. I used to work with him at Saint Kildo,
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  Speaker 3: he was in CIB. We all had a bit of hope,
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  Speaker 3: but nah, he was useless as well, turned into corporate
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  Speaker 3: piscent as well. So we've had a series of these people.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean to swear, but that's how I feel
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  Speaker 3: in many others. And this new black Bush well, I
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  Speaker 3: think I saw the new protocols that's that he's proposing
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  Speaker 3: for sentencing of offenders, and I think it's very smart
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  Speaker 3: what he's proposing, three stage tier of sentencing and I
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  Speaker 3: think that's really really good. And he's trying to introduce
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  Speaker 3: it now five months before the November election. So these
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  Speaker 3: government people just Cincer Allen and Jess Wilson, either one
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  Speaker 3: of them, are going to have to adopt that if
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  Speaker 3: they want to be premier because the Victorian public sick
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  Speaker 3: of what is going on on the street. It is
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  Speaker 3: a war zo. I drove in through Melbourne today. I'll
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  Speaker 3: live somewhere else in the bush. It is a wars
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  Speaker 3: a and I came here at nine in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? There's people who running around with
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  Speaker 3: wives this morning when I drove through, Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Did I see one police officer? I saw a couple there,
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  Speaker 3: Flinders and Elizabeth, not doing anything, not talking anyone, not
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  Speaker 3: doing their job. It's a disgrace.
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  Speaker 1: But so many old police officers I talked to x
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  Speaker 1: Ones talk about the jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Fun isn't what it was TJF.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a common thing.
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  Speaker 1: But I think more to the point, the generation that
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  Speaker 1: went through the Wall Street killings, Damien there and Steve Tynan,
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  Speaker 1: and then subsequently Rod Miller and Gary Silk, very traumatizing events.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 5: Which punker killings now exactly we'll talk about them. That's
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  Speaker 5: out of your realm.
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  Speaker 1: But the in the face of that corporatism, pragmatism, political
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  Speaker 1: adherence is profoundly baffling and alienating to guys on the street.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's part of your story, is the
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  Speaker 1: passion you had for policing and justice and for your
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  Speaker 1: mates seem not to matter in the latter stages of
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  Speaker 1: your career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think back to the days when we were good, honest,
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  Speaker 3: solid police officers, not just me. There were hundreds of
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  Speaker 3: thousands of us all around the state doing our job.
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  Speaker 3: That's why the public was safe. We were out doing
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  Speaker 3: our job. It seems now that is the third priority.
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  Speaker 3: The first priority is to go to the gay and
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  Speaker 3: lesbian Marti Grao and fitzroy Street and wear a little badge,
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  Speaker 3: you know. The second priority is let's do some fancy
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  Speaker 3: tiktoks and grab a cup of coffee with the cop
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  Speaker 3: in the shopping center. That's you know, go on to
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  Speaker 3: lock up crewel. So you know, we'll get round to that,
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  Speaker 3: and only if someone gets killed, it's a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: Public relations instead of policing.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a common and I think the public
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  Speaker 1: is seen through that as well now because we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: the Victoria to a crime crisis and absolute cross and
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  Speaker 1: we're not We can't even get enough people to join
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  Speaker 1: the force. But I mean, you came through an era
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  Speaker 1: when and I know a lot of coppers that came
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  Speaker 1: from the generation before you, we used to say our
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  Speaker 1: job was rip shit and bust, get out there, put
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  Speaker 1: the fear into the crooks, kick indoors yet a wide latitude.
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  Speaker 2: And you fucking love that. You love that? Tell me
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  Speaker 2: about yes, you, I loved it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think the era that I joined in eighty six,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: so that's probably more of the seventies style of policing
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: that you were referring to, or even maybe the sixties.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Back in the those days, and if I had my
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: time again, I would say to God, please, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I'd make me born in the nineteen forty so that
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I was a young detective in the seventies. But anyway,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I joined in eighty six, but it was still pretty
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: rough and tumbled at him, you know, and it was
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: it was a very We're up against some heavy crooks
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that were not these Africans running around with machetes like
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: they are now in groups of fifteen and attacking one
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: kid and killing him. We're talking about painters and doggers,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: heavy arm robbers, lots of gangland murders, the Cane brothers,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So it was still heavy, but
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: we didn't have the ice epidemic that's here today. We
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: were dealing with heroin back then, you know, the painters
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and dockers and the Unions was Heroin, and then Speed
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: came in a little bit later, probably the early nineties.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: A lot of money in Heroin, all coming in from Asia,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: so all those fellows want to get their hands on it,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: so there was always plenty to do. I mean the
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: local berties were run off their feet because of course
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: everyone who's taking here and we'll go and do boog
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: where he used to fund their habit. So that was
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the year that I grew up in in the Coppers
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: and a lot of violence made lots of violence.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: See I blame you guys for the ice epidemic. Reason
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: why you were too successful in attacking Heroin and in
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Sydney and Melbourne.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It's true in Sydney and Melbourne the heroine drought then
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: begat ice and Speed, which we still have today as
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a huge problem. That's just an aside, but there was
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of success.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Put the fear into those guys. Give us the sense
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: of those early years when you're on the van. You
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: became a detective pretty quickly, I believe.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Or graduated in February eighty seven. I'm just trying to think, Oh,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: my first detect this place was Brunswick, so I'd be
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: ninety one, so four years about average that maybe someone
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: would get in on the depend how many interviews they did.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, I did one interview in a spot
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: at Brunswick. The spot came up straight away, so I
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: went straight My first spot was Richmond, so that was
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: my training station, and man, what a station that was.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I mean did a year there, six months first time,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and then six months a second time. We used to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: go with six months and then we'd go to all
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the little little spots for four weeks, like fingerprint brands,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: four weeks, traffic operations, four weeks, d twenty four, four
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: weeks district patrol in the city where police used to
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: control the traffic lights at peak times and then walk
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: around the city patrolling during the day. Four weeks those
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: little spots, and then you'd come back and do another
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: six months at your training station. So I did my
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: twelve months at Richmond, and it was a hell of
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: an apprenticeship. When I went there and saw how we
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: did things in the real world, not the academy world,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: but the real world, I was completely hooked, completely and
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: utterly hooked. I loved it, and not only me, the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: whole crew that was the thing back. Then the whole roster.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: You got the senior sergeants, two of them, all your sergeants,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: and then the boys and girls. Then in the crew.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: You know, might be thirty forty on the roster. No
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: problems with anyone. You could say what you're like, hang
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: shit on each other. We had a stiff ship book.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: He'd come in and say, did you make the fucking
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: an entry overnight? Bernie smashed the fucking car? Whatever, right,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: hang shit on each other. Chan He didn't leave any
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: toilet paper for the next block, you know, whatever it was,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: and we'd have a laugh and the camaraderie was great.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: We get a crooking is there anything I can do?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: You know, We get him in and out, put him
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: in a cell straight away so we could get back out,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you know. And so everyone would help, even if they
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: were doing their correspondence. They come over and say, Benie,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: can we help with this bike? He's done fifteen burgs.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I need someone to go to that address to find
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: out a more detail because he's not telling me enough.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: They'd go out and there, you know, and we'd shorten
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the time of processing deal with it. He'd either get
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: remanded or bail. We try and remar all the time,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and nominally they did because we asked for it and
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: we were listening to we had good reputation. Different again,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: different story now, but that's the way I grew up.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And it was violent, mate, it was violent. We're always
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: fight and you go past the part, all the bucks
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: would come out and hang shit on you. And if
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: you went past you were weak. No, you got out
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: of the van, you and dealt with it. And you
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: can get a busted nose, a bit of bark off
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: your here and there. Always fighting, always at least once
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a shift. Really, oh, you got no one. There was
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: a couple of pubs in Richmond we were encouraged to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: walk walk through. You fire the flag you call it,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: put your hats on, walk through, make sure there's no
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: drama or you know, Adam read out. We'd say, we're
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: looking for Adam Shan, one of the painters and dockers.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: There's brend and rape, blah blah whatever. We're looking for
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Adam Shann. Adam Shann. He lives in Inna, the flats,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: not up there. He's got to be at drinking, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the Great Britain Hotel down the Swan wherever you're drinking.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: So we'd go through the pubs no rough, they'd hang
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: shit on you. But if you walk past, you were weak.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: You never walked past.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Their comrades would tell you you're weak. If you didn't
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: know the crooks, the crooks would tell okay, they'd hang.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Shit and if you walk past, that to them, you're weak.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: So you never walked past. You stood them up. And
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: if they if they kept going, they were going mate.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: They were in the back of the event. That's the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: way we did business. That's the way we got respect
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: from them. That's the way we work. And if it
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: turned into a ship fight, it turned into a shed fight,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: and it often did. So that was Richmond. Then you
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: go to Brunswick, No. No, went to Russell Street. From
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: there did two years at Russell Street. Community Placing Squad
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: was where I volunteered where abused children came. Now they
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: caught socker or the sex Offensive Squad. Well back in
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: my day, it was the Community Policing Squad where abused
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: children or of that ilk that reported to us through
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the uniform system that we then investigated whether they were
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: it was parents involved or guardians or adopted kids or
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: fostered kids. Whatever the situation was, we'd go and look
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: at it, and if warranted, we'd remove the child from
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the family and put an investigate, put a brief together
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and hold the child in our office. We had a
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: bedroom there for them, and we had different rooms for
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: different age groups of children. We'd do the brief overnight.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: If it was overnight, we'd do it overnight and then
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: take him straight down to the Kiddi's court in the morning,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: where the magistrate would say, Okay, I think the child
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: can go there, or I'll give them back or whatever
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: up to them. But we did all that work leading
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: up to the kiddi's court. There was one job there
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: that I'm thinking of that I actually spoke about it
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: on TikTok and I won't get through it without crying.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: But it was the worst case of abuse, a scene
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and still to this day it haunts me what happened
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to that poor kid. So we took her, we removed her.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: She was about fourteen. We removed it from the parents
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: and she was placed in a North Melbourne foster home
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: with other kids her age are the females of her age.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: That was a real bad one. The parents were dealt
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: with by the Sea by the detectives and we dealt
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: with the kid. I did nominally me after she was placed,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I was so worried about her. I kept visiting her
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: and I used to go to the place in North
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Melbourne where she was, just to see if she was okay.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Are these people doing the right thing or not? That's
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: what I was there for. I could see after a
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: few visits that she was okay. She was still traumatized terribly,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: but she was in the right environment to get help.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: So I stopped going there. I didn't want her to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: keep seeing a bull shirt reminding her a policeman, reminding
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: her of the absolute highror that she had gone through.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: So I stopped going. And many many years later, after
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I left the job. It's a long story, but I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: found her online. I made contact with her. She called
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: me and we spoke and I said, you do remember me?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: She goes, how could I forget stay? Please tell me
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: tell me what happened, she said, She said, I'm living
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: in Geelong. I didn't go to school. I wasn't up
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: to it. I'm not surprised that she was was terrific
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: what happened to her. So eventually she managed to go
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: to a hairdressing school, like somewhat of a tape of course,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and she learned how to cut hair. She moved to Geelong,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: she met a really nice guy and she's a mobile
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: hairdresser now and she's in a happy relationship. Well, when
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that was about three years ago, I had that call
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: with her. She was telling me that when I started
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: that phone call, I was one hundred and eighty kilograms.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: When I finished it, I was back to my fight,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: and of one hundred, I was crying so much. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I just said to her, I'm sorry. I can't tell
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you how happy I am to hear that. I was
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: expecting a horror story. She'd begun, she'd turned to drugs
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: and everything else. She didn't what a fucking champion. So
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: that's one that I remember, big one.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: And something that you had a positive impact on. I'm
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: not saying that I did now, but you did that. No,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. I don't know whether I did.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know whether I did or I didn't I
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: but it was just it was a job. That's what
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: we did. We cared for people, We worked for the public.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: That's the point I'm trying to make here. Occasionally become
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: involved like that. It was impossible not to.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: You know, how can it be a decent human being
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: and not have any feelings about that? Yeah, it was
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I crying now because.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Well, as I say you here, I mean you're streaming
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: down your face, Steve, and I can see that that's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: your makeup to get involved with your colleagues, with the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: victims of crime, even the criminals themselves.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: So when we weren't doing those things at the CPS,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: we could patrol a district which was the city of Melbourne, Richmond, Fitzroy, Collingwood,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: those areas, Clifton Hill, and I started catching a lot
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: of crooks. I was just a magnet for crooks. And
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I remember one night with ship magnet as just with
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: limited intelligence, you just Portroyal and you just got a
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: sense of this guy's up to nag anyway. One night shift,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget this job. We're in Fitzroy, myself and
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the partner who's female, great girl, great boys woman, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: he was in the car. It was an HQ and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: we just sat back and watched him for a bit
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and he wasn't moving. Three am and then the break
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: lights came on went off again. Break lights came on,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: went off again. I've got a bit sick of it
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: chat with this he's outside the Fitzroy Flats. Checked him.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: You know, he's got a few price and found something
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: in his car. We search his car.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I think it was a.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Stereo car stereo or something like that. Anyway, we rested him,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: bought him back, ended up charging him with twenty burglaries.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Right by the time seven am came around because they
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: were on night shift the morning shift. So eye Blake
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: from Russell Street so comes down. They were looking for
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: him and I've pulled him in and I've already charging
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: me twenty overnight. He said to me, could I work?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Said this? Okme out. I'm still topping him up. I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: on the nineteenth burglary at this stage, but he's going
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: to give me twenty. And he goes, what's your name?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Said Steve bee Man's big talk Detechniques. He goes, We've
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: been looking for this black about eight months. You know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: he's driving us crazy. He said, he's probably got more
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to tell you. I said, well, he's kicked in for twenty.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: He goes, we'll take him for the rest of the day.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: He does. Good job, mate, Good job so I handed
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: him over to the detectives, and you know, just things
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: like that happened. We're all worked together. I got seconded
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to the DSG, which is called the District Support Group
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: in those days. So if you were looked upon as
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: a good prospect for perhaps to be a detective. It
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: was an intermediatory area, plain clothes area where if you say,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you Adam chand was, we're at Richmond c IB, for example,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: and you've got every morning and come to work there's
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: twenty theft from motor cars or ten theft of motor cars,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: driving you crazy. You haven't got the time to look
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: into it because you're dealing with other stuff or targeting
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: painters and dockers or whatever you're looking at. So you
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: call the d and say, look, we've got a problem overnight,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: it's Monday to Friday, or it's the weekends. You give
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: us as much as you can. We take that on.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Jobs like that, or heroin trafficking out of the commissioned flats,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: problems with pubs in their license. There's lots of violence
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: they're breaking there, all that kind of stuff that it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the IB. They haven't They simply haven't got the time
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: to look at because they're looking at more serious things,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: and we take all that we take on, we put
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: because we're playing clothes. We go into the flats and
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: just act like drugs and find out who's scoring heroin,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: what flat and who's there and all that crap fun
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: in there again on it's just you just winged it
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: and you get all the intelligence over a week and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: then you start kicking doors in them all up, you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: because the heroin deals had come in from Footscray or
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: you know, Roxburgh Park or Mennots, you know that sort
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: of area. They'd come in, drop off no more, no more.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: We grab them and all their doors are get kicked in,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: and we'd you know, massive amounts of stolen property always there, laptops,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: mobile fine, blah blah blah, all that because some cooks
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: didn't have money, so they'd go there with a shit
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: old mobile fine and exchange out for heroin, you know.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: So we'd always get lots of property and then we'd
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: return it to the owners. So there we are again
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: working for the public, and we were good at it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: We're loving it too, but that sounds loving it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Loven't it. You know? I can't think of a day
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: where I went to work and worked eight hours. Now
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I'm working ten eleven. So the other boys and we
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: enjoyed to be her after work because we did a
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: fucking good job. Had some good pictures. Mate. One in
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: particular was that simply that that theft from motor car situation.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: It was Carl and c Eye. So we got a
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: bait car from Eldridge four brand new Ford off the straight,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: off the off the line in broad Meadows, put a
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: heap of shit in the front seat, you know, stereos
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah, all the windows down, put it exactly
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: where all the all these ships going on overnight, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: we had six of us said off it, waiting for
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: the crooks to come in. Bait was bait. First two nights,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: no cigar, no cigar, they didn't show up. Third night,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it's up on Street, the lig On Street Housing Commissioned
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Area five' ten like On. Street that's where we, were
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: if you know the. Area so the third, night middle of,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: winter we're all rugged. Up we've got this these crappy
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: little mobile. Radio so three on this, side three on the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Other it's about three. AM i said the, Boys i've
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: got to have a piss pissed because we drinking coffee
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: right low is. Tomorrow SO i went across the road
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to the actual flats And i'll find a tree and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: having a, piece and it's, misty And i'll look at
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: it over the over the grassy and all. There you,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Know i'll never forget. It, Man AND i can see what's.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: That it's a couple of a couple of buckstick and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: they're looking through. Handbags i'm too far away to call
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: for the. Boys i'm a cross log on straight fifty meters.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Away there's not Why i'm gonna call because that will run.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Off SO i just maasy on up at three, Am hey, guy,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Boys i've Got sonny's on even that was three am,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Amazing hey, god boys will sucking down on the. Well
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: just need some. Jobs and they wrath on through these fucking.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Ambags you see fucking ship. Everywhere, Yeah i'm looking for,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: something Fucking.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Sonny it fucked.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: YEA i throw them. Away, well now there's That. Sonny
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: he might his fucking. Ship there's leapstick black blacking this.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Ship this ship right and they're throwing it. Everywhere SO
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: i get behind them because they're interested in the. Bag
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: And i've came up behind them and is there any fucking,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: money gives, corns any fucking coins? Anything? Yeah, na well there,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: was and we fucking got. That we got that, first.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Mate now it's time to fucking. Pounds So i've got
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: my arms around both of them Because i'm looking down
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: on the, bags AND i grabbed the MART i was
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: pretty handy with The Duke sandy, anyway And i've just
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: fucking ripped them, up and SO i don't want to
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: let him. Go these are our, men, Right SO i
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: just can't fucking smack in their heads their heads to
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: get a. BANG i had some cuffs on and they're
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: in the bracelets before they could say what the? Fuck
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: SO i marching them across a Log on street towards
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: the boys, there, right And i'm thinking this is going
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: to be the world's fucking funniest. Thing SO i walk
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: up And i'm yelling at the. Boys they can't see.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Me are you out, There? Sandy are you still?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: There shandy was still?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Here what are you? DOING i couldn't find a fucking
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: tree to have a, piece, Right what do you mean
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: this fucking? Shit you could have had a PISC i
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: don't know who went over there for. Anyway SO i keep.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Walking CAN i get your boys another? Coffee, no just
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: getting any of the busters fucking. Help SO i walk
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: up with the crooks AND i, SAID i THINK i
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: think we got air. Men and they came out and
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: they have, gone what the? Fuck so that's the side
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: of the. Story, well we had them all fucking day
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: at the, office, right we grabbed an. Offender we had
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: so much work because they'd done so many fucking. Jobs
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: it wasn't just cars at That berg's and all sorts of.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Stuff Gary, Lee i'll never forgetting he was one of the.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Offenders forget the other one. There the main one Was
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Gary lee living in the. Flats you, know shit everywhere
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: in the, flat all stolen. Property and again we had
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the process and find out what jobs they came from
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: a paper back then and mainally we got the info
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: from the crook if we questioned, it, right well did
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: this come? FROM i can't? Remember, WELL i think you'd
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: better fucking go a bit harder on that memory. Shirt
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: so they, did and then we go, Back, adam was
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: that your mobile phone or? Computer and we returned and
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: we worked for the. Public that was the best, part
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the best part of it was you get your property,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: back your guitar, style that you've, had all your lot,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: whatever and the police had come.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Back oh my, god how did you have our way?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Back doesn't?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Matter and it was.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Great so you built.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yourself a strong reputation as a crooked, catcher hard, man team.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Man sense of belonging was very, strong and that propelled.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You you ended up being a detective. Sergeant and we're
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to short hand a little bit to. Here, yep and
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a few years later you find yourself in the dream,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: job the dream job robbery.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Squad what was that?
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Like it was? Brilliant, short short. Answer these were guys
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: THAT i admired for many. YEARS i knew most of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: them Because i'd worked At, brunswick So i'd be for five,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: years and a lot of them were For Saint KILDA'S
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: soib And i'd work there in. Uniform but SOME i,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: had SOME i didn't. Know it was a very sought after.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Place detectives put in from that from all Over, victoria
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: all over the. State every, vacancy they'd get twenty or thirty,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: applying and they might run boards on, three the top
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: two or the top three ray. Watching the boss wasn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: interested in the. Rest he'd spend a day doing interviews
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: on the top. Three that was, it and one of
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: those three would get the. Job that's how it. Work
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: and even those, three they were all inquired about through
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the detectives at the arm Of. Riskquad What'ts Steve gleenland?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Like anyone knowing? Yet? Yeah what's he? Like what's he?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Like good or? Bad? Report you? Know he was terrible
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: at that. Job we went to a robbery And. Brunswick
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: he was fucking. Shitful wouldn't help? It, whatever, right he'd
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: take that all on, board or it might be a good.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: One he's pretty, snappy pretty, good can, fight and quite
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: handsome as.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Well whatever's going a bit beyond the bounds of truth,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: There I'm i'm just Facetious. Saturday but he'd take that
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: all on board and then make a. Decision SO i
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: didn't get the first. JOB i THINK i applied. TWICE
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: i got the second TIME i put in got. Job Ray,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: watson the, boss became a major influence on my.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Life he was a senior sergeant. There he was a
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: legend mate AND i didn't know him. PRIOR i knew of,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: him but became we became very close off start crying
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: IF i talk about, Right but, YEAH i. Did two
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: years there Before gary And rodd was. Shot we had
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: some amazing Jobs Mark, butterworth ourself And joe And Chris
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: storman who's now passed away. Unfortunately so the four of,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: us there's six crews up there of four one detecting,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: sergeant the three detective scene In connies and they were all.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Brilliant sometimes their work would cross over between, crews but
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: nominally each crew would stay with their own. Jobs each
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: bank robbery we're talking about major banks here and armed
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: vans that type of. Work the Local sea Of beez
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: would take care of an art robbery at seven eleven
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Or Red rooster or one of those. Things we wouldn't
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: do those unless unless it was a, series which The
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Silk miller jobs, were of, course and we'll get to that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Now because you started to work on a series of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: armed robberies in The morabon area and those suburbs around, there,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: correct and they were.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Prolific they're being carried out On friday And saturday.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Nights. Correct this was a big.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Deal yet a task force put together for that. Job
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: give us a background to what was going.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: On, now there was no task. Force we an operation
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: at Least, no it was just our, crew the four of.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Us we're looking at what is now known and we
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: gave it that operation. Name we needed operation name because
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: if a crew is working on a particular, job it
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: needs an operation name so that we can refer to
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: it in. Correspondence that's the only. Reason so we got
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: that operation. Name we call It hamada and we worked on.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: That it was a series of our robberies which we
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: recognized through good detective work from all of us on the.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Crew and what was the Moo that kind of showed
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: you that they were.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Linked same to. Offenders they changed their disguises at various,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: jobs but it was when you through our, experience it
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: was the same to. Offenders they were taping victims, up
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: they were saying similar things at each arm. Robbery they
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: were targeting not all the, time but Predominantly asian. Restaurants
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: they threw in a red rooster or they threw in
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: A malaysian restaurant In Surrey hills at one. POINT i
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: think they did that to throw us. Off there was
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: one was In, ashburton one was In, blackburn but the
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: others there was eleven of these were in that area
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: that you, said which was that danding On Patterson. Lakes
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: they went all the way down To Patterson lakes and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: then all the way sort of. Up it was a
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: pretty big. Area but apart from the three that were
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: in that area THAT i just, stated the rest were
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: down in that dadding On cranbur And. Merabin there was
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: a couple In. Morabin it, was but it was quite
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: a big area that they operated, in and we attended
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: all of those jobs whether they oc could over night
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: or during the.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Day so, yeah and you were sometimes you're out for
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: days at a time on this. Job you were staying in,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: motels working certain, areas on hunches and things like, that
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: following the evidence as it. Were and you got to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the point where your boss, said, Listen, steve you need
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of days. Off you, know you've been going
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: so hard on this for months time for some days,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: off and you're taking those days. OFF i think you're
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: watching the footy and hanging out doing what you, do you,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: know after, work and you get a message that something
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: catastrophic has.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Happened remember that. Moment, yeah, yeah oh, MAN i do.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: YEP i was on top of The West Gate, bridge
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: going home to my house In Westward. SCRAPE i remember that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Moment something comes over the.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Radio, WELL i was off. DUTY i was in the.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Taxi taxis had you, know the same portable, radio it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: not the computer. Ones and there was a broadcast all
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: through the taxi service to detectives had been murdered or.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Shot one or the other came over In merabin and
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: to avoid that, area don't take any customers from that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Area all the way down To danny AND i fucking
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: heard that sitting in the back seat on The SO
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: i got. HOME i didn't have a. PHONE i don't
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: think that what we don't. THINK i had a mobile.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Phone they weren't a thing. There SO i got home at.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: MIDNIGHT i rang the. Office they were. Allowed it was
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: finally got on to my sergeant at the scene, SOMEHOW
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: i can't remember, how AND i, Said.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Mark Batter, earth tell, me tell me what, happened what's going?
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: On and he just said it's, bad, Mate he, SAYS
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: i forget what he. Said he goes, Bad Bunny, gary
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: he's fucking. Dead you've been. Murdered and.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: The only just Found. Rod he's on his way to.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Hospital he hadn't passed at that, stage but he passed
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: a couple of hours later on the operating here. Table
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: so that was about big call AND i thought of
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: for fuck. Sake so that was the NIGHT i wasn't
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: working all on the day. Off SO i, Said i'm
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: coming straight, away, Mate i'll fucking be there in ten.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Minutes he, said, nah, no nothing you can. DO i
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: don't want you to. HEAR i want You. Monday you
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: take tomorrow, Off i'll see You. MONDAY i, said, No
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: i'm coming in to Morrowgo i'm telling you not. To
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: don't fucking come. IN i want to see You. Monday
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: SO i respected. That on The sunday there was a
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: gathering the bush in In, paran WHICH i went. HER
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: i was the only one from my crew because they
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: were still working the crime, scene et. Cetera and it
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: was all over the news and there was PROBABLY i
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: remember that. Day on That, sunday there was probably three
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: hundred police from se Nominally sekuldara And, paran but anyone
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: who'd ever worked At sekuldar And. PARAN i knew all
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: of them pretty, much and they were all on me
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: as soon AS i walked. In what the, fuck what's going? On,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: WELL i couldn't really tell them much BECAUSE i didn't
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: know fucking fuck all at that. Stage ALL i could
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: tell them was we were working on a series of
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: jobs and we're doing stakeout because we got told to
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: by the, bosses and that's what. Happened why were you
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: on a steak? Out i'll tell you. Why the last
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: armed robbery that they, did they taped a lady and
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: her young son might have been a. DAUGHTER i can't
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: remember that detail, together and it was pretty harrowing what
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: happened to that. Victim there WAS i think eleven in
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: that S What's Smart Robberie holder that Happened Sports Smart
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Noble park made the new six o'clock news because it
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: was traumatizing for the mother and her daughter or. Son
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: once it hit the, news the truth wants to know
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: what's going, on so that goes all down through the.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Ranks Commander, crime he knew we were working on, it
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: but he needed the. Details so Then ray provides the.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Details the boys were working. On we're working on thirty
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: suspects at the. TIME i think we've gone through about
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: twelve or fifteen and completely alibi them out of the.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Jobs but we still had that fifteen to. Go So ray, said,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: nah they've got fifteen to. Go let the boys. Work, no,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: no not good. Enough i'm going to tell the media
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: that we're being more proactive than, that so there'll be a.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Stakeout we were told to do. It there was no
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: fucking reasoning about. It ray. Couldn't he. Did his best
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: mate raised a fucking strong Met they It's, tolly you
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: will do. It so it was done.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Right for those who don't know the background to the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: murder Of Rod miller And Gary.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Silk probably good to go over the events of that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: NIGHT i know it's, Painful, stephen BUT i think it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: important to do, that AND i, Mean i'll.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Try i'll.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Try they were secondered To Operation. Harmada it could so
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: easily have been yourself and your. Partner it's the like
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: of the draw which made their murders so egregious and.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Outrageous we had police set up in every police, district
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So joe AND i went out the week, before my
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Partner joe and we physically eyeballed the kinds of places
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: they were. TARGETING i THINK i BELIEVE i picked out
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the restaurant where the murders happened Because i've got a
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: memory and we went past it because we had a
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: list right from The yellow, pages you, know or how
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: we got that. List it was manual fucking police. Work
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: so we went to that one and many others and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: we were looking for a Good they were doing places
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: that were in lighting industrial areas. Well this was it
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: was good access and regress for the way they got
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: away from their jobs and it had a reasonable. Taking
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: they were going to get about ten to fifteen thousand
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: out of this job because we went and spoke to
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: the manager and did all our. Work so that went
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: on our. List that particular one which was The Silky
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Empress chinese restaurant In. Morabit we did that same kind
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: of thing thoroughly for about ten others as. Well okay
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: from or not Just, morabin but all the way down To.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Frankston fit the. Bill in each of those, areas we
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: had a team of. Detectives we had between two and
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: four surveiling from various positions so that there is no
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the offenders are going to get away if they hit.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: It we had a dog squad in each. Area the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: air wing was up, well we had fog sg in each.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: District we were a team of armed robbery detectives in
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: each district and we had a command post at the. Academy.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was a major. Operation, NO i think it
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: was over two hundred. People two hundred police, involved both
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: detectives and uniform that we seconded. In so they were
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: either detect news from the armed robbers like, me or
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: they were seconded in from, divisions divisional detectives and people
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: from THE dsg WHICH i mentioned before in this. Group,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: yeah so they all came in and myself And Mark
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: bardworth we coordinated that massive job which Was Operation hamada
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: again because it was part of the investigation Of, hamada
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: so that was part and we got forced to do that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Stakeout it was, political you know in the, end so
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: we didn't want to do.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: It who was the stakeout? On there was a, steakout
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: but who was the target and the? Steakout, no we didn't.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Know we had no idea who the offenders. Were we didn't.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: Know that's why the boss is saying you will do a.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: Steakout we don't know because we couldn't say to them
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: we know who the offenders. Are all we could say
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: is we've still got fifteen on our list that we
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: haven't alibi, YET i, understand and the boss has, said
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: not good, enough you'll do a steakout because this is
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: all over the news where this lady's been tied up
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: and traumatized her.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Son it was major. NEWS. Ok so that's how it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Happened it just so happened That rod And. Gary And
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: rod was a friend of, mine as he was to many,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: others and a great, guy a nicer guy you could
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: and a hard, detective hard. Working AND i knew him
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: from WHAT i Knew rod from BEFORE i joined the,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: police A seville mate that went to school with, him
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: AND i learned how to drink who's on fucking cape
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: With rod BEFORE i even joined the. Police so WHEN
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: i Hit, sekuilda he was a detective, beanie he. Couple you,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: KNOW i didn't know, You. Jordan you, know we were,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: mates like good. Mates he breake For, HAWTHORNE i breake For.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Melbourne and sometimes detective can be a bit aloof with the,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: uniform but you know their own uniform. Scum, now it
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: was never like, that. Matey now we're And gary was a.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Slave they'd come down the boys from the, Sea ie
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: and we're going to such a Such Shandy's pub down The,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Ride let's go and have a. Drink, WELL i ended
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: up talking To, silky having talk, footy anything else but police.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Work so we had a good friendship with. Him might
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: hit me really hard when he fucking. Died fucking still
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: hit your heart. MADE i couldn't look at HIS i
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: couldn't look at his. Death. PHO i couldn't do it
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: for that first. Year it's task Force.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: No so what happened that night? Though just give us
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the quick breakdown of those who don't remember. IT i
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: haven't seen the movie and it's obviously well, known but.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So gary And ride were tasked to be at
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: The Silky Emperor chinese restaurant In, moraban which is on
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: the corner Of cochrans and my memory. Filesm cochrans And
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: warrigle wrote basically on the. Corner so they were. There
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: they had an eyeball on the restaurant and there were
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: two other members from THE dsg about two hundred and
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: fifty meters down the road In Cochran's, road so there was. Four,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: anyway a car behaves, suspiciously comes in and out of
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: the car, park riding garrier in the car park in
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: obviously an unmarked. Car his vehicle comes, in turns the
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: headlights off straight away and pokes around the car park
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: and then drives, out and the boy's a, lot this
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: will be, there but it. Was they couldn't. See there
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: was only one driver. Anyway they tried to pull it
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: over and there was one person. Visible one person. Visible
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: this is not the murder. Car this is one just
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: prior to the murder. Car so they tried to pull
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: this vehicle over and it runs big pursuit north In. Warrigle.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Right the offender drove like a. Cutcat And, gary we're
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: all pretty snappy, drivers trust. Me and this guy got.
• 54:16
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  Speaker 3: And road then decided not to be in the car park,
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  Speaker 3: downstairs but across the road, anyway they observed about not
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  Speaker 3: long ten minutes, later this high, ondie which was the
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  Speaker 3: murder car at suspiciously went down into that same car. Park,
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  Speaker 3: okay now they weren't to know this was the murder.
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  Speaker 3: Car they don't know. That it's just another behavior of
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  Speaker 3: a suspicious. Fear that's all it fucking. Was so they
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  Speaker 3: decided to let it spook around in the car park
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  Speaker 3: and pull over police over when they ACTUALLY i regress
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  Speaker 3: from the car. Part so they watch it going The
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  Speaker 3: Cochran's road and they pull it. Over that's. It that's this.
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  Speaker 3: Intercept The hi On die was about maybe ten to
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  Speaker 3: fifteen meters in front of the police. Car gary's got
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  Speaker 3: the blue light on the driver's. Sword he goes to
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  Speaker 3: the and they only can see one, person the. DRIVER
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  Speaker 3: i can't see two heads what we call heads in
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  Speaker 3: the cop only only one. Head in the.
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