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Iran fires at freighters again · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 2: Morn In Glaurin Evean Greats America. I'm Hugheshewett.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Thursday edition of the program. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of news today, three big Supreme Court decisions, all going
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  Speaker 1: the way of originalists. We also have Iran attacking a
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  Speaker 1: tanker or a freighter, actually a freighter in the Strait
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  Speaker 1: of Hormuz Singapore flag, but it was an attack by
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  Speaker 1: the IRGC. Nevertheless, no response yet from the White House.
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  Speaker 1: Will come back around to all that, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to begin with my first guest, executive editor of Commentary magazine,
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  Speaker 1: Abe Greenwald.
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  Speaker 2: Abe, I want to begin by just your broad.
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  Speaker 1: Reaction to Tuesday nights elections in New York. What did
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  Speaker 1: it say to you? You're a New Yorker, You're completely
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  Speaker 1: a New Yorker. What did it say to you about.
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  Speaker 2: New York.
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  Speaker 3: Sadly, it didn't say anything to me about New York
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  Speaker 3: that I didn't believe about New York and its present
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  Speaker 3: state on Monday. To my mind, a city that is
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  Speaker 3: thoroughly capable of putting someone like Zorn Mam Donnie in
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  Speaker 3: Gracie Mansion is more than capable of sending a whole
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  Speaker 3: host of socialists and radicals to Congress and elsewhere. I
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  Speaker 3: think we have yet to take seriously the meaning of
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  Speaker 3: what Mom Donnie's election meant for New York, the Democratic Party,
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  Speaker 3: and the future of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So the electorate, as I think what's potting out on
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  Speaker 1: the commentary podcast today, was very small. It was twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of the Democrats in those district, and the three
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  Speaker 1: hard left dsay ers who ran on anti West, anti American,
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  Speaker 1: antis anti Semitic platforms, they all got upper middle income
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  Speaker 1: or upper class white people with advanced college degrees. It's
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  Speaker 1: they're not winning the underclass, they're not winning the working class,
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  Speaker 1: they're working in the over educated class. What do you
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  Speaker 1: put that down to?
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  Speaker 3: Well, and then you also have to realize what a
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  Speaker 3: small percentage of New York we are talking about here, right,
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  Speaker 3: because this not a lot of people came out to vote,
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  Speaker 3: and if they won something like seven percent of the
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  Speaker 3: seventeen percent of New York Democrats who came out to vote,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about a sort of tiny wedge of the city.
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  Speaker 3: But this is not New Rich white radicals have been
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  Speaker 3: boosting wokeism, radicalism, the Intafada rhetoric, and the anti Israel,
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  Speaker 3: anti Western colonialist theory of.
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  Speaker 4: Western civilization, and.
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  Speaker 3: They never speak to the actual minorities that they claim
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  Speaker 3: to speak for. In fact, you can always tell the
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  Speaker 3: radical cause by the fact that it always ends up
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  Speaker 3: harming the very population that it ends up speaking for.
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  Speaker 3: Whether that's Black lives Matter, Black Black Lives Matter resulting
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  Speaker 3: in spike in homicides, particularly in the black communities, or
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  Speaker 3: whether that's the pro Hamas groups keeping the Palestinians under
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  Speaker 3: the boot of the of of Hamas and so on.
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  Speaker 3: So this is all the same crowd.
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  Speaker 2: I'll we're seeing it again and again and again.
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  Speaker 1: I hope we have queued up Adam or Duayne, the
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  Speaker 1: zoron Mom Donnie quote that we used yesterday, because I
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  Speaker 1: think I might use it a lot in the weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Agad here is mayor Mom Donnie yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Abe the old world is dying and the new world
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  Speaker 5: struggles to be born.
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  Speaker 6: Now is the time of monsters.
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  Speaker 5: These monsters take many forms today in those who fund
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  Speaker 5: television ads that blanket the airways with misleading and bat fait,
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  Speaker 5: the tax about Claire, Brad and Darry, those who would
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  Speaker 5: rather spend far more on political contributions than they would
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  Speaker 5: ever be made to.
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  Speaker 6: Pay in taxes. In Apac a.
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  Speaker 1: Pak so monsters Abe monsters, Apak Apac monsters. And then
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  Speaker 1: called on it. That was on Monday, not yesterday, called
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  Speaker 1: on and he said, well, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: groups besides a pack. But he didn't say a lot
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  Speaker 1: of groups. He said monsters a pack. It's pretty blatant.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's anti Semitic.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I agree with you entirely.
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  Speaker 3: If pressed, I think the other possible group, unofficial group,
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  Speaker 3: one might mention in this context, if one work like
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  Speaker 3: Zorra Mamdani is the Epstein class, which is which is
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  Speaker 3: another euphemism for Jews, or has become one. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: you know what's so interesting about that that that clip
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  Speaker 3: of Mamdani with all his revolutionary rhetoric.
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  Speaker 4: Does he sound like a mayor? Does he sound like
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  Speaker 4: a local?
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  Speaker 1: He's doing nothing about being a mayor. He's wearing a
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  Speaker 1: next jersey and he's surfing national fame.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, and this this applies to
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  Speaker 3: the socialists that he that he just into office as well.
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  Speaker 3: They're not interested in local politicans. They're on the first
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  Speaker 3: thing about local politics. Not that they know anything about
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  Speaker 3: national politics or international politics, but what their dream where
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  Speaker 3: their dreams are are about global issues in some sort
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  Speaker 3: of you know, historic framework having to do with.
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  Speaker 4: Marxism and socialism. It's all idiots.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I think it's just a stupid party. And I
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  Speaker 1: think Lander might not be a dummy. He's a University
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  Speaker 1: of Chicago trained He's been around New York for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. He may just be putting his sale tacking
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  Speaker 1: into the anti submit a can I isra a win,
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  Speaker 1: But the other two I don't think I've.
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  Speaker 2: Read a book.
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  Speaker 1: Valdez and Chevalier, I really don't think they've read a book.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a good development for a King Jeffries or
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  Speaker 1: a bad development for him?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I have a hard time seeing any of this as
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  Speaker 3: a good development for the Democrats at all, because I
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  Speaker 3: think the standard establishment Democrat response to the rise of
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  Speaker 3: the radicals is to support, support, support, support and see
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  Speaker 3: where it goes. And I think they look ridiculous doing this.
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  Speaker 3: When you watch you know, Rokanna or whomever else turn
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  Speaker 3: into the latest neosquadnik, it becomes clear that the establishment
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  Speaker 3: is being led by their noses, by these punks, and
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  Speaker 3: it's just not a good look.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be such a stupid look when
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  Speaker 1: they open their mouths in Congress. So a by just
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  Speaker 1: a minute before, ten minutes before I started talking to you,
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  Speaker 1: I got an invite from my friend Matt Brooks, who's
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  Speaker 1: executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, and Norm Coleman,
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  Speaker 1: who's their chair. Former Senator Coleman is a good friend,
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  Speaker 1: old radio friend, and they want me to come speaking
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  Speaker 1: at our JAC. Well, I'm a Republican, but I'm not Jewish.
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  Speaker 1: But I think they're doing the right thing. They're starting
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  Speaker 1: to say, Hey, everybody who supports Israel, come on in.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think maybe APAC needs to do more. I
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  Speaker 1: know they're open technically, but I really think the pro Israel,
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  Speaker 1: pro Western Coalition has to get the band back together
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  Speaker 1: again like they did in Reagan one with jan Or Patrick.
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  Speaker 3: Look, the more the merrier, has always been my you know,
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  Speaker 3: feelings about it, and I am perpetually thankful and grateful
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  Speaker 3: for the non Jewish supporters of Israel and the.
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  Speaker 4: Jews and America, by the way, which is which is?
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  Speaker 4: You know what all this comes down to.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not one to really ask about the machinations of
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  Speaker 3: successful lobbying, but yes, I am in favor of welcoming
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  Speaker 3: anyone on the team for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So my last question is, I don't really believe Israel
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  Speaker 1: is a fifty to fifty split in America. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's like eighty five percent in favor of Israel and
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  Speaker 1: the dummies who are young making up the fifteen percent.
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  Speaker 1: I know it polls differently, but my intuitive grasp of
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  Speaker 1: the American character is it's not, and I submit it
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  Speaker 1: in fact, that's repellent.
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  Speaker 2: Do you agree with me? Or are you more worried
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  Speaker 2: than I am.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more worried than you are, and I couldn't give
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  Speaker 3: you an exact breakdown, but I don't think it's as
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  Speaker 3: optimistic as yours, and I'm certain in the next five
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  Speaker 3: to ten to fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: Years it will be even.
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  Speaker 3: Less because we're seeing it's really a generational shift at
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  Speaker 3: work here.
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  Speaker 4: And as we lose.
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  Speaker 3: One generation of extraordinary Americans and supporters of the US
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  Speaker 3: and Israel and the US Israel Alliance, we are opening
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  Speaker 3: the door to another that has learned everything that they
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  Speaker 3: think they.
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  Speaker 4: Know about Israel from TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Yea factor stubborn though ay, the US and Israel flew
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  Speaker 1: wing to wing in the battle with Iran. Iran murdered
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  Speaker 1: forty thousand of its own people in January.
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  Speaker 2: Those are hard facts.
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  Speaker 1: The latter Iran is a theocrisy, and the dictatorship Israel
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  Speaker 1: in the United States are democratic allies in war. I'm
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  Speaker 1: more hopeful, but we shall see. Ed Greenwaald, Executive editor
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  Speaker 1: of Commentary. You ought to sign up for a daily
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  Speaker 1: morning newsletter at commentary dot org. Thank you, Abe. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be right back in America at stake tuner. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to America. I'm who Hewett considering to monitor reaction to
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  Speaker 1: Iran firing on the Singapore flag freighter and the straight
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  Speaker 1: of horror moves. I'll bring you up to speed on that. First,
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring in our friend Jonathan Williams from
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  Speaker 1: our sponsor to the American Legislative Exchange Council. A couple
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  Speaker 1: of times a month. Jonathan and I talked serious policy
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  Speaker 1: and I am in an brilliant mood because of your
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  Speaker 1: team sending me the news from Arizona. Jonathan, I knew
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  Speaker 1: that a few states that adopted the Working Family's Tax
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  Speaker 1: Cut Bill embrace of school choice. Arizona did that and
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  Speaker 1: more ch else. What Arizona did.
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  Speaker 7: Well, just so what I got back from Phoenix as
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  Speaker 7: they were wrapping up the budget, had the chance to
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  Speaker 7: be out there with legislative leaders, Hugh in the ground,
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  Speaker 7: and it was a great week for taxpayers in Arizona.
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  Speaker 7: As you know, they're dealing with a pretty liberal governor
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  Speaker 7: in Katie Hobbs. You have slight majorities on the Republican
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  Speaker 7: side in both houses of the legislature. But what they
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  Speaker 7: accomplished was the first state to fully enact a law
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  Speaker 7: to implement the Trump one Big Beautiful Bill Working Families
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  Speaker 7: Tax Cut Act into law in Arizona, not just for individuals,
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  Speaker 7: but also for employers by allowing for those really important
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  Speaker 7: pieces like the expensing and depreciation rules that were part
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  Speaker 7: of that package that are just amazing for job creation
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  Speaker 7: to keep Arizona's economy humming. But that's not all, Hue
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  Speaker 7: and the other thing they did was they protected school choice.
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  Speaker 7: Governor Hobbs has been a big opponent to school choice.
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  Speaker 7: As you know, the unions are right now circulating petitions
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  Speaker 7: waiting to have them certified for a potential ballot measure
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  Speaker 7: this fall. But also there was a huge fight over
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  Speaker 7: whether their current school choice plan would be fully funded.
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  Speaker 7: It's the number two second best plan in America according
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  Speaker 7: to our ALEC report, right after the Free State of Florida.
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  Speaker 6: And thankfully, not.
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  Speaker 7: Only did the legislators get it right on the tax
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  Speaker 7: cut angle, they got it right to protect school choice
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  Speaker 7: at the very same time. So it was a banner
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  Speaker 7: week for the good guys in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: So Jonathan Katie Hobbs is a far left governor. Do
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  Speaker 1: the Republicans have a super majority or did she just
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  Speaker 1: back away from vetoing either or both bills on school
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  Speaker 1: choice and expensing.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, the Republican majority is very narrow.
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  Speaker 7: It's only a couple of votes in each chamber, Hugh,
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  Speaker 7: And so they had to come together and negotiate. They
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  Speaker 7: were getting right up until the end of the fiscal
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  Speaker 7: year at the end of June here, and they negotiated Republicans,
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  Speaker 7: of course, didn't get everything they wanted, but they got
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  Speaker 7: a pretty good deal at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 7: with these huge picture, big picture items that they got
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  Speaker 7: across the finish line. And Arizona, as you know, has
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  Speaker 7: been a top five state in rich states poor states.
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  Speaker 7: Interestingly enough, Governor Hobbs people were taking credit for that,
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  Speaker 7: even though much of that process it was accomplished.
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  Speaker 6: Our good friend Doug Doosey.
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  Speaker 7: But nonetheless the legislators I think got the upper hand
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  Speaker 7: in this negotiation and saw a huge benefit for the taxpayers.
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  Speaker 6: More importantly, you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Think many states will be taking away school choice once
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  Speaker 1: parents get to use it. I really don't, Jonathan, that
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  Speaker 1: will be a rebellion. I hope we can talk about
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  Speaker 1: a July twenty two to twenty four when we're broadcasting
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  Speaker 1: from the ALEC gathering. Anyone from Arizona coming to the
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  Speaker 1: gathering in Orlando.
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  Speaker 6: Oh you bet.
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  Speaker 7: We have Senate President pro Temp TJ. Shop who's on
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  Speaker 7: our ALEC board, who interviewed I know he'll be there,
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  Speaker 7: and we're going to have a great Arizona delegation. Right
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  Speaker 7: after their primary concludes on that Tuesday, they're going to
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  Speaker 7: pick up and head out to Florida with us.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent, let's move to Oklahoma and find out what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing down in that state. Where the wind comes sweeping
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  Speaker 1: down the plane. A rage in the minimum white did
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  Speaker 1: not make come sweeping down the plane. And that's good
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  Speaker 1: news for everyone.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's another big victory, Hugh, and one that way
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  Speaker 7: probably well under the radar for most media outlets.
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  Speaker 6: But for your student watchers and listeners.
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  Speaker 7: Here on the Hugh Hewitt Show, you'll be very pleased
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  Speaker 7: to know that cooler heads did prevail in Oklahoma, where
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  Speaker 7: voters came and overwhelmingly rejected a measure that would have
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  Speaker 7: nearly doubled the state's minimum wage fifteen dollars an hour
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  Speaker 7: over time and made the state much less competitive. And so,
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  Speaker 7: you know how rare it is that when these measures
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  Speaker 7: go to the ballot box, when they're financed by left
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  Speaker 7: wing special interests, they have tons of money behind them,
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  Speaker 7: The supporters of a more free market, rational policy when
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  Speaker 7: it comes to minimum wage or out gunned.
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  Speaker 6: But this one went down in.
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  Speaker 7: Flames by about fourteen percentage points at the ballot box.
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  Speaker 7: And so, in my experience of watching this, I've never
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  Speaker 7: seen a minimum wage ballot measure fail by that much.
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  Speaker 6: And so the good folks in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 7: Did a really good job getting out and educating what
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  Speaker 7: this would have meant for job destruction in the policy
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  Speaker 7: that would have been in Oklahoma if they would have passed.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I be in California six weeks ago and score
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  Speaker 1: of Carls Junior's restaurants just closed because they have a
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  Speaker 1: minimum wage for restaurant workers in fast food joint they
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  Speaker 1: cannot make it work, and so a mandated minimum wage
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  Speaker 1: is a job killer. Meanwhile, up in the great state
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  Speaker 1: of Maine, they're paying twenty dollars an hour at mcdonald'.
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  Speaker 1: So it depends on the market and whether or not
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  Speaker 1: someone can make it work. You can't legislate this all
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  Speaker 1: right to the Bluegrass state. Kentucky legislators were in town
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  Speaker 1: this week. You were part of the group to greet one.
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  Speaker 1: What did they get done? And by the way, I
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  Speaker 1: love the fact that they annually go up in your ranking.
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  Speaker 1: They're like the little engine that could climb in the hill.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's a great point, you know.
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  Speaker 7: I spent the day with them there at the White House,
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  Speaker 7: had some great discussions with key leaders from the administration.
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  Speaker 7: Several members of the cabinet came and addressed the group.
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  Speaker 7: But Kentucky's been a state that's been doing some really
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  Speaker 7: amazing things. And to your point view, in the first
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  Speaker 7: edition of Riche State's Poor States, Kentucky ranked forty fourth
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  Speaker 7: for economic outlook.
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  Speaker 6: They've continued to improve. They didn't do it overnight.
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  Speaker 7: It's taken them nineteen years obviously to get where they're at.
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  Speaker 7: But Kentucky now is in at best ranking ever, moved
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  Speaker 7: up about twenty spots in the rankings, now in the
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  Speaker 7: top half.
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  Speaker 6: There's more to go.
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  Speaker 7: But as you know, under current law, Hue, they have
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  Speaker 7: a phase out of their personal income tax, so every
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  Speaker 7: time tax revenues continue to come in, they used part
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  Speaker 7: of it to buy down the income tax rate on.
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  Speaker 6: Individuals and small businesses.
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  Speaker 7: So look for Kentucky to continue to improve in the rankings,
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  Speaker 7: especially by doing things like opting into the One Big
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  Speaker 7: Beautiful Bill, doing education choice, the Trump accounts at the
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  Speaker 7: federal level, and looking at Medicaid waste, fraud and abuse,
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  Speaker 7: which was their HR one and HR II this legislative session.
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  Speaker 6: So I had a banner year in Kentucky as well.
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  Speaker 1: You sent me some name checks, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: go over them for you. Kentucky Senate President pro Tim
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  Speaker 1: David Gibbons, Speaker David Osborne, Representatives Kim Moser and TJ.
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  Speaker 1: Roberts were named ALEC Policy Champs. What gets you that
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  Speaker 1: honor from.
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  Speaker 7: ALEC wells a select group of legislators that are going
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  Speaker 7: out and really being the big movers and shakers of
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  Speaker 7: free market reforms and in their case, and Representative Moser
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  Speaker 7: is a great member of the ALEC Board of Directors.
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  Speaker 7: They led the effort to implement the Trump education tax
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  Speaker 7: credit at the federal level. Obviously their governor vetoed it,
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  Speaker 7: and Governor Basheer they override the veto and got that
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  Speaker 7: done for the great people of Kentucky.
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  Speaker 6: It was a huge win.
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  Speaker 7: It was obviously very helpful in some states like that
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  Speaker 7: where they've continued to override Governor Basheer's vetos. He likes
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  Speaker 7: to talk like a moderate, but he continues to veto
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  Speaker 7: common sense things like the education tax credits scholarship, which,
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  Speaker 7: by the way, you even Kathy Hokeel, governor of New York,
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  Speaker 7: has said that she would opt in. So that puts
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  Speaker 7: people like Governor Basher to the left of Governor Hokel
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  Speaker 7: So think about that. That probably shatters some people's political
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  Speaker 7: paradigms out there.
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  Speaker 1: Now, John, I know you're the president of ALEC and
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  Speaker 1: they're chief economists, but right behind you at the State
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  Speaker 1: of Michigan, I see it every time we do this. Now,
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  Speaker 1: are you ever going to turn that on its side
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  Speaker 1: or flip it? Because they're going down and they won't
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  Speaker 1: embrace anything.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, you know, I still got hope in my home
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  Speaker 7: state be as a Speaker Hall. You've had him on
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  Speaker 7: the show several times and he is really leading a
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: comeback when it comes to common sense. It's policy in
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Michigan hitting the waist fraud and abuse angle so we
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: don't become the next Minnesota. So I'm optimist. You know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: I'm an optimist to you. There's a lot of big
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: things going on this fall there. Voters have to make
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: some big decisions of what Michigan wants to be when
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: it grows up. Right, But if you've got people like
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: Speaker Hally in the way, I'm bullish on the future
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: of Michigan. We got to keep up with Ohio though,
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: because with the flat tax are going on, there's a
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: big competition I.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Hope you bring some of those Michiganders along with the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: people you were with in South Dakota this week down
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to Orlando the twenty second to the twenty fourth for
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the ALEC National Conference in July. Jonathan Williams, Happy fourth
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of July to you. I'll talk to you on the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: other side of our semiseus Quincentennial.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Eleanna Johnson, she's editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: She's also a regular on the commentary podcast. In fact,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I laughed out loud today when I was listening, Eliana,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and you said that when your father would quote you
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the old saying to be young and not to be
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a liberal is to have no heart, and to be
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: old and not to be a conservative have no brain,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you said that I'm a coult Arted monster as a teenager.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Dad the smamo Scott Johnson. I'm sure he did not
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: attribute that that Churchill. Churchill did not say that. Did
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: he correct that, or did he get it right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: I don't think he ever attributed it to Churchill.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Good good, But I laughed when you had that to say.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Now, Eleanna, you lived in New York City, I lived
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: there a long time ago, in nineteen eighty.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I would not live there today. Would you live there today?
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: No, Certainly tuesdays that well, if Mayor Mom Donnie's election
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: hadn't driven me out, certainly Tuesday's primary results would have
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: caused me to flee to friendlier climbs, show, friendlier ideological
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: climbs and Hugh, I mean, even even many Democrats have
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: to be thinking the same thing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: If I were Jewish in New York, I would be afraid,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: because I think the radicals are empowered by things like
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that and the rhetoric that we heard over the last month.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: It was astonishingly Anni submitted the most outspokenly anti submittic.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, Mom Donnie standing up there and saying the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: new world is dying and new World is arriving, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: there are monsters out there, and he mentions, Apak, what
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen in New York?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: There are going to be attacks?
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, and then the mayor coming out and saying, oh,
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: you know what. Poetica is the name of the coffee
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: shop that attacked Dan Goldman and said he wasn't welcome.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: Representative Dan Goldman, who was defeated in his primary by
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: the Mom Donnie backed Comptroller Brad Lander and Mayor Mom
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: Donnie said that one too far, and yet his rhetoric
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: is precisely what contributes.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: To the action.
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: That the coffee shop took in saying that you're not welcome,
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: and it was frustrating. I have to say you to
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: hear Goldman go on CNN and say he didn't think
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: the DOJ should could Civil Rights Division should investigate that
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: incident because it happened to happen to Dan Goldman, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: it could happen to any American who supports Israel, or
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: to any Jewish American in New York City. So it
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: would have been nice to hear from Goldman, who happened
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: to be the victim in this case, that yes, they
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: absolutely should investigate, because any Jew and any supporter of
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: Israel should be able to go into any coffee shop
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: in New York and order a coffee and be treat
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: you know, and patronize the establishment. This is the sort
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: of thing that the civil rights movement was fought over.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: This is the law.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It's just simply the law that you may not discriminate
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: if you're a public accommodation on the basis of religion, ethnicity, background, alienage,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: any of those things, and certainly not race. So Eliana,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: what's it due to the Democratic Party? Does it deeply
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: damage the Democrats in November?
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not quite sure we know yet, Hugh.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: But I do think that the views of some of
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: these nominees in New York, in particular dary Eliza Avula Chevalier,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: who believes in no prisons, no borders, no private property,
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: these will be hung around the neck of every Democratic nominee.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: And in the same way Republicans were asked to account
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: for everything Donald Trump said, certainly Democrats will be asked
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: to account for the things that members that these new
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: members of their party who are running for Congress have said.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: And just last night we saw on MSNBC DAC not AOC,
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: but DAC Daryliza Chevalier, asked on MSNBC by Ali Velshie
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: whether she's a communist, chose not to answer the question
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: but instead say this question doesn't matter. She's changing the
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: terms of the conversation, which is just astonishing because in
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: fact she she's a pro communist.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: As is grand Platner. Grand Plattner and Mayne called himself
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a communist. I'm glad you said, Dai, go ahead.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: Oh, I was just going to say, Hugh, you know
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: what I think will be interesting to see in November
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: is the following We've seen these sorts of candidates win
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: in deep blue urban areas where the DSA is mobilized.
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: November we'll test whether they can expand their reaches into
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: places like Maine where Grand Platner is running where you
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: just mentioned, into places like Michigan where Abdulahl Sayette is
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: on the ballot, and whether this group is really the
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: future of the Democratic Party or whether the squad is
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: just going to get a little bit bigger and be
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: a thorn in the side of Democratic leadership in the House.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: What do you think happened to the Jewish Democrats of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: high profile like Josh Shapiro, Governor Pennsylvania, John Assoff, Senator
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: from Georgia. Does their party turn on them or do
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they get a pass because they're a useful vote?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Well, there's also J. V.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: Pritzker, the governor of Illinois who's an aspiring Democratic presidential nominee.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: And Ram Emmanuel, the former mayor of Chicago, former ambassador
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: to Japan another aspiring presidential nominee. So several of the
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Democratic presidential nominees say they're supporters of Israel and they are.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Jewish. What we have not.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: Seen, Hugh, is line drawing, boundary drawing by members of
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: Democratic leadership. So we will see if the Democratic presidential
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: primary serves to do some of this. But I have
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: not seen it from a single member of the Democratic leadership.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Ram Emmanuel would be as forgiving as Dan Goldman. Do
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you think Rama Manuel would be forgiving of the poetic owner?
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I think you'd have the FEDS there tomorrow.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you, Hugh.
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: And I also don't think any of the four aspiring
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: Jewish presidential nominees on the Democratic side who we just mentioned,
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: I don't think they will be the nominee. And it
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: is partly because they're Jewish.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, one bar, one more question. Iran fired on a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: freighter flag Singapore today. They hit the control room. What
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: do you think we'll do, will be in the United States?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Anything?
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: I don't know, Hugh, But I've thought since the beginning
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: of this, we've been in somewhat of a back and
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: forth messaging war with Iran, and this is one of
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: the and I've thought Iran would test the boundaries of
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: this MoU. This appears to be the first real test
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: of that, and it will be I think important that
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: the US respond in a way. This was a Singaporean
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: commercial vessel that Iran wanted to restrict passage in the
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: Strait to one of its lanes that is not an
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: open straight and this commercial ship was not going through
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: the Strait in one of Iran's lanes, and Iran fired
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: on this ship. That is a violation of the MoU.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: And I think it's incumbent on us to respond in
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: some way, either reimposing the blockade or cutting off some
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: of the frozen fund.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: That we've released.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: So there should be a.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Response, absolutely, because they're going to keep doing it and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: doing it and doing it because that's who they are
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and that's what they do. And unless we respond, they'll
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: do it again. People will lose their lives. Eleana Y
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Johnson On ex editor of The Free Beacon and joined
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: now by an old friend of the program, Mary Kissel.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: She used to be senior counselor to the Secretary of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: State Mike Pompeo, and Trump won she's now at the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Hudson Institute, and we are glad to have her here
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: talking to us. Mary, how have you been and what
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: did you make globally of our conflict with Iran, which
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I think is in halftime.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's over. I think it's halftime.
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: Well, it's just fantastic to be back with you, Hugh. Look,
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: I think you ought to start by giving credit where
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: credit is due. We haven't had a US president, Republican
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: or Democrat, that has used kinetic force against the Islamic
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: Republic until this president. Unfortunately, I think he made a
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: mistake when he put the CEA spar in place a
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: bit prematurely, and that allowed Iran to put, as you
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: so well chronicled, you other issues on the table that
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: weren't on the table before, namely the straight of Wurmuz,
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: the proxies, let you know, Lebanon, everything that we're talking
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: about now Iran has put on the table. What we
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: want to talk about is the nuclear program, and that's
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: really what's going to bring stability to the region, is
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: to denuclearize this very radical regime, the world's largest state
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: sponsor of terrorism. So I'm glad to hear you say
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: it's on the on the halfway mark.
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: You.
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: I hope you're right, because given history, I just don't
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: have much faith that these talks are going to yield
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: what the President wants them to yield.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm referencing back to the Phony War of nineteen
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: thirty nine to forty after Germany of Blitzkergig Poland, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: before they invaded France. There were seven months there when
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: nothing happened, but the war with one side was preparing
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: for Do you think we're doing what we need to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: prepare for war right now?
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: Well, I've said for a very long time that not
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: only we unprepared for the conflicts of the future, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: we're still stuck in the thinking of the past, meaning
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: that you know, we think in bilateral terms that this
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: is a you know, an Israeli a Ron conflict, or
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: a Russia Ukraine conflict, or a China Taiwan potential conflict.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: That's wrong.
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: That's not how the world works. And I know you
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: and I have talked about that in the past. You
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: these are wars of proxies and blocks. The Iranian regime
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: doesn't just threaten Israel, it threatens all the free nations
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: of Europe. Its tentacles reach into our hemisphere and they're
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: aided by China and Russia. Are we prepared for that?
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: Is that how we're talking about these threats? No, and
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: I also think that, you know, we're not well prepared
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: for the threats that we face here in the homeland.
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: But that's a little bit off topic for you, Hugh.
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: I know you probably want to stay in the Middle East.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I want to stay actually with Secretary of State Rubio
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: today and then we're going to come back to China
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: because that you and I share this common concern. Here's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Jerry Rubio and bah Rain today getting a question about
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the nature of Islamic regime cut number two.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Ship you used to call them, you did?
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: You used to call them religious.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Theocratic lunatics. Do you still believe that language applies to
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the leadership today?
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: Well, it's not that I believe it, it's the fact
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: of the matter. I mean, the Iranian system is led
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: by clerics, radical clerics. That's what it's always been led by,
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: and that's what it continues to be led by. That said,
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: we also have to manage the geopolitics of the situation.
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: And then there's an opera. If they've changed their mindset,
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: or if they've changed their approach to their relations with
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: the United States and their neighbors, then we're going to
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: give this thing a chance to work.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's changed. I'm not saying it has. I'm saying
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: the President wants to explore.
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: Whether that's the case, and if it has, we're going
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: to find out. But we're not going to find out
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: because of what they say. We're going to find out
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: because of what they do. We're going to judge them
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: by their actions, and we'll test that proposition and see.
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: No one says it's going to be easy, because I
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: think at the end, we know that people that are
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: still at the top levels of that government are people
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: that are here to the same theology and the same
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: mentality as the people that have let it in the past.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: They've got some people in the political branches that seem
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: more flexible and more willing to work with us. Those
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: are the ones we're negotiating with. We'll see how it
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: works out.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Mary, I'm very skeptical that the twelve vers can be
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: other than the twelve vers.
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: What do you think, Well, I think it's very important
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: that you have a Cabinet official and also concurrently National
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: Security advisor talking about the nature of the counterparty. That
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: is deeply important because it effectively sets the terms of
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: what is possible if you have enough leverage to bring
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: them to the table. Now, what Secretary Rubio didn't talk
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: about is the role of the IRGC and just how
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: much leverage the IRGC has over these radical clerics. In
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: other words, is this regime now being run by revolutionaries
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: Mulla's or is it being run by the hard men
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: of the militants? And I think it's the latter, which
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: suggests that you know, again something we've known for a
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: long time, that the Iranians know that the revolution is bankrupt.
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: Do we know that the revolution is bankrupt? And you
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: are we dealing with men here that we can really
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: have some leverage over absent kinetic activity, or we're dealing
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: with people we can effectively buy off, or are we
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: dealing with true believers who will never surrender. I think
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: that's an open question, Hugh for the time being, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: I don't think we have complete information.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: What's remarkable to me, Mary, before I go to China
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is that Western media has forgotten or chooses not to remember,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that this regime executed forty thousand of their own people
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: in January. It's not like it was decades ago, like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Tianeman Square. It was January. They mowed down forty thousand people.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That regime's not going to change. There are too many
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: people with blood on their hands. Am I right about that?
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: I think you're absolutely right. You know, I was just
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: over in Europe of speaking last week and got a
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: lot of questions about US leadership, and you know, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: spoke at length about it. But one thing that I said,
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: and I'll reiterate it here, is that the one thing
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: that Trump two.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Lacks is moral leadership.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: We don't talk about the fact that, you know, our
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: way of life, our capitalist system, our republic, our democracy
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: is a superior to other forms of democracy. And that's
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: why when we pursue our national interest, it's fundamentally for
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: the good as opposed to Iran pursuing its national interest.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: We're not talking about the fate of the Iranian people
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: and how we hope their fundamental human rights will be upheld.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: You know, this isn't just the province of the left.
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: You this is something that US foreign policy, It's an
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: integral part of it. That we talk about the moral
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: case for intervention. I'm not saying that that's the whole thing.
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: I'm not, you know, advocating huge democratization projects. But what
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: I am saying is that if you don't talk about
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: that piece, then we lose our leverage and we lose
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: our credibility with the Iranian people, who are ultimately, at
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: the end of the day, as you point out in
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: what you just said, the real victims here of the regime,
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: and they have been for more than forty years.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: All right, So, Mary, I want to close with a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: few minutes on the reaction or the unexpected reaction from
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the People's Republic of China. They demonstrated an ability to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: draw down their demand for oil overnight like that. I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: had no idea that they could do that. That's a
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: strategic surprise to me that they're not as oil dependent
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: on the oceans as I thought they were. What did
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you see from China during this war where they were
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: on the first forty days.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I don't like calling it the
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: People's Republic of China because it implies that they have
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: the buy in of the people. It's a tutalitarian regimes
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: that's the first thing to say to acknowledge the nature
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: of the regime. Secondly, yeah, it was a strategic surprise, Hugh,
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: but it's not an infinite supply of energy that they have. Ultimately,
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: their strategic oil reserves will on out, just like ours will.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: They can't power themselves on the wind and the sun.
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: They do import a lot of their energy supplies. But
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: you know, the other aspect of this is I think
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: we're starting to see the fruits of their no limits
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: partnership with Russia and also the deals that they've done
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: with Iran. These three anti freedom, anti Western nations are
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: cooperating together as a block, and that's how we should
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: be approaching them. You know, I was heartened today to
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: see the Trump administration ban Pollstar, a big electric car company,
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: for the threats and the components that are included in
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: that vehicle. We're starting to decouple, Hugh. But again, we're
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: not doing it forthrightly. We're not saying to the American people, Hey,
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: this is the new world that we face, this is
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: how we see it playing out over the next ten years.
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: This is the urgency that we have to start to
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: build our capabilities and to really educate the people that
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: I talk to the most which your CEOs and boards,
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: about the urgency and the quickness of how these how
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: far these changes are going, and how fast they're moving.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Mary, let's close on one of my criticisms of the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: current administration and President Trump and I've disagreed about this publicly.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I think you ought to have shut down TikTok. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: believe some of the election results on Tuesday night in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: New York is because of TikTok infiltrating young people's feeds
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and feeding them lies about the West and about freedom
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and about free enterprise. What do you think of the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: tech talk settlement that's been reached.
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: I think that TikTok is a small part of a
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: much larger problem. And I think that the danger is
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: that members of Congress focus on TikTok and say, well,
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: if we solve this, our problem is over. When the
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: real problem Q are the vaults and the Salt Typhoon
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: hacks that are from my understanding still ongoing. That China
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: can shut down all of our networks right now, read
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: our text messages, listen to our phone calls. The fact
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: that they've probably got tens of thousands of people in
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: the country the fact that many of our most important corporations,
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: Tesla and others have effectively been bought off by China
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: and serve as mouthpieces for the regime. To me, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: you put that all together, plus their covert nuclear program,
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: the biological chemical weapons program. I mean, you go right
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: down the list. These are much bigger problems, much more
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: dangerous to the American people, and yet we don't talk
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: about it because it's just a lot easier for politicians
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: to talk about TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: It is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Mary, always a breath of fresh air and a reminder
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of what matters in the world to talk to. Don't
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: be a stranger. Mary Kissel with the Hudson Foundation, always
• 37:44
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• 37:47
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• 37:49
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• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the googw at chef. Welcome back to America. I'm Jui
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: now by Victor Reno Matis. He is the co host
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: of the Getting Hammered podcast number two over at the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Washington Free Beacon. There Weekend in their Culture and Arts
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: editor as well, and he got to be their food
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: critic because in the most recent edition of Getting Hammered,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: which is very amusing just out this week, Vic reviews
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: McDonald's deep deep fry apple Pie. Now, I got serious
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: stuff to get to before, I mean, after we do this,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: But Vic, you can persuade me to eat at McDonald's
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: deep fry apple pie in one hundred years. When did
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you begin addicted your addiction to deep fry apple pie.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I think since I was a child.
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: You know, McDonald's, Hugh always had a couple options for
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: a quote unquote dessert as if the regular meal wasn't.
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: Enough for you.
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: One of them was the cookies, which a lot of
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: people say, bring back the old style cookies from the
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: nineteen eighties. But the other one was, of course the
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: deep fried apple pie that was flat fried in mostly
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: beef tallow So it's the same oil they use for
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: the fries back in the day that a rather beefy flavor.
• 39:02
  Speaker 12: I was about seventy three percent beef tallow and then
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: the rest was vegetable oil. Nowadays it's going to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: all vegetable oil. But nevertheless, as I mentioned on the
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: show on Getting Hammered, Hugh, it is fewer calories, fewer sugar.
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: It is in a very weird but very maha way
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: healthier than the baked alternative. So I'm celebrating this and
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: it's going to be around for the next couple of weeks.
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: So I figured an apple, an apple pie a day,
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: we'll keep the doctor away.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Is it any good?
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's fantastic. If you've never had it, Hugh, you
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: absolutely must.
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: I was on a trip to Germany several years ago
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: to cover the German elections. I was there with a friend,
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: Mike Shields from the Republican National Committee at the time,
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: and he bought me my apple deep fried apple pie.
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: We were sitting there in Wisbotten in the western part
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: of Germany, and it's you know, it's available in Germany,
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: but it was no longer available in the States.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: So this is a very exciting moment. America two fifty,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: America two fifty.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the elections in New York.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You're a New Jersey guy. How did the Communists do
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 12: Well, they've already had a bit of a head start,
• 40:12
  Speaker 12: as you know, Hugh. There were several candidates who had
• 40:15
  Speaker 12: won their primaries. One in northern New Jersey, a particular
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: woman who will probably be elected to Congress, and she's
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: very much openly defund ice, so she's going to be
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: in good company. But when it comes to the actual
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: DSA members, people like Daria Liza Avela Chevalier and Claire Valdez,
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: for example, the other ones in the Tri state area,
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: don't hold a candle to them.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, these people are hardcore. You know, Brad Lander
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: defeating Dan Goldman, that's insane.
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: And Dan Goldman, who is not exactly the most pro
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: Israel he's certainly not a conservative, and being denied service
• 40:59
  Speaker 12: from that cop shop.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's how bad things are over there.
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: So I'd say that while things you know aren't great
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: in New Jersey, things are a lot worse in the
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: Big Apple.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Right now, all.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Right, let's work through the name of miss Chevalier. How
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: did you say, can you go slow for me? Because
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: when you get into double digit syllables, I have trouble.
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: Yes, Well, her first name is Daria Liza, and then
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: Avila is the middle name, and I pronounced it the
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: French way Chevalier. I don't know if it's Chevalier like
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: the way you know, but think about Chevrolet. That's the
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: way I'm going with it, and I'm going with Ma Chevalier, but.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Avila Chevet Chevalier.
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: So do we get a limit on I think Eli
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: Lake by the way, I think Eli Lake is called
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: referring to her as Chevalier Minehoff in a tribute to Ulrica.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Minehoff of the better Minehoff Gang.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Eli's pretty funny. So how bad is this for the Democrats.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Eleanna Johnson about this. I talked to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Abe Greenwald about that. Let's get a third take of
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a new Jersey. How bad is this for Democrats?
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 12: It's seriously bad, Hugh, because you have people such as
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: Nancy Pelosi obviously the Speaker emeritus, so she's no longer
• 42:18
  Speaker 12: the Speaker of the House. But you also have Hakeem
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: Jeffries and you have Chuck Schumer in the Senate. They're
• 42:24
  Speaker 12: supporting incumbents, They're supporting traditional establishment type Dems.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: These are people who very much hate Donald Trump.
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: These are people very much of the left, and yet
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: it wasn't enough for them, because, as you know, the
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: revolution devours its own and so now they.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Have a very serious problem on their hands.
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: They're downplaying it obviously in the press, and even I
• 42:44
  Speaker 12: think New York's Governor Kathy Hogel made the absurd statement
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: that they're more unified than ever. Obviously that is not true,
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: especially when you especially when you hear the chance of
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: you know, Hakeem Jeffries your next I think they mean
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: that this is a hijacking of the Democratic Party.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: And it's not just you know, trying to get into
• 43:05
  Speaker 12: d C and working with their colleagues.
• 43:09
  Speaker 13: Not at all.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: They're ready to shake things up. They may not be
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: that familiar.
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: With how the lovers of power work here on Capitol Hill,
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: but they're going to find out the hard way.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Now the left wing hurt has been thinned.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: We lost Jamal Billman and a couple of others on
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Cory Boy Bush. I think are they back up in
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: numbers to where they were four years ago?
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: I think I think that they may be more than
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: more than matching.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Where they were earlier.
• 43:37
  Speaker 12: In this sort of squad two point zero, there's another
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: candidate out and candidate out in Colorado as a matter
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: of fact.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: And then if you throw in the mayors.
• 43:45
  Speaker 12: For that matter, such as Mom Donnie or who is
• 43:48
  Speaker 12: going to be the next mayor in Washington, d C.
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: They're they're in very good shape the DSA, So again
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: it is something definitely to be feared.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: They're playing a very dangerous game.
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: It's very very awkward here on Capitol Hill because you
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: have DSA members working side by side with Democratic incumbents
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: who are going to be out of a job, you know,
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: this time next year. So it's this weird, very awkward,
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: delicate dance they're playing of. I think Alexandria Cosio Hortez
• 44:16
  Speaker 12: is very careful to be endorsing DSA members at the
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: state level, and Mom Donnie is going for the House endorsements,
• 44:25
  Speaker 12: as you know, which is very interesting.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I think Chuck Schumer, if ASA runs for president,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: he's not out of the woods because Mamdani might want
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to be a senator. Let me turn all I can
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: to the fact that while tanker traffic through the Strait increase, today,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the Iranians attacked a freighter Singapore flag and they shot
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: into it. No one was killed or injured, but they
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: dismantled the deck, the commander's deck, with live fire.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: What do we do about that?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: I really do think the president is going to have
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: to respond in some way, shape or form.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a bad situation.
• 45:00
  Speaker 12: I think that the America that the United States is
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: finding itself in right now, hugh, because on the one hand,
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: we're giving them plenty of chances to make amends and
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: and uh, we're extending that olive branch.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: But you know how they like to tease us. They're
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: masters of the long con.
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: They are making money by selling oil and US dollars
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: every single day.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: And and we are trying to give them the benefit of.
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: The doubt uh where we haven't you know, unfrozen the
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: assets yet. But certainly the fact that they're able to
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: make money from selling oil.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Uh buys them time. And that's what they want to do.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: And President Trump has to show them that he means business. UH.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: And if you have to shut down the straight the
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: hard way, then he needs to.
• 45:41
  Speaker 12: It's going to be very difficult to deal with the
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: regime because it still stands.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: I think it's kind of wishful thinking, uh to think
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: that this is the new and improved IRGC and they
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: want to you know, uh mendor ways, I think it's
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: the same old IRGC, and they're calling the shots, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: we the United States can not afford to be to
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: look ridiculous, and certainly not the president or vice president.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: And so they think they need to take a tougher stance.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: We got thirty seconds, Vic. The International Maritime Organization is
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: positive evacuation of ships from the Gulf through to the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: ciev al Mont. What do you think they do? We
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: have to strike them quickly in order to make the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: reciprocity obvious.
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Again, the sooner the better.
• 46:21
  Speaker 12: In that region, the only thing that they recognize is
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: course and the act of compromises seen as weakness.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: I think that's the way it's always been. It's the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: way it's always going to be.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You, Vic mathis always good to see you, and I'll
• 46:32
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• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I'm too, Hewett.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Josh Froschauer, as editor in chief of Jewish Insidery, joins
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: me weekly to give me a view of what Americans
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of Jewish descent think about what's going on in America, Josh,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Tuesday Night, New York. What's your reaction?
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: She We've talked about this before that Jewish Americans have
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: been alarmed at the rising tolerance of anti Semitism in
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: many of these races within the Democratic Party, and the
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: clear evolution to becoming much more hostile, if not you know, critical,
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: or hostile to Israel, with even more moderate or less
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: extreme candidates taking pretty pretty critical views of the Jewish
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: state when most of the party was once lockstep behind
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: the US Israel Alliance.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: So this is nothing new to Jewish voters.
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: But boy, oh boy, the type of radical extremists who
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: have you know, we have an instance in the Chevalier
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: candidacy who beat the head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
• 47:49
  Speaker 14: She's an outright communist who is pro Hamas. Like there's
• 47:52
  Speaker 14: no she has. She went to a rally celebrating the
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: Hamas attack against Israel the day after October seventh, like
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: there's no in the And there's a whole lot of
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: other things in her record that people are just horrified by.
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: But I think we talked on the show last month
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: about the Democrats nominated a candid in New Jersey, in
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: a pretty Jewish district actually that was affiliated with Islamist
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: and even an Al Qaeda group in the nineteen nineties,
• 48:17
  Speaker 14: was an associate of the Blind Shaik, who was the
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: inspiration behind the First World Trade Center bombing. I mean
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: the notion that these anti Semitic extremist radicals have been
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: able to get through primaries Democratic primaries in these districts.
• 48:29
  Speaker 14: It's something new, and I think New York for some reason,
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: the media finally woke up to the fact that the
• 48:33
  Speaker 14: Democratic Party has a radical asm issue, and it's one
• 48:36
  Speaker 14: that is going to be pretty late to turn around.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: The DSA is anti West, anti America, anti Israel, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic. And I don't think there's an argument here.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: What I'd like to know, and I don't know if
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you've done any reporting on this, Josh or anyone who
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: are a Jewish insider, When did Chevalier go off the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: rails like you don't end up being an anti semi
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: by accident something somebody gets a hold of your brain,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you get the brain virus.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Where did that happen to her? Do we know?
• 49:06
  Speaker 15: Well?
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: Columbia University. She was a student at Columbia.
• 49:09
  Speaker 14: She's actually spent many, many years as a PhD student
• 49:11
  Speaker 14: at Columbia University. She was one of the leaders who
• 49:15
  Speaker 14: of the encampments anti Israel and Antisomitica encampments on that
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: college campus.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: That is obvious.
• 49:20
  Speaker 14: I don't know every course she's taken at Columbia University,
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: but we know the history of the Middle Eastern Studies
• 49:25
  Speaker 14: program and the international studies programs at Columbia University.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: So look, Josh, I don't think the audience knows the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: history of the Columbia Middle East Studies program and how
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: it actually began his Orientalism and then just metastasized into
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: rad Central.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: How many years did that take?
• 49:44
  Speaker 14: Boy? I mean I remember post nine to eleven. I
• 49:46
  Speaker 14: mean when I was listening to you back in the day, Hugh,
• 49:48
  Speaker 14: when you know after nine to eleven and Columbia University's
• 49:52
  Speaker 14: Middle Eastern Studies department was the epicenter of blaming America
• 49:55
  Speaker 14: for the nine to eleven attacks in New York City.
• 49:58
  Speaker 14: So I mean, this is this goes back a long ways, KHALIDI, right?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 50:03
  Speaker 14: I think that's they have some very prominent professors who
• 50:07
  Speaker 14: are sort of the successors of Edward said, but I
• 50:09
  Speaker 14: think are more even more radical than he was. And they,
• 50:12
  Speaker 14: you know, recently, like defended the October seventh attacks and
• 50:15
  Speaker 14: have dealt I mean at that the very famous elite
• 50:17
  Speaker 14: Stephonic campus president hearing we're confronted with some of these
• 50:22
  Speaker 14: professor's comments after October seventh and how they tolerated terrorism. So,
• 50:27
  Speaker 14: I mean, this is this is nothing new. But you're right,
• 50:28
  Speaker 14: this has been going on for quite some time.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: How Chevellier give you an even one serious interview where
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: she's asked, Okay, let's talk about the collapse of the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire. What do you think should have happened? It's
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like going back to ground zero. The Ottoman Empire collapses
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: after World War One, and the British Mandate arrives and
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the UN blesses Israel and Jordan, and then.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: It all history just follows. Does she know any of that?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Do you think?
• 50:54
  Speaker 14: I don't think she's read the Looming Tower, and I
• 50:56
  Speaker 14: don't think she have a knowledge of anything.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: She should come on your I'd like to hear that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I've interview can never go in arms way, Josh, have
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: any serious question.
• 51:06
  Speaker 14: But no, I mean, it's not well, look, I think
• 51:10
  Speaker 14: this is a larger issue because Ma'm Donnie Hugh, Mam
• 51:12
  Speaker 14: Donnie champion.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: She was a nobody.
• 51:14
  Speaker 14: No one had ever heard of her until a few
• 51:16
  Speaker 14: weeks ago. She was championed and recruited by Mayor Mom
• 51:19
  Speaker 14: Donnie specifically because of her ties to the DSA and
• 51:24
  Speaker 14: how radical she is. This was not about affordability like that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 14: That's such a mirage that that a lot of you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 14: Mam Donnie defenders have utilized. He won because of affordability.
• 51:34
  Speaker 14: It is the certainly the anti Israel and anti Semitic
• 51:37
  Speaker 14: elements of the ideology, but a whole slew of other
• 51:41
  Speaker 14: radical DSA positions.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's pro Russia. She said she's rooting for
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Russia to defeat Ukraine.
• 51:46
  Speaker 14: And in Europe she has, you know, wants abolished prisons.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: This this is a deep seated.
• 51:51
  Speaker 14: Ideology that Mam Donnie was very immersed in obviously, and
• 51:54
  Speaker 14: recruited candidates specifically for their kind of at least in
• 51:58
  Speaker 14: the two races, the Chevalier and Valdez specifically for their
• 52:02
  Speaker 14: adherence of this DSA you know platform, it's.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: A burn it all down ideology. I want to play
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Mayor Mamdani for you on Monday night at the last rally.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Here is the mayor doing his thing.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: The old world is dying and the new world struggles
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: to be born. Now is the time of monsters. These
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: monsters take many forms today, and those who fund television
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: ads that blanket the airways with misleading and bat faith
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: at tax about Claire, Brad and Darry those who would
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: rather spend far more on political contributions than they would
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: ever be made to pay in taxes.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: In a pack, A pack, John, The monsters are a pack.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Oh I symitic? Do you have to be to get
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: called an agemine?
• 52:49
  Speaker 14: Well, you know, all you have to do is say
• 52:51
  Speaker 14: apak in a Democratic primary, even outside of New York City,
• 52:53
  Speaker 14: and that's become I mean, I will say that, like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 14: you know, the further you get away from cities and
• 52:58
  Speaker 14: when you get into a swing district, generally the stuff
• 53:01
  Speaker 14: doesn't play. But the tolerance for it is still there,
• 53:04
  Speaker 14: and it's become a tactic that even people outside the
• 53:07
  Speaker 14: far left are starting to use. And that's a very
• 53:09
  Speaker 14: alarming sign. And then the fact that you know, basically
• 53:12
  Speaker 14: Mamdannie is saying that that Jewish donors who support Israel
• 53:15
  Speaker 14: are monsters leaving and by the way, recruiting candidates who's
• 53:20
  Speaker 14: you know, specifically differentiated from their opponents because they did
• 53:24
  Speaker 14: not like Israel and in two of the three cases
• 53:27
  Speaker 14: for Congress, did not even believe the Jewish state should exist.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: That they they have.
• 53:31
  Speaker 14: That extreme Israel is that defining the anti Israel space
• 53:37
  Speaker 14: that Mamdannie operates in. Is how he got into politics
• 53:40
  Speaker 14: in the first place. It's his family's background. I mean,
• 53:42
  Speaker 14: this is this is the milieu that he operates in.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: So there's no coincidence.
• 53:45
  Speaker 14: Anyone who's been paying attention knows that affordability is sort
• 53:47
  Speaker 14: of not not the main focus for Mamdanni, even though
• 53:50
  Speaker 14: he likes to say that because it's more politically palatable.
• 53:53
  Speaker 14: He is an anti Israel radical to his core, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 14: it shows and the candidates he endorsed and championed and
• 53:58
  Speaker 14: funded to win these three Congressionals seats.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And I hope that voters across I said this on
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Hannity last night. I hope the voters across the country
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: keep those three candidates in mind when they vote for
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: whoever in their district and just vote Republican. Because the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Democrats made a big, big review. Josh Crossauer, editor in
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: chief of The Jewish Insiders. Thank you, Josh, I'll be
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: right back in America. We begin the hour with Jacob Helberg,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Under Secretary of State for Economic Growth, Energy in the Environment.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: He is new to d C, though he is not
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: new to the subject matter. Under Secretary Helbert Well, welcome.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: How did you end up doing this? This is not
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: an ordinary job.
• 54:36
  Speaker 15: Well, first of all, it's great to be here. I
• 54:38
  Speaker 15: ended up doing this completely by happenstance. I found myself
• 54:41
  Speaker 15: to be incredibly inspired by President Trump's leadership during the campaign,
• 54:46
  Speaker 15: and when he offered me to serve as someone who's
• 54:49
  Speaker 15: worked in the private sector. It was inspiring because I
• 54:52
  Speaker 15: knew that President Trump would be a president for change.
• 54:55
  Speaker 15: I knew he wouldn't be a typical politician. I knew
• 54:59
  Speaker 15: he had the instincts of a builder and someone who
• 55:02
  Speaker 15: was willing to bring about action and decisive leadership.
• 55:06
  Speaker 16: And so it's being on the servant cabinet.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So before we get the pack, Silica, which I'm most
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: interested in, tell me a little bit about the Hill
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: and Valley Forum, because I'm glad to know that a
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: group of people from the Valley and the Hill are
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: interested in China espionage and basically taking of our intellectual
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: property and our ai ability.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: How did you get that started?
• 55:34
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so I worked at Google in a previous life
• 55:38
  Speaker 15: and during that time, and I actually worked there during
• 55:42
  Speaker 15: the now infamous Project Maven debacle. During that time, I
• 55:46
  Speaker 15: realized that there was a huge amount of distrust that
• 55:50
  Speaker 15: had grown between Silicon Valley and Washington, d C. And
• 55:55
  Speaker 15: at a time when everyone was focused beyond the relationship
• 55:59
  Speaker 15: between Washington and China, I realized that in a deeper level,
• 56:04
  Speaker 15: one of the most important relationships driving the strength of
• 56:07
  Speaker 15: our country was actually between the Bay Area and Washington,
• 56:11
  Speaker 15: between the innovators and policymakers who are both in the
• 56:15
  Speaker 15: business of building the future. Policymakers use the laws of
• 56:19
  Speaker 15: man and innovators use the laws of nature. And so
• 56:23
  Speaker 15: I set out to start the Hill and Value Forum
• 56:27
  Speaker 15: with two friends of the time from the tech industry
• 56:30
  Speaker 15: to help create a platform to actually repair this very
• 56:34
  Speaker 15: broken relationship.
• 56:36
  Speaker 16: And it's been.
• 56:37
  Speaker 15: Remarkable to see how far that relationship has gone. And now,
• 56:42
  Speaker 15: I mean the Hill and Valley Forum has lines around
• 56:45
  Speaker 15: the block. It's really really incredible to see how closely
• 56:49
  Speaker 15: we work together.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Well now on this program.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Another is people like Joe Lonsdale, people like Alex Karp,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Mike Gallagher, all the wonderful Sean all of them come
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: on talk about private sector. So I'm glad that's over
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: the head of Anderil's strategy was on last week talking
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: about the submersibles.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Let me go then to pack Silica. Tell us what
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Tell us what do Australia, Greece, Israel, Japan, Cutter, the
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Republic of Korea, Singapore, UA, the United Kingdom, Sweden, and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the US are doing in pac Silica.
• 57:24
  Speaker 16: Absolutely so.
• 57:26
  Speaker 15: Pac Silica was based on the basic recognition that the
• 57:29
  Speaker 15: global economy is undergoing one of the biggest transformations since
• 57:33
  Speaker 15: the First Industrial Revolution, and yet there really wasn't a
• 57:38
  Speaker 15: clean grouping of countries that was an accurate reflection of
• 57:43
  Speaker 15: the AI economy. As you know, the G seven is
• 57:46
  Speaker 15: an artifact of the Cold War. The G twenty was
• 57:49
  Speaker 15: devised by the Obama administration as a response to the
• 57:52
  Speaker 15: global financial crash, and we really didn't have the right
• 57:55
  Speaker 15: grouping to include the technological powerhouses of the twenty first century,
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: and so we decided to start Packsileca in order to
• 58:03
  Speaker 15: create a space that allows us to talk about not
• 58:07
  Speaker 15: just the issues and the challenges facing the AI economy,
• 58:10
  Speaker 15: but also ways of managing the AI economy in a
• 58:13
  Speaker 15: way that really maximizes the benefits for workers, for our citizens,
• 58:17
  Speaker 15: and for the future.
• 58:18
  Speaker 16: And so we decided to start this forum.
• 58:21
  Speaker 15: We began in December in a conference room at the
• 58:25
  Speaker 15: Trump Institute of Peace.
• 58:27
  Speaker 16: It was a very small and formal meeting.
• 58:29
  Speaker 15: And today we just finished the first day of a
• 58:32
  Speaker 15: two day forum, our second summit, and we have three
• 58:36
  Speaker 15: hundred people. So it has grown very very quickly.
• 58:40
  Speaker 16: We now have twenty four members.
• 58:43
  Speaker 15: This week actually added nine new signatories to this growing family,
• 58:50
  Speaker 15: including several from the Western hemisphere. And we've adopted what
• 58:55
  Speaker 15: I like to call is a product based approach to
• 58:59
  Speaker 15: foreign and that means focusing on tangible deliverables that are
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: commercially viable and scalable, just like just like any other
• 59:09
  Speaker 15: normal company.
• 59:11
  Speaker 16: We did that by.
• 59:11
  Speaker 15: Incubating a project that we call pax Pass that is
• 59:16
  Speaker 15: an AI powered logistics platform that we are providing Panama
• 59:21
  Speaker 15: to help enhance the logistics of the Panama Canal's operations.
• 59:27
  Speaker 15: We announced that through a fifty million dollars grant from
• 59:32
  Speaker 15: our foreign assistance funding that ultimately has the potential to
• 59:37
  Speaker 15: be replicable. Where we also announced a partnership with Stanford
• 59:41
  Speaker 15: University to establish another initiative called Boundary School that aims
• 59:46
  Speaker 15: at developing an advanced manufacturing curriculum to train a new
• 59:51
  Speaker 15: generation of American builders that are going to make products
• 59:56
  Speaker 15: again right here in America. And we're also partnering with
• 59:59
  Speaker 15: the Philippine to build a first of its kind economic
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 15: security zone that's really designed to help with secure key
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 15: inputs to manufacturing.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 16: The last point that.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 15: I would add is and this is you know, especially
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 15: meaningful as you know right now, there's a really big
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 15: and important debate going on internationally on the right policy
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 15: approach to AI, and a lot of governments are talking
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 15: about sovereign AI, digital sovereignty, you know, using a lot
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 15: of these terms. And you know, pack Silica is our
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 15: platform to help win the war of ideas is incredibly important.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 15: And to that end, thirty five countries have signed a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 15: joint Statement on AI Opportunity that affirms a commitment to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 15: pursue AI opportunity through a pro innovation, pro growth regulatory approach.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 15: And that is so important for the future of our
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 15: economic growth.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: So under secret hearing or every day I get up
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: and I begin my day with something called news Items.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: It's edited by John Ellis and usually if there are
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: any he's up at three in the morning with his
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: staff and they collect stuff from around the world. Half
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: the stories are about AI, and recently a lot of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: them have been about for example, methos can penetrate the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: NSA in like a nanosecond and steal everything. What is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the pack Silica going to do about the safety side
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: of AI?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 15: Well, the first, uh, you know, every big international every
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 15: big technological revolution has often been brought about in conjunction
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 15: with an often untold story around international collaboration.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 16: You know, there have been the.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 15: Devisement of the metric system and a previous era, and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 15: when you have different systems that have to be replicated
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 15: dozens of times across countries, that actually increases the cost
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 15: of business for everyone. And so fundamentally, because we are
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 15: a platform for action, we actually are able to have
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 15: frank discussions that touch upon security. And in fact, today
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 15: one of the sessions that drew the most interest was
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 15: specifically focused on AI infrastructure security. Because you're completely right,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 15: there is a new emerging issue that a lot of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 15: companies and governments are talking about, which is data centers
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 15: are now considered critical infrastructure. We saw during the war
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 15: in the Persian Gulf AWUS got bombed, and so a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 15: lot of companies are starting to think through, you know,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 15: how do you protect data centers? The Israelis and a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 15: number of others are talking about, you know, different using
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 15: advanced technology systems to protect data center infrastructure. In the US,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 15: a lot of American companies are asking themselves, does does
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 15: this mean we need to we need to think about
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 15: protecting our data centers from asymmetric threats like chiep drone attacks.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 16: And so ultimately we're able to have all of these.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 15: Discussions in a safe space and use you know, the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 15: space of trust in order to exchange ideas, but most
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 15: importantly engage with the private sector.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 16: So today we heard from companies.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 15: Including Alphabet, including Meta, including open Ai, and so many others.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 15: And it's incredibly valuable to have that cross pollination of insights.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Right, last question, Undersecretary Alberg, You've got Israel, Gutter, and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: UAE in this group.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Are they actually working together?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I mean UAE and Israel get along under the Abraham Accords,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: but Cutter is outside of that.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 15: So not only that, but we actually had our first
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 15: trilateral between the United States, Israel, and the UAE today,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 15: And so it is incredible to see how the work
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 15: that started under the first Trump administration under the Abraham
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 15: Accords has now blossomed under the second Trump administration in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 15: what has become a very very deep security partnership and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 15: a very deep strategic economic relationship trilaterally. And that part
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 15: is incredibly is incredibly fascinating and inspiring. You're right, Cutter
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 15: has co signed the Pasilka Declaration alongside Israel, and I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 15: think it's really worth noting that because that is really
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 15: historic in and of itself, and we think that opens
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 15: the door for future collaboration and it shows that shared
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 15: supply chains are sometimes much more powerful than shared values.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Come back and keep us posted on that check the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Teria Heilberg good to talk to that. That's gonning to
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  Speaker 1: make your acquaintance. I appreciate good time than you very much.
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  Speaker 12: Well to be an American where it is done to Avery,
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  Speaker 12: and I all forget the man who died.
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  Speaker 1: Who's working back in America as promised, Admiral William McRaven
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  Speaker 1: is back. That, of course, is Lee Greenwood singing Admiral.
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  Speaker 1: He did that last night on the Mall. He's been
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: doing that, believe it or not, for forty two years.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty four. He started doing that at public events.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to start there because the last essay
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: in your brand new book and Welcome Back, Duty, Honor
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Country Life is about pride in saying I'm an American.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: And I never knew about Ike's first inaugural address until
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I read through Duty, Honor Country, and let how did
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: you come upon Eisenhower's inaugural address?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 10: Well, first, he it's always great to be with you.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: Thanks for having me back on the show. You know,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: when you're researching these things, when you're writing a book,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: as you well know, you know, I spent a lot
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: of time and effort taking a look at MacArthur and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: of course Eisenhower, one of the great heroes in American history.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: Both as a general and as a president.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 10: I've always been a fan of Eisenhower's and so as
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: I began to, you know, wonder, Okay, where are the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 10: words I'm looking for to kind of wrap up this
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 10: idea of duty, honor country without having to repeat MacArthur.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 13: A number of times.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 10: I mean, Eisenhower's first and augural address really just you know,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 10: resonated with me.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: His the quote you pull on that I leaned on
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: is he proclaimed America's quote faith in the desolate dignity
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of man and the values that formed this great republic,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: freedom of quality, of the rule, and the power of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: the people. And you ended the book by saying, we
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: need to be able to probably say, I'm an American.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: You know, the polling is not so good on that
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: right now, Admiral. Does that alarm you.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 13: Yeah, of course it does.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 10: But the whole reason I wrote the book, you was
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 10: to you know, to let other Americans know that, look,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: we are really good people. And the problem is if
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 10: all you do is listen to the news coming out
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 10: of Washington, d C. And all you do is, you know,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: listen to the left or the right. You're going to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 10: get a different opinion. I am on the road four
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 10: or five days a week. I travel all around the country.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: I teach a class at the University of Texas and Austin.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: I have an opportunity to meet with people from every
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: corner of the country and every corner of life. And
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: I will tell you almost everybody I meet with has
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 10: kind of the same sense of values that we would want,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: the sense that, look, we need to be honest, we
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: need to be people of character and integrity.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 13: We want our children to grow up.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: And have the value system that we believe is important.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: And unfortunately, when all you do is here again the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 10: rhetoric coming out of DC, you can lose a little hope.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: But I will tell you I remain optimistic. I remain hopeful,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 10: And yes, I'm worried about the divisiveness, but I think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: more of that divisiveness you see on the press than
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 10: you do actually in real life.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you keep writing books because in the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: most recent NBC poll, the military has the highest confidence
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: and of which the most Americans are the most proud.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: It's the military. My business is the least admired and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely has like zero support, maybe eleven percent in the poll.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Admiral, I want to talk about sitting on the Porch.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: You just talked about your travel schedule. I hope it's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: all for Washington Speakers Bureau, and I hope it's some
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: of it's for your Ilium ausonry stuff. But I love
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the sitting on the Porch poem. And I didn't know
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: you were a poet until I read this book in
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the last week. When did you start doing that?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 10: As I mentioned in the book, you my mother was
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 10: an English teacher and she loved poetry, and she had
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: this book, you know, one hundred and one famous poems,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: and they were kind of the classics that they were,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 10: you know, Kipling and Wordsworth and Ella Wheeler Wilcox and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 10: the kind of the great classic poets. And I have
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: probably read every poem in that book, you know, ten times.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: And so she always kind of encouraged me because my
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: dad was the football player, the fighter, pilot.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 13: You know, the hunter.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 10: But you know, you're always a little bit of your
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 10: your mother and your father, and I think she wanted
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 10: me to be a little bit more inclined towards you know,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 10: reading and writing and the and the essence of poetry.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 10: So I started writing poetry at a young age. It's
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 10: not good for my tough guy seal image, but I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: do like to write poetry.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a very good poetry.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going he used two verses from sitting on the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: porch as a I nudged everyone out there sitting listening
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: or watching on the sale news channel.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: The longer I rock, the more.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: It seems it's sitting on the porches only for dreams.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: For sitting on the porch, I can still the sound
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: of the sirens, both distance and near. That's my view
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: as well. We're both in our seventies. There's no time
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: to sit on the porch. I do want to talk
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit now about Secretary Gates and Secretary of Panetta.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I was honored to be with Secretary of Panet a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Getting between Rob Emanuel and Karl
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Rove and Tim Ryan is not a good place to be.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I was in a kind of a crouch, but Secretary
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Panetic kept it all even keel. But Secretary Gates. I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: said the same thing about Secretary Panet. I could say
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: about Gates. Truly American public servants at the highest level.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: They served both parties, They did their jobs. But tell
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the Bob Gates boy scout, it comes from yours sound
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: boy scouts. I don't think i'd write it before. Maybe
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: it's in one of your earlier books, but I thought
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: that was really my understanding of Secretary Gates.
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  Speaker 10: Well, well, thanks for bringing up both of them. They
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 10: are two of my personal heroes. You know, the ben
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: Laden raid would never have happened without Leon Panetta and
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 10: Bob Gates. But more than that, you know, I served
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 10: for both of them when they were Secretary of Defense,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: and both were, to your point, tremendous public service. But
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 10: I tell the story in the book about the bin
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 10: Laden raid, and as we are, you know, periodically meeting
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 10: with the President's national security team, Secretary Gates is not
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 10: in favor of the seal raid. And every time we'd meet,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 10: the President would kind of go around the room and say, Okay,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: where are we and every single time, you know, Gates
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 10: would say, nope, I don't support the raid. So finally,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 10: after one of the meetings in the situation room. We
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 10: go outside the situation room and I pulled the Secretary
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 10: aside and I said, mister Secretary, I work for you.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 10: If you don't want me to advocate for the raid,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 10: please let me know, and I won't do that. And again,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: and what I think was one of the probably the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: kind of personally courageous and professionally courageous thing.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 13: He said to me.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 10: He said, no, Bill, you have an obligation to provide
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: your best military advice to the commander in chief. And
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: that's what I expect you to do. Whether I agree
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 10: with that advice or not. Your job is to provide
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 10: the best military advice. And as a result of that,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 10: of course, the mission went forward. But in spite of
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 10: the fact that he didn't believe in it, in spite
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 10: of the fact that he had real concerns, he knew
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: I had an obligation to tell the President exactly what
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 10: I was thinking, and I always appreciated that.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I want we have a considerable readership inside the current
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  Speaker 1: White House. I hope they read duty, Honor Country in life,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: if only to see the President of the United States
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: deserve to hear what you're thinking, or you shouldn't be
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: in the room if you're not going to tell it
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to him. So that's a great bit of advice. Now
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I want to go to another thing. There's lots that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I learned from your book, and so thank you for that.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I did not know about the five hundred Night Celebration.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Would you tell people about that? And I'll circle back
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: to what matters in your speech.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, So the five hundredth Night Celebration is held at
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 10: west Point Military US Military Academy, west Point, and it
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 10: is for the junior class. So these are the cadets,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 10: men and women who have five hundred days left before
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 10: they get commissioned. So I was very honored to have
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  Speaker 10: the opportunity to speak to the five hundred Night And
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 10: of course, as a Navy guy, you know, you don't
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 10: often get a chance to speak to young Army cadets.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 10: And oh, by the way, I'm not a Naval Academy guy.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 10: I was an ROTC guy. So it was kind of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 10: a double honor I felt on my part to be
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 10: able to talk to these young cadets.
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  Speaker 1: Well, when we come back from break, we're here to break.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you about what you had
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: to say to him. There's a lot in Duty, Honor,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Country and Life. It's a collection of Admaal mcgraven's speeches,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: his essays, his reviews, his poems, and a few reflections
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: John Hither or Not. It's a perfect book for July fourth,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: So I've put it in the bag of the books
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: we're doing as we walk up to our semi sexquinennial.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere. Admal mcgraven will be right back
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: after this. Stay tuned to give you a chef quarterback
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: in America. Here it with Admiral William mcgraven, retired, the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: United States Navy, author most recently of Duty, Honor, Country
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: and Life, A Tribute.
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  Speaker 2: To the American Spirit. Magnificent book.
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  Speaker 1: A reader, so you can pick it up and put
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it down all throughout our semi sequin tennial year and
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: get something out of every chapter. Admiral, from your speech
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: at West Point, you told the cadets, I guarantee you,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: in the course of your career, you will work for
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: leaders whom you don't like and don't respect. It will
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: be easy to make fun of their idiosyncrasies, their is
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: seeding hairline, their soft chain.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Or their spouse.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Be very careful about being too smug, opinionated to righteous,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: avoid the rolling eyes, the whisper campaigns, and the junior
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: officer dissension.
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  Speaker 2: I learned that great army officers know how to follow.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: And you also said, this sailor has learned there is
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: no more noble calling in the world than to be
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: a soldier in the United States Army. Well, you are
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: a junior officer once. I guess you probably had those
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: same temptations. It applies to every three workforce everywhere in
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a There's no upside and downside none.
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  Speaker 2: I've said that forever.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Is there a unique problem in the military with that,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: because everyone's trained to go out and lead.
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  Speaker 13: No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 10: But you know what I saw, and you're right, you're
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 10: part of the stems from my experience as a young
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 10: junior officer. And you know, by the time I came
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 10: into the sealed teams, the Vietnam War was over, and
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: a lot of our commanding officers at the time, oh,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 10: they were old guys.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 13: They must have been maybe forty years old, you know.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 10: So so those of us were in our twenties and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: and who could still run ten miles pretty fast.
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  Speaker 14: You know.
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  Speaker 10: Sometimes there was the belief that our commanding officers maybe
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 10: not be they weren't as smart or as sharp as
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: and in fact, of course, as you get more and
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 10: more senior, what you find out is the men that
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 10: were in these positions were you know, wickedly smart, really
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: knew their trade. But sometimes as a young officer or
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 10: frankly a young person in even in the corporate world,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: like I said, you get this little sense of righteousness
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 10: that is probably misplaced, and you got to be a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: little bit careful about thinking that you're smarter than the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: man or woman that's leading you, because when you get
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 10: to that position, you're going to find that the challenges
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 10: they had, the decisions they made were incredibly difficult, and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 10: you'll be thankful that you learned a lot as a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 10: young officer.
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  Speaker 1: In my case, another favorite part of this, I did
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  Speaker 1: not know your dad was a fighter pilot World War
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Two and in Korea, but I didn't know that he
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: played for the Cleveland Rams as a Cleveland Browns fan.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: That hit home with me for a couple of years
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: before the war. But you watch football with your dad
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: a lot, and you talk about that that it's a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: team sport, it's a tough sport, it's a meritocracy. Your
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: dad tauching in life. The one hundred and twenty yards
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the turf on a football field is worth doing. But
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: you were watching the Notre Dame victory over Navy forty
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: six to forty four.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: The Navy victory over Notre Dame. I remember that because
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: it does never happened in Afghanistan. That must have been
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: a wild experience.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 10: Well it was, and I happened to be visiting Afghanistan
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 10: at the time, as opposed to being deployed there.
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  Speaker 13: And this is as I say in the book.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think it had been forty some odd
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 10: years since Navy had beaten Notre Dame. And of course
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 10: the predictions ahead of time, because Notre Dame had all
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: these five star recruits and maybe had none, this was
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 10: going to be just a stomping on the part of
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: Notre Dame. And of course, after the you know, the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: first regular regular time, I mean, it's tie after the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: first overtime, it's tied after the second overtime, and then
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 10: finally I think it goes into a third overtime and
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 10: Navy wins. And the point I raised about that, and
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 10: I've had an opportunity to talk to a number of
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 10: teams about this is. Look, you know, you got to
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 10: fight every second of every play, every second of every play.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 10: You've got to give it your best. And it's not
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 10: not just on the football field, it's in life. And
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 10: so the point of that story is that my dad
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 10: used to tell me this soul the He said, look,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 10: you're only as good as your last game. You've got
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 10: to win, and you've got to fight for your position
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: every single time, and you always have to give it
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: your very best, every second of every play.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great speech.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I recommend it to every football coach in America and
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: every parent of every football player out there. It'll give
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: you a love of the game that you didn't have before.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: A couple of poems I like. I very much like
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: the voice about your belief in God and when it
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: comes in you got to say, I was very touched
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: by your poem about Afghanistan. The Hindu Kush are quiet now.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: There seemed to be embedded in that poem regret for
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: the people of Afghanistan, not for our going, not for
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: our fighting, not even for the casualties that we suffered,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: for whom you mourn, but for the people of Afghanistan.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Who may very well miss the Americans.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 13: Now, yeah, you know a lot of these poems.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 10: And my wife George and who you know, She says
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 10: sometimes my poems are angry, and I think they are angry.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 10: The poem I wrote on I Remember is clearly an
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 10: angry poem. But the departing Afghanistan I wanted because this
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 10: was I wrote this before the fall of Kabble, but
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 10: there was still a lot of discussion at the time
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: that you know, our fight in Afghanistan was a failure.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 13: And the point I make is, look, yes.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 10: You can, maybe the historians will make this decision, but
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: for twenty years, you know, we haven't been hit a
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 10: people and people of Afghanistan, the ones you meet that
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 10: aren't trying to kill USh, these are generally good and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 10: nice people, and I do think they will regret the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: fact that we're not.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: There in spot. Admiral McRaven will be right back. Don't
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: go anywhere, America. The book again in duty, Honor, country,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: and life, attribute to the American spirit, and it is
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: indeed that we'll lift your spirit. We get an Amazon bind,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: the Noble Book Short can come.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Back one more second. Welcome back, America.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Herett with Admiral William McRaven, retired United States
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  Speaker 1: Navy author most recently of Duty, Honor, Country and Life. First,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: just a note Robert Barnett with my agent two. I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: think Bob brought you together with me for the first time.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I think your dedication to him and your remembrance of
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: him at the end is fabulous. I want the people
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: out there who know Bob Barnett to go and read that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about two of your speeches, first
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: of all, to the ancient Order of Hibernians in Savannah,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: mostly because your aid gave you, gave you the notes
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: on the society, and he said the Irish were indignant,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: not indigenit indigenous indigen How did you react when you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: gave him the right word, Admiral, do you remember, Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: That was pretty funny. So, as you can imagine, this
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 10: is a room filled with all men. I think there
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 10: was one woman in the room who was kind of
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: helping out. But it's all male, a whole bunch of
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 10: Catholic priests and bishops.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 13: A lot of Irish that are there.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 10: And so the little story I tell him to begin
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 10: with was, as I'm beginning to write my speech, I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 10: wanted if I didn't know much about the Hibernian Society,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 10: and I aid came up and he said, well, sir,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 10: you know, I read up on the Hibernian Society and
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 10: there are a bunch of Irishmen, indignant Irishmen, I said,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 10: indignant a meaning they were mad and they were upset.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 10: And I thought, well, I guess you know you leave Ireland,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 10: the potato famine, the religious persecution. Yeah, you can be indignant. Well,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 10: it wasn't indignant. It was indigen, meaning that they were
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 10: kind of poor and nobody was helping them, and that's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 10: why they.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 13: Started the society.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 10: It's a needless to say that, a little bit of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 10: a chuckle out of the crowd. But the point I
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 10: make in the speech, of course, is that there's a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: little bit of Irish in all of us, and it
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 10: is this kind of fighting spirit, this belief in justice
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 10: and equality and religious freedom and the things that the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 10: Irish writ large have done. And I talk about all
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 10: the irishmen I knew during the war, guys like you know,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 10: Dave Petraeus and Ray Odierno and rich Sanchez, not really Irishmen,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 10: but they had, you know, the fervor of the Irish.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: It's a great essay, it's a great speech.
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  Speaker 1: I want to finish by talking about we could do
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: eight to coin mcgraven's the Flag, because I think that's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: a fabulous little poem from your family or intrepid at e.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I can't say it still. I tried four or five
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: times about not being fearless. But I want to go
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: to your New York Historical Society speech because in that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: you write, to survive, the country must be welcoming. We
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: must be smart, we must abide by the rule of law.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: We must be strong, and I think that means militarily strong.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: And then you write, we must ensure that we are
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: good and honorable and noble. How do we do that,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Adam mcgraven.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 10: I think we have to expect more from our leaders you.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 10: I mean, this is one of the things again, as
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 10: I travel around the country, you point about the fact
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 10: that you know there's a divisiveness. I'm not sure when
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 10: I talk to people that that devisiveness exists day to day.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, I saw what happened during Hurricane Harvey. I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 10: saw what happened when the kids in the campistic were
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 10: washed away. People come together and they don't ask you
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 10: did you vote for Biden to you vote for Trump.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 10: They're just there to help people want leaders that are
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 10: good and honorable and noble. They want leaders to reflect
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 10: what they think the values that are baked into our
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 10: American DNA, and so I think we have an obligation
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 10: as Americans to expect more from our leaders across the board,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 10: both sides. We should expect our leaders to tell the truth.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 10: We should expect our leaders to be dignified. We should
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 10: expect our leaders to be decisive when they need to be,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 10: to come back, to be compassionate, to take care of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 10: our allies.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 13: We should expect that from our leaders.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 10: And I think that's the only way we get back
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 10: to being kind of the good guys and getting back
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 10: to being respected kind of globally and domestically.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Now you have no social media presence, of which I'm aware, Admiral,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I think he started going to come in twenty nineteen
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: for like a day for a book, and you just
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: told Bob, no, I'm not going to do this.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Part is that? Do you think social media is making.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: It difficult for people to be good and honorable and noble.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 13: I think social media serves a couple purposes one.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 10: I do think social media for the gen Z and
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 10: for the millennials, I think it keeps them connected in
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 10: a way that as a baby boomer, you know, we
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 10: didn't have and so the connection piece I think is important. Unfortunately,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 10: I think what happens on social media is that those
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 10: that scream and yell the loudest get the most number
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  Speaker 10: of clicks, and that seems to be what gets downloaded
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  Speaker 10: into people's brains, and so there's a Again, there's a
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  Speaker 10: good side to everything. There's a good side to social media.
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  Speaker 10: It keeps us connected, it keeps us informed. There's a
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  Speaker 10: bad side to social media, and that again the people
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  Speaker 10: screaming the loudest, that are the most virulent, seem to
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  Speaker 10: get the most clicks, and that seems to be what
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  Speaker 10: comes into our living rooms.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'd be vermiss if I didn't conclude in the
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  Speaker 1: interview let everyone know. Of course, there's a lot about
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  Speaker 1: the military and duty on our country and life, including
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful poem that called the Crosses and an army
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  Speaker 1: infantry officer who writes you a note I will be
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  Speaker 1: infantry again, including the ranger who had double amputated between
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  Speaker 1: his knees, who you saw it a ranger workout and
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  Speaker 1: a year and a half later leading a command. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot in here for soldiers. But what will
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  Speaker 1: surprise doctors and nurses get a lot of shout out
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  Speaker 1: from Bill mccraven. I gather you've spent enough time prone
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  Speaker 1: in a hospital to appreciate it.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I have probably way too much time.
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  Speaker 10: And then of course I spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 10: in Iraq and Afghanistan watching the great doctors and nurses
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  Speaker 10: take care of are wounded, and that is incredibly inspiring.
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  Speaker 1: To the Army, Navy. Doctors and nurses that you have meet.
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  Speaker 1: Are they four and eight year people and then out
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  Speaker 1: or are they careerists?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, you got both of them.
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  Speaker 10: So in Afghanistan, in Iraqi, and we just didn't have enough,
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  Speaker 10: you know, career military medical personnel to be able to
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  Speaker 10: handle all the combat hospitals.
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  Speaker 13: So you had a lot of reservists that were called up.
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  Speaker 10: And the So the funny thing was there was a
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  Speaker 10: little bit of kind of massing this to them. You know,
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  Speaker 10: sometimes they didn't wear their uniform right, they didn't know
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  Speaker 10: what to salute. But I will tell you they were
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  Speaker 10: God's gift to the soldiers. Sailors, airman, marines, because they came,
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  Speaker 10: they came prepared to work. They saved countless thousands of lives,
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  Speaker 10: and they did so with the Again, the kind of
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  Speaker 10: talent that we would hope from our doctors and the
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  Speaker 10: kind of compassion we would hope for them from them
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  Speaker 10: as well.
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  Speaker 1: And the last comment is is a salute to Uncle
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  Speaker 1: Sam Long, your great uncle. He wrote about friendship on
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  Speaker 1: page one thirty six, the practice of friendship is the
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  Speaker 1: most remarkable relation of man. Aristotle agrees with that. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, I'm carried, we got one minute over the years,
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  Speaker 1: over your thirty seven years in the navy and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a hardcore of mcgraven friends or are you
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  Speaker 1: part of a hard core of a few group of
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  Speaker 1: friends with whom you entered the military.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I still have contact with a lot
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  Speaker 10: of the guys that I entered the military with. I
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  Speaker 10: was just texting with one of them today. But I
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  Speaker 10: think the great thing about the military, at least for men,
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  Speaker 10: that you know, you move. For an officer, you move
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  Speaker 10: every two years, and so every time we'd move, we'd
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  Speaker 10: make new friends. And so that circle of friends gets
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  Speaker 10: larger and larger and larger, and I'm blessed today to
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  Speaker 10: have you know. Yes, I have a group of very
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  Speaker 10: close friends, but I also value the friends that are
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  Speaker 10: you know, on the outer circle, that I've just met
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  Speaker 10: briefly in my time in the military or or after
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  Speaker 10: the military.
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  Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on another great bestseller. Duty, Honor, Country and Life,
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  Speaker 1: A tribute to the American spirit, the perfect book for
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  Speaker 1: our semi sex Quintennial'll go out and get it. Adamal
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  Speaker 1: mcgraven all he good to see you. Thank you, sir,