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Domonique Foxworth on Chiefs-Raiders Showdown, Mike Tomlin’s Future & Nick Saban’s College Sports Push | 10.01 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time presented by
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  Speaker 2: Thursdays with Foxworth.
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  Speaker 1: However, I feel like we need to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: fact we got some new digs around these parts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you normally ask me, like you just throw it
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  Speaker 3: to me to start and I rarely have anything and
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  Speaker 3: we go anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: This time I was ready. I was about to say it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how many people listening or how many
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  Speaker 3: people are on YouTube, but... If you are a listener normally,
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  Speaker 3: when your car stops or whatever, just go and get
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  Speaker 3: on YouTube and check out this new set. That may
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  Speaker 3: make me feel insecure, insufficient over here.
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  Speaker 1: No, man, we got some new digs. Our new partners
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  Speaker 1: at Playmaker Sports, you may have noticed the logo on
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  Speaker 1: the microphone before and other things. We just hadn't really
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  Speaker 1: talked about it because we wanted to roll it all
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  Speaker 1: out at one time. We've got a new studio. We've
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  Speaker 1: got new imaging, right? It's just a chance to kind
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  Speaker 1: of spruce this up. Our time with Wave Sports was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: They got us to different places, and now we're here
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  Speaker 1: with Playmaker Sports. and this is going to help take
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  Speaker 1: us even farther. He can't talk today, but I got
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  Speaker 1: Ryan over here. We're actually in the same place. The
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  Speaker 1: question that I have is, what does the woman at
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  Speaker 1: the front desk think I've been doing for money, and
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  Speaker 1: what does she think I'm doing for money now?
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about in my building.
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  Speaker 1: I just moved in that bad boy, and all I'm
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  Speaker 1: ever doing is just walking around, just around there. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine what she thinks I do for anything, right?
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  Speaker 1: And now, for the first time in six years, I
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  Speaker 1: got to put drawers on before I come talk to you.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many unusual situations and unusual people in.
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  Speaker 2: That magnificent city.
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  Speaker 3: I imagine that she has an archetype in her mind
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  Speaker 3: of what you're up to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 3: That it's not what it actually is, but you should
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  Speaker 3: interview her one day. Because you know that she's sitting
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  Speaker 3: there all day and she knows your ins and outs
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  Speaker 3: and whereabouts. You know she concocted some story, told her friends.
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  Speaker 2: This young brother, mood in the building.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, there it is right there. You don't seem
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  Speaker 1: like no gangster, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: I got no idea, but no, we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: here four days a week making this work.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I just figured it out. I'm sorry. She think
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  Speaker 2: you caught a case. She think that you caught a
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  Speaker 2: slip and fall. Oh, I got a settlement. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She wondered if you got the lump sum or you
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  Speaker 3: got it paid over.
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  Speaker 2: A long stretch. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: You pulled off the Tracy Morgan. Oh, yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you this, though. He earned that money. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: And one day I'm going to ask her because one
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  Speaker 1: of the cats on the weekend, he just because I
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  Speaker 1: came across in his Instagram feed.
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  Speaker 2: He saw that. It was like, hey, bro, I saw you, brother.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if his phone heard me in the lobby.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then it all like tied over a came together
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, because he's not a sports fan.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So they caught me. He saw me talking about
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  Speaker 2: hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: And this definitely means when I see him on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: he gonna have something to say to me.
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  Speaker 2: Shit. Can we get to that at some point? I
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  Speaker 2: know we got to do sports stuff first. But at
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  Speaker 2: some point, I have some thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get to the baby face thing.
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  Speaker 1: This has been a wild, wild, wild. Like, the things
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  Speaker 1: that people have said about me this week.
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  Speaker 2: Over something so inconsequential.
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  Speaker 1: Over something inconsequential. Between that and some people not liking
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  Speaker 1: my wire copaganda thing. I'm a fake leftist co-on. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just threw a hyphen in it, Dominique.
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  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: I got you.
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  Speaker 2: I got you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a koan.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, you definitely are not that. I am
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  Speaker 2: definitely not that. Hey, let me say this.
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  Speaker 1: Right fast before we go on. Since I mentioned koan,
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  Speaker 1: koan is on the stairway to heaven, Liz. When white
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  Speaker 1: people call somebody a koan, they mean it negatively. And
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  Speaker 1: when black people call somebody a koan, they mean it negatively.
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  Speaker 2: However, everybody be like, hell yeah, I can't stand a koan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can't stand a koan.
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  Speaker 1: And then white people point out the example of a koan,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just a black dude, and the black people are.
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  Speaker 2: Like, hey, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? And the black people are like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what a koan is. A koan is somebody like,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Some people would say that Herschel Walker was a koan.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Some people, I was not going to say that. Some
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  Speaker 1: people would say that Herschel Walker was a koan. And
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  Speaker 1: then that white person who uses koan that other way,
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  Speaker 1: they pop up and like, but I like him. Because
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  Speaker 1: if a black person think he a koan, white people
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  Speaker 1: like that person. If a white person think he a koan,
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  Speaker 1: black people, now we got to defend him. You understand
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? So anyway, that's how it makes the
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  Speaker 1: stairway to heaven. It sounds the same, but they different.
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  Speaker 1: Stairways to heaven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you kept talking because I was going to
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  Speaker 3: say some names and I was smart enough not to
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  Speaker 3: say that. Then I was going to start hinting around
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  Speaker 3: and then the problem with that is it's not specific enough.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I feel like I could name some politicians
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  Speaker 2: and I'd be straight, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: The other part is we legitimately believe that Koan is
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  Speaker 1: fighting words. And God, I hope I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: fight Herschel Walker. That's all I'm left with. But I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I did my part. But hey, we got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of NFL action for you YouTube viewers. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be working on my eyelines a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be looking a little sporadic. Sometimes I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking down, sometimes I'm looking up. Dominique's up there. It's new.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Clearly you can tell. We moving in here.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't had a chance to put everything, you know,
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  Speaker 1: up on the walls yet. Have the Raiders earned the.
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  Speaker 2: Top of our show? I feel like they've earned the
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  Speaker 2: top of our show.
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  Speaker 1: We have a battle of 3-0 teams, except it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like they're 3-0 teams because one of them is
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There was no way I thought at the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: this season that this game was going.
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  Speaker 2: To matter in any way.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the Chiefs were going to be bad, and
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  Speaker 3: I knew the Raiders were going to be bad. The
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  Speaker 3: Raiders always bad. They doing this Kirk Cousins thing? No,
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  Speaker 3: this ain't going to work out. Come to find out
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  Speaker 3: that Raiders defense is for real. And I think the
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  Speaker 3: offense caught up last week when Brock Bowers was healthy.
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  Speaker 3: That was their first real test. They won games against
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  Speaker 3: teams that we thought were in their neighborhood. And then
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  Speaker 3: the Saints are the first team that they played that was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: If you can fuck with the Saints, then you're a
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  Speaker 3: serious outfit. And the Saints just barely gained our respect
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  Speaker 3: this season. There were a lot of people like hipster
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  Speaker 3: pick because they had a ton of talent, but putting
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  Speaker 3: it all together is another thing. But they went toe-to-toe
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  Speaker 3: with these teams and with the Saints and came out
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  Speaker 3: on top. And the offense showed up. Like, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to give a lot of credit to Kubiak. I think
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  Speaker 3: the head coach and offensive engine over there. And I
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  Speaker 3: think he deserves it. Like, he's overachieved. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's the coach of the year is based on, like,
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  Speaker 3: who better than we thought.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, let me tell you something, man.
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  Speaker 1: When Dennis Green was the head coach at Northwestern, and
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  Speaker 1: for those of you who are too young to remember this,
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  Speaker 1: Northwestern used to be capital T, capital W. The worst. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They had a year that they went, I want to
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  Speaker 1: call it, two and nine. Two and nine for the
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  Speaker 1: whole season. Two and whatever in the Big Ten. Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Green was Big Ten Coach of the Year. Because that's
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  Speaker 1: what that was. How many games should you really have
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  Speaker 1: to win to be Coach of the Year for the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders at this point? You play 17 road games a year. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Nick and Danny are going to be at that game.
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  Speaker 1: In Las Vegas. I only say this because I heard
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  Speaker 1: them already say it. They're going to be at that game.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because Nick's a Chiefs fan. You get the point, right?
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  Speaker 1: All you're doing over there is playing road games.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's another complication of being in Vegas, but I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure if I told you this story before, but
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  Speaker 2: when I was.
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  Speaker 3: At the Union and we were starting to try to
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  Speaker 3: fiddle with the Pro Bowl, collaborate with the NFL to
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  Speaker 3: fiddle with the Pro Bowl to try to move it
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  Speaker 3: to somewhere else, other than Hawaii, like making more fun.
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  Speaker 3: And I kept pushing and suggesting Vegas. I was like
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  Speaker 3: in my third year, third or fourth year in the league.
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  Speaker 3: And Roger and most of the leadership on that side
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  Speaker 3: was like, hell no. And then a bunch of players
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  Speaker 3: went and got arrested down there during NBA all-star weekend.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh yeah, I guess you guys
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  Speaker 2: are right.
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  Speaker 3: So on top of the coach of the year candidacy
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  Speaker 3: for Kubiak, he.
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  Speaker 2: Got them boys in Vegas, right? All year round, he
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  Speaker 2: got them young boys in Vegas, and somehow.
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  Speaker 3: He getting them to the games on a regular basis,
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  Speaker 3: showing up prepared and ready to play.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like maybe that's kind of the bright
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  Speaker 1: side of having the team in Vegas is that them
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  Speaker 1: boys is always going to be with their driving distance
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  Speaker 1: of the facility. If you can just talk them in, like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: just come in and put in an hour, dog. Just
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  Speaker 1: put in a couple, you know. Then the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the day is yours.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: The problem, though, like Vegas is one of those places
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  Speaker 3: where you can develop some friendships with people that you
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  Speaker 3: don't really. I'm not worried as much about like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to go out and act up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm worried about they're there all the time. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of time. I mean, it's hard enough to keep the
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  Speaker 2: UNLV dudes. Yeah. That's the only coach that's like, don't
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  Speaker 2: stay here during the offseason. Yeah, roll out. Go to
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  Speaker 2: your small town, please.
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  Speaker 1: Let me say this about the Raiders, though, and you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the Kirk Cousins thing. For the long-term health of
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  Speaker 1: that franchise, I don't think anything is better than if
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  Speaker 1: you could take your quarterback and then somehow figure out
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  Speaker 1: to be like a 7-10, 8-9 team, right? Not that good.
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  Speaker 1: You still, you know, have decent draft position. but there
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  Speaker 1: is no pressure for you to play your young quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and look, Mendoza ain't.
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  Speaker 2: But so young, like he'd be better around.
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  Speaker 1: The block a few times, but if they can get
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  Speaker 1: through this whole season without having to play him, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have the data to indicate this. I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like it works out better if you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: play the guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that might be, I agree with you,
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  Speaker 3: but I would argue that it's less because he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: play and more because.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't have to play.
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  Speaker 3: Meaning that it's less about him sitting and watching and learning.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's an easy, like one-to-one story to tell
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  Speaker 3: and more about your team is good enough.
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  Speaker 2: To support a young quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: And if your team is good enough to rack up
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  Speaker 3: a couple wins without putting a ton of pressure on
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  Speaker 3: your young quarterback, whether he's in the game or out
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  Speaker 3: of the game or on the sideline watching, I think
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  Speaker 3: that's the part that is valuable is that you're actually
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  Speaker 3: dropping an underdeveloped piece into a situation that has all
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  Speaker 3: the support and infrastructure. I've been making this point for
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  Speaker 3: over a decade now. that all the best quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 3: the league came into good situations they grow into great
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks but they aren't initially like all the guys that
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  Speaker 3: you think about are the best with the exception of
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  Speaker 3: joe burrow but he's been injured up and down who
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  Speaker 3: knows like throughout recent history those guys they started in
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  Speaker 3: situations that were better than most of the situations that
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks end up in and i think that's a real
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  Speaker 3: determinative factor and worth noting that Joe Burrow's situation, maybe
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  Speaker 3: that first year wasn't the best, but that next year,
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  Speaker 3: the thing that Joe Burrow's always had when I've seen
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  Speaker 3: him be good, Jamar.
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  Speaker 2: Chase, Hall of Fame, get ready. Yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good situation.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just take this moment to appreciate that they let
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Justin Jefferson be on the
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  Speaker 1: same team in college. There was a college team where
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  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson was not the best receiver On the team.
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  Speaker 2: What was anybody supposed to do with that?
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  Speaker 3: Most of the teams you go up against don't have
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  Speaker 3: an NFL starter at corner on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: No, no. So whatever scheme you coming up.
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  Speaker 3: With requires you to address two Hall of Famers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Because that's what they're going to be. with insurance salesmen.
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  Speaker 2: A pack of insurance salesmen. We're going to figure it out. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, the other teams don't have NFL corners,
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  Speaker 1: but your team has Daryl Stingley. Derek, not Daryl Stingley.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Stingley.
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  Speaker 2: It's more fraught.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I mess up Justin and Jordan Jefferson a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but throwing Daryl Stingley out there by accident, that just
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  Speaker 1: makes everybody sad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That reminds us that we're all excited about it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more. Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs offense, how sustainable do you think this is that
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  Speaker 1: we've seen? Because I still feel like he ain't throwing
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  Speaker 1: to nobody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty sustainable. But you're right.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's not, like, foolproof. And that's, like, they
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  Speaker 3: spoiled us. And whenever we see it early on when
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  Speaker 3: he had– uh like peak kelsey and peak um uh
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  Speaker 3: tyreek we got a sense of what this offense could
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  Speaker 3: be in peak mahomes who was like trying to make
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  Speaker 3: a name for himself like trying to win mvps we
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  Speaker 3: don't have that guy anymore that's pushing not that he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have the ability but he doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 3: trying to like damn it he knows that his his
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  Speaker 3: career is going to be determined by super bowls and
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  Speaker 3: he's playing that way uh and i think the offense
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  Speaker 3: is sustainable but it's not going to be like record-breaking, scary, like,
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  Speaker 3: we can go ahead and cash this in before you
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  Speaker 3: show up.
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  Speaker 2: We know you're going to win. And that's because.
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  Speaker 3: You're just not going to find that type of talent. Like,
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  Speaker 3: we talk about Hall of Famers. These guys, that's what
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  Speaker 3: they had out there. And it's just never going to
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  Speaker 3: be that where you can throw a short pass to Tyreek,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to take it to the crib.
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  Speaker 2: You can throw a medium pass to Tyreek, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to take it to the crib.
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  Speaker 3: And Mahomes and Kelsey are going to have to use
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  Speaker 3: their brain meld to find an option on third down
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  Speaker 3: to get another set of downs.
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  Speaker 1: It's just.
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  Speaker 2: You ain't getting that back. You ain't finding no guys
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  Speaker 2: like that. So, yeah, that ain't happening.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man, we mentioned Joe Burrow. We got Cincinnati and
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville on Sunday. That is a very intriguing matchup, right?
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  Speaker 1: You could argue it is a very good matchup. And
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  Speaker 1: it feels weird. even after all these years, to be like, oh, both.
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  Speaker 2: Of them are pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I might tune in to see them do battle. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this game can only go one way
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  Speaker 1: with those two quarterbacks. Both of them play pretty well,
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  Speaker 1: and then at the end, one of them is going
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  Speaker 1: to make a mistake, and then the other team is
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  Speaker 1: going to win, and then that one guy is going
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  Speaker 1: to get blamed for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably about right.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think the Jags running game has been so
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  Speaker 3: effective this year that that gives me a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more like, faith in what they got going on and
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  Speaker 3: the chiefs defense or super chiefs, the, um, the Bengals defense,
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  Speaker 3: like statistically it's much more improved in, in certain games
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  Speaker 3: have seen dominant, especially up front. Um, what happened to
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: them last week at the Steelers? Like, I'm not sure
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: how many games it takes for me to like completely
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: believe in a unit or a group, but given the
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Bengals history, I'm gonna need more than two.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Cause that's what they gave me.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: It was like two defensive games, one against the Texans,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: And then went up against the Steelers offense that we
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: thought was buns and didn't show up. So like, I,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I have not been completely converted to a bangles defensive
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: believer yet.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I don't know how many
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: games they'd have to play. Like my priors on that
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: are so strong boy. Like you, you, you not just
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: shaking me. off of that one speaking of shaking off
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: of priors shout out to that boy liam cohen because
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: uh i mean he had a introductory press conference to
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: overcome and i would be honest with you usually they
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: don't nick seriotti has been to two super bowls and
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: one one still hasn't really overcome that press conference don't
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: get me started on adam gaze did dan campbell overcome
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the press conference or simply change the way we looked
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: at the press conference.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan didn't overcome it, for sure. Dan, see, the
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: thing that... He just made you like it.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Gase and Sirianni left their press
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: conferences and wished they had a do-over.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Dan Campbell left that press conference and was like, I
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: expressed exactly what I wanted to express. Y'all can choose
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: to think it's funny or whatever, or think I'm a
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: caveman or whatever.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: That's fine. That's who I am.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: That's why I want y'all to know I am. That's
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: what these players know me to be. It may be
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: at work, maybe it don't, but that's me.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: But Liam seems to be a good coach. Yeah. Somebody
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: tried to pull up on him last year during the game,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: didn't they? Oh, it was Robert Sala.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Robert Sala tried to pull up on him. I forget.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, what I would not want if
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I was Bobani Jones, or certainly if my name was Liam,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: is Salah pulling up on me.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: That would give the news cycle a whole different thing
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to talk about this time of year.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I don't need that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: No, no. Let me tell you this. And Cohen seems
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a troll. Like, how
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: funny would it have been if they had been trying
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to separate them? They'd be like, yeah, that's right.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Free Palestine. No, no, no. He would never.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: There's no chance that Liam would do anything like that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: I normally, like, I would never tell, like, when you're at, like,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: certain types of parties or events or whatever, like, you
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: see famous people and they're, like, relaxing and whatever. You don't, like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: if something happens or they do something or whatever, like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: it's just kind of understood.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Like, you're not supposed to talk about that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: But I will tell a Liam Cohen story from a
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl party because I believe that he would not
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: mind this.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: We had one of these Super Bowl parties.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: In the VIP, it's all party happening, all this good
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: stuff going on, like everything you could imagine is happening
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: at this party.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: It's very cool.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Liam Cohen had, I think it was, was it Solomon Thomas, maybe?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: He had Solomon Thomas cornered. And I was curious, so
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I walked over. They talking about duo blocking schemes.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. I'm like... Come on, man. Solomon looked like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: he wanted out of there.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of observations, but one of them is,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: as much as I would love to get on Liam
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Cohen for being too much about football because he's talking
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: about blocking schemes at the Super Bowl party, you got
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to be really into football to identify Solomon Thomas without
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a Solomon Thomas jersey on. In fact, in 2026, it
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: would take more than a Solomon Thomas jersey because I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: don't know what team he plays for. It would need
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: to be S-O-L dot Thomas on the back in order
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: for me to pull that off. Solomon Thomas, your friendly reminder,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the guy the 49ers drafted when they could have taken
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. I used to say they could have taken
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson, but now that he nasty D,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that one doesn't.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Like, that one doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't sting as much. No, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They may have saved themselves a world of problems, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that being said, they own her. bust out the crib
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: without no confirmation, trying to find it and pull it
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: into a.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Trailer park, trying to get it. Nasty J. Filthy J.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: That's Filthy J. You know what Filthy J got, though?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: He got that dog in him.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: That's one thing we don't appreciate in sports is when
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: you got too much dog.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was way too much dog. You got to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: tame that dog, man. Put that thing in a crate sometime.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: He called it for a false start.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Locked up in the neutral zone.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: There's a sports analogy for everything, which I appreciate. It's
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: not as much of a stretch when we're talking about
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: sports teams and people affiliated with them, but my cousin
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: always calls me when there's something in the news or whatever,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: he calls me and makes the sports analogy for it,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and Ball Start is perfect for that one.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: He was definitely lined up in the neutral zone when
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: they pulled him over. Yes, he was. Dominique moved out
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that Free Palestine very, very quickly. I was trying to, yeah. Hey,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: if you want to have a conversation about it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I will just say this right fast about Free Palestine.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Have you seen Dwight Howard talk about that time he
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: tweeted free Palestine? No.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I forget when.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: This was, but out of the blue, Dwight Howard sent
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a tweet that said free Palestine.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Now, put a pin in there. This was recent?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It was a few years ago. Okay.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Right. Put a pin in this. A few years ago,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I was very curious about rates on home equity lines
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of credit.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I was just wondering what I could get, right?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And so I thought that I was filling out information
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: for a calculator and it was like, just like a
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: mortgage calculator. Like with these, what the rates are, it'll
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: just give you the information. I didn't realize that what
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I was doing was putting in an application basically on
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a website that it would then be distributed to everybody.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: The second I clicked send, My phone rang and it
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: just rang over and over again with people trying to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: talk to me about a home equity line of credit.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And that is basically what Dwight Howard describes, that he
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: basically hit send and immediately it was motherfucking swinging for
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: ropes into his house or whatever it is.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, hey, hey. That's got to go down.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like, you remember what it was like when Daryl Morey
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: said free Hong Kong? Yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: That was just Hong Kong.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if it was people swinging in, like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: trying to have him be more engaged in that movement. No, no, no.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It was people swinging in saying, hush up. Give me
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the phone. Give me the fucking phone. What are you
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: talking about? They said, they just like, whoa, just everybody
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: freaked out in that moment. Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Now you, the, the, I mean, this is normal for
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: any of these sorts of cycles and it's, uh, A
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: trap that I've been able to, as I've gotten older,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: been able to recognize and avoid is what I get
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: fed a lot now is not attempts to convince me
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of a position, but to what about everything else, right?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: So that's what I feel like is now happening. I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: sure that I fall into plenty of social media traps,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but some of them I think I'm wise to, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I think that they saw me swipe past some Enough
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: of these things that say, actually, you got this wrong.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And now what I've been getting later is like, well,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: what about them Uyghurs, though? Yeah. And I find myself
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: looking at my phone like, yeah, true. However, I totally
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: forgot about the Uyghurs. Exactly.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: 2022, Uyghurs was the hottest thing in these streets.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about the Uyghurs.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Now, now.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I get it like but what about sudan though i'll
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: be getting them sudan them sudan.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Tiktoks too i was about to say it's been so
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: long i forgot how you spell uighur and that's why
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: i ain't got no interest in no tiktok ain't no
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: ain't no like i'm staying out of that one i
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: ain't got no reason to participate in that world uh
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: i'm gonna awkwardly change the subject though get back right
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: fast to a little football because i'm curious about this
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: for you i'm not gonna lie I ain't watched no
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: 49ers game yet. I didn't feel like watching that. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: had something to do it at night or the first game.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And then after that, I didn't feel like they was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: really playing NFL teams. I think it was Arizona and Miami,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: but it sounds like Brock Purdy. Hey man, shout out
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to him. He has made this thing.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Work, right? Like, I don't, I don't know how good
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: he is, but I know he's not bad. Yeah. I'm, I,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I will send you some clips of some of the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: plays that he is making and, You'll be impressed.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know what got into him because like there are,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: of course, operating the offense and all that stuff. It's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: kind of what people say about Brock Purdy as a
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: knock on him. And of course, Mr. Irrelevant, like he
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: doesn't have these great physical tools. And the biggest credit
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that anyone would give him is like. he got the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: balls to believe that Kyle Shanahan was right and he'll
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: throw into a window that's not there because Kyle said
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it's going to be there. And that's like a sideways
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: compliment to say that you like gutsy, but you ain't
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: really producing this.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Nah, man.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Like I, this is the, like the zero sum nature
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of this stuff that we do sometimes that I think is,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: it's probably true in some cases, but, there's only so
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: many points that we're allowed to give out, and it
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: feels like if you give them to the quarterback, you're
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: taking them from the coach or coordinator, and we don't
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: appreciate the idea that sometimes you put two things, one
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: and one could equal four in certain cases, and I
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: feel like Brock Purdy did fit into that categorization of
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: he was kind of being carried by the players around
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: him in the offense and not making mistakes at one point.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's true anymore.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I think the thing to remember about Brock Purdy is
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And I think watching Case Keenum on Monday should be
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a bit of an illustration of the point I'm making.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Regardless of what you think about Case Keenum, Case Keenum
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: put up numbers in college. And Case Keenum sees himself
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: as the guy who put up numbers in college and, oh,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: by the way, quarterbacked a team to an NFC championship game.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: What you think about him is not the same in
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: all likelihood. So when you pull Case Keenum out to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: go start that game on Monday night, Case Keenum is like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: all right, time to give these people what they came for, right?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And he's doing that thing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy is like a conference player of the year
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: caliber dude when he was in school. Yeah, he's like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: why shouldn't I be out here playing? Like, I was
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: out here. I saw these other cats, you know? Like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I got this.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: You get the Case Keenum thing also where he's old
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: enough to know to tell us that bullshit. Because if
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you see at the beginning of the game, he was like,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I just want to see how it goes. I want
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: my kids really wanted to see me play, and I'm
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: going to go out there and play ball, and no
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: matter what, chips fall where they may.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be happy. That's the general vibe that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: he told to our Laura Rutledge.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Did you see that post-game?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: You knew exactly where I was going. Because that's what
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: he was thinking. He was like, I'm going to say
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: this because this is the right thing to say. But
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: what I was actually thinking was, this was taken from me.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm a Hall of Famer if they would have given
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: me the chance. And I just showed y'all motherfuckers.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: The look on his face when he said, I ain't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: no cowboy, but this ain't my first goddamn rodeo. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it all built to that moment. Like, you saw he
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: was doing all the right things and just saying the stuff.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And all that resentment just came out of him all
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: at once right there.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: He said he.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: This was taken from me. That's the part that stood
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: out in the build-up. He said, this was taken from me. Like,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: he thought he was the guy in Minnesota.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And they took it from him. Why not?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. That's what's so wild about
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: all these circles. And who did they replace him with?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. Exactly. And they paid all the... Wow, he's like, no!
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: The man right here. The man right here.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: He threw something to the Eagles. They didn't catch him, though.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: But he still balled out a great game.
• 27:32
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• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Run your game. All right, we are back on here
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: with Dominique Foxworth, and I'll be honest with you. I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: talked a lot of football with Deontay the other day.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I looked at the rest of these games. I don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: really want to talk about the Lions right now because
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make me feel very good. So we'll get
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to some football maybe, but it's other stuff that's going on.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And okay. We'll start here. Dominique said, and I need
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: you guys to understand something, especially for those of y'all
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: who go back with me, right? Because I've talked about
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: this for a while. The approach that I'm taking with
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the work I do and everything else is I do
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: this for the people that's been with me for the longest, right?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I've been doing this for 26 years. I do this
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: primarily for the people that's been with me for 26,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: then for the 25. Like, it is important to me.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I'm at that very satisfied place in what I do, right?
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: And so that means that a lot of y'all who
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: are here have been hearing me say this thing about.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Babyface for a very long time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if everybody was always this bad,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know people had the capacity to get
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: this bad.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I was referred to as both.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Anti-black and anti-real N-word. Wow. Yo, I'm telling you, man,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I even got people I know. I got a friend
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: of mine who jumped on Instagram to cop a plea
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: for me and say, no, he's my friend. He's just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: doing it for clicks. And I want to hit her
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: up and be like, yo, have you lost your mind?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that's it's been an interesting week.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I am curious. It's been so bizarre.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But I am curious, Dominique, you said you had a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: baby face thought. And I wonder what it is.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I've been catching, like, of course, my feed
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: being that you and I are close and I'm a
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: black man of a certain age and my feed has
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: been filled up with a lot of the baby face reactions.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And my first thought was like, why is everybody so
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: fired up?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And then I kind of realized two things is we
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: all want to be right and we all want to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: be celebrated. And when they think, when you think you
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: got an easy win, then people pile on. But the
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: thing that really resonated with me, the more I thought
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: about it, because no one has made an argument opposite you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: You've made an argument that is supported by your facts
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: or your opinions and some level of justification.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Everyone else's argument is.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: but baby face, like it's essentially some, some version of,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: but he talking about baby face and like, okay, I
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: get what you're saying there is like, this is too
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: absurd to even engage with. However, I think the reason
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: why people are so offended and I have, we all
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: have this experience where it's like, what songs in particular
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: in sports and certain art in a time means to you,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: it becomes a part of you. And so you being
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: critical of Babyface is also you being critical of their childhood.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes, or at least who.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: They think themselves to be, because I think some of
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the things that the cases you're making are somewhat, even
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: though it's subjective, it's somewhat undeniable about like the creativity.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And the complexity of the songs.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: But I think the same thing could be true for like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I loved the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Loved them. But I'm not going.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: If you tell me Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ain't better
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: than The Wire, I'm going to be like.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: You're right. But Donatello meant so much to me when
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I was young. That's my thing. Here's my thing. We
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: could disagree.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I think that people are under this impression that I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: have no room for people to disagree, which I believe
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to be untrue. And I feel like my shows with
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you are a great example of this. We do a
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: great job of disagreeing with each other. The irony of
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it is nobody trying to let your boy have his
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: own opinion. Nobody in the way.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. If we just it's because it's you, too.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of it's kind of we talk
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: about the call Hannah Jones people.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Some people be waiting on a chance.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Right. And they feel that this is their opportunity. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: want to say this one thing, though, about the idea
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of simple songwriting. I need to clarify. Bob Marley writes
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: simple songs. I love Bob Marley songwriting. Right. I play
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: your favorite song. We can rock it all night long.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: There's a whole scene set up right there in those
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: two sentences, right? Like I'm not expecting people to be
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: out here. Not everybody's got to be out here kicking
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: wicked complex mathematics. In fact, I don't really like that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: per se. I don't mean that I feel like something
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is simple just to say that it's not complex.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I mean simple like ton. You know what I mean?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And I know that people don't necessarily like that when
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: they hear that. But no, most great songwriters are simple
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and get right to the point. I just don't like
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: this dude. I don't like his, I mean, and I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: don't mean not him. I don't know that cat, you know, right?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It ain't even about my general aversion to the level
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of something that he's offered a measure of endorsement for.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about that. I just, cats is
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: ready to excommunicate me.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: It's all I've done. Not even all I've done. I've
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: done everything I did for y'all. No, not that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: But I thought I had earned a little trust out
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: here in these streets. I thought I had some equity
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: out here. Nobody got no equity, dog.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Nobody. You got some.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I think that's the thing is there's so many people
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: in the world. You have plenty of equity with plenty
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: of people. The people who are jumping up, you don't
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: got no equity with them. That's a whole different audience.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you that people who you have equity with
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: are not like, this is crazy.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I hate this man. He's stupid.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: He'll know nothing about music. And I think I fell
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: into this trap. Like if I read anything that I
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: wrote a long time ago, it's like, mistaken complexity for
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: good writing. And like the best writing is about getting
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: a point across and like the simplest way, the most
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: efficient way possible and like evoking some sort of emotion
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: in people. And if, if baby face did that for
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: you when you was in the fifth grade and he
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: don't do that for you now, not you, but Marty,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: but just anybody that's fine.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And if, if that's what you want to say, that's okay.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And if he moves you, that's fine. But I don't know.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: It is to me, it feels a lot like sports
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and that's why it does feel perfect where it's like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: We can hate on Jalen Hurts as Eagles fans.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: They'd be killing him. But let's you say something bad
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: about him.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also, if one wishes to be, if I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: were to be a more self-aggrandizing fellow than I am,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: one could argue that people, when they want you to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: like them and want you to like what they like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: they become even more disappointed when you don't like what
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they like. So this is perhaps in the eyes of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: some of these people, actually a grand show of respect
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: in their simple disappointment. that I am not here to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: affirm whatever their opinion may be. Now, if I were
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that type of person, I would offer that rather than
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: simply proposing it as a theory of sorts.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I would say that like we all put ourselves in
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: different groups.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And I imagine.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: That a lot, a lot of the people who are
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: putting out this, like you're anti-black or.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Well, that's just people who don't know how to talk.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: That's the internet breaking people's brains.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: But I think that that's not a real comment. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: think the, but the sentiment is real. And I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: that those people are probably people who see. you and
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: them as of the same ilk. It's like, I'm a middle-aged, smart, left-leaning,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: sophisticated person who's also cool, and Beaumont represents that, and
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: then you said something that they don't agree with?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Who's like, I thought you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Was my boy. Also, potentially, eight years after I said
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: something about their mothers and ways that we could have
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a great time. You know, like, They be talking about
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: them chickens, boy. They come home to roost, man. You know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: they come home to roost. I want to throw this
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: out here, though. Mike Tomlin did something fascinating, okay?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Before we move to Mike Tomlin, you should, like, have
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: an episode at some point where you, like, do have
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: this conversation with someone who has a smarter opinion on
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: music than I do.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not as adept in R & B.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I probably should, right? But we got to let this
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: go after this week, man.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: It'll do numbers, though.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. It'll do numbers for Kev. It'll
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: do numbers for all these other angry people.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: That's why I said bring it on here. But it
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: hasn't really done numbers for us. That is the worst
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: part about this.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It's what I always say about this goddamn social media
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and all this exploitation. Everybody else get the numbers off
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: being mad at me. When I'm like, hey, don't you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: want to hear me talk about it?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Fuck you. You know what happens?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Cam takes another little piece of it and then they
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: just go run over there and.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Talk. My bad.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Nah, nah, nah. It's been a weird week.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: It's been a weird week, but also weird. Mike Tomlin. Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. It's funny. We talked about
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: this off Mike.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, Mike.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I have been surprised at how good he's been.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: On television because i felt like he spent so much
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: effort not telling us things that i had no way
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to know if he would actually have anything to say
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to us number one and number two he was working
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: for the most boring of the broadcast in nbc that's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: just the brand i like they got like maria's incredible
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: on there but i like she's i feel like she's
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: too good for that she got all that energy and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: everybody else is over there like hey hey hey somebody's
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: trying to take a nap over there You.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Know, like that's the vibe.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: But Tomlin's over there with things to say. The Browns
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: is the Browns. He's being critical of coaching decisions, things
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you don't see. And then Mike Tomlin shared with the world.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: And this don't mean a whole lot to me. However, apparently,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and I learned this because Spencer called me to tell me,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: he's a really big Minecraft fan.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't know what Minecraft is,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it appears to be kind of similar to like SimCity, right?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Where you get onto a computer and you build your
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: city and you plan it out and you put buildings
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And at least from what I could tell
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: from what Mike Tomlin was talking about, that's what it was.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Because he got a city that.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: He's been building since 2015, including a Trump Tower that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: he says, quote, I didn't think he would win when
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I built it because he built it in 2015. And
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: he was running through the... insides of the buildings and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the decor and the decisions that he made.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: His son, did you see this?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: His son got on Twitter and was like, I would
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: come home some days and my PlayStation would be gone
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't even on punishment. Because Mike Tomlin was
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: over there on the PlayStation making up his city. Spencer
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: was explaining to me that there are all these different
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: ways you could do it. You could do it on
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a desktop, far easier ways.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: No.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin does it on the PS5, and that man
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: sounded so, like, satisfied and happy. Like, when you see
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: those videos of people with their houses in Architectural Digest,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and they just love to show off what it is
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: they've done, that was Mike Tomlin talking about playing this
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: simulated whatever it is.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: So I am— Hold on.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Hold on. This is— that video of him on YouTube talking
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: about this got 700,000 views.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: That the intersection of people that will be interested in
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: that is so huge. Like people online is like Steelers,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: football fans, and also like all the Minecraft community, which
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: has to be really huge. And my understanding is it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: slightly different than SimCity. It's like SimCity is like you're
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: pretending to be a mayor and there are actual goals
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: and responsibilities to doing it. And this- It's kind of,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: you do whatever you want. It's more like, like building
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: art to me.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Or making like sculpting in a way where you are
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: dropped into like a landscape with a dude and a hatchet.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Got you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And you got to gather shit. Oh, okay. So you're
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: starting from much more of a zero.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I believe so. My kids, they haven't played Minecraft. They're
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: older now and forever. But apparently they're not too old.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: They're definitely not too old. But maybe you got to
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: come back around to it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: It's like puzzles. You do puzzles when you're a kid.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: You do puzzles when you're old. Ain't much puzzling in
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: between when you got other things to do. But yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: that makes it even more impressive if all of that
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: is true. But yeah, it seems like it could be
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: incredibly cathartic for somebody like that who....
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Has this drive to like do something.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: But also like the work is high pressure. Like, look,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I have built this today. Something was done.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Like as, as simple as it sounds, I recognize how
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: good that feels and sitting at a computer reading and
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: watching tape and all that. Like sometimes I feel like
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I ain't done shit today, but if I, if I
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: make something, cause you got some, you got some evidence,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: you got some receipts. Now my question for him is,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Has he ever sounded that happy and satisfied watching something
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: that happened in football as he is there? Like, I
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: think that with football, there's no way to look at
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: a glass half full. Like the watching film is always
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: in looking for the mistake or looking at the hole.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: All he sees in Minecraft is what he has accomplished.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: And also love Mike Tomlin.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: We'd always had him as like the coolest of the coaches.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And he came out and wanted to be like, Hey guys,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I've looked into this officially, but.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I might have a touch of that tism. There's a dollop,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: just a dollop of it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, my friends who have that
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: touch of tism are so excited that Mike Toblin is
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: over there doing their stuff.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Like anything in the world, there are huge benefits to
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: any type of character trait that you could have if
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: you can find it and channel it in the right way.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Like, thank God Michael Jordan was 6'6 and athletic as hell. Yes, yes, yes.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, he didn't develop that personality as a
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: result of playing basketball. He's a basketball-playing psychopath, which he
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: was not. He was always going to be a psychopath.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How about this? We need to be glad he
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: figured out he could play basketball before he figured out
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that he could fight. Because otherwise, he'd be the dude
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: challenging the biggest dude at the bar every time he
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: pulls up.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: That's a lot nicer than I thought it might have
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: ended up. There we go. You're just fighting that bar.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: We good. Oh, yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. There's that. There's also....
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: There's also that element. Tomlin ain't coming back to no coaching.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Like, the only time we're going to hear about him
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: coming back to coaching is going to be in, coincidentally,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: he's in the final year of his contract with NBC.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yep. You're right. He got to use that negotiation tactic.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: He's going to go take some Rooney Rule interviews just.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: To get that money up on NBC. Yo, I ain't
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: going to lie, though.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: If Mike Tomlin started taking the Rooney Rule interviews, I'd
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: be done with him.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I would be completely done with him. He should make
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: a business out of it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Just every offseason, he should have all of them come
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: to his house and like, look, put.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Some money on the table. I got five minutes for
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: all of you. Like do a speed date situation. In fact,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the best part is we will find a way.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: This is how they would give the game away because
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: they would be like, do you remember that time that
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones asked Dennis Green to do a video interview
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: or a telephone interview as their Rudy Rule interview?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how they would give the game away on
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: this one. They'd be like, hey, Mike, how about we
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: just get you to zoom in?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: How's that? You want me to do what? Mike wouldn't
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: do that. I would hope that Mike would not do that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: But after I saw Mike play at Minecraft, I feel
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like anything is on the board. I have no idea.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I do think, though, him saying that thing about Trump,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't think he would win.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: That was a good of a.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Good to know. Good to know. You can't assume with
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: football players.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, you're right.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: We talked about this last time. We are a much
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: more conservative rule-following group of people, which I guess isn't
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: consistent with that particular president, but it is certainly more conservative.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a little bit.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: More the issue comes into following the lead of the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: people at the front of your rooms.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of respect for people at the front
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: of the room.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: And them cats is voting for Trump. Speaking of which,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I just saw NBA champion Knicks still undecided if they
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: will visit the White House. And I know that Dolan
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: said they was going to go. These cats got– what
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: y'all going to do?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get the sense that– I mean, I
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: don't know them personally, but it don't feel like there's
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: a bunch of guys on that team that are looking
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: to create any waves. So I agree with the sense
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: that they'll do whatever they think will be least wavy.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: The problem is it might be wavy either way. Which waves?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Like the waves with the dude upstairs? The waves with
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the people in the street? Like, what's it going to be?
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Here's a question. I know a game I would run
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: if I was Trump.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I would try to schedule my next powwow with Zoran.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: around that and try to like run it all together
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a big old New York celebration.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: But that's assuming that you think that he don't want
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: the drama like I think that he prefers the drama.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: No no I think that Trump definitely wants the team
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to be there and Zoran is their buddy I mean
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying Zoran would go along with it but
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I would be trying to triangulate this if I was
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Trump but don't forget Dolan don't like Zoran Yeah, of course.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: So if the team, right?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So if the team needs Zoran to be there and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: then Dolan don't want to holler at Zoran. Because remember,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: didn't Dolan say something crazy to Zoran at the parade?
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, he like, yeah, he like came on after him
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: and was shooting subs, right?
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Subliminal shots. Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, I'm going to say this last thing
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: before we go just because I found it interesting and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like the people who listen to this show
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: will find this interesting. Have you seen these articles that
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: people have had about how the Republicans had planned to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: make Zoran the boogeyman? Like, Obama and Biden had been
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: these boogeymen this whole time, and the plan was to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: make Zoran the boogeyman. And the problem is, while many
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: people fervently disagree with him, they all like him, like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: including Trump.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: So, like, it doesn't work. Like, you don't want to
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: be like Bob Donnie. They're like, ah, you know, he's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: kind of cute.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: That's a reminder that all this highfalutin talk we do.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Is you cool or not? I fuck with you or nah.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Like that's like ultimately, which like, that's what the party
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: system is.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: It's like putting a stamp of approval on somebody like, yeah,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: he won us. You can fuck with him.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Counterpoint Ted Cruz. Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Keeps all winning somehow.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Amazingly.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, one last thing. Now that I think about it,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: cause I have you here. You were in the studio
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: when Nick Saban pulled up on, get up. And continued
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: his pro Protect College Sports Act rap. And he got
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: up there. These coaches are all in this one. The
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: coaches are worth more than players. Yet, they feel the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: need to cap the salary for players. But not, you know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, then the market, as Mina has
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: said many times, if that's the case, let the market
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: dictate it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: But they didn't let you.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: On there with them, Dominique.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, you think I ain't asked? I didn't know he
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: was going to be on there. I asked and....
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: And we talked about what we could do in the
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: future about, like, on this specific topic. But at the moment, and, like,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: of course, respectful shake his hand and whatever. I disagree
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: with it. But, like, I hadn't really weighed in. But
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I had to go and do something on my show
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: because I just felt so gross. And, like, I wasn't
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: on set. If I'm on set, I have to ask
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the question. like they just did they broke away from
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: our normal get up structure to do like a one
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: on one interview with him about his documentary and then
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: he pumped that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: That bill and it just was like.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I wish and of course I talked to Green and
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: he said he hadn't read much about it and I
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: was like I wish somebody would have gave him a
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: little bit of pushback. So, and I went home wondering like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: what would I have done if I had time to prepare?
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: And I boiled it down to one simple question that
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I did off the top of my podcast is like,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: when people start talking about this and talking about the
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: chaos in college sports or women's sports.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Or transfer rules or salary.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Caps, and they say that the Protect College Sports Act
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: is a solution, you need to ask them this one question,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: is who gets the power to make the rules, to
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: change the rules, and enforce the rules?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And the answer is going to be the team, the schools,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the administrators.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Like, it's essentially reverting back to the way the system
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: was in the NCAA. And I think they wisely put
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: some reasonable, like, rules in there to say this is
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: what we're going to do because you can look at
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: it and say that's reasonable, but that ain't nothing but
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: a bait and switch. It's like we, or not even
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: a bait and switch, it's like we're going to give
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: you this small gift if you sign this sheet. And
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that's a nice gift. You sign that
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: sheet and then you look up and you're like, oh,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I'm stuck again. They want antitrust protection.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: It's like I just wanted a t-shirt and now I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: got a credit card with a 30% interest rate.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's unfortunate because I've seen a bunch of
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: people who I know are on the, like, this is
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: a business and the players should have some rights. I've
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: seen people online say things like, oh, no, but, like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: the salary cap will be so high and this will
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: be so good. Like, it's the same thing that baseball
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: is trying to do now in order to get.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: A salary cap.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, no.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: No.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: We'll make sure that you make more this year than
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: you did last year, you know, under the cap. But
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: they're playing a long game. They're looking to get the
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: current players to sell out the future players. That's the
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: same thing they're doing in college, looking to get or
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: they're doing it different. They're like, nah, we ain't even
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: going to talk to you. We can go over your head.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: We don't get the government to come in and say
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: that we ain't got to follow no rules. We can
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: be the only business that ain't got to follow no rules.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: And like, of course, pro sports teams have antitrust exemptions.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I know you know that. But the reason why they
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: have those antitrust exemptions is because they are required to
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: collectively bargain the rules that the players live under.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yep. It is my thing I say to ESPN. I,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Beaumont Jones, not Dominique Fosworth. is you don't have to
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: talk to Nick Saban about that because Nick Saban is
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: not an expert on that bill. He is simply a
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: proponent for it. By the time that bill had gotten passed,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: they put so much stuff in it, I don't know
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: if Saban even knows all the things that are actually
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: in it. For whatever reason, he has chosen that this
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: is his cause and he is a proponent, but he
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: is not somebody that is there to offer information. He
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: is only there to campaign for it. And so to me,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: your audience, you don't owe that to your audience. I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: do think you owe your audience a measure of information
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: on it, But it gets to something to me when people,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: when Burke Magnus has said that ESPN is going to
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: cover college football more and I get it. And the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: idea is that the ratings are so high on the games,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: then it should be talked about more on the shows.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: But the reason that those shows typically don't talk more
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: college football is it's so much information, so much information
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to consume. And then it becomes somewhat difficult to decide
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: what information until you get deeper into the season and
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: what the big games are become clearer. Your audience doesn't
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: operate from the same baseline level of information. on things, right?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: So like Ohio State and Indiana is going to come.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: You can't just talk about Indiana or Ohio State when
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it comes around. Like, well, everybody knows who the quarterback is.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows who the da-da-da. No, because there's so much
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that goes on. And that's what gets me about the
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: issue in talking about this bill is it has so
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: much information and there's so many things that surround it
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that when it gets thrown out there, it's hard to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: talk about responsibly before a national audience just because we're
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: not operating from a baseline.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: That everybody understands.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: And so when you put Saban out there, you're treating
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: it like everybody understands what's going on, and he's just there, well,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: you know what it is, and now we're operating for
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: shared information. No, the information becomes the campaigning from Nick
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Saban or the campaigning for Ted Cruz, because I tell
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you who I bet they could call. I bet you
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: get Jay Billis in there, and I bet it'll sound
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit different. And I haven't seen anybody pipe
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Jay in from his house yet. Just say it. If
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: that's what we're doing, that's what we can do. But
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I also, to be fair, understand how television producers work.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, that's the thing that's going on
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: right now. Why don't you throw this out here? We'll
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: be able to do that. We can clip some of it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: We can throw it on social. We'll get some engagement.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And it'll go from there.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, I am not, like, ascribing any nefarious behavior
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: to anybody.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Like, my guess is.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: The most powerful people in sports are also the most
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: famous people in college sports, also the most famous people
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: in college sports. It just so happens that the athletes,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: they don't stay in college long enough to be associated
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: with college in the way.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: That these guys are.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: So when you want someone on a show, you're going
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: to get a star. And the stars happen to be
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: the administrators and the coaches. And for the administrators and
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: the coaches, this bill makes perfect sense. So like, that's
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: my thing is like, I don't think Nick Saban, I'm
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: not going to say whether he's good or bad.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: That ain't my role. I don't care.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: And the same thing could be said about all the
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: other people who've been promoting this bill across our network.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that the producers or anybody has
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: this master plan. Like, yeah, we're going to win this.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to get this passed in the House and
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: the Senate. We're going to get it signed into law.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's thinking like that. I think they're like,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Nick Saban wants to come on our show. We want
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Nick Saban on the show. He wants to talk about what?
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll ask him a question about that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Get it out the way because ultimately also no one cares. Like,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: no one is tuning in Nick Saban to find out.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Like, the people who are trying to coax into watching
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: the show aren't like, I wonder how Nick Saban feels
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: about the college sports bill. And so, like, even including
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: that is a favor. And then what I would want
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: and all of us would want is like, now we
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: got to push back. And they're like, no, we want
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: to get that out and get it off and get
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: back to the stuff that they care about.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: And my thought is like.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: which is why I kind of came up with this
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: little simple question, who gets the power and who has
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: the control? I don't want to talk about all this
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: good stuff that it does, all this great stuff that's helping.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Anybody who has any of these people on or anybody
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: who is promoting.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: This bill, also ask who has the power, who gets
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: the control. That's it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you the biggest test that we could
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: do is somehow with that revenue sharing number or whatever
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it is, put that coach's staff number in that same
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: pot And now we're going to find out who really
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: worth this money.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: AD, put them all in there. Put them all in there.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: And we're going to let the market, in this case,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: was the clips out, let God sort them out?
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yep. God is the market. Like I always say. Y'all
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: pray to it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: In Adam Smith, Adam Smith, Wealth and Nation, the idea
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: of the invisible hand, God. That's what they're saying is, well,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: how's the rest of it going to work it out?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: God going to work it out, right? Let God work
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: it out right here. We're going to find out who
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the real players are in this year. But hey, Dominique Foxworth,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: check him out at the Dominique Foxworth Show, available for
• 57:11
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• 57:13
  Speaker 1: trying to catch up to you, baby. Get ourselves a
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: little studio space.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? While I'm sitting here in
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: front of my kids. Well, that's that's that's for my
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: show for your show.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, but I'm trying to catch up to you.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: You had a point where somebody else paid for that.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: The studio I'm in.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Fair point.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: That's me, brother. Fair point.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: But that's because you such a player. You know, people
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that's like, yo, man, come in the studio, big dog.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: This how we know we old black, man. We having
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: a compliment on. If I had your hand, I'd cut
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: it off, dog. I'm just the man standing next to
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: the man, big dog. All right, my brother, you have
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: a good one. I appreciate you. Yes, sir.
• 57:51
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