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The Late Debate | 20 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome the Late pay.
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  Speaker 2: Good Evening. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Dora and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever had a boss tell you, hey, that's
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  Speaker 2: not a two person job. Will Some librarians in South
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  Speaker 2: Australia have come up with a hilarious take on that
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  Speaker 2: that's gone viral around the world. Will show you a
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  Speaker 2: little later. Plus, when we look at what's making news
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  Speaker 2: in tomorrow's papers, Australia's security agencies are warning assi's about
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  Speaker 2: the threat of Can you guess what the threat is?
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  Speaker 2: If you guessed misogyny, you'd be right. That's in the
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  Speaker 2: papers tomorrow, as well as an American comedian touring Australia
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  Speaker 2: accusing Victoria of being a racist state, claiming he was
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  Speaker 2: racially profiled at Melbourne Airport. All of that when we
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  Speaker 2: get to tomorrow's papers. But first, women are accusing the
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  Speaker 2: AFL of jeopardizing safety and trashing fairness in women's football
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  Speaker 2: by allowing anyone who identifies as a woman to compare
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  Speaker 2: meat at a community level. Now, when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the elite level of AFL, the code has pretty strict
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  Speaker 2: standards regarding transgender players, which effectively bans them from taking part.
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  Speaker 2: But their gender inclusion policy when it comes to grassroots football,
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  Speaker 2: well it's almost offensively inclusive. Have listened to Sky News
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  Speaker 2: reporter Caroline Marcus explaining.
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  Speaker 3: Jill Chalmers spent many years creating a Masters league for
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  Speaker 3: women who'd missed out on playing footy when young because
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  Speaker 3: there'd been no options for them. Now she's fighting a
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  Speaker 3: new battle.
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  Speaker 4: We're just calling on everyone to have option, to feel
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  Speaker 4: safe and have a fair go.
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  Speaker 3: The Melbourne teammates is speaking out about the AFL's gender
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  Speaker 3: diversity policy, formed after the league banned trans player Hannah
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  Speaker 3: Mounci from playing AFLW in twenty seventeen. While elite and
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  Speaker 3: state competitions now require transpla players to undergo testosterone and
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  Speaker 3: physical testing, at the community level, anyone who identifies as
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  Speaker 3: a woman can play. Safety risks dismissed as a myth.
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  Speaker 2: That's quite astonishing that the AFL claimed now there's no
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  Speaker 2: safety risks allowing biological men to play against women. That's
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  Speaker 2: all a myth. But it gets even crazy. Let me
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  Speaker 2: read to you from the AFL's gender diversity policy. It
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  Speaker 2: says in community football, social inclusion, which is an interesting phrase,
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  Speaker 2: has a greater priority than concerns about possible competitive advantages.
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  Speaker 2: If gender diverse players participate, it's an extraordinary admission that
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  Speaker 2: social inclusion is the main priority when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: grassroots football, not the safety of women or the fairness
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  Speaker 2: of the sport. And Joe and Liz. The other thing
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  Speaker 2: that strikes me about that policy is the abcuse phrasing.
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  Speaker 2: They say social inclusion, What the heck is social inclusion?
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  Speaker 2: And then they talk about gender diverse footballers. What's a
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  Speaker 2: gender diverse footballer? Is surely what they mean by social
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  Speaker 2: inclusion and gender diversity is biological men. But the reason
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  Speaker 2: they don't say that is because we all know that
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  Speaker 2: concerns about possible physical advantages are real concerns. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a possibility, it's a biological fact. Men are stronger and
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  Speaker 2: generally larger than women. It's not fair and it's not safe.
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  Speaker 4: No in the AFL have now set up this ridiculous
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  Speaker 4: system whereby the recognize it's not safe or fair at
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  Speaker 4: an elite level, but in community football they say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: different levels of sport have different priorities, So at the
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  Speaker 4: community level it's more.
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  Speaker 5: About social inclusion.
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  Speaker 4: At the elite level, it is more about competition, and
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  Speaker 4: that's why we've done it the way that we've done it.
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  Speaker 4: Shouldn't you just do the whole thing according to what
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  Speaker 4: is safest for the women playing. At a really important
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  Speaker 4: point that needs to be made is unity football.
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  Speaker 5: If anything, these women.
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  Speaker 4: Are more vulnerable to playing with biological men because they're
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  Speaker 4: not the fittest, they're not the biggest, they're not the toughest.
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  Speaker 4: They are in fact older, they're thirty five plus, just
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  Speaker 4: always wanted to pay AFL. Back in their day, there
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  Speaker 4: were no options for women to play the great game.
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  Speaker 4: So now they're living out their dream much older in life.
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  Speaker 4: But it's fair as long as we're all a bit
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  Speaker 4: older and we're all a bit softer, and we're all
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  Speaker 4: just having a bit of fun kicking around a ball
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  Speaker 4: until you get a man with the right pronouns rocking up.
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  Speaker 4: And these women are now being forced to risk their
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  Speaker 4: well being or opt out.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what the league is now seeing. In community football,
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  Speaker 5: women are just.
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  Speaker 4: Not self censoring, but taking self, yes self excluding taking
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  Speaker 4: themselves out of the game because when you're a bit
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  Speaker 4: older and injury can set you back for forever.
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  Speaker 1: As the only person on the panel, I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: who has some experience in gender diverse football. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I, well, it was the under eleven's Daninong red legs.
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  Speaker 1: It was the Daninong primary school team where I was
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  Speaker 1: occasionally allowed to play in the back pocket. I was
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  Speaker 1: not very good and that was the least important position,
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  Speaker 1: and so they'd sometimes let me have that. I once
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  Speaker 1: almost played a full game. Incredible, you wouldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Point being, I was raised by hippies and my mother.
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  Speaker 1: When I was lucky enough to get a home haircut,
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  Speaker 1: I would get one, but they were few and far between.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly never saw the inside of a barbershop and
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  Speaker 1: so I had quite long hair. When I was in
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  Speaker 1: grade five and six and one of the members of
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  Speaker 1: the opposing team at a particular match said to the
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  Speaker 1: captain of our team, Hey, I didn't know you let
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  Speaker 1: girls play on your team. I was that girl. So
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  Speaker 1: I was a pioneer for breaking down gender barriers in
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  Speaker 1: in AFL. Thank you, thank you. I thought it would
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  Speaker 1: be that that is an absolute true story. That is
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  Speaker 1: a carcare fruct.
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  Speaker 4: But Dandenong in that age bracket, there weren't enough girls
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  Speaker 4: who wanted to play so they were just like.
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  Speaker 1: I just looked like a girl, that's all. I just
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  Speaker 1: looked like a girl. That's it. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: But back to the AFL's policy.
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  Speaker 1: But back the AL policy. You agree with it, I
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  Speaker 1: am going to trigger everybody. What you're saying it is
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  Speaker 1: actually very consistent. But they're saying that at an elite level,
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  Speaker 1: it's all about the competition, but at the community and
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  Speaker 1: grassroots level, it's all about getting out there encouraging as many.
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  Speaker 4: People the safety and well being of the play.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't actually, well, they haven't really sort of set
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  Speaker 1: that as a criteria. The reason that they didn't allow
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  Speaker 1: an Amounci to play was because you had to dispel
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  Speaker 1: perceptions of physical advantages. It said so, so it was
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  Speaker 1: because they didn't want it to be or to be
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  Speaker 1: perceived to be that she had a physical advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Even the language of perceived to be is insult to
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  Speaker 2: people with a mediocre of intelligence and experience. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a perception of physical I think.
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  Speaker 1: But also at the elite level, you would have to
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  Speaker 1: see it with your own eye. I thought at the
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  Speaker 1: elite level you would have the risk, and I think
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  Speaker 1: in some cases it seems like this is something that
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  Speaker 1: has happened of people who are so obsessed with sport
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  Speaker 1: that they think, well, I wasn't much good as a bloke,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe if I can find a way to compete
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  Speaker 1: in the women's in the women's competition, I can get
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  Speaker 1: a higher result. So it eliminates the risk of someone
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  Speaker 1: trying to game the system by playing in as a woman,
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  Speaker 1: even though they have the advantage of being born a
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  Speaker 1: man and testosterone in order to win. If someone is
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  Speaker 1: just playing for the fun of it, then clearly that
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  Speaker 1: is not going to attract people who are trying to
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  Speaker 1: do anything to their bodies.
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  Speaker 5: It takes the fun out of it.
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  Speaker 4: For women who are thirty five plus, you just want
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  Speaker 4: to play AFL with other rather inexperience.
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  Speaker 5: No pros on the field.
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  Speaker 4: Type women argue they are more vulnerable to the dominance
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  Speaker 4: of them.
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  Speaker 1: And I say that every time this issue comes from
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  Speaker 1: I'm still just not entirely convinced that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these are sort of hypothetical scenarios that aren't necessarily playing
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  Speaker 1: out in great numbers across the community. Like I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure if is there a particular transplayer who has showed
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  Speaker 1: up to play for this this community football this over.
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  Speaker 4: Clearly they are, because we're hearing reports from that community
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  Speaker 4: that these women are just opting out because they don't
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  Speaker 4: want to risk the injury.
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  Speaker 5: That's when man rots up.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, But is it a particular person all say
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  Speaker 1: people are saying, I don't want to play in it
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  Speaker 1: if there's a possibility that this could happen. But are
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  Speaker 1: we talking about an actual scenario where someone's rocked up
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  Speaker 1: and said, you know, hi, my name's Wonder and I
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  Speaker 1: want to play football. I just I'm not convinced that
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  Speaker 1: this is this vast kind of epidemic across the community.
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  Speaker 2: One instance, just one time. Wouldn't that be enough to
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  Speaker 2: say you can't have women's sport with any integrity if
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  Speaker 2: it's got biological men involved. So whether it's a risk,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's fair, whether people want to compete or they're
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  Speaker 2: just having fun. The point is, if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have a sport that you say this is a women's competition,
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  Speaker 2: then it's either a women's competition, or.
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  Speaker 1: Again, but again and again, if it is an elite
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  Speaker 1: competition where it is all about.
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  Speaker 2: The you know people, rich community people.
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  Speaker 1: So my son plays on a.
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  Speaker 4: Mixed mix, he's a guy, so he's not really risking
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  Speaker 4: injury playing.
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  Speaker 1: With What about the girl who's playing? What about the
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  Speaker 1: girls playing?
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  Speaker 4: Be perfectly fine with your daughters, say they're teenagers looking
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  Speaker 4: up and having guys.
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  Speaker 1: Daughter also plays on a mix soccerate. I know this
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  Speaker 1: is shocking, my daughter plays.
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  Speaker 5: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's different when suddenly the argument from one Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know i FL is different to rugby league, and
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  Speaker 1: rugby league is different to powerlifting, where it's not a
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  Speaker 1: contact ruffle the game.
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  Speaker 4: The more stringent the rules need to be in order
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  Speaker 4: to ensure women's safety.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so weightlifting's okay, then it's not a contact sport.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also insulting to say.
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  Speaker 1: Like what is it? Is it the safety or the
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  Speaker 1: competitive advantage?
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  Speaker 2: It's all of those things, but if it was none
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  Speaker 2: of those things. The bottom line is, if you're going
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  Speaker 2: to call it women's sport, then you can't have biological
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  Speaker 2: men competing, whether advantage or no advantage, safe or unsafe.
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  Speaker 2: See the female sport where it's not.
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  Speaker 4: And this comes down to one thing, and one thing alone.
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  Speaker 4: Nearly every sporting code has fallen foul of it, and
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  Speaker 4: that is weak leadership. You cannot even acknowledge the nose
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  Speaker 4: on your face, and now AFL has egg all over
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  Speaker 4: that face because they can acknowledge it. At one level,
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  Speaker 4: that's okay, yep, no men allowed in the elite levels.
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  Speaker 4: But community, you guys are just about having a good
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  Speaker 4: time and therefore you guys can suck it up.
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  Speaker 5: It's inherently unfair.
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  Speaker 4: It's patently basically begging women to take a beating.
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  Speaker 5: For a cause that they didn't sign up for.
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  Speaker 4: But the Sporting Code has Let's move to EV vehicles now,
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  Speaker 4: because we all know the government remember one of Labour's
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  Speaker 4: pre election policies that by twenty thirty the vast majority
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  Speaker 4: of cars sold in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Word b evs.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, a very big problem is there's not enough charges.
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  Speaker 4: So even now people who have bought an EV are like,
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  Speaker 4: where am I supposed to fuel up with electricity still
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  Speaker 4: generated by fossil fuels, but somehow it's better for the environment. Well,
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  Speaker 4: ampole has just put a dent in those plans by
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  Speaker 4: the Australian government, pulling the plug on their plans, saying actually,
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  Speaker 4: initially this was a good idea, now.
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  Speaker 5: It's not looking so good.
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  Speaker 4: Here's Chris Bowen on the second of August, just earlier
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  Speaker 4: this month, promising that it's all going.
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  Speaker 5: To be fine. We're investing in more ev charges.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone take a back seat, We're taking care of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's money that we're announcing today will support am Pole
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  Speaker 2: in rolling out two hundred new charges by twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: And this is key.
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  Speaker 4: Now Ampole have dialed back their plans to roll out
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  Speaker 4: all these charges, saying we actually all read we have
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  Speaker 4: one hundred chargers that are either already built or underway
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  Speaker 4: in Australia and New Zealand, we just can't connect them.
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  Speaker 5: To the grid. The grid is the problem.
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  Speaker 4: I've been saying this for so long about renewables because
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  Speaker 4: our grid was not designed to accommodate renewable energy, and
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  Speaker 4: so the amount of money that we've already spent on
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  Speaker 4: the grid, we only have one grid. You can come
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  Speaker 4: up with any number of sources of energy that you want.
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  Speaker 4: The grid is going to be a big pullback here
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  Speaker 4: because it's simply not designed for renewable.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing to do with being designed for renewable energy.
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  Speaker 1: It's not designed for the level of power that would
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  Speaker 1: be necessary in an entirely electric economy.
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  Speaker 4: So exactly designed energy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the renewable energy that comes in, it can come
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  Speaker 1: in from anywhere. The grid has no problem.
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  Speaker 5: We just handling that ounce of it.
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  Speaker 1: The amount required to power and all electric economy. So
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  Speaker 1: where electricity takes the place of gas takes, the place
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  Speaker 1: of petroleum takes, the place of oil takes, the place
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  Speaker 1: of everything. That is the problem. And everyone has known that,
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  Speaker 1: Everyone has known that the capacity of the grid needs
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  Speaker 1: to be built up enormously to transition. I hate that
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  Speaker 1: word so much to this this new all electric economy,
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  Speaker 1: and it's part of what people electrify everything, sort of
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing in Victoria and basically.
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  Speaker 5: How electrified cars and war and behind.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you do it, and that's right. So unless you
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  Speaker 1: have the capacity in the grid, entire electric dream falls apart.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got to make sure that you can get
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  Speaker 1: enough you get enough power in there before you start
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  Speaker 1: talking about taking power out. And clearly they're just not
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  Speaker 1: keeping pace. So it is an issue, but it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's not this incompatible with renewable energy.
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  Speaker 5: It's that the sheerest is for the reason style different.
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  Speaker 1: Renewable energy is just a description of where energy comes from.
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  Speaker 1: The source of the energy.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is when you're plug in your car, it's
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  Speaker 2: not like plugging in a kettle. You're plugging. It sucks
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  Speaker 2: so much power from the grid that the gas simply
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  Speaker 2: there's not a supplying it. This is a great example
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  Speaker 2: of how life can come at you very quickly. Am
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  Speaker 2: Pole announced they had ninety two charges, but they wanted
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  Speaker 2: three hundred by the end of the year. And Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen's excited, Chris Ampole on board. And so it's only
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  Speaker 2: eighteen days ago. You saw the video that he announces
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  Speaker 2: We're going to give millions to Ampole to help them
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  Speaker 2: do this, and here we are just three weeks after that.
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  Speaker 2: Having said that, not even an Ampole have pulled up.
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest challenge for EV drivers at the
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  Speaker 1: moment is that Elon Musk interviewed Donald Trubb and now
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  Speaker 1: the Tea and Enzla that everyone is driving I'm saving
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: the planet now stands for Trump lover, which I just
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  Speaker 1: find delicious by that.
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  Speaker 5: I do not buy that at all.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the stats show that hybrids are most people's
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: car of choice nowadays.
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  Speaker 5: So as much as the government has put in these fuel.
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  Speaker 4: Efficiency standards and trying to gradually make life harder for
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  Speaker 4: those of us who drive petrol cars, which is no
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  Speaker 4: problem to the grid. Petrol it up, baby, The grid
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  Speaker 4: is completely unaffected. And then we wonder why thousands of
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  Speaker 4: cars relying solely on the grid.
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  Speaker 5: The grid's packing it in the grid's I can't do this.
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  Speaker 4: According to the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries, there's a mouthful.
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  Speaker 4: Hybrid sales are up eighty eight point four percent in
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  Speaker 4: July compared to the same month last year, so that
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  Speaker 4: is a massive, massive increase, while EV sales were up
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  Speaker 4: six point six of new vehicle sales in July, which
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  Speaker 4: was down.
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  Speaker 5: From the prior year in July.
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  Speaker 4: So instead of the government going okay, this isn't taking
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  Speaker 4: off as planned, on the first of August, they came
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  Speaker 4: out and said we're doubling our funding for our Driving
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  Speaker 4: the Nation fund. It's now at five hundred million instead
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: of two fifty million. So I want to know how
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  Speaker 4: much a tax payers fitting the bill for this green
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: dream of our governments.
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  Speaker 1: Which one hundred million dollars in this case, according to
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  Speaker 1: the article.
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  Speaker 4: In the case of EV's has shown that people aren't
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  Speaker 4: even buying the cars, and yet they keep just investing
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  Speaker 4: more and more and more while putting the screws in
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  Speaker 4: petrol car drivers trying to jimmy the system.
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  Speaker 5: It's not working. The market says no.
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  Speaker 1: But even in the electric market, Tesla is also losing
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  Speaker 1: market share. And I am convinced it is because all
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  Speaker 1: the virtue signaling EV drivers who want to show what
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  Speaker 1: wonderful people they are so now suddenly mortified that they
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  Speaker 1: are driving Lord must personify automotive. I'm convinced. I'm absolutely
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  Speaker 1: convinced it is because there's no there's no escaping from it.
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  Speaker 2: But that aside the reason people are investing.
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  Speaker 1: You can't put that aside. It's the best part.
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  Speaker 2: Putting the best part aside. The reason people are investing
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  Speaker 2: in evs is because they're sorry in hybrids. It's because
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: they're hedging their bets, that's right, because you just don't
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  Speaker 2: trust this government to roll this out properly, and why
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  Speaker 2: would you. So people are saying, well, you know, well,
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  Speaker 2: I can't go fully electric because as too takes too
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  Speaker 2: long to charge the thing at home. If I'm traveling,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm going to be able to find
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  Speaker 2: a charger, so I'll make sure I've got an electric option.
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  Speaker 2: As well as a fuel option, because why would you
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  Speaker 2: trust Chris Bowen when they've just got no track record
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  Speaker 2: of having been able to deliver anything at all. Speaking
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  Speaker 2: of delivering in the UK, we know there's been riots
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: for the past couple of weeks. After three young girls
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: were stabbed to death. A rumor went around the UK
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that it was a immigration or recently arrived refugee ratherho
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: had been on a terror watch list. That proved to
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: be untrue. But people reacted not just to that incident
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: but to a number of incidents that have created a
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: lot of tension. So the UK police have been busy
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: rounding people up, arresting them for rioting, but also for
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: making mean tweets and unsavory Facebook posts criticizing the government.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: They've rounded up so many people, making a thousand arrests
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and charging four hundred and seventy people that they're literally
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: running out of prison cells in which to put them.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: So the governments come up with this plan called Operation
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Early Dawn. For every rioter or Facebook poster they put
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: in prison, they release somebody who was already serving time.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: A wonderful thing if you were sitting in prison thinking
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I've got so long to go in my sentence. Now
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the government have said, you know what, you only have
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: to serve forty percent of your original sentence because we
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: need you out so we can get these rioters and
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Facebook posters in. Here is the Prison Officers Association chair
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Mark Fairhurst explaining we.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Will guarantee a prison cell. We will make sure that
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: those people who need to be in prison will be
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: in prison, not necessarily in the area where they live.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: They may be two three hundred miles away from home,
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: but we will guarantee people at prison cell.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: With the numbers are so tired there, how can you
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: make that guarantee?
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: The are tait And that's why we've initiated Operation Early Dawn.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: So basically the easiest way to describe it is one in,
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: one out, So as people get released, we can then
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: pick up people from police cells and take them to
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: court and we will triage that three times a day.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So it's one in one out. Now I should point
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: out that doesn't apply to sex offenders, people on domestic
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: violence charges or terrorists. But Joe, if you were sitting
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: in a UK prison serving your time for any other crime,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you'd be pretty happy about this, wouldn't you.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: It's just so cooked from what he's saying. My understanding
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: is it's more that instead of these people being sentenced
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in actually going to prison, which is where you go
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: after you've being sentenced, they will still be continued to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: be held in jails or police cells and they will
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: just wait there until the next prisoner gets through. Layd say, hey, yah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Harry's got parole. Who okay? And you go mate? You
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: know what was it you said on Facebook? Oh yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you'll be in here for a while. So I think
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that that is what they're doing. I hope, against hope
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that they are not actually releasing early in all.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: They are policy. I just you only that is forty
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of your original center operation Early Dawn.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: You literally just described it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Joe.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: This cannot cannot, this cannot be Western civilization.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: But this, this is necessary because we need to deal
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: with people who are posting tweets critical of the government.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, those Facebook posts.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Remember the stories that we bought you last Thursday. Here's
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: old mate, he's sixty one years old. He got something
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: like twenty months in prison for simply chanting at a
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: rally where I've.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Seen hundreds of people chant this in unison. Allah allah
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: who the f is allah. He's gone to jail.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: So when we're talking about this onslaught of protesters that
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: they suddenly have to find all these prison positions for
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: these are the kind of people that they're locking up.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Then there was this older lady. I believe she's fifty
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: three years of age. She has been sent to prison
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: as well for a Facebook post.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: She is the sole carer for her.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Disabled husband, and yet the state says no compassion for you.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: She's never been in trouble with the state before one
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Facebook post. You're going to jail for over a year.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: This is the insanity that is going on in the
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: UK right now. No wonder their prisons are full, and
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: now they're like, oh, got a solution, will release actual
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: criminals serving their time in order to get the Facebook
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: posters and the rioters who once again, yes, they are
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: breaking the law and we do not condone that in
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: any way, shape or form. But their angst is not
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: being acknowledged.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: What has happened to the UK over the last few years.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Nigel Faraj is very well versed on this.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: The amount of immigration, legal and illegal that has happened
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: in the United Kingdom over the last term of the
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: government is unprecedented and people are sick to death of it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: It seems to be the only country in the world.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Where we've got make sure that the Indigenous aren't colonized.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Simply doesn't stand because England's wife, so colonizing.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Them is perfectly fine.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: It seems to be this inverse colonization the natives, the
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: indigenous in this case, the English have had enough. The
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: government refuses to acknowledge.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: The English, English and Indigenous to England. Oh, here we go,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the original original.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: If you watch the new Netflix series where Anne boy
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Lean is a black woman, do.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: You can do that?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: I suppose all indigenous in England the.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: First Britons were Celts, and they were driven out by
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the Angles and the Saxons.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: And that they were.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Just just getting back getting back white just white people
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: getting back to this well, just getting back toue of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: releasing people from prison. So you can get these writers
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in at least they're consistent because I well remember during
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the Black Lives Matter protests, how they arrested thousands.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: That's right, right, that is bad in Hypocrisy is bad,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and and that's writing is bad.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Police.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: That's why it's bad when people write in the name
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of BLM, and it's bad when people write in the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: name of anti immigration.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: But is consistency. They didn't do that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I get that, but it just it just it still
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: just doesn't wash with me that you know, we don't
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't get out advance. But these people have,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you know, angry for a reason. They're right to be
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: angry or whatever I mean saying saying on social media
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: we need to blow up the mosque. If not, you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: should be touched about.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That's hate speech and it's instantly that's right. And if
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: they said it about a synagogue, we'd all go crazy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: She deleted the post, and I would think, given that
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: she is the sole career for her husband, she obviously
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: posted that in a moment of passion and regretted it
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: deleted it took the sentence on the nose. But that
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: is where you all eyes are on the state, going
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: are you for real?
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: But she deserved state.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Incitement to violence has never ever been a tenant of actual,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: genuine free speech. And you can't go around saying blow
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: up the mosque and then when someone actually grows up
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the mosque say, oh sorry, I didn't know they were
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: actually going to do it, and that's different. And I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: have to say that's different, is Ourah, that's like that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: strikes me as almost a blasphemy law.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: In the midst of all of this, though that the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: context for the concern about the way the UK government
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: is behaving is that they've got form on trying to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: squash free speech. I mean, it was reported just this
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: week in the UK Telegraph that the Home Secretary of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: at Cooper she's now looking at laws regarding abortion clinics
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and they really are. They're seriously trying to outlaw silent
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: prayer outside abortion. You literally can't talk to God in
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: your own mind. The police want to have a say
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: over that. So the UK government have got form when
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: it comes to cracking down excessively on not just freedom
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: of speech, freedom of thought.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, and that has only come due to I can't
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: remember her name, but the woman who was arrested outside
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: an abortion clinic praying silently in her mind and was
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: arrested by the police. She did time for that. She's
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: actually been awarded a payout because she took them to
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: court for false imprisonment and a few other things.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: And it turned out she won.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: So now you've got the ministers in the UK going, well, actually,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: let's make sure we make this iron clad. Someone stand
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: within the double debt instead of just going wow, yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: that was full on someone's thoughts.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Aprid of it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: They can't be doing anything in their head in the
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: vicinity of an abortion clinic. Now they're doubling down, going, oh,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: this woman won in court.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: The law wasn't actually behind us.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Let's make sure the government is one hundred percent behind
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: this now. But to Brits who are facing this situation,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: and I can only imagine how tyrannical it feels. Here's
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: a little message from the US to the UK with love,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: straight out of their declaration of independence.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: When a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: the same object events as are designed to reduce them
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: under absolute despotism, and is their right, it is their
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: duty to throw off such government and provide new guards
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: for their future security. People won't talk that way anymore.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: No, they don't.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe we should bring it back to Sydney Water now,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: who have very quietly released on their website a final
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been talking about this stuff for the
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: longest time.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I love talking about forever chemicals.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I love talking about pfas I love talking about microplastics.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: They're all interchangeable. You will have heard of them before.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Sydney Water have come out and said, ah, for the
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: first time, we are acknowledging that cancer linked forever chemicals
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: have been detected across Sydney's drinking water catchments. H the
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: terror What have I been telling you? Now they're finally
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: admitting it. Water pollution expert Ian Wright says, I expect
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: that these results will be quite confronting to many people.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: This also contradicts statements made by the authorities that there
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: is no pfast risk in.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: The catchment without any doubt.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Further regular testing is needed and needs to be publicly
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: reported now. The Australian guidelines are currently under review after
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: America's EPA found there was no safe levels of.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: These of exposure to these chemicals, and yet where do
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: we find them.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: They're in our drinking water, they are in a lot
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: of your food, They're in a lot of your food packaging,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: they are in a lot of your medics. They're in
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: your sun's screen, they are in every meal that you cook.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: In that amazing it doesn't stick to anything. Whether they're
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: saucepans or fry pans, they're in your tooth fluss.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: I could go on and on and on.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: There's a reason why in America they spend two hundred
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and fifty billion dollars a year.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Two hundred and fifty billion. To put that in.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Perspective, that's more than the US spent on the entire
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: COVID pandemic two hundred and fifty billion dollars a year.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: America says that they spend on the health side effects
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: that people are progressively coming down with. Given that these
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: pfast chemicals now basically have infiltrated every part of our lives,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: even those disposable coffee cups that people drink.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: We go through millions of them every single day worldwide.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Microplastics, microplastics in those we're just downing them if it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: not already in the water.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is something that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Nobody is sorry, paid enough attention to, the government has
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: turned a blind eye to and keeps doing so because
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: they know if they were to put their foot down
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: on p fas, which is over fourteen hundred different chemicals
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: by the way, if they were to put their foot down.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: It would mean putting the foot down on multi billion
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: dollar companies and the way they produce their products, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: governments simply aren't willing.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: To do it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And what's really highlighted the problem we've got is the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: fact that, as you said, the USA have said no
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: level of exposure is safe and so they have adjusted
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: their guidelines, whereas in Australia there's currently a review going
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: into it. But could that take months? It could take years.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Some people are suggesting if the water supply is not safe,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: then that should be a matter of absolute urgency for
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: our government, no matter what they have to do or
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: how much it costs. If the US are making that move,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: why are we dragging our feet? Well?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I think everything in life is a matter of balancing risk,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: including COVID and the measures against it. Does the benefit
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: actually outweigh the cost to doing something? And I would argue,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: just for the sake of you know, an alternate point
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of view, if it's in absolutely everything, including everything we consume,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and the one thing we have to consume to stay alive,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: namely water, be fascy, maybe it is not as deadly
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: as people are being led to believe. In other words, yes, undoubtedly.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Now that we can trace all these things and find
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: all these things, in some cases you might be able
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to link it to someone's disease, and you might be
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: able to say, all, right, well, this is because it
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: built up plastics. And maybe years from now we'll find
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: out that this was this great killer that was calling
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: all these things. You know that some people say, I.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Think we've already found that out, Joe, two d and
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: fifty billion per year that the government is saying, our
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: hospitals are full of people who because this isn't just cancer,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: this is endometriosis, this is infertility in men and women.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: This is all cause to right by you name it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: The litany of sicknesses are connected to I can't believe
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: you it's important.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: If your life is your health.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: If it's so ubiquitous and it's so everywhere and we're
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: all consuming it all the time, why are we all
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: living longer than ever each past?
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Why are we sicker than ever?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Because so you're just saying manufacturers should be able to
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: use these chemicals, it is possible without using the chemicals, it's.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Possible that we've got the risk level right. It's possible
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that the USA has got to be sell.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: But again, if it's in the USA has now thanks
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: to incredible docos how to Poison a Planet on stand,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: do not miss it. That has blown the whistle on
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: these multi billion companies and where it has been proved.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Watch the doco.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: They knew, they knew, and they did it anyway. They
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: put these chemicals in water catch maybe and in all
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: of their products.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: They absolutely knew it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Just it just seems strange to me that, you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: if it really is in our it's strange to you
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: just the simple fact of it. If it's in our
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: water supply and we're all drinking it all the time,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't there be more clear, widespread and and community wide,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: like nationwide debilitating.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: There is in the US.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Or is it all just happening and we don't know
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: what we're blaming on absolutely.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: In the US.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: That's like saying, because nobody's really talking about this, it
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: can't be all that important.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I mean everyone's talking, everyone's talking about it, and people
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: are saying, all right, well, we've seen all this stuff.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: We know that, you know, we've finally been able to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: find that this is in Sydney's drinking water, for example,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: where previously we didn't know it was there, And it's
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: below below, It's below what were the previous risk levels
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: which are now being reviewed.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Except so you know, there's no exposure left. There's no
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: safe exposure level.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: But I'm a little bit with you in the sense
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: it who knows. I'm no expert. What concerns me is
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the government seem and authorities seem rather tardy in following
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: these things up. Is there if there is a suggestion
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that these things are as dangerous as you and others
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: are saying more, well, then they should be following it up.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: On your side, I'm saying they should get on their
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: start investigating. Here's a classic, bad, classic example of government tardiness.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: There was an article today saying that the EPA new
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: recycled soil products contained contaminants, that they were being sprinkled
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: around housing developments, in parks where children play. They were
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: a risk to the environment and to the community. They'd
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: known about this for a decade, they warned the New
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: South Wales Coalition in twenty twenty one, and nobody, not
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the EPA, in all the New South Wales Coalition who
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: were in government at the time, did anything about it.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: The EPA, after talking to industry, who obviously didn't want
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: any changes to their recycling methods, didn't want to spend
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: more money trying to get rid of these contaminants. They said, please,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: don't change any regulation. So the APAA said, okay, we'll
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: provide education for you and increased monitory So when you
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: read about that sort of response from government to known
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: contaminants being spread around children's playgrounds and housing developments, it
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: does make you concerned about how seriously government and that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Is another reason why they don't want to lift a finger,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: because to get rid of p fast, whether it's soil contamination,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: water contamination, is a really difficult one and we had
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: a terrible case of it. We bought from three M
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the company and how to Poison a Planet. The firefighting
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Fome put out fires that got into our waterways up
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: in Queensland and the results from that were absolutely devastating
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: because of course it was in very extreme levels in
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: certain parts of Queensland due to that. So to argue
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: that this should be a priority when you're talking about
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: the health of a nation, if you're talking about their
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: drinking water, something that basic, I would just say to
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: anyone who cares, get a really good filtering system because
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: breeder ain't going to cut it, not when it comes
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: to pfas. And people need to be aware of these
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: things because though at least that they can make the choices.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Of not using those plots in pairs. I'm not going
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: to drink water in tapwater. There is a lot of
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: people who do not drink tap water.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, speak of the health of the nation. Got
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to show you this headline from the New York Post
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: reporting on the Democratic Convention currently underway. Planned Parenthood have
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: set up outside the convention. They're offering free vasectoms and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: abortions in a truck outside the DNC. Liz, what does
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: that say about the ruling party in the United States
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: and the culture free visectomies and abortions out on the street.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: You can get a taco in one truck and an
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: abortion in the other.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: This is absolutely disgusting to me. I find this. I
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: find this demonic. I find this satanic.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: The Dens love to talk about population control, and here
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: they are practicing it in the car park at the
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Democratic National Convention. I'm like, this is just I find
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: out ar rageous, revolting. Although when it comes to the vasectomes.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: If you're a dem maybe you're doing everyone a favor
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: by withdrawing from gample.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe just withdrawing the best method.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: We've got to go to a break before we do.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Last night we reported a story about increased fines for
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: dogs or fleash in Queensland. We said it was a
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: decision by Redland City Council. We're happy to point out
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: tonight it was in fact the Queensland Government that increased
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the fines, with legislation passing in state parliament in April.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. When we come back,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: we'll look at what's making news tomorrow in the papers.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. We'll look at what's making news
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in tomorrow's papers. And Liz the Canberra Times. What's the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: threat facing Australia at the moment?
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Message you may remember last night we're having a good
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: laugh at the UK, who had decided that misogyny is
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: now one of their extremest categories and they're going after
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: it helter skelter, particularly in school aged young men.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Well, it seems.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Australia's following suit the threat of misogyny. The splash reads
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: on the front of the Canberra Times Australia's national security
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: agencies plan to target the spread of misogyny in school
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: aged young men and the threat it posters to social
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: cohesion following crisis talks over gender based violence. Now, as
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: per the question we raised last night, what are they
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: classifying as misogyny?
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Well, if I go to the next paragraph, you may
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: have cause for concern, because I shall know I do.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: The Office of National Intelligence believes that while groups promoting
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: male supremacy, misogyny and traditional masculine social norm remain at
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: the fringes and are rejected by many, including most men,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: there are signs that their prevalence is increasing. So there
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: we have it in writing, traditional masculine social norms equal misogyny?
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I want more of those traditional masculine social norms, please
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: you Ask any woman on the street. It'll be the
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: reason why they're single. They are looking for men who
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: are men and subscribe.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: To traditional masculine social norms.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: But they can't find them anymore because the state it
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: seems to be working west wide to beat it out
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of guys when they're as young as school age.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: The part of this article that just fascinated me was
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: they quote an expert who says hardest violence is often
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: underpinned by misogynistic ideas. Now, g hardest violence is underpinned
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: by a religious ideology. It's got nothing to do with misogyny.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: So that misogyny even responsible for Islamic terrorism. It's just madness.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: So like now we're saying Islamism is like not misogynist,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: like it is, like extreme mus terrorism is pretty misogogistic,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like kind of goes it is.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But the terrorism is not based on misogyny. It's based
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: on a religious ideology. But we don't want to talk
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: about religion. It's just easy to say, oh, if only
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: we change people's attitudes towards the genders, then everything would
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: be fine.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I love talking about religion. The Reformation was a mistake, change.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: My mind, joking about it. Carry on, Joe, Joe.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: The Herald Sun. Now well, I'll tell you one thing
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: that's not funny. James and Liz racism. And there's a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: lot of racism at Melbourne Airport. I always knew the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: People's Republic of Victoria a cesspit of racism. And we
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: can only assume misogyny. A comic in a racial row
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: at the Tomarine Airport American comedian Eric Andre has sensationally worn,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: so it was a very sensational warning quote all black, brown,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and indigenous people, medigious people not like count as anyway
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: against traveling through Melbourne Airport amid claims he was racially profiled,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: taken out of a line and sniffed by a dog.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Shame on the people at the Melbourne Airport that have
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that this kokamami procedure. Great American is in there. The
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Emmy nominated, always been nominated for an Emmy Star, said,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: likening the security protocol to former New York City Mayor
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani's controversial stop and frisk esque nonsense program quote unquote,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: which allowed police to stop people for what they deemed
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: quote suspicious behavior. Melbourne Airport has said it will be investigated.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was a young, long haired hippie
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: type walking around the streets of inner city Melbourne. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: guaranteed you if a cop car passed me, I would
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just go five four three two and they would stop
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: risk me every single time. And it was a real
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: pain because I had to get rid of the dope
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I was carrying and hide it behind the like don't know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't don't. Don't the airports actually have like strict kind
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of like I know about the sniffer dog one, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: with the bomb testing, it's like you know, one to you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: The airport recently and I got pulled aside for the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: bombs all the time, and I joked, are you profiling me?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And very seriously the security person said, oh no, no, no,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: we don't profile. It's randomized to see that thing there.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And I said, so, such completely random who you pulled aside?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That's correct, sir. I said, so what you're telling me
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: is if you catch a terrorist, it will be completely
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: by accident. And she's real quiet and then said I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: suppose so. I said, I can't tell you how safe
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that makes me feel.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: It's so ridiculous that police or security guards are now
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: being pulled up even if they did go, yeah, something
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: a bit sus we want to have a dog sniff you.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but Comedian the chance of it having
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: drugs on him as astronomical.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: There you go, no wonder the.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Dog was sniff authors like, man, I've get paid boring.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: And clean living. Now this is the problem. Like if
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they wanted to go out, you know, like you get
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a sniffer dog out on a hipster. Now I say, yeah,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I've joined the sobriety movement, isn't it great?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the front page of the Mercury
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: in Tasmania. Cop cyber sting in the tail reads the headline.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: This is a good story. Police got the bad guys.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Craig Douglas Stewart thought he was grooming a fourteen year
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: old girl and her mother charming when he started chatting
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to the pair in an online chat room and shared
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: sexually explicit messages and pictures with them. Little did the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: fifty four year old male know the mother and daughter
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: duo were actually police officers acting under cover. He was arrested, prosecuted,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: and sentenced to seven years in prison. Done to the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: online police.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: One less pedo out in the community when.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: You know what they should do, said yeah, I will
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: send you a photos and take pictures of the actual
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: police officers and then force him to just look at
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: them the whole time is in jail, just so he's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: got that running through by This is what I was
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: actually getting off on. That's right. This six foot six foot,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: hairy chested police officer called Bruno, who's now sitting there
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: looking at me from across my style, that you got
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to play with the go to get in their.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Minds and a job though, that is a job I
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: put my hand.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Up for just I'd find it say I'm fourteen.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: No, that would give me so much satisfaction.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: To the front page of The Australia Now CFM e
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: U Court's war on Labor. The CFM EU is examining
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: a potential High Court challenge to federal laws forcing the
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: union's construction arm into administration, as angry left wing union
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: leaders in Victoria condemned the unprecedented attack on unions and
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: declared they would be willing to fund a rearguard legal action.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Joe, these are your people.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: No they're not.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, What does he have to say
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: about the.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: People? And Peter Marshall is one of the people who's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned the United Firefighters your new boss who is a
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: good mate with Dan Andrews. When chairman Dan the company
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you can and yeah, these are the people who I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: think are provided. I used to have a lot of
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: time for parts of the New South Wales CFMAU, who
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: are much more reasonable and nowhere near is dodgy. But
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: these guys, they're really militant. Ones in Victoria are just
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: just shocking, shocking people. They're destroying the Labor Party, They're
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: destroying the labor movement. Anyone who really cares about unions,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: who cares about the Labor Party, who cares about working people,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: would not want to have a bar of these people
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: because because they're dragging the whole joint down. It's terrible.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break, but
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: stick around when we come back. You've heard that expression, hey,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that's not the two person job or some librarians in
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: South Australia have made a video illustrating that. It's gone
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: viral all around the world. It's pretty funny. We'll show
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: you that in the indust a moment. Well, if you've
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: ever ever been responsible for managing people, there's nothing more
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: frustrating and watch two staff members do a task that
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: only requires one person. That's inefficient, it's a waste of resources.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And so typically you tell those people that's not a
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: two man job. With some librarians in South Australia, they
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: have a different opinion. The funny thing about that, Joe,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I know it's meant to be a piss take but
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: that is the reality at my local library.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I didn't understand. When does the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: satire star? I thought that was just the set.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Where's the joke?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: How good is that? That's very unny? Yes, it is
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a very good redactment of a lot of a lot
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of workplaces, a lot of public service workplace to.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: A heartwarming story.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Now in southwest Queensland, where Frank DeShawn has won himself
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: the moniker of the People's King after his tiny town
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: of Hebel was going to have to close down its
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: entire commercial portfolio. Its entire commercial portfolio consisting of a
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: pub and a small convenience store. Hebel has a population
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: of just twenty people. So what did Frank Deshan do here?
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: He is explaining.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: Here at Hable, which is roughly on the border of
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: New South Wales and Queenslands in the kind of middle
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: of nowhere, the Hable Hotel. Look at the place. It
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: is everything And look I'm here with the proprietor, Frank Deshan.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: Frank certainly had the pub for a couple of year.
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: But Frank, tell me why did you buy the pub?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Mate?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Look?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It basically shut down. It was a reflection of it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: We had the very big drought that you know, it
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: covers the whole of Australia, the fires and all the
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: rest of it. That break twenty nineteen we rolled into
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: COVID and the poor guys that were here before me,
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: they just fell on hard times. They just couldn't handle
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: it and it shut down.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: Now I've actually clocked off, Frank, so I can actually
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: have it and have a view at last.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: But but you'd had you've had a vier here.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: This would be a lafful, wouldn't it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Hell?
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I'd my first be here, Warren, and hopefully
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: maybe i'll add my last year.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Tell you remember.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Soldierly a legend.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Frank, So this town after seven years of drought, the
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: compulsory water buybacks and a global pandemic.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: He's like, no, we're not going down.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: The pub had been closed for twelve months and he's like,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I'm bringing herb back.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Women.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Amazing story that incidentally interviewing frame was the Valley Telegraphs
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: cartoonist Warren Brown. And we send him on the road
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: all the time. I've done some great road trips with him.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: So Warren, you know, go get us a great community story.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: You know, get to whereas all having every single time,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: he ends up at a pub every single time, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: this time it appears he's actually had to get someone
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to buy the pub and reopen it just so we
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: can get one.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you something funny about that town.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: The local kids at the church Sunday School, when they're
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: repeating the Lord's Prayer, they pray, deliver lead us not
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: into temptation, and deliver us from.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Hebel Actually, I think you'll find that's offensive, James, and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the town has now changed its name to Babel.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: That's it from us, but stick around. Coming up in
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: just a moment is the readA Penney sho