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Normally Podcast: School’s Out, Scandals Are In: Politics, Power, and Pete · Normally

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally to show normal
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  Speaker 1: it takes. But when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not half of him, and I am Carol Marco.
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  Speaker 2: It's hi, Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 3: How are you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm all right. It's the end of the school year,
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  Speaker 1: and you know that, like just everything stacks up, stacks up,
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  Speaker 1: stacks up, so running around, but good things.
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  Speaker 4: Are good, all right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a lot of like they have
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  Speaker 2: all those days, like you dress up like this today
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  Speaker 2: and like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have like end of the year parties and
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  Speaker 1: end of the year ceremonies and in the year performances and.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes to all that. I had to buy
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  Speaker 2: napkins for my youngest son's class party. I always choose napkins. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I am that mom.
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  Speaker 4: But I was.
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  Speaker 2: Very pleased to learn that grown ups were not invited
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  Speaker 2: to that party, something I only learned this morning.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we love a drop It's great. We love
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  Speaker 1: a drop off. When they get old enough for the
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  Speaker 1: drop off, I'm like, go forth, children and enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: Have so much fun. So elon Musk.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't talked about him in a while, ever since
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  Speaker 2: our number one fan. My husband said that we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about him too much. See we respond, Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: very responsive to listener needs, especially if I sleep with you.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he thought we were doing too much Doge.
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  Speaker 2: And then Doge itself stopped being in the news so much,
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  Speaker 2: so we stopped talking about it as much. But it's
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  Speaker 2: still happening. They're still dozing away and Elon Musk is on.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to be on I believe.
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  Speaker 2: A Sunday show this weekend, and he is not thrilled
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  Speaker 2: with the Big Beautiful Bill.
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  Speaker 4: We have this clip for our listeners.
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  Speaker 5: I was like disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly,
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  Speaker 5: which increases the bunch depths that not doesn't decrease it,
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  Speaker 5: and that reminds the work that the Noge team is doing.
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  Speaker 2: I actually thought that when this big Beautiful Bill came along.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like everything he's done on Doge gets wiped
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  Speaker 2: out in the first year.
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  Speaker 5: I think, I think a bill can be can be
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  Speaker 5: can be big, or it can be beautiful, but I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if it could be both.
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  Speaker 4: Same same agree.
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  Speaker 2: I like some things in the Big Beautiful Bill, like
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  Speaker 2: the tax cuts. I feel like there's also this sense
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  Speaker 2: online that if you criticize the bill, then.
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  Speaker 4: You don't like the tax cuts.
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  Speaker 2: No, I like the tax cuts.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't like a lot of the other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and people who criticize Elon will lump the tax
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  Speaker 1: cuts in as a cost as spending. Just spending, maintaining
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  Speaker 1: the tax codes for people as they are is preventing
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  Speaker 1: a giant tax hike on them and must be done.
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  Speaker 1: The government has a spending problem. It does not have
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  Speaker 1: a collect money from us problem, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So Stephen Miller, who is an advisor to Trump, he
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  Speaker 2: had this.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to I'm going to read.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a long tweet, but I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it does a good job explaining some stuff that I
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  Speaker 2: don't think is clear to some people. DOGE cuts are too.
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  Speaker 4: Discretionary spending e g.
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  Speaker 2: The federal bureaucracy under send a budget rules, you cannot
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  Speaker 2: cannot cut discretionary spending, only mandatory in a reconciliation bill.
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  Speaker 2: So DOGE cuts would have to be done through what
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  Speaker 2: is known as recisions package or an appropriations bill. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to read the rest, but you get that right.
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  Speaker 1: So those Yeah, reconciliation is a very specific process and
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  Speaker 1: basically no one except for the parliamentary and understands what
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  Speaker 1: can go in this bill, right, I'm willing to give
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  Speaker 1: some leeway. I understand that, in order to maintain the
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  Speaker 1: tax package from twenty seventeen and not give everybody a
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  Speaker 1: giant tex hyke, that this bill was probably going to
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  Speaker 1: get big and obnoxious. I understood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that dog cuts have to happen through
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  Speaker 2: the recision package though, and apparently that requires a letter
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  Speaker 2: from the President with the instructions to what recisions he wants.
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  Speaker 2: As of this recording, no.
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  Speaker 4: Letter has been sent.
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  Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to be mad at spending, I'm
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  Speaker 2: afraid the book stops with the President on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and Speaker Johnson has also signaled today, given that
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  Speaker 1: people are upset about this, that they would he would
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  Speaker 1: move to consider this quickly. I do think that so
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  Speaker 1: the President is welcome to write it, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like he would he would be on that.
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  Speaker 1: But I do worry that, like, you know, how much
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  Speaker 1: do they actually have time for and actually complete during
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  Speaker 1: this basically first year that you have to do things.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're looking at possibly getting this big, beautiful
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  Speaker 1: bill through the Senate, probably big leer by the time
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  Speaker 1: it will be big by maybe July, or like keeping
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  Speaker 1: people until the August recess and trying to do it
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  Speaker 1: by then. So you got to have steam to get
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  Speaker 1: the other stuff done and not have ticked off everybody
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  Speaker 1: while doing the big bill.
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  Speaker 4: It's quite a tough process.
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  Speaker 2: Eric Erickson clarified a little bit about the recision letter.
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  Speaker 2: He tweeted, if Congress does it without a decision letter
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  Speaker 2: from the President, it follows the normal process and is
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  Speaker 2: subject to the filibuster. If the President sends a letter,
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  Speaker 2: it follows the Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four
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  Speaker 2: and bypasses a Senate filibuster. It's so confusing to the
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  Speaker 2: average person, like recision letters and filibusters. It's really not
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  Speaker 2: a process that we should be proud of.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's on one hand, it's supposed to be tough
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  Speaker 1: to get stuff through the Congress, so I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right when Democrats were blithely like, let's just get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the filibuster, a move which they would definitely regretting
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  Speaker 1: had they done it right now when they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get rid of it, dumb dumbs. Yeah, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: because the bar is supposed to be high, for passing things,
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  Speaker 1: but it does sometimes end up looking like in order
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  Speaker 1: to pass the things, you got to make the things big.
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  Speaker 2: I do like that Elon is speaking out on this
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  Speaker 2: because I think that they will listen to Elon in
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  Speaker 2: a way that they won't listen to a lot of
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  Speaker 2: other people. I don't know that they would even be
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  Speaker 2: trying to minimize spending if it wasn't for Elon, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and again, you know you and I have talked about
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  Speaker 2: it on here before. Trump is a spender. This is
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  Speaker 2: his impulse. Take care of everyone, you know, make sure
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  Speaker 2: everyone is taking care of it is part of his message,
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  Speaker 2: and that is.
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  Speaker 4: Not a conservative philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are with this big, not that beautiful
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  Speaker 2: spending bill as he on side. It can be big
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  Speaker 2: or beautiful, it cannot be both. Although, just to add
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more to what Stephen Miller was saying,
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  Speaker 2: he says it includes the single largest welfare reform in
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  Speaker 2: American history, along with the largest tax cut and reform
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  Speaker 2: in American history, the most aggressive energy exploration in American history,
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  Speaker 2: and the strongest border bill in American history. But then
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  Speaker 2: he adds all while reducing the deficit, and yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 2: see about that one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I also would say the Medicaid reforms, which the Democrats
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  Speaker 1: are going to call cuts, is simply asking able bodied,
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  Speaker 1: like totally normal aged people with no dependence to try
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  Speaker 1: to work part time. That's the requirement rights. That's pretty normal.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about an eighty twenty issue. There's one right there.
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  Speaker 1: So Republicans should be sure to characterize it the proper
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  Speaker 1: way as I hope they do. Yeah, because that's quite popular.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to note the sort of undercovered was
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  Speaker 1: that the Congress did accomplish something last week, which is
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  Speaker 1: that they struck down a key aspect of the administration's
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  Speaker 1: nationwide electric vehicle mandate under the Congressional Review Act. We
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  Speaker 1: love to see it, not to see this was a
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  Speaker 1: California invention, which, you know, why not nationalize all of
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  Speaker 1: those because they're doing so great. A California innovation that
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  Speaker 1: was to put all like thirty percent of new cars
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  Speaker 1: would have had to be electric cars in like eleven
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  Speaker 1: or twelve states, and then would expand to the rest
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  Speaker 1: of US by like next year, and then at some
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  Speaker 1: point it was supposed to phase out to zero gas
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  Speaker 1: powered cars could be sold new in all these states.
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  Speaker 1: People don't want this, Let the market do what the
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  Speaker 1: market does. Let people have gas powered cars if they
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  Speaker 1: want them, let them have choice, and to have this
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  Speaker 1: be top down from the federal government as guided by
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  Speaker 1: the writing life of California. No, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Most most importantly, let Californians keep their Californian policies in California.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, no thank you about them, guys. I wish you
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  Speaker 1: the best. Did you see the picture the other day
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  Speaker 1: with Karen Bass, who's the mayor of Los Angeles. She
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  Speaker 1: tweeted a picture overhead view of one house built in
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  Speaker 1: the Palisades and was like, look at all the work
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  Speaker 1: we're doing to build houses and cut red tape and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you're building house.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, building built a house.
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  Speaker 4: That house.
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  Speaker 1: The number of permits is scandalously low that they have
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  Speaker 1: managed to give, and it's just yet another example of
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  Speaker 1: why exporting their way of doing things is not a
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  Speaker 1: good idea.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, like Ron DeSantis has probably built like ten bridges
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  Speaker 2: during that time period of that one house.
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  Speaker 4: So it's some days don't learn, No, they won't. They
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  Speaker 4: won't learn. I don't know will they learn? Do you
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  Speaker 4: think they'll learn? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll just continue down this path. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think abundance Democrats are going to win this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. It's causing this pretty big
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  Speaker 1: rift in the Democratic Party. Jonathan Chate was writing in
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  Speaker 1: The Atlantic quite sensibly that like, hey, if liberal cities
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  Speaker 1: and liberal governance headed by progressives in places like Chicago
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  Speaker 1: or LA does not give the people we were supposed
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  Speaker 1: to give people better jobs, more housing, cheaper options, and
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  Speaker 1: more prosperity, like, what are we doing? And I would say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but as for quite a long time, what are you doing? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But that's causing the progressives in the party to be like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're trying to purge us and our
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  Speaker 1: government for the sake of government. What are we going
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  Speaker 1: to do now? So that's going to be the fight waging,
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  Speaker 1: you know, into twenty twenty eight, and I think I'll
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you that that will be their internal fight.
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  Speaker 2: But I just wonder, like places like California or New York,
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  Speaker 2: they have an appeal to people, and so they will
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  Speaker 2: continue to draw in, you know, the twenty somethings who
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  Speaker 2: are trying to make it even as it's just a true,
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  Speaker 2: you know, dumpster fire all around. And so that's why
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  Speaker 2: the lesson's so tough for them to learn, because they're like,
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  Speaker 2: people still love us, look at this, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't know if.
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  Speaker 1: How do Democrats love to pivot from more government to
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  Speaker 1: less government? Like that's not their brand, that's right, the
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  Speaker 1: brand of the other guys. So even though they don't
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: do it half the time, I would love if they
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  Speaker 1: did it more. Yeah, but how do you become Democrats
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  Speaker 1: for less government?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's like or any sane policies. Actually, this this
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  Speaker 2: segs very nicely into our second topic.
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  Speaker 4: Will be right back on normally.
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  Speaker 2: Pete Bootage Edge went on the Bulwark podcast and was
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  Speaker 2: asked he's been doing a media tour. I think in
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  Speaker 2: Prepper of running in twenty eight he comes off as
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  Speaker 2: rather sane in an insane party for sure.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, he was asked this question.
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  Speaker 2: What he would have done differently five years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: this was his.
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  Speaker 3: Response, one, for the love of God, figure out a
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  Speaker 3: way to get the schools open sooner. We got very
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  Speaker 3: new knee jerk about this, and the costs were not
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  Speaker 3: just politically but in a profound way. I think for
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  Speaker 3: the generation, the costs were profound, and I think anybody
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  Speaker 3: who's involved, who was, by the way, obviously doing their
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  Speaker 3: best to deal with the crisis that killed million Americans,
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  Speaker 3: But I think most people involved would like to be
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  Speaker 3: able to have found a way to safely get more schools,
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  Speaker 3: more open, more quickly.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great first answer. I had no idea where.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many ways you could have gone
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously pay more attention to the border. That's real,
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  Speaker 3: and that's going to be something that you can't just
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  Speaker 3: like take your time to deal with. Three, even though
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  Speaker 3: you spent your entire political lifetime believing that the economy
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: and jobs are the same thing, and if you have
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  Speaker 3: lots of jobs, it's a good economy, and if you
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  Speaker 3: have a problem with jobs as a bad economy. Remember
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  Speaker 3: that prices is just as big a part of the economy.
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  Speaker 3: It just hasn't come up much in the last forty years.
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  Speaker 1: So what would you have done?
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  Speaker 4: What would you have donen differently on prices?
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  Speaker 3: Then no country was able to save their economy from
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  Speaker 3: COVID without getting into some inflation, so serious and painful inflation.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think that there were a lot of
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  Speaker 3: moments where people kind of waved it away in the
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  Speaker 3: first year or two, even just like the conversation about
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  Speaker 3: it the focus. It is true that we had no
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  Speaker 3: choice but to bring back the economy by any means necessary.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we forget how grave the threat of a
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  Speaker 3: depression was in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. I
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  Speaker 3: mean when I came in, I spent a big part
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: of my time as Secretary of dealing with getting airlines
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  Speaker 3: to treat their passengers better. You could almost forget that
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  Speaker 3: the entire first year our biggest focus was making sure
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  Speaker 3: airlines didnt go out of business. And that's just to
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: use the airline sector as the right So again a
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  Speaker 3: lot by definition you set up this exercise. It's easy
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  Speaker 3: to say now, but like since it is, those are
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  Speaker 3: the things I'd be whispering into my twenty twenty year
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  Speaker 3: if I had the chance, If I.
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  Speaker 2: Had to specify the three topics that I wrote about
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  Speaker 2: the most from twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, that
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  Speaker 2: would be opening the schools, the border, and how people
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  Speaker 2: were suffering with the economy even though we quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: were not in a recession and things were you know,
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  Speaker 2: technically going. Well, so welcome pee boota judge to the
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  Speaker 2: Carol Markowitz brand of conservativism. We're really glad to have
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  Speaker 2: you here, and we'll accept you on normally as one
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  Speaker 2: of our own.
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  Speaker 1: Right, not so fast. I didn't. Part of what he
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  Speaker 1: misses here in this discussion, particularly with all three of them,
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  Speaker 1: is they've done it deliberate. The opening schools was not
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  Speaker 1: some like oh yeah, oh goodness, we oops, we tried
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  Speaker 1: our best, because he, you know, he uses those weasel
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  Speaker 1: words to say, these are people trying their best and
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  Speaker 1: they needed a way to safely open schools. Perhaps that's
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: more forgivable than the inflationary spending and the border, both
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  Speaker 1: of which were definitely on purpose. They were just like,
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  Speaker 1: these are our values, open the border, spend four trillion dollars,
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  Speaker 1: those are our values. Yeah, but their values also were
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  Speaker 1: and the design of their party was made to give
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Randy Wingarden and all of her teachers union buddies, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: giant ransom in order to open the schools. And he
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: still says safely open. The answer was open. That that
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: was the whole answer. It was safe. It was right
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: in front of your eyes. And two things happened is
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: we demonized rational risk analysis, so you couldn't have anyone
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  Speaker 1: else pop their head up and say, hey, by the way,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: perhaps you're getting this wrong, because they were all like,
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  Speaker 1: why do you want to kill all the teachers?
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  Speaker 2: Right? And then public school teachers, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then we incentivized Winegarden by giving part of the
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  Speaker 1: giant inflationary handouts to her for keeping schools closed. Congratulations everyone.
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  Speaker 1: So like if you if you missed the part where
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this was just known what they were
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  Speaker 1: doing and it was on purpose and it was aligned
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  Speaker 1: with their values, you don't get to just be like, oops,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with that part. By the way,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: someone noted that's husband said at the time something along
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  Speaker 1: the lines of like, all these teachers are going to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: be in the grave if this happens. And it's like, okay, well,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the rhetoric was coming from inside.
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  Speaker 2: The house, outside your house.
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  Speaker 1: There's already a flight risk of teachers fleeing the profession.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to see teachers leaving the profession. On
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  Speaker 1: Gurney's that was a totally normal thing to say.
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  Speaker 4: Do you have a date on that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the date was, Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: July twenty twenty, but that was a normal thing to
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  Speaker 1: say until twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, you know, we say July twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: and it sounds it was early because America kept schools
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  Speaker 2: closed for so long, schools were open in Europe.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: By July twenty twenty, there.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Were schools open in various places in Europe, and the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: idea like, oh, Europe was just doing it differently than us.
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  Speaker 4: No, they weren't. No, they weren't. And you know how
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: I know that because private.
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  Speaker 2: Schools opened in blue areas while public schools stayed closed.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: The private school teachers did.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Not die in mass they did not.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: You know, Governor Gavin Newsom sent his kids to an
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  Speaker 2: open private school while public schools stayed closed in California,
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  Speaker 2: and I swear I will never forget that as long
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  Speaker 2: as I live.
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  Speaker 1: No, nor should you. He was eating at the French
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  Speaker 1: laundry and sending his kids to private school. No, it
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  Speaker 1: was just obvious the kids that the school that my
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: children currently go to is zero point five miles from
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the public school that wasn't open for two years, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it was open virtually the whole time. It closed during
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the spring and went virtual, and then its parents were like, no,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: we need and it's leadership. It was like, no, we
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  Speaker 1: actually need to have these kids in school, and so
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: they did what was necessary to make that happen because
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: they were not run by wandy Winegarden. They were not
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  Speaker 1: answerable to teacher genes. They were answerable to students and parents.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And it turned out that like that was a much
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: better solution that those kids didn't fall back, fall behind
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and didn't get hurt nearly as much. There's a thing
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: about Footagage is good at talking Newsome's good at talking.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Anyone who's good at talking Republicans should be wary of
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: because they're pretty good at talking themselves around these issues
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  Speaker 1: and sounding normal, right, And many people are so starved
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  Speaker 1: for normal they're like, Okay, I'll listen to that guy, right,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: But they're skipping the part in all of this where
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you actually take accountability for the thing that went wrong.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I hear you that you would do things differently. How
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  Speaker 1: would you do things differently? Who would you listen to?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Listen to me? Three people who were correct about schools,
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  Speaker 1: who you would bring into your circle?
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  Speaker 4: Right? No, longer welcome on normally buddhage edge.
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  Speaker 1: But like I would Kay convince me, but I would
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like to know. I don't want to disincentivize people admitting
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this because it's important, but I would like to know,
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  Speaker 1: moving forward, how would you change your little bubble so
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  Speaker 1: that you get more information so that you don't make
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  Speaker 1: this mistake in the future.
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  Speaker 4: Right, And it's hard.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: If your bubble's randy, it ain't gonna it ain't gonna go.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: And it is randy, it's still randy.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it is interesting how we're giving credit
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  Speaker 2: and I count myself in this to to buddhaj Edge
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and to news some and to the abundance Democrats for
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: sounding like Republicans. That's all they're doing is saying Republican things.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm in for them moving to the right, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I'm in for them being more sane.
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  Speaker 4: But is this really where they're going.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: To end up when they when they're running in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: primary in a few years, are they going to stay
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: this person?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's going to be very hard.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Taylor Lorenzo's response to Budajem shows.
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  Speaker 2: That what did she say?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, she says he's participating in right wing eugenics to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: even suggest that they should have opened schools.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild, right, Well, he's raw dogging that air,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: so it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Is definitely, I mean, it's it's wild. There are some
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: pretty amazing dead enders on that side on this issue.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But look that the left flank of the party will
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: be yelling at you in those terms on Blue Sky
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: as soon as you start expressing those things in public,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and god forbid on blue Sky, where I hear people
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: just get abused in amazing ways over there for stepping
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  Speaker 1: out of line. Yeah, they're going to get freaked out
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: as soon as that starts happening in.
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  Speaker 2: Mass That's it. That's the problem. They're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to get those people on board and stay sane. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I know one of the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: it's not about education. But one of the things that
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I point out is that in twenty twenty, all of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the candidates raise their hands when they were asked if
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: their healthcare plan would cover illegal immigrants, and obviously right
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: all of them, one of them, And that is such
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a bananas crazy thing to say, because if you're an
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: illegal immigrant to the country, you could have just got
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: here today on a plane, right, So why wouldn't everybody
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: come to America for the free healthcare that you all
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: raised your hands to offer them.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Once you've gotten to.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: That place, I think it's very hard to retreat. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: so we'll see. We'll see in a few years whether
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: they're able to walk a more normal line or if
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: they'll be pressured into making insane statements like that on
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a debate stage. We're going to take a short break
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and come right back with normally.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I wanted to run over this little contretemps on Twitter
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: today where Batia was talking to Mark Halprin and Bridget
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Fetasy and she's Battia Unger Sagan, and she was noting
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the dripping contempt for the uncredentialed at elite universities like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Harvard and Connor Friedersdorf, who's an Atlantic writer who's the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: moderate centrist issue used to be a little bit right.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: He demanded proof that elite university alum and attendees were
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: dripping with contempt for the credentials Alli and it's like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things like masks for two year olds,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: where it's like, do we even need to make a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: case for this like it's just it's just out there
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: for everyone to see. Nonetheless, I thought the school argument
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was a good place to point out to Connor that
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: like everyone who was non credentialed, non scientists, non educators,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: amateur statisticians, were one hundred percent right about this vital
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: issue that allegedly was very important to Democrats. You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: public schools. They're very into that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: They care a lot.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: They care so much about the people who are economically
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: disadvantaged and behind academically to begin with, right, so they
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: want a really important issue to them. Nonetheless, the rhetoric
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the entire time was outrageous. I would say, dripping with
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: contempt for sure. In Alexandria and nearby here the school
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: board school board member just said like, well you can
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: choose do you want your kids educated or dead? Like
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that was the.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Time the two options was then you went to private school.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: This is the way they talk to parents. The results
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: were bad. People still haven't reckoned with it. Many of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: those people have been promoted and are working in academia now,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: still having contempt for all of us who were correct.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And I can barely read David Swyge's book because it
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: makes me so angry all over again. But this kind
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of credentialism will plague them throughout their civil war that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to have, and they're going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: have to find smart people who understand that people outside
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of Harvard can be smart.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a tough sell.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Are we going to find those? And speaking of.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Harvard, Yeah, what's going on in Harvard?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Our friends at Not the Bee said like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: this is the reason that not the Bee exists for
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: this headline, which is Harvard professor fired for being dishonest
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in study about honesty. Amazing, So she was this lady
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was paid a million dollars a year. Don't study.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: We're in the wrong field.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: A million dollars for study.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Million dollars a year to study ethics and honesty.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Harvard revoked the tenure. This is the Harvard crimson reporting
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: from Francesca Gino, the Harvard Business School professor who had
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: been fighting data fraud allegations for nearly four years and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: ended her employment at the university last week. A Harvard
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: spokesman set spokesmans set as you can imagine, having seen
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the behavior of tenured professors at Harvard, up until now.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: This is pretty hard to get fired there. The move
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: concluded Gino's two year battle to keep her position at
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the school and marked a historic penalty for a faculty
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: member at Harvard. No professor has been known to lose
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: their tenure since the nineteen forties. She was a behavioral
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: scientist who became famous for studying honesty and ethical behavior,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: but she was accused of manipulating observations to better support
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: her conclusions. She was you might have Maine. You won't
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: be surprised Carol to find out. Despite all of this,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: she was a prominent researcher in her field and the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: highest paid employee at Harvard in twenty eighteen and nineteen.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Because the credentials don't actually matter. What is Yeah, this
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is what the lack of trust and institutions comes from.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And it is deserved. It is deserved.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People in that article, uh not the bee they were.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: People were asking Roc to explain it in simple terms,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and Rock would explain in simple terms. But there was
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: one really good explain this to me and caveman Uga
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: booga speak and Rock said Uga booga. Smart woman Francesca
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: make number stories at big school Harvard.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: So We'll say she cheat, change number to lie.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: They kick her out, say no more teach Francesca med
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: say me no cheat. She fights school with big law talks.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Say they mean to women.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Number checkers outside school also say her story is fake,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: but Francesca keeps saying she true want court to fix
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: big fights.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Still go Nobody's sure?
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Who right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Uga booga truth pre find you know.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: What all news updates should be in that? Can we
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: just I usually now on.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Fully agree, and I think we should have an Ooga
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: booga section on normally.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Perhaps we could just feed it into the old AI
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and read it to you guys. Look, I'm glad that
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: she's actually paying a price that seems to rarely happen
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and is actually the path toward regaining trust. Yeah, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: this one's a real doozy lying about your ethics research
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: quite is.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I hope she does not win the twenty five million
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that she's trying to win for saying that Harvard is sexist.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: But you just never know what these court cases.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Usually the bad people are rewarded, so I'm guessing she's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: probably gonna win a nice junk of change.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Again, what are we doing here?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Mary Catherine Man differently.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Perfect, Yeah, if.
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