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Ep. 807: Dew Claws, Buck Nuts, and Christmas Trees | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell off now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to mete To Radio live at eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 2: That's nine am for our friends in North Pole, Alaska
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday, December eighteen, and we're live for Meet Eater
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  Speaker 2: HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by
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  Speaker 2: Corey and Cal. On today's show, we'll interview dear biologist
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  Speaker 2: Matt Ross about identifying buck tracks. Then we have a
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  Speaker 2: hot tip off about European mounts, followed by a game
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  Speaker 2: of meat pole where we'll find out how much Corey
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  Speaker 2: and Cal know about their fellow outdoorsman. After that, we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to Trent Presler about the history of Christmas trees,
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  Speaker 2: and finally we'll look at some regrettable outdoor tattoos. Cory Cow.
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  Speaker 2: We are a week away from Christmas. I'm sure you
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  Speaker 2: have some big, fancy meal plans already in the works.
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  Speaker 2: What are we gonna be eating Christmas Day? Cal?
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  Speaker 1: I have, Well, it's probably not gonna be Christmas Day.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, I have like a nice standing antelope rib roast,
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  Speaker 1: a cut special for the occasion.
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  Speaker 2: How many folks are you feeding with that?
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  Speaker 1: You know? It's an antelope, so it'll be like an
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  Speaker 1: appetizer type of deal, you know. But yeah, it'll be
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  Speaker 1: like I think it's a six rib rack, and then
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  Speaker 1: so I have two of those and then I kind
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  Speaker 1: of bind them together and make a circle. Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I struggle with making things fancy and too
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  Speaker 1: fancy because I don't I don't want it to be
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  Speaker 1: like some super fancy thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, more approachable. If you're leaving ribs in it, then
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  Speaker 2: already like elevates it.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, it'll be good, make like little hats
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  Speaker 1: on there or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you gonna make it?
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  Speaker 1: Just meetium rare man like, Yeah, put it on the
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  Speaker 1: pellet grill, figures itself out. Yeah, you just don't do
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  Speaker 1: not overcook that stuff and it looks real pretty.
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  Speaker 2: So Corey, what are we serving at the Culkin's household
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  Speaker 2: this Christmas?
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  Speaker 3: Man? We typically do a fond due Christmas night, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so probably some do you need.
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  Speaker 1: Cheese or oil cheese cheese?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, go to Costco get some fancy cheeses, and then
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  Speaker 3: just do all the sides. Probably do some wild game sausage,
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  Speaker 3: some fruits and bread. Probably do some little steak bites
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  Speaker 3: in there at least for myself, but probably start the
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  Speaker 3: day with some black Bear biscuits and gravy. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 3: a little white gravy in the morning, just thinking maybe
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  Speaker 3: just two meals on Christmas, one in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: And what what what with with your son there? How
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  Speaker 1: do what time does Christmas kick off?
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  Speaker 3: He gets pretty antsy and wakes up a little extra
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  Speaker 3: earlier this morning, so good.
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  Speaker 2: He earned it big time.
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  Speaker 4: This year, so.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, I did an impartial audit because when
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  Speaker 1: I was at the on X event, I spoke with
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  Speaker 1: your next door neighbor.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Colorado, yep uh. He was definitely on the
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  Speaker 3: fence this year. But we jumped in and did the
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  Speaker 3: Elf on the Shelf, which has helped us out a
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  Speaker 3: lot because Elf, of course moves around throughout the throughout
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  Speaker 3: the house. Every morning he's in a new spot and
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  Speaker 3: he's going to report to Sanna like double time. Sanna
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  Speaker 3: is always listening. But the Elf on the Shelf like
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  Speaker 3: really deep digs deep in like double oh seven style,
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  Speaker 3: reports back to Sanna. So ever since Elf on the Shelf,
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  Speaker 3: he's kind of picked it up.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a week to go. I hope he makes
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  Speaker 3: it on the nice list. I got a big bag
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  Speaker 3: of Kingsford charcoal if if things stay the same, But
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  Speaker 3: he'll make it.
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  Speaker 1: He just to introduced that big brother culture early on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a little lie in the sky.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh. Cory is wearing a nice black eye today
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  Speaker 2: that Marshall did play a role in. Uh, he was there.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to address that today. Besides, right now
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  Speaker 2: you can get the story of of Corey's battle wound
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  Speaker 2: on next week's episode. It's not that obvious meat eater
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  Speaker 2: radio a little bit. Yeah, I'm going to deep fry
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  Speaker 2: my first turkey this Christmas, a hen that I killed
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  Speaker 2: in Idaho. You boys have any advice besides you know,
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  Speaker 2: doing it frozen in the kitchen?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly did you, Brian?
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  Speaker 2: I have not yet. It is I just got it
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  Speaker 2: out of the freezer this morning. It's going to get
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  Speaker 2: into a Brian. I think on Monday will be the plan. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: I would in your your run of show, right, which
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  Speaker 1: is always like nice thing to just right out ahead total,
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  Speaker 1: I would budget in twelve hours of air circulation in
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  Speaker 1: the refrigerator drying out post Brian.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that make sure it's nice and dry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can like you know, like load up
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  Speaker 1: I hate waste and paper towels, but you can like
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  Speaker 1: load up the cavity with paper towels and do a
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  Speaker 1: couple of swaps there that'll help. But like getting getting
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  Speaker 1: that skin getting everything like dry, sure is a is
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  Speaker 1: a great? That's is its skin on?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You skin on, pluck the whole thing. It's a hen.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably like I don't know, twelve or thirteen pounds.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't weighed yet, but it should be good.
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  Speaker 1: So did you go all the way out to the
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  Speaker 1: wing tips?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the whole asper for presentation. It really
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  Speaker 1: does make a difference. Yeah, it's hard. Good for you.
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  Speaker 2: That's very excited. I've got a five course meal plan.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be the fifth and final course. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be the climax of the whole meal. So nice,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Do you need a turkey fryer?
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  Speaker 2: I got one. I have one of those ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: Normally this time of year you can use just like
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  Speaker 2: your front porch as a refrigerator. But it's been so
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  Speaker 2: damn warm lately, because you know, the fridge gets so
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  Speaker 2: full on Christmas. I don't think it's even cold enough
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  Speaker 2: outside to keep.
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  Speaker 1: Your Are you doing like a soup course?
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  Speaker 2: We've got a soup course. I've got an antelope squash
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  Speaker 2: sausage that that'll come right before the turkey. I think.
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  Speaker 2: Before that, I've got what is it, some mac and cheese.
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  Speaker 2: Before that, it's some roasted carrots. Before that, we've got
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  Speaker 2: a winter salad.
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  Speaker 1: So five courses and dessert course obviously, well if you.
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  Speaker 2: Count that six courses, I'm still trying to learn how
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  Speaker 2: to bake, so I'm gonna whip up some cookies that morning.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be the sixth and final course. Nice, very excited, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: very cool Christmas? Who are you putting the show on for?
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  Speaker 2: My wife? A couple of friends, sister in law. So
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  Speaker 2: we got six people in the houses.
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  Speaker 1: Very manageable, right.
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  Speaker 2: We can we can do it. It'll be a team
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  Speaker 2: effort though.
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  Speaker 1: All right, ahead of time to let's get on with
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us on the line first is Matt Ross, the
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  Speaker 2: senior director of conservation for the National Deer Association. He's
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  Speaker 2: going to tell us about what's fact and what's fiction
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to identifying buck tracks. Matt, Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, guys very much feel very underdressed, at least inappropriately dressed.
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  Speaker 6: You guys look great.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we like that first light gear there, Buddy Well Warren.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you you were dressed like a dear biologist. We
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  Speaker 2: are dressed like dummy. Podcast Christmas fellas, all right, I
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  Speaker 2: want to start off talking about do clause explain what
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  Speaker 2: they are and what purpose they serve.
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  Speaker 5: Do clause are their digits? They're like extra digits, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Do clause are on deer anyway, we're talking about deer
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  Speaker 5: are vestigial. They're like a remnant digit, a little bit
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  Speaker 5: up from the actual hoof. But all mammals, or most
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  Speaker 5: mammals and birds and other animals actually have dew claws.
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  Speaker 5: Think of your pets, if you've got a dog, cat,
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  Speaker 5: they have those little extra digits up the back from
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  Speaker 5: their pad, their normal pad. Even some bird species like raptors, owls, eagles, hawks,
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  Speaker 5: they have that extra claw. For most animals that actually
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  Speaker 5: have dew claws, they don't really serve a purpose except
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  Speaker 5: for raptors of course they're they're using them to catch
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  Speaker 5: fish and tear fish and other uh, other prey animals.
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  Speaker 6: But on deer itself, they're those extra digits.
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  Speaker 5: They have a cratness or like, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 5: a hoof material on them, and uh, they're behind the
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  Speaker 5: actual hoof and a little bit a little bit up
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  Speaker 5: from that.
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  Speaker 6: But they're vestigial.
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  Speaker 5: They're not used deer of a couple of remnant things
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  Speaker 5: on them. If you've ever killed a deer with upper canines,
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  Speaker 5: those are, you know, an evolutionary throwback.
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  Speaker 6: That's what dew claws are. They're part of.
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  Speaker 5: The animal family that has an even numbered of toes.
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  Speaker 5: You know, all of the servids of deer, elk, and
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  Speaker 5: other species moose. And instead of two hoofs, they used
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  Speaker 5: to have four, now they only use two.
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  Speaker 2: Of them now. Most hunters would tell you that you
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  Speaker 2: can identify a buck track by the dew claw indentations.
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  Speaker 2: Is that true?
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  Speaker 6: That is not true.
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  Speaker 5: Both bucks and does actually have dew claws, so it's
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  Speaker 5: not sex specific. So if you're saying just because dew
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  Speaker 5: claws are present in the track, it must be a buck,
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  Speaker 5: that could be a buck, but it's it's not a
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  Speaker 5: definitive thing. They both sexes have them.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Another common bit of wisdom deer hunters will tell
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  Speaker 2: you is that buck hooves spread the furthest apart. So
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  Speaker 2: if you see a track that is shaped like a
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  Speaker 2: heart where there's a lot of space between the pads,
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  Speaker 2: then that's a buck. Is that true?
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  Speaker 6: That is also probably not is reliable of a thing
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  Speaker 6: to use.
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  Speaker 5: Most deer might spread their hoofs apart based on their weight,
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  Speaker 5: and so you could have a big female or a
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  Speaker 5: big male buck or dough that that could spread their
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  Speaker 5: toes apart. It also could be based on their gate
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  Speaker 5: and how quickly they're moving, or the material.
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  Speaker 6: That they're stepping down on. So if it's you know,
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  Speaker 6: soft mud, their toes might spread apart.
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  Speaker 7: So generally the everybody's Yeah, generally, the heavier the deer,
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  Speaker 7: the likelihood of those those hoofs spreading apart will happen.
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  Speaker 5: But just because it's doing it, I wouldn't say it's
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  Speaker 5: a reliable estimator.
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  Speaker 2: I've also heard it said that hooves can be like fingerprints,
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  Speaker 2: where some deer will produce unique tracks that you can
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  Speaker 2: identify them by. Is that true?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they could be true. I think the likelihood is
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  Speaker 6: is low.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, most deer hoofs look the same, so most
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  Speaker 5: tracks look the same. But I mean I've seen and
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  Speaker 5: killed deer that had unique characteristics in their hooves. Never
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  Speaker 5: gone back to go look to see if I could
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  Speaker 5: find that track. And I've never used a track. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: you guys have to track a deer, but you know,
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  Speaker 5: they mess up their hooves, their material that grows constantly,
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  Speaker 5: but they can chip pieces off or parts of it.
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  Speaker 5: Might if they're disease like with epizootic haemorrhagic disease or EHD,
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  Speaker 5: their hooves can crack.
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  Speaker 6: So that is true. Have you guys ether ever experienced that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I've seen a unique track where
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, that is a weird walking buck, you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I feel like I've read about it, sure, but
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  Speaker 1: I've never not first hand, no.
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  Speaker 2: Corey anything with elk deer.
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  Speaker 3: The buck I killed this year, actually I knew he
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  Speaker 3: had a limp, at least from the landowner told me, like,
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  Speaker 3: look for a buck that's got a pretty obvious limp
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  Speaker 3: and old and his hooves were extremely large and elongate,
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  Speaker 3: so just in a normal track, I could tell that
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  Speaker 3: at least guess that that was him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you knew his finger print.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just being big though, right.
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  Speaker 3: My thought went to Old, like really old nasty hoofs.
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  Speaker 3: They were indented, almost hallow the inside.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's like an old outdoor life story
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  Speaker 1: of like a bowl that has like it's missing the
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  Speaker 1: front part of it's of one of its toes there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, that's that's how.
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  Speaker 2: The last bit of tracking wisdom I've heard is that
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  Speaker 2: buck tracks are just simply bigger than dough tracks. Please
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  Speaker 2: tell us that's at least true.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 5: I mean bucks generally are bigger than than does and
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  Speaker 5: so if you're looking at tracks, the largest ones would
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  Speaker 5: likely be a buck just because they're they're bigger animals.
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  Speaker 6: That that from a sexual dimorphism. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of overlap there.
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  Speaker 5: As you're showing on the screen, you know, being able
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  Speaker 5: to take somebody to an individual track and say, definitive,
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  Speaker 5: this is absolutely a buck. You know, there's only a
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  Speaker 5: small percentage, it's five ten percent of all tracks that
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  Speaker 5: would be on that right end of the scale there
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  Speaker 5: where you could say, well, that's likely a buck. But
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of overlap. I mean, just because it's
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  Speaker 5: got big tracks doesn't necessarily mean it's it's a buck.
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  Speaker 5: And if you're interested in antler's You know, there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of probably large antler deer walking around for bucks
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  Speaker 5: that have medium to small size, So you may be
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  Speaker 5: able to set, you know, segregate bucks out a slight
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  Speaker 5: a bit, but there is a ton of overlap, as
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  Speaker 5: that graphic shows.
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  Speaker 2: And how big of tracks are we talking If we
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  Speaker 2: want to be sure that we're looking at a buck track,
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  Speaker 2: what size does it need to approach to be like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that that is a mature buck.
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  Speaker 5: Where you're looking at that graphic right there, you know,
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  Speaker 5: at least in that study that was from Georgia, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the tracks that are more than four inches in length,
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  Speaker 5: at least down there, it would change geographically. So you know,
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  Speaker 5: I live in upstate New York in the foothills of
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  Speaker 5: the Adirondics. Deer here are much larger than they are
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  Speaker 5: in Georgia. Is where you guys are in Montana. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, a deer track that's probably four and a
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  Speaker 5: half five inches in length and overall three to three
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  Speaker 5: and a half inches wide or wider is going to
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  Speaker 5: be a large deer. And then you'd be looking at
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  Speaker 5: probably some if not most of those being bucks.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I remember matt from that study, it's
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  Speaker 2: saying like the top ten percent of the biggest tracks
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  Speaker 2: you see those likely belong to a buck. Is that
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  Speaker 2: is that correct?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? That study that you just showed was from Georgia
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  Speaker 5: from the mid or early two thousands. They had about
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty deer that were hunter harvested and
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  Speaker 5: they measured the tracks off of all of them. About
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  Speaker 5: one hundred of the deer were bucks, and I think
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  Speaker 5: it was eight percent where you were able to definitively
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  Speaker 5: say of the one hundred and fifty something deer were bucks,
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  Speaker 5: just based on the length.
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  Speaker 2: Or the width. Okay, so simply put, dew clause don't
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  Speaker 2: mean much, The amount of space between the pads of
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  Speaker 2: the hoofs doesn't mean anything. But the very biggest tracks
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  Speaker 2: in the woods likely belong to bucks. Is there anything
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  Speaker 2: else hunters can learn by looking at deer tracks?
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  Speaker 6: Oh heck, yeah, there's a lot you can get out
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  Speaker 6: of tracks.
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  Speaker 5: Freshness of the sign right, I think that's probably one
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  Speaker 5: of the most undervalued types of sign we concentrate on,
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  Speaker 5: like sign post behavior, scrapes, rubs, those kinds of things,
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  Speaker 5: at least for white tails, and I think a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people overlook the freshness of the track and the
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  Speaker 5: preponderance of lots of tracks in an area just to
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of deer activity, whether they're feeding there
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  Speaker 5: or they're spending a lot of time. So freshness, the
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  Speaker 5: direction the deer are headed, and that travel might give
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  Speaker 5: you an indication of what their needs are, where they're.
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  Speaker 6: Going and coming from.
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  Speaker 5: And then just it could potentially point you in directions
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  Speaker 5: of other sign that will help you get on deer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, tracks are important, but looking for feeding sign
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  Speaker 5: or some of those other things I just mentioned, and
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  Speaker 5: certainly up in at least in the New England and
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  Speaker 5: Great Lake States, there are a lot of successful people
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  Speaker 5: that use tracks to you know, hunt down and kill
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  Speaker 5: a deer just based on following them in the snow.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not one of those people that are successful
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  Speaker 5: at tracking only, but certainly that could that can get
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  Speaker 5: you on deer too if you're in the right environment.
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  Speaker 5: So lots of things that we can get out of tracks,
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily segregating whether or not they're bucks or does.
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  Speaker 1: And if you come across like a deer with with
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  Speaker 1: with the big red nose, is that like what's the
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  Speaker 1: etiquette there is that a shoot don't shoot scenario for
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: you and the good folks at NDA. Have you covered
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  Speaker 1: that one yet?
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  Speaker 6: I think that I think that one's off limits for all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, good, all right, thank you for educating us, man,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. You got it.
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  Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, guys, Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Our next segment is Hot tip Off.
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  Speaker 4: That's salty, ya, that's salty.
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  Speaker 2: Hot tip Off is where two listeners go head to
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  Speaker 2: each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you
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  Speaker 2: dot com with the subject line hot tip Off. This
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  Speaker 2: week it's Jack Anderson versus Luke Long and they're competing
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: for a one hundred dollars Meat Eater gift card. Take
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: it away, Phil Fluke clowng.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: Hey, guys, mind's Luke Long. I've got hot tip for
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: you today. If you're like me, you'd like to hang
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: the European mounts from the bucks you kill on your
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: man cave wall or wherever it may be. And I've
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: got an easy way to do that for you.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Go to Walmart.
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: You can get these two and a half inch metal
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: brackets like four for five bucks. And you take on
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: these brackets and you're gonna bend it at one of
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: these holes. So I take a pair of ice cripts
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: here and give a little bend about like that. You
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: can adjust the angle. May need to go a little
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: further on this one. And I'm gonna show you now
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: on the wall how it works.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: So here you can see, I've got one mounted on
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: the wall. I paint them black so they don't show
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: up as much. But you're gonna push that bracket right
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: into that brain cavity and your deer is gonna hang
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: there just perfect.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You can also hang antelope on them as well.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: I'm sure quite a few other animals maybe feel. Deer
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: work jack a little and load got that one crooked,
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: but there you go. I've got a lot of them,
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: and uh, they work really good.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: God he had to borrow a lot of deer to
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: make this big jack.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Good hunter.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: Jack from Minnesota here coming at you with a hot
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: tip off for skull cleaning. Ditch the turkey burner. Get
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: yourself a thermostack controlled water heater. Keep your temp between
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: ninety and one hundred and ten degrees, a process called
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: maceration will happen. The bacteria in that temp range is
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: gonna just eat the meat off of the skull. You're
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: not gonna have to do any high pressure water blasting.
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: It's pretty much all just gonna fall off. Change this
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: water every two to three days until all the meat
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: is off of the skull. To the same process with
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: don dish soap and water to decrease it, whiten it
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: with peroxide, and you're gonna yield some taxidermy level skull
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: cleaning at home. Your nose bones are gonna be there,
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: Your nasal cavity is gonna be there, hands off, hands free.
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: Your dog's gonna love the smell of it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Give it a shot, all right. Phil is going to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: put up a pole for the Chat to vote on.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: The Chat is going to decide who gets that one
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars meat eater gift card between Luke Long and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Jack Anderson, and we're gonna discuss which one we like best. Again.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Luke Long had the manipulated metal brackets for European mounts.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Jack Anderson had the thermostat controlled water heater for European mounts. Corey,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Which one do you like better? Which one would get
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: your vote?
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Both just fantastic liquid hot magma tips here. But I
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: think i'd have to go with Jacks. I'm gonna have
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: to try that. I noticed he had his antlers in
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the water too, which is something I'm always worried about
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: when you're boiling. Sure to keep those out. I always
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: wrap them in, illumin them, foil, and do like everything
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I can to keep the antler.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And he was just using a five gallon bucket, which
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: is you know everyone's got a dozen of those.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Lander.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think about that either, So I'm gonna
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: have to try that. So I'd probably have to go
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: with mister.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Anderson, cal Luke Loong or Jack Anderson? Which one?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I agree? They're both great. I'm gonna go with Luke,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: though I don't know. There's just something you do save
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: money with both for sure, but you also have to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: invest a little bit more with Jack. True, So I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I like.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I like the simplicity. I think of folks who aren't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: mechanically skilled, like even they can shut that's great.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Phil, Do we have some votes happening?
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: We do? You have some votes? They're still coming. We'll
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: give them another thirty seconds. Okay, so I started kind of.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Late, so we have one versus one in the room here.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I really like both of these lukes. The manipulated metal brackets.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That's great because that's like the exact shape I want
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: for a European amount, Like it put the skull right
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: in the perfect position how I think you want to
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: display ahead. It is saving you a couple of dollars.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I think he said a four pack is five bucks.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to vote for Jack Anderson's. That's just
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: like it's taking a really sucky chore and making it
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: much less sucky by doing the thermostat controlled water heater
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: for euros. That's something you can, you know, walk away from.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's like a crock pot version.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's where things go wrong with my friends
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: just walking away apart. It's like change the water every
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: two to three days, and they're like, oh, yeah, that's
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: been back there a long time.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Our producer just let me know that he bought one
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: of those heaters on Jack's recommendation on Amazon, and it
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: was thirty dollars.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Thirty dollars that's what it costs to fill a propane
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: tank that you'd go through, you know, doing a European
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: mount on a turkey cooker.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: And on that topic, with sixty two percent of the vote,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the winner is Jack.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, here, Jack Anderson, he's got a good head of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: hair on him. He's now going to get a one
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars Meat Eater gift card as well. Good for you, Jack.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Send your hot tip offs to radio at the meadeater
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: dot com and you might show up on a future
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: show of media to Radio. All right, we're about halfway
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: through the show. Let's take a break for some listener feedback.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Phil let's chat have to say.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Chat's mostly talking with Randall, who is very active in
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: the chat.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Randall. Where's Randall sitting at right now? Somewhere
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: on the live tour?
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Right? He is in Nashville, Tennessee. He sent me a
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: picture from the same green room we were hanging out
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: in at Buckfest twenty twenty five for the Big buck
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Hunter Championship. They're playing in the same venue that that
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: was in. So Randall's a seasoned vet of that building.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: But we've got a few questions. Get some more in.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: We've got Cal here, We've got Corey here, uh, speaking
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: of Mogor, says, let Corey know that he Morgan was
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: just saying thank you Corey for helping him with his
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: his cookbook through customs. Such a kind and helpful guy.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I agree, Mogor. We love having Corey. Oh glad you
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: got your books.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Moor took him about a year, but that's that's how
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: long it takes to get a book across the count
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: so really.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: It was actually quite fast.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: That's good. Garrett has a question for cal Cal have
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: you why? He says, why do guides not like the
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: seven villainter rem bag.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: We've covered this multiple times, so I'm gonna do it
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: real quick.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: When the seven Numb Numb made its appearance, it's it's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the classic thing that we still see today where target
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: loads are are the most prolific thing on the market.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: They shoot great, but they don't kill well. And looking
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: back on my experience with with the the old backfiring
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: fire belching boat anchor, I think is what it was
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: referred to as multiple times that was the issue. Not
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the ballistics, not the caliber, but a lack of good
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: ammo on the market. Killing ammo.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: There you go, sweet, let's see we've got a question
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: from pain Poplars Deer Jerky on a pellet grill versus
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a dehydrator. Is this something you guys have experience with? Yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: both methods, yep.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: If you have a big fancy pants dehydrator, I think
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that's the way to go for that same kind of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: set it and forget it type of deal, and it's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it would be like less expensive too, doesn't doesn't take
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: not a big drain on the old electric bill.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Something you can do in your your kitchen as well
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: versus pellig grill this time of year. I don't care
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: for firing that thing up in December outside.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: It's yeah again in your your run the show when
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you're cooking, like you got to account for that thing
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: warming up. It is a pain, But I do. I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: do like the products still good this time of year.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It just takes more time.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Corey. Any thoughts on jerky versus on the pelligrill versus dehydrator.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I've only used my oven connection of the Yeah, I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: don't know. It takes that work three four hours. Makes
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: pretty fine that you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Look forward to firing up in December. Yeah, exactly kind
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of neating. Ye, what else we got?
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Phil Friday Arrows asks best Christmas movie.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, Phil, you answer that one for us?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't. I love Christmas, but I'm not super
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: passionate about about Christmas movies. I love, I love the
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty, might be eighty three, the animated
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Mickey's a Christmas Carol. It's short and sweet. Yeah, it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: only like twenty five minutes long. That was That was
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: my that was my Christmas Carol. I it's a wonderful life.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: It's it's a long movie. I saw in Amazon that
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: they have an abridged version or they cut like an
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: hour out of the movie, which I think it's like sacrilegious.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That's horrible.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: But it is a long movie. Yeah, you know, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: like as far as modern stuff goes, I mean Elf,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Elf has kind of become like a classic. Yes, that
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: theme Home alone one and two are also good to
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: put on the background.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cory cal favorite Christmas movie.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I watched Bad Santa too the other night.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: It's not good.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: It's funny, but that's not the best Christmas movie ever.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I would have to say a Christmas Carol.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I think Scrooged with Bill Murray. It's like a fantastic
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Christmas movie. My like, I guess serious Christmas movie would
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: definitely be It's a Wonderful Life. Have always been a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: sucker for that one. And then a legit, fun funny
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: new Christmas movie is uh, oh, crapes, What's the Night Before?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I think is what it's called with Ye that is
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a legit, Ye that is that is legit.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: I like that one.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Elf would be my favorite Christmas movie. I'm far less
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: passionate about Christmas movies than Christmas music, though I love
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Christmas music. I've I've got Christmas playlist that you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: gets the dust brushed off it in Thanksgiving playing.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Mariah Carey is on there. I Will Shove You to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the floor.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Riah Carrey is on there. My favorite Christmas albums Casey
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: musk Graves. She has a phenomenal Christmas album, some very
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: good original music on there.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Do Wrong.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: She has a great Christmas album. I love snowm Forever.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Michael Bubla, He's you know, he's like the Coca Cola
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Christmas music. You have to have Michael.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Concert with.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Is it a Christmas concert?
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I mean it was. It was near the holiday seasons.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I think he played like one or two, but it
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: wasn't it wasn't specifically Christmas. The Vince Guaraldi jazz record
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: from a Charlie Brown. Charlie, that's the record I need.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a jazzy good Christmas music. Randy Travis.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I love his Christmas album, Love Love Christmas Music. Bill
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: gives a couple more.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: A couple more. Okay, let's see here a question for
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: cal from Kaye Clover Dan's are you excited for the
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: new role? Are you going to really locate to Missoula?
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: He's stoked to have you at the Helm come to
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Colorado Rendezvous this year.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Wow, thank you. I am super stoked. I'm real, real
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: excited to Yeah, first first legit day as January one,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: so really excited. Been onboarding a bunch and working with
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the team already and like, yeah, crazy crazy good staff.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: The mission orientation is provides for a different work environment
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: for sure. It's pretty pretty cool, passionate folks, really really
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: neat And yeah, I'm not planning on relocating back to Missoula.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's like three of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in Missoula right now. Anyway, like the atmospheric river, insanely
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: high winds. They don't need me in the mix right now.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: So you would be the fourth in that in that scenario,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I got it exactly.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I also love the Weezer Christmas album. Their rendition of
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Hark the Herald Angels Sings. It's great stuff. It's it's perfect.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: As a man who loves Weezer, I don't know if
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I can get on board with that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: All drop someible recommendations throughout the.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Show, but as far as modern Christmas movies, one more
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: for me too. There's an animated movie on Netflix called Klaus,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: which is kind of like a Santa origin story. Jason
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Schwartzman and JK. Simmons. It's very very good. Really, yes,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: it's it's a it's a great movie.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I also love the Mannheim Steamroller and went and saw
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: them last year in Bowsman. They rolled through, but it
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: wasn't the Mannheim Steamroller, which I felt a little bitrayed.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think we got like lower
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: than that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: All of those from the eighties that's still to an hour,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: kind of like Ship of Theseus, where it's like, if
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: you just keep replacing all the members, is it even
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: the same band anymore? You know?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And then weirdly they shoehorned in the song Convoy you familiar.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: With that they that is so weird.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It was very weird, very fun.
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: The audience was not into it as much as I was.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna move on. Our next segment is
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: meat Pole Say Sule Meat. Welcome to me, lady. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: got a game.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Something give me The beat Boy.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Meat Poll is a test of how much you know
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: about your fellow hunters and anglers. I surveyed five hundred
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: meat Eater listeners about the outdoors. Your job is to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: predict their answers. There are three questions. Whoever is closest
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to the correct answer between Cal and Corey gets a point,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: and whoever gets two points will be the winner. Also,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the chat should play along because Phil is going to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: watch your answers and give a shout out to whoever
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: is closest an unlike price is right, you guys can't cheat,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: so we know that the winner is You only win
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: if you're true of heart. Here's the first question. What
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: percentage of meat eater listeners would rather deer hunt in
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the morning instead of the afternoon. What percentage of meat
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: eater listeners would pick deer hunting in the morning rather
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: than the afternoon.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, we don't call it first light for nothing, not
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: last light.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: What would you pick, Corey? Deer hunting in the morning
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: or afternoon?
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: What day of the week are we talking.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: We're gonna say Thursday, Today morning, okay, cal morning or morning? Wow?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Two votes for morning. What percentage of meat Eater listeners
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: would rather deer hunt in the morning instead of the afternoon.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Five hundred listeners answered this question. Yeah, five hundred. I
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: like the afternoon just because there's a definitive vent when
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I'm in When I'm out there in the morning, I'm
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: always worried, like I'm leaving some meat on the bone.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Like if I take off at ten am, it's all
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: about to happen at ten fifteen am, Whereas in the afternoon,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's like it's done, it's over. I deal with that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: That's somebody who stands in a strap to a tree's perspective,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like why would you leave?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Why would you? Well, you gotta leave at some point,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, when it was dark again.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: It's right. Okay, you boys have your answers. Yeah, go
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: ahead and reveal your answers. Corey says ninety six percent
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: would rather hunt in the morning instead of the afternoon.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Cal says seventy three percent. The correct answer is sixty
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: four point eight percent. That gives Cal the first point.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: He was nine percentage points off.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I forget you're good at that.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You're playing against the man of the people.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He knows price is right, he knows meat pole.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I got spanked at prices right with Steve. That was
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: surprising to me.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: But now I did my own survey at home. All
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: of the forty one bucks I could recall, nineteen were
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: killed in the morning, twenty two in the afternoon. That
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: means fifty four percent were afternoon versus forty six percent
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in the morning. And I found this interesting. My five
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: biggest white tails were killed in the afternoon, but my
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: three biggest muleis were killed in the morning. I don't
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: know how to make sense of that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I have many animals that I located in the morning
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and killed in the afternoon. Had I not been out
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: there in the morning, sure, I would have had no
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: idea where they were.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Just hunt both we had Mark from Southeast Arizona. I
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: get sixty five percent.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Two percentage points off. Well done, Mark from Southeast Arizona.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Here is our second question. Cal has a
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: one point lead. What percentage of meat eater listeners have
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: ridden a horse?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: That's a new one.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: What percentage of me deater listeners have ridden a horse?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I have never rode a horse. I was thinking about.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I'm reading a book right now called The Horse. That
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: was what made me think of this. I don't think
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I've even ever touched a horse.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're really missing out on anything.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I was like, well, I've made it
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to thirty three years old without touching a horse. I
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: can probably do the rest of my life without that.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Have you ridden a horse? Cory?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I grew up with horses, worked with horses. Majority of
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: my life was around horses.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: When's the last time you were on a horse.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It's been a couple of years now though, Okay, yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: five six years.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Now, Calvin's the last time you jumped on a horse?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: The last fall I did some I can't imagine it's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: all that high.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: What percentage of meat eater listeners have ridden a horse?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Phil have you if you wrote a horse, I have
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: ridden a horse? Okay, yeah, I don't know if you
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: know this, but Philip means lover of horses.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like I told you that you already knew that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that. But I do not love horses.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: But I have ridden one. Yes, that's horseship.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: What percentage of meat eater listeners have ridden a horse?
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: That's seventy just in the room.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Is it true of you, Phil? Do you love horses?
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I do not. I don't. I just something about them.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm I'm just intimidated by them or they I
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: think it's just the smell.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: If this wasn't a kid's show, i'd tell you exactly.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, take the romanticism away.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I don't mind looking at them, especially like I know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: wild horses are all wrong for ecology purposes, but they're
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: quite majestic out there.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I just think, in the year twenty twenty five, almost
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: twenty six, I find no use for a horse living
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: living in my suburban neighborhood. Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I have had many fun adventures that have included those animals,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And every one of those adventures also included moments where
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, I hate these things so much.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: They were just a tool for me the last few exactly,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: it's the tool, exactly.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: The boys ready with an answer.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the tools don't make it out of the woods.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the tool tries to kill you and reveal your answers.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Corey says forty percent of meat eater listeners have ridden
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: a horse. Cal says thirty percent. The correct answer is
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: eighty one point eight percent. So Cory is the closest
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't even halfway to the correct answer eighty
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: one point eight percent. Phil, how'd the chat do?
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: We had Friday arrows who asked the Christmas movie question
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: goes eighty four percent. That was the closest one I could.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I could see most people were way under.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: According to a twenty eighteen survey, about twenty seven million
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Americans ride a horse each year. That's more horse riders
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: than golfers, tennis players, or skiers. Of those twenty seven
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: million Americans, about seventy thousand wind up in an emergency
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: room because of horse related In all Right, the third
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and final questions, it is tied at one to one
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: between Cal and Corey. What percentage of meat eater listeners
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: have eaten deer testicles? What percentage of meat eater listeners
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: have eaten deer testicles? This will determine our winner. Corey,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: have you yeah?
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Sure?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Cal, have you yep, I have as well. We're three
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: for three at the host table, Phil Lubber of horses.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Have you eaten deer test three?
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: I have? Not?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Three for four?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: What percentage of mediater listeners have eaten deer testicles? Such
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: an easy thing to pack out too? They got no weight?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're already packing yours.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Out, Phil, Excuse me, Cal, how would you tell someone
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to prepare a deer testicle?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, beat it and fry it?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and like a tenderloin in that just like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: don't let that thing getting the freezer. They're too small.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Make it up as an appetizer in those first couple
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: of days.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, I mean you can pull that membrane
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: off the outside, but if you just cut the thing
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: in half and give it a couple of wax with
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the hammer, totally, yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And leave that membrane. Leave that membrane until you're ready
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to cook it though, Like until you know the minute
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you're about to throw that thing in the fryer. Leave
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: it on right up until then. You boys ready with
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: an answer.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Let's do this.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead and reveal your answers for the victory.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Does that say twenty six or two point six twenty six.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Corey says twenty six percent of our five hundred Meat
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Eater listeners have eaten a deer testicle. Cal says thirty
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: three percent. The correct answer is nine point nine percent.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: That Ma's Corey our winner of meat poll today.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Kat. We've been talking about this stuff for so long.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I've figured the adaptation rate it would be a little higher.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Convinced some folks, if not. My little flavor text here
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: will do that. Deer testicles are a superfood. A three
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: ounce serving has one hundred and ten calories, four grams
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: of fat, and eighteen grams of protein. Nutritionally, that makes
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: them similar to sardines and pork tenderloin. For tips on
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: cooking them, go watch Steve's video called how to Cook
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Venison Testicles on Meat Eater's YouTube channel.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: It Ryan bet twenty one guests ten percent wow.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Point one percentage points off. Well done, Ryan.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I would rather have a fried deer testicle with cocktail
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: sauce like legit cocktail sauce than pork tenderlin.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah, you know what, I think. I would say
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the same. It's very close, but I would say of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: all the organs. That's my favorite. It's a deer test call.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I take that above a heart, above a liver, anything
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: else in the gut pile.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I used to make every year. I haven't done it
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: in years because now I just get frustrated and throw
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the hearts in the grinder in the grind, which is
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: a fine use of them. But I used to make
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: these capre s a sandwiches with dear heart or elkhart
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: because the bite, the consistency of that muscle is so
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: perfect for sandwiches, Like it's there, sure, but you're going
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: to be able to to bite through it, and that
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: is a like it's pretty it's pretty special when the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: garden's all fresh.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: We asked this question a couple of years from now,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it's going to be double that point, all right. Joining
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: us on the line last is Cornell University professor Trent Presler.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: His new book, Evergreen, is about America's relationship with connifers. Trent,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: Hey, thanks for having me.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: We will get to Christmas trees in just a second. First,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about some of the other things
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: your book covers. You say that Evergreen trees have started
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: wars tell us about that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, the American Revolutionary War actually started with the
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: pine tree Riot, which I think most people find shocking
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: because we're taught in fifth grade that it started with
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: the Boston tea Party, right. But by the fifteenth century,
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: the Brits had cut down every single tree and all
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: of their islands in the British Aisles. You go to
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: Britain today England, you drive around the countryside, you think
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: these are nice sheep's meadows, full of grass. But historically
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: they were covered in trees, and they used wood to
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: build their battleships, and they were desperate for tall, straight
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: pine trees to make the masts on their ships for
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: the Royal Navy. And they had been blocked by other
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: nations from cutting trees, and the Pyrenees, the Alps, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: the Baltic States. So they sent the pilgrims to America
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: to cut down trees. And eventually the crown said, they
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: told all the colonists, we own all the big trees.
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: Any tree over twenty four inches wide belongs to the
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: monarchy for the Royal Navy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: So the guy up right.
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: So the colonists got pretty mad. They started cutting down
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: all the pine trees that were twenty three inches wide
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: in defiance of the law right, And so you see
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: today even in a lot of colonial homes in northeastern
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: US wide pine plank flooring that's twenty three inches wide,
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: which is from that era of rebellion. But anyway, long
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: story short. The King sends his surveyors over to mark
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: the trees that they own. And this poor guy was
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: having a beer in the Where tavern, the pine Tree
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: Tavern in Where New Hampshire, when this angry lumberjack named
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: Ebenezer Mudget stormed in with his crew. They'd painted their
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: faces black with soot. They held the king surveyors up
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: by their feet and whipped them furiously with pine branches
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: and sent them out of town on the back of
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: a horse. So that was really the start of the
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: American Revolutionary War, and it predated the Boston Tea Party
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: by exactly one year.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Amazing. That's a great bit of America.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Wonderful.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: In chapter nine, you talk about the relationship between whaling
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and evergreen trees. How were those two connected?
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely so. As we hunted whales to near extinction
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: in eighteen hundreds, we were using them primarily their blubber
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: for lighting oil. We burned it for everything. People lit
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: their homes with whale oil candles and whale oil lanterns.
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: And as the whale populations diminished, shows sharply that the
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: price of whale oil skyrocketed. Where it was in like
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: eighteen fifty money, it was like thirty eight bucks a gallon,
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: which is like outrageous, like several hundred dollars for a
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: gallon of whale oil. So there was a desperate search
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: on to find a more affordable burning fuel, and we
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: settled on something called camphene, which was a blend of
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: turpentine and a few other Solventsine is one of the
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: world's most flammable substances, and it exists in evergreen conifers.
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: So that thus began this huge effort to tap pine
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: trees from North Carolina all the way through Texas to
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: tap the turpentine and the sap and the resin so
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: that we could have a burning fuel. And ironically it
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: actually saved the whales from extinction because it released the
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: pressure on hunting them so much.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. Love this evergreen history. Later you write about how
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: in the nineteenth century, being a lumberjack was the most
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: lethal profession in America. One stat showed that over a
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: forty year career, lumberjacks had a fifty to fifty chance
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: of dying on the job. What was it about that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: era that made this so dangerous.
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: Well, it's hard to fathom how men in that era
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: cut down trees that big. You see these archival photos
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: of the lumberjacks kind of leaning up against a soquoia
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: tree or a redwood tree that might be thirty feet
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: wide at the base and if you're you know, it's
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: hard to picture it now, but America was covered in
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: old growth trees, trees that were between five hundred and
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: three thousand years old, and the only tools that they
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: had at the time were these rudimentary tools. There was
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: a double bladed axe and a what they called a
• 45:18
  Speaker 10: misery whip, which was a long saw that was between
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: fifteen and twenty feet long that two men would hold
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: on either end and like kind of push and pull
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: like this. Right, So you think about it, You have
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: no mechanical equipment, you have a saw and an axe,
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: and you're with a group of guys. You know, you
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: all probably have rotten feet and sore and rotten teeth
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: and syphilis and you're miserable. It's like eighteen fifty, right,
• 45:44
  Speaker 10: and you're like, let's cut down this tree that's three
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: hundred feet tall and weighs as much as six humpback whales.
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: So the majority of those deaths happened simply by being
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: crushed underneath the fallen trees and branches. It was shocking.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I both grew up in South Dakota,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: so when you covered the Green Glacier in the book,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: that hit close to home. Explain to folks what the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: green Glacier is and why it's a problem.
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: So the Green Glacier is this menacing advance of millions
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: and millions of cedar trees that are taking over the
• 46:18
  Speaker 10: Great Plains, and it is an ecological crisis of epic
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: proportions that I wish more people would pay attention to.
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: Let me just back up for a second. The cedars
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: I'm talking about are the eastern red cedar, otherwise known
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: as Juniperus virginiana. They're native to the US. They're not invasive,
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: they're actually native here. They grow in all fifty states.
• 46:37
  Speaker 10: They're incredibly resilient and adaptive. So for about ten thousand
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: years they were kept in check in places like South Dakota.
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: They only grew in river valleys and ravine bottoms, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: they were kept in check by two things. The first
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: were indigenous peoples. Native Americans had controlled burning practices, so
• 46:55
  Speaker 10: they would occasionally light fire to the prairie, which would
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: suppress the vans of woody tree saplings. The second was
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: the presence of billions and billions of bison. So there's
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: a lot of research that shows that land where bison
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: were present, where they grazed and they trampled, they kept
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: the emergence of woody tree saplings at bay, which allowed
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: the world's greatest grassland ecosystem to thrive here in the
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: central part of the United States.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: It's still the.
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: World's largest remaining intact grassland, but it's in grave danger
• 47:30
  Speaker 10: right now because without indigenous fire practices and without billions
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: of bison roaming the plains, now the cedars are taking over.
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: They're creeping up out of the river valleys, and they're
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: spreading across millions of square miles of the prairie states.
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: And I've talked to cattle ranchers even that are going
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: to have to close up shop because they're losing prime
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: grazing land to the trees.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Where I grew up in eastern South Dakota, the cattle
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: ranchers there public enemy number one was the red cedar.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Was not coyotes, it was not Canadian thistle, it was
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: a red ceedar, just because they would take over and
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: choke out entire pastures that were otherwise, you know, very
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: productive places to graze.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And you get that neighbor next year who is not
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: into agriculture. They just want to be out there for
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: their deer season. Sure, and they like the trees because
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it gives the deer something to hide behind. Hey, come on,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: come on, North American Grasslands Conservation Act. That is one
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: tool that if we get that sucker off the ground
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: run and would provide some additional tools to get knocked
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: back the cedar encroachment. I love that you bring this up. Yeah,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: grasslands are very important to us in the Hunt and
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Anglan space.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Christmas trees. To write this book,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: you spent a lot of time on Christmas tree farms.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: That is a type of farm. I've never been around.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: What is the average Christmas tree growing operation? Like?
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so they're out of public eye for a seven
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: months of the year, right, But they're mostly small family farms.
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: The average age of a Christmas tree farmer is sixty five,
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: which is a problem for the industry because people are
• 49:09
  Speaker 10: aging out and not replacing themselves. The average salary and
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: income actually is actually quite low at about twenty five
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: thousand dollars, so most of these farmers have off farm
• 49:19
  Speaker 10: income or day jobs. But one of the great benefits
• 49:23
  Speaker 10: of Christmas tree farms is that they're growing a great,
• 49:26
  Speaker 10: highly valuable economic product on marginal land. So this is
• 49:30
  Speaker 10: land often that is you know, rocky or on steep
• 49:33
  Speaker 10: slopes where you can't grow corn or you can't install irrigation,
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: So what can you grow there? You can grow Christmas trees.
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: And often those farms also are doing a whole lot
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: of work at just preserving open space and keeping the
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: you know, suburban sprawl from getting every single square inch
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: of our wild habitat.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and in nineteen eighty five, Americans bought thirty three
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: million fresh cut Christmas trees. In twenty twenty three that
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: number was just twelve million. That's a twenty one million decline.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: What happened, Trent.
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the Christmas tree industry has contracted by about eighty
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: five percent in the last half century, and that there's
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: a couple factors. The first is the pernicious rise of artificial, fake,
• 50:18
  Speaker 10: plastic Christmas trees, which has which all are made in
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: China one hundred percent in plastics factories subsidized by their.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the feeling you don't like them.
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: You think like, I don't know, I read my book,
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: I make no bones about how I really feel about
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: Christmas trees. But you know, so the the plastic Christmas
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: tree business. Now, last year those imports were over two
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: billion dollars, with another four billion dollars in just plastic
• 50:46
  Speaker 10: Christmas ornaments and lights and everything else. So that's one
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: thing that has really affected the natural Christmas tree farm industry.
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: And by the way, today the entire national stockpile of
• 50:57
  Speaker 10: Christmas tree farms could fit within roughly within the city
• 51:00
  Speaker 10: limits of Los Angeles or New York City. There's only yeah,
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: there's only three thousand farmers left grow in Christmas trees.
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: It's a dying business. But the other thing that happened
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: along the way is that trees became much harder to
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: grow in a climate that's changing quite rapidly. So we've
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: seen like the heat dome that was in Oregon a
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: couple summers ago, where it was one hundred degrees for
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: a week. It killed tens of millions of young saplings
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: in Christmas tree farms. We're also seeing extended periods of drought.
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: You're probably familiar since you're deer hunters. You've seen the
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: extensive beetle kill damage in the western US, with just
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: millions of acres of pine trees standing dead because the
• 51:41
  Speaker 10: beetles would normally be killed in a really tough cold winter,
• 51:45
  Speaker 10: but with a mild winter, they're surviving in great numbers
• 51:48
  Speaker 10: and attacking evergreen trees in the spring, and they're just
• 51:51
  Speaker 10: not able to recover. So I've spoken to a lot
• 51:53
  Speaker 10: of Christmas tree farmers around the country where they just
• 51:56
  Speaker 10: lose the seedlings to disease or drought or heat, and
• 51:59
  Speaker 10: they can't afford to replace them. And it's a slow
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: moving disaster. Because if I might add one more point,
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: if you think the heat dome that killed millions of
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: seedlings three years ago, we won't see the impact of
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: that in the marketplace for another seven years. Oh, because
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: the trees grow eight or ten years before they're big
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: enough to cut them down.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Now you interviewed the man who hunts down America's most
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: famous tree, the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree. Tell us about
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: how that tree is selected.
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Eric Pouts. He's got one of the most fascinating
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: jobs in the world. I think he's been in this
• 52:32
  Speaker 10: position for thirty years as the head gardener for a
• 52:35
  Speaker 10: Rockefeller Center. And he drives around the Northeast in his
• 52:39
  Speaker 10: Ford truck and he's kind of just scoping out trees constantly,
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: and he keeps notes and note cards and notepads of
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: where he sees trees. And then sometimes he will literally
• 52:49
  Speaker 10: just walk up to a door of a house and
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: knock on the door and say, hello, I'm the guy
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: from Rockefeller Center. Can we cut down your tree?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: And some people the door and they think this is
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: an axe murderer, this is weird. And then some people
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: are like, really, are you that guy? And you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: he has an ID and some stuff he shows them
• 53:10
  Speaker 10: to prove that he's legit. But he's got a backlist
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: of many trees in his mind, so he's already pretty
• 53:18
  Speaker 10: much picked the tree for the next like five years,
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: and then he kind of circles back to monitor them,
• 53:24
  Speaker 10: make sure they're healthy. They're getting water and nutrients. But anyway,
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: once they pick the tree, they get the approval of
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: the owner, they'll make a nice plaque to install. They'll
• 53:33
  Speaker 10: come on cutting day, they wrap all the branches very carefully,
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: and then put it on a giant flatbed truck and
• 53:39
  Speaker 10: haul it into New York City.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Amazing stuff. Last question, if we're just strictly looking at
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: this from a conservation standpoint, is it better to get
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: a real Christmas tree every year or use a fake one?
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: Always buy a real tree. I will say this from
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: the tible, shout this from the top of every mountain.
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: The world doesn't need more plastic and artificial trees. There's
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: a myth that, oh they last forever, Let me get
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: a fake tree, but a lot of research shows that
• 54:06
  Speaker 10: in fact, artificial Christmas trees are similar to IKEA furniture
• 54:11
  Speaker 10: and that they people usually throw them away after seven years.
• 54:15
  Speaker 10: After seven years, you know, you like you want the
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: next tree that's got different lights, or the revolving base
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: or Bluetooth speaker or now there's even there's even fake
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: Christmas trees that come with an artificial pine scent embedded
• 54:28
  Speaker 10: in them. And you know also every time you buy
• 54:32
  Speaker 10: an artificial tree, and let's say you do use it
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: for seven years before you throw it in the landfill,
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: that during those seven years, that means seven years of
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: real trees that are not being purchased from small family farmers.
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: And then you also have to think of just the
• 54:47
  Speaker 10: farms themselves where the trees are grown. They're providing wildlife
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: habitat for grazers, birds, insects, the mammals that we all
• 54:57
  Speaker 10: like to hunt and fish, you know, like these these
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: are part of our ecosystem and our living environment. And
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: yes we cut it down, but all those farms they
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: plant another one right in the place where they cut
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: the other one down. So it's the most renewable resource.
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: We've got good stuff.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Love it. Don't need to twist our arm about having
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: a real tree.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: How did you find this guest? This is the best guest.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Oh what a couple of Trent. We've done a year
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and a half of episodes and Cal has declared you
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to be the best guest. Well fell us out the codings.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: We stick together. Yeah yeah. Trent's new book, Evergreen, is
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: available right now wherever books are sold. It's a fun read,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: for folks who spend a lot of time outside Trent.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
• 55:38
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much pleasure, Thanks for having me.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Guys, do you have a Christmas tree up at home
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 55:47
  Speaker 11: No?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. No, No, how about last year? Did
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: you have one last year?
• 55:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: The year before that? No, okay, every other year rotation
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: you're on.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: It's just like the travel schedule and trying to keep
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: take care of something. And if I'm being honest, the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: dead tree is still hanging around.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: In your back. You know.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: We tucked over on the side of the house.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: It's good habitat for some birds and voles and mice.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: It is, yeah, good, good.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Doesn't bother me. But boy, I just do not think
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: much of people with fake trees.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Now sure, yeah, the planet.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Right up there with those scented trash bags for me.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, out of the mountains to get our tree, Cory,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you you sometimes do that. This year you bought one
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: out of parking lot though, right.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Nope, No, we got a fake tree.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, fake tree. What a loser.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But they walk among us, sitting right next to you.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: What's the tree situation?
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: We've got a real tree. We we just go to
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: a nursery. So we're not we're not out there getting
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: getting our boots dirty. But but it's it's real.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's things that I just don't argue with my
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: wife about.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: There you go, now you tell her to watch this.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to age your mind. Definitely.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: We're going to read that book.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'd go like this route, I'd be like, you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: what's interesting that you're so invested in raising this child? Right, Yeah,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: that's that's pretty neat that you think this is worth worthwhile.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: But some things aren't.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: There's not going to be any planet around for Marshall
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: when he gets your guys, it's.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Trust me there like late November deer hunting. She's looking
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: at Christmas trees. I wish I could, Yeah, but again
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: worth it maybe, So.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: That's why Corey has that black eye all right. Our
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: last segment is Tattoos. I regret.
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: Hello talk miss my old friend.
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: I've looked at my tattoo again. Such a good when
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: I was drunk last summer, and a pizza says, A
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: fuss will always fine, harps, it's a tattoo.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: We do this segment only to hear that beautiful song.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: It's wonder Phil wonderful stuff. We have two tattoos today.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Calan Corey are going to describe what they look like
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: for the listening audience. But if you want to see
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: them for yourself, and you do, then head over to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel to watch this episode.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: All right, Phil, show us that very first tattoo.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Is this the sorry.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: You got it right there? What does that look like? Cal,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: describe for our listening audience what you're.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Seeing, say, real tight racked white tail.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's sitting on top of a knee.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's shoulder. That's like, yeah, his shoulder, upper arm.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: And then the eye is real dark.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: It is interesting.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: This tattoo was sent to us by Jack Shotgun. He says,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: hello to my favorite podcast. I present to you the
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: tattoo I most regret. I was nineteen years old. It
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: was the fourth of July and my buddy had recently
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: purchased a tattoo gun. He asked me what I wanted, and,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: being a lover of all things outdoors, I said I'd
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: like a big old buck on my arm. I paid
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: fifty dollars for it, and he tattooed a nice big
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: white tail. Now here's the problem. I live in Utah
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and have never seen a white tail buck with my
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: own eyes. So Jack wasn't specific enough, and instead of
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: getting a big old mule deer buck, he's got a
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: white tail that came straight from Michigan and he's never
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: even laid eyes.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Would did the friend continue on in his tattoo career.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'd be an interesting aside.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty well done. I love the muscular Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: it's all run it up.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not Yeah, yeah it is funny. It's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: worth it's worth having it.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad tattoo, but it's not a great
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: tattoo if you've never seen one. It does take up
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: some space, a lot of precious real estate on Jack
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Shotgun's upper arms.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Oddly enough for me, the fact that it's fifty dollars,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, good job.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah says honestly, not bad for fifty bucks.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, here is our next tattoo. This is from Eric
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: James Corey. What are you seeing there? From Eric?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot going on here. It looks like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: a mountainous scene with a fly rod and maybe some
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: sort of wolf dry fly going on there. There's a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: latitude longitude coordinates looking at his forearm there on the inside.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: It's very well done. It looks fresh, obviously in this
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: photo a lot of detailed skin still red.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Here's what detail Eric had to say about that tattoo.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: He said, this tattoo is actually one of my favorites.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: That being said, it still managed to cause me a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: great deal of embarrassment. The coordinates in the tattoo are
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: of a small creek my family and I have fished
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: as long as I can remember. We usually go together
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: once a year. About six years ago, though, I went
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: with my uncle and cousins and we hiked separately. I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: got to a point in the trail where it forks,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: and I took a wrong turn and wound up a
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: mile from the creek. Not a big deal, but as
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: you can imagine, my family gave me all sorts of shit.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: How could you not know? It's literally on your arm,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: they said. They mocked me the rest of the day,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: and that story often comes up at family gatherings or
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: anytime the creek is mentioned. I'm sure this week at Christmas,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Eric is going to hear about that. Now. Okay, someone
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Phil has just put a comment up there from dnh sage.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: He says, Now that's how you spot burn. Totally agree.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine putting like your favorite spot in the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: mountains the exact coordinates on your arm for all to see.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Nope, No, you're just sitting at a restaurant in somebody's eyeballs.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Watching the show, Eric James has told all up
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: right now his favorite creak is to fish at with
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: his family. It's not going to be so good anymore. Eric.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: It's a great tattoo though.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Good tattoo, but now he has to get mocked at
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Christmas time because of the time he got lost going
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: to that exact spot. Huh. All right, that brings us
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: to the end of this week's show. Phil, Let's get
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: some final feedback from the chat.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Oh sure, I was gonna look up where this guy's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: spot was.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Let's see here here we are. First of all, Santa
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: came into the chat. He says, quote, you think getting
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: a tattoo is good. No, getting a tattoo is not good.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: I don't care about it, but it's not good behavior.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Thanks Santa, appreciate it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: We've got a question, Williams.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Do deer balls taste like cowballs or are they completely different.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Tastes the same. It's just like working with something that the cowboys,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: which are from a bowl, those are five exercise from
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: a deer. So it's like working with a roast off
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: of a big bull elk versus an antelope.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I think there can be some flavor change, whether you're
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: working in the rut or not. Sure, that's more elk
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: experience with Yeah, elk.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Testicles five exercise though on a bowl.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: From Jack Lions. He says, oops, see hi, all advice
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: for cooking prong horn prong horn antelope for someone who
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: is an adult onset hunter. Got my first antelope with
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: a both.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I think in the nation archery antelope has one of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the lowest success rates for hunters. So well done, Jack
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Lions cal tell him how to cook that thing.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Just meet hum rare, buddy. Don't don't overcook it. Yeah,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: just just nice and simple. Don't overcook it. It'll be great.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the taste of that antelope, Jack
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: was determined back in August or September, whenever you killed
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: this thing. I think antelope gets a bad rap because
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: people kill them when it's hot outside. They don't take
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: care of the meat right away. They're butchering the thing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: in a place where they set the hind quarter on
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: a sage bush. And those sage bushes are super oil,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: And so when folks are like, oh, this meat just
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: tastes like sage, that's not what the antelope tasted like.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: That's what the anelope tasted like after you laid the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: hind quarter on a whole sage bush and got it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: covered in oil. So I think, Jack, if it tastes good,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: pat yourself on the back back in August for how
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: you took care of the meat. Corey, what would you
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: say about cooking that antelope?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, hopefully steaked most of it. At least
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: every antelope that I get, I try and I try
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: not to grind any of it, just because every steak
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: from neck to tail is just so darn delicious.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and typically tender. I'll tell you straight up, we
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: had a very tense evening meal about ten days ago
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: in my household us. I said, now, don't overcook that,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and snort overcooked it and overcooked it? And how overcooked?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Just a solid medium well okay, yeah, like near burn. Yeah,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like cube it up and turn it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: into green chili. At that point differences from Ryan mo
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a Han a question for everyone.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: I'm still looking for a gift for my dad that
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: might help him hunt a little easier. He's getting older
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: and isn't as mobile as he used to be. Gift
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: ideas for older folks.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Have you got him the fed up old trucks calendar?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd make him a better hunter.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it's something to think about a little easier on X.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I find that most of the older hunters in my
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: life don't have on X and you show it to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: them and they're blown away, like well, I've always wondered
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: who owned that property over under? I don't know. Makes
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: it getting in out of the field a lot easier
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: if he hunt any cold place. Just some hand warmers,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: till warmers, so folks, they get cold faster than a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: young buck like Corey.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Well, and one thought of those image stabilizing buyos. Everybody
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: gets a little shaky as they age, but be a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: little less expensive, A solid shooting tripod, something that can
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: help keep that gun steady.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Yep, he's a rifle hunting.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I like all these. That's good thinking.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: They'll do a few more.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Sure, we got one from Phil. He says, Hey Phil, Phil, here,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: I'd like to know if the crew has a preferred
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: Christmas cocktail or adult beverage. Can you ask them about
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: the next question break we'll do Phil.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Corey said yes before the question was finished. What is it, Corey?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Anything and everything? Uh huh yeah, beer, whiskey, yeah, vodka, quila.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: That really is anything and everything.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I saw an old ad for doctor Pepper back in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: like the sixties or seventies where they recommended eating up
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: some doctor Pepper on the stove and you serve that
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: at Christmas time is like a Christmas drink. I like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: that idea. So the last couple of years, I've been
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: heating some up on the stove and then I pour
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: some rum in there, and I feel like I'm having
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: a cocktail from fifty years ago.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Nice Phil and I have covered this and I've secured some,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: but it's in Idaho. Go on Bose Angelus, like we
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: just cannot get the the Christmas ales, like the seasonal
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: cold weather beer.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Those are my favorites. That was going to be my answer. Yeah, yep, yeap.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: So we have jubile Ale, which is good, which is
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: one of my favorites. That's from the shoots out a Bend.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Jewbil Ale is a big, good ones, very very unique
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: tasting for sure.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: But I think that my favorite is Nincossi Slayer and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: it is not distributed in the state of Montana.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: The thing is it used to be, but there is
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: I heard about. There was some drama about it. There's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: like a distributor war they where they were kind of
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: buying for power Ever distributes Nincosti said fine, we're just
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: gonna worth. We'll take our business elsewhere and they stopped
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: bringing Nincosti beers out of you. Which a Slayer is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: a fine good winter beer. I love beers that don't
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: have like a lot of Christmas beers. We'll do a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: bunch of additives, like they'll put spices in them of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: fruits and stuff, which is you know, that's fine on occasion,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: but I can't drink a lot of that. And I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: think it's like a natural beer that gets kind of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: like a nice fruity, roasty flavor with just the grains
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: and the hops. Is impressive.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Lower budget option that was surprisingly tasty was the sam
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Adam Seasonal Oh like their winter beer. We had that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: in South Dakota. Uh huh A couple of weeks ago,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: and it was great back when it felt like winter.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: It was like six blow zero.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: I love a good eggnog. I do a homemade eggnog.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: The thing about egnog is that I can't drink a
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  Speaker 4: lot of it, and I'm not much of a sipper.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really like sipping on drinks.
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  Speaker 2: You know another Christmas song I Love of His Father
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  Speaker 2: Christmas by The Kinks. I'd put that like a top
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  Speaker 2: five Christmas song of all time. It's like where some
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  Speaker 2: kids are angry that, like, God damn, Santa didn't bring
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  Speaker 2: this any gifts again this year doesn't necessarily age great
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  Speaker 2: because he asked for a machine gun to scare the
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  Speaker 2: kids down the street and father Christmas. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: little relic. What else you got, Phil, give us a
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  Speaker 2: cup more sure?
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  Speaker 4: Dylan's asking what you're gonna do with your deer this year,
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  Speaker 4: Spencer Old, specifically, are you going to make more tallow?
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  Speaker 2: We have tallo in the freezer. We'll render that over
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  Speaker 2: Christmas break sometime. Then we're going to have some more
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: lip bombs, boot bombs, make some lotion, some chapstick. We
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: have great plans with all that towel. I didn't kill
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  Speaker 2: anything early enough this year to have like a super
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  Speaker 2: super fatty buck. Last year, I killed a buck in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Idaho in early October and that thing was loaded with fat.
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  Speaker 2: So this year I'm kind of scraping the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the barrel as far as my towel goes. One more, Phil,
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  Speaker 2: One more.
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  Speaker 4: Why hasn't met eater created an ugly slash holiday sweater
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  Speaker 4: that's from a teodor or something or other. Great, that's
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  Speaker 4: a great question. I think it's a good idea. We
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  Speaker 4: should do something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's good.
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  Speaker 4: That's for Sam upstairs. Okay, take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six. Now we have pre recorded episodes next
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  Speaker 2: week and the week after for Christmas and New Year.
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  Speaker 2: So this is our last live show of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, everybody. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year.
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  Speaker 1: Travel safe, get outside, have fun.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate you hanging with us for twenty twenty five. By now,