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SMNTY Classics: Soups are for Girls? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I met of stuff I never told you production of iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 2: and as listeners know, I am. I'm going through my
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  Speaker 2: loss of Savor, the other podcast I used to host,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, what episodes have we done that
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  Speaker 2: are food based that I could bring back just like
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  Speaker 2: an honor of it. And I thought about the one
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  Speaker 2: it was your idea, Samantha, and it was about soups
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  Speaker 2: being for girls, like being gendered. Yeah, very strange, very strange.
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  Speaker 2: And I know, you know, as weird as this is
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  Speaker 2: coming out, it's very hot outside. Back to say, I've
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  Speaker 2: been eating a lot of soups, and I remembered. I
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  Speaker 2: know this is strange to some people, but I have
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  Speaker 2: this tradition around the anniversary of my dad's death was
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  Speaker 2: to July twenty sixth, which does involve FUBB. And so
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  Speaker 2: we've got soup on the brain.
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  Speaker 1: Soup on the brain not a bad place to think on.
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  Speaker 2: That's not bad.
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  Speaker 1: The more thisss I wanted, I also have soup on
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  Speaker 1: the brain. Obviously, well, always, always.
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  Speaker 2: Always, well, listeners, let us know if you have soup
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  Speaker 2: on the brain. But in the meantime, please enjoy this
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  Speaker 2: classic episode.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Steff. I never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: And y'all. Okay, So today is October twenty third, twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: so coming up on Halloween. But it is not really,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a Halloween episode. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Annie,
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  Speaker 1: It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: I alogy said, we got a little we got derailed
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  Speaker 2: by all of our We did COVID and Jerry duty,
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  Speaker 2: and we didn't do as much as we normally do
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  Speaker 2: the season.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't, and I think we need to. I think
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  Speaker 1: we can make it up November and just make that
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  Speaker 1: the season because we do need to come back to it.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say this is a Fall episode. And
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  Speaker 1: I say this though because originally when I thought of
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  Speaker 1: this episode, it was because it had gotten below forty
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  Speaker 1: at one point in Georgia, and if you know anything
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  Speaker 1: about Georgia, that is significant because we don't have that
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  Speaker 1: much coldness in the South, and especially with the global
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  Speaker 1: warming and climate change, yeah, it's gotten worse. But I'd
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  Speaker 1: love this season, Annie, I love this season. Fall really
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  Speaker 1: is one of those seasons that lust to fool us
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  Speaker 1: because again, in the South, we usually get about three
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  Speaker 1: weeks of lovely weather where the leaves turn gold and
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  Speaker 1: red and yellow and all the things, and a cardigan
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  Speaker 1: or a sweater is enough. You get a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a jacket. And it also ushers in one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite foods, soups, soups and stews and all of
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  Speaker 1: the same, which we just had a funny conversation previously
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  Speaker 1: about Coroner who does not love soups, and I'm a
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  Speaker 1: little bit like, eh, that kind of disappoints me and you, Well.
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  Speaker 2: I won't I won't go into specific, but I am
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  Speaker 2: gonna bring it up because this is really interesting to me.
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  Speaker 2: She was asking me why I like soup, and the
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  Speaker 2: gender difference we're going to talk about here is something
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  Speaker 2: I had to consider and I had not previously. But
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  Speaker 2: part of my answer was based on that.
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  Speaker 1: It's really okay, all right, So I will say, did
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  Speaker 1: I just recently partake into a large bowl of kimpti
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  Speaker 1: ja gay? That was last week, y'all? Like when I
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  Speaker 1: say we started this idea last week when it was cold,
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  Speaker 1: this week it is now back to eighties, like hot
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  Speaker 1: at night at sixty degrees in the daytime is eighty
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  Speaker 1: something degrees, And will be for the next week. I
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  Speaker 1: think we get like in one little dip next week.
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  Speaker 1: Late next Monday, it goes back down to like fifty
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  Speaker 1: something at night, so you know, Like so while I
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  Speaker 1: got cold for a split second, I per took in
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  Speaker 1: my kimchi jaga or kimchi stew. I also bought ingredients
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  Speaker 1: for homemade chicken itddle soup. Then I waited too late
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't do it, but I will do it. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the answer is yes to all of that. And I
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  Speaker 1: went on a search for one of my favorite soups
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  Speaker 1: from last season because they did this whole whole like
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  Speaker 1: Tortilla Kelle soup, Thank You, TikTok has. TikTok has like
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  Speaker 1: soup talk weirdly where people just give you soup recipes
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  Speaker 1: as an entire three months of it, and I love
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  Speaker 1: it and it's glorious, and most of the are ridiculously
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  Speaker 1: complicated unnecessarily so like you have to make it, yourn,
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  Speaker 1: they try to make your own stock. And I'm like, y'all, not.
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  Speaker 2: That that's so funny, because a lot of soups are
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  Speaker 2: meant to be easy, that's simple.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm like, why are you doing this to me.
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  Speaker 1: But the kill tortilla soup, if you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it is delicious and hearty and I love it. But
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  Speaker 1: as I was hunting down the newer soup trends, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, let me see what else. Looking fine, let's
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  Speaker 1: see what's out there. I noticed a couple of articles
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  Speaker 1: that popped up at me, and they implied that if
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  Speaker 1: you eat soup any or partake in eating soup, you
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  Speaker 1: were feminine, a girl, and definitely you were not a man,
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  Speaker 1: not a real man. And I'm putting that in quotes
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  Speaker 1: and sarcastically. So somehow a delicious, brothy soup consumption, could
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  Speaker 1: it actually imply you were not manly enough. Maybe you're enough,
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  Speaker 1: but not manly enough.
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  Speaker 2: You Like, I get why we I mean I don't
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  Speaker 2: get it, but I kind of get it.
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  Speaker 1: Why we have to tender everything. I am like, this
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  Speaker 1: is odd, and this is also we don't talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: Actually we do bring it up in one small snippet
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  Speaker 1: in which a blogger talks about the fact that she
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  Speaker 1: is like, my husband's what I make and if it's soup,
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  Speaker 1: he gon't eat it. And it's kind of the same
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  Speaker 1: thing for me, Like when I do the cooking and
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  Speaker 1: I get excited about soup. My partner gets excited. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god. So and that's tortilla soup I was
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  Speaker 1: telling you about. I made it about three or four
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  Speaker 1: times last year. We love that soup in this house
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  Speaker 1: that is a gourmet mill. You're very welcome with all
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  Speaker 1: my prepackaged things that I added, except for the fresh kill.
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  Speaker 1: So now, for the most part, for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: just like you, Annie, and just like myself, we don't
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  Speaker 1: understand this concept. Like most people don't usually slander someone
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  Speaker 1: for eating soup. Now, unlike our beer versus cocktails, as
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  Speaker 1: we talked about previously, they will outright, like I've heard
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  Speaker 1: that so commonly said, like if you're drinking a fruity
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  Speaker 1: drink versus is an ipa, You're not mainly like the
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  Speaker 1: assumption is a man's ordering that bar right, But there
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  Speaker 1: are those with some really strong opinions on this matter,
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  Speaker 1: and it isn't really too surprising to see right wing people,
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  Speaker 1: right wing as a conservative have some of these opinions.
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  Speaker 1: During one commentary on Fox News, Jesse Waters made his
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  Speaker 1: opinion known by saying, quote, you know my rule about
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  Speaker 1: men eating soup in public? I don't think it's mainly
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  Speaker 1: and of course this was supposed to be a jab
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  Speaker 1: atman who eat either soup or of course, in this
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  Speaker 1: context is also ice cream again or both. Yes, this
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  Speaker 1: was a response to Biden loving ice cream and eating
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  Speaker 1: ice cream cone when he was kind of campaigning before
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  Speaker 1: he dropped out, and implications of course of licking ice
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  Speaker 1: cream cones, which, by the way, I was going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about this but then it kind of bypassed very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Was also a heated debate when two young women were
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  Speaker 1: highlighted during a baseball game by ESPN by the network
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  Speaker 1: for eating ice cream cones and all the nasty comments
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  Speaker 1: made by gross strangers on the internet, which caused a
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  Speaker 1: lot of backlash against ESPN for their usage of shots
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  Speaker 1: like this because it happened quite often, which again, this
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  Speaker 1: should be a whole episode, which I said, I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna do a quick one, but I'm like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: need to talk about this because there was an obvious intention.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't just this once, but this woman, actually this
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  Speaker 1: young woman came out and talked about it. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: why did you do this? There's so many other moments
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  Speaker 1: where we were really enjoying the actual game, but you
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  Speaker 1: had to turn it onto two young, blonde, attractive girls
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  Speaker 1: eating licking ice cream and making sure and the commentators
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  Speaker 1: did go, oh, well they're they're enjoying that something along
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  Speaker 1: those lines. But all of that to say is why
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  Speaker 1: does food bring out such weird odd reactions like eating
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  Speaker 1: something means you're not manly enough soup, or too sexy
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  Speaker 1: ice cream or not sexy enough like it? Like what
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  Speaker 1: what is happening? Like? I just why do we keep
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  Speaker 1: having this conversation around food?
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  Speaker 2: Well again, that could be a whole other episode. But
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  Speaker 2: the history of especially talking about women as if they
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  Speaker 2: are food to be consumed. Yeah, we have sexualized food
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, and we've definitely put baggage
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  Speaker 2: around things that are for weight loss therefore for women, right,
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  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff we've done, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like again we're not talking about this here,
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  Speaker 1: but I know women have actually told me or actually
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  Speaker 1: men too, actually they won't eat specific foods in public. Bananas,
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  Speaker 1: we know that, like and hot dogs even, Like all
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  Speaker 1: these connotations are like why can't you just let people
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  Speaker 1: like sustain their body, let them be what's wrong with you?
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, like that again a whole different conversation and
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  Speaker 1: coming back to it, podcaster are Caroline Benniwick's I'm so
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  Speaker 1: sorry if I said that wrong brought up the subject
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  Speaker 1: again with this quote. She said, men cannot eat soup.
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  Speaker 1: It's way too girly. You're going to take a little
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  Speaker 1: spoon and put it up to your lips and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to swallow a tiny little spoon. It's weird. It's wrong. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I think I believe I did read that this was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be satire. I think she was specifically targeting
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  Speaker 1: waters comments as he made gestures about a man handling
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  Speaker 1: a teaspoon and while he was talking about you know
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  Speaker 1: how I feel about men and spoons and then showing why.
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  Speaker 1: But then again, many do have this opinion that eating
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  Speaker 1: soup takes away one's man card again, non existent man card,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah suching, I I think I've ever heard anyone reference
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  Speaker 1: a woman's card.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think I have.
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  Speaker 1: That's never been a thing, but it's it's hilarious. And
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  Speaker 1: a while back, as we mentioned before, as in pre
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  Speaker 1: pandemic times, we did an episode on the stereotype of
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  Speaker 1: women choosing salads while my men eat burgers. And men
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  Speaker 1: drinking beer and all those stereotypes, so it shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: surprising that soup is somehow feminine. Again, I just thought
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  Speaker 1: it was a good course, like that is usually a preque.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever. And there are several blogs where they have
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  Speaker 1: the same conversation. In one blog by Katherine Mary Brady,
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  Speaker 1: she writes, my grandsons informed me that they don't like soup.
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  Speaker 1: My son in law doesn't either. They say that men
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  Speaker 1: don't eat soup. It's not a proper meal, and that
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  Speaker 1: has been an argument that's been made about different foods, salads,
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  Speaker 1: included about the fact that if it's not a proper meal,
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  Speaker 1: then it cannot be considered for men. Right, And that's again.
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  Speaker 1: There even was a book titled real Men Won't Eat Keeish.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've referenced that, right.
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  Speaker 2: I believe so and over on my other shows Savor,
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  Speaker 2: we did a whole episode on kish and there was
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  Speaker 2: a big section about this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was written I want to see in
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  Speaker 1: the eighties, so well, a long time ago, as I
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  Speaker 1: was born in the eighties. I say again about this
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  Speaker 1: type of conversation, which makes me super sad because they're
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  Speaker 1: missing out on such an eggy, delicious pie that is
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  Speaker 1: Savor eight that I usually eat with a salad. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe you know, according to all of the connotations that
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about, really girly. And again, seems this specific
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  Speaker 1: reason is a dividing gender line. In many households, families,
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  Speaker 1: partners debate whether soup is a meal in itself. Again,
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  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm all about having a melty,
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  Speaker 1: buttery grilled cheese with my creamy tomato soup from a can.
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  Speaker 1: But can one eat the soup without the added sandwich
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  Speaker 1: for a meal or does that make you a beta?
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  Speaker 1: I'm so confused why this is such a thing. One blogger,
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  Speaker 1: Emerson Harken writes about this said conflict, saying, in my household, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's a belief. Soup is a reoccurring source of conflict.
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  Speaker 1: From time to time, my partner Rachel will offer to
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  Speaker 1: cook dinner, only to serve soup instead. These incidents have
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  Speaker 1: sparked lively debates about the meaning of the word meal
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  Speaker 1: and sharing of domestic responsibilities. Are we really sharing cooking
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  Speaker 1: equally if one of us is serving water? The advice
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  Speaker 1: the friends and colleagues was of little help in our
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  Speaker 1: resolving our domestic strife. Many of the people in my
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  Speaker 1: day to day life, most of whom are men, shared
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  Speaker 1: by concerns about my partner's most leading mill related statements,
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  Speaker 1: while people my part a consultant, mainly women, also believe
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  Speaker 1: that the value of the meal is undiluted by literal dilution.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm uh.
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  Speaker 2: And they were so invested in this deception that they
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  Speaker 2: decided to do a survey about it. He continues. Quote.
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  Speaker 2: We carried out a gender based analysis of super related
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  Speaker 2: attitudes and beliefs using a short online survey. The survey
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  Speaker 2: consisted of a landing page asking can soup be a
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  Speaker 2: meal on its own? After which respondents were presented with
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  Speaker 2: examples of food which are often served in bowls and
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  Speaker 2: asked to classify them as soups or non soups.
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  Speaker 1: If y'all want to go look this up. Emerson Harken
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  Speaker 1: is the dude, and he has I think it's e
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  Speaker 1: Hearken is the blog. He has a whole graph He
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  Speaker 1: has like graphs upon graphs upon graphs, So he was
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  Speaker 1: really in this conversation. And here is their conclusion. Our
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  Speaker 1: preliminary gender based analysis suggests that women may be more
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  Speaker 1: likely to believe that soup is a mill than men,
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  Speaker 1: often borderline or trend level statistical significance. Deliberate attempts to
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  Speaker 1: influence the outcome of the study. About one of the authors,
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  Speaker 1: and the underrepresentation of men and our simple together means
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  Speaker 1: that our results should be interpreted with caution. Because the
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  Speaker 1: number of gender diverse respondents was very small, our work
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  Speaker 1: should be regarded as an incomplete gender based analysis at best.
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  Speaker 1: The stronger association between soup belief and gender than appetite,
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  Speaker 1: which is probably more closely linked with sex than gender,
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  Speaker 1: further underscores the importance of carrying out a more comprehensive
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  Speaker 1: gender based analysis than was possible here. So again, this
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  Speaker 1: is one of those other things that I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like maybe this is another episode where we talk
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  Speaker 1: about why the women are more likely to participate in surveys,
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  Speaker 1: because looking at this study, literally three awards of the
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  Speaker 1: participant who responded were women.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like probably Rachel influenced, I imagine, given
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  Speaker 2: the results.
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  Speaker 1: But is it also that she actually reached out to
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  Speaker 1: people and said take this quiz and he did not
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  Speaker 1: put that effort. That's true, Back to soup, Back to
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  Speaker 1: soup and some other people had done some research on
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  Speaker 1: their own, but this is more of a lunch base survey,
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  Speaker 1: which could be a better debate. I guess is soup
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  Speaker 1: better at lunch or dinner? Hello Olive Garden and the
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  Speaker 1: salad soup combo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a ree for that.
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  Speaker 1: I think I do too. I'm just too lazy to
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  Speaker 1: do it. But it's delicious anyway. But according to their research,
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  Speaker 1: women are two times as likely to order soup for
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  Speaker 1: lunch than men. Oh and just in case you need
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  Speaker 1: to know, National Homemade Soup Day is February fourth, so
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  Speaker 1: put that a new calendar. Okay. Also, any I would
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  Speaker 1: say that you are a soup canda sore. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think about all of this?
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  Speaker 2: It's bizarre to me, I mean, obviously, but given my
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  Speaker 2: own experiences. When you said this was a thing, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, really, because going back to the person in
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  Speaker 2: our life, and I think if you know, you know
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  Speaker 2: who it is who doesn't like soup. She asked me like, why,
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  Speaker 2: what are some of the reasons you like it? And
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  Speaker 2: I was saying, you know, it's really comforting and it's
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  Speaker 2: something that I feel easy to digest. But also it
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  Speaker 2: reminds me of my dad. My dad love soup. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any of this. We're a big soup family.
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  Speaker 2: Like my mom loves soup. Every time I go home,
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  Speaker 2: she's got a new soup she's made. She makes big
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  Speaker 2: batches and just freezes them and will just heat it
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  Speaker 2: up and it's really easy. But I would say the
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  Speaker 2: gender difference I noticed in my family is that my
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  Speaker 2: dad preferred kind of what I would call heavier soups
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  Speaker 2: with like usually beef and potatoes, stuff like that, but
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  Speaker 2: he ate all kinds of things, and my mom she
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  Speaker 2: preferred more like chicken and vegetables in her soup. I
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  Speaker 2: soup all the time, very happy.
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  Speaker 1: It's true, Like if she comes over to the house
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  Speaker 1: and I'm asking the pessa, She's like, I just need
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  Speaker 1: noodles and these things. And sometimes kill recipe that brings in.
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  Speaker 2: Famously in our friend group, I had that birthday that
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  Speaker 2: you were so kind to throw and it was a
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  Speaker 2: sad sack soup weekend.
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  Speaker 1: That was my birthday, and we had soup the entire
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  Speaker 1: time between I believe we may we bought we ordered
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  Speaker 1: fuck because that's something I cannot do.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Then we had ramens and then we have something else.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't need chicken and dumplings. That so chicken doubles
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  Speaker 1: because I have my sister has an amazing chicken and
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  Speaker 1: doubling's recipe and I love it. That is probably one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite meals period. Chickin and dublings is my
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  Speaker 1: favorite outside of like Kim Chia Kay. There's a few
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  Speaker 1: other like reminiscent, but chicken and doublings is my go to.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, like we had that as well as the
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  Speaker 1: fact that I have stacks of phone stuff with sacks
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  Speaker 1: upon noodles like Asian types of noodles in my house
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  Speaker 1: and I keep it on the regular.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the whole talk about being comforting, that
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  Speaker 1: is scientifically true, Like it is actually comforting to the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: point that they tested people's moods and how they would
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: react to like their own prejudices. So like they would
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: test people's prejudices before and after soup, and they would
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: be kinder because they were already like they were comforted,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: or they would be less stressed with after getting some soup.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So like this is a scientific thing. I didn't really
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: write that in here, and I think it's an amazing idea.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about the whole like medical level
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: of it. But yeah, like it really is true, like
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that level, and then there's such memories. Of course we're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: talking about that with food in general. Chain and dumplings
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: for me is one of those things too. But again,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of course, as we were mentioning, this could be a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: cultural thing. Perhaps many cultures eat soup all year round
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and whenever. Many eat soup for breakfast. Kan Geese, which
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: are savory rice porges, are often eaten in Asia for
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: breakfast as well as sicknesses, as well as delicious miso
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: soup that is considered a breakfast soup. Egg drop soup
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: there's a specific type in Korea that is often used.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Or there's a blueberry soup in Scandinavia which looks really interesting,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like the whole soup is like oh because apparently while
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: blueberries is like a whole season, and they have this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: whole thing and then they make this blueberry soup out
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of it, Like this is genius. Of course, savory dishes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I like this start the day, right, I think there's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: something to it. I know I've woken up many a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: couple of times and I've told you, like I'd have
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just had ramen for breakfast, and it's actually not a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: bad idea. I times, yeah, perfect, Maybe too much salt
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: for the ramen, but you know still yeah, yeah, yeah so,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: but even more so, many cultures eat soup whenever. Korean
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: stews or Jiga's are a staple that is used for
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: celebrations and luck. Seaweed soup for birthdays, but don't eat
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: it around exam times. It doesn't bring you luck. We know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: we have the whole like soup that I make for
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: lunar New Years that I have done for the past
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: couple of years. Of course, some may debate that stews
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and soups are different and constitute it as being more manly.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I guess less liquid means more testosterone. Yeah maybe, who knows.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I love a good stew, don't get me wrong. But
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the other question is chili a soup or a stew
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: or either?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Oh no, Well, in my personal opinion, it would be
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: its own things, own thing. Yeah, because I feel like
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a stew is like usually thicker, the broth isn't like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: its liquity. I feel like chili is within the family,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: but that's.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It's own thing. I have a feeling people have opinions,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: so I'm excited to you about this, And of course
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: why is it considered manly? Chilies are considered really mainly
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to the point that the contests that I've seen are
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: mainly men made up of men. Uh and like burly
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: men at that Yeah, chunky, chunky man. So according to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Scott Hutcheson, yes, it is mainly and he's possessed specifically this,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: like ribs and steak, chili is a dish safe enough
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: for even the manliest of men to prepare. Yeah, maybe
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it is the image of firefighters five alarm virsins the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: spicy heat of the dish. Or maybe is that making
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: chili like grilling, is a good excuse to drink beer.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Whatever the reason, a request for a pot of chili
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: can get many men into the kitchen. Oh. I think
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: he was trying to persuade men to do more cooking.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I know, but wow, come on.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But and then he added the recipe for one of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the worst types of chili in my opinion, and I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: hold strong for that because I think I got very loud.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Christina, the Cincinnati style chili. I'm sorry.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Cinnamon and nutmeg and chili is a travesty. The first
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: time I had it, I literally almost spit it out.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't try not to because someone made it for
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: me and it was a tradition for her family and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I was trying to be very very nice about it,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what is this. I think
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: her family is from Ohio, so this was the thing,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what did I just eat? And why?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That's funny because I feel like cinnamon. I don't know
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: about nutmeg, but cinnamon makes sense to me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: How dare you a lot of.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Like stuff like that puts cinnamon in it? Maybe not much, but.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of people love this type. And I know
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: this because it's also like they use spaghetti. They'll eat
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it with spaghetti. Oftentimes the sloppy Joe has cinnamon in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it too, which is why I despised it growing up.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I hated it growing up. I still do. I think
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things in that. I was like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I don't like this.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a tradition I can't remember if it's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Ohio listeners right in. We did a whole episode on it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: but there's a tradition of school lunches in Ohio, perhaps
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: serving cinnamon rolls with chili. Really, it's like a classic combination.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm horrified.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I can I could see it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I am horrified. I know. I feel like I've just
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: offended a lot of people because this is like a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: heatd take, not a heat of take, but like both
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of those can be a heat to take, like whether
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you like it or you don't, because people have a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: lot of strong opinions on this one. I've seen it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Like I said, when she made this for me, she
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: was kind of apologetic because she didn't know how react,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and I think she was trying to, Yes, this was
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a white woman welcome me to her culture with this,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and I just thought, there was like, what is what
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: is this? And I say, this is a person that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: does not like caned chili. I actually despise it. Also,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I only like it like homemade because there's just like,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, there's something about it that just I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: think that people few that way about a lot of things.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Canny anything, process, anything is a little different from your
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: homemade making yourself. And I of course also love to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: burn my face off. I love to sweat when I eat,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and so chili is no exception to that. And one
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: time I made it so hot. I pre like, profusely
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: apologize to both my partner and I think Annie you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: were there, I was like, oh god, I think I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: made a mistake.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I know I've had your chili and it was really good.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I was like, I added too many habitatuals
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: ay sorry, but all of that to say, yeah, I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: don't like it. If you want my opinion on Cincinnati style, yep,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's fine. And he's on your side.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I am not.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But again, there could be back to away from Cincinnata chili.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but there could be the idea that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: more meat, beans and spice equals mainly especially spicy and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the spici or the mainly or maybe it's the picture
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of rugged firefighters in the kitchen cooking chili that pushes
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the narrative even more because and y'all the amount of
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: times that I've seen firefighters come into the Kroger as
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a one giant unit to watch each each other's shop,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and my assumption instead of making chili. But I know
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: part of that is I'm sure someone's gonna yell at
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: me about this. Is. Part of that is because you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: making something big, a giant thing accessible quickly. Chilis is easy.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It is, so that's one of the reasons it's one
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of my favorites in the winter time, making my homemade chili,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: because you can make a lot very quickly. All you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: have to do is really chop up some vegetables, put
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: some cans the other and ym yum yum m hm.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You're welcome, and you can make it different. You can
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like my partner will go all out and put like
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: brisket and such, and I'm like, I don't have time
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for this, give me ground meat. I one time put
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like jumbalaya sausage in it made it nice and smoky,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but that texture did not.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't have the texture that pexture can.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, all that to say is yes, maybe
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that's why it's all mainly and that's a good specifically
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: two firefighters like that. That reason makes says, I can't
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: make a tin course mal for a squadron when they're
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: on uh ready on call at all times. So that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: could be that. But for some reason that narrative is
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: enough to make it manly. Who knows. But back to cultures,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: who would say that soups are nourishing, Yes, it seems
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: when it comes to soups that aren't thought of as
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: American are more likely to be treated as a legitimate
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: genderless dish, such as fua and ramen. Again, this could
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: be the argument that the spicier it is, the manlier
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it is. Because I love me some good spicy ramen,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I go like, alter heat five if I can, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: then like like, it's not drippling if you eat ramen,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But this could be a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: whole other conversation about appropriating versus appreciating with other cultural
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: culinary dishes. By the way, side note, did you know
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: there was a white couple who ran a white couple
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: who ran a fuss shop in the UK who trademarked
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the word phuh so that no other competitor could use
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that word in their shops.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, by the way, they received a lot of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: backlash for that. Also, now there's a recent trend of
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: white French Canadian couple who was selling boba and then
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: when they were asked about like, how are you you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: different from the boba that is in Asian shops, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they are like, well, you know, first of all, boba
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: should is not ethnic anymore. And you don't know what's
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in those types of boba because you know Asian people,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: but in ours it's clean and healthy, and they were like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: what the needless to say, They got a lot of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: backlash as well, because they were like, you can't, you
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: can't do that. You can you can make it something
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and you can say that you like this, and so
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: therefore you wanted to jump on board, but you can't
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: pretend like you're dismissing all the others and yours is
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: better somehow, But that's what happened. Who knows. I'm wondering
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: with all of that, because white people have kind of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: come on board with all of this, has it become
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: more acceptable because more people white people like it that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: whole level.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think I was talking to you about this.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people who don't have
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of experience with things like fu or ramen
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: would call it soup. I don't think we really call
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it soup really, or especially ramen fu. Maybe yeah, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I think people think of it more as noodles, but
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: not pasta. Because I have a friend, so she doesn't
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: like pasta, but she loves ramen. And my mind was
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: breaking about it, and I was like, Okay, So I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: think maybe there's also.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Especially so me, it disconnects with that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that for some people they wouldn't
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: consider some of this soup even though it is Yeah, yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe because but the thing is like, for
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of Korean dishes where you have
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like the lovely broth with the handpuld noodles. The broth though,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is what makes the taste. Yeah, they want you to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have good noodles, and they want it to be good noodles,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: but they're focusing on that broth. Yeah, definitely interesting. Anyway,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: back to soups in the US. So these soup companies
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: have been on a high alert of this gendered problem,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and thanks to their marketing team, they've had some ideas.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: In the nineteen forties, they went on to post ads
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: with cartoon drawings of women in aprons and Annie, I've
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: got the link if you want to go look at
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: this women in aprons surrounding a sign that says quote
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: for men only, with a caption he man is the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: world for these hearty suits, But ladies you'll like them too.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Oh great, and.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Y'all and yes, all, y'all they had he Man soup ads,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: which classifies split pea soup as part of that group.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I think I want to do an episode of a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: split pea soup over on Savor because I think split
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: pea soup had a whole thing. Does it got associated
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: with like fine dining and stuff?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I did, so like just a little bit that I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: read like split pea soup, the way that it had
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: like built up. It was absolutely originally a poor person
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: soup because peas were easy. There's a whole rhyme. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: didn't put it in here. There's a rhyme they have
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in regards to peas and and the soup and making
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: them into soup. And then it got taken over and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: it became fine dining somehow, which is really odd to me.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I hate peace. I mean I need a lot of things.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it seems just not me.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Okay. But anyway, back to Campbell's and all of this
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: marketing that was going on around soups and making it masculine. Yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Campbell's had the Chunky brand, which I remember still around
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: that have football players on the branding, so just so
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you know, it's very masculine, and it did work. But
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: with a twists. It's just like moms. It's just like
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: mom used to make well that kind of home style. Yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: here's some information from FastCompany dot com. Quote the beauty
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of the chunky marketing campaign is twofold. It is both
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a serious appeal to manliness and a self deprecating look
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: at the absurdities of marketing. We're talking about soup here.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Nothing that you eat with the spoon is ever in
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: danger of seeming stereotypically macho, unless it's motor oil. The
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: ads are aware of their own silliness, which leaves viewers
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that much more vulnerable to the real and ridiculous message
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that soup is a manly food. The ads also cast
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: a massive net of appeal by telling consumers that all
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you have to do is love your mom, and that
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: makes you at Campbell's chunky kind of guy. Is it silly, yes?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But is it also brilliant? Absolutely? I mean, I love
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: my mom, don't you. Let's celebrate by eating some broccoli
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and cheddar.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the message is, yes, men can eat soup,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: but as long as you can contribute this to your mother,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: right your mom. Now. These as debuted in the like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: late nineties, which is why you don't remember it any
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and continued on during the early two thousands. But they're back,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they're back at it, and it is a bit of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: them kind of a balance. I guess you have what
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you may consider what many would consider green flag dudes.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: He's a good dude who isn't a sexist as far
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: as we know, seemingly caring guy who has who shows
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: some emotions type of thing. Then they're the ones that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: advertising this. So we have Jason Kelcey lying on a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: bear rug making soup still mainly but now sexy. Yeah, sure,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: or perhaps it's supposed to be approachable unless Mama's boy.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It's abatable, abatable. I think Travis Kelsey was also involved,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: but his commercial was a little different. But it definitely
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: is that lie like and this is recent twenty twenty four,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like this just happened now. Maybe the classification of soups
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: being feminine has something to do with is level of
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: implications of social class and social status. Also, so soup's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: origins can be dated back to the idea of eating
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: vegetables dipped in broth, as a lot of people could
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the four meat. So we have old tails such as
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the stone soup, which tells the story of a village
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: coming together to make a delicious soup with their meager
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: ingredients that they didn't want to share at first. They're
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: trying to hoard and pretend like they didn't have anything
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: made by a hungry traveler. It could also be the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: fact that they used to take hot stones. I believe
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: ancient Asia used to take hot stones and put it
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: in water in order to boil it, so that could
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: be that stone soup conversation too. But this isn't again,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: this isn't so far off. Many creations of soup came
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: from what they had left over. That's where it begins.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: When it comes to making stocks and broth, it is
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: literally using leftover parts and ingredients. We know those. It
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: looks like trash. Like when I saw someone for the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: first time making actual stock, was like, what the hell
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you do? And then it turned out they were making
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: really delicious stock. As a writer of all Things Sicilian
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: andmore dot com rights, soups were made with what was
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: once considered the poorest of ingredients. Then they say something
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in Italian. I'm going to translate it to English because
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I can't say it in Italian. Making something out of
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: nothing yeah, And when do you think of like gel
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: gelatin that's often in soups.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: It's bones, It's just boiled bones.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Here's some more detail of soup's origins from hotmixedpro dot
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: com quote the soup is the food of the working class.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Is origin dates back so many years ago, when poor
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: peasants could only afford some vegetables dipped in a broth.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: To better understand the origin of this food, we have
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to start from the name. The soup comes from the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Gothic word supa, which means slice of soaked bread. In fact,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: rich lords often ate meat or other foods over thick
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: slices of bread in the Middle Ages, which effectively replaced
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the dishes at the end of the meal. The pieces
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of bread left by the rich people were donated to
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the servants who cooked them with the other vegetables and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: pots full of water.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Right, which I find fascinating. Maybe that's why, like, really
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: nice cuts of meat from barbecue places are on top
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of whitebread. I thought that was a Southern tradition, maybe
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: super rooted. Who knows. So perhaps these original connotations are
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: part of this feminization of soups. To be successful, to
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: be manly, all those things kind of jot together, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: so therefore you can't be eating soup. Come on, man,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you gotta be an alpha. Or perhaps it's how soups
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: became a whole diet trend. Now we're not gonna get
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: too too deep in this, obviously, but yeah, which brands
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: fell for like they loved this idea and really really
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: tagged onto it. To the fact that if you go
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and look at the different types of soups and brands
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: in the grocery stores, you will see these low calories,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: low sodium. Low sodium is great, that is actually really great,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but all these low calorie things that they have marketed
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: for people who are on soup diets. But the cabbage
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: soup diet is probably one of the best known soup
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: diets in the US. And I can't lie I participated,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: but honestly, I just really love cabbage. I love cabbage.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: My mom used to boil cabbage as a side dish,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and I loved that so much to the point that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I would eat it like soup. I would just add
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: tons of pepper and go to town. Yeah. So I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: love cabbage and soup, so I would eat it with quinoa.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite combos. But yeah, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was always hungry afterwards and fairly gassy, like I was
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: not feeling too good. So according to Wikipedia, the originations
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: may date back to the nineteen fifties and became super
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: popular in the nineties. Yeah, my partner actually talks about
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: how like he hates because I talked about making cabbage
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: soup or like during the winter time because I just
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: love it, and he was like ough. He would tell
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: me stories repeatedly every time I mentioned cabbage soup about
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: his old babysitters who that's all she ate And he
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: hated it. He hated the smell of it, he hated
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: everything about it. I guess he really did not like
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: his babysitter. I don't know what. I don't know, Oh dear,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's just like, why do you have to eat
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this cause Lily maybe she was super gassy too, Who knows. Anyway.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, it doesn't work. You may lose a bit
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: of weight, and unless you make this the only food
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: you eat for the entirety of your life, you will
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: quickly gain it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Back the way generally with the diets. That's how it
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: goes exactly. Here's some information from Healthline dot com quote.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Unless you have a more sustainable diet to transition to,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you'll likely regain any weight you lose on the diet. Furthermore,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: studies suggests that when you greatly restrict calorie intake or
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: lose a sustainable amount of weight quickly, there's a reduction
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: in your metabolic rate. This means that your body begins
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to burn fewer calories per day than it did before.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: As a result, after going off the diet, your lowered
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: metabolism may make it harder to maintain your weight loss. Additionally,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: as soup diets like the Cabbage Soup Diet and Sacred
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Heart diet are quite restrictive in the types and amounts
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: of foods allowed, there's a concern for new deficiencies. While
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: eating a restricted diet for just five to ten days
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: is unlikely to result in serious nutrient deficiencies, especially if
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: taking a multi vitamin, significantly reducing calorie intake can lead
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to side effects such as dizziness, weakness, or fatigue.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Right, and unfortunately the diet has come back round, But
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it's now called souping, and he's called souping. Who thinks
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of these? Who does this? Who's doing this?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Philly.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: This is a millennial trying to be on track against
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, article after article for women's magazines have popped
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: up with the newest diet trend of souping. Now it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: not all bad again, eating soup is fantastic. The amount
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: of health benefits and nutritional values is pretty high. Veggies
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: for everyone, Yeah, everybody eat veggies. But as it continues
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to be marketed and targeted to women as weight loss solutions,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we can see that the gender line of soup consumption
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: is more visible. So obviously we're making this a fad
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: for women that again, like all I saw was like
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Glamor magazine has something in it, Women's Day magazine has
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: like what what is going on? It does? It makes
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it feel like, okay, soup is for diets. Yeah, but
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: back to the souping. Apparently it is thought of more
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: as a cleanse rather than a consistent diet. So you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: can do like the cabbage diet for two weeks as
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: a as a kickstarter, which by the way, there's no
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: actual benefits to that. That's not a thing scientifically, it's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: not a thing. No, But adding soup to your meal
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: in order to feel more full and eating less and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: helping to eat more fiber. So that's kind of the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: new souping idea is to add it to meals, which
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like is just okay, moving on, that's kind
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of hoole Like people talk about drinking a glass of water. Yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: you're gonna fel full, but you're gonna want Okay whatever.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Soup probably is better if you have a lot of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: vegetables in it and it's delicious and you're like, yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: let me eat this. Maybe it does and then you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: get also have your you know, fried chicken to the side.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I love brit chicken. Yeah. So the New York Post
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: recently wrote an article about this fat and here's what
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: they said. Souping, often seen as a method for clean
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: eating and weight lass, involves adhering to a diet consisting
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: exclusively of a vegetable soups for set duration, typically seven days.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Kelsey Costa, a nutrition consultant for diabetes strong ink toll Parade.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: So this was like article in an article In essence,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: souping is the soup version of a juice cleanse. So
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: she goes on to also say the same things that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: we just said, They're not wonderful, be careful, don't do this.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: If you're doing these things, be highly aware of what
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you're putting into your body and realize if you're still hungry,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it's probably not effective. Just great. So they also advised,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: like other professionals said, this is not a long term thing,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: meaning yes, less than two weeks at a time. But
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you know what, we do know that soups can be
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: really good for you. So in fact, in fact, we
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: know that when it comes to illnesses like coals or
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: just tummy aches had we always turn to some soup.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I do. I'm like, yeah, give me, give me some soup.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Apparently it was even prescribed as medication in the twelfth
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: century for respiratory tract issues. And guess what, it actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: can be beneficial for culls, according to doctors and researchers.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Here's some information from Pennmedicine dot org. Quote research by
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Ken Albala, a food historian at the University of the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Pacific in California, published research in the journal Studies in
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: History and Philosophy of Science Part C Studies in History
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences suggest that eating
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: soup while you are ill comes from common knowledge and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: an informal intuition. Albala says soup is often the go
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: to food because it can be quote nourishing, restorative, easy
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to digest, and interestingly liked in both consistency and color,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: so as not to tax the system excessively. The same
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: recommendation is advised by Melissa Bailey RD, a clinical dietitian
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Bailey believes
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: there is no one size fits all approach to diet.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It says that there is real scientific evidence backing the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: merits of soup, especially for those with a cold.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Right, So this is the article that I'm talking about
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in which they kind of go into the comforting level,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: like it actually does change your mood, It does actually
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: help you feel a little better. It kind of that
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: warmth that goes down your throat, does ease your sore throats,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. So they're definitely like great truths behind
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: why soups can be really good for you and amazing
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and perhaps the soup being too nutritious or being associated
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: with sickness and pampering makes it a girly food as well,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like again that whole like Mom gave me soup as
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a child, When I was sick or when I felt weak,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: my partner gave me soup. Maybe that's what makes it feminine,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Like you know, it's kind of that whole reach the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: unconscious bias for some reason that you associated with weakness,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: so therefore it has to be feminine. I don't know.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm reaching for that, but I don't know if
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this correlations have anything to do with it. Yes, you
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: can only eat soup if you're sick, dieting, or you're
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a girl. The one article was titled these foods will
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: make You gay, and they were talking about soup, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that's an article about water, saying you know you're not
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: manly if you eat soup. So his implication was like that,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you know you're gay if you eat soup. Obviously, unless
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: there's stews or chilies any only chilies. But all that
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to say, I think soups are delicious. I'll come back
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: to let you know if I think chilies are soups
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: or stews. I haven't really thought about this. I will
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: ponder this. I think they are creative and wonderfully diverse.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I want some right now. I'm kidding kind of hungry,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: So there you go. Let me know, do you think
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: soup is feminine?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Better?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yet?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Do you have souper recipes?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I love good recipe, easy easy, peace y'all. But we
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: didn't talk about the history of soup because we're not safer.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: But they did talk about the whole like popcn and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: how that really revolutionized soups as well, So maybe it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: being easy. I think this conversation about like h the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: dude talking about how his wife made soup, I didn't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: read whether it was homemade soup or she just popped
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the can, and that's why he's implying that, you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: this is cheating and it's not a full meal because
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it's not homemade quote unquote.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: That well, there's also like separately, I think a lot
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of people in the US associate soups with an appetizer,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: therefore it's not a whole meal. But I think you
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: couldn't have it for the whole meal. But also the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: history of soup making often required in the early early
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: days women to stay by the fire or whatever heat
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: source so it wouldn't go out. So I think it
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: probably got associated with women that way, and then men
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: and whiches and then men. There's a long history of
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: men in the West, particularly, I'll say of they are
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the ones that bring home the meat. They're the domain
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of meat. So if soup doesn't have like meat in it,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: then not not mainly. No, Well there's a lot to
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: un back here, clearly, clearly, So listeners, if you have
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: any thoughts or recipes, please let us know. We eat
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: soup all the time. We're year round people, so yeah, yeah,
• 46:42
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• 46:55
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• 46:57
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• 46:58
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