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Flower of Evil | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 29 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica. And this is a TC presents de
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  Vaca Rambles. We're a couple of friends review
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  could Korean dramas not code her dramas.
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  And I have a repeat guest with me today, I have Caitlyn From at
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  note sleep. No sleep for dramas.
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  I am very tongue-tied tonight, but Caitlin, I hope you are not
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  and thank you so much for returning on this podcast for
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  this chaotic Rambles another one.
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  How are you? How you been?
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  I'm good, I'm good. I'm excited to talk about this.
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  No kidding, bro. So Caitlin was so gracious
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  enough to join me on the something in the rain review.
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  So if you want to go back, scroll back in your podcast feed
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  and listen to it. You can Caitlin was really
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  wonderful, and a lot of people had stuff to say about the
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  something in the Rain episode, it's very contentious and we
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  really did a deep dive on that. People really appreciated, all
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  the things that we talked about, including your introduction into
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  kdramas, Has and what you really like the genres that you
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  gravitate towards and kdrama and when you said you like the
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  criminal dramas at you, love the law dramas and the procedurals.
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  I was like oh good note it and I had that in the back of my head
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  and then when I was picking the drama's for season 3, I was
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  like, oh my God, I need Caitlin back for flower of evil and
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  we're back. We're doing it.
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  It's happening. I'm excited.
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  I'm excited. I'm excited.
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  Curtis, Janet, Robin and bail. You guys are great.
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  All right, we're going to get into it.
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  I'm going to read the Asian Wiki synopsis, and then we're going
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  to get me just really quickly. If you guys don't follow this on
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  Tick-Tock, it should, it's hilarious.
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  Just so, you know. Okay.
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  So, yeah, I love your tick. Tock tick, The Tick Tock account
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  for ATC devic. Is a mess like a true mess and I
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  do my beautiful mess though. Okay.
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  Thanks. It's always entertaining.
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  I am so glad you find it entertaining.
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  I kind of just do the videos like, well, if I was someone who
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  liked kdramas and this was going to pop up in my feed, what would
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  I like to see? And it's like, I'd like to see
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  an idiot making fun of kdramas and the whole experience.
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  And I'd like to see some XYZ. I just do that and I hope that
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  people are happy with it, and I'm so glad that you are happy
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  with it and that I'm entertaining you Caitlin.
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  I It's very entertaining. Yeah, same account.
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  Like I said, ATC Dev occupied, you can find us on Twitter,
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  really me on Twitter, Rico doesn't have anything to do with
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  the socials, but I just kind of make it seem like he's there.
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  I feel rat really bad. But he's like, you take it, you
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  run in, however, you want to run it and I was like, got you.
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  Okay, that being said we're gonna get into it now.
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  Flower of evil, Asian Wiki, synopsis reads, Ted E1 is a
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  detective. She is married to beckysan, and
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  they have a daughter. Becky song.
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  Seems like a committed husband and father, but he hides his
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  cruel past and lives under another person's identity.
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  He deceives his wife completely taji one learns of his deception
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  and chases his past. I got to be honest, I almost
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  never use the Asian Wiki synopsis because of this exact
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  reason because as like weirdly written and it's like leaves off
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  on such a weird note as well like And she chases his past
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  that's like a gross understatement but okay.
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  Alright flowers of evil aired originally from July to
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  September 20, 20, it is 16 episodes long and it's directed
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  by Kim. Taek, you who won best director
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  for flower of evil at the 57th Beck song Awards, which is
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  something of note that the director won for best director.
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  He's done, celebrity from Netflix and 2022.
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  I don't know, I don't know. Let's come out yet, or if it's
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  been canceled or what have you, I don't I haven't heard anything
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  about celebrity, but he also directed mother from 2018,
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  Chicago Typewriter from 2017 and Emergency Couple from 2014,
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  which is like a rom-com kind of deal.
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  I vividly, remember watching Emergency Couple and I still
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  have mother and Chicago Typewriter on my, you know,
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  endless kdrama q that I have to get through at some point flower
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  of Evil was written by you junge and she's only written two.
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  Dramas, it's this one and naked fireman from 2017.
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  I don't know if you've ever even heard a very it's like a
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  four-episode. Drama, it's entertaining.
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  It's a little different but it's entertaining, little, okay.
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  And flowers of evil Stars, basically two people each and
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  ghee as Becky song and he I mean word, don't you know him from?
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  Um I guess I read the first thing that I saw him in was my
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  girl from 05? Did you ever get around to see
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  my girl? My girl, no, but I've definitely
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  heard of it. Okay.
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  Yeah, he's the second lead in that I Starting in Oldham a
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  from. Oh wait, that's a.
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  No, wait drama. And that was, I couldn't get
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  into that one. So I dropped it.
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  I done in the magistrate, I watched scholar who walks
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  tonight's another historical, and then I think everyone kind
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  of lost her shit with this one. Moon lovers Scarlet have Rio
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  from 2016. The year of Our Lord took 16.
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  You have never watched it, really.
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  Okay. Look, I avoid sad, dramas.
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  I got spoiled heavily on this. I'm like, I'm never ever going
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  to watch this drive. Oh my God Caitlin.
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  So I watch this as it was earring and I gotta say this was
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  like the fever pitch 2016 was full of fever pitch, dramas,
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  where it was like, oh my God. What are we gonna do?
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  I need to watch this as soon as it comes out.
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  I have no. Choice is also this drama also
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  aired in the time period that I had no access to dramas.
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  So, like by the time I gained access again, it had already
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  finished airing and like I was spoiled heavily, whatever.
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  So, I just was like I'm not I'm not even going to try and wait.
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  Yeah I would say that was I mean with the death of DramaFever you
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  can't really find it anywhere. Anyway, that's gonna say that
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  DramaFever was the platform that I watched it on and DramaFever
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  died, not long after that. So, yeah, moon lovers was a
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  casualty. No one can find moon lovers
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  anywhere nowadays. As soon as it comes back on
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  streaming, the people are going to freak out because I think The
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  people who have heard of it and the hype of it is unreal at this
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  point. It's legendary.
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  I'm really curious to watch this Chinese drama.
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  It's based on two. I've never, I've never watched
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  it, but Vicky has it. And I'm really more Curious to
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  check that one out. Just to see if you know what I
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  never press play on that. This is a huge segue, because as
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  soon as we hit Moonlight, I know that's possible.
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  So I really want to watch that one too.
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  The original Scarlet, heart, but as soon as I saw the thumbnail
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  and it had, That time in Chinese history where they were like,
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  shaving their heads right out and they had the long braids and
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  I was like, I don't think I can swing that.
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  I literally was like, I don't know if I can swing that.
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  Just saw some people can't swing the sagas with like the buns and
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  the hanbok goes up. I look at that and I was like
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  people. Some people do not like watching
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  dramas from that era. Like, yeah, I've met other
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  people who are the same way, they cannot.
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  Yeah, for some reason they just cannot watch dramas that are
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  made from that era, right? Then, that's okay.
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  I mean not. Hurry, dramas made for
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  everybody. I agree.
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  I it's a little surprising to me because it took after a couple
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  of them I was like this is great.
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  I'm like I really like the science historical dramas, but
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  that specific era of see drama stuff.
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  Like, historicals, I couldn't, I could never press play on those.
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  I think I watch one and I was like this was a lot higher like
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  anyway so that's why I've never watched the original Scarlet.
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  Heart. Although I really want to
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  anyway, um, a junge is I want to stay like a sex god.
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  I don't know how you feel about you junkie, but I think, as soon
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  as moon lovers it like that, was it.
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  That's all he can be known for is just like he's it's even the
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  guy from lovers or he's just as beautiful man Agency, like, on
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  another level. So, there's that the most recent
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  thing that he was in was a Again, my life and this year
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  2022, which I never washed, and then he was also pretty good.
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  Okay, okay, I mean, we all know Lee Jun.
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  Jie is known for his fighting, he's very good at fighting.
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  So a lot of his dramas, especially the modern ones has
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  to do like, incorporates the fighting into it.
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  And again, my life was that same pattern like he it was he was
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  fighting against corrupt. Bent and using his fighting
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  skills to get through gangsters and all that stuff and it was
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  good but the ending in my opinion, could have been better
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  like it wasn't. It kind of was a cop-out in my
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  opinion by the end, like because it was clearly setting up for a
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  season 2, if it wanted to do one.
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  So it wasn't bad, it was definitely entertaining.
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  It just in my opinion, could have been better.
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  Gotcha, I actually saw him if I can remember the movie.
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  I think the first time I saw him was in a movie, ah, the King and
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  the clown, the glitches extreme. Like it's his, it's kind of the
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  movie that put On the map. Hmm.
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  It was it's from like 2005. I want to say if I could
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  remember. Yeah, 2005.
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  According to my drama list, I did not watch it in 2005.
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  I was not watching dramas at that time but I watched it like
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  2012-2013. Hmm.
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  Okay. And I like it is very, oh God,
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  there's a reason why he got noticed in that trauma.
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  Um, it's very well, it's a good movie.
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  But yeah, that's kind of the movie that everybody says put
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  him on the map. And then, damn, I've followed
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  his career from there. I definitely have not seen
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  everything of his though. Yeah, neither have I for sure.
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  Use in Lawless lawyer, in 2018. I think.
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  I think that one got some buzz and I'd never heard that he was
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  in this book, Criminal Minds from 2017.
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  I don't know what I I wanted to watch that again.
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  It was one that I didn't gain access to until much later
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  actually Luce. Move move.
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  Oh my God. Yes.
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  For her her first name until one Moon chaewon.
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  Yes, was in that. Yeah, yeah.
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  They started to get like, cuz flower evil was the second.
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  Yes, together. But yeah, I mean I love the
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  American Criminal Minds, so I was very curious to see how this
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  was. I did not watch it, I still have
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  not watched it. Okay?
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  Fair because I heard it was like, it wasn't in terms of the
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  acting, it was good, but like the story was not that good.
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  Okay, well, that's, I don't know if that's something that this
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  flower evil has in common. But okay, it's called stop.
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  Evil is Montero one like we just mentioned.
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  She plays child, T1, and she's been in about 5 movies,
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  including mood of the day from 2016 which I really enjoyed and
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  War of the arrows, which I still have on my watch list.
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  I have wanted to watch War of the arrows forever.
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  I don't know why I haven't pressed play, but here we are,
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  20 6:40, watch War theater, the arrows.
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  She's been in quite a bit of TV. I watched her first and I
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  remember her in this, she was in brilliant. she from 09, And
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  that's with a hundred year and Eastern ghee.
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  You know, you think he's currently in law Cafe.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's brilliant Legacy.
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  She was in my fair lady princesses man, which is one of
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  the best historical Daniel that show by a different name.
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  Okay. I'm really in like it's it,
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  what? It must be.
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  Um, it's like shining inheritance shining under I have
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  not watched that but that's that's the title.
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  I know that. Okay.
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  Okay. I was like, what is that truck?
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  Yeah, it's also yes right. Sheraton.
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  So I highly recommend shining inheritance /, brilliant Legacy
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  from 09. I highly recommend the
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  princess's man from 2011 which is one of the best songs I've
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  ever watched in my life. I've watched it twice so good.
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  She was an innocent man from 2012 with eg e junkie.
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  I think. And that one was, I mean, wild
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  good doctor from 2013, like we said, Criminal Minds from 2017.
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  And she was in Mama Ferry and The Woodcutter from 2018.
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  I feel like I heard of that one, but I never got around to
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  watching. Mama Ferry was an interesting
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  drama. Really innocent man was the one
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  with song Joong Ki that? Yes, yeah, that was that one.
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  That was my first drama with her.
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  Okay, okay. I actually want to re-watch that
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  some point because I don't remember a lot of it.
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  I don't remember, I just remember being a really
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  dramatic, you know what I'm saying?
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  Yes, I remember it being very dramatic.
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  Actually, remember some of the dramatic scenes but overall I
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  do, Remember a lot of it. Yeah, but the one that I really
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  like I did watch Moon, Mama fairy.
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  Okay, I also watched a good doctor.
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  So like the innocent man was my first one to go doctor.
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  I watched and then I watch Mama fairy.
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  But I primarily watch Mama fairy for the to other stars.
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  It is okay. Like I like I like her a lot but
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  I like the male leads but the funny thing is, is like they
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  have worked together before this drama.
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  So this was like, or either that or like, They were did another
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  drama after that? I don't know.
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  These leads have worked together as two male leads in multiple
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  dramas together. Oh, but what was interesting
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  about that one is you didn't know who she would end up with
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  and they kind of did a Twist on it, which was entertaining.
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  And I lights because I was rooting for the ones you chose.
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  So I was very, I was very yes. Yes, I got him type of thing.
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  Yeah, it was eccentric. It was out there.
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  It was a little like weird but it was entertaining.
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  It was fine. Got you?
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  I don't know if I'll ever watch it to be quite honest with you,
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  I think I'd rather water has a tiger in it.
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  Well await a real tiger or a CGI tiger.
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  It has like a CGI tiger and modern soul in multiples.
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  I that's not selling it for me. I would rather you tell me like
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  there was a really controversial real tiger in it.
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  I'll be like, hell yeah, I'm gonna watch them so fast.
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  No. The one of the male leads rides
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  the tiger when he's drunk. See that's the idea, say lest
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  they laugh Caitlyn? That's how I said trick.
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  This drama was like was addressing.
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  Okay, so we're on the other side of their filmography Caitlin.
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  I will tell you that I'm gonna have to lean on you a lot for
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  this for this review because I watched this a bit like
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  completely out of order. What happened was almost, I want
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  to say maybe eight months ago, maybe even 9 months ago, I
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  started watching flower view people with the intention of
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  watching it for the podcast, for season 2 of the podcast, not
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  season 3. So I was watching a long time
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  ago, I got to like episode a ten or eleven around there.
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  Well, I'm almost finished the show, very close to finishing,
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  right? And then I realized, oh, like
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  Rico, can do season 2. So, like, what am I going to do?
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  I should like, Arrange this and pick like slightly different
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  dramas and like, figure out a new thing.
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  And I dropped the flower of evil like nine months ago at episode
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  10 or 11, I hadn't taken any notes on it.
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  Whatsoever did not know like what I was happening in the
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  show. So when I have picked it up
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  again this week, I picked it up again.
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  And I was like, oh yeah, I'll just go back to like where I was
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  in the show. Yeah, that's not possible.
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  Not possible. I literally started the episode
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  around like episode 9 or 10. I was like, let me just go back
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  one episode or so, I was like, I can't do this, I gotta go back a
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  further episode, so I started episode 8, halfway through the
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  show and I was still lost 62 lat.
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  So I had to go to drama beans and read what I had missed.
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  I was taking notes and it was taking me so long to read this
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  adoptees because I was lacking so much comprehension.
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  I was like, who are these characters?
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  There's I didn't have like a frame of reference for like,
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  what they were doing and then I was like oh whatever.
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  Right? That's what happened.
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  So then I would click and I'll move on to the next episode
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  synopsis and it went like that 411 synopses.
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  And then I picked up where I left off in the show and let me
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  tell you, I will never be doing that again.
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  It's a zero out of ten. Would I recommend doing that?
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  I have such a bad memory. I can't do that for dramas.
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  It's just such a disservice. So that's why I say I'm going to
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  be leading Come on you lot because you love to show and you
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  can Bridge some gaps. I think because I might come in
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  a little hotter than I even I anticipated so Caitlin.
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  Why don't you and I watch this as an aired so I was watching
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  it. Yeah in 2020.
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  So tell me what you thought of flowers of evil I loved it
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  overall. I would do have some qualms with
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  the last episode like 15 going into 16 and I remember being
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  somewhat more irked with the decisions made in both those
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  episodes versus like the K3. Because I remember like texting
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  Jen from the K3 which is the YouTube channel that I also
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  write for. Yeah, it was like why the heck
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  did they do this? It's episode 16, and she's like,
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  I'm I love it. I'm like okay but like by the
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  end of episode 16, I appreciated the decisions made but at the
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  beginning I was like, why why do this, why?
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  But I loved it. I liked the flow.
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  I liked how Like the secrets how they were revealed, I liked how
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  like you as an audience member, you didn't really understand
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  what was going on. Because, I mean, I personally
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  like when crime dramas aren't like, are unpredictable.
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  Hmm, like me as an audience member can't figure out the the
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  murderer, or, right, solve the crime before the characters are
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  because that has happened to me, where I know who it is, like
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  episode 8 of 16. And then, The Borg and like
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  yelling at the cops on screen saying it's him or like test
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  this thing. Like this will give you the clue
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  blah blah blah, blah blah. So I appreciate when dramas are
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  unpredictable and this one definitely was nice.
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  Yeah, very, very nice. I agree to a certain extent.
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  I think that when I was first watching flower of evil, Omen a
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  dredge up my original feelings, it was like, very easy watch for
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  me, which, I guess why I never took us.
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  Angle note, knock originally watch jail.
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  Like I yeah, I don't need to take notes on this.
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  Um, I think I was kind of a not upset, but just there was a
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  reveal that happened kind of early on about a character and
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  then you're just kind of floating along, like okay, they
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  made this repo real early and there's less steaks.
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  All of a sudden. I think the show was still
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  operating under the assumption that they had Stakes high stakes
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  were happening. And I was like, no, I'm really
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  feeling high stakes and I feel bad and saying that because
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  towards the end of the show, they gain the stakes back.
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  And you start feeling that unpredictability that chaos that
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  you were praising, you were like, oh yeah, I don't want to
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  know like what's going to happen next.
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  I want to be kept on my toes and I agree with you especially for
• 21:31
  this kind of drama where it's a criminal drama.
• 21:35
  I right was very taken aback. By the approaching, the final
• 21:41
  episodes the final episode you could say.
• 21:46
  And I was like, oh, this He's very 2005.
• 21:50
  Oh yeah. And the funny thing is, I'm
• 21:52
  usually a fan of that type of Trope.
• 21:56
  Ryos like I love that Trope you do but I do.
• 22:00
  I love it. We can do that.
• 22:01
  We can talk about later and spoilers.
• 22:03
  I'm just a sucker for that. Type of Trope.
• 22:05
  I'm a sucker for it. That's why I love mock drugs but
• 22:09
  all, that's all. I did not like it here when it
• 22:14
  first happened because I thought it was a cop-out in this
• 22:17
  specific instance. I thought they used it as a
• 22:19
  cop-out. Yeah.
• 22:22
  Also just before we move on to like stuff but because we're
• 22:25
  still kind of on the cast. I actually watch this drama for
• 22:29
  Kim ji Hoon really. Like when I saw that he joined
• 22:33
  the cast That was what made me interested in this topic.
• 22:38
  It would still have watched it even if he wasn't enjoying,
• 22:41
  okay? But I was very curious to see
• 22:45
  because at the time when they revealed him as a cast, they
• 22:48
  didn't tell us much like they just said he's in the calf, they
• 22:51
  say what is it? Look even if you go to the Asian
• 22:54
  Wiki right now and look at the castles for flowers of evil, it
• 22:58
  came to you in is way down there.
• 23:00
  They do not yet. Say this character is there's
• 23:03
  like no way. Yeah I remember my drama isn't
• 23:07
  like didn't even have him. Like they had him as a guest
• 23:10
  like for the longest time until they started like airing it and
• 23:15
  realizing because I mean obviously most of those websites
• 23:19
  are like community-based. So right well didn't know
• 23:22
  because the information wasn't out there type thing but before
• 23:27
  this drama I think he had not been in a drama in a while.
• 23:32
  Yeah. He you know long time.
• 23:35
  All right, and I was curious to see what he won.
• 23:40
  I was curious because I hadn't seen him in a drama in a really
• 23:43
  long time. And I wanted to because I'm a
• 23:44
  very big fan of his. But I also was curious what he
• 23:49
  would do in this type of role because I hadn't seen him even
• 23:55
  in a crime drama before I think the last try and I've seen him
• 24:00
  like somewhat in a crime drama. I I never have not seen this
• 24:03
  drama, but it's on my list. Is it was like, bad thief.
• 24:07
  Good thief from like 2016-2017? Yeah.
• 24:12
  That, I think he was a lawyer or a cop in that one.
• 24:14
  I don't think he, I don't remember what the synopsis says
• 24:18
  his character was. But I like, I think I was
• 24:22
  intrigued also because the drama didn't give us anything.
• 24:25
  Like they didn't say who he was. So I was like, okay, well one, I
• 24:30
  already know I'm watching this because of the two main leads,
• 24:33
  right? But I also am really Ali curious
• 24:35
  what his role is because the one they like they also announced
• 24:39
  it. If I remember correctly, very
• 24:41
  late. It was we had already announced
• 24:43
  the two leads and then all of a sudden they're like, oh yeah,
• 24:45
  he's joining it to. And I'm like okay all right well
• 24:48
  I like him so I'm gonna yeah watch this guy, he's kind of a
• 24:52
  Kevin Spacey of it all and I mean that in the best way
• 24:56
  possible, not in the worst way because Kevin Spacey takes on a
• 24:58
  whole new meaning now in 2022. But back in the day he was like
• 25:02
  the pinch hitter for a lot. Of Thriller movies, considering
• 25:08
  he was the pinch-hitter and secret cast member of seven and
• 25:13
  it was the same way for my God, what's that The Usual Suspects
• 25:19
  where he was like a main player. But then, you know, obviously
• 25:22
  there's a Twist at the end of The Usual Suspects and Kevin
• 25:25
  Spacey like you would never think that Kim Joon would give
• 25:29
  off the Kevin Spacey Vibe. No, but we could talk about it
• 25:34
  later on in. Spoilers.
• 25:36
  He did fantastic. He's fantastic.
• 25:38
  It was my favorite. He was he was definitely like a
• 25:41
  highlight of this drama for me. Yeah, I also love the fact
• 25:45
  because people noticed him to like this was his this is this
• 25:49
  drama was of introduction for a lot of people to him which
• 25:52
  always makes me happy. When actors I'm a fan of or
• 25:57
  actresses, I'm a fan of and know going into dramas where other
• 26:01
  people might not know them. Because I don't know, they have
• 26:04
  never been In the lead role in this is their first lead role or
• 26:07
  they're just a memorable supporting character.
• 26:11
  And they want to see like, oh my God, I'm blanking on his name.
• 26:17
  The lawyer from extraordinary extraordinary attorney, the the
• 26:22
  boss guy. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I feel like
• 26:25
  his last name is Kang. Yeah, but he's been at.
• 26:29
  He mean, he's one of those supporting characters I have
• 26:31
  been in every he said that guy, you like, oh, it's that guy from
• 26:35
  that drama and you never write. You got a lot of hype with that
• 26:41
  and like people were like, oh man, like I know he's been in a
• 26:44
  lot of Dramas but I've never really noticed him.
• 26:47
  He got a lot more traction with that and I always liked that
• 26:50
  when the happened Kang, kek Kang Chi Yong conky on.
• 26:54
  Yeah. Yeah, I loved him before.
• 26:57
  Extraordinary. Whoo attorney Wu.
• 26:59
  Yeah I but I like when I that type of thing happens and I
• 27:03
  think flower evil, this was kind of.
• 27:05
  Yeah. Kim ji Hoon.
• 27:06
  This was ji Hoon the center and he woves.
• 27:09
  Yeah. Team old signs for I think a lot
• 27:11
  of people I just remember on Twitter a lot of people like who
• 27:14
  is this guy? This guy is insane.
• 27:17
  And I was showing like I was like posting pictures of him,
• 27:21
  like really buff do my God so that all and all that stuff.
• 27:25
  He and yeah, he's super He's fit.
• 27:29
  And yeah, I think he's shirtless results in the long hair.
• 27:32
  Also, the long hair help, and he still has a long hair.
• 27:37
  I'm answering follower, he still has it.
• 27:39
  I mean, he had it in money heís too many high schools this year,
• 27:42
  but yes, he played. Denver money highest and yeah,
• 27:45
  joint economic area whatever. Yeah, so anyways I liked I liked
• 27:49
  this drama because of him as well.
• 27:51
  Like he was a major factor of me watching this drama interesting
• 27:55
  and I'm glad you're not gatekeeping can do.
• 27:57
  And you've heard Good night, meant to be like a gatekeeper
• 28:00
  people. I'm like, oh yeah.
• 28:02
  I know that guy for years. Not personally, I put just in
• 28:06
  these drawers too many at this point.
• 28:08
  There's too many. I can't really get keep
• 28:09
  everybody rides. It's like it's like I've known
• 28:13
  this person from 2009 2010 and people are just discovering of
• 28:17
  now. What it, what can I do, right?
• 28:21
  All right, what did you think of?
• 28:23
  I guess we should go to our main guy ijen guy--.
• 28:26
  His it's and his journey throughout the course of the
• 28:30
  show because I feel like he goes through a roller coaster just in
• 28:37
  terms of internal and external. So I was really, I don't know.
• 28:43
  If I was blown away by his performance necessarily, I think
• 28:47
  it was good, but was it the best that I've ever seen of him?
• 28:51
  I kind of feel like the moon lovers kind of clinched at for
• 28:54
  me, because that one was another emotional.
• 28:57
  The roller coaster and Infamous ending.
• 29:01
  But in this one, I don't know. I have on the fence about it.
• 29:08
  Okay. Yeah.
• 29:10
  I mean, I was once I have not seen moved moon lovers.
• 29:13
  I mean, I've seen enough where I like know his acting but I think
• 29:18
  I enjoyed his acting in this a lot.
• 29:21
  I think, for me, it was different.
• 29:26
  I think before that I had seen him in like Wallace, oyler
• 29:33
  lawyer and like these types of roles where again, you shows off
• 29:37
  his fighting skill and doesn't really it's kind of, like, His
• 29:43
  character can only be so much when you're like a fighting
• 29:46
  person. And so I think flower of evil
• 29:50
  kind of showed his other his range that he could do in terms
• 29:56
  of Being like is he potentially an evil character is he not and
• 30:03
  him being able to play around with that being a family man and
• 30:07
  showing off that side of him? And that character I think I
• 30:13
  think what I loved about this was like on one hand, the
• 30:19
  character was like cold and not emotional and kind of distance.
• 30:26
  But then he also Like a really creepy distant type of way and
• 30:31
  then he also was like the loving father and but I think what he
• 30:37
  did so well was like even when he was playing like the loving
• 30:41
  father and doting husband part of his character.
• 30:44
  It's still somewhat came off as creepy sometimes because you
• 30:47
  never really knew if he was actually the bad guy or if he
• 30:52
  was a killer or if he liked was going crazy like you.
• 30:57
  Did not know, right? And I think I had never seen him
• 31:01
  do that type of character and I think that expanded his range
• 31:05
  and showed people. What more than he could do.
• 31:10
  Because I mean I think what it comes down to his.
• 31:13
  I have not seen a lot of his movies.
• 31:14
  He might have shown this some more and movie roles but in
• 31:18
  terms of Dramas that I've seen them, it was all like fighting
• 31:21
  Kick-Ass, bring down the patriarchy bring down
• 31:25
  everything. Like yeah, he has affected this
• 31:27
  was more round around in character for him.
• 31:31
  Yeah. He's definitely been ill to me
• 31:33
  for almost his entire career at Le Jimmy is basically like a Not
• 31:38
  Peter Pan, Robin Hood like, a Robin Hood, kind of care.
• 31:41
  Yeah, and he's very Cocky and Confident and like you said a
• 31:48
  fighter, he's got this Persona, like that scene where he was
• 31:52
  show, like staring at himself in the mirror and like, had those
• 31:56
  cards of This is What Happy Looks like this.
• 31:59
  That was creepy. Like I thought he did that very
• 32:02
  well. So, here's my thing about it, is
• 32:05
  that he is I want to say what mid 30s late 30s.
• 32:12
  I think in the show, I he's supposed to be in the show like
• 32:15
  a are the character is 40? I mean the, the actors he's 40?
• 32:19
  Yes. So he's, yeah, I think he's
• 32:21
  earned it is almost 40. Yeah, I think he's in the show.
• 32:23
  I think he's around the same age and he I don't think this is
• 32:27
  much of a spoiler, but he's been married for 10 years.
• 32:30
  I think. And I it's not that he's
• 32:36
  watching, he's no, not over this, it's not that he's
• 32:39
  watching these videos of how to express emotions.
• 32:44
  Is that he's doing it still to this day after 10 years of
• 32:49
  marriage, still studying emotion.
• 32:53
  It just feels really belated and why would he still be doing
• 32:57
  this? He hasn't had this lesson before
• 33:00
  is this a refresher on how to be sad or Be happy.
• 33:03
  So that was like my nitpick I guess is that?
• 33:06
  I was like, okay cool, he's very creepy here but plot W like
• 33:11
  timeline-wise. This doesn't make sense to me.
• 33:16
  Okay, is, yeah, that's fast. Been married and under this
• 33:21
  playing, this charade for, like, over a decade.
• 33:25
  And now he's looking up out of how to be happy, how to look
• 33:28
  happy in front of her so that didn't click for me.
• 33:31
  But I will say that I felt this more on first watch what I was
• 33:36
  watching in nine months ago but he does a good job of playing
• 33:41
  creepy and he does a good job of being an unreliable narrator.
• 33:46
  Which it's not that he's literally voiceover narrating
• 33:49
  the show, but he is the protagonist and you kind of
• 33:53
  believe you. You want to believe in this,
• 33:56
  dude? The whole show and when he does
• 34:00
  things that are kind of creepy or you know I don't think I can
• 34:04
  get behind that. You just did x y z you are put
• 34:08
  in a position. Like do I still support this
• 34:10
  dude even if all of a sudden I think he's a murderer or
• 34:14
  whatever. So I think it's kind of
• 34:18
  challenging the audience, a lot of the time for their own
• 34:23
  perception. Like why why are you rooting for
• 34:25
  this guy? He's very shady, he's doing
• 34:29
  this. He doesn't know how to be happy
• 34:31
  if he doesn't know how to express sadness.
• 34:33
  He's faking it or whatever. So I think it is kind of playing
• 34:40
  up the audience sympathies and especially for this actor who is
• 34:45
  quite Beloved at this point, you know, for years removed from
• 34:49
  moon lovers, people want to see EG and they want to root for
• 34:54
  him. And they have this really
• 34:57
  interesting beefy character. Like they're he's sinking his
• 35:00
  teeth into and again very unreliable.
• 35:03
  You don't know who to trust and I think that kind of brings me
• 35:08
  to Moon, Chae, one's character, I really like her.
• 35:14
  Usually I think When I was watching, it nine months ago.
• 35:17
  I didn't think that she was annoying.
• 35:19
  Now, when I finish the show, I was like, man.
• 35:21
  She was kind of annoying. What did you think?
• 35:23
  I meant you on again? I had not seen her in a lot
• 35:28
  before this so This was a different character for me.
• 35:33
  Because again, before the only thing I really had seen her and
• 35:36
  was that tiger one. I was just describing.
• 35:40
  I can't remember what it's called that.
• 35:42
  I'm a pharaoh in the would get Ava ferry.
• 35:44
  That was really like. That was the, that was the
• 35:47
  drama. That was kind of fresh in my
• 35:48
  mind for that. So again, I appreciated the fact
• 35:51
  that this was a different character that I had never seen
• 35:54
  her in. I appreciated that. it was, It
• 35:59
  was a Character that seem to meld well with Lee Joon GI think
• 36:07
  they have very good chemistry and played off.
• 36:09
  Well, I will say though the I think why?
• 36:15
  Like I thought the writers sort of did it in her perspective in
• 36:18
  terms of making Lee Yoo Jun jie like The audience, what you were
• 36:25
  just saying like the audience, not really trusting a guy not
• 36:29
  knowing I remember thinking oh they're kind of writing it from
• 36:33
  her perspective, like she doesn't know to help whether the
• 36:36
  trust him she's starting to notice, his facade crumble, a
• 36:41
  little bit, that type of thing. Whereas the audience are
• 36:43
  noticing the same thing, I don't remember that.
• 36:49
  I found her annoying, I kind of like II I liked that.
• 36:54
  She was like, Like a badass cop, but I'm also very partial for
• 37:00
  female cops. Like I like, yeah.
• 37:02
  I love when female cops and I also think I liked her in terms
• 37:08
  of She was, she was a wife. She was a mother.
• 37:12
  She kind of had it all. And could do it all.
• 37:15
  Yeah, she's super mom. Yeah, super mom.
• 37:18
  And I liked seeing the turmoil within herself of like her,
• 37:27
  realizing that The crime she's investigating her husband could
• 37:33
  potentially have been the criminal and her having to deal
• 37:38
  with those emotions and trying to figure out what to do next.
• 37:43
  I thought that was a very interesting Dilemma to have.
• 37:50
  Hmm. And to try to figure out, I
• 37:53
  could see why you thought she was annoying.
• 37:55
  I mean, I wouldn't say, I think I did find her annoying in some
• 37:59
  Um, certain scenes and some like especially you have like her
• 38:04
  reaction to something, but I think overall I didn't end up
• 38:08
  finding her annoying. I think it had to do with,
• 38:10
  towards the leader episode, she's crying a lot and she
• 38:13
  doesn't think she is. I think I have an issue when
• 38:17
  people. This is very specific but you
• 38:21
  have these beautiful people and they start crying and they look
• 38:24
  great crying fine. She looks like, she's not even
• 38:27
  crying she cries without. Moving her face and it's kind of
• 38:32
  like, I don't know how many actors can do this, where they
• 38:36
  just cry with like a straight face.
• 38:39
  And she is one of those actresses that can just like a
• 38:42
  lot of Tears. A lot of Waterworks she's not
• 38:44
  moving a muscle. She looks very Angelic and
• 38:47
  Serene, and that sort of thing, really bothers me.
• 38:52
  It is such an each thing. I don't know if anyone else if
• 38:56
  anybody else feels this way, but maybe, Maybe that's why I found
• 39:01
  1201 a little bit annoying towards the end, but I agree
• 39:03
  with you that she had a wonderful, very entertaining
• 39:07
  journey and that she was acting very well.
• 39:10
  Through this internal struggle and questioning, everything
• 39:15
  herself, her life, her husband, her job, her co-workers,
• 39:20
  everything is Up For Debate. Everything is being stress,
• 39:26
  stress tested in her life, and it is, Quite interesting to see
• 39:31
  where they come out on towards the later episodes and what she
• 39:35
  resolves within herself and in the relationship with Egypt Keys
• 39:39
  character, I think the show had a lot to do with what is the
• 39:45
  role that DNA plays on mental illness and disorders and what
• 39:50
  is identity? Can you rise above pain and
• 39:54
  Trauma and family Legacy? What is your true self?
• 39:59
  Like how do you Find your true self.
• 40:01
  And, you know, how do you stay true to yourself in the midst of
• 40:04
  all of this pain and things that are out of your control?
• 40:09
  So many characters were asking towards the end.
• 40:11
  Why is this? I don't understand why this is
• 40:13
  happening to me and I feel like every one of us has a moment in
• 40:17
  our lives where we say the same thing, like I didn't do anything
• 40:20
  for this to happen to me. So why is this happening to me?
• 40:24
  And these kind of questions are really profound, even if the
• 40:28
  flower of evil plot is, Me grandiose and very complicated
• 40:33
  and kdrama E, it's intense, but at the end of the day, I feel
• 40:39
  like these are just people and they're going through
• 40:43
  extraordinary things and you feel, you feel for them and you
• 40:48
  feel it and you just empathize with them a lot especially
• 40:53
  towards the end when they're feeling, sorry for themselves.
• 40:56
  And they're asking those questions like why is this?
• 40:58
  I don't understand why is This happening to me and I feel like
• 41:02
  these are all really important things to discuss and talk about
• 41:07
  and have these things crop up in a kdrama that is really kind of
• 41:12
  a melodrama. I kind of didn't find it so much
• 41:15
  a criminal drama as much as it was like a traditional kdrama
• 41:21
  melodrama. Oh yeah I mean a huge part of
• 41:23
  this drama was about their relationship and how they were
• 41:26
  going to whether this humongous Between the two of them
• 41:31
  essentially. Yeah.
• 41:33
  And what was going to play out? I mean yes it was a crime drama
• 41:37
  but yes, I totally agree. It was a very much of a
• 41:41
  melodrama somewhat romantic drama at the same time.
• 41:47
  Yes. Last thing I want to mention is
• 41:50
  like what did you think of the kid, their child?
• 41:54
  I thought I was adorable. I said she's adorable, isn't she
• 41:58
  the cutest thing you've ever seen?
• 42:01
  EG with a child actor and bouncing off a, who's supposed
• 42:07
  to be his daughter in the drama is probably the most adorable
• 42:12
  thing. Like you're just like my ovaries
• 42:14
  are going to explode that kind of thing.
• 42:16
  Like I didn't know I needed this but apparently I do need this
• 42:19
  and it is really something to see.
• 42:22
  I think that more dramas should employ Child Actors and you
• 42:28
  know, we've had some good ones on the show.
• 42:30
  We've covered for debauch, like peel gu from when the Camellia
• 42:34
  blooms is like a really good child actor.
• 42:36
  You're like, oh my God, I love this kid.
• 42:38
  I feel so bad for him and just, like, in the grand tradition of
• 42:42
  like, wonderful child actors in kdramas, this little girl did
• 42:47
  really well as well. I think she was a good addition
• 42:51
  and a whole new like level to their relationship as well.
• 42:55
  But I almost feel like towards the end she's kind of taken out
• 42:59
  of the equation. Asian.
• 43:00
  Yes. And we can talk about that some
• 43:03
  more, but in the spoiler section.
• 43:05
  But I'm gonna go ahead and ask you, what would you rate the
• 43:08
  power of evil out of five Soldier bottles?
• 43:13
  I would say four, four and a half.
• 43:16
  Okay. Wow.
• 43:16
  Because again, the end of 15 start of 16, really threw me for
• 43:22
  a loop and like, really affected my watching but I grow used to
• 43:27
  it by the end of the show, but I think, Really effective my
• 43:30
  rating for this drama. So I would say for four and a
• 43:33
  half, I think I would give it a three and a half maybe for on a
• 43:39
  good day. I am still really close to the
• 43:42
  drama. I'm not that far removed from
• 43:44
  it. Maybe in a week, it'll be three.
• 43:47
  Maybe, you know, we could all be for naught half, I don't know.
• 43:50
  But right now, I'm just kind of sitting in the middle.
• 43:52
  It was entertaining for sure. Wasn't?
• 43:56
  What I watch it again. I don't think so.
• 43:59
  Okay. And that I think affects my
• 44:01
  rating, a lot is re-watch ability even though like I don't
• 44:05
  know why I even think that way because I don't end up watching
• 44:08
  re watching kdramas almost ever like my own either earlier.
• 44:13
  I like nice, watch out you can count on.
• 44:15
  I think I can count on one hand. How many dramas?
• 44:18
  Yes we watched same. I used to re-watch kdramas early
• 44:22
  when I was early in my kdrama career.
• 44:24
  Now I don't do it ever. I just move on to the next gauge
• 44:28
  so my feel bad. Basing a lot of my score on
• 44:31
  re-watch ability, but there it is.
• 44:32
  Anyway. I think we're going to get
• 44:34
  started on the spoilers. So, stick around, if you've
• 44:37
  watched flower of evil, we're going to do spoilers right after
• 44:41
  this. You want to come in.
• 44:50
  All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, so Caitlin,
• 44:52
  where do you want to start for strollers?
• 44:54
  I think you kept alluding to like episode 15, 16 and the
• 44:58
  ending. So, so I don't mind starting at
• 45:00
  the end and like kind of working our way back through the drama.
• 45:04
  Um, what happened was in episode 15, we get head trauma, he gets
• 45:10
  shot and Eden Keys character has Amnesia.
• 45:16
  Yeah, that he basically wakes up after a month of being in a coma
• 45:22
  and he is in a frame of mind in 2005, he thinks it's 2005.
• 45:29
  He has no Recollection of the past 15 years has no
• 45:31
  recollection of when Jones character his wife his daughter.
• 45:35
  None of the drama that they just went through with serial killers
• 45:38
  and the accomplice, and the father, and all this stuff.
• 45:41
  So I, what do I even say to that?
• 45:47
  It was 2005. Like I said before the sport, we
• 45:49
  broke for spoilers. Um, did I think they're going to
• 45:54
  do Amnesia in the show? Know, if you had interviewed Lee
• 45:57
  not end of episode 14, I would be like, what do you mean
• 46:00
  they're gonna do? Have you do that?
• 46:01
  Would never do that. Um, no.
• 46:04
  They did it and they stuck to, they stuck it, like, they can't
• 46:09
  with it. It wasn't like, oh, he's, I
• 46:13
  don't even know, like, like he's faking it or something.
• 46:17
  Yeah, yes. Because he can fake so many
• 46:19
  things. He did not fake his and meet
• 46:21
  you, right? It was real.
• 46:24
  What did you think of it? Where did you land at the end?
• 46:27
  You said you kind of were in a place of Acceptance in the final
• 46:32
  suit was so mad when it happened.
• 46:35
  I like remember vividly being like, Oh, come on show.
• 46:39
  I literally said that because, I mean, and I usually, as I said
• 46:43
  earlier, I usually love this Trope.
• 46:45
  I love when they stick it in Asia into dramas, I find it
• 46:49
  either hilarious or I'm like yes more and be like I like my Like
• 46:53
  John's where there's like six characters I have amnesia in the
• 46:56
  hundred episodes, like I'll usually love it but I remember
• 47:00
  absolutely hating this decision to put this in here because I
• 47:04
  think I'll know if I would have had an issue with it, if it
• 47:08
  happened earlier like episode 13 or 14, but I think I was a
• 47:13
  little angry because it happened going into episode 16.
• 47:18
  Ha ha. So, I was like, how were they
• 47:21
  going to end this drama when he has Nisha like is he just going
• 47:25
  to have amnesia and that's going to be the end.
• 47:27
  Like I just didn't I didn't understand.
• 47:30
  So I think what I really was mad about was like the placement of
• 47:34
  the Amnesia, Okay? And like because I felt like
• 47:38
  well it's a cop-out, they don't know what else to do because
• 47:41
  they've kind of wrapped up everything to an extent, right
• 47:46
  by the end of 15. And so, instead of showing this
• 47:50
  happy family They're going to put one last twist into it and
• 47:56
  whatever. So I remember hating that
• 47:59
  decision, but then by the end, like we did get that reunions
• 48:04
  like the really cute scene, where he was at his daughter
• 48:08
  school and okay. So I'll jump in here.
• 48:15
  I thought that it was I was stunned and then I thought it
• 48:21
  was extremely cheap of them to have him have amnesia and then
• 48:24
  they kept saying it reiterating, his diagnosis was perfectly
• 48:28
  normal, he should be healed up, he should be awake by now
• 48:31
  shouldn't be in a coma and all this stuff.
• 48:33
  He wakes up 15 years gone for some reason, there was no sign
• 48:37
  of brain. Trauma.
• 48:38
  No sign that he would have amnesia no reason for it.
• 48:41
  He just woke up 15 years in the past and I'll I think a lot of
• 48:49
  what. So if you can say that the
• 48:52
  Amnesia was sold to me, it was that a lot of characters were
• 48:55
  saying that they couldn't quite wrap their head around his
• 48:58
  personality now and how it seemed like he was a different
• 49:02
  but the same kind of a meshing between his old old personality.
• 49:07
  And when I say old old, I just mean his teenage personality and
• 49:10
  then who he came to be towards the end of the Fiasco is all I
• 49:15
  can say, because he was Very emotional manic, you can almost
• 49:20
  say and in love with his wife, like ultimately accepted that he
• 49:25
  had feelings for his wife, was deeply in love with her and
• 49:29
  wanted to fix the situation and come out on top.
• 49:35
  Now, he's kind of devoid of all the feelings for toward his
• 49:39
  wife, but it's still kind of Back In Those Old rhythms of
• 49:45
  antisocial personality disorder. Personality disorder right?
• 49:49
  Which is very common in cage. Well, that's also a very common
• 49:53
  kdrama Trope to have a character.
• 49:55
  That's has a disorder. Think it just I think what what
• 49:59
  worked at me Stu was like they kind of just reset the whole
• 50:02
  story again. Hmm, they reset him back to the
• 50:06
  beginning and him trying to figure out Like right.
• 50:12
  What are his feelings? He was you know what his
• 50:15
  emotions were now dealing with everything being revealed yet
• 50:19
  again like and granted. It wasn't like the things being
• 50:23
  revealed going at the beginning of drama.
• 50:25
  We're not the same things being revealed now but like I just saw
• 50:31
  it just I didn't think that was needed.
• 50:33
  I didn't think that was like, it would be different if it was
• 50:37
  like episode 13 or 14 and he had the like ReDiscover his love
• 50:43
  again, but it's like it's episode 16 who have like 45 50
• 50:47
  minutes to do that. Like, are you serious?
• 50:49
  Right right. I mean, he, yeah, you know,
• 50:52
  there's a moment where they have this conversation in the car
• 50:55
  between the both of them husband and wife and he's telling About
• 51:02
  the how he knows how to cook dishes.
• 51:03
  He's never even before and how he's got all this talent for
• 51:07
  metalworking the comes out. And he doesn't know like where
• 51:10
  the talent kind of came from, where this experience came from.
• 51:12
  He doesn't remember doing all of the stuff and he admits that
• 51:17
  he's this master manipulator and he knows what she wants to hear
• 51:21
  even though he doesn't really know her.
• 51:23
  And it's kind of interesting to see him work his magic.
• 51:26
  I kind of wanted him to say that he's He's still faking it, but
• 51:31
  at the end, he wasn't like, faking the crying in the car,
• 51:35
  the Waterworks this whole like a more personal display, like that
• 51:37
  was real. And and I think that's what made
• 51:41
  like this whole concept of him. Relearning, his emotions to when
• 51:46
  I going back to, this was a more well-rounded role for you
• 51:51
  joong-ki to play. Like, I don't remember any of
• 51:55
  his previous roles like he. Yeah, he cried in previous roles
• 51:58
  and whatever. But like, right, Being this
• 52:01
  emotional in this distraught and this kind of manic in certain
• 52:06
  scenes overall. I had never seen him act like
• 52:11
  that before. So I think that was another
• 52:13
  reason why I loved his performance.
• 52:16
  It has drama. Well I did like that scene and
• 52:20
  especially because you're talking about you didn't go he
• 52:24
  doesn't remember this, 15 year Journey, this emotional Journey
• 52:28
  that he's been on and he doesn't have the memories to back this
• 52:32
  up. So, you know, he was saying,
• 52:35
  whatever love or feelings that he has.
• 52:37
  He doesn't know how long they'll last because he's How do we used
• 52:40
  to be? And I like this analogy that he
• 52:44
  gave, it says, he feels like they're Shackled and running in
• 52:48
  circles and that she's just chasing him this entire time and
• 52:52
  I have in my notes so much crying.
• 52:55
  I cried a lot and you cried a lot and she cries do.
• 53:00
  They all did like the last couple of episodes were just I
• 53:04
  mean chewing up scenery, they were really just crying all the
• 53:08
  time. And I like that he is, I don't
• 53:14
  know if they'd give it enough time but the you know, he's
• 53:15
  saying that he doesn't know why he feels a certain way and he
• 53:20
  doesn't know how to label things and he comes home and the
• 53:23
  journalists minsu is confronts him.
• 53:24
  About the excessive amount of egg Tarts that are in the fridge
• 53:27
  and he's just like, I can't help but buying every time I see the
• 53:29
  egg Tarts, I have to buy them, he has no idea that it's because
• 53:33
  of his daughter that he would always buy his daughter egg
• 53:36
  Tarts that was her thing. So it's very Sad and kind of
• 53:41
  manufactured. I think it's what I want to say.
• 53:45
  It's kind of like the end of a Pixar movie, where you're just
• 53:47
  like, oh my God, assaulted by feelings.
• 53:50
  And because of the Amnesia, and the further Journey, that he has
• 53:55
  to go on. It feels very manipulative and
• 54:00
  not in an earned way because had they had this sort of, like
• 54:05
  moment of catharsis when he was himself after all of this.
• 54:09
  Google and strife that they had been through and he, maybe he
• 54:12
  wakes up from his coma and he's like ready to kind of talk it
• 54:17
  out with his wife and restart their relationship.
• 54:20
  Instead of literally, restarting their entire relationship
• 54:24
  because of the Ambrosia. That would be a different story.
• 54:27
  But instead they have him just kind of stumbling around his
• 54:33
  feelings. And it's, it's annoying because
• 54:37
  you have these emotional touch points like the egg.
• 54:39
  That you have the the rings that he can't seem to take off his
• 54:43
  wedding ring because he feels incomplete without it and that
• 54:47
  he says he keeps hurting himself while he's metalworking if he
• 54:51
  doesn't have the ring on. So it's like he has these tokens
• 54:55
  but he doesn't know what they mean and it's kind of just very
• 54:59
  2005 kdrama. Like what can I say right right.
• 55:04
  Yeah so I found that annoying but also like good in a Shallow
• 55:10
  way is good. The final sequence of him going
• 55:15
  to the house because, of course, she's putting it up for sale,
• 55:17
  just going to move away to Busan and he's like reading the notes.
• 55:23
  These notebooks have just notes on her.
• 55:25
  Like she loves the rain. She has a, she doesn't like
• 55:29
  this, she loves moth, I've she loves butterflies but hates
• 55:33
  moths, like, things like that were written in these journals
• 55:37
  that, you know, he's kind of more Attached to now he's
• 55:41
  reading it and she's like, you can't have that because you
• 55:44
  know, it's about me and you don't want anything to do with
• 55:46
  me evidently and you know, she tells him she's moving away.
• 55:50
  He's like why would you leave? When I'm finally taking my first
• 55:54
  step toward you. And again I like how did he come
• 55:59
  to that conclusion? Like I don't know if it was just
• 56:04
  he can't he can't live without her.
• 56:08
  He just has that they have to learn to love each other all
• 56:11
  over again. Like what?
• 56:12
  I don't know, I don't know. They go to the well I think that
• 56:16
  was the thing. I think the cat that was the I
• 56:22
  think he couldn't figure out who he really wanted to be or who he
• 56:27
  was and what he had dealt with not only within the last 15
• 56:32
  years that he lost but within the last year.
• 56:35
  Or so however long the drama actually takes place without her
• 56:40
  being there. Like she was a very big reason
• 56:42
  on helping him find his memories again, find e whether that was
• 56:48
  good or bad. And so he needed her there.
• 56:53
  He needed some type of anchor and that she she was the anchor.
• 57:00
  Yeah that's a great point. That she was this steady
• 57:05
  presence in his life for 15 years and she basically taught
• 57:08
  him everything that he needed to know about emotions in life and
• 57:12
  living to the fullest and appreciating the little things
• 57:15
  in life. And I can't think You're right
• 57:20
  that he kind of just goes back to her and he's like I think you
• 57:22
  need you, I think I'm curious now about that guy that is
• 57:26
  missing like the guy that I used to be I we should find him
• 57:30
  together. I think is what he tells her it
• 57:32
  was a nice thought, I don't know.
• 57:36
  I'm still like really upset I guess about the Amnesia again
• 57:42
  that was not it was not my favorite decision either.
• 57:45
  I just I it was a cop-out. It was something that the
• 57:48
  writers in my opinion. Is something that the writer is
• 57:51
  basically, did not know what to do with episode 16.
• 57:54
  So they wanted to create one final twist in order to MMM and
• 58:02
  like, keep people, I guess keep people invested even though it
• 58:06
  was the last episode. And right?
• 58:10
  Yeah, I did not. I also did not like the decision
• 58:13
  but yeah. He's yeah.
• 58:16
  All right. Well we might come back Circle
• 58:18
  back to the ending, but I feel like we kind of talked about the
• 58:23
  Indonesia enough episode 1 was a good episode because it ends
• 58:27
  with him, kidnapping, the journalist moo-jin which is when
• 58:32
  people were like, oh my God, what a junkie is that it never
• 58:38
  and he's very creepy and he's got the serial killer plastic on
• 58:44
  the ground. And he's saying really creepy
• 58:47
  things and you're just like, oh my God, what does he have to do
• 58:50
  with the serial killer case and he owned do?
• 58:53
  And it's just very soft like, he's just so sauce in episode
• 58:58
  one. Yeah.
• 58:59
  But episode one also has these moments between him and his wife
• 59:03
  were like, oh my God, they're so in love.
• 59:08
  And that's something else that I don't think.
• 59:10
  I don't think we should just gloss over.
• 59:12
  It said that Utopia that he built for their family is just
• 59:18
  that like a Utopia. You kind of get the sense that
• 59:22
  something's wrong, even though you see that everything is
• 59:25
  right. And, you know, they're seen
• 59:28
  making out and having sex in the morning.
• 59:30
  Things like that, the co-workers that she comes in contact with
• 59:34
  that day or like, you guys are still in the honeymoon.
• 59:36
  Period, and it's been like 10 years Years.
• 59:38
  Since you've been married, isn't that crazy?
• 59:40
  That's so weird. And she's like, haha is my life.
• 59:42
  Great. And you're like, girl, what if
• 59:46
  there's something wrong here, because after 10 years of
• 59:50
  marriage, a lot of stuff is going to start to fade, and sort
• 59:54
  of that high of the honeymoon. Period should be well and worn
• 1:00:00
  by now. And so, I think that it's kind
• 1:00:04
  of interesting from a kdrama perspective.
• 1:00:08
  To see a 10-year marriage, and see a going really well and
• 1:00:12
  realize that it's not right, because right, usually kdramas
• 1:00:17
  end at the marriage. Like when they say at the
• 1:00:19
  wedding, they start their life together.
• 1:00:21
  Officially and you don't see this 10 years down the line or
• 1:00:26
  15 years down the line, what the couple looks like.
• 1:00:29
  And here we see them 10 years in and all hell's about to break
• 1:00:33
  loose in their lives. So I think it is a little bit
• 1:00:38
  Kind of subverting expectations. And then throughout the show, we
• 1:00:41
  see flashbacks of their courtship and really her kind of
• 1:00:45
  chasing him and being very proactive about her feelings and
• 1:00:51
  kind of confronting him about his feelings.
• 1:00:54
  A lot of the time, she's the one that I think confesses to him is
• 1:00:57
  felt like gender reversals for a lot of the tropes and kdrama.
• 1:01:02
  So very interesting writing especially for their
• 1:01:06
  relationship. I would say.
• 1:01:09
  Right. And I think also it's like if so
• 1:01:15
  going back to the example of him, looking in the mirror and
• 1:01:20
  practicing like I imagined he had been doing that for 10 years
• 1:01:24
  to keep up the facade to keep up this got him.
• 1:01:29
  Happy marriage. Like he had to work and he had
• 1:01:33
  to work for 10 years to keep that up.
• 1:01:36
  I like that. So I think as you said like it
• 1:01:40
  it's creepy in a way because it's so perfect and that's kind
• 1:01:44
  of That's kind of his doing like he wanted to make it as perfect
• 1:01:50
  as possible. So his wife who's a cop could
• 1:01:54
  not, see ya potentially, what could like between the lines?
• 1:02:01
  Mmm. Like she had no idea if there
• 1:02:05
  was something there or not. So when it starts to crumble,
• 1:02:10
  when she starts to investigate this case, mmm, There's only so
• 1:02:16
  much like you can do and how long you can keep that up.
• 1:02:20
  And I think that's why it started 10 years into their
• 1:02:24
  marriage, because something was going to break at some point and
• 1:02:28
  that was just the Catalyst but that, that, that brought on a
• 1:02:32
  sense of creepiness for the entire show because again, he
• 1:02:36
  had to keep that up for 10 years, right?
• 1:02:41
  The kids. Oh, so let's talk about the, I
• 1:02:44
  guess, port. Real of antisocial personality
• 1:02:47
  disorder, especially when it pertains to his childhood in the
• 1:02:49
  flashbacks that we see of him in his hometown and how the
• 1:02:53
  townspeople thought he was possessed because they just had
• 1:02:58
  no frame of reference for his condition.
• 1:03:02
  Also, the kid that played him. Yeah, the actor looked.
• 1:03:06
  I remember the first time seeing him on screen, I was like, is
• 1:03:09
  that hit? Like I think you look so much
• 1:03:12
  like him at a younger age. Yeah, he's very angular
• 1:03:15
  features, just like Angie and yeah that kid looked very
• 1:03:19
  similar to eating a I will admit that.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, they find such. Sometimes I find such good
• 1:03:24
  casting with the younger and older.
• 1:03:27
  Right? Counterparts, and I agree.
• 1:03:30
  I agree. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:31
  So this That this town was awful, just straight-up
• 1:03:34
  terrible. They were like, kidnapping him
• 1:03:36
  to do exorcisms on him every few days or something.
• 1:03:40
  It was absolutely wild and I think I could be wrong.
• 1:03:47
  Could be reading too much into this, but this could be almost
• 1:03:51
  the writer and the showrunners kind of calling Korean Society,
• 1:03:58
  like Backwoods. Like Stone Age level thinking
• 1:04:06
  and like really out of touch and you know, all these negative
• 1:04:14
  things, I feel like they were trying to portray them as really
• 1:04:18
  ignorant toward right illness and mental disorders.
• 1:04:24
  I think use, I think you get a sense of that.
• 1:04:27
  I mean, we've seen that in other dramas.
• 1:04:29
  Oh yeah, exactly. We've seen that thing.
• 1:04:31
  Where if anything seems to be off about somebody whether
• 1:04:35
  female male their kind of shunned from a society.
• 1:04:40
  And some terms, they did exactly what they did to you, junie's
• 1:04:43
  character where they bring in an exorcist.
• 1:04:48
  It like we see that even in in America like in some like people
• 1:04:56
  find think like religious people, sometimes think they're
• 1:05:03
  Like, they're want to say, like children, but like people who
• 1:05:08
  are different, they shun like Society.
• 1:05:11
  It's different. They don't, they are not of the
• 1:05:13
  norm, so, like the demonic possession.
• 1:05:17
  I think you've seen and all of the religions real cases of it
• 1:05:22
  all over the world. And it's sad, it's a very sad
• 1:05:26
  and I think we have seen this in other dramas.
• 1:05:31
  We've seen this in other movies. Other countries too and other
• 1:05:34
  shows and it's just it's a sad occurrence that happens in real
• 1:05:39
  life when something when someone does not go with the norm and
• 1:05:45
  whether they are purposely, not going with the norm and they are
• 1:05:49
  need to be put into place or they're just different and they
• 1:05:52
  don't know why. In this case that's the case
• 1:05:55
  where he's just different and they don't know, understand it,
• 1:06:00
  they don't want to understand it.
• 1:06:02
  It right? And they want to put up the
• 1:06:05
  facade, that they have a perfect community, and he's the sore
• 1:06:08
  thumb, hmm. Like he's the one that stands
• 1:06:12
  out and they can't really do anything about it, so they tried
• 1:06:15
  to exercise it from him is quite maddening.
• 1:06:20
  I think for, especially for the audience, because, obviously, we
• 1:06:22
  can't, he can't do anything but watch this Mayhem happen and
• 1:06:27
  this great Injustice happened to this kid and see how it kind of
• 1:06:31
  wrecks him in the Flashbacks, we're to the point where he's
• 1:06:34
  like, maybe I am possessed and he thinks right.
• 1:06:37
  Then maybe he is a monster and he starts seeing his father as
• 1:06:40
  his crazy Apparition and just hallucinates his father.
• 1:06:44
  Or I don't know if it's a delusion at that point, it's
• 1:06:46
  just crazy how it's the town's folk that kind of drive him
• 1:06:52
  further into. Like, I just being really messed
• 1:06:58
  up and yeah, perhaps he was kind of a very passive.
• 1:07:02
  Of antisocial person with the disorder and then, he kind of
• 1:07:07
  got worse. Maybe after this right?
• 1:07:10
  Terrible exorcisms, every 3 days.
• 1:07:12
  I don't, I mean, who's to say? I think it would have wrecked
• 1:07:14
  with even a perfectly sane person.
• 1:07:17
  So it is very sad to see how it was the people around him, that
• 1:07:23
  kind of drove him to the edge and to make that decision to
• 1:07:28
  take the blame for the death of the foreman and things like
• 1:07:31
  that. He was like We're why would they
• 1:07:33
  believe us? When we say that it was in
• 1:07:36
  self-defense or something that my sister did this, my
• 1:07:38
  self-defense? They would never believe us.
• 1:07:40
  Our father is a known serial killer and they think I'm crazy.
• 1:07:45
  They think I'm possessed. Yeah, why would this?
• 1:07:47
  I think, I think the big thing was like, I think there was a
• 1:07:51
  lot of things going against him, even if it was just If it was
• 1:07:55
  just him being antisocial and him being weird, that was enough
• 1:08:00
  for this, but then you add on the family history and the known
• 1:08:03
  serial killer. So then they automatically
• 1:08:05
  think, well, he must have inherited it, so he's going to
• 1:08:09
  be a bad apple to like, it doesn't fart.
• 1:08:12
  Fall far from the tree type thing.
• 1:08:14
  And again, we see this type of thing and other dramas,
• 1:08:18
  especially when if like a parent or like you're related to
• 1:08:22
  something bad, your end up going.
• 1:08:24
  Be bad. It's a common crime trope.
• 1:08:29
  But that I think the reason why it's common is because it's
• 1:08:32
  compelling like you always root for the guy to not be like the
• 1:08:38
  father to not the like how Society views him, right?
• 1:08:43
  And so yeah, the cards are already stacked against him and
• 1:08:47
  it was just made worse by just a natural personality that he was
• 1:08:51
  born with right. And I got to be honest.
• 1:08:54
  Thinking about it from a western perspective.
• 1:08:56
  I would never in a million years think that a Killers, son or
• 1:09:00
  daughter would also turn out to be a serial killer.
• 1:09:02
  That makes no sense in my mind. And in fact, I, I guess the
• 1:09:06
  algorithm on Tick Tock, like knew that I was watching flower
• 1:09:10
  of evil and I was maybe talking about serial killers a little
• 1:09:13
  bit and out loud. And so it brought up this video
• 1:09:17
  of this serial killers daughter. And she was like, I'm the
• 1:09:22
  daughter of a serial killer X. So and so and I'm going to read
• 1:09:25
  this letter that my father sent me from jail because he's too If
• 1:09:29
  served currently serving, like I don't know how many life
• 1:09:31
  sentences for his killings and it was this like wild letter
• 1:09:34
  that she read aloud saying that he was innocent saying like
• 1:09:40
  that. She was a whore because he found
• 1:09:43
  this photo of her on her wedding day.
• 1:09:45
  Obviously, he was in Britain, the penitentiary you couldn't
• 1:09:48
  go, she never invited him, never told him anything and she got
• 1:09:51
  this crazy letter from her dad like just kind of berating her
• 1:09:53
  and very Manic and I found that so interesting.
• 1:09:59
  To see this person kind of open up on social media of all places
• 1:10:03
  about this crazy experience that she had and how it affects her
• 1:10:08
  and how she's kind of like a life coach or something now.
• 1:10:11
  And I was like that is he really tough job to kind of Coach
• 1:10:15
  people through very similar circumstances as her own?
• 1:10:20
  And again, it not that every person who is the son or
• 1:10:26
  daughter of a murderer is going to be Life coach later on in
• 1:10:30
  their lives. But you know, it is just
• 1:10:33
  interesting to see that the siblings in this are really just
• 1:10:40
  fucked because of the serial killer that they had for a
• 1:10:45
  father and right. At the end of the show, they're
• 1:10:49
  both like, we don't, we don't really know who we are.
• 1:10:52
  Like we don't know who our true selves are so we should find out
• 1:10:56
  like we should find out who we really are, who what we want to
• 1:10:59
  do, what makes us happy and just stick with that and forget all
• 1:11:03
  the rest of it move past this and I was like, damn after 20
• 1:11:07
  years now, they're finally going to get started on forgiving
• 1:11:11
  themselves and letting go of all of this trauma that has haunted
• 1:11:17
  them. For all this time, right?
• 1:11:19
  Which is another very sad and interesting.
• 1:11:21
  Part of the show is these two and they're Dynamic and how they
• 1:11:26
  move forward at the end. I think the other side of the
• 1:11:32
  spectrum I guess is the parents of the, accomplice serial
• 1:11:36
  killer, right? Who, you know, we get
• 1:11:39
  confirmation episode 3, that Jones, whose parents are not his
• 1:11:43
  real parents. He assumed this identity after
• 1:11:45
  getting getting run over by the car at night.
• 1:11:47
  I was robbed in the rain, all the shit and the real son was
• 1:11:51
  comatose and a hidden closet in the surgeons that reveal was
• 1:11:55
  epic epic. I loved every second of it.
• 1:12:00
  Yo that was episode 3 row. That was yes early and that was
• 1:12:04
  a really good reveal. I thread.
• 1:12:08
  Now we know why nothing was revealed about his character.
• 1:12:11
  So it was like, yeah I can't really say much about his
• 1:12:15
  character without spoilers. Because the guy that's in the
• 1:12:18
  coma is continued and he's the real Becky song.
• 1:12:23
  Like this comes back to bite them in a major way because
• 1:12:28
  these parents have all of these altercations have all of this
• 1:12:33
  like really big conversations between them.
• 1:12:38
  The surgeon is holding his wife, kind of emotionally hostage and
• 1:12:44
  they're horrible, horrible, they're horrible people.
• 1:12:47
  They're horrible to each other. There he's, there's this
• 1:12:51
  conversation that they have that.
• 1:12:53
  I want to touch on. They have this argument at the
• 1:12:56
  house and episode 9 while the grand daughter is home and you
• 1:13:01
  know dr. Beck is constantly guilting his
• 1:13:04
  wife or feeling good because of whatever she did to their son.
• 1:13:08
  It's not disclosed at this point what she did to their son, who's
• 1:13:11
  comatose to make him a vegetable.
• 1:13:14
  So and then he she says it's nice to see Well, good food
• 1:13:18
  again in the house because they don't cook at the house which is
• 1:13:20
  a huge red flag and Korean culture that they don't cook at
• 1:13:24
  home and that they don't sit together and have dinners as
• 1:13:26
  families and shit. And he tries to Gaslight her
• 1:13:30
  saying. Your depression is flaring up.
• 1:13:33
  Again, you should go to the hospital and no doubt.
• 1:13:36
  He's just trying to medicate her into submission, and she's very
• 1:13:40
  combative here saying that he's the one who should feel guilty
• 1:13:43
  because, basically, he kept their son, He breathing for
• 1:13:48
  himself, not for the benefit of their son that he wasn't there
• 1:13:52
  for any major accomplishment in his life and that she just wants
• 1:13:56
  to live like everyone else, you know?
• 1:13:59
  And that if their son could talk their son would ask that they
• 1:14:02
  kill him and then he slaps her, right?
• 1:14:05
  And that was like a kind of, you know, writing on the wall for me
• 1:14:10
  for these two and it was kind of late in episode nine because
• 1:14:13
  they were sketched throughout the show but they They are just
• 1:14:19
  so not redeemable. They are so far gone as parents
• 1:14:24
  and as a couple, they are just barely hanging on and more than
• 1:14:29
  the mom is just so neurotic and very emotional, just constantly
• 1:14:36
  having outbursts. And I think, I thought for the
• 1:14:41
  majority of the show that the husband was the serial killers,
• 1:14:44
  accomplice, and that he is like the baby cereal.
• 1:14:48
  In the scenario and the reveal that it's actually the sun was
• 1:14:55
  very surprising to me. I didn't think they were going
• 1:14:57
  to go that route at all. Exactly.
• 1:14:59
  Yeah. What did you think about it was
• 1:15:01
  beautiful? It was beautiful.
• 1:15:04
  The old of reveal like was like you just yeah I definitely never
• 1:15:08
  thought that was going to happen.
• 1:15:11
  I I thought it was interesting too because it wasn't only just
• 1:15:16
  Youjizz character. That is keeping up a facade.
• 1:15:20
  Yeah, keeping secrets and whatever it turned out like his
• 1:15:24
  entire family was family. Quotes are quotes family, His
• 1:15:31
  sister was like there was a ton of people whether covering for
• 1:15:35
  him or not. We're keeping up a facade and
• 1:15:38
  keeping secrets which I thought was an interesting theme
• 1:15:41
  throughout this drama as a whole because there was a ton of
• 1:15:45
  characters doing the same thing for various reasons.
• 1:15:50
  But yeah I absolutely love. Kim ji hoons reveal in this and
• 1:15:54
  like he was Chef kiss villain in this drama like I loved him in
• 1:16:02
  this drama. He's a very juicy villain when
• 1:16:05
  he when he got going because I think it wasn't until way later
• 1:16:09
  that they reveal and it's the sister right?
• 1:16:12
  I think it's you jinkies sister that character played by Jeong
• 1:16:20
  huijin. So she plays do his do hey, Sue
• 1:16:23
  the sister. Do I assume she shows up at the
• 1:16:27
  Docks house and says I need all this info from you.
• 1:16:30
  About the volunteers at your hospital.
• 1:16:33
  Because I had this idea, I went under hypnosis and I remembered
• 1:16:38
  that there was like a green bracelet that he was wearing,
• 1:16:42
  whatever, and the mom is very nervous.
• 1:16:46
  And she's asked her very last thing that she asked her, what
• 1:16:49
  is it? Is there anything else that you
• 1:16:50
  noticed about the accomplice? And she said, well, her the
• 1:16:54
  fingernails on his left hand were all nubbed up because it
• 1:16:59
  looked like he was a nail-biter But just as left hand and they
• 1:17:03
  show this fucking dude in his wheelchair, in the Next Room,
• 1:17:08
  biting his nails, his left hand nails and then he looks at his
• 1:17:13
  nails and suddenly see all these flashbacks on the screen in, in
• 1:17:18
  those scenarios as the accomplice.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah. Back in the day, then you have
• 1:17:24
  that great reveal where he like all of a sudden gets up walking
• 1:17:29
  like oh my God. That was that That was so good.
• 1:17:33
  I think that like better reveal him like we are able to walk
• 1:17:37
  like which is the darkness of the house.
• 1:17:39
  The lightning him going around the house, like stalking these
• 1:17:43
  people and then you have like the digging in the backyard like
• 1:17:48
  digging in the backyard. As what are we?
• 1:17:50
  Let's do. Good this.
• 1:17:52
  So that's how it's really the icing on the cake to me because
• 1:18:00
  Because the real scene, this is episode 12.
• 1:18:04
  I think the Rainy Night of him, trying to bury him Sue in the
• 1:18:08
  front yard or backyard or something after he ran him over.
• 1:18:12
  The mom has just found his box of souvenirs, right?
• 1:18:16
  With all of these nails lined up in Perfect Rose.
• 1:18:20
  Yep. And he found it under his
• 1:18:22
  mattress. You're joking, right?
• 1:18:25
  Like, there's not a better place that he wouldn't like that.
• 1:18:29
  Exactly. There's Mattress like a Fucking
• 1:18:31
  porn stash. And then she walks outside
• 1:18:35
  carrying the murder weapon that you found in the souvenir box,
• 1:18:38
  sees him burying somebody in the backyard and he's just like a
• 1:18:44
  hey, you weren't supposed to be home, right?
• 1:18:48
  Like period, like no, exhale Nation.
• 1:18:51
  Yeah, yeah. And he's another guy that played
• 1:18:55
  creepy really well like just really well and again, It was a
• 1:19:01
  character. I had never seen Kim.
• 1:19:03
  Ji Hoon play. Never seen this side of his
• 1:19:06
  acting. Yeah.
• 1:19:07
  Which was awesome. Because yeah.
• 1:19:10
  Yeah I had issues another role that it was another role that
• 1:19:13
  like kind of again showed range showed a different side.
• 1:19:17
  Okay, so I had issues with him. First of all, him burying the
• 1:19:20
  body in the front, your backyard, whatever.
• 1:19:22
  It was, which was in a shallow grave.
• 1:19:25
  That's a Trope though of a crime thing.
• 1:19:27
  I was really like, this is the sloppiest fucking see.
• 1:19:30
  Serial killer, accomplice I've ever seen?
• 1:19:33
  And that she has, I think you're very happy here.
• 1:19:35
  And he's like, yeah, where else did you think I was gonna put
• 1:19:38
  him? And I'm like, I mean I think
• 1:19:39
  that was a thing of his character though.
• 1:19:41
  He didn't think he was ever going to get caught because one
• 1:19:45
  he had all those souvenirs, he had been killing people for how
• 1:19:48
  many years that the right. His parents have this facade of
• 1:19:52
  being the perfect family, perfect, whatever they were,
• 1:19:56
  never going to give him up for that.
• 1:19:59
  Like even when he End up in the coma.
• 1:20:01
  They got a new Sun like they were never going to reveal those
• 1:20:05
  secrets. So right, I think he knew that
• 1:20:08
  he knew that he was. He could do basically whatever
• 1:20:11
  he wanted, right? Because one his parents were
• 1:20:14
  scared of him. Yeah, absolutely terrified of
• 1:20:17
  him. So they weren't ever going to
• 1:20:19
  confront him about it or do anything, allowing themselves to
• 1:20:22
  be manipulated by him because he was like, oh, mama up ba like,
• 1:20:25
  doing the whole like, yeah, sob story.
• 1:20:28
  Like, you're going to protect me right?
• 1:20:29
  Saying, really is A lot of things to them and they're like,
• 1:20:32
  uh, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:20:34
  I think it was a combination of fear but also they didn't want
• 1:20:37
  to give up what they had built themselves.
• 1:20:40
  I think I've and I think he rode that out he didn't want to, he
• 1:20:44
  didn't care because he had no empathy, but knew he was never
• 1:20:49
  going to get caught unless something happened in terms of
• 1:20:52
  the lives crumbling, which obviously, it happens in this
• 1:20:55
  drama. But so my other issue with him
• 1:20:59
  is just Very nitpicky thing. Every time he was acting crazy
• 1:21:02
  had wonderful crazy eyes but then he would open his mouth a
• 1:21:05
  lot like you would just like Drop is not.
• 1:21:08
  Why is your mouth open? Like that was a very confusing
• 1:21:11
  to me. That choice just open his mouth
• 1:21:14
  with the crazy eyes. I was like, what is he waiting
• 1:21:17
  for her here, it just looked a little weird.
• 1:21:20
  Okay, I have a question for you because I don't know what what
• 1:21:24
  I'm supposed to take away here. So the crowd, the serial killer
• 1:21:29
  dad. Died. 20 years ago or he was
• 1:21:33
  killed 20 years ago. So then only three years ago the
• 1:21:39
  serial killer, accomplice, our boy ended up in a coma.
• 1:21:45
  So what happened for 17 years? Does that make sense?
• 1:21:53
  Yeah, I'm trying to remember if I want If I think that I think
• 1:22:01
  the conclusion I think he took over the killing, I think that
• 1:22:06
  was the conclusion. We so there's more bodies but
• 1:22:09
  then what why was he Why did he totally forget about the last
• 1:22:14
  victim min-seok? Who was alive in a some Asylum
• 1:22:19
  that the trafficker was paying for?
• 1:22:23
  Then if that was what the Catalyst was for him, running
• 1:22:26
  over Egyptian guy. You know, Cece, where I'm
• 1:22:32
  saying, like, there's a gap of 17 years here, then all of a
• 1:22:36
  sudden, the traffickers, like, yeah, I got this girl, this like
• 1:22:39
  victim that you never finished off killing, and he was gonna go
• 1:22:43
  pick her up from the trafficker runs.
• 1:22:45
  Overreaching Keys, character ends up in a coma.
• 1:22:49
  And then now we're dealing with the after-effects three years
• 1:22:52
  later, but I'm confused. Why they never went back for the
• 1:22:56
  victim in 17 years. Well, I mean he ended up in a
• 1:23:01
  coma he couldn't that was 10 but the coma was only for three
• 1:23:04
  years. Oh my God.
• 1:23:09
  No. What am I talking about?
• 1:23:10
  I don't think so the coma so hold on.
• 1:23:16
  Okay. Gonna hit him burying the body
• 1:23:19
  was when he hit hit the car. That was him driving back.
• 1:23:22
  I got you. No, no.
• 1:23:24
  I'm we're going to see the girl. I am totally totally wrong.
• 1:23:28
  Because why would the gum only lasted three years.
• 1:23:31
  That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense.
• 1:23:34
  Because hyunsoo was he song for, like, 14 years, right?
• 1:23:41
  So he, yeah, he was, when he hit hee.
• 1:23:43
  Hee Jun, Jie's, career was going to.
• 1:23:47
  So that's why you have the body in the trunk, right?
• 1:23:50
  Okay, okay, no Ray. So I got it backwards because it
• 1:23:54
  was 20 years ago, the dad died, the serial killer dad died.
• 1:23:58
  Then three years later. He's dealing with the trafficker
• 1:24:01
  with the last victim, right? And then they had the guy who
• 1:24:05
  gets run over and then he gets in a coma for the next 14 years,
• 1:24:10
  right? Okay.
• 1:24:11
  Yeah, okay, so I had a totally backwards, I don't know what.
• 1:24:13
  Yeah I was thinking okay sorry. So he everybody had that body in
• 1:24:17
  the trunk when he hit him so that was another thing.
• 1:24:21
  If I remember correctly, he had a body in the trunk to what I
• 1:24:25
  think so or maybe it was Lee Gene that he put in the trunk.
• 1:24:29
  No, no, the body. That was in the trunk.
• 1:24:32
  So I'll answer this with the body that was in the trunk.
• 1:24:36
  Was the housekeeper that they murdered like in the last few
• 1:24:41
  episodes. The mute deaf, how so?
• 1:24:46
  Oh yeah, cause she found out she found out.
• 1:24:48
  She was like, I'm gonna telling you guys if you don't pay me.
• 1:24:51
  For them. They killed her right?
• 1:24:53
  Yeah. And then they tried they framed
• 1:24:55
  hyunsoo for it, right? And that was like a whole nother
• 1:24:59
  thing in the final few episodes, right?
• 1:25:02
  Oh man, so much happened. Well, yeah, sorry.
• 1:25:05
  I don't know what I was thinking for that three years thing, so
• 1:25:09
  because that's why there was a cold period in those murders and
• 1:25:12
  then write the reason, the whole reason why his wife started
• 1:25:16
  investigated, the murder is, is because a new body showed up,
• 1:25:20
  mmm, Mmm. Okay, that makes sense, man.
• 1:25:26
  And I had it to I figured it out myself.
• 1:25:28
  Damn, okay. I like the flashback of them on
• 1:25:33
  their first date, like going back to the couple, which is
• 1:25:37
  early like an episode for. She says that everyone thinks
• 1:25:41
  they're already dating. And then he pretends he's like,
• 1:25:43
  no, I'm not interested in you and she counters with then.
• 1:25:47
  Why do you spend time with me on your day off and they play?
• 1:25:51
  Paper scissors, loser stands in the rain.
• 1:25:53
  She pushes him into the rain and she starts giggling and like
• 1:25:56
  laughing, and he finds himself smiling back for whatever
• 1:26:01
  reason. And I just found that very, very
• 1:26:04
  cute that interaction and his growing feelings for her,
• 1:26:08
  whether he realizes that they're growing feelings or not.
• 1:26:12
  I was a little bit taken aback by a lot of times he was turning
• 1:26:18
  around to see The Apparition of his father, with the eyes,
• 1:26:22
  completely black staring at him from across the street, or from
• 1:26:26
  wherever and I couldn't get a handle on it.
• 1:26:29
  I was like, is it the physical manifestation of his guilt or
• 1:26:33
  just a feeling that he doesn't deserve to be happy with a
• 1:26:37
  family history like that? Or is he just haunted by like
• 1:26:42
  his Killer father, who he was afraid of right.
• 1:26:47
  I couldn't figure it out. It ended up being that he kind
• 1:26:51
  of got with her because she banished the operation of his
• 1:26:56
  father, right? Yeah.
• 1:26:59
  So like what do you make of that?
• 1:27:02
  I think I mean I think it was a combination of everything that
• 1:27:05
  you did. You just described like He was
• 1:27:09
  never going to be able to get away from that whether the man
• 1:27:15
  was alive or dead, he was guilty about it, that was going to
• 1:27:18
  follow him for the rest of his life.
• 1:27:23
  And for whatever reason, muche could Give him peace.
• 1:27:30
  At least for a little bit from whatever that was Haunting him.
• 1:27:35
  And so, I think it was somewhat of a, like, actually happening
• 1:27:38
  to his character where he was seeing this guy, he was a little
• 1:27:43
  crazy, he was being haunted, whether it was a hallucination
• 1:27:48
  or not, but his father, but also, it was kind of a metaphor
• 1:27:51
  of, right his wife meeting her but also needing her in a way.
• 1:27:58
  You had be the anchor for a reality and be able to live at
• 1:28:03
  least a normal life and get away from his past and his history.
• 1:28:08
  I think it was kind of both. It was right his own character,
• 1:28:12
  but also a metaphor at the same time.
• 1:28:14
  Nice, I have my notes and I don't know who wrote this, but I
• 1:28:17
  guess it was me. She was the first person who
• 1:28:19
  believed in him and saw the best in him, loved him for all that
• 1:28:22
  he was and could be, she got rid of his dad lingering around him
• 1:28:25
  and allowed him to get some sort of closure, which is kind of
• 1:28:28
  What you said to about, finding some measure of Peace, which is
• 1:28:31
  really important for. I mean, anybody let alone this
• 1:28:35
  guy who's just been through so much.
• 1:28:41
  Yeah, I think there was a lot of kdrama isms that kind of irked
• 1:28:46
  me throughout the show like an episode 7.
• 1:28:49
  You have this wonderful couple and she's struggling so much
• 1:28:52
  with her feelings for him if she hates him, if she loves him
• 1:28:55
  whatever, and she takes him back to his father's metalworking
• 1:29:00
  shop, back in their Hometown, to try and find some of he'll
• 1:29:04
  ensues metalworking that was the excuse, right?
• 1:29:07
  And they end up back in the basement, where the murders
• 1:29:10
  happened, And she plays the cassette that supposedly
• 1:29:13
  triggers. He owns has manic episodes
• 1:29:17
  according to the child psychologist and he has a
• 1:29:20
  full-on panic attack. He's constantly having panic
• 1:29:24
  attacks throughout the show. Yeah.
• 1:29:27
  And stuff like, that was a little bit annoying to me
• 1:29:33
  because it just felt like this is pure like kdrama because I
• 1:29:38
  don't feel like that's necessarily believe.
• 1:29:41
  Well, for her to like go out to the middle of nowhere, no one
• 1:29:44
  knows where they are and she has suspicions of her husband being
• 1:29:49
  a murderer and still pulls herself.
• 1:29:52
  In this really compromising situation knowing better as a
• 1:29:56
  detective, and it's just like kind of all of these things just
• 1:30:01
  didn't match the way that her character was kind of smarter
• 1:30:05
  than that. I guess she was counting on her
• 1:30:09
  husband not being a murder, which he wasn't, but I guess not
• 1:30:13
  retaliating in any sort of way for putting him in a situation.
• 1:30:17
  That's very uncomfortable for anybody.
• 1:30:19
  Let alone. Let's consider that.
• 1:30:21
  Maybe he's just a normal guy and you take him back to the scene
• 1:30:24
  of his father's murderers. Like it was just so problematic
• 1:30:29
  to me, I don't know. I think at that point she was
• 1:30:33
  also so desperate to get answers though and Yeah, she was willing
• 1:30:40
  to do anything to trigger it. I see, I mean, to some extent,
• 1:30:46
  he didn't know either, so like it was both her trying to figure
• 1:30:51
  this out and trying to figure out if he was a killer or if he
• 1:30:56
  had killed anybody in the past. but also having to deal with the
• 1:31:01
  fact that he didn't really know, like, he didn't, he had been
• 1:31:08
  living this facade for so long that he kind of really kind of
• 1:31:12
  pushed stuff out of his Mind. And You didn't really know what
• 1:31:20
  he was dealing with or what. He was discovering again was
• 1:31:25
  real or not. So I think it was more of a
• 1:31:29
  yeah, it was to show kind of move the plot forward but I
• 1:31:33
  think it was also out of like desperation like she didn't
• 1:31:36
  really know what to do and couldn't really discover any
• 1:31:39
  more clues or anything. So this isn't way to yeah this
• 1:31:45
  was the way to hopefully move things forward and get some
• 1:31:48
  answers that They both clearly wanted.
• 1:31:52
  I liked the convert not conversation, but the argument
• 1:31:55
  that they have in episode 9, a lot better because he or she's
• 1:32:00
  kind of resolved out of spite to keep him as keep him in this
• 1:32:05
  identity, right? And she tells him finally that
• 1:32:10
  her feelings have changed that you know, if you started loving
• 1:32:13
  him for no reason that she can stop for no reason at all and
• 1:32:17
  that she knows her feelings. Not him, which is a particular
• 1:32:21
  job because he was reading her moods and wants and needs
• 1:32:25
  foryears, right? And she says that she hates him
• 1:32:29
  and he's like, why why why do you hate me if you hate me?
• 1:32:33
  Why are you crying as I think what he says?
• 1:32:36
  And she says, oh, because she can't say everything she wants
• 1:32:39
  to say, and she vows that she's going to leave him.
• 1:32:41
  They're going to, they're going to break up.
• 1:32:43
  It's just it's a breakup conversation and she tries to
• 1:32:47
  just kind of leave and say Say I'm going to work on this
• 1:32:50
  reopened case and he like walks into the room and he's like,
• 1:32:53
  we're not done here like we need, you need to, we need to
• 1:32:56
  talk this out and she realizes that she feels extreme empathy
• 1:33:02
  for the victims of the young Jew, serial killings now,
• 1:33:06
  because she's untethered from him and then she realizes that
• 1:33:10
  she could get through all of these, horrible things that
• 1:33:12
  she's witnessed as a detective because he made her life so
• 1:33:15
  wonderful at home. And she says, like it was you
• 1:33:18
  like, You're the reason why I could have done this job forever
• 1:33:22
  and I found that really profound I like these kind of more real
• 1:33:28
  moments because I feel like this was way more grounded to have
• 1:33:31
  them washing dishes and then just her kind of overcome and
• 1:33:35
  say, you know, I want to break up.
• 1:33:36
  I hate you and have all of these feelings bubble up within her
• 1:33:41
  and he's of course, really affected, you know, no matter
• 1:33:44
  what he says, like, I can't feel, I don't love her.
• 1:33:47
  Swearing that he doesn't love her and all this stuff.
• 1:33:49
  Tough but he's never loved her and that he's kind of just with
• 1:33:52
  her to keep a tabs on the situation and middle, it
• 1:33:55
  manipulate things when he needs to the reaction, to the
• 1:33:59
  something like this was very telling because he's like,
• 1:34:03
  frantic he doesn't know what to do.
• 1:34:04
  He doesn't want to be without her and you see that he is
• 1:34:07
  extremely attached to her at the very least and you just know
• 1:34:11
  inherently that he loves her even though he doesn't realize
• 1:34:15
  it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:17
  So I like that and then, yeah, I think. that also speaks to, he
• 1:34:22
  was He was also at a point where like he didn't know what he
• 1:34:27
  would do without again, the anger and how more like, how
• 1:34:33
  much more he would spiral out of control if she wasn't there.
• 1:34:38
  So I think that was also a part of the desperation in that
• 1:34:41
  argument. Yeah, definitely death for
• 1:34:44
  desperation. Then he calls a meeting the next
• 1:34:48
  day would like the journalist moved in and his sister about
• 1:34:51
  marriage fight that he had. And Like a mu Jin is basically
• 1:34:55
  like he crudely says out. You should just win her back by
• 1:34:58
  getting her gifts and yeah, just tell her you love her and stuff
• 1:35:01
  and then she'll forgive you. And what he takes away is that
• 1:35:05
  he just needs to get her a gift that she really wants.
• 1:35:08
  And he goes if I bring her the accomplice she will be thrilled
• 1:35:13
  but he says this was like a Sinister smile on his face and
• 1:35:16
  everyone in the room is a little bit like though because that's
• 1:35:19
  not the typical gift, you give your wife when you have an
• 1:35:22
  argument. But he is again not necessarily
• 1:35:27
  looking at this the way that he should.
• 1:35:29
  But right, I like this response. It's so unusual for him to be
• 1:35:35
  like, oh, get him. Like I'll get her the serial,
• 1:35:37
  the real serial killer, accomplice and then we can make
• 1:35:40
  up, right? Yeah.
• 1:35:43
  Which is kind of like childish as well, like a very childish
• 1:35:46
  thought, you know, a to because see, whatever.
• 1:35:50
  But the sister at this point says, She points out how much
• 1:35:54
  that he cares for G1 and he agrees like, oh yeah, she's very
• 1:35:58
  important to me and the sisters makes a distinction here and she
• 1:36:02
  says, no, she's precious to you. What's important?
• 1:36:06
  Will eventually end up becoming less important after some time.
• 1:36:10
  But what's precious breaks your heart?
• 1:36:13
  Yeah, I was like, fuck. Like the sister always coming in
• 1:36:15
  with these like one-liners. Well, I think the thing to do is
• 1:36:19
  again, it's Like he has always had to deal with trying to read
• 1:36:26
  people in terms of emotion, in terms of people's reactions in
• 1:36:30
  terms of what is appropriate when.
• 1:36:35
  Yeah, dealing with society and the sister has it.
• 1:36:39
  The sister. I never had the deal with what
• 1:36:44
  he had to do with because she knew that did not have the
• 1:36:46
  antisocial stuff, right? And I think that's also Telling
• 1:36:53
  of their relationship is like they're very close granted.
• 1:36:59
  The wife doesn't know about the sister for a long time.
• 1:37:02
  Girl, Hello time. And I think.
• 1:37:12
  In a way, the sister is like his human connection.
• 1:37:15
  Hmm. To society before he met the
• 1:37:19
  wife, right? And so he has a very interesting
• 1:37:25
  relationship with her because she as you just said, she has
• 1:37:30
  these one-liners that Are like no, you have to realize.
• 1:37:34
  This is what this means or no, this is your reaction.
• 1:37:38
  You should have to this situation.
• 1:37:40
  So and so forth, type thing and I think she was the wife's role
• 1:37:45
  before he met the wife. Very, very good point.
• 1:37:49
  Yes, I agree with you real quick.
• 1:37:52
  Let's talk about the sister. Now that we were already talking
• 1:37:53
  about her because I found her grading towards the end because
• 1:38:00
  all she seemed to do was be the Damsel in Distress and too many
• 1:38:07
  situations if you get my meaning where she was just kind of like
• 1:38:11
  not like dead weight on the team so to speak.
• 1:38:15
  And she was obviously going through a long season of
• 1:38:21
  depression, in her life and the interactions that she kept
• 1:38:24
  having with the journalist mujin were so fucking annoying to me.
• 1:38:30
  Because he Has literally give the when he broke up with her
• 1:38:38
  cruelly in the past and was like, oh yeah, you give me the
• 1:38:41
  creeps, right? And invoked the serial killer
• 1:38:44
  father, and was just like the townsfolk in shutting them,
• 1:38:48
  right? That was a deep deep cut on her
• 1:38:51
  and she keeps bringing it up to him, and he's trying to get her
• 1:38:56
  to forget it, right? And he doesn't quite understand
• 1:39:00
  like what she's going through ever.
• 1:39:03
  And he is still insist on like cock blocking her.
• 1:39:07
  Every time she wants to do the right thing and say that she
• 1:39:10
  killed the foreman back in the day and absolve him.
• 1:39:15
  So of all blame because he's continually taking the blame for
• 1:39:18
  her for that one murder. And every time you was like oh
• 1:39:23
  yeah you can't you can't do this stop crying.
• 1:39:27
  He was just very tone deaf when it came to her trauma.
• 1:39:33
  And you know, when he goes over to like see her house and the
• 1:39:35
  way she lives, she lives in the dark, she doesn't have, she
• 1:39:38
  doesn't change the light bulb didn't know, it was out.
• 1:39:41
  She just doesn't doesn't live a life in the light and he intends
• 1:39:50
  to he has Good Intentions by trying to fix her life
• 1:39:54
  essentially. And like, change the light bulb,
• 1:39:57
  and bring her a new lamp, so that she's not living in
• 1:40:00
  darkness. And she's It's like this.
• 1:40:03
  These are like superficial ways to fix depression, if you get my
• 1:40:06
  meaning. Uh-huh.
• 1:40:09
  If you can even fix her depression, right?
• 1:40:13
  And it felt very childish for him to kind of, it's like,
• 1:40:19
  someone's like I have no money to buy food and he's like, okay,
• 1:40:22
  I'll get you like a McDonald's for one meal.
• 1:40:26
  It's like, okay, that's not going to fix the issue, right?
• 1:40:29
  In fact, did you even hear what I said, right?
• 1:40:32
  So, I was very unsympathetic toward his puppy.
• 1:40:37
  Puppy, love that, he had toward the sister and honestly,
• 1:40:41
  couldn't fathom how he could still love her after 20 years.
• 1:40:49
  That was like an issue to meet you though.
• 1:40:51
  Of course he's still in love with her after 20 years.
• 1:40:53
  It's like another kdrama ISM, right?
• 1:40:57
  Yeah. She was like how it's been 20
• 1:40:59
  years get over and I'm like yes preach girl like tell him get
• 1:41:03
  over it. So I feel like he was definitely
• 1:41:07
  at fault for so much of it and threw a lot of stones at her and
• 1:41:13
  like didn't acknowledge he was like I'm not going to apologize
• 1:41:15
  for something that I did and I was like you should you should
• 1:41:19
  apologize to her. yeah, I mean I think.
• 1:41:28
  I think she was an interesting character because she lived with
• 1:41:32
  guilt herself. I mean, she dealt, she lived
• 1:41:36
  with what she did. To her brother, like her brother
• 1:41:41
  taking the blame for that. Affected his life for the rest
• 1:41:46
  of his life and then she felt that guilt because they couldn't
• 1:41:51
  see each other for a very long time.
• 1:41:54
  She like somewhat got to live a more normal life than he did.
• 1:42:02
  You do to him taking the blame for it and whatever.
• 1:42:07
  So she already was kind of punishing herself for that.
• 1:42:11
  Yeah. and, I agree with you. I didn't particularly like the
• 1:42:22
  reporter and how he went about. Yeah, the relationship and like,
• 1:42:30
  whatever. But I think his role was also to
• 1:42:33
  show that ok enough was enough. Like, she was punishing herself
• 1:42:37
  for 14 years, 15 years, mmm. And I think he played well,
• 1:42:43
  because of the brother thought the same thing, the brother Did
• 1:42:47
  not think she, it was warranted that she should punish herself
• 1:42:50
  for 16 years. She also agreed that she
• 1:42:52
  shouldn't go off running and putting yourself in these
• 1:42:55
  situations too. So I think he was trying to
• 1:42:59
  support each Eugene's character's perspective.
• 1:43:06
  But also just trying to show that girl.
• 1:43:10
  You punish yourself long enough? Like it's a good thing.
• 1:43:14
  He's gonna come out, everything's going to change.
• 1:43:17
  You can't really stop it at this point.
• 1:43:20
  Stop blaming yourself. There's a part of the
• 1:43:25
  journalists min-soo that he, he doesn't want to think that she
• 1:43:30
  can do anything bad as bad as murdering somebody.
• 1:43:33
  And so, every time she brings up the murder, he was kind of like
• 1:43:35
  oh yeah. But it's, you know, Never like
• 1:43:37
  he's kind of doesn't want to deal with it.
• 1:43:40
  And I won't Point towards the later episodes.
• 1:43:44
  She's set on going in and confessing to her crime.
• 1:43:48
  And here, it says that he'll let only let her go.
• 1:43:51
  If she feels guilty for killing the form and then that's a
• 1:43:53
  different story. Than, of course, you can go
• 1:43:57
  confessed her crime and she goes guilty, why would I feel guilty?
• 1:44:02
  And then she starts explaining that the foreman was the one
• 1:44:04
  that forced the brother to have the extra It's isms every three
• 1:44:07
  days and inciting, The Village neighbors.
• 1:44:10
  And messing up her brother and the head.
• 1:44:12
  So that he started seeing all these phantasms of the father
• 1:44:15
  and believing you as a monster. And that essentially minsu
• 1:44:20
  knows, absolutely fucking nothing about the situation.
• 1:44:23
  So like, what does he has? What state is?
• 1:44:25
  He have nothing, he shouldn't have any say in what she does.
• 1:44:29
  Yeah, I think the both of them, I think both of them like, both
• 1:44:33
  the sister and the brother want to protect each other.
• 1:44:36
  Yeah. For various reasons.
• 1:44:40
  And yeah, I think, yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:44:44
  Yeah, yeah. I was very unsympathetic towards
• 1:44:48
  journalism into a well, I think it was just it.
• 1:44:54
  I think it also came down like yes, he was needed for the plot
• 1:44:59
  and for that relationship with you June GE and all that stuff.
• 1:45:04
  But could the plot have done been the same without him at the
• 1:45:09
  same time. I think it was his
• 1:45:11
  characterization and the way that he was portrayed as this
• 1:45:16
  lovesick kind of dude who would do anything for the sister
• 1:45:19
  really hated the brother and was shoehorned into being a I'd kick
• 1:45:25
  in this Trio trying to solve this crime, alongside the cops
• 1:45:29
  who were kind of running in opposite directions, sometimes
• 1:45:32
  both of these groups. And he didn't want to deal at
• 1:45:37
  all with him. So he didn't like him at all.
• 1:45:40
  He don't want to understand him at all.
• 1:45:42
  And in say, in a sense he didn't want to understand the sister
• 1:45:48
  either. He just wanted to put her on a
• 1:45:50
  pedestal and keep her like this perfect.
• 1:45:54
  Vision that he's had for 20 years and nothing about her now
• 1:46:00
  and her Persona now fit with his image of her which was a problem
• 1:46:05
  to me so it's like he didn't really want her.
• 1:46:09
  He just I mean he just hate to say this but he just like the
• 1:46:12
  idea of her Yeah, I'm yeah. I would say.
• 1:46:17
  I would agree with that. Yeah.
• 1:46:20
  So it's not okay. I felt like that was not okay.
• 1:46:23
  So if they had written him a little bit different, I mean I
• 1:46:26
  guess this is more interesting to talk about, but I don't like
• 1:46:30
  it at all. It's left a bad feeling in my
• 1:46:32
  mouth. Am I?
• 1:46:34
  Well bad taste in my mouth. Bad feeling in my heart, right?
• 1:46:38
  Right? Because mouths don't have
• 1:46:40
  feelings. Okay.
• 1:46:45
  The caregivers murder. They framed.
• 1:46:48
  Yeon-soo She goes, the wife goes to a rest kyungsoo at their
• 1:46:55
  house. And I didn't understand this is
• 1:46:58
  like, episode 13 or so, because she all of a sudden does feel
• 1:47:02
  like she needs to bring him in. Why?
• 1:47:04
  Why is she now trusting all of the all of their detective work
• 1:47:08
  will clear his name. It didn't make sense when she
• 1:47:12
  was really avoiding him going to confess his identity going to
• 1:47:16
  confess, any sort of crime going in for questioning.
• 1:47:20
  She was like avoiding this at all costs and now she's like you
• 1:47:22
  got to come in and handcuffs him and he has this horrible
• 1:47:25
  flashback of his father saying love is a very Sly feeling.
• 1:47:30
  It's really cunning. It gives you an illusion that it
• 1:47:32
  can solve everything. Then leaves an acute sense of
• 1:47:35
  betrayal. In the end in time, if you feel
• 1:47:37
  the urge to trust someone that means you're becoming weak and
• 1:47:41
  he goes Fucking off the rails. Like he that's when he holds a
• 1:47:45
  knife to her throat and it says whole thing.
• 1:47:50
  He I think this was important that he asked her.
• 1:47:53
  Do you even believe me that I didn't do this murder that.
• 1:47:56
  I'm not this murderer and she's just like what and never says,
• 1:48:01
  no. I don't think that you did all
• 1:48:03
  this. I totally believe you.
• 1:48:04
  I'm on your side and that's when he like, really just loses it.
• 1:48:09
  And he's like, I'm never going to trust anyone again and puts a
• 1:48:12
  knife to her throat and it becomes this weird hostage
• 1:48:16
  situation where she like wants to go with him and they end up
• 1:48:19
  at this hotel. Room to, like, call the
• 1:48:21
  trafficker and all this shit goes down.
• 1:48:24
  I wanted a little more that he stuck to his guns and was truly
• 1:48:28
  against her at that point, but that wasn't the case at all.
• 1:48:31
  Is just kind of for show for the cameras and for the cops to
• 1:48:34
  believe that, you know, she was actually taken and all that
• 1:48:39
  shit. I wanted a little more steaks
• 1:48:42
  because it was just fleeting. I had a question though because
• 1:48:46
  they were in a hotel room, they left with nothing but the
• 1:48:48
  clothes on their back from the house and they were handcuffed
• 1:48:50
  to each other. So how the hell did they get a
• 1:48:53
  laptop in there to record and take notes on the interaction?
• 1:48:59
  They had with the trafficker on the phone?
• 1:49:03
  I was very confused while is this, is that you're talking
• 1:49:07
  about the sister in him or you're talking about the wife
• 1:49:10
  and him, know, the wife in him end up at a hotel and she cooks
• 1:49:15
  they're handcuffed together by this time, right?
• 1:49:18
  Right, right. Right, right.
• 1:49:19
  And they call the trafficker to try set up a deal.
• 1:49:22
  And where do they get the this? There's like suddenly they have
• 1:49:26
  a laptop. Go, I'm genuinely confused.
• 1:49:34
  I don't remember. Okay, it's okay, it's okay.
• 1:49:39
  Episode 15. We're getting to the end yunsung
• 1:49:42
  I think is his name? The real villain?
• 1:49:46
  Yeah, he song. Sorry, he sung ends up back at
• 1:49:49
  the basement layer and he sniffs the air.
• 1:49:53
  Do you remember this? He sniffs the air and he's like,
• 1:49:57
  like he smells something good. And it's just dead body smell
• 1:50:02
  like old blood stench in the basement and everyone's
• 1:50:07
  commenting on. Oh it smells like heavily of
• 1:50:09
  blood in here and it's really disgusting.
• 1:50:11
  He smells it and he's like, oh yeah, good shit.
• 1:50:17
  It's disgusting. It's awful.
• 1:50:22
  But the point where he tells them, he killed his wife, I
• 1:50:26
  think it's another pivotal moment cuz you know, he's
• 1:50:28
  desperate, he calls the police station to confirm this whole
• 1:50:32
  scene of him freaking out because he thinks that the
• 1:50:37
  serial accomplice, serial killer accomplice and killed his wife
• 1:50:41
  kill jiwon was very Romeo and Juliet because the, I mean, it
• 1:50:47
  was like a miscommunication. Obviously, she's not dead.
• 1:50:51
  It's just a ruse and it was Even had like a I defy you Stars
• 1:50:58
  moment when he's crying and double over like he just
• 1:51:03
  resolves to to kill him to kill. The the guy, our boys to kill to
• 1:51:11
  kill Kenji. Thank you, King, like Dad that
• 1:51:14
  epic fight in the, in the basement.
• 1:51:17
  Yeah, they had to fight in the basement, then he gets out and
• 1:51:20
  starts chasing him through the woods, right?
• 1:51:22
  With a knife and slicing him up whenever he sees him, right?
• 1:51:28
  And one thing that I thought was weird was given June's character
• 1:51:31
  was like, you crazy psycho. And I'm like, what?
• 1:51:38
  That's like the pot calling the kettle black like it.
• 1:51:40
  Right. But I mean, in all reality
• 1:51:43
  kimchi, who never thought he was a psycho, he enjoyed ever
• 1:51:46
  thought he was like, never He? He enjoy like he just did not
• 1:51:53
  real like he thought he was Untouchable.
• 1:51:56
  Mmm. Yeah.
• 1:51:58
  And so the fact that you June GE is fighting back is chasing him,
• 1:52:03
  is hurting him, is like not really having the upper hand but
• 1:52:09
  like Potentially having the upper hand that never occurred
• 1:52:14
  to ever happen to him, like he never thought that would happen.
• 1:52:22
  I, Somewhere in between that he was like I'm gonna win no matter
• 1:52:27
  what even if you become a killer just like your dad and even if
• 1:52:30
  you leave me to enter the system and spend the rest of my life in
• 1:52:35
  prison. Like, I win somewhere inside
• 1:52:38
  that and the Caged last victim min-suk actually begging.
• 1:52:44
  Our boy EG not to kill the serial killer, right?
• 1:52:48
  To telling the OG serial killer to run.
• 1:52:52
  Because he's gonna get slaughtered by this, very upset
• 1:52:57
  husband, right? Like somewhere inside there I
• 1:53:00
  was like this is weird. What the victim is telling the
• 1:53:07
  guy to like the person that was a going to kill her.
• 1:53:12
  Yeah, I think it comes down to the fact that they didn't want
• 1:53:15
  you g to turn into the person, everybody thought it was going
• 1:53:17
  to be right. I think they just it just he had
• 1:53:23
  fought for so long 15 years or so.
• 1:53:28
  To not be the kid, the village thought he was going to become
• 1:53:33
  and not become his father and not become everything.
• 1:53:36
  People were saying he was going to, so to be in a moment where
• 1:53:40
  he potentially could do that and could kill somebody and could
• 1:53:45
  make what those predictions come to fruition.
• 1:53:51
  Kim do Jin did not want to see that in front of him, like did
• 1:53:54
  not want to see that happened and I mean, I think he could
• 1:53:57
  tell that Young Soo was like breaking like he was desperate
• 1:54:04
  and whether and in that moment that was the only way out for
• 1:54:07
  him. Like he potentially had to kill
• 1:54:12
  this person who was a trying to kill mujin, which he obviously
• 1:54:17
  didn't want to happen, but also potentially trying to kill him.
• 1:54:20
  And I mean, I think I remember him threatening to go after his
• 1:54:23
  daughter and his wife to like, Well, in that moment, when he's
• 1:54:28
  like, oh yeah, gloat. Being that he killed his wife,
• 1:54:30
  right? He says I left your daughter
• 1:54:32
  alone. I wouldn't I wouldn't stoop that
• 1:54:34
  low. And I was like, well, hold on
• 1:54:37
  your, your levels of stooping or way skewed because write to me.
• 1:54:43
  You've stooped. As low as you can go homie.
• 1:54:46
  Yeah. So I think, I think him hearing
• 1:54:48
  that, his wife is dead, broke it because oh yeah, absolutely was
• 1:54:52
  so desperate for the 13/14 episodes to not have that
• 1:54:56
  happen. Yeah, and have her leave.
• 1:54:59
  And have her discover the secret.
• 1:55:01
  So That desperation of potentially.
• 1:55:07
  He essentially thought he killed his wife, he thought he was
• 1:55:10
  like, it was my fault. It's my, it's my doing that.
• 1:55:15
  She is now dead because I've lived this facade for 15 years
• 1:55:20
  and hit all these secrets and this guy, I took this guy's
• 1:55:25
  identity and now he was on the Revenge path to get back at me
• 1:55:28
  and kill everything. I love and now that she's dead.
• 1:55:31
  He won. So I have nothing to lose.
• 1:55:34
  Mmm. Granted, he has the daughter but
• 1:55:36
  like he wasn't. Thinking like that, like his
• 1:55:39
  anchor died. So he had nothing.
• 1:55:45
  To keep him sane anymore and I think Moon jae-in also knew that
• 1:55:50
  too. Like he knew oh God, she's dead.
• 1:55:55
  That is not good because he has nothing keeping him sane
• 1:55:59
  anymore, right? Do you mean min-seok the the
• 1:56:03
  victim that was in the cage? Yeah, then it's okay.
• 1:56:06
  Sorry. I'd like, I don't know why.
• 1:56:08
  I keep saying mooji mooji in is the journalists on.
• 1:56:11
  Yeah, them. I don't know why I keep saying
• 1:56:13
  the journalist. Okay.
• 1:56:15
  Yeah, in my notes I have we have here a descent into madness with
• 1:56:20
  him hunting, the accomplice, The Unsung, all through the woods.
• 1:56:24
  He sees his father They're walking ahead and follows his
• 1:56:26
  path which is very on the nose. Like I don't know.
• 1:56:32
  There's like a Nuance went out the door for the last couple of
• 1:56:36
  episodes like I don't know, it just was too easy.
• 1:56:44
  Yeah, I think well, I think that was one is like one.
• 1:56:48
  I mean, obviously the writers knew they were going to do the
• 1:56:50
  Amnesia thing in episode 16. So there was only so much.
• 1:56:54
  As they add, we didn't know at the time but there was a
• 1:56:58
  timeline. They need to meet in order for
• 1:57:01
  all of that to happen. I think it also showed the
• 1:57:06
  descent into madness that you Jun.
• 1:57:09
  Jie's character was doing and slipping and having I mean
• 1:57:16
  granted we saw that timeline throughout the entire drama but
• 1:57:19
  the closer you got to the end, the more of that was being
• 1:57:22
  revealed crumbling away. Hallucinations were getting
• 1:57:26
  worse and worse, that type of stuff.
• 1:57:29
  Mmm. So I think it seemed rushed
• 1:57:33
  because I think Li Jie's character was sort of being
• 1:57:39
  bombarded at the same. I like that.
• 1:57:42
  Okay, I'm going to go with that and kind of get a little bit of
• 1:57:46
  slack, but I was, I'm still a little bit like, I understand, I
• 1:57:49
  understand. Yeah, I do think that.
• 1:57:52
  I've come to the end of my nose. Oats.
• 1:57:54
  I have the closing quote from Who do I have?
• 1:58:01
  Who is this? I think it's a sister.
• 1:58:02
  So, the sisters in jail. Do you want?
• 1:58:04
  The wife goes to see her. And the sister says, since I met
• 1:58:08
  you, I've come to believe one thing.
• 1:58:11
  The pain were experiencing right now is just a step.
• 1:58:14
  We need to go through to accept, more things later on in life,
• 1:58:17
  but I still hope you feel less pain and I was like, that's very
• 1:58:23
  just like, she's like the guru of this show despite having her
• 1:58:28
  own issues He seems to have a good grasp on life.
• 1:58:32
  And this final quote was really nice, I feel ya to kind of wrap
• 1:58:37
  up everything that, you know, the pain now is just a step in
• 1:58:42
  the direct, the positive direction that later.
• 1:58:44
  It's not going to matter and you know, I hope you feel less pain.
• 1:58:50
  I think you. Yeah, I think she was talking
• 1:58:52
  like yes, it was said towards the sister which was very well,
• 1:58:57
  was the sister that said it to her.
• 1:58:59
  The wire G1. Yes, I think I think the sister
• 1:59:02
  said it to the wife. Which at the moment the wife
• 1:59:07
  needed to hear. Hmm.
• 1:59:09
  I think at the same time it was that quote Was a Common Thread
• 1:59:15
  that a lot of characters needed to hear throughout this drama,
• 1:59:18
  including herself including herself.
• 1:59:21
  So she probably was talking to herself at some point as well by
• 1:59:25
  say agree. Yeah.
• 1:59:27
  I agree. Alright.
• 1:59:29
  Do you have also want to talk? Okay, I do want to say so one of
• 1:59:35
  the best scenes that I loved was the whole pool scene.
• 1:59:39
  Did you like that? Pull, say I love the pink.
• 1:59:45
  Yeah. We come full circle with that
• 1:59:47
  one because I think that's the intro scene.
• 1:59:49
  Yeah that was pretty. It was pretty much like I think
• 1:59:54
  it was episode 45. Yeah it happened when it
• 1:59:59
  actually happened within the timeline of the show, right?
• 2:00:04
  Was I think yeah like episode 7 or something.
• 2:00:10
  No for early. I see it was early.
• 2:00:14
  It was early. Yeah for yeah I love that song.
• 2:00:19
  I liked I liked one I always I was like man he's doing like I
• 2:00:25
  don't know how I mean obviously it's not like he was under the
• 2:00:28
  water for the entire scene like they're obviously going to be
• 2:00:30
  like shooting but like just be the way they shot it.
• 2:00:34
  He was doing his own little stunt thing in the Are the wife
• 2:00:38
  going in the to save him? The desperate attempt to revive
• 2:00:42
  him like that type of thing. I love that whole action scene
• 2:00:46
  with both her and the husband. But also with the, the cops that
• 2:00:49
  came with her and the fighting that happened was, yeah, there's
• 2:00:52
  like fighting one guy gets shanked.
• 2:00:54
  Yeah, Taxi Driver dies because he's the one that kidnapped him.
• 2:00:59
  There's a lot of extraneous characters that are somehow
• 2:01:03
  related to the cases and the victims and the taxi driver was
• 2:01:07
  like one of them. I really like the pool scene.
• 2:01:11
  I thought it would happen later in the show because of course
• 2:01:13
  you have this intro scene in your kind of waiting for this
• 2:01:16
  Almighty pool scene to happen. Happens super early in the show
• 2:01:20
  right at the end of episode 4 and that's his first brush with
• 2:01:26
  deaf and right I mean he survives he was also in a coma
• 2:01:30
  after that one. Yeah.
• 2:01:31
  To I think I think what was I think?
• 2:01:35
  What I liked about that scene so much to It was like our my first
• 2:01:41
  real. Clue on how crazy this show
• 2:01:49
  could get and would get because I think it happened so early on.
• 2:01:54
  Because like the back end of this drama is just absolutely
• 2:01:57
  nuts and Bonkers and like, secret re being revealed after
• 2:02:02
  secret and like, all these stuff you have a guy that was in a
• 2:02:05
  coma for 17 years getting up and walking.
• 2:02:09
  Yeah, you know, regular stuff and I think that's why I like I
• 2:02:13
  like the scene so much because it was a really early.
• 2:02:18
  Like, it was entertaining, it was a crazy Scene.
• 2:02:20
  It was kind of a clue of how crazy this show could get.
• 2:02:24
  And would ginn's it was, it was awesome.
• 2:02:30
  Well that and also when you were speaking earlier of like they
• 2:02:33
  had tropes but it like turned the Trope on the head, it wasn't
• 2:02:37
  the wife and the water. It wasn't like it was.
• 2:02:41
  Another wife cop being saved or a puppy dog copying shanked or
• 2:02:46
  whatever it was. The older gentleman being
• 2:02:49
  shanked, while the puppy dog cop was coming in and trying to save
• 2:02:53
  him. Like I love the reversal of
• 2:02:54
  roles and that as well at you and the puppy dog.
• 2:02:58
  Cop kills, the serial killer Acropolis at the end of the show
• 2:03:01
  as well. He's the one that shoots him
• 2:03:02
  dead. Yeah, that the seasoned
• 2:03:05
  experienced hard-headed, right? Instinct driven, cop, who was
• 2:03:10
  actually that dude was in Vincenzo's.
• 2:03:13
  Well, hmm. One thing I do say at the end,
• 2:03:16
  And where the where Kim ji hoons character like gets the gun off
• 2:03:21
  the cop and like shoes, I'd that was one scene where I was like
• 2:03:24
  come on really? Yeah.
• 2:03:27
  Like this was the worst that I could take down that they could
• 2:03:32
  have died. Then we sent likely.
• 2:03:34
  I did think they would fall off the cliff.
• 2:03:37
  I found they were I thought they were going to go that direction
• 2:03:39
  for a while. I thought that once the cops
• 2:03:41
  showed up and there was all of this tension, what was going to
• 2:03:44
  break the tension, was the serial killer?
• 2:03:46
  Accomplice throwing him off the cliff, right?
• 2:03:50
  Or going his heap of them over. Yeah, true.
• 2:03:53
  That's what I thought was going to happen.
• 2:03:54
  Yeah, I thought bully. That's what I thought.
• 2:03:56
  That's what I thought. Okay.
• 2:03:57
  So, we both have the same insect never happened.
• 2:04:00
  Yeah. Someone gets shot.
• 2:04:02
  Yeah, I did not think I did not think.
• 2:04:06
  That I mean I knew something was going to happen.
• 2:04:09
  That scene. I did not predict how it played
• 2:04:11
  out but because again, that was episode 14, like, add two more
• 2:04:16
  episode, 14, 15. I was like, there's too much of
• 2:04:19
  this story. There's something else I has to
• 2:04:20
  happen with this. So I mean I knew that wasn't
• 2:04:24
  gonna be the end or anything like that.
• 2:04:26
  But have some serious qualms with the pacing of the last
• 2:04:28
  three episodes. Yeah.
• 2:04:31
  Yeah. You're like yeah, but still you
• 2:04:34
  would recommend this show Oh absolutely.
• 2:04:37
  It was a fun ride. It like definitely definitely
• 2:04:41
  would recommend the show. Got you God.
• 2:04:44
  Yeah. Bear I think I would recommend
• 2:04:46
  it to. I think it's it's kind of old
• 2:04:49
  school in the way that it's set up.
• 2:04:51
  But then you have, you know, a lot of role reversals and in a
• 2:04:55
  lot of the same tropes and it's fun and wild and kind of deep on
• 2:05:01
  certain levels. The relationships really
• 2:05:03
  something to behold and Acting is really good.
• 2:05:08
  I don't know. I don't know if I would ever
• 2:05:10
  watch this again. Truly, I would, I probably
• 2:05:13
  would? Yeah.
• 2:05:15
  Yeah, because it but this is your genre as well.
• 2:05:18
  I don't think that's necessarily my.
• 2:05:20
  I mean, it also is very telling when multiple countries are
• 2:05:23
  planning on remaking it to, that's true as well.
• 2:05:26
  What was the most recent one that said they were going to
• 2:05:28
  remake It? Well, India said it, India.
• 2:05:33
  India definitely did it. And I think Phil, Pins just
• 2:05:36
  announced to I want to say or they already.
• 2:05:40
  Did it something like that? Oh my God I know at least two
• 2:05:43
  countries said they were redoing.
• 2:05:44
  It would not be surprised if America so that's okay.
• 2:05:48
  So we had to come back together to review flowers of evil
• 2:05:52
  Philippines addition its release.
• 2:05:58
  Oh man. Okay okay Caitlin.
• 2:06:01
  Is there anything else you'd like to say we've been here over
• 2:06:03
  two hours is there anything else you'd like to say about?
• 2:06:06
  A flower people. My name were been here for two
• 2:06:08
  hours. I think we had said enough.
• 2:06:10
  I could go on about it though. You could.
• 2:06:12
  Oh God, my good. But we need to stop somewhere,
• 2:06:17
  don't know. But like talk to us on social
• 2:06:20
  media. I think we can continue this
• 2:06:22
  conversation on, like, on a one-on-one for a lot of people
• 2:06:24
  who have more to say or want to talk to Kaitlyn, but whatever
• 2:06:29
  else she has to talk about flowery.
• 2:06:31
  I'm just so entertained. By the fact they have more to
• 2:06:33
  say possibly. Yeah.
• 2:06:35
  But Yes, please contact us at ATC, that way pod and Caitlin
• 2:06:41
  your handle is at no sleep for the number for dramas and you
• 2:06:46
  are very active on Twitter as well, be right?
• 2:06:49
  Okay. So is it fair to say you
• 2:06:52
  interact more on Twitter than on Instagram?
• 2:06:54
  Oh, no, I'm pretty much the same on both, I will.
• 2:07:00
  I will interact with whoever whatever platform you feel more
• 2:07:03
  comfortable, on Twitter, or Instagram.
• 2:07:05
  Caitlin is all hear about ready to talk about flowers of evil.
• 2:07:10
  And so my, to a certain extent left it all on the dance floor,
• 2:07:14
  so, to speak. Thank you so much Kalin for
• 2:07:18
  coming and talking at length, about flower of evil and being
• 2:07:22
  game to to do this ride, this thing again, Caitlin.
• 2:07:27
  Thank you. Anytime anytime I love Take
• 2:07:30
  about stuff. So yeah.
• 2:07:31
  Yes, this is good. This is entertaining.
• 2:07:34
  All right, we're going to get out of here.
• 2:07:36
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