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Tom Cunningham (Of The Trusted) | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #131 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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podcast. Today's guest is the lead,
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singer of the indie, rock band, The Trusted, his name is Tom
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Cunningham, welcome to the show. Tom a, did you go and then
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you're right? Very good, very good.
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I'm very excited to have you on the show.
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I've been following you guys for quite some time on Tick Tock,
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and we'll get to that in a little bit.
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But firstly, I just kind of want to delve straight into how you
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first got into music because I think that what you guys are
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doing Is pretty interesting as far as who your influences are.
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There's a few other people even people have had on the show
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before who were kind of inspired by that early 2000s Vibe.
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But it's not something that you see a lot and I don't know, I
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kind of feel like you're onto something with here but what's
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your kind of like musical Journey?
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How did you kind of get into this initially?
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So for me personally it's been like a, like a lifelong thing.
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I come from quite a musical family, my parents.
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Parents can't play any instruments, but that they're
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like, especially my dad is a big music nerd.
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And so growing up, I was kind of injected with lots of different
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things. And so for me, like I've been
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surrounded by my entire life and that the big point for the ice
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to perform on a little kicks. I was when I was up to three
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years old, I was obsessed with the movie.
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The Blues Brothers movie was upset, I love that film.
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Nice, dress up as blue drivers and performing a front room.
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It was like my thing. Mmmmm.
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And then when I was seven I was I was taken CEO.
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Peter Gabriel, oh, which you know, who.
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And I remember toss-up second row.
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And I'm, but I was about 7 years old and I'm coming at that
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keeping going. That's why I wanted only do
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that, and that was it. And so, I would and I was.
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Yeah. And like I said, I get, I
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couldn't sing at all. Still can't sing but you know,
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but getting it and then I got some singing lessons and kind of
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started working away in that way, really.
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And I've been doing Skipper, since Keegan in playing and I go
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to my first fan when I was about 12 school.
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Hmm. And if you've been in bands ever
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since then they've been in the, The Trusted the band that I'm
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in. At the moment us we formed in
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2016. So us force in 2016.
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So, yes, I've been surrounded by music my entire life and you
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know, I was exposed to David Bowie, very early on and who
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very early on. And so it kind of goes all the
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way back with me. And yes it's just my entire
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life. I've been surrounded by great
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noises so so so it's quite interesting to me.
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Where are The Trusted is at the moment because by all intents
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and purposes and don't take this the wrong way.
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When I first saw you guys start popping up on Tick Tock and
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stuff. I thought, okay, this spans just
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come together like it's just that, yes, new thing, it's this
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shows. You should never assume things,
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but I kind of looked at it and I said Okay cool.
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So that this these guys are come together.
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The trying to do something new. But if you've been gigging since
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2016 then and writing music, are you kind of like Hold it back on
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because I know you've got a record out now.
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So is it full length for an extended play?
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Just got we've got a few EVPs out from the very least, three
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p's if not would not release an album as of yet, okay.
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So are you holding out then to get like a deal or you looking
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to do it independently? We honest answers.
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We don't know. I think what we kind of form
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like like 2016 And we did about two years of constant Gideon and
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just being really some singles then and it's for us in this day
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and age, like singles and EPs, and shorter forms of content,
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more effective and we feel like, we'd only reason our, we felt
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the circumstances were, right? Whether that's independently or
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not, it's all down to where we are, where we are in terms of
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what people want up. If you want, we want to make
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medicine have and we're ready to make a statement of that.
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Is that we can, but we're not really do that just yet, but
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that no, yeah, I could change tomorrow that could change in 10
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years, you know, it's one of those things, you know, he is a
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very interesting point because I'm seeing a lot of major
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artists doing the same thing. Like, I mean, sometimes
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frustrating these so luck, I'll see someone like, I don't know,
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I'm a big fan of Mac DeMarco for example, and he just, he'll just
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throw random stuff out not doing anything and I'm, like, come on
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man. But, you know, you desperately
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Want them to and that that's good.
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It speaks a lot to having like a fandom and stuff but sometimes
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sometimes I wonder if you know gone are the days of fully full
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album because obviously when we were growing up you know it was
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quite a common thing like your album was essentially telling
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the story. You know.
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I think back to for example just off the top of my head you may
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recall Red Hot Chili Peppers, released a double album in
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nothing like 2005 or something. For those who don't know, like
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it had songs on it like Dani California and a few others but
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like that was a whole thing that you'd you'd get in one go you
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know which which sounds insane like twenty four songs.
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All-in-one like it's unheard of like when you compare it to now
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where you'd be lucky to even get you, no force on one extreme or
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the other. That some people they release
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really small things that singles are UPS or like stupidly long
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albums, like real flowers, look at like the 1975 release an
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album about two years ago. Now the last hour, it was like
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22 tracks long and then a big Thief is putting our map.
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That's up 20 tracks long and trade point out loud.
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That was like you know I think things over 18 tracks or
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something like that but I think like to see either that or small
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you're not getting me like, you know, stand like Tim's on ours
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as much anymore. Don't think I think it's evil.
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Singles, or just like that gigantic law during size albums.
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Do you sort of think you're still?
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Creating your site. Like I know that might sound
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like a really obvious question but like what?
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As soon as I listen to a few of your songs, for some reason,
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straight away. What I heard was Muse like I
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don't know why maybe it's the Baseline that could be that and
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also just as I sort of mentioned earlier like that early 2000s
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kind of vibe where for those who don't know something I would say
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early. So from 2002 to about 2005,
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there were just maybe like the Kind of Revival of UK rock.
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Yeah. And then it after that kind of
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dissipated and, you know yeah, we'll just kind of hoping for a
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rock come back, but that was kind of like the last hurrah but
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for a lot of rock bands at least in the UK.
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So are you trying to kind of do like a, like a Revival with that
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or you just trying to experiment like, what what's the missions?
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It's a strange one because we kind of won't first point.
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The new sink our lead guitarist is like the world's biggest As
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for, who's like, you know, that kind of seeps in, I think, in
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terms of Lifestyle, we're kind of, I don't know, we're kind of,
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we're so close to the band. It will all four of us have got
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a headset of in the ground with it.
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And I think like, we don't quite know what we're doing.
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We're kind of just like making the music that we want to hear
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ourselves. We know we've got hundreds of
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demos and we've got songs that kind of really Span the salt was
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on ra and we kind of all over the place and I think it is then
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as well. You find a lot more bands and
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artists are kind of doing this kind of maximalist approach to
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music with a kind of releasing EPS albums where the Styles
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change within the album and it was when each song.
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So that's quite interesting way to go and I think that's kind of
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influence a lot from salt pepper.
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What hip-hop dance was hit pop especially modern hip hop is
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kind of very much. It's even though Oh, it's hip
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hop. It's kind of genre snake.
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It takes bits from like rock, bits from Jazz bits of, you
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know, bits of like Funk and reggae and kind of mix it
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together. You know, if you feel a sample
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in order to thrive instruments and I think I'm noticing some
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rock and pop acts kind of taking a leaf out that book doing the
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same thing. So for us and we redo
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everything, you know, and I think what Spotify is done and
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streaming has allowed us to do is give us access to like, every
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song I love the song, but I think it's it's and it means
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that, you know, it's we get bombarded.
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All these different sounds and styles of the time.
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And I think that really has enough has had an effect on how
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we met music. So it's like, you know, even
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though it says Rockets should be at the core, it is rock music,
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it's indie rock music by thing. Like, it's still quite, you
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know, flimsy and it's kind of built over the place of chaotic.
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And I think that's that kind of like the new rock and roll was
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kind of like music. That's kind of, because it
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really got home. And that's kind of what we're
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doing. We were just kind of just Making
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whatever comes into our head and whether that, you know, and I
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still ask it. Still my voice is still at the
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still with the same sort of like, characteristics, but it's
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not like completely glued in one place.
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That's kind of what we want to do.
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Really, so you mentioned earlier, you had to kind of like
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two solid years gigging sort of from 2016 to about 2018.
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Yeah, own words. So then I guess you took a
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little bit of a break there and then obviously pandemic here.
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Now things are sort of In to return to normal.
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So where are you guys at, with regards to that?
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Like, and we'll get, we'll get to tick tock in a second, but I
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just kind of want to know What the plan is kind of you guys as
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of right now, because I've seen that you've got these touring
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dates in the UK, you know, you're being active cross all
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fronts, but where are yours or heads up right now with regards
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to everything? I mean, I guess it's like it's
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like the more you look at the plan, the more complex it gets.
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If you look at the core of the plan, the plan is just left it
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as reached many people as we can and kind of bring people on
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board with what we do. And obviously like obviously
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when covid here we were, we were born alive.
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Been before we went to studio recording and then we played
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live tons first. And I still think to this day,
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we are alive band. That is where we live.
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We live on stage and I think with the best when we're live.
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And so it was we're in the pandemic here that was taken
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away from us by its kind of adapt, but I think like now
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where come out come out the pepper currently a very end.
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I think the plant moments to get back out there you know back on
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the road back pain gives again and just keep building really
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you know for us it's like I think this day and age is about
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building building a building slowly building other time you
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know we have this kind of weird thing about in our heads about
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how to make it. It's pretty down to like
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watching the films and documentaries where like you
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know this guy's and the Barney's paying one song then suddenly
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like an A&R man walks in and goes and then you know it's like
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oh look we're Fucking the main stage at Wembley, you know, but
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I think like, and everyone gets kind of sold that idea of how it
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works. But I think you start to realize
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the best way to do is to build slowly and just find new ways of
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getting music out there. Now, getting music out there is
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hard enough as it is such a noise.
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So you've got to kind of use every tool at your, at your
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disposal, to kind of push things forward.
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And so like, we used to To lie was our main thing.
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Now we've got all these other things out of supposed as well.
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So for us just the plan is just to build, build, build, build,
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and Reach people. And we'll how do we do that?
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We'll do that. You know it's just about
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building. This will be honest, this leads
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us quite nicely into a Segway with regards to tick, tock I
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mean that's probably a mass. I mean I've been really
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impressed I must say with was how you guys have used.
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I have a couple of questions regards to this, but firstly I
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guess what I want to know is Overall, would you say it's been
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kind of a good resource for you and in general for musicians
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because a lot of the musicians I've had on the show have kind
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of mixed opinions on this. I have mixed opinions to.
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I mean, for example, on the negative side, some people say
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like they don't want to kind of be like a tick tock band per se,
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but then other people just see it.
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As hey, you know what, you get your face out there, you get
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your music out there, it gets recognized.
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And of course, as We Know, Songs that go viral tend to be used on
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apps like tectonic that tends to be how they even sometimes
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really really old songs are there was there was one song
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from like the early 2000s that suddenly picked up a bunch of
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traction. I think it's like some American
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band on. Yes, lots of sort of old, so
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yeah. But for you, I mean, what we all
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your kind of thoughts on ticked up for musicians, so, One of my
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good friends, he's not a musician.
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Was it was an early adopter of tip not making Tick-Tock just
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reviewing tick-tocks and I remember not seeing any thirst
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Tick-Tock right back and that's what 2019 when it's just
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starting to kind of, you know, pick up and I was bit like what
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is this? And then I think if an in sort
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of like early 2020, our still thinking, like this is not
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really suitable for what we're doing is kind of kids that if
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you like an app for like he was either dance or like, you know,
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kids to like reacting And a dog. Well, I start to notice more and
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more bands using it and our drummer was like, yo, you got,
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we gotta get on ticked off and I was like, I'm not doing it.
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I'm not going Tick-Tock like I'm not, I'm not a comedian, I'm not
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a dancer, you know, that's just what I'm gonna do and in the end
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they got to the point where it's like is unavoidable and then I
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got on there and I for us it's been brilliant.
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Like it's like we've found so many new fans.
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Through Tick-Tock and our listens on all the streaming
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platforms of like God, you know, be boosted massively and its
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really reached a lot people. And the way I rationalize it to
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talk is so if you pretend that sort of like pop music stars, if
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the Beatles and it will be sort of 50s and 60s, right?
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So we've had like a good like 60 70 years off like you know,
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modern day pop music. Everyone knows how bands were
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I'll sing the whole like, you know cool Posey.
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I want to be mysterious and course we've all seen that so
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you can't for people anymore. People know how it works.
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People know that the Missed The Mystery Band thing isn't working
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more. Seen it done it.
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It's just again to me the new way that to be authentic is just
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to be completely honest and completely like take the makeup
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off and all this stuff with you on Tick-Tock.
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It's but first of all, it's all ironic all in there.
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With everything that we make is completely ironic is all built
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on a sense of Flight irony with not Not only was taking the
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Mickey out of being a musician but also taking care of
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ourselves and the whole thing. And I think like all and all the
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jokes you make of jokes that we make as a band between each
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other. So we just do what we do in a
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rehearsal room but on a bigger scale like in front of more
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people. And so that's how I
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rationalized. I'm like, I'm just being ironic
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and and just showing everyone that what we are and I think
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it's a great tool. I think it's brilliant.
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I think. I loved it talking and I've got
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my crops with it. Like I think, you know,
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sometimes the reach and get wild Westy enzymes the reach.
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But sometimes, you know, you spend hours making something,
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you seem like three people ever times.
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You spend like, eight seconds of the video and get seen by like a
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trillion people, but when it works it's fantastic.
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And it's it evens. The playing field because you
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got like bands that and Radiohead on there and you to on
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there and they're getting the same engagement as we are.
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In terms of like you know, not me.
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Look at that. They get like you know, 3,000
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Views on this video, we're going 3,000 videos using this video
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and getting the same amount of likes and comments like even the
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playing field because Tip-Top doesn't care who you are.
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I only cares about the content you're making.
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Hmm and for us, but for and I've just going to, you know, a
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useful tool to kind of like on we just use Tick-Tock as a talk.
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It's at all to get our music out there.
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That's all it is for us, which not, we don't be ticked up,
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whatever. It's just another way to push
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the songs because you know people, you know, I could do
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every video. Poor trusted.
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So underneath it and do video and if like you know 3,000
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people with you it and 10 people go, that's good song, that's
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ten, new people who listen to our song.
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If you do that every single day it just thrust just it's just
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it's been great. It's been great.
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It actually thrust it's worth, it's working.
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Yeah, I must say I've been really really impressed with how
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you guys have used. Yeah.
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I mean, I think it's one of the reasons why I fell in love with
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what you were doing the comedy, you know, like I've been in
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bands over the years and a bit of musician, all my life so I
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can relate to all of that stuff. And I just, I'm just in stitches
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though time, like it's all just like, especially the videos
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about, you know, crowd interaction and How likely there
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was one. I was just looking for a came on
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and I was just like, yeah, the singer does do that and I think
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I did that a few times cringe every single thing we all do.
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We just don't talk about it. It's what you get the funniest
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bit is is like it because it's funny like how these things are
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now becoming like memes but they've been means for years.
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Like yeah, you know, shouting and you know, you shout out in
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the crowd and it's like that's one thing if you're, you know, I
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don't know, Queen Wembley. But if you're just like some
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band that no one's ever heard of you like, what is everyone?
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Yeah. And they just silence crickets.
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Maybe want one. Guy the front row.
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Yeah, but we seem to have a great
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sense of humor. I'm just going to, you know, I'm
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critical about our country sometimes but more.
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So, very fair. And when it comes to our sense
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of humor, we are amazing. And especially when it comes to
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things like this, like it's just like my that's what specialist.
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You could be huge in America. You can huge Germany, but you
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come here. And if we don't like you would
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be like, shut up, you prick. I just bring it back to tick
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tock for a second, I think. What are the, I mean, okay, it's
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a really basic tactic, but is clever, and it was also what led
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me on to actually sitting down and listening to your music
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properly. It's just a repetition
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repetitious nature of continuously using a sound.
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Exactly. No, I did not just as a thing,
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not not just, not just musicians, but I think it's kind
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of got me thinking a lot about, like, why does songs become
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successful? Why do they become as well?
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Renowned or liked by people and I think it comes down to
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somewhat to a repetitious nature if you keep listening to a song
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and you just like something in it.
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Like for example, you guys have a song called bellecour and
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everyone should go check it out. So very, very good song.
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Something about maybe the chorus or I don't know, maybe just the,
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it's like a very basic thing in the I've heard similar songs
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before to this style. But like I just keep listening
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to because I just I don't know it's addictive in that sense.
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And I think that's what makes well I mean it's subjective but
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like generally speaking, you know, like the most successful
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songs it's because you want to continuously listen to it
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because you know, there's something in it that keeps
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hooking you. Maybe it's that chorus.
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Maybe it's a particular riff whatever.
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Yeah. And I think I think you've done
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like a very good job of doing that, you know.
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It's not like I think that's why people like you as well.
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It's not just oh hey we're another band trying to say.
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All our stuff. It's like you have fun with it,
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you take the mecca, yourself, you create good content, which
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is arguably sort of the point of tick-tock.
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And I think that's what makes you more likable on why people
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are more willing to support you. Because it's like, okay, this
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persons or this band are trying really hard, I'll give them a
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chance and when they do, they discover a treasure Trove.
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Yeah, so yeah. I know what done?
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Well done on that. Oh, another thing which kind
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It's me into sort of a new topic, I suppose obviously
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off-camera, you kind of mentioned that, you know, your
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sort of quote unquote. Like that smells like the leader
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of the band. And I know this is sort of a
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gray area of contention for some importance but it's as it as it
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pertains to kind of like being the voice of the band.
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You know every band has won sometimes bands have to for
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example metallic as to always been Lars Ulrich really.
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But but you know, every band has that person and Guess this is a
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two-fold question 1. I'm quite interested in knowing
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what the dynamic of the band is because yes while you might be
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the person speaking that doesn't necessarily mean that you're the
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leader and sometimes it's democracy.
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Sometimes it's one or two people, Etc.
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So that's my first question to you but my second question to
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you which is linked to this as it pertains to The Tick-Tock
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content and what you're doing there, you mentioned before I
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think you said your drummer I was the one who was kind of
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pushing you to do this because it was good business-wise.
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Are you sort of the main one coming up with the content?
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Is it kind of like decide as a band?
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Does everyone kind of throw ideas like what's the Builder?
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Okay, so the first question we as a band, we are very much a
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democracy. So there's even though I like to
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think I'm the leader. Yeah.
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Okay. Is this all four of us are very
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much, you know, all the songs are written by the Four of us
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together also very much, you know, a Band of Brothers and
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we've been that way since the start and that was our thirsty
23:08
when we started the band up and on the first day we were like,
23:12
we're going to be everything. We just need 25%, everything
23:15
going to be before fast. We're going to be a bang, not
23:18
going to be, you know, this person this person it's going to
23:21
be like, the trustee is one thing, which is quite ironic
23:24
because now only I'm here. We've all got Michael.
23:31
Vows within the band like yeah. And I think I've always been the
23:35
one that there's a lot of time. Not spokesman.
23:37
I'm not the, I'm the Press Secretary of trusted.
23:42
Yeah. And you know, and so yeah,
23:45
there's wigs in real life. I'm really shy like painfully,
23:48
shy really struggles. But socially when it comes to
23:50
band stuff and talk about bad stuff and doing stuff like this
23:53
and making content, that's why I feel more comfortable.
23:57
And I special, and we've got quite a good following locally
24:00
that quiet. You know, good following locally
24:01
in the people around, you know, us now.
24:05
But what it still looks quite hard for me because they see the
24:08
content or they see, you know, stuff like this or this year's
24:11
live and they see me, you know, doing what this or stuff.
24:14
And I mean, Rudolph and what quite quite and they think I'm
24:17
being arrogant but I'm not arrogant, I think I'd be like, I
24:19
might as well not much really shy.
24:21
It's like a lot of like, you know, he's our good but I'm not,
24:24
I'm just just shy, but was just easier.
24:26
But this is my role in the band where it's like, you know, how
24:29
bass plays more. So business our stuff without
24:32
drummers more, like, you know, a technical side of stuff like,
24:35
you know, a guitarist more like riffs and that.
24:38
So we've all kind of got Aaron everything.
24:39
And the second question that content context pretty much me,
24:45
a lot of it because I because there's a voice if I want to
24:49
Tick Tock, but I'm going to just, I'm gonna run it.
24:52
Let me know. Okay, I think we're saying like
24:55
that. It's like, cause you won't be
24:57
consistent every day all the time.
25:00
Hmm. Can't be held back with like all
25:02
your bad decisions. Take a while at songwriting that
25:04
is very much, they know, good luck, go backwards and forwards,
25:07
but when it comes to like do stuff daily, like social media,
25:09
Instagram Facebook, his best bet is just to have one person kind
25:13
of going, like, okay, well do this and do this.
25:16
Do this is, and they're fine with it that mean that they felt
25:19
before IDs each other like, you know, always phone tips or ideas
25:22
and that's fine. But I'll just get on and do it
25:26
because that for me it's like it's got it's got to be done and
25:29
I'll just do it. And I'm In it, I can do it
25:31
quickly. So, yeah, it's just about
25:34
fishing serially. And so that's why I was like,
25:38
you know, the one to do that sort of stuff.
25:40
That's awesome. I'm glad I asked because it
25:42
makes sense, doesn't it sometimes like it's a lot easier
25:45
to just kind of go. Okay, you'll run this side of
25:48
things, you'll run this side of things I could think of bands.
25:51
In the past, I've been a part of where sometimes, I think it
25:55
would have been easier if we'd all just picked a roll and just
25:58
stuck to it, but, you know, it's difficult.
26:00
But sometimes when you want to kind of be involved in
26:02
everything and sometimes you have to learn to just make it as
26:06
fully split as you can just to kind of make it easier and
26:09
fairer to be further do have one person in everything and that's
26:13
completely fine. Yeah I want to work but I just
26:16
this is the way we've done it, you know.
26:17
It's very much, you know, the trust is the four of us.
26:20
It's always been the four of us and we just do our thing it out
26:25
on way to have you noticed And she's kind of had a bit of
26:31
success on Tick Tock in its you getting more attention.
26:34
You're getting more people looking at you and you and you
26:37
and stuff. Have you noticed that when you
26:38
go to play shows, are they're generally more people than there
26:42
were before that, some people going out of their way, like,
26:45
tilt us a little bit about what Tick-Tock has done for you guys
26:49
as a band overall. Well, first thing is obviously
26:52
like how its transferred over so Tick-Tock, you know, spotify's
26:57
is gone. Up had a listeners, have gone up
26:59
and You know people listen to our song of streams have gone up
27:03
and then obviously going to stuff like Instagram give her a
27:06
lot people at finals. Instagram message us and stop
27:08
fucking following us on there because our it's cramped as more
27:12
more focus on the music and the band itself.
27:15
When it's more like just general just nonsense and they carry
27:21
their work, you get people go like a final seconds, Tick Tock
27:24
guys, really funny are quite the song and they click on the link,
27:27
go to the Instagram, go are cool and they stopped you seeing
27:30
this. Are you watch happy to see
27:32
something? This person comment here, then
27:34
you see him. Follow you on Instagram and
27:35
suddenly get the notification of him.
27:36
Not liking it and then respond to stories are.
27:40
Okay, we've got this we've got them now.
27:46
And yeah. So there's that and then Stones,
27:50
definitely we've not done it. That mentality last you need
27:52
that many shows at all so obvious reasons.
27:54
But our last Big Show, we did a show for BBC introducing.
27:58
Mmm. And yeah, it was, it was rammed.
28:01
It was, it was great and you can people it was it was people
28:06
there to see us a lot of people that their CSR normal.
28:09
So we're noticing locally as well.
28:10
Like it's having an effect here as well but I it's not just
28:14
Tick-Tock. I think it is well as just the
28:16
you keep putting songs out and over time building other stuff
28:20
as well that that stuff come with people come with that as
28:23
well. But I think Tick-Tock has kind
28:25
of helped us reach places. We would be able to reach This
28:30
is really cool because like you know even now there's this whole
28:33
podcast doing right now like this wouldn't happen if
28:35
Tick-Tock wasn't there, you know you found us free we might have
28:40
done another but you technically found out you found us through
28:43
Tick-Tock and so just show you what tips.
28:45
Okay, can do. Yeah.
28:51
That's what's really cool. Like you know I'm sitting here
28:52
now because of tick-tock, yeah, it's pretty cool.
28:55
I mean there's been quite a few guests actually found through
28:59
tick-tock I don't always use it as a resource as opposed to
29:02
finding guests, but I have done. And it's generally worked quite
29:07
well in that regard and what's depends on Peter on a few months
29:13
ago from the non-stick pans? Yes, yes I did.
29:18
Yeah. It's weird that I thought
29:20
following him for a while so I love his content as well.
29:23
He's fantastic he's so funny. He's so funny.
29:27
So intelligently so Brian's and we tell Great songwriter and
29:31
like, obviously, you saw you talking to her.
29:36
I watched that box. That was really interesting.
29:38
I listen to that. I'll come in here in like his
29:42
thoughts on things, which is really cool.
29:45
So, yeah, it's great. And I've seen out and he found
29:47
us. I've been following for a while
29:49
and he found us and he stopped following articles that are
29:51
great awesome and following us. It's amazing.
29:57
But yeah, so that's what's so great about Tick-Tock is stuff
29:59
like It happens, you know? Absolutely, let's talk a little
30:03
bit about the live music scene in Essex of so you mentioned you
30:06
played BBC introducing East. So that's awesome.
30:10
Congratulations. But in terms of sort of your
30:13
live music scene in Essex, I know sometimes it can change
30:16
every sort of five to ten years in the complexion of, it can
30:18
change. But what's it saying right now?
30:20
Are you as usual? You've got like, a little bit of
30:22
a following their, but what the other bands?
30:25
Like, what's the area like like, is it buzzing?
30:27
Is it not that's book is Like I can't explain it like South End
30:32
where we from is small Seaside Town, what city now this place
30:38
it just gets bubbling with bands and artists is just is so cool.
30:42
There's so much. Obviously, we had that we've had
30:45
bands like nothing but thieves of the from South Bend and the
30:48
horrors comes the pitch mode. Up the road in Basildon came
30:52
from from Essex as well. But locally, like now there's so
30:56
many great acts coming through and there's a real scene here at
30:59
the Moment. There's it's so many great bands
31:02
and artists who are really doing some really impressive things.
31:05
And so it's really healthy and it's great for us because you go
31:08
out there, you really feel it. There's a lot of places, a lot
31:12
of bars respectful bars and venues that are kind of putting
31:17
all these music nights, and nurturing talent.
31:20
And it's, you know, we would be, we've been around, you know, the
31:24
country and stuff. And, you know, there's some
31:25
great scenes, but there's something really special here
31:28
and it's really The last two years.
31:30
It's really improving ever since we're about 2014, it's kind of
31:34
been building the building and it's at the moment.
31:36
It's really healthy and it's creatively.
31:40
It's great, it's really inspiring, and it's nice to
31:43
know. We've got all different bands,
31:44
kind of bounce off as well. So yeah, it's fantastic really,
31:48
really cool. Awesome.
31:51
Yeah, I'm just gonna fire some random questions at you here.
31:54
I try to always have like a little bit of a narrative or but
31:57
sometimes hey, it's just goes like This what are the best and
32:02
worst things about being a musician.
32:08
So, the best that is the worst things first.
32:10
The worst things are your mind. I think your own brain,
32:16
especially it spends, Less on musician.
32:18
You are I guess because I guess if you like a if you want me for
32:21
I can speak from a musician. I want, I'm not a great
32:24
musician. This, you know, I played the
32:26
accounting but I disagree with that but canary on well, but I
32:30
think, but, ya know, So I know I learned some good time headers
32:38
for song Right purposes, really, and just kind of play like cords
32:40
and stuff. But you know creatively
32:43
sometimes it's hard to live with your own brain because, you
32:47
know, it's great for I think of new ideas.
32:49
But also, it comes with all the other stuff.
32:51
So there's that sort of stuff. Also, you know, the highest and
32:56
lowest of the lows are really low and your musician.
32:58
We know, when you play you've done gigs in the past for an 01
33:01
or having a song, you really sit down.
33:04
Listen to or And you know, criticize you know, those lows
33:09
are low. So you know, I think think of
33:12
musician as well as with other forms of things.
33:17
You don't see the bad things in public.
33:20
But with as a musician a lot of the bad things are kind of
33:24
broadcast. So like if you pay keep your
33:25
front, no one. Everyone can see your painting
33:27
for no one. If you release a song that no
33:29
one hears you can see it's a song that no one cares about if
33:32
someone criticizes you everyone can see the criticism.
33:34
So all your kind of Loans are kind of like presented online or
33:38
in the real world but in the, the positives are the highs
33:41
extremely high. So when people, when you come
33:43
across that one person you like revives your song.
33:46
When they say, cover your song, okay?
33:48
You know, yourself someone like say that song touch them in a
33:55
certain way, there's no greater feeling because it feels like it
33:59
validates what you're doing, and then you pay great cooking for
34:02
uploads. People will sing You songs back
34:04
at you, like those Highs are so good.
34:06
It makes you read us you know when after playing you know Shea
34:09
Stadium while you know Keith Richards went did like loads of
34:11
cocaine something because like how can you match that high?
34:16
You see why the usual do drugs because just like the highest
34:18
are so high real life can't match those eyes.
34:22
So yeah, you know, and I was just, you know, it's great
34:26
having something to kind of pour emotions emotions into some
34:30
writing songs and stuff, you know, he's so great.
34:33
So much fun to write songs with, you know, people, you know,
34:36
People, you respect sloppy in the band with people, you love
34:39
and don't stop. Write songs are going to share
34:41
that bond is just amazing. So yeah like the lows are very
34:45
low in the highs are very high and it's the path we did.
34:51
I like that very poetic. Yeah.
34:54
You mentioned about songwriting there and obviously you
34:57
mentioned a little bit earlier that it's kind of like a
34:59
democracy as far as that's concerned too.
35:02
But let's talk a little bit about your songwriting process
35:04
as a band like You know for example and you write the lyrics
35:09
or did someone else, write the lyrics who comes up the riffs,
35:11
like tell us how these songs come together as a band.
35:15
So it's a bit like a, it's a bit of a madhouse really lucky
35:18
random every time. But I guess like a lot of, you
35:22
know, depends like a lot songs of come out of that.
35:24
Just Jam in a room, the four of us together, just playing and
35:27
suddenly down, he's a guitarist starts, playing some really cool
35:31
riff and we will just stop playing along.
35:32
And the song Started we sort of like, weird shape because of
35:35
that No carve out a really cool song Because the actual song, I
35:41
mean, I vital that areas I've written are every word has been
35:44
me but that's mainly because the other three don't want to do it.
35:49
Just gonna and I really enjoy writing lyrics.
35:53
Like I love writing lyrics. And for me it's like as a
35:56
singer, that's the lyrics like my instrument.
35:58
You know, when I'm singing the words coming out of my mail.
36:02
So if I'm seeing words, I've written, they're going to rest.
36:06
Late more kids coming from me in like we found, especially in
36:11
lockdown, got to change the way we write because of you could
36:15
meet up so we you know songs I've ever called or written on a
36:18
computer, you know, like wow, I'm down on logic and then stop
36:25
quickly go around each other's houses and start laying down.
36:27
If a b and then we go to the studio and record it.
36:30
It's different every time and in different members of the band
36:32
come up with different riffs, you know, sometimes that doubt
36:35
our guitarist, Popcorn truth, sometimes they're both placed in
36:39
sometimes. Even Dave on drugs as like
36:41
guitar stuff. What kind of stuff and we just
36:44
kind of. Yeah, we just can't, it comes
36:46
from a different place every time but lyrically, it's always
36:49
me. But yeah, so it's a bit of a
36:53
random on really, we haven't really got a set way of doing
36:55
things. It kind of just some songs come
36:57
out to am in, you know, in a bedroom, some songs come out,
37:01
you know, in a rehearsal room, you know, top ten in the
37:03
morning, it's just it's depends on.
37:06
Where the sun is in the sky, really?
37:10
Have any tips you could give to aspiring songwriters yet?
37:15
Well, my big one is I think the worst these enemy That's all
37:21
crazy. People's perfectionism so
37:24
worried about is this thing I'm doing really crap?
37:28
And so one way I got over that and exotic fetishism at least a
37:31
writer's block. So the way I got over that was
37:35
by I write a song every single day without fail.
37:37
I cannot go to bed until Written song.
37:39
Oh wow. 120, I've kept up and I'll get after they have a
37:44
recording but my thumb start to finish every day and if I had a
37:48
busy day and I What? I tell my God, I can't go to
37:50
sleep. So, I've written a song about
37:51
stay up and run the song, and if you do that, you know, you might
37:56
write over a month, like, 30 songs over a month, like once a
37:58
day and it 29 or 30, might be terrible.
38:02
But you just the fact you've done it.
38:04
Just get into the habit of writers writing songs like a
38:06
muscle. So for me, it's just like, keep
38:08
trying that muscle, keep trying that muscle and get and always
38:12
get comfortable with right and rubbish songs.
38:14
You know, I've written hundreds of rubbish songs, but if I write
38:18
50, rubbish song, One really good song then I've achieved
38:22
something. So my advice is right, every
38:24
single day, right? Every single day, that is, that
38:27
is the key. But it's just it's just that's
38:30
the way to do it in my opinion and of all stuff man.
38:33
Thank you so much for sharing. Going to change gears a little
38:39
bit here. What's the best piece of advice
38:43
you've ever received? Or get your haircut.
38:51
No and mean I think is really key is You've
39:17
got to be done upon apologetically you so don't
39:21
change who you are, don't put, you know, something on for the
39:24
cameras or got to be you because people see through bullshit.
39:30
So, you've got to be, you know, we as a band, embrace our
39:34
weirdness. We embrace the fact that we're
39:36
for complete losers who are like, you know, trying to be the
39:41
world's most uncool, but trying to speak, we try to be cool by
39:43
being the most world's most uncool bands.
39:45
That's our goal. But you've got to be you, you've
39:48
got to be completely honest, and people like that, and I think
39:52
that is, that is it? You got be authentic, you can't
39:54
change the people. We've got a stick to who you
39:57
are. I think it has its applied to
40:00
anything. And what's the biggest life
40:04
lesson that you've learned so far?
40:08
I think things take time, patience, you know, patients
40:13
things, take time and things, you know, films and
40:17
documentaries of pre-programmed us to feel like things happen
40:21
very quickly. They don't things take time and
40:24
you just leave it patient and be that, you know, the, you know,
40:27
don't panic if things take longer than you think because,
40:32
you know, some things take 10 years, some things you know take
40:35
20 years but they You'll get there in the end.
40:37
Whatever the thing is, you know, you got to just be patient and
40:40
just You know, stick to what you're doing.
40:44
Fantastic, thank you so much for that and as we draw things to a
40:48
close for today, do you have any upcoming projects or maybe some
40:51
final thoughts that you'd like to leave our listeners with what
40:55
doesn't know, very deeply I? Didn't it very deep.
40:59
I like that. I like to gauge the, what is
41:02
your is your song writer, as well, you write songs, what is
41:08
your advice for summarize? Gonna flip the tables, turn how
41:14
the turntables fascinating everywhere.
41:19
But you know, when you come across another someone so it's
41:22
always interesting because it wasn't their own process and I'm
41:25
always intrigued to ask summarize, same question.
41:27
Like know, what's your advice? What is the key to you to
41:30
writing songs? Well, I will say always have an
41:36
app or paper or something on you at all times.
41:42
The amount of times it's been like, I don't know, I'm walking
41:45
somewhere and it's pissing it down with rain.
41:47
I'm like oh I got this thing. I got this thing and I need to
41:49
get somewhere just so I can quickly type it and have it
41:52
there. It's normally lyrics but all,
41:56
you know, to am, I can't stop thinking about it, I've got to
41:59
write it down, you know. But to be honest for me, my kind
42:04
of songwriting process has changed massively.
42:07
It used to be, write the lyrics first then.
42:11
No Eva Jam in a room, just like you how you guys do or Jam
42:16
myself as a solo artist but now totally different.
42:22
I start jamming first. And if I like what I hear, let's
42:26
fry to think about how it makes me feel.
42:29
And then I try to put, I just write some lyrics on the spot,
42:33
but from advice, I mean, I think there is no right way to do it.
42:40
I think you have to Uh kind of. And I know it's a very nothing
42:44
kind of response but I'm not at all.
42:47
Well what I mean is it's not very it's the same old thing.
42:51
You've got to do it your way, you got to do what works for
42:53
you, you know. But it's so true though like
42:56
it's there's no rules that you know, you can't teach you can
42:58
only teach someone so much when it comes to write songs that
43:01
song writing is. So you know, it's such a
43:03
personal thing and it's so Random.
43:06
It's a chaotic process that I think that, you know people if
43:09
people think that would know Like oh yes, to your own
43:12
witness. Yeah.
43:13
Definitely because like you got to do things wrong way.
43:15
You're right. Something's wrong way.
43:16
So yeah I think that's totally valid and totally not nothing.
43:20
Comment at all. I think it applies to everything
43:23
in life as well. I mean, when I look at
43:25
everything that I do in my life, I've got my way of doing it and
43:29
the only time that I actually realize that it's either unique
43:34
to me or its maybe not like the conventional way as when I start
43:38
talking to other people. No, because I don't often.
43:41
Ask other people for advice and that's not because I don't value
43:44
other people's advice, or anything part of it is
43:47
stubbornness. I like to kind of figure things
43:49
out on my own part of it is I think the thing that I've
43:56
realized about asking advice is that, if you ask her advice, you
44:00
may not like what you hear? Oh yeah, definitely, that's the
44:03
thing because you're asking you asking someone else and be ready
44:07
to be criticized and criticism is not a bad thing.
44:10
Obviously, the person giving you the criticism or the
44:13
constructive criticism has a, yeah, they can do it nicely
44:18
like, for example, I uploaded a video earlier and someone Give
44:23
some constructive criticism they said oh I feel that this isn't
44:27
quite they said the exact wording was hey I don't know, I
44:33
don't know anything about music but no offense but it sounds a
44:36
bit off like tonal wise, employer in places, but cheers,
44:42
and then normally I don't respond but because people were
44:44
rude and nasty but this person was just fat like them fair
44:47
enough. That's and I just said music
44:49
subjective. I appreciate your comment.
44:51
I said basically like thank you for In rude.
44:54
And then I kind of just went on to say like maybe it sounds a
44:57
bit different because this song is in.
45:00
I don't know. It's normally sung in a lower
45:03
key. I did it in a hierarchy, maybe
45:05
that's what you're hearing, but I'll keep it in mind because I
45:09
think, you know, I'm always willing to take on constructive
45:13
criticism and I think everyone should be, you know, but I do
45:17
think that's the thing. Yeah, I think you have to learn
45:19
how to take it on board and It doesn't matter what anyone says,
45:24
everyone takes criticism. Personally, even if they've even
45:27
if they figured it out and they think, yeah, I can take it.
45:30
I can take it soon as you hear it, you're like hmm.
45:32
Well last year, we are at this chick talk about 80's bands.
45:38
I wasn't digging That 80's bands.
45:39
I'll just make it a modern technology at the fact that when
45:42
you come on technology that you can press one key in it, that
45:45
plays a whole song, but about a joke about no ice bags, the aces
45:49
be like check out my new single press the kid play the whole
45:51
song. And I made it very clear that
45:53
this is not is a dissident of a comment on that play on The
45:58
Stereotype and a play on the on the fact that modern technology
46:02
is so, you know, crazy now. But people just, I got roasted,
46:06
I got destroyed. Wow.
46:08
And directing people to very personally and they were
46:12
attacking the way I looked my face.
46:14
My teeth, my hair. I was getting.
46:16
Yeah. That.
46:16
Yeah. People.
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And even though like it doesn't In the long night, doesn't
46:21
bother me at all, but when you read the first on you read, it
46:22
is like, you know, sometimes, you know, you just rubbed your
46:25
elbow like a stinging, nettle to get it all.
46:27
What's all like, a bit hot in here?
46:30
And, you know, it's, I didn't actually think I would go on to
46:34
this today, but you make a very good point.
46:39
I actually had to delete because I used to have YouTube Studio on
46:42
my, on my phone, and I deleted it because I was receiving so
46:47
much hate that. Beginning to affect my mental
46:51
health. Like I was I was you know you
46:53
know it's like a certain video was like a cross, a few just
46:59
across everything, you know, like people people want to give
47:01
their opinions and I'm all for, you know.
47:04
No censorship. You know, you say, you say what
47:06
you want, you know, you have your right.
47:10
I also have the right to ignore your comment, you know if it's
47:14
rude because you know, here's the thing like I'll respond to
47:19
nice comments. And are also respond to
47:21
constructive criticism. If it's if it's polite, I will
47:24
respond to it, you know. Obviously, it's a bit different.
47:27
If you have a video that has like thousands of comments.
47:29
It's just impossible to keep up, but generally speaking.
47:33
I don't get a lot of views, so I'm able to do that and that's
47:36
fine but a lot of them were sort of comments.
47:40
You're receiving that, you know, just personal attacks.
47:42
Like, you know, this is trash, your trash cringe, you know, not
47:48
even had death threats a few Yeah, it's supposed to be a day.
47:54
When if I look like you I'd kill myself, right?
47:57
And it's you can't be saying stuff like that to people like
47:59
you just and it's a sort of thing that you know you know 99%
48:04
people would never have the guts to say that to your face but I
48:08
think that's the problem might with us.
48:11
Like we're we're quite active online continuously and we're
48:15
checking things and we're checking it from a business
48:17
standpoint. Like I to be honest if I Wasn't
48:20
the content creator. If I wasn't doing like pursuing
48:22
acting pursue music scream podcast, if I wasn't doing that
48:26
I wouldn't have these social medias, maybe I might have
48:29
YouTube just to watch stuff but I wouldn't have this stuff and I
48:32
wouldn't be checking it but because I have to leave for
48:35
business, I obviously have to interact with comments and
48:38
inevitably, you're going to see these comments and I try to
48:42
reduce it, you know, and people who give me nice comments and
48:47
who support me about my community, they always say.
48:50
Don't focus on that. You know, you got maybe 15
48:52
comments, that say something really nice.
48:53
And it's like, yeah, but sometimes you're an inhuman.
48:56
Is that a? Yes, sometimes, sometimes it's
48:58
the first thing you see, or sometimes you release a video
49:00
and all it gets a negative comments and it just ruins your
49:04
day or just makes you feel terrible.
49:05
And, you know, I'm the sort of person like these things sit
49:10
with me sometime, sometimes I can just be like head or
49:11
whatever but like sometimes it's it's with me and it's like It's
49:16
interesting. What you were saying about how
49:17
they attack you personally, sometimes because I think with
49:20
that, I've noticed it's a two-fold thing.
49:25
So if you're being I don't think that should ever be something
49:30
brought in like even if you think someone's piece of crap,
49:33
you know, for their opinions that maybe I don't know.
49:36
They're just a really horrible person.
49:38
All right. But I know I've never understood
49:40
like, oh well, I'm just going to attack them personally, but, you
49:43
know, he's gonna be like, oh, you're making a horrible remark
49:46
about this. So I'm going to attack your
49:49
face. I don't get it, but that's just
49:52
Because it doesn't make sense like to me, for example, like
49:55
I've because I don't, I hate confrontation but in the few
49:58
times that I've tried to like debate people online, like when
50:01
they've disagreed with something, if they feel, they're
50:05
losing always attack you. It's and as soon as it goes,
50:08
personal I just stopped responding.
50:10
So I'm not. Well, obviously, this person is
50:12
not to be taken seriously, because they have to resort to
50:14
attacks and that you're no longer get trying to get a point
50:18
across or Express Affair opinion.
50:21
You're just trying to attack. tap someone, but I think, A
50:27
bigger thing is that people just kind of like to bring people
50:30
down, I don't know. Maybe sometimes people want to
50:33
bring people down a peg or they are jealous or, you know,
50:36
whatever the case may be but I'll give you a really good
50:38
example. I did a video.
50:41
Basically one of my friends from school is on the The Apprentice
50:45
Right Now TV show. Yeah, it's good, isn't it good
50:50
season but I don't I don't normally watch The Apprentice.
50:53
I haven't watched it since the 2000s.
50:55
But when I saw So my friend on it, Akshay, who's on those?
51:00
He's a school friend of mine. Yeah, we this is the funny thing
51:03
we're in business school together like business class
51:06
from GCSE to a level and as soon as I saw me about it I was like
51:12
this is the right choice. Like he he was that person, then
51:14
this is, you know. Anyway, I posted because I've
51:20
been following his whole journey and I've been covering it on my
51:23
second Tick-Tock account, you know, partly for fun.
51:26
Also, because I want to show support and and also because I'm
51:29
actually quite invested in it like just in general.
51:32
Like, you know, it went from just an initial.
51:35
Okay, I'm supporting my friend too.
51:37
Yeah, and I actually really wanted to win and that I've got
51:40
a few other favorites and stuff but I remember in the very first
51:44
video that I did about him where I said like oh I went to school
51:46
with him but blah, I tried not to make it a lot about me.
51:50
I tried to kind of think about the things that he'd said to me
51:53
back then and that the way he was because obviously, You know,
51:56
10 years is a long time. I like things change, you know?
51:59
And obviously he's a man now of successful business owner, and
52:03
stuff, and most of the comments were just interested in, is a
52:07
few people like joking. Like, he's not going to win and
52:10
that's fine. But there was one person who
52:13
said something like, let's be honest.
52:19
Something like He did better than you something like that.
52:25
Like you like a he's successful in life and you're not kind of
52:27
thing. And At first I was really
52:32
tempted to just do a response video but I held against it held
52:37
off sometimes, I think about it now and on my God I'd love to
52:42
have like that successful moment where I could tag that comment
52:45
and be like look at me now and who knows?
52:48
Maybe that day will come, I don't know, but it kind of and
52:51
it's stupid because it's just, you know, same old, no profile,
52:55
no name person and you know but sometimes you see those things
53:00
and it's like Geez, I was just like supporting my friend.
53:03
Like I'm not jealous of my fam, really happy for.
53:05
Is it to me? It feels like a family members
53:08
just done something huge and you know, I've always been I've been
53:13
envious of the people around me that are more successful than I
53:16
am. Like, I've got a few friends
53:18
that are doing really well. Some of whom are even famous now
53:21
that they're getting to that point.
53:23
And, you know, I'm not here because I'm envious but I'm not
53:26
jealous of them because there's just shit.
53:28
Like I think you got to be proud of the people around you and
53:33
support their successes and not be bitter or were jealous
53:36
because it's just not nice to be like that.
53:38
And you know, like everyone has a journey.
53:41
Like, for example, I have no doubt in my mind that one day,
53:45
The Trusted is going to be a big band.
53:46
Like, I think you're already getting there.
53:48
I think it's just a matter of time.
53:50
I own. I really do I really believe
53:51
that and Inevitably when that day comes, when I don't know,
53:57
maybe you sell your, you know, your debut album, it goes huge
54:01
or or I don't know, you hit all time streams on spot whatever.
54:06
Whatever that moment is where you know, because that moment
54:10
will happen and your lives will go crazy and suddenly, you'll
54:13
be, you know, things will just Skyrocket and there will be
54:17
people that will say in the media overnight success.
54:22
That's something that they'll say.
54:24
And you and the rest of the band will be like, well, I mean we've
54:27
been doing this since 2016. We know.
54:28
It's not like that. And you'll say that, but the
54:31
story will be told. Oh, one minute.
54:33
Then over these the next minute, they're there.
54:35
Something. And I've always taken exception
54:37
this with this because and you know, I'm guilty of saying it
54:41
myself and I'm trying to change my attitude as far as talking
54:46
about myself. Like I've referred to myself as
54:48
a nobody before and I've had my community sort of be like, you
54:51
shouldn't say that. That's bad to think that way and
54:55
it is. And I think you got to remember
54:58
that successful. No, success.
55:01
Like it's about doing what you're passionate about and
55:04
loving what you do and and that being the focus and that being
55:07
the drive and that being what I mean.
55:10
And like, who cares if you become successful or not, like,
55:15
you know, there's people, I've met who have been famous, who
55:19
really weren't that special because the end of the day, Day.
55:24
People are just people. If you become famous, you become
55:26
successful, you still, yeah, you're still the same person.
55:29
You see. I Still Human Being.
55:30
I mean, Fame, can change people and we've seen that time and
55:33
time and time again, but it's get powers.
55:37
You're still so just, you know, still going to the toilet, you
55:40
still eating, you know, that's the thing.
55:41
I think a lot of people forget that I think a lot of people
55:44
look at that. Like I think that commenter who
55:45
said that to me in their mind a lot.
55:48
Oh, will your friends successful?
55:49
But you're not like majan how you feel?
55:51
And I'm like I'm proud of him. I'm really happy if I'm excited
55:55
for him, I'm like wow this is going to need to this and this
55:58
and you know like like he's in the final weight right now and
56:01
I'm just like praying that he gets through and it's weird
56:04
because I remember marking the first couple of weeks like, hey,
56:11
this is the first time in a long time.
56:12
That I've seen someone around me that it's doing really, really
56:15
well. And I'm super like excited for
56:18
them. And I'm not thinking about
56:19
myself or comparing to myself or any shape or form.
56:22
I'm just purely just Good for them and it reminded me.
56:26
Do you know what, that's how I should be for like everyone in
56:28
my life. Whatever their successes is
56:31
whatever they do. Like that's how you should be
56:33
for the people that care about and the people around.
56:36
You like celebrate their successes, because your time
56:39
will come and then they will celebrate you.
56:43
Exactly. And you come across the bed
56:46
person's world because it shows you that, you know, you can do
56:49
that, you can celebrate other people's successes and you don't
56:52
come across as a bit person. Next, I really is really
56:55
powerful because it's really see someone doing.
56:57
Well, it's really easy to get angry.
57:00
It's a lot. It's a lot harder to shake your
57:01
hand in your world on. That's hard to do that really
57:05
hard. It's really hard to look someone
57:06
in the eye and go I'm proud of you.
57:08
Or, you know, what you're doing is amazing and it's really easy,
57:12
just to go, your registered, you know, dickhead their up, their
57:15
own ass, you know, I don't deserve this, that's easy but
57:20
like, you know, congratulate someone's very is hard, it's a
57:23
lot harder on it. Oh look it's not particular more
57:25
strength to do that. So I think that you know it
57:27
takes a lot of balls to know, you know.
57:29
Go yeah. Actually well done you that's
57:31
like that's that's really powerful and they will get
57:34
packing it pays off in the end because people remember that
57:37
people to people do notice, people do remember these things
57:41
people do. Remember people saying that and
57:43
it always in the end, you know, people will remember that and it
57:47
will come back to you. Just say I'll come back and buy
57:49
it if you're addicted. Yeah.
57:52
Very true. Very true.
57:54
Promise that your story like the internet gives people the
57:56
ability to say nasty things about face.
57:59
You know, everyone becomes, you know individual entity little
58:02
bit Macon and I got there and say whatever they want and if
58:05
people know they know what was to use and what to say to upset,
58:10
people are know how to do that. That, that, that comment.
58:12
And I've put in at the exact point by saying, like, hitting
58:15
out the way that you said that you should word in that right
58:18
way. Is that right?
58:19
Dig? We accept it.
58:20
Just hits the right buttons in your brain because just It's
58:23
very cleverly worded to that make you feel a certain way
58:25
because you know we all know that being told that persons in
58:28
better than you it's like a difference is that in a way
58:31
that's worse. Someone saying you look ugly
58:34
because it's a more direct hit broad like you know you you know
58:40
you've got a big head. Like you know someone said that
58:44
to me I actually own one of my recent podcasts on my YouTube.
58:50
They said like why is your head shape that way?
58:53
At first I was like, what the fuck?
58:54
And then I just could not stop laughing.
58:56
I thought that was hilarious as a sign of love from the guy of
59:05
the massive head. So, you know, I got a brand
59:09
outfit, my massive square head is now part of the trusted
59:12
brand. So, who's winning?
59:13
Who's winning? Listen.
59:17
It's been an absolute pleasure. Having you on the show and I
59:21
wish you and the rest of the It's all the success.
59:24
I know you're going to, you're going to do big things in the
59:26
coming years and yeah, just thank you so much for being on
59:30
the show sincerely. Appreciate it, good stuff.
59:35
Well do I will do it. And to all those listening to
59:38
the Christian re podcast, make sure you go and check out the
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trusted. I fully endorse them and I think
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you could be in for a real surprise.
59:46
For a real treat. Thank you very much for
59:48
listening to Christian. We podcast be safe.
59:52
Be well. And I'll see you in the next
59:54
one.