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Ep. 315: Become a Better Rut Hunter with Travis Faulkner · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three
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  Speaker 1: d and fifteen, and today in the show, I'm joined
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  Speaker 1: by outdoor writer and white Tail expert Travis Faulkner to
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  Speaker 1: go deep into new rut hunting ideas, stand sites, calling, tactics,
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  Speaker 1: and much much more. All Right, welcome to the Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx to In
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  Speaker 1: the show, we've got Travis Faulkner. He is a serious
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  Speaker 1: hunter and outdoor writer from Kentucky and he's in period
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  Speaker 1: in all sorts of places like Outdoor Life, Field Stream,
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  Speaker 1: North American, white Tail, and a number of other publications
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  Speaker 1: and show os. And today he's gonna be joining me
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  Speaker 1: to talk rut hunting strategy, all things rut, pinch points, funnels, betting, years, decoying, rattling,
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  Speaker 1: how to find the spot within the spot, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everything you needed to be doing this time of year
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  Speaker 1: to fill a tag. That's what last week's podcast was about.
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  Speaker 1: That's what this week's podcast is about. Because we're in
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  Speaker 1: that super Bowl of the white tail season. It's now
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  Speaker 1: is the time to get it done, So I want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure we're getting you some good info. And
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  Speaker 1: that is also why I've got a guest co host
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  Speaker 1: on the show with me today for our intro, because
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  Speaker 1: he's always got some helpful things to share, and there's
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  Speaker 1: no better time to hear that kind of thing than now.
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  Speaker 1: So Andy May, thanks for helping me out on this one. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: no problem, buddy, anytime. Excited to catch up because we've
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  Speaker 1: been kinda You've been off in Nebraska. I was in Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: and we've been like trying to play phone tag and
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  Speaker 1: get caught up and haven't got to spend too much
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  Speaker 1: time chatting. So I'm glad we can do this and
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  Speaker 1: you have. You've been on a tear this year. Um.
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  Speaker 1: We talked earlier. You killed that buck in Kentucky, and
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  Speaker 1: then since then you killed one in Ohio. Then you
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  Speaker 1: went to Nebraska and killed a big mule there, and
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  Speaker 1: then you came back to Michigan. You just killed a
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  Speaker 1: giant Michigan. Um, so I'm curious if you could send
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  Speaker 1: like your lucky rabbit's foot or four leaf clover or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is. If you send it my way because
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  Speaker 1: because my luck is is all out from last year. UM,
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  Speaker 1: so I need some Andy may good juju please. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it doesn't always happen like this,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it seems like every once in a
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  Speaker 1: while it does. You just kinda try to ride that
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  Speaker 1: wave for as long as it will last. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure it'll end soon, so I'll try
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  Speaker 1: to send some of your way. Thanks, And in all seriousness,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's luck. I know that it's preparation
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  Speaker 1: and hard work and a whole lot of experience that's
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  Speaker 1: led to all that success Andy, But I do think
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  Speaker 1: could be worth it least talking about your Michigan hunt,
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  Speaker 1: because that was pretty recent. That was just in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days of October. Um. And it was
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  Speaker 1: interesting because you texted me the morning of and you said,
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  Speaker 1: this big buck showed up. He's in a spot where
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  Speaker 1: if a big boy rolls in, he doesn't live very long.
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  Speaker 1: I think I can kill him. And then like seven
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  Speaker 1: hours later you text him and you said you got him.
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  Speaker 1: So I gotta hear how it happened. Um, this laid
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  Speaker 1: October kind of pre rut time frame. UM. Really interested
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  Speaker 1: to see how you pulled it off. Can you give
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  Speaker 1: me this goop? Sure? Yeah, So this is a book
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  Speaker 1: that UM, I have a little bit of history with
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  Speaker 1: as far as um uh. Last year, I had some
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  Speaker 1: encounters with him. I had some sightings with him and
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  Speaker 1: and lots of pictures and he was very unique, nice
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  Speaker 1: dear last year, very identifiable, super heavy rack UM kind
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  Speaker 1: of tight frame, I'm you know, not very wide, and
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  Speaker 1: he had a typical side that was a half of
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  Speaker 1: an eight so four point side, and then the other side,
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  Speaker 1: UM kind of went up. The brow tyne on that
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  Speaker 1: side split and then it sort of had like a
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  Speaker 1: non typical look. And what I think happened was that
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  Speaker 1: during velvet it must have got bumped and it just
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  Speaker 1: kind of grew sort of funny. It wasn't like a
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  Speaker 1: super freak or anything, but it just kind of grew
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  Speaker 1: non typical a little bit. So he's very identifiable, UM.
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  Speaker 1: And he started showing up on this property UM right
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  Speaker 1: on that like that third week, third and fourth week
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  Speaker 1: of October, so right that pre rot time, UM, he
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  Speaker 1: was one. I was really looking forward to seeing this
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  Speaker 1: year as a four year old because I thought man,
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  Speaker 1: he's non typical, and what's he gonna turn into? He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna turn into this this crazy side non typical. I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was really pumped. Um. One thing that was distinct
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  Speaker 1: about him as a three year old, really long brow tygns.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're probably six seven inches is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot longer than your typical buck in this area usually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, good brow times are for four or four
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  Speaker 1: and a half inches something like that around here on average,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. And so I was really looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: to finding him this year and hopefully hunting him see
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  Speaker 1: what he turned into. And just like clockwork, just like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these mature bucks do, Um, he showed
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  Speaker 1: up in the exact same area during the exact same
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  Speaker 1: time frame. And that's something I've really learned the key
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  Speaker 1: in on the last ten years or so, I was
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  Speaker 1: probably ten fifteen years. I started noticing it, and then
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  Speaker 1: I really started planning my hunts for particular deer in
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  Speaker 1: particular areas using that strategy. And he showed up the
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  Speaker 1: same area, um, just like he did last year. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It just must be his kind of breeding area, his
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  Speaker 1: rut area. So he leaves this his summer, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in early season home range and wherever that is, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea, but he shows up here, and um,
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  Speaker 1: I was in Nebraska. Um uh. Then I on my
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  Speaker 1: way home from Nebraska. You know, I'm kind of runs
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  Speaker 1: through my head. You know, what am I gonna do
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  Speaker 1: when I get back in Michigan. I felt a little
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  Speaker 1: bit out of touch. Um because I was in Nebraska
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  Speaker 1: and then I was hunting Ohio. It's not a big
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  Speaker 1: ten point in Ohio. And I had hunted Michigan some
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  Speaker 1: and I had some really good hunts for some other deer. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I was out of touch with just what was
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  Speaker 1: going on when I normally, you know, I say I
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  Speaker 1: like to have my finger on the pulse. I like
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  Speaker 1: to know what's going on everywhere I hunt, And um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just doing that and started to interrupt you, Andy,
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  Speaker 1: But when you say you get the finger on the pulse,
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  Speaker 1: what does that actually mean? Like, how are you actually
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  Speaker 1: doing Is that because you're just checking cameras so frequently,
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  Speaker 1: or you're getting out there and still glassing even where
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  Speaker 1: you're not hunting, or how are you doing that this
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  Speaker 1: time of year? It's just kind of all of the above.
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  Speaker 1: So so I'm I'm my strategy is absolutely checking cameras.
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  Speaker 1: Okay I did. I definitely do that. Um, I get
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  Speaker 1: boots on the ground looking for tracks, looking for areas
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  Speaker 1: that are getting hot with signed so I'll I'll do
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  Speaker 1: quick walkthroughs through areas that aren't super sensitive, looking for
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  Speaker 1: rubs and scrapes popping up. And these are areas that
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  Speaker 1: I know a big buck lives or an area I
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  Speaker 1: know typically produces big bucks, and that's what I focus on.
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  Speaker 1: So when those areas heat up, UM, you know I can.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that by just getting out there and
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  Speaker 1: and just doing a quick kind of edge scout. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you know I'm not. I'm not diving into bedding
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  Speaker 1: areas or or real thick areas where I risk bumping
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  Speaker 1: deer because I've already done that. I already know where
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  Speaker 1: those places are. I know them, and I know them
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  Speaker 1: like the back of my hand. So this is more
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  Speaker 1: of an edge scout. I'm looking for are these bucks
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  Speaker 1: getting more active? Are they in the area? Am I
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  Speaker 1: finding a big track? Um? In a lot of cases,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's only one or two mature bucks in
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  Speaker 1: an area. So when I when I get a big track,
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  Speaker 1: I often know what deer It is not always, but
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they have distinct features and and you learn that
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  Speaker 1: over years. Sometimes it's just a big track and you
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  Speaker 1: assume that that's the one because there's not five or
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  Speaker 1: six of them. There's one a lot of times. So um.
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  Speaker 1: And then the other way is is glassing. I do
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  Speaker 1: a fair bit of glassing in areas that are conducive
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  Speaker 1: to it. You know, I'm not glassing into a swamp
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  Speaker 1: that I have to walk through, you know, a half
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  Speaker 1: mile of hardwood's to get to. I'm not glass in
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  Speaker 1: those areas. But where a hunt in northern Ohio, it's flat,
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  Speaker 1: it's agg country. The the trees that are there are
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  Speaker 1: hedgerows and tiny woodlots. So there it pays for me
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  Speaker 1: to stay mobile and glass and and just try to
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  Speaker 1: catch a glimpse of a good deer right at last
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  Speaker 1: light or right at first light. So it just depends
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  Speaker 1: on the property. Um. But I use all those above
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  Speaker 1: methods and I I kind of do them all. Not
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  Speaker 1: not every day, but I'm doing something every day to
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  Speaker 1: kind of narrowed down my focus to a certain deer
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  Speaker 1: or a certain area. So um, jumping, just real quick
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  Speaker 1: jumping from the Michigan Buck to the Ohio buck. I
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  Speaker 1: spent five days over like an eight day period, driving
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  Speaker 1: down to Ohio to Glass before work. So it's not far.
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  Speaker 1: My new location where I live is only fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: from border, about twenty minutes from the property. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: driving twenty minutes away from work to Glass at first
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  Speaker 1: light trying to locate the steer, and then I'm driving
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  Speaker 1: from there an hour and tend to work. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that big of a sacrifice. It was just twenty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, five or six days over a I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: tend to two week day period, and then I finally
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  Speaker 1: located them and that's what led to that kill. So
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  Speaker 1: so there the strategy was glassing um with this Michigan buck.
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  Speaker 1: The strategy was just checking cameras and my cameras, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at this spot. I run cameras kind of two ways.
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  Speaker 1: I run them in spots that I can checked off
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  Speaker 1: and check often, you know, uh, just in to cover
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  Speaker 1: um around food sources where dear typically encounter humans or
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  Speaker 1: farming equipment or just more traffic, and I'll check those often,
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  Speaker 1: not every day, um, it might be a once in
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  Speaker 1: a week deal. It might be during a rain if
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  Speaker 1: there's rain for four days, I might check it two
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  Speaker 1: out of the four days, but I'll check them more
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  Speaker 1: when things start heating up like now and during the rut,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I can get away with Marcus dearre
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  Speaker 1: moving more. Their focus is not so much on survival
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  Speaker 1: more on breeding. I can get away with a little
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  Speaker 1: more foot traffic in the areas I hunt, but I
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  Speaker 1: still don't go into the sensitive areas. So with this
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  Speaker 1: buck got back from Nebraska, I felt a little out
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  Speaker 1: of touch with what was going on in Michigan. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what big bucks were around right now, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what areas were heating up. So I I
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  Speaker 1: spent that first day back doing that. After work, I
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  Speaker 1: drove a hit two or three spots, check some cameras,
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  Speaker 1: check some field edges for activity, UH, for tracks and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: And I got a picture of this deer. And he
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  Speaker 1: had been on the camera for three or four days,
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  Speaker 1: nothing in daylight, but you know, within an hour after dark,
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  Speaker 1: so I knew he was I knew he was here,
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  Speaker 1: I knew he had showed back up. And the reason
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  Speaker 1: I sent you that text is because I felt very
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  Speaker 1: confident I could kill this dear because he was so
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  Speaker 1: active last year. I knew where he wanted to bed,
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  Speaker 1: I knew where he wanted to travel, and I just
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  Speaker 1: know how to hunt this area really well. Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: and the whole key to this this area is just
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  Speaker 1: just staying out. Really, you just have to have the
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  Speaker 1: discipline to stay out. And if you can monitor when
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  Speaker 1: that area heats up and then die right in, you
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  Speaker 1: got a really good chance of it, at the very
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  Speaker 1: least seeing that dear. But because of the way this
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  Speaker 1: property sets up, you have a really good chance of
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  Speaker 1: having an encounter, like a close encounter with this deer.
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  Speaker 1: The movement and the betting is pretty straightforward. It's got
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  Speaker 1: some pretty well defined betting and and uh like travel
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  Speaker 1: routes because because a lot of it consists of open field,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it consists of standing water, so it
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  Speaker 1: creates a lot of terrain type funnels. Um, So all
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  Speaker 1: I need to do is wait for the good buck
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  Speaker 1: to show up and then to hunt these areas smart um,
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  Speaker 1: with the wind and watching my access and then with
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  Speaker 1: you know, with some luck, you know, those deers, those
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  Speaker 1: deer come out of the betting areas that they've always used,
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  Speaker 1: and they traveled down these areas. So what I try
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  Speaker 1: to do is going at the right time, wait for
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  Speaker 1: the right wind, wait for the right conditions. I like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously cool weather is good, not a necessity in my
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  Speaker 1: opinion this time of year, but um, you know some
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  Speaker 1: cooler weather is good and mean, the main thing is
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  Speaker 1: just waiting until they show up and then and then
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  Speaker 1: timing it right and waiting for those perfect wing conditions.
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  Speaker 1: And then in this this piece in particular accessing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's an easy access where you're going through dry land
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  Speaker 1: and you will bumped here and you're at least on
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  Speaker 1: that day your wind is going to blow into one
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  Speaker 1: of the betting ears, and happened to be one that
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  Speaker 1: he was in that day I killed him. So what
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  Speaker 1: I do is I come in through the back access
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  Speaker 1: and and um, I have to wait, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: thirty five minutes, well about thirty minutes through knee deep
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  Speaker 1: water and cat tails. So that's what I did on
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  Speaker 1: that day. I put the hip boots on and I
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  Speaker 1: waded through the water and the cat tails, and I
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  Speaker 1: got set up. There was there was two betting areas.
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  Speaker 1: There's actually three betting areas that I thought he could
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  Speaker 1: be in. Two for sure. Can you explain what those
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  Speaker 1: betting airs looked like? Like, what kind of zone were
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  Speaker 1: you looking at the potential buck betting are he could
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  Speaker 1: be in. I didn't. Just trying to picture exactly the
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  Speaker 1: whole scenario. I'll explain. Um So on the edge of
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  Speaker 1: this swamp and cat tails, there's an island, okay, And
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  Speaker 1: you can walk around the swamp on dry land and
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  Speaker 1: get to that same island and set up, But the
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  Speaker 1: wind would have busted you up before before set up.
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  Speaker 1: So what I did is I came in on the
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  Speaker 1: back side. This island doesn't have any yoaks or anything,
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  Speaker 1: but what it does have is a little point off
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  Speaker 1: the island where there's a really nice little thicket and
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  Speaker 1: some kind of um, I don't know what kind of
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  Speaker 1: trees there are. I'm not good at identifying trees, but
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of bushy trees, like the kind of deer
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  Speaker 1: like the bed under and there's always five or six beds,
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  Speaker 1: big buck beds, and it's the same buck moving positions
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  Speaker 1: kind of around that point and around that island. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's been there for years and I've seen multiple multiple
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  Speaker 1: bucks come off of that island, but there's just not
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  Speaker 1: always mature. UM. So that was my number one. UM.
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  Speaker 1: The number two was about about a quarter mile away.
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  Speaker 1: Is this this wood's okay, it's just a normal block
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  Speaker 1: of woods when you look at it, budding up to
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  Speaker 1: a bean field. So when you go to that wood's
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  Speaker 1: edge and you look in it, it looks open, kind
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  Speaker 1: of like parkish, you know, not your typical woods you
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  Speaker 1: want to you want to be hunting in for mature deer.
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  Speaker 1: But if you go about a hundred yards in, there
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  Speaker 1: is remnants of an old tornado or some sort of
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  Speaker 1: super cell or something where all the trees are a
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  Speaker 1: good portions of them are down and they're creating all
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  Speaker 1: this tangle and horizontal cover and let a ton of
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  Speaker 1: sunlight in. This happened who knows, five ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's super thick like it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to walk through. You can't see into it. And that's
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  Speaker 1: another area where the big ones like to bed, and
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  Speaker 1: I've had them come out of there before. So that
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  Speaker 1: was my number two. But the reason that spot is
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  Speaker 1: so deadly, it's kind of a fairly big woods, probably
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  Speaker 1: fifty acres or so UM, but up up against the
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  Speaker 1: woods in the middle of that bean field is a
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  Speaker 1: is a drainage. Okay. So it's this little creek that's
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  Speaker 1: about two three ft wide, kind of winds through the field,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's corn or beans, just winds through the field
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  Speaker 1: on anywhere. On each side of that creek is fifty
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  Speaker 1: two let's say maybe eight yards of like swale marsh grass.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's low, it dips down. The farmer can't plant,
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  Speaker 1: it's too wet. Okay, So where do you Where do
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  Speaker 1: mature bucks like to enter into a field? Low spots
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  Speaker 1: the low spot. They always enter the low spot in
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  Speaker 1: the evening, Okay, So that's what they do. The thermals
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  Speaker 1: fall down into this low spot and that's where they
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  Speaker 1: come out. What what sweetens this spot so much is
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  Speaker 1: that this low spot is a swale of marsh grass.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they can literally enter leave that woods and
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  Speaker 1: enter into the field in that low spot and they'll
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  Speaker 1: mingle in, rut and and rub and do all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff in that little swale. And you can't see them
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  Speaker 1: unless you're right on the edge, Like if you're in
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  Speaker 1: the field, you're a hundred yards away. You can't see
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  Speaker 1: down there. It's it's too low. Um. So I've had
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  Speaker 1: good luck hunting right on the edge of that woods,
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  Speaker 1: either on the north or south side of that swale.
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  Speaker 1: I call it a swaye. I don't know what you'd
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  Speaker 1: call it, but it's a drainage, you know. It's a
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  Speaker 1: drainage that kind of winds through. Ye. So that was
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  Speaker 1: my number two. So my plan was to hunt number
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  Speaker 1: one and if he's not there, the hunt number two.
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  Speaker 1: If he's not there, hunt number three, number three. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't as confident in, but I've killed deer out of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: out of one and two. Um, so I chose number
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: one the first day. UM went in with my saddle.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Don't have a spot set up or anything this. Other
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: people hunt this, so it's like I don't have presets.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want other people norm where I'm going. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I went in and I set up on the north side.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It was it was a southernly. Um. It was like
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: it's blowing out of the south at a bit that day.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So I set up on the northern side. And and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: where you set up. You said that this betting areas
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: on a point coming off of this island, and this
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: island is inside from the edge of the timber and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the swamp. So are you actually right on the edge
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: of that island north of it. Yes, let me explain
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that a little more. So. This this island is on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the edge of the swamp okay, on the other side.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: The swamp kind of narrows down on the one side.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And what what dear do is they'll come out of
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the swamp or off that point of that island. They'll
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: come through the island, and then back behind me is
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: is his food is egg. So it's a very defined
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: traveler out from this island to the egg. Okay, they
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: can go through. They can go through the marsh where
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I waited through, but it's knee deep water. They're not
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: going to do that unless they get spooped down there.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Pressure down there. Um, it's it's very distinct. So what
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I do is I go right to the edge of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the island. I don't go onto the island. This island small.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I can cover the whole thing with my bow, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I set right right up on the edge. Um it
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: just quietly set up on the edge. I got about
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: fifteen feet up. And you know, if he's there and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: he comes out towards the food, I gotta crack at him.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: You know. Within the first ten or fifteen feet that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: he moves, probably yards, I'm sorry, ten or fifteen yards
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that he moves. So how far do you think you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: were from the bedded from the bed when you set up?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Probably seventy yards maybe, So this island is a little
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: bit higher. It dips down into more Martian like swampy area,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: but the point kind of tapers down, so he's just
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: over a little rise and he's kind of down. The
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: winds blowing the marsh grass, the swamp grass, everything's blowing.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It's creating a fair bit of noise. I was able
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to set up no problem. Um, you know, on a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: calm day that might be a little trickier. I think
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you could still do it if you're pretty good with
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: your equipment, but you just have to move slow and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: try not to make any noise. So anyway, I got
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: set up without bumping him, and the night kind of progresses.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I see a few dolls way off, way off by
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the by that other woods out in the out in
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the field there, and it's looking like it's not gonna happen.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I'm kind of glassing
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: down into that into that point, and I just see
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: kind of antler tips, so I know he's kind of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: up and he's on his feet and he's moving. I'm like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is at him. And then I see just he turns
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the side and I just see this really incredible mass
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and this deer is really massive. He's got great mass,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's him. So now
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it's just a waiting game. The light is running out
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: very fast. When I first saw him, there was maybe
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: ten minutes of light left. And he's down there and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I just see the top half of his rack and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: he's like put his head down own and I think, Okay,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: here he comes. And then all of a sudden, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: see him put his head up and he's in the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: same spot and he does this like like six or
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: seven times. I'm like, oh my God, like seriously, just come,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Like I know he's coming this way. But he's like waiting,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he's waiting for like more security darkness or something,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: or maybe he's just waiting to kind of get a
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: good whiff of whatever is around. But the wind stayed
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: pretty true. It's blowing me into a safe area and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I just need him to come before last shooting. Like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: so then he starts slowly making steps my way, like
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a few steps coming. I'm getting the bowl ready, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: then he stands there for a few minutes and I'm like,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: oh man, we're gonna run out of time here. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: then it's just it's those last couple of minutes of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: daylight and all of a sudden, you know how like
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you're watching a deer do this, and they're kind of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: waiting and they're biding their time. They're wait until they
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable or feel like they they've scented the whole area,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and then they make that decision to come, and then
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: they come, and you know it, right, it's like, yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, all, all is good, All's clear. Here
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I go, you know, like I feel, I feel comfortable.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And then he made that. I could see it. I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: can see his body and his demeanor change, and here
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he comes, and he's coming. So he's coming across that island, heading,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you know, right through the middle of it, basically right
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: towards you know, where all the food is. And he's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: coming right at me and I'm set up in the saddle.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I'm set up in this big tree, um pretty pretty
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: large tree, and so I'm on the opposite side of it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm peeking around to the left where I can
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: see him coming, and he's coming right at me. I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: was hoping he'd come more like off the side, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: yards he's coming right towards my tree. And I'm like, okay,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be you know, this is gonna be
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a really really close shot. Now I know the SHOT's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, and it's gonna be right under me, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be very close. So I leaned back to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the right so that the big tree is directly between
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: him and I, and he's already within fifteen yards of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: me and walking, and I come to full draw behind
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the big tree, which was a huge advantage to have
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the saddle in this situation. UM. Unless I had a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: tree stand facing the opposite way of the deer, which
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have done. In this case, I probably
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: would have been faced off to the right or face
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: directly at him. UM. It would have been really hard
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to come to full draw because I wasn't that high.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to get super duper high, um, because
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the canopy wasn't real high. It was a little lower. UM.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But with the saddle, I was able to literally just
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: just kind of swing back behind the tree so that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the tree blocked me, blocked me from his vision, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I came to full draw, and then I just slowly
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: swung back around and creeped around. By the time I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: creeped back around, he was at five yards like right
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: under my tree, and he was he was quartering to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: me just a little, and he was starting to smell around,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: which I thought was incredible because he hadn't even crossed
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: my as yet. But he he wasn't locked up, but
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he was like almost like he was sensing something. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, like come on, Like I purposely,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I did have to walk through the center of uh
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Like there's there's pretty much two trails that looked like
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they were kind of coming out off through that island.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I did have to cross those trails to get to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the tree I was in because of the way I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: was playing the wind, Do you get me? Okay? So,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: but what I tried to do is I tried to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: make sure I crossed them where I would already have
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a shot at that deer beforehand, Like if he was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: coming down those trails, i'd have a shot before he
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: would cross my boot trail. Is what what I tried
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to do so, but he's he's starting to sniff, like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he smells me before he even gets to my track,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like like like ten ft before, and I'm like, oh
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: my gosh, is he's smelling, you know, like he's gonna
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he's gonna bust. But I just was patient and I said,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take that shot. He's according to Well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: then he just kind of slowly starts creeping forward. He
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: turns a little more broadside. I put the pin right,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of high on his back. It's like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a not straight down, but it's a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it's a steep angle shot. Not not ideal, but with broadside, um,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not too bad. It's it's a lot
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: harder when they're right under the tree. A lot of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: times you'll get that one long. But he was out
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: about five six yards and I could get just that angle.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: If I go just into the spine, I'm gonna I'm
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: gonna get him good. So I put the pin there,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I shoot, and I see that the lighted knock berry
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like up to the fletching and he takes off and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: it was it was dark enough where I just you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it just wasn't sure. Like I said, I think that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: shots great, but it was high, but it's supposed to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be high because of the angle right. So but it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: just like if he was out thirty yards and I
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: hit him there, i'd be a little worried, but he
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: was so close, so I felt I felt pretty good.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Text to my buddy Mike to come out and help me.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Um when he ran off, I did hear him go
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: through some brush, but then I didn't hear anything. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: didn't hear a crash or anything, and I was like, oh, man,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I should have heard a crash. Karen's starting to stress
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: out a little bit. And then long story shore, we
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: give him a couple of hours just to be safe.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Buddy shows up. We started walking out there and we
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: come around the dry side so we don't have to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: wade through the water. I was like, let's you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: we're not who cares if we bumped anything. Now, let's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: just walk the dry side. And we come walking down
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and we're kind of getting someone up close to, uh
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: where the shot happened, and I kind of looked to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: my left. It's pitch dark. We don't even have any
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: lights on, and I go what's that Shine your light
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: over there? And he shines his light over there, and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: he was laying dead right there. So he only went
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: he only went about sixty yards. It was a it
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was a good double long shot, um. And we walked
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: up to him and he was he was even bigger
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: than what I thought he was, to be honest. You, um,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: his mass in trail camp pictures and stuff, it's kind
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of hard to identify mass. Like sometimes when you get
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like a real palmated one, you know he's heavy, um,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but you couldn't really tell that with this book. Um.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But his his beans are just so heavy. That's the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: best part about him. And the tall brown tens. His
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: brown times have had grown a lot from the year prior.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But he's super cool. Yeah. So so I did. Wasn't
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: trying to sound cocky or anything when I said I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: think I got a good chance of this, dear. It's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it's because he showed up where he did in this area.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: It's very clear, very distinct lines of travel, very straightforward
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: on how to hunt it. If you can stay out,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: which a lot of people can't, you know, if they
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you know, if they have trouble staying out until things
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: kind of heat up. You know, if I would have
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: been hunting that island and hunting this other spot before
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: he was there, before the activity picked up, probably wouldn't
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: have helped my cause. So tryl Camber played a big
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: role in this one. Really really interesting to hear how
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you played it and how you you waited for the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: right time, made the move, understood the property well enough
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that you knew where those top spots were, and then
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: had the plan to go in one, two, three, And
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that's cool. It was really cool to see it all
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: come together. When you texted me that morning, I was like, oh,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that buck better watch out, And sure enough, that's uh,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that's what the case was. So before, um, before, let's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: go Andy. When this podcast drops, it's gonna be November
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: six or seven, so people will be you know, right
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: in the midst of it. Um, yeah, November seven. So
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: one or two quick, just rut hunting rules from Andy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: May your couple pieces of wisdom for people hunting this
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: next week or so? Sure? Yeah, Well, I'll start off
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: by saying this is this is probably my least favorite
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: time to hunt, uh, when I'm after a particular deer,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: But if you're not after it's really hard to pattern
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: them down. Um, the movement's become much more kind of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: all over the place. But if you're just looking for
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a nice deer or any mature buck, it's it's a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: great time. Um. I'll say this, my favorite areas typically
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: depending on where where I'm hunting, I like to be on.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I like to know where dog groups bed. Um. They
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: usually kind of stay pretty similar throughout the fall, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I like to I like to play around the downwind
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: sides of those. I've had great luck with that, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it's a great spot to sit all day, um at
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: least until um, at least until like that three o'clock
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: time frame. Okay, at least till then, because what happens
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: is those dolls will come back to bed sometimes. Uh
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get bucks kind of cruising that downward side
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: early in the morning. But about my favorite time during
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the rut is like that mid morning, like that nine
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: o'clock to noon, UM, seems to be a really great
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: time for that that type of scenario. Um. Definitely, Um, definitely,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: if you can on all day, if you're in that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: type of situation, at least until three or four o'clock.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: If if once the evening hours hit like that afternoon
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: if you want to move to something more maybe kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of towards a food source or something where there's you
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: could kind of get into the cover a little bit.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: But on the way to a food source, that's not
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a bad idea. Um. The evening sits tend to be
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: a little slower on the downward sides of dope betting
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: area once the dolls start to leave. Um. So that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that's one. UM. The other one I like is just
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: your your basic funnel between dough between dope betting areas.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So I see this a lot in like river bottom ground. Um,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get it like in egg country where you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: know you've got a wood lot here that holds deer
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and and you've got a marsh here that holds deer,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and then there's some sort of strip of cover that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: connects the two or maybe just two wood lots that
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that typically hold dose. Um. Those are great spots. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: those are again great spots to sit all day at
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: least through that at least through that eleven to three
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: time frame I've I've killed. I can't tell you how
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: many big bucks I've killed. In mid day it's my
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: favorite time of day during the rut, and I've killed
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: some really old including my biggest. My my big one
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: seventy two was was that three in three in the afternoon,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: so maybe not exactly mid day, but still plenty early um,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: but a lot in that eleven to two range. UM.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I really like that time frame. And if you're if
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you're hunting either of those spots, definitely sit through that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: time frame. You can sit there the rest of the night, um,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: but you might be better off moving towards something a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: little more related to food for that afternoon. I don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: always do that. Sometimes I camp out all day because
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I really don't like leaving and then moving in um
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to a new new spot. But I will do that
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: if I don't think the evening is going to be productive. UM.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And then another tip is you're going to start to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: see the big mature box. A lot of times you'll
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: see them for the first time and they're gonna be
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: locked down with a dough. UM. They usually pick up
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the first dough or two that's in heat. When you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: see that, you have a short window. You have anywhere
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: from like a depending on when you first see him.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: If he did, he just just lock up with that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: dough or has he been with her for a day?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: He usually got like one, two, at the very most
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: three days that he's gonna be with that dough, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you can almost count that he's going to be in
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that area. Okay, So what what I've had good luck
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: with doing is when I see that, I usually a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: lot of times will get out of the tree and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I will move closer and I will set up as
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: close as possible um to where that action is. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: if you can if it's a scenario where you can
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: see and observe like um CRP type ground or marsh
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: type ground or or you know, kind of scrub brush,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: that's all the better because then you'll be able to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: see this buck kind of pushing this dough around, or
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the dough kind of moving around naturally, and he's just
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: following her, and he he's occupied. This is your time
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to dive in if you want that particular deer to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: get in tight. And I've been really aggressive when I
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: see him locked down like that, and I'm able to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: get in really close within a hundred yards sometimes closer,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and then and then it's just a matter of like
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: waiting for him to make a mistake, waiting for that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: dough to come a little closer, or when they're preoccupied
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: looking away, you can sneak in and crawling a little closer.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: That this is another good, good dog, you know, plugged
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: for a saddle. UM. You know, if you have something
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to get up in a tree and you're wearing that saddle,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that's perfect tool in that type of scenario. But if
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you see that and you're sitting two hundred yards away,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: get down and move closer if you can, if you
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: have that ability to stay mobile, um, And it's a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: very very re least move into that area the next
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: day and and you're in the game. They're gonna be
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: in that area that that that buck will not let
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that dough go too far. And the only way I've seen, um,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: when one's locked down with a dough. The only time
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I've seen a buck move an area like more than
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like two or three hundred yards is when another buck
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: comes in and tries to tries to, you know, interfere
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: with that that breeding process. That buck, the big buck,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the more mature buck will meet and and chase that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: other buck off, and then I've seen the dough take off.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So I've seen the dough take off like two three
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: yards and and now they're in a different area. But
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that's I've seen that happen multiple times. I saw that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: in Iowa on a big buck um that I end
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: up shooting. Luckily, this other buck came across the crp
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: faield the buck I was hunting challenge that buck. The
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: doe came running right by me. And then once that
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: buck chase that I went off, he came. He came
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: right by me and I got a shot. So nice
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: when that happens. Yeah, those are those are probably some
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: tips that I'd try to keep in mind, you know
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: during the rut and you know, just putting a lot
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of times it's just putting in time out in the tree,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: you know. Don't overlook that that midday time frame. Yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: good stuff, my friend, good stuff. I appreciate you taking
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a little time to help us introduce this episode with
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: your story and some quick tips. Um. At this point
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: we're recordings on Halloween, so about a week before this
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: podcast will go out. I still haven't had my rut success,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: but hope they'll change here soon and uh maybe we'll
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: be able to chat again here with a couple more
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: success stories in the in a matter of days. Al right, buddy,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: sounds good. All right, We're gonna now flip it over
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: to my chat with Travis Faulkner with a whole lot
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: more rut hunting info and stick around for a deer
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: hunting joke at the end. It's worth the weight, all right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Before moving on that, we need to thank our friends
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: over at first light. And I'm out there hunting the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: white right now. And here's what I'm wearing. I'm wearing
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: a couple different sets of their bass layers, depending on
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: how cold it is. It's really cold and wearing their furnace.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: That's three fifty level bass layers. If it's warmer and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: running there one fifty or two fifty layer bass layers.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Then on the bottoms. The next thing I add would
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: be straight to the main piece, which is these Solitude bibs.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: On the top. I'm gonna be wearing those bass layers.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I just mentioned that them to throw on top the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: claymath hoodie. If it's super duper cold, they might layer
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a vest or something like the Brooks jacket, which is
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a really lightweight down sweater. And then finally overtop is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: going to be the Solitude jacket. Uh. And of course
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: gonna throw in a beanie, some gloves, and I'm ready
• 36:41
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• 36:52
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• 36:54
  Speaker 1: new Navigator series, their new lace up boots. I've been
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: testing them for the last I don't know, three weeks now.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I took him on that Minnesota Boundary waters hunt. That
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: was my main boot and it worked great. I mean,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that was the ideal type of boot to have for
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that hunt because I wanted something super comfortable for hiking
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: all over the place. We're going up and down these
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: big rocky ridges, hiking all over the place. They're comfortable.
• 37:16
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• 37:18
  Speaker 1: out of the canoe and uh, I have no complaints.
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• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Now on the line is Travis Fultoner. Welcome to the show. Travis.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: It's good to be here. I really appreciate it. Like
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: we were just saying before we started recording, This is
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a real busy time for folks, so I know it's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: no small thing to carve out the time out of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the tree stand to chat. So thanks. Yeah, it's like
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I said, it's time of being the woods and not
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: on the phone. But you know, we'd like to take
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Tom too a little deer on soil. You know, we're
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: good to go on that good. Well, for all those
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that maybe aren't familiar with who you are yet, could
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you give us just a quick cliff notes in row
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: on who you are what you do in the hunting world. Yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm Travis Father. I'm an outdoor rider. Um, I also
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: teach school and and don't I can't remember while I've
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: been riding for that dooor maybe the stuff I write
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: for a little bit of everybody like Outdoor Life and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Film Stream, North American Light, Tell Turkey Country magazines like that,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and uh. I grew up in the mountains of southeastern
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Kentucky Appalachian Mountains, and you know, like most boys right here,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I grew up in you know, in the outdoors. My dad,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, practically carried me round in the woods before
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I was even able to walk, you know, on squirrel
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: hunts and stuff. And I was fortunate enough to know
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: my grandfather growing up. And you know, those two guys
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: are not only taught me a lot, you know in
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the woods, they taught me a lot, you know, about life,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know, through taking me hunt and fishing and whatnot.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And uh, I've just pretty much lived my life you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in the woods and on the lake and and uh,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, fortunately I was able to you know, kind
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of make a career out of my riding and stuff
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, making appearances on shows on that door channel,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: shoot the videos and stuff like that. You know, that's
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: when it's want live to do. Yeah, it's it's a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: it's a real fulfilling and fun way to make a living,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. It doesn't feel like we're that's pretty
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: lucky to be able to do it, that's for sure. Um.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You mentioned squirrel hunting, and I was actually just reading
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a pretty recent piece of years and you were talking
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: about maybe it was your dad or some other friend
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of yours who said that the best way to get
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: good at deer hunting is to be a squirrel hunter.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you my dad and my grandfather said that,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and also Harold lied or not Hal you know, told
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: me they don't lainew many times he said, you know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: if you shuns pretty much the foundation and sad thing
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: today is a lot of kids are it's out well
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: necessarily sad, but a lot of kids just jump out
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: into the deer hunting in Turkey on him because the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: deer and turkeys so plentiful now, whereas you know, when
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I was a kid and from the older generations when
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: they were growing up, there just weren't a lot of
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: deer and the zero turkey's. So we you know, we
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: squirrel hunted and rabbit hunted and and of course with
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: deer hunted back then. But there was a roll of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the difference between now and then, you know, back in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: those days. If if you've seen it though you were
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: calling your friend, you know, tell them about if you've
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: seen tracks. I mean, you just have the numbers that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: we have today and and that's um, it's kind of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a good and a bad thing. The good thing about
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that is is there are fewer deer and whatnot. You
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: really had You really had to know your stuff. You
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: had to be able to scout and and and know
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: what to do and be able to find sign. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: know how to react to that sign and and uh,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: you know, it really made you a better deer hunter.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: But going back to the squirrelling poor, I mean, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I strongly believe with those guys that you know, scoure
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: hunting is the foundation, because that's where you you learn
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: your woodmanship skills out. You know how to identify the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: different masteries, how to be quiet, how to dis preen
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: your surroundings, reading an animal's body language, reading sign uh
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: sneaking through the woods, all that stuff you know you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: learn from squirrel hunting. Yeah, I was one of those
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: kids who didn't get into squirrel hunting. I wish I had.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I shot squirrels, but it was kind of you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: sitting behind the house and you want to shoot something
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: as a kid. And I did that, but I never
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: took it serious. And I wish I had. UM probably
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: have learned a few important things earlier than I did.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Um that woodsman shipped, like you said, is is pretty
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: underrated these days, isn't it. Yeah, it's it's underrated. I mean,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of people you only watched the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: TV and I see a guy in uh, you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: it's over manicured food plot and in a shooting the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: else and and you know it was rand astrail cameras
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: or he's had a guy. So you know, eight thirty,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be uh, you know, one forty class one
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: class book come out, you know, from the east and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the end of the field and and all that's great.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm you know, definitely, I definitely not cutting
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: over food pots stuff like too. But growing up here
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: in the mountains, we didn't we don't have a lot
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of food plots or fields, and you just had miles
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and miles and miles of woods. And that really made you,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: like I said, you had to have your woodness ship
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: skills on the on the next level, you know, to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: get to where you had the opportunity even you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: see if very much less shoot one. So it's you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it's a lot, it's a it's a lot different. You know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: hunt around here and stuff. And I squir hunting, you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: without a doubt, maybe a better you know, all around hunter,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: maybe a better deer hunter and a better turkey hunter.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And um, you know, growing up, like I said, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: hunted my pappa, my dad and my uncle's and we
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: used to go to beat each other at squirrel one.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, we love the hunt part,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but we also like to get back of the truck
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and swapping stories and see who killed the most. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: we usually used bolt Action twenty two with scopes and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: we try to head shoot, and we wouldn't even count
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the squirrel, you know, unless it was head shot. So
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: if you brought back six squirrels and only four of
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: them are head shot, you know you only killed four
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and so forth. But it and and that's no thing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You had to really pick your shots. You have to
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: be able to snake and and uh um, squirrel hunting.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of people that didn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: grow up like I did doing it, they've got a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: long impression about what you know, what it is. I mean,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you when you're in a deer stand, it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: seemed like the squirrels where ever, or I mean, they're
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they're running up the tree besides you there, you know
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: before on the all time you sometimes you think they
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: might be dear and that the squirrels are running. Everybody think, man,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: if I you know, if I was scrowling, you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the scrowling stuff is easy. But if you scure hunt,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you know, pressured areas, the squirrel has been hunting and stuff.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've gotta be able to snake, you'll be
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: able to move through the woods. And and the way
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: we always did it, we didn't just go out and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: flat then under a hcornut tree that had cuttings under
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, wait for the squirrel that you know
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: come to us. We would move through the woods, you
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: know where you have to be able to snake and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and and identify the different trees and nowhere to go
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. You know, look up
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: at their rising and you can see if the little
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: branch go down and back up, you knew that was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: a squirrel. You could identify that even if it was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: windy and stuff. And um as far as like like
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I said, we've talked with rifles and and a lot
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: of times you'd come up on like a beech nut
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: tree or acrenut tree or wide oak tree and then
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: have multiple squirrels in it. And you know, guys that
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: aren't experienced squirrel hunters were just ease up there and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: shoot the first squirrel they got a good shot at
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and you can kill it that way. But the way
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: we would do it is we would cherry pick the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: tree and what I mean by that is if the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: if the tree had six squirrels in it and they
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: were spread out on tree cut and uh, we would
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: get in position to shoot where we could see most
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: of the tree and would get a lane and you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: would you would shoot the squirrels lower down and work
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: your way up and you put space in between your shots.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And um, if you would do that, you could end
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: up killing five if the squirl has and it's the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: tree at five or six worlds, you could kill up
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to five and possibly even six worlds if you did
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: it right. And the reason why you start the bottom.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: You know, if you shot one out the top and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it fell through the other ones that were in the tree,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know eating, they would they would see that, they
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: would get spooked. But if you shoot the lower ones
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: out and and uh, you know, put some time in
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: between your shots and wait a lot of times when
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the first shot, even with the rife, we know they
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: stopped cutting, like you know what was that If you
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: don't let they're looking around or being wary and and
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: if you don't move and don't do anything sooner or
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: later want to get greeting start you know, cut of
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: hiccornut again and drop a little bit of another, so
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: well it must be fine that one, and so I'm
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: will start eating and they don't start eating again, and
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: you pick another one out and you could, like I said,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you could put some space in between the shots and
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you could clean out an entire toree. And you know
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that's that was the wordsmanship skilled part of it. And um,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: today a lot of it seems like a lot of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: hunters to get away from, you know, from the wordsmanship skills,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: which is which is kind of silly. Yeah, it's interesting
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that that that idea of working the tree like that.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It's sounds just like, uh, you know, I've been getting
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the fly fish in the last half decade or something
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the same thing, like work in a pool and start
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: at the back and work your way out because they're
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: facing upstream. Um, that's pretty interesting. You talked about how
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: when you're deer hunting, it feels like squirrel hunting should
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: be easy, you know, because you're seeing all over the place.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like we get the same thing as deer hunters.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: When you talked to a friend or family member who
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't deer hunt, and they're like, while you're out there
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: all the time, it seems so easy. I seen when
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I drive to work every day, Right, I hate that. Yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I think they could be. And a lot the start
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: of that one as a brother law or somebody was
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a deer hunter and he's talking how lucid they were
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff and and wrong kind
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of making fun because he didn't deer and the other
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: real lousive. You know, I've got head bites on and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: blowing the horn and up doing up hitting one. But
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it's it's a whole different ball game when you're you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in the in their environment and you know a lot
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: of people go like the state parks and stuff, and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I'll see the deer and the deer little walk right,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: bim and whatnot, and you know, and they'll feed, but
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes find up somebody's hand and stuff. They think,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Manda's this deer and it's not hard at all. And
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, yeah, i'll tell you what comes in in
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the mountains with me after about the first week a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: gun season and and talk to me about how easy
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: it is. It's a different different worlds and they're like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you're in their environment. They've been hunted before. Yeah, a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: whole different story. So speaking of that, then when this
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: episode is going to drop for the world to here,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be smack dab in the middle of what
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: probably most people consider to be the best hunting of
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the entire year, right in the middle of that first
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: two weeks in November. Um, that period is still ahead
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of you and me right now as we talk, though,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: So what are you going to be doing over the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: next couple of weeks? What's your what's your planet? You
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: hunt at home and you're traveling? What are you got
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: in the store? I live in, like I said, in
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: south east Katucky, round in Tennessee, Kentucky one and um
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Kentucky and Tennessee. And I'm gonna go up to Ohio
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: this year, and I gotta try up. There'st got some
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: proper people will go on in southern Ohio and think
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: about may possibly even going to uh southern Indiana, depending
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: on you know, how the other states and stuff go.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: But you know, from now till January, I'm planning on
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: being in the woods as much as as much as
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: possible and as um farther rutting stuff goes. I think,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a you know, the myths of you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: know that Big Bucks just lose their minds and they're
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: out just chasing and then you know they're they're running
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: around everywhere. You know, there's a little bit of truth
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to that, but I think sometimes people get uh, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: uh kind of a false idea about what what that entails.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not just gonna flop out in the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: woods and sit down and you know a monster buck
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: run right over top of you. And sometimes that does
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: happen on them. You always show the story about the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: guy that hadn't scouted all years, didn't even want, you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the plan on hunting, and and well and caused all
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: his buddies decidety was gonna go go that and borrows
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the gun or buy the gun at Walmart the night before,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and just and and sitting out there and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and and I just dropped him off anywhere. And he's
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: sitting out there and gets board, walks around or scientistical
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: back to the truck, you know, the warm up or
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: something and ends up shooting a boon a truck at buck.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, you know that that can happen, you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of factors. You know, they're big
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: bucks are definitely on the moves. You're seeing more daytime activity.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And then you've got the hunt pressure in the woods,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, bucks that are normally nocturnal can
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: get bumped and jumped and ran right over top of somebody,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and and that does happen. But that, you know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: is pretty much luck. And I'll take luck, don't get
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: me wrong. But if you want to be consistent, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you've got to be able to you gonna have some
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: strategies and tactics, you know, for hunting or run. You
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: can't just go out there and hope for the best.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And you know, like buying a lottery ticket, you know
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you can't. You can't have that mentality that will get
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: your buck right now and then where if you do
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it the right way, you know you can you can
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: get bucks season after seasons or in the rut. Yeah,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: so would that be in the case then when your
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: rut hunts kick off here maybe today or soon in
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the next few days or whatever it is. Um, what
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: do you what does that look like for you? Do
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you go in and you know, are you thinking just
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: basically a right, I've got this property and hunting, and
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I have got this many spots set up for certain
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: wind directions and you're just gonna check the wind and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: do it or or what's on your mind right now
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: leading up to these next couple hunts. Well, I'm a
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: firm believer in um uh, you know, there's there's transitional
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: phases of the rut, and how you have the rut
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: depends on what transit, you know, what current transition that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you're in, and what the deer doing. And um, you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: some guys go out there and they find some you know,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: fresh scrapes and rugs and some hot sign and they
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: throw a stand up or pop up the blind and
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: that's where they're gonna hunt. And sometimes that works. Um,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: but I've learned, you know, over the years, I've kind
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: of find two my tactics, you know, to meet each
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: transitional phase, you know, activities going on like right now,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I rank cameras this morning before I before I was
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: talking to you here, and and um, I've seen, you know,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: we're going in. I've seen some scrapes that weren't there,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: you know a week ago, you know, with scrapes and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: rubs are starting to pop up and everything and and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: it's like I said, a good time to be in
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the woods. And what's going on right now, and its
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: particular transitions what I call the it's the scouting and
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: roaming stage. And what I mean by that is the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: mature bucks that are gonna be doing a lot of breeding.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: What they're doing right now, you know, they're obviously their
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: territorial they're they're scraping, and they're rubbing, they're doing all that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: But what they're doing and I've got like on one property,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I've probably got um one of the locations on mine
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: probably right now, I've got ten cameras out. And when
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to see and I see this every year,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: it's about this time of year here in southeast Kentucky,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: what the bucks are doing. They're out scouting for those
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and when I'm they're going to the dough hotspots, are
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: going to, you know, dough betting areas, dough feeding areas,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the dough travel routes, that kind of stuff, and they're
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: scouting when those dolls are at and when they find
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a hotspot place like that, they are usually they're gonna
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: leave a big scrape. You know, they're gonna make some rubs,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: are gonna leave a scrape, and they're letting those does
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: know that, Hey, you know I'm here, and they'll also
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: go you routinually go through and check those and the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: dolls will go in and urinated and let them know
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: that they're there even when they're not in hete. I mean,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I've got I've got video and pictures right now of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: those urinate and you know, in in the scrape and
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: some of the mock scrapes that I've made that you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: they're not in heat, you know, by no means, but
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: they're just letting another you know that they're there. And
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: there's I've got young bucks, you know, coming up and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: working you know, established scrapes and mock scrapes that I've maink.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: But while I talk about the scouting and roaming, we
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: had one buck that um about two weeks ago. He
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: was in a you know, a textbook feeding the bedding
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: pattern and um, in Kentucky you can put out corn
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and you know, apples and stuff like that. It's legal
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to put that out here during deer season. And uh,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of acrons this year. And I had
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: a spot that's down in the hollars, you know how
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the in and there's a lot of white oak and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: red oak and pin oak trees. And and how Sybio
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: had some corn and stuff like that and had a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: camera over the feed and we had this deer coming
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: in you know sometimes you know, right after dark, sometimes
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the middle and I you know are sometimes before we
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: went back to bed and and every now and you
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of daytime activity from it. But
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: he was mainly feeding in bed. He's what he was doing.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: And about a week ago I started we started put
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: that some mork scrapes and stuff on other cameras on
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: this same property, and he was a good mile a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: half two miles from where we've been getting and uh,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: working on mark scrapes. And we had another mark scrape
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: probably about a mile a half from there, and he
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: was on it the same day, like two hours later,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: he was on it. And what he's doing is he's
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: going around in those areas, he's working scrapes. He's letting
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: those know he's there, and he's getting an idea where
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the those are gonna be at because he knows this.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: This isn't his first rodeo. You know, he's a veteran.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: He's probably a five or six year old buck, and uh,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: he knows that when the dose start coming into ansters.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: He's know whether they're going to be at and he'll
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: make a milk run. And what I mean by that,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: he'll go to each spot, sit check and looking for
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: those you know in those areas, and they'll go the
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: next spot. He'll go the next spot till he finds one.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: And he finds one, he'll try to lock it down
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and breed and then he'll go right back again. He'll
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: go on that that same you know, those same areas.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: He's just going to each area. It's kind of like
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: a gobbler all the strut zone. You know they got
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: they got strut zone. They'll hit one strut zone and
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: they'll spit and drum and gobble and if they if
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the hens come to them, you know, they hook up
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: or not, they'll go the next struts. I'm gonna do
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the same thing the bucks are kind of doing there
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: in that mode right now, like they're they're scouting and
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: romans and and looking for the area that you know
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: when when the dig show starts, they're gonna know where
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, what time period do you think that
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: that scouting roaming period consists of, because right now we're
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: talking on October, But when do you think that usually
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: starts and stops, give or take. That's usually around the ear.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And I mean, you know I've seen it, you know
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: another state's line. I'll find it the Illinois. I found
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: in Kansas. I'm in a lot of the place and
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: usually you know, the Midwest, and it's usually um towards
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the end of October, and they'll go away up to
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: about the about the first week of November, and then
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the second week of Novembers when you start seeing a
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: second phase around here, which is the you know they're
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: they're they're cruising and and and I actually sent checking
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and looking for those to breed. You know that that
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: stuff's going on. And then then you know, going into
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the chasing and breeding stage. Start ahead, go bug ahead.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, can you elaborate then on that
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: second and third stage it a little bit more. Yeah,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the the stage is wow. I used to breakdown. I've
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: written ague stuff about you know, you've got the pre rut,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: which is the you know, the beginning there and uh,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that's usually when season comes in and they're usually locked
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: to a textbook feeding bedding pattern, that kind of stuff,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: going to watering hose and know it's a little bit
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: warmer during that time, and then it'll transition into you know,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: get you up into October, and a lot of biologists
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and stuff refor to that is, uh, that period of
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a late pre rut, but you also
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: start seeing um, some activity that makes people think, oh
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: my gosh, you know the ruts early this year. It's
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: way early. You know, I hated that. Every year I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: get I can't tell you all, Like on Facebook, I
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: get messages from people I don't even know, man, the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: ruts early this year. I see the buck chasing the
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: dough and and they're not like you know, I mean
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: as a hundred hundred you know, since I've been able
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to walk. You know, people I said, well, those guys
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: are lying. They're not, but they're actually seeing some activity
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: with the lots of what they're seeing. They're seeing the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: younger bucks, you know that that are they're wanting to breed.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: They're fired up, they're anxious. They don't just don't know
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. They don't have a clue that those
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: aren't an astor ship and they and they and you've
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: seen it, you know yourself. You know hunting, you have
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: three or four dolls out feeding, buying their own business.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: No sudden, you know, a spike or a little basket
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: rack will come in and you see that they'll start
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: getting nervous, you know, right off the bat. And he
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: comes in, you seem he'll like bristle up and make
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: a show one that he'll try to come up on
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: one and and try to climb up on her, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: she'll run off, and then and then she'll stop, and
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: then and then they'll start feeding again. He'll feed a
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: little bit, and he'll go to another one, try to it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes you'll get on one and they'll chase
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: them plumbat of the out of sight. You know that happens.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, those doughs aren't ready to breed. That's
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: not a rut. He's not he's not breeding those doughs.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But what does happen sometimes is biologists will tell you
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: that the oldest dose in the herd will come in,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: you know, coming Estra's first, and a lot of times
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that is me October. And you actually see a mature
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: buck on a you know, on a dog like that,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you know, pushing her or even breeding or whatever. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: then people think, oh my gosh, you know the ruds early,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: but the rest of the majority of the herd, I'm
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: not going to come in, you know, the asters until
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: about the second week in November, aunty or now that
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, And that's going to vary from state to state.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: You know, when you go south, you've got you know,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: it's way later than that. But you know, but around
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: here about the second week in November all the way
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: up to light November twenty five is when you know
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of the breeding and stuff is going on.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: So so those bucks are once they're moving into that
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: cruising phase, then they're starting to really hit those key
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: dough areas just more often and more in daylight. What
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you're saying, yep, yep, yep. We got some of our
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I got a video, one video. I got several videos
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: of the buck I was telling you about a few
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: days ago on two of our Mark scrapes. And we
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: usually put those cameras on video mode because I like
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: the video model where your batteries down a lot quicker,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and if it takes a lot longer to
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: go through the videos. But when you put them on
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: a Mark scrape like it, I mean, I love seeing
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I love I love watching that I love watching them,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: you know, walk up to and urinating the scrape, put
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the rack up in the old king branch and you know,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: lick on the branch, doesn't you know, bite off branches?
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Do you know? Work the thing and plus what that
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: does that you know, pictures can be deceiving, you know,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: depending on how close the deer is to the camera,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the lighting, the angle of that kind of stuff. Because
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you know Nel as well as I do. You know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: in the past, you know, I'm sure you've got pictures
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: before you think, man, I'm on a shooter. You know
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that that's a shooter. And then you get a couple
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of pictures a couple of days later, and you know
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it's the same deer, Like you don't have a you
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: need crack like maybe a kicker on this G two
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So you know it's the same deer. And
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: you're thinking that there might need another year, right, that
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: there might be a three or four year old, when
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I was thinking it was a five year old. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: then you know, and then you see in person, then
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: you then then you'll love. But with the video they
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: come up, you would get all angles of the rack.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: You know you're getting on you know, with their head down,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: their head up sideways, and that you can you can
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: judge them a little better. And plus, like I said,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: just cool watching them watching them work those scrapes. My
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: son last year, I think I was like him and
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: him and he killed He kept one over the mock
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: scrape that uh that we made, and um, it was
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: awesome coming and and uh, he was wanting to shoot
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: it right off the bat made him. I made him
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: wait just a little bit because I wanted to get
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: that footage, you know, at work in the scrape. And
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and that's it's easy to say when you're running the camera,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: when you're buying the camera, you can say stuff like that,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: But when you're you know, you're behind the gun or
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: behind the bow, it's a different different story. But he
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: was patient. He let me get some good footage of it,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and he knocked in the nerds. So um, like right now,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm fired up. You know, I wish
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I was in the woods. I'm having to work today,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and um, I wanted to take some time to talk
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: to you, and I go go right back to work
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: and get everything done. I'll try to I'll try to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: take some time off, you know, our gun season comes
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: in here the second Saturday November. I try to take
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: some time off, you know, during that time, hunt my
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: son and my dad ands I'm I'm excited about it,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: but I thought the being the wood right now, right
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: now is one of my favorite times to be in
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: the woods. UM for the next few weeks. UM this
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: scattering the Roman stage I was telling you about, you can,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: They're really territorial during that that period you're starting semi
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: more daytime activity and going back to these transitional phases.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I try to adjust my tactics and my setups, my
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: strategies to that, you know, the current phases and that
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: that we're in and like right now, you know, I'll
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: use mark scrapes, I'll hunt over existing scrapes. UM. You can.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: You can, you know, you can be versatile, lookin on
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: what kind of situation stuff you're in, and you can
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: you can go all out and and and you know,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: hit them with tactics that attack all three senses, which
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I like doing, you know, tacking their eyes or nose
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: in their ears. And and one way of doing that
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: is you can take our nose we know, with sense
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and stuff and take her years with calling and tacked
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: their eyes with a decoy. Um. I've used um like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: up in Illinois and especially Illinois it's a good state
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: to deco. And I've used decoys are in here too.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: You know during the boat season. I don't do that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: much turn the gun seasons will get shot season to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: somebody come in and it looked like Swiss cheese or
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: decoys when they get done with it. But I kind
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, by one, you know, you can
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: get away with that. I'll put a I'll put a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: buck decoy out and and uh they're you know and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: marking mox scrape and and put some um some chartial
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: glance in and dominant buck urine and and um. If
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not seeing anything, I may I'm even blind called
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit to a you know, a couple of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: agitated you know grunts or smort waves or something like that.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: An't get one to you know, to come in that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: decoy idea what time or which phases of the rut
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: are you trying? That? Is that just uh, you know
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: roaming and scouting time period? Is that like you you've
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: gotta you need to match your That's a good question.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: You need to try to match my decoy set ups.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: My calling tactics everything to go like like I said,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: like the current transition, like right now, you know, a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: single buck decoy, like an intruder buck decoy is a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: good tactic to use, and I'll use it over the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: next you know, the next couple of weeks and um um,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: you can put them out and and and and you know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and just kind of get a feel for what the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean, if if you see them, if
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you're starting to get some day to my activity bucks
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: working an existing scrape or a mark scrape during the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: day and that kind of stuff, and there you can
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: see their nexts are swelled up. I mean you can
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: see a big difference. I mean, like a couple of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, you know they look normal. Now they look
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: like monsters. I mean they're two and three year old
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: bucks are looking like they're you know, they're next and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: stuff for NFL line and they're huge and they're swelled
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: up and they're just like, you know, look like different
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: animals now and you know their territorial it's what they're
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: and you can key and on that exploited if you
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: if you do it right. But I'll use a I'll
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: use a button and not all the time. I mean,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying every time I go out and set up,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I'm attacking all three. You know, in the right situations,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I'll take a buck be coy and and like I said,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I'll use some dominant buck heren and and um some
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: tarsal gland and stuff like that and and uh and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: just see what happens, and occasionally hit him with some
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: some column things is you know, just do some like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: agitated grunts. And another good tactic is one you can
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: do uh with that that same scenario, you can do
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: a grunt and rub and what I mean by that,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you can take an antler. Um. You know, if everybody's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: got most people got sheds and stuff, take a shed
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: antler and and when you get their things set up,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: especially during the long periods where you're not seeing a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: whole lot of action and stuff. And sometimes if the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: if the deers within earshot, you can you can take
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: that antler and you can rub it on a Samplin tree,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: rub it and do a couple of agitated grunts. Rub
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: it again, you know, And and and it's all about realism.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, deers here and a lot of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of people go out and and they've watched
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the outdoor channel. They've seen a guy rattling them in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: of Texas, and they'll go out and they rattle like
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: cray easy and they do this and do that, and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: they're they're you know, they're doing it way too much
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: and way too loud, and and they're not seeing a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: whole lot of wonder. Well, heck, that worked on TV,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: but it didn't work here. Well, you've gotta match your
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: calling tacttes is the current transition. So what I'm saying
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: like this this rub and um, this scrunt and rub tactic,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it'll work because that's what they're doing right now.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Their territories. They're making rubs and they've they've got their
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: quarries established, like you know, this is my domain. This
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: is where I'm gonna be breeding that. These are my dolls.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: You know, let's have the dominant bucks looking at it.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And if you went in there and worked his scrape
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: or made a mark scrape in his area, and then
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: he's within the near show and he may be you know,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: bedded down, and he hear you in there grunt and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: going on and making a rub and stuff that that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: ticks him off he doesn't like that, you know, and
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll come in. I I killed one. Um, it's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: probably been three or four years ago. It rant on
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the Night and Hill Show on out Door Channel, and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: it was here in the mountains and we got in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: there as the evening hunt is about this time of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: year out here, and the buck we had on camera
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: was completely nocturnal. I mean, he was just he was
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: a ghost. I mean I had, like I said, I
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: had ten eleven cameras out and you know, had him
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: pretty much paid where he was bed and had his
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: stage in area where he was feeding that at his
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: travel rail. I knew all that stuff, but we just
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: won't get a whole of the daytime activity. And then
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: he started showing up some during the day and working
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: on Marks Grave when he was out you know, like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I said, he was at Romans Scount looking for those
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: and I knew that was the time I could capitalize on,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of it. So we got Litree
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and I The anny thing is we got in there,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: the cameraman and I and UM, there was a there
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: was an already a couple of those. It was one
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: of those cloudy, overcast days and I had to work,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: but I got in there early. I mean I left
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: work a little early and got into a three thirty.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: You know, you know, they were already in there, and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: uh so we had to sit there and wait, you know,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: for them to kind of kind of feed out. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I had, luckily, I had had the camera that the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: wires camera sends the pictures to your phone, which was
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: cool because I knew before going down in there if
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: there was any deer in there. He had the camera
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: facing towards the double set stands, and you know, I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: had a pretty good idea of with any deer you know,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in that area and and and we could see those
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: those so we basically just let them feed on out
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: and left and uh so we smuckle that in there,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: didn't bump any deer guy in the stand and got
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: everything got set up and just perfectly and co front
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: coming in overcast, cloudy, I mean, just you know, deer
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: hunter's dream got in there, and we had a couple, um,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: we had a couple of basketbacks come in and you know,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: they were coming in and they were seeing a little
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: bit and they were and then they got too close
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: to see their next bist or up and they they'd
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: lock up and push each other. They weren't like fighting
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: violently or anything like that. They just push you due
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: back and forth, and that all that stuff was going on,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: and uh, we see them on that to join everything.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And at that time the hulla blow us a cow
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: comes up and those deer lost their minds. I mean
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: they blew and they ran right down into the area
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: with a buck that we were hunting where he was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: generally been betting at. So you know that that could
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: have messed up the entire hunt because I know they
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: ran about a top of them. They were blow in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: every few minutes. I was like, oh my gosh, you know, like, man,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: that's that's a perfect thing. And that's even right before
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: a co front, I know, I mean just had it
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: my guy. I knew he was gonna probably come out
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and give us a shot. And out here these jokers
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: are down everybody. I'm just going crazy. And um, what
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I've learned though a long a long time ago hunting
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: and as I've seen, like we was talked to, when
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: these a lot of these young bucks chase those and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: they're not ready to breed, those dolls will will blow
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: luck that you know, when they're being harassed and aggravated.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: And I've seen them blow lup, you know, just like
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: they would if they've they've seen something they didn't like,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: or they you know, they picked up human sing or colley,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: since they do that, but occasionally do it because of that.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: So I did that. I blew like a duck with
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: my mouth, you know, back where he's at. I mean,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I did it like a little young buck tending grunt.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: You know. I've got a grunt call that I can adjust,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you know, sound like a young bucks, sound like a doze,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: sound like a you know, mature buck or whatever. And
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I did like a little young buck tendon grunt, you know,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and like he was a asser. And by that you're
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: just saying, like about you, it's kind of it's kind
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: of it's more of a nasally type grunt. You know.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have that day to have that base to it,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: you know, but you can tell us a book and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and uh, I did that, and it wasn't I've got
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: a list off him. This is not just some you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: just some some un story. I mean, this all happened
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: and it ran out that door. We were sitting there
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and I had a young cameraman at the time, and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and uh, he was crazy about deer hunt and he'd
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: killed some deer, but he had never you know, he
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: was always an impression his day and granted a hunter
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: around here. And and you know, people just didn't call
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: a lot, you know, because you just call them what.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: They didn't think Colin was very effective and all that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And and a lot of them it
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: seemed to you know, the shows on TV with the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Hunt Texas ner Rattle and you were just running for
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: every direction and they tried to hear it didn't work.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: So they just said, how call it doesn't work here?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: And Colin does work. Colin works everywhere. You know, your
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: vocal everywhere. It's just you're just gonna match what, you know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: what they're doing at the time we're calling. And of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: what happened was we're sitting up there and he said,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: why why did you do that? You know, he's whispering
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: using the standing by me, and I told myself, thought
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: to take right after that, I'll take what I was done,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: you know. So he was there and thinking, you know what,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: what was he doing that? And um, all of a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: sudden down in the holloway or you know, deep at
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: deep pitch and he goes, he goes. He his eyes
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: got I mean bigger of saucers. He said, if you
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: said you take up with somebody somebody called a grut
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: cause and no, that's that's not that's not somebody, that's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's a that's the buck. And that's
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the right where he beat at those bucks that just
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: had ran down there. Only and um, he could hear
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: we start hend stick. It was dry at starting sticks
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: breaking here and that Steady walk, I mean he was
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: just he come in all stiff flag like Frankenstein, you know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: all stiff legged, bristled up mad. I mean he was.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: He was mad and I could literally hear my camera
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: and breathing. I mean he was, I mean he was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: in the stand above me. But he was just so
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: fired because he never heard a bug be vocal and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: and it's Stuart was before he got up there, he'd
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: never heard by Bucks noort Ways before, so he's seen
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: it on TV and that kind of stuff. But when
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: he heard that, I mean he was just he was
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: just about to lose his mind. And so it comes
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: up there after smort Ways, Steady walked up there, hit
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: my marks great wore it out. We got footage of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: it just wearing the mark scraped out. You know, it's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: pollen and dirt's gots rack up in the Reagan branch
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: bit and stuff. It's your and I mean it's awesome,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: just just I mean, just beautiful footage. And it comes
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: on that from Mark straight who comes over right her
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: most of the calling and right into one of my
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: shoot lanes and I was all right at full drawing
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: and I smacked it. I mean he watched it fault
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: inside of the staying. It read about forty yards and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: you know, piled up. But um, that hunt would in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: my opinion, you know, it's sometimes it's hard to say
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: what would happen, what wouldn't have happened. But in my opinion,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: if I hadn't done the calling there, I don't think
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that buck would have come out after dark. I think
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: it would have been thinking, you know, a predator jumped
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: those those young bucks made him better on it. But
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: there was something there was possibly something drew up there.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: If he was going to go through it had probably
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: been after doorter. But I think when he heard that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: he heard them doing that and he heard the uh
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: probably got him alarmed. And then when he heard me
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: do the you know that ten and grunt and then me,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: do you know, I'll blow in my mouth, you know,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: right when he was doing that, when I was doing
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: the tenor grunt, I think he was convinced at a
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: buck it might have been a little bit bigger than
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: the two that ran in on top of him. Was
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: up there head ran them off, and them was up
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: there harassing that though, And that's what I think he thought,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and he was gonna go up there and let him
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: know who who the boss was. Yeah, So what about
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned the fact that calling can be
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: effective if it's done, you know, at the right times
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: to match the right time of year or situation. So
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: what about some of the other typical calls we're thinking of,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: like a snort, wheez or donast something like that. When's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: the right to something like I'm trying to me in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: the ruption. What what I'll do right now is we're
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: doing this territory or scout in the Roman stage, I'll
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: do some of the agitated grunts, little deep grunts. I'll
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: do that grunt and rug technique I was telling you about,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: and um and stuff like that, and the snort ways. Um.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I usually don't do UM until I see a buck.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: And if I see a buck and it's at a
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: bow range and it's going the opposite direction or you know,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: it's going away from me, I might already say I'm
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: not going to get a shot. I'll hit him with
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: the stort ways of the short ways of tricky votivation.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: You can do it sometimes. And a buck or coming
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: there wanting to I mean just bristled up, wanting to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: wanting to fight the world, And you can do it
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: other times. And a buck that's been whipped and stuff,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and maybe a mature buck and may even be a
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: shooter buck, but if it's been whipped before or or
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you know, bucks are just like people. You know, You've
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: got some people that you know you look in the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: wrong way, they're ready to fight you. And you've got
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: other people that will go ten miles out of the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: way to avoid any kind of confrontation, you know, and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and deer and stuff with the or the same way,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: especially once we've been with so I've seen dear you know,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: respond to short ways where they come in fired up,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: wanting to want to rock. And I've seen them where
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: they you know, We're made them weary and they steal.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: They've come in, but they're kind of weary about you know,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: where's this buck added at the buck that's already with me?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: You know that kind of deal. I've seen them goes
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: the other way, you know, you know with it. So
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I'll use the short ways. You know, if I in
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: a situation where the buck's going away and I'm not
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: gonna get a shot, you know, and and I'll hit
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: them with that, and you know, sometimes it will turn around,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: and you know sometimes it won't. But the but this
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: time here with my colleing saple is, I'll do that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: that that grunt and rub techniques I've told you about earlier.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I'll do the some agitated grunts and I will do
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: a snort ways, you know, depending on you know, the situation.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: And if it's in a situation like I thought about earlier,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: you know where a young bucks around, do a young
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: buck ten and grunt and then do a dog blow,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like she's being a rasp bomb, you know,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I'll do that sometimes. It just depends on what you know,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: what the situation is. But those are kind of calls
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I'll use on that now. Later on when I'm starting
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: to see that, you know, going to the actual breeding
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: transition of the rut, and I'm starting to see bucks chasing,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: you know, mature bucks, not the basket wraps with up
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: with mature bucks actually you know, you know on doze
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and you know they're they're they're if you see breeding
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: activity or then you know walking mind on pushing the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: dough or and actually breeding a dough, and I'll switch
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it up and that time I'll do more of the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: uh astrastoe bleeds and stuff like that, and uh the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: tend on the situation till on the bucks doll ratio
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: in that area, I may even um, you know, during
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: a long period, I may do a dominant buck tending
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: grunt you know, louder grown you know them than tending
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the dough, pushing the dough and and and do the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: astrastoe bleeds and maybe it mix up a little rattling
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: and fighting what they have because you know, bucks are
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: still territorial whatnot and if they I mean how many
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: times I've I've watched it on that door channel and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I've seen it in first and I know you have
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: to where you've got a buck chasing the dough and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: he's grunting, he's chasing and whatnot, and he's a pretty
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: good looking buck. And another bucks that with the near
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: shop heard that and here he comes in, you know,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: and sometimes he'll doing up with that buck and chaser,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: and sometimes those two bucks will fight each other. And
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: that's a common scenario that happens. So you might do
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: a tendon grunt and you know, into an astro stop
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: bleeding into a agitated gun. That too some potting, you know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: because that that's a snare that could happen. You know,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: bucks come in there there was a buck chasing a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: though he was on or and a more dombined buck
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: come in and you know, confront of them and they
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: broke it into the thought. So you can you know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: you can mix it up. Now, what about rattling, because
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: that's another one of those calling tactics, And I like
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of your calling ideas revolver
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: on trying to make a realistic scenario, you know, with
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: the rubbie, the tree and everything. When you're rattling, do
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: you do the same kind of thing? I know some
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: guys that will put rattley antlers on a rope and
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: banging around down on the ground so that rustles and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the leaves or shake a tree or do you do
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, I'll tell you what they do,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and I'll probably some people listen. It's probably laugh at
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: me for doing it. And I'm sure some of cameraman
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: folks humors when I've done it until actually a buck
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: comes in after I do it. And it's all about realism.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same time of turkey calling everything else.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to sound real. I mean, just
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: got sound like a real scenario. And sometimes like when
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I'm doing it, you know, going back to the tender
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: grunt and and you know, an astrastow bleat if I'm
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, uh, and I'm not seeing a
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: whole lot and loker or not and a lot going on.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And sometimes especially if I'm going off the ground, and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you could do it the tree stand tube, but just
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit more risky trying to get back
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: up in the tree if I'm in a blind and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: in an area where I think that they're that you're
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: a pretty good distance from me, where I've got time
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: to get back in the trail too, is uh, I've
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: got like one one of the drunk calls I use.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: It's got the it's kind of a dampture on where
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you can you can adjust the vocalizations. You can go
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: from like I said, a young buck to a dough
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: bleat astros dowbleat to a dominant buck runt. And it's
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: kind of tube. You can do a snort waves on it.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: You can do all that. So what the snails I'll
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: do is I'll I'll actually, especially when it's dry, I'll
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: get out and I'll just do a tend to go up,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: this light tend and grunt and nasally go up, and
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I'm moving with it. And I'll move and I'll be
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: breaking sticks. I'm trying to make some noise. I'm I'm
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: going through the waves just like you would. You would
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: you know, you would hear if it was actually going on,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: and do an astros do bleed and they do it.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: And and if they're sitting there at therenthing air shot,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: they can hear that that calls moving. The bucks can
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: get call shot I just like turkeys or anything else can.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: But when they're hearing a lot of times may have
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: been called to. The calling is coming from the same
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: exact spot. And just like a Turkey. If you make
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a call, they've ten pointed almost. It's eerie how how
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: they can pimple exactly where you where you called from.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: The bucks are the same way. I mean, they can
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: pimpoint exactly what that call is coming from. And if
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: it's moving and stuff and they're hearing, you know, leaves
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: ruffle and sticks break, and you're trotting, you know, like
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: a deer. That that sounds. That sounds realistic. And a
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: lot of times I've done that and then get back
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: in you know, get back in my blunt or or
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm not but I'm just sitting on
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the ground and got a makeshift blind, you know, lat
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: up around me or come out in a tree and
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: you do that. And it's crazy how how fact of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: that can be. I mean, it really can work. And
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I remember the first time I did it with my
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: my son. He was feeling me and he said, the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: head he said, you know what, he said, it's crazy,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: he said, But if if you know, if I closed
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: my eyes that stuff was going on, he said, I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: would have been sure that that was actually a buck
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: chasing the dough. He s because it sounded, you know,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: so real, you know, with the lead and all that
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: stuff moving and the same thing with that, that grunt
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: and rub tactic I'm telling you about. I mean, you
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: get real antler going up against a sapling tree and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: you're scraping it and the and if it's got leaves
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: on it and and it's shaking and going on, and you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: stop a little bit and drun a little bit and
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: put some time between the do it again. That sounds realistic.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I mean that's something that they don't hear every day
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: unless it's the real thing. So I think that, you know,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: the more you can add realism to your you know,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: to your set up, the better, the better off the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: odds or be that you you know, you get a shot. Yeah,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I really I really like that. That's that's something not
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of people take to that level, but it
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: sure makes a lot of sense. Um, I'm gonna amit.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: You feel kind of goofy there, you know, trotting for
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: relk and you're trying to sound like a deer. You know,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: you're trotting around and and and and stuff and and
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: and you're thinking out I must look pretty you know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: pretty silly right now. But it I mean it sounds real.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can you know, I've got it on
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: video of us doing it. And and if you if
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: you not looking at me, and you know, turn your
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: head and you can you know here, you would think
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: that that's actually what's going on. I mean that there's
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: a buck chasing chasing. That was the same thing with
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: the rattling. I mean a lot of people just break
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: out bamplers or break out the rattle bag whatever they
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: got and just start, you know, going crazy. And sometimes
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: that works. But what I do with when when I
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: write or you know, he's asking about the rattling and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I got off on another. But what do you do
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: on the when I rattled? Well, I'll start it out,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: you know, like a real scenario. I'll do an agitated
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: just a deep buck grunt, grel real, you know, real
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: real deep with some base to it. And then I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: may and I'll turn my head work because it's come
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: from a nether direction. Just the vocalization on the grunt
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: they've been doing, you know, another buck grunt, and the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: sounds a little bit different. There's two bucks coming there
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and they've seen each other and they know grunt that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: each other like hey, you better, I'm here, you better
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: get out of here and the other one's doing the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: same thing, and then I'll hit a snort wee's you know,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: do that with them and if they and well that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: that bucks respond to another but coming up and then
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I might do that as state relics coming
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: towards them and they start with the you know, with
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the with the rattling you know, make makes noise and
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: stuff tend to lead it up to that, and I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: just start out, you know, rattling. And I'm not saying
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: just turn arounto doesn't work because it will depend on
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: the scenario. But I always try to create as a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: realistic calling scenarios I can that you know, it sounds
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: like the sounds like the real thing. That seems like,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I have better results when when I when
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I do that, and it's not I mean, it's not
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: like on TV. You know people say it don't TV,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: especially now Texas, you know, because the deer you know,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I've seen people just it just blows my mind. I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: remember the kid and the Outdoor cham Force came out
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: watching some of these shows in Texas, you know, and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: being from Kentucky, I never have been the Texas or
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: anything like that, and that those guys walk out there,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: and the s Darrow's and they crash thees big antwers
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: together and just bucks are just coming running in from
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: everywood direction like he's ringing a dinner bell or something.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, my gosh, I gotta get a set
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: of you know, of a rattling I gotta get out
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: there and do that. And then you go out there
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: and do it, and you do it the wrong time
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: of year, you don't do it right, or you do
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: it too much, and and you don't have the wind right,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: you don't, you know, you don't, your setups not right
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and it doesn't work. Then you get you
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: start losing confidence that well maybe the dear, myer, they
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: just aren't you know, they just don't respond to the columns.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I hear that a lot of round here in these mountains,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: because I say, you know, this ain't this ain't kids,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: this ain't Illinois. You these deers don't, dear, don't respond.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: And you know what I'm sure of thinking, well, you
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: you just not done it right, I mean, and it's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: not gonna work every time, you know, I mean, it's
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: like anything else. I mean, every time you hit a deer,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: call you know, Doon and Crocus, I gonn run up
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: there and jump in your lay up. It just you know,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't work that way. I don't care if
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: you're hunting Illinois or Texas or wherever. It just doesn't
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: work that way. But if you if you can match
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: their vocalizations with the current transition and add realism to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: your call, and Colum can work. I don't care what
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: states are, you don't care where your hunting. Okay, how
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: much hunt pressure as there is, you know it'll it'll work.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: And I know that from fact, and and I've got
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: the video to prove it. And you know I've got
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: hunt after hunt after hunt. You know, when I'm public
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: laying areas and and private only, it doesn't know that
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: man ors. I mean, if you if you've done it
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: right in a situation's right. You know, they definitely probably
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: dearer vocal, no matter what states they're living in and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: how much pressure it is. Dear or vocal. I mean,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: that's just how it is. Yeah, it's interesting. It's one
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: of those things that, like you said, a lot of
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: people probably give up after trying a handful of times
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: and not getting the response. But I feel like a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: good response rate to calls, I mean one out every
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: every ten times maybe is what's honestly gonna happen. But
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: usually that when you get that one positive response, it's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: it's so worth the ten other times trying or the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: night other times. Right, so it's it's worth the right thing,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: you know, the young man, do you know when you're
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: you're staying on your out and girl, if you just
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, put the first pretty girl and hit on
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit and she blew you off and and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: rejected you, you know, what do you do? You just
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: go home and quit. Forevery never hit on another girl.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not how it works. I mean, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: don't you know what everybody's ratio the grants, racial is
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: different on that. But I mean, you know, you've just
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: got to keep doing it till till it works. Unfore
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: you got to do sometimes I'm not setting saying, you know,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: climb up in your stand or climate your w to
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: just sit there on a call the entire time you're
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: out there, you're probably not going great results. But I
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: mean colin can be a super effective way to generate shot.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Like you said, the you know, one out of ten
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: times if it worked at one at ten times it
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: was well worth, but I thought that it didn't absolutely.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, so let's let's rewind the tape a little bit. Um.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: So we've talked about how to call to deer, you know,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: when you're at the right time of year, in the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: right places. But let's rewind back to getting in the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: right places again. We we we talked a little bit about,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: you know, especially in this kind of seeking or scouting
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: and roaming phase first part of November, first couple of weeks,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: maybe these deer are going from dough hot spot to
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: do hot spout check in to see if they're ready
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: to breed. Um. You hear about this a lot. I mean,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: if anyone's read or listen to any talk about the rut.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: You hear about dough betting areas, you hear about funnels, um,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: and then you hear about one other thing, which is
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: dear crazy during the right you can't pattern them. But
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: what I hear you say, well, they're going back to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: hot spot to hot spot to hot spot. That makes
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: me think maybe you can pattern um a little. So.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm curious about your thoughts on that because
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I've I definitely have some thoughts with chatted with a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: few folks that have pointed to some recent studies that
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: show there's a little bit of pattern rble behavior. But
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: what have you seen. What do you think about patterning
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: deer during the run? Yeah, you you definitely can patternger
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: during the run. I mean, and there is truth that there.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: It is chaotic. I mean, the truth of the matter
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: is I'll use this example before, is that if a
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: dough it's an eat, and she's got a mature buck
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: on her and she decided to walk across a crowded
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Walmart park a lot on Saturday morning. If she goes
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: across that park a lot, he's gonna go with her.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: That's what gets them killed this time of year, knowing
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: by others, what gets them killed on the road and
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: everything else. Wherever that dough goes, he's gonna go. That's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, that's how it works. And you said, well,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: how do you know how can you pattern that? Well,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: you pattern what we just talked about. You need to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: go to those spots, you need to run trail cameras
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: and more of those. It's I guess it's kind of
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: it's great, but it's kind of accursed because like right now,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. My phone's vibrated. My cell phone
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: has about I'm on the land line and my cell
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: phone vibrate about six times. Let me know what. I've
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: got pictures right now. They're there in front of one
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: of my my trail cameras. And and that's keeping me
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: up late at night because I hear my phone vibrated
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: three in the morning, I'll jump up. It's like a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: kid at Christmas or see what you know in front
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: of the camera. Sometimes it's coons, sometimes it's you know there,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes something else. But going back to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: what I was saying, you use those wireless cameras and stuff,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and in real time you can know what's going on,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: you know, in real time, like if you get, uh,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Buck's going to a certain area one of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: those no hot spots and you know mid morning or whatnot,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: and you need to you need to try to hunt
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: mid morning at that place. That's when he when he's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: going through there. Now, what won't be paid was that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: if he could when he goes to those spots like he,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: like David Hell used to say, you know, like God
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: was making the milk run and Bucks making the milk run.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Along with me by that they're they're going to those
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: spots this spot and if they don't don't get there,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: they're going to the next spot then because they're going
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: to the next spot. And the pot is that you
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: can't pattern is if they go to one of those
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: spots and they get all of though, you know, that's
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: actually ready to breed. And he, you know, he's gonna
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: go with her, and and a lot of times he'll
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: try to get her. He'll try to you know, corral
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: and push her away from high traffic areas so he
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: won't be interrupted by I know, the buck. We have
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: any competition, he'll try to get he'll try to push
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: her a little bit, but I mean, you know, that's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: gonna mind her own. And she decides to go left,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: and he's wanted to go right. He can't persuade her
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and kind of push her to go right, and she
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: ends up gonna left. He's gonna go with her, and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and and some dose they'll they'll make the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: buck work for it. They'll make them, you know, from
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: a piece and and and and you know, and get
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: them rended up and then you know, then they'll breed
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: with them. So you know, the mind of the dough.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: You don't know which way she's gonna go, you know
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. But what you depart that you can
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: pattern is the areas that he's gonna be looking forward
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: those and after he after he gets with the dough
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: and he's pushed her off and he's bred or you know,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: several times when he gets done, he's gonna go and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: look for another dough So he's gonna go those same
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: spots again. And it's all that time. And so if
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: you can be in those areas, and trail camps can't
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: help you on that, especially the wireless ones. You know,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: if you if you've got a prop to get some
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: moss cameras and and you've got them in those spots
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: and you're you're seeing a lot of mid morning activity
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: or midday activity, or you know it could be right
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: at day on or whatnot. That's the times you need
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: to hunt because even if he's already got to go
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: out of there, I mean how many I mean, name
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: me a place where you you know there's only one dough.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: I mean most time of those those are a real family.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: When it will be you know, groups of dose and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: when he's he's already got one out of there, and
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: when he gets done with her, he'll be back through,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: you know, try to get another one. And and you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: just gotta be there. And so there is some patterns
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  Speaker 1: to it. I mean, you can't just go out and
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: and flop down and just hope, you know, hope for
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: the best west of the rut. You know, where's it
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the boon and crocodad. It should be here any time.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. I mean, you can't pattern.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: But they're at the same time, there's lots there is.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: There is some chaos in it. And the chaos or
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: the factors you can't control. You and I can't control.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: We're an instrus that's gonna go after a boat gets
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: on her. We can We don't know what she's gonna do.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: A lot of times, I don't think she knows what
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: she's gonna do. You know, she's being pushed by him,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and she's you know, it's a breeding thing.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: She she may go with, she may go right, she
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: may go back the way she came, but that Bok's
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: gonna go with her, you know. So we can't we
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: can't control that. We can't control hunting pressure. You know. Uh,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: that's another part of the chaos. There's people that don't
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: hunt all year, they don't hunt any time, but they'll
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: hunt during the rut. And and and one of the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: reasons why they've heard all the stories, you know, like
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: we said that so on and so didn't even even
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: need scared. He just they just put him somewhere. He killed,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: he killed, you know, the big buck in his sculling.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Hear about that stuff all the time. So a lot
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: of people, you know, it's like when the parrot ball
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: gets up there to the multi millions. You know, people
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: both ever played the lottery're gonna play the lottery. And
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: the same thing going on with with with with the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: rutting deer says people are don't harley bow hunt or
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: don't do anything that they get a little bit excited
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: during the rut and they're just hoping for the best.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: And when you get those people out, a lot of
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: them don't have confidence in the places that they're sitting
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: at because they know deep then they've not scouted or
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: they've not been running cameras, they've not put in the work,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: and they'll sit there and they'll get cold. Get here
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: with that the grass is greener mentality where maybe I
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: should go over here and look, maybe I should go
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: over there, and they get out, they roam around, and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: then they inintentionally you know, jump Bucks and those you know,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: and they push them you know, wherever, so that you
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: can't control that part of it. But the part you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: can't control is putting yourself in a situation where you've
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: got a really good chance of of of of same
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: one that's out looking for those So those hot spots
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: are the key places. And I'm a firm believer if
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: you can put Wiars cameras out and if you don't
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: have Wiars camps, but the other can you know, the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: regular standard cameras out and and just kind of march
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: what's going on. And it's trying to put yourself in
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the best position that you can. So let's dive in
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: deeper into what those right spots are. We we've mentioned
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: dough hot spots a couple of times, but let's talk
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit more about specifically what kind of places
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: you find to be those dough hot spots there in
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the right And then secondly, so part part one is
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: where specifically or what specifically do these doe hot spots
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: look like. And then number two is how he is
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: set up on them, because lots of times we'll hear, oh, well,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: you know hunt down wind of the dough betting area,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: and that sounds great in theory, but how do you
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: find the absolute right spot within the spot like that
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: the killing spot down are? Can you answer me those
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: two things? But that all goes to your scaling. I mean,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: that goes into your personal experience and you're scouting, you know,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: watching if you've got one of my favorite places obviously
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: is is you know a preferred dough betting area, you know,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: and and you know where those are bed and that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: because that's where they're going to be at the majority
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: part of the day. You know, there are in that
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: lime and actually nocturnal even a lot of activity goes
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: on and stuff at night and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: And but during the bedding area, and that's a usually
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: a daytime place. Now they do feed during the day.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Stuff goes on during to day. They may get off
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: the bed and you know, go go feed and come back,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: but that bed and there is where they spend the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: bulk of their time. So that's where I want to be.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I want to spend the book of my time in
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: a doe betting area. And that's not the only place
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I one, but that's one. If I can find a
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: spot like that, and I rank cameras, and I see
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the way that does you know how they go into
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: you know, how they're entering it, how there, And that's
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: why I'm a firm believer using multiple cameras. I mean,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, one camera tells you a little bit. Five
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: cameras will tell you a whole lot more. And if
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I've got a dough bean an area, I make the
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: truth three cameras on that bed area, so I can
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: determine how the majority of the those and and deer
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: don't follow a script. I mean you know, well, either
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: you've been a situation we think this set up. I've
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: got this tree stand here, the deer is coming from
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: the west this you know the buck is That's how
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: it comes in. And then you get up there and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: get set up, and the deer comes in from the least.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know they don't follow a script. But
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: the more you know, the better off you are on
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: how to set up on it. So if I know
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: that those primarily the majority of them are coming in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: a certain way to the band area, they're exiting a
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: certain way, and that tells me how, you know, I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: need to set up. And also if those cameras are
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: gonna tell me is is are you know all the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: bucks coming through there? You know what time is a
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: really coming through there? And when they come through there,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: how are they going in? Do they just go by
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: and sent check the thicket from a distance, you know,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: get the win in their favorite scent check it, or
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: they actually going into the thicket if they do go in,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: how they go in, if they get on the dough,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: how they're going out. All that stuff will tell you, you
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, if there's I can't you know nobody's here
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: and say, well you find out the bed in the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: area you get down when you set up, Well, you
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: know that may work and may not work. You you've
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: got to do the You gotta do the homework on it.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: You gotta know how they're, how they're entering, how they're
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: leaving the you know the prime times that they're that
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: they get off the bed. Dear, don't a lot of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: people think that, Dear, just come in Buck's and those
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: they come in they feed at night, they come in.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're lucky, you get them a little
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: bit after daylight and they go in, they lock in
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: on the bed and then that's it. You know, they
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: don't move to the right at you right before dark
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: or after dark and there they do that a lot.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: But dear, I've I've hunted dead in the areas my
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: whole life, and I can tell you that I've never
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: in my life seen dear that go in before daylight,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: lay down in the bed and they lay there till
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: dark and don't move throughout the day. You, I mean,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: just put yourself in that situation, do you? And I've
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: hunted all day it's hard. It's one they said, y'all
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: hunt all day during the rut. But when you get
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: in there two hours before daylight and sit down and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: and it's cold and whatnot, and you're sitting there and
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: you sit there throughout the entire day, and if it's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: one of those days you're not seeing a lot of activity.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: It is hard to sit there like that all day long,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: all day till after dark. And I can tell you
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: one thing. When you do do that, a couple of
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: days of that, these guys that say, oh, I have
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: trouble to sleep, and go hunt the rut, Go hunt
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: the rut before day lute the dark. I guarantee you
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: at sixty so it starts getting dark at five and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: six o'clock. And even I guarantee you when you get home,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: you don't want to eat or do anything, you just
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: want to go to bed. Completely wears you out. And
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: it's hard for the deer too. I mean, think about it,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: they're just sitting there all day. Well a lot of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: more what they'll do is they'll get up and no
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: brows around. You know, you know, everybody wants to hunt
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: food plots and uh, you know, when the acrons are
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: dropping a lot of stuff is great. But the deer,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of their has been studies showing a lot
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: of brows makes up a lot of big portion of
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: their diet. And the brows on sapling twigs and honeysuckle
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: and and you know at the akrons and stuff like that.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: They'll move around little bit. So a lot of times
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: there will go down that have been pressure. We'll go
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: down in bed before before it gets daylight. But a
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, after that morning they'll get
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: up and stretch. They'll get up and stretch. Um bucks
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: are no tourists with getting up and and and going
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom, you know, getting them going to bathroom,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: stretching legs, brad as a little bit. They may they
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: may work as gray or do something. They go back
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: and bed down four ft from where they were originally. Bad,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: but they will get up and move a little bit.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: But no one like I'm going back, got a little
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: off track there, but going you know, no one where
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: those those are bad bad, no one how they typically
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: go in, how they typically you know, exit um is
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: our mid morning. You know Brow's activities are getting up
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: off the bed and moving around a little bit, and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: how they do and the more you can know about
• 1:33:35
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• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of times there throughout about a lot using
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: that intel to to really get that detailed information and
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: getting the right setup or know the right time to
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: hunt it. And you mentioned how you're using wireless cameras
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: and all that. Can you elaborate a little bit on
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: where I guess more detail on how you're setting up
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: these cameras for the rut sounds like put them around
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: dough betting area sometimes. But are you placing them on scrapes?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Are you're placing them on trails? Are you putting them
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: in feeding ears and bedding ears and falls or or
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: what like? Where are your cameras right now across your
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: properties for the next two weeks? Well, for the next
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: two weeks, my cameras are going to be on the
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: mock scrapes. I may all established scripes on travel corridors
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: that connect cart feeding areas and beating area is and
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: and uh and if I'm finding the dough bending areas
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I'm putting them there because like I said, they're not
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: they're not actually the bucks right now, the mature bucks,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: when I say they're Roman and scouting that they're not.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: They're not going to these though hotspot areas you know
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: at that point to try to get an insterrastow because
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: they know, I mean, the young bucks don't know. That's
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: the ones that think, hey, I'm I'm gonna get to breathe,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: I want to breath. They're they're chasing everything now. They're
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: chasing any though that will that they see the run,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: the run them down. They'll try they run them out
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: of the coutry. That's why you start to see a
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: lot of deer on the air state get killed and stuff,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: because well, let us be the root. Now you've got
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: these young bucks harassing them. That's what's going on. The
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: old bucks know that that's not that's not what's going
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: on now. But what they are doing. They are going
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: to those areas and they are scraped and they're leaving
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: their scent. They let them know I'm here. They wanted
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: those come in and leave their cent and let them
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: know that they're there, and they want to want other
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: bucks are in the area. So they're making those milk runs,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: going those places and they're monitoring those dolls or where
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: they're at, where they're gonna be. And then when it
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: gets a little bit closer, they're going those areas and
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: sent check them and look for atually astro stowes and
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: they get on one, they'll take her away, bread her,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: then they'll go get to the nurse spot, got to
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: another spot. I just keep on like a circle, just
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: keep going through those places and looking for the for
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: those are right now. My cameras are on the traveel
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: corridors that are connecting uh feeding areas to known dough
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: betting areas. I've got them over mock scrapes and I've
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: made I've got them over existing scrapes, and I'm running
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: multiple cameras and I'm trying to figure out as much
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: as i can about about each buck. Like the buck
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I sent you about the other day that came in
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: and worked one of our mock scrapes. He was doing
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: at mid morning on one heat hit one spot. Mid morning,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: he came off his bed area and he did about
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: mid morns, like ten o'clock in the morning. We've got
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: a great video of him working the scrape. About two
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: hours later we got a mile and a half away
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: at a different spot working another scrape. So they was
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: making that run. And then about three and a half
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: hours later we got him on another camera that closer
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: to where he was bedding, and he had made a circle.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Er that's what he what he'd done. I'm not saying that,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to run, I was gonna be
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: in a circle, But I'm just saying aptitude, good scenario.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's like a circle. That's where he's going.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: And at those cameras that well, you know, tell me
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: where you know, if I was gonna hut today, where
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I would probably need to right need to set up
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: at How much detail do you pay attention to with
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: those pictures? Are you looking at just direction of travel
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and time of day? Do you look at the conditions
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: and try to correlate his behavior based off of something
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: like wind direction or cold friends or bare mutch of
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: pressure that did do you look at any of that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: thing you just said, every bit of that every it's like, um,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: it's like putting together a puzzle, and every every piece
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: of information is an important pace. You gotta able to
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: put it all, you know, put it all together, and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I'll give an example that you know, my son killed
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: one of the first big bucks. He killed U This
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: is a true story. We got all of it was
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: during the Kentucky uth season, and we've got all at
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: one fifty eight point. It was a giant deer. I mean,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: it was hard for me not to go both one
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: and I because it was a big deer. And the pattern,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: the pattern that we got on, you know, with it
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: was and this is it might sound crazy, but you
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: can you can ask him it that that particular buck
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: was feeding on aprons. And once I got on him,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: I went to put a bunch of cameras out, so
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: I knew kind of where he was staging, and I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: knew where he was betting at. I knew obviously where
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: he was feeding at and whatnot. And I had a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: pretty good pattern. But the problem was he was pretty
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: much you know, like most big bucks are, especially you
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: know prior to the rut, he was he was nocturnal.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we were running a highly pressured area.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of toaching that goes on
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: around there. I mean, the the deer there, like the
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: big deer like ghosts. I mean just you know, sad fact,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: but that particular deer and that early extuct youth season
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: he was going. Um he would go bed before daylight
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: and on rainy days this is this is I put
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: this together. On rainy days he would get off the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: bed about mid morning and would sneak into that acron
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: flat and neath those aprons. I mean, like clockwork. I mean,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: over about three week period, I noticed that the sometimes
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: the only daytime activity was on rainy day days. Mid
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: morning he would he was sneaking or eat acorns for
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: about you know, thirty or forty mints and he got
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: back in bed and um, as luck would have it,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: on the open day of Kentucky you season, Uh, they
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: would calling for rain and I came here, my wife
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: telling me, you make sure make sure he doesn't get
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: you know, he was probably at the time I thought
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: he was, I want to say, eleven years old to
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: my random there, you know, and Mommy was being protected her.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, you're gonna get him wet. You know.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: He makes you make sure you are you on a blind.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I know we don't. We don't have a blind. I said,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: if you've got gortex, rain outfit. I said, it's not
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be too cold. I said, we have to hunt
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: during this rain. That's when that deer is moving. You know. She's, well,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I know you do that because he just a little kid.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: And and uh she she said, you'll get him where
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: he will he won't even want to go. That's definitely
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: not what's happened now, you know, I'm trying to keep
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: him out of the woods. Is a hard thing now,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you know, after after do it all that. But anyway,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: so we got set up. It was gonna rain, and
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I told him I should just be patient, and but
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: we got in our way before daylight, just to make
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: sure we didn't bump anything and thing like that. And
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: I told him us now that if if what I'm
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: thinking is right, I said, this deer will show up,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: you know, about mid morning. I said, we met. I
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: see a lot of activity you know from you know,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: at daylight on, but at mid morning he subjects to
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: show up. So we sat there. We were sitting on
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: the ground, had a little makeshift bline, were sitting in
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: a high pressure area. I didn't want to put up
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: a blind for people other people see her hunt because
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people down here, and no tourist
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: whom they see a blind or see a stand or
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: trying to hunt us close to as they can. They
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: figure that guys put a stand or blind there for
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: a reason. So I'm won't try to hunt cross. I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: try to avoid that. In those highly pressures that we
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: had a little makeshift blind natural stuff I've cut and
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: you know, blended us in good. We could move. We
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: were sitting, they were sitting there. He was almost in
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: my lap. I'm he sitting run aside me. We sat
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: there and it rained and rained and rain, and we
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: were getting wet, and we weren't seeing a whole lot.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: And I think at nine thirty in the morning, which
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: is between nine and ten, we were getting most of
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: the pictures on those rainy days. And he came just
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: like hawkwork and he kills and I, you know, I've
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: got all those cameras runna be different. I just had
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: one camera out and you know, it was tending what
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: I was saying. But we had, you know, probably ten
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: cameras outlet on that deer, you know, and I knew
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: exactly what it what it was doing. And at that
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: point that went opportune. We had is when it was
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: it would come out when it was raining. And there's
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: little stuff like that no matter what time of the season.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: It isn't what time of the year and what phase
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: of the ruts you could put. Um that they've got habits,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, they've got they've got habits and stuff that
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: they do. There's tendency that they follow. I mean. And
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: the more cameras you get out and the more stuff
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: you piece together. And the good news is is the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: cameras that are out today are unbelievable. I mean, the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: one I just what I'm telling you about this, one
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: of the ones I've just now checked. It's got the
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: baramedic pressure, the wind. It will tell you the wind direction,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: the phase of the moon. Um, all that stuff on
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: there and not not just the time and date and
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: all that and and and send it to your phone
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: where it's in real time. And and that saves me.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: I'm to go, you know, contaminated areas a lot of
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: you know, scent noise and stuff, trying to go and
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: check cameras and stuff because I can check it right
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: there on my phone. And if I've got to work Monday,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday and during that time, you know, during
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: that three day period, and I think about maybe calling
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: in sick on Thursday, and in the three days prior
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: to that, you know that the buck has done you know, X,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Y and Z, and I know what he's doing probably
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: on that Thursday, and when I take a sick day,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I've got a good chance of chance of killing, you know,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: because I know what I'm doing in real time. I'm
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: not having to take a day and go in the
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: field and check a camera. I'm you know, right at home.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: I'm knowing what you know, no one what's going on.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is, if I could afford
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: them every trial camera I have, the the wireless scam. Yeah,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: they're very handy tool. Yeah, but the bad thing is
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: where I'm at in the mountains, there's we've got a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: lot of areas that you just don't have sales service from,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: no matter if it's Surprise or a T and T
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: or whatever. You just don't know. There's just dead zones
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: where you you know, there's not any towers and bad
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: thing that user were you know, those are remote areas
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: that used were a lot of the big deal. Yeah,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: so you don't you don't have to sell off claim.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: But even with not that you know, I've I've probably
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: got everybody knows that if they don't want to get
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: me for Christmas, for my birthday or something like that,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: they buy me a trio came I mean, and I'll
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: take I don't care what kind they are, there, the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: cheap forty dollar kind. I'll take every one I can
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: get because they're a vital pool. And I'm not saying, Um,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: there is a mistake that people make, you know, by
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: thinking I'm not hunting because I don't have you know
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: that you know that the choke cameras don't get everything.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care what model they are, how expensive they are,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: what their trigger speed is, how sense than they are. Um,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I'll chock and you just because you put a choke
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: camera up doesn't mean that you've got all that too.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Just taken place where you've got that choe camera up.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been a situation, has been in the
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: stand and I've seen shooter bucks that we're all around
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: the camera but never got in front of it, you know,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: not intentionally. It wasn't like they knew that the camera
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: was there anything like that. It's just the way they
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: were feeding, the way they were moving and they those
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: got in front of them and everything else, and and
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: the bucks didn't get in front. So you can't go
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: solely on that by no means. But the more cameras
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: you have out, the more clues you can gather, the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: more pieces of the policy put together, you can you know,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: eventually solve it and you can get a shot. And
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: so I try to I look at all that, I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: look at that. You know, what was the Bearmick pressure,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: when the you know, when I was getting a daytime
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: activity on three of my cameras, what was the Bearmick pressure,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: What was the wind direction that day? Why was that
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: boat traveling that way? What what direction did he come
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: in from? How long did he stay? Um um? The
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: truck camera scrap and a lot of people they just
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: don't they don't take advantage the full advantage of what
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: all truick cameras can do for him. A lot of
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: people will go out and they'll put up, you know,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: a trail camera, and they'll get a shooter buck at
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, and they get them through
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: three nights and it's twelve one, two, three o'clock in
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: the morning, they go put a stand up right there
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, unless you're gonna spotlight that there, that
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: that's really not doing you a whole lot of good.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: You know, that just showed you where that buck is at.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: So when I get a three o'clock in the morning
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: pitch or what I'm trying to do, I'm say, Okay,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: he's here at three o'clock in the morning. You know,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: I'll get out Google Maps and look at it. He
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: come in from, you know, from the north. Where was
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: he coming from? Why did it take him to three
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to get there? You know, was
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: you know, where is he possibly batting it? Where is
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: he possibly where is he going to? What is he easy?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Going there? To feed? You need to put all that
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: stuff together and that way, that way you know more
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: of what to do, how to sit up? Yeah, now
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: what about looking at pictures? In past years, we we
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: talked to a lot of folks that are getting more
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: and more into observing annual trends or annual patterns and
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: some kind Is that something you key in on it all? Yep,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: there's places. I've got places here in my home state,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: and that the truth of the matter is, if I
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: got laid up and put in the hospital or something,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: you know, weeks before or a month before you know,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: the road or gun season or whatever. That if I
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: got able to go, even with that scout or even
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: checking the camera, there's places I know that with confidence
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: i'd go and have a good chance of killing the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: book because some of the some of the patterns just
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: don't you know, they don't change there in these certain
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: areas during the run. There always will be you know,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: and they're just big. There's the areas you can kill
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: big books. I mean I've got places I've killed multiple
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: big bucks out of, and yeah I rank cameras and
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: stuff on the same. But the truth matter is that
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: I could have you know, I'd have complete full confidence
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: going and sitting in on even if I had never
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: ran a camera and didn't know anything that was going on.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: They're just you know there there their rut hotspots, the
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: places that you know the bucks were going on. We're
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be and especially through here in these mountains um
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: the way because they you know, our I suldn't even
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: say that because of the flat land, low and terrain.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I mean, there's the particular to train
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: your hunting. There's gonna be features that terrain that will
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: dictate how the deer travel from point A to point by.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Food sources will change, hunting pressure will change. That stuff
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: will change. But there's certain things that are gonna be
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty much the same list or just some major, major,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: you know things that happened like this when comes into
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: logs or you know, or or uh, food sources just
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: completely changed or something like that. All that stuff can
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: can change somewhat. But there's a lot of stuff that
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: will be. You know, you hear about guys that kill
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: big Bucks out of the same stand every year, and
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: and they and a little brag about it. Yeah, I
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: didn't scale, I didn't run a camera, didn't do anything,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: didn't put out. I just go up there. And I
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: sitting at stand on Open the Morning and Gun season
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the last four season to kill the book. And and
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: they've just got they've got a really good spot. I mean,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: they've got a spot that Big Bucks travel through and
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: and you know that they can you can pull it
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: off like that sometimes. But I like knowing the other way.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: I like no one what's in there, and I'll take
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: luck and I'll take a surprise. I like I like
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: having a buck that shows up that you know, be
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: running cameras for three months and this buck was not
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: on any of us, and he showed up during the run.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: I'll take that. I like that too. But at the
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: same time, there's also as far as confidence goes, it's
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: a whole lot easier to sit in the place from
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: before daylight till dark. After you've worked hard all week,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: you're dead tired. Everybody knows how it is. I mean,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: you know, when you hunt, you know, like we do.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: You go when you're tired, you go when you're not
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: feeling good. If you have a day off, you better go.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: You can't kill one off the couch you get. You've
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: got to get out there. But one thing that will
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: help you stay longer in that stand is those cameras.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Knowing that there's a you know, a one fifty or
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: one six or one for word is you're wanting to shoot.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: If you've got that buck on camera and you've got
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: a general I did what he's doing, and and there's
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: you know in your heart there's a good chance he's
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: gonna come through and give you a shot. It's a
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: lot easier to stay all day. That's the truth. Uh
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit ago about dough betting
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: years and doe hot spots, and then we're kind of
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: zeroing in on that with cameras and everything. But another
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: one of those big rut uh, I guess rut hot
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: spots that folks like talked about a lot our funnels
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and pinch points and things like that. And I'm wondering
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: with you hunting and kind of hilly terrain. Um, I
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: gotta believe that's something that you key in on as
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: far as the terrain features can you can you give
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: us the scoop on the types of terrain features that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: you kean on during the rud and like the specifics
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: of how to set up on that kind of thing, now,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: sure they What I try to do is during the rut,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: I'll try to find current feeding, you know, food sources,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: current feeding areas, and the end what I finally, you know,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: I'll put cameras on monitorate and you'll get especially if
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: it's the open um. We don't have a lot of
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: agriculture in the mount but we do have some fields
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: and I do put in food plots you know, in places,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: but it could be acrons, it could be whatever. Wherever
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I find the food source said, I'll monitory food, soorce
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: with cameras and see that those that are coming in,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: what times of day they are coming in and whatnot.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: And then I'll try to find out from the food
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: source where would they potentially be going, you know, the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: bed and you can you know, do some of that
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: lake working you do at home. You do want Google
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Maps look at it, say we know there's a here's
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: the feeding area, and over here is a clear cut.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: You know it's overgrown, it's thick, you know, it's within
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: you know, uh decent walk from there. It's away from
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: the food source. Most are like bend away from you,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: away from the food source if they can, and um,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: they trying to figure out, well, how are they going
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: to get from point A to point the water some
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: those places. Then you go in there and and burn
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: a little boot leather and walk around and find out
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: and look for silent, for the worn trails, look for
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: deer dropping, look for leaves, turn up with for tracks
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: how they traveling there. And then when you find a
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: primary travel route, if you use them, put some cameras
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: on it and see what activity is going through, what
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: times of data were going through, trying to connect it
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: to the bed and area and do the same thing
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: there and put some cameras and stuff on there. Um
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite places, uh, some of my favorite
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: spots to hunt, you know, on hilly mountless train. We've
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: got some steep mountains. I mean I live in the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: heart of that Placian Mounds. We've got some mountains that
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: go four or five benches up. I mean you're at
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: the bottom looking up and you're thinking, you know, there's
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: no way I'm gonna walk to that top, and then
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: like their Turkey season, little gobble four benches up. The
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: next thing you know, you're halfway up the mountain. You
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: know that the deer and you know you you're seeing
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: little pressure is coming from down here. Most people are lazy.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: You can't get a fuller up there. Most people are
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: gonna walk up there. And then the back of your
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: money of thinking that if I had a big duck,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: that's where I'd go. Then you go into those areas
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: you start find big rugs and that kind of stuff.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: But one of the some of the places I like
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: hunting um from right now all the way through Actually
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: the Breen trade phase of the rud is like UM
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: the natural travel corridors in these mountains like saddles, like
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: you have a saddle or or a gap, and um
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: um these deer on these mountain where these mountains working
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: around here. A lot of it's been over the years
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: of we've had some uh you know, coal mining was
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: big and they've they've stripped some of these which is
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: actually it's actually been a good thing for the deer
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: because you've got that transition in between hardwoods into open
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: coast trips and they reclaim and they put all the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: motive trees on them and those berries of deer eat them,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Turkeys eat them, and they had like bed and in them,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: and there's the clover and and and stuff like that.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: So you've got the transition between hardwoods into in the
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: coast trip and stuff like that. And um, you could
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: be on top of the mountain, there'll be a holler
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: down on the right side that's that's full of uh,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: you know, full of reclamation trees and there's clover fields
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that that they go down in. On
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: the other side of the mountain, there's a completely different
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: you know, places that bossol might be a coast trip
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: or might be a farm that's got farm land and
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: stuff on it whatnot. And then if you drove to
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: those places by the road, it might take you forty
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: five minutes. On top of the mountain, you could drop
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: down either one in five I mean that, and and
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: and deer and other. So these deer in the sounds,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: they can cover a lot of ground, a lot of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: different ground by by the mounts by traveling on top
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: of the mountains and then dropping off of me, you know.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: And and uh, we say hollers, I'm a hill building,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: but the correct association is hollow, so we call them hollars.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: That they can drop down in one hollar and go
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: down those doughs and come back through and go down
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: to another. And that goes back to that milk run
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: task I was talking about. They'll go to those places.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: And that's why you always hear about these people saying
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: brand cameras all year. You know, I've got a handful
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: of decent bugs. And then from you know, from last
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: week till now, there's there's been four new shooters show up,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: you know, and and all where they came from, well
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: they you know, they've come in from a different area
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: that they've had a different core living area. But they
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: know that there's dose in those areas and within reach,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna go in there and you know and
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: check for those dose. So that's what's going on. Saddles
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: and gaps are good, uh, ridges points and I'm handing
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: up in Illinois. You know, your your text book, your
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: your your bottlenecks and pinch points, all that stuff. All
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff is good. But there's bottlenecks and pinch
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: points stuff everywhere. The key is to find a bottle
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: on that some pinch points and the and the saddles
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: and the gas that stuff that connect you know, we
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: feeding area to the bedding area that the those are
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: traveling in because those areas that when things start cranking,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: the bucks are going to be in. You tho' looking
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: looking for those? Now, what about setting up on those
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: kinds of spots so you find the right You find
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: the right pinch point of some kind. Maybe it's a
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: maybe it's cover getting shrunk down to a narrow spot
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: between two fields, or maybe it's uh, maybe it's a
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: saddle in the mountains, you find that pinch, how do
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: you go about picking the spot to hunt on that feature?
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: What's going through your mind? That tree? What's on my mind.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: The first thing in my mind is a or deer
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: using it? You know all that you're using it? When
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: are that? You know? When are they using it? How
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: are they using how they how are they going from?
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Are they going from east to west, north to south?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Which direction? And stuff? What I traveling in? And one
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: of the most important things that told my mind at
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: that time is once I figure that part out, is
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: how am I going to access that area? How am
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: I gonna hunt? And how am I going to exit
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: that area with that buffet deer In the process, I said,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: it's one of big you know, dear big deer aren't
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: aren't stupid? I mean they didn't get big by being stupid.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: You know, they're smart. Big bucks are smart, and they
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: can pattern you either and you can pattern them. So
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: if you're not taking any any steps to trying to
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: figure out, you know, how can I enter, hunt and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: acted these areas of that bump gender process, you're shooting
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: yourself from the foot because no pattern you, they'll figure out.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: That's when you start getting more nighttime pictures and anything.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, just coming by my stamp and everything's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: after dark, Well, more than likely you've hunted that stand
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: or hunted that blind with the wrong wind direction, or
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: you've entered it the wrong way, or you've exited the
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: wrong way, and you've educated him. And now Buck's educated now,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: and it's going to figure out. And it doesn't mean
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: that that buck's going to leave the country. You know
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: that it takes a whole whole lot for it get
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: a deer to just leave a core area. But what
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: it will do that dear, that deer will know that
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: you know, during these times a day, I do not
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: need to be coming through here because there's a predator
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: here that's trying to ambush me. I do not need
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: to come through here. So but any spot at hunt,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: because if it's pre rut, rut, post rut, whatever it is,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: I try to figure out what the deer doing, how
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: they're getting in there, how they're leaving, why are they
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: going through there, what times a day? How can I
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: get to that that area without bumping deer in the
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: process and educating on man A lot of times, I mean,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: it just seems like it books out this way. The
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: easiest routes here stands not always the best route you
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: know to where you're hunting. And I mean it might
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: be the quickest, not be the easiest. But if you're
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: going through deer, if you're bumping deer, they're bedded, or
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: you're going through you know how the sensitive areas and
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: and and you know when you're alerting er your presidents,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: you're you're you're doing more harm than good. But a
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people, um, a lot of people do that.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: They touch these guys that they don't take in. You know,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: they have I each time on the spot, I'm on
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: the Weather Channel website, I'm going by our hour forecast.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the wind direction, you know, and it's
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: sadly it's not always right. But I'm at least doing
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: that where I've got an idea. You know what wind
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: I need to have to hunt that area, what the
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: deer been doing, So I know all that, how I
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: need to get in, how I need to get out.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys will see hot side,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: will throw up, they'll pull up a stand or a
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: blind and they'll they'll hunt it every weekend, it doesn't
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: matter what's going on. They hunted every weekend. And they're
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: they're shooting ourselves from the foot because those they are
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: getting educated on that and they're knowing the key times
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: that you're hunting when you're in there, and they're feeling
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: that pressure, and they're gonna make They're gonna adjust their schedule,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: you know, in order to survive. Their patterns are going
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: to change in order to survive. And that's what that's
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah, So you pick the right way
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: to get in and out to these spots. You're thinking
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: about how the deer using it. Now, how do you
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: pick the tree? Well, I picked the tree that's gonna
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: give me the best chance, all right, you know, they
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: have to be a tree. You know, I don't have
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of the ground, taking a lot of big
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: bugs off the ground. I prefer to hunt at a tree.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: But that's not always you know, possible. Um, what I'm
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: trying to do, I try to if if if the
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: tree stands set up, I try to find and they're
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: just gonna give me the most opportunities to get a
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: shot within you know, within comfortable bow range. That's that's
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: the first thing. The sacond thing is you know, Um,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: you've gotta make sure, especially right now, we've got a
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: lot of leaves and stuff on the trees, and leaves
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: are are starting to fall a little bit, but we
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: the fold is still pretty thick. So you can get
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: away with your tree stands ups, you know, put throwing
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: up a tree stand. But when you've gotta gotta take
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: in the mine. You know, here shortly the leaves are
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: gonna start falling, the trees are gonna be bare, and um,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: you stick out like a sore thumb, you know it.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: From these places, you've got to have backdrop cover especially.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: You know, we do a lot of film, and you
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: know I've done a lot of femilar ears. Don't have
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: my aunt's famile whatnot. And you don't just have to
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: hide you. You gonna hide you in a cameraman. And
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: so you've got two stands, you've got double scent. Double
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: isn't always double the movement. So when I hang my
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: tree stands, I I take a drill. I'll take a
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: drill and I'll cut cedar limbs, you know, pine liambs,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: anything like that. That's gonna give me cover. It's gonna
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not gonna lose leaves, even when it
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: turns brown. It's still gonna laugh cover. And I'll drill
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: them into the tree, you know around me. I'll break
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: up outline good and very seldom do I get bumped
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: up in the tree. So I want to find a
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: place that's in bow range. And then I'm gonna go
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: ahead and and and and go ahead and do that stuff.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: And even with leaves and stuffup, I'm gonna go ahead
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: do that now. But I don't have to do it later.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: I might. They're making noise hanging up in lembs. I'll
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: hang them now, even though I've got plenty cover right now,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: I'll still do that. Every tree stand of mine. You'll
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: see that their cedar limbs and or pine limbs and
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: stuff in there to break up that line of myself
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: and my camera, and and I'll do that. That's what
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: I do. And then i'll map out, you know, it's
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: got a little bit ahead of myself, you know, backing up,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: I always map out before even hanging the stand of
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: how I'm going to enter it and how I'm gonna exit.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have get have a game point on how
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do that. If you're going to a stand
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: and or a blind or whatever, and you're bumping deer
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: from the time you go in the woods, and then
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: when you leave your buppeteer again, you're I mean, you're
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: you're just like I said, you shoot yourself in the foot.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: You're decreasing your chances of getting a shopton at amature
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: bud because like I said, they didn't, they didn't get
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: big by being stupid. They're not gonna they can send
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: something pressure. I can feel it like a pan on you,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: and I can figure out stuffy out. So you've got
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: to take all that in mine when you're when you're
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: choosing the ruts set up. Yeah, what about this scenario?
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: What if you pick your tree, you put your branches
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: up there, you're downwind of wherever you think the buck
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: is gonna come through. But somehow that big old buck
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: comes rolling through the saddle, he comes over the rise,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: he starts dropping down towards you, and somehow, despite all
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: your best efforts, he picks you off in the tree.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: Or or maybe you drew your ball back and the
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: arrow fell off, or something happened and you spook a buck.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: But it's November. Let's say it's the it's you know,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: the ruts pumping. You spook that buck out of there
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: during the rut. What are your thoughts on that situation?
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: In the rut, you know, there's there's a couple of
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: different ideas here. Like some people think, oh, you know,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: the bucks are crazy this time of year. You can
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: you could go right back in there and maybe they'll
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: kill him. Or other people might say, no, he's never
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: gonna walk past that tree again for another month. What
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: do you think about spooking a bucket during the rut?
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: What do you what's the impact going to be? I
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: think every scenario is different. It just depends on There's
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: so many factors on that. I mean, how you spent
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: the book. I mean, did you shoot him with the
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: bow and and and it was it a clean miss?
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Or did you did you you know, did you scrape
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: my hair off of him? But where he felt like
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: he got shot? Sometimes, you know, somebody misses a I
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: know there's a hunter here in our county that had
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: missed a good duck um the weekend before um and
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: missed it and uh come in the actually the weekend
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: other hunt. It was a uh she she she she
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: shot the deer Saturday, missed it, but it was a
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: clean miss. Didn't hit hair, didn't anything clean miss but
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: the deer blew and ran off And the next day
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: she'd have the understands for that particular wind direction, and
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: she was off work and she wouldn't go. She win,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: and the deer come back through there about a hour
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: later than it did that. Therefore, once she killed right
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: of the same the same tree and at the same time.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: Though I found situations myself or stuff like that tappen
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: of the wind the you know what. I hunt in
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: Illinois and Cans of those places, it's a little bit
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: easier to hunt the wind. And this during the mountains
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: because the wind swirls. I mean it might be a
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a northwest wind or whatnot, but at some
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: time during to day it'll it'll it'll, it swirls and
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: been on the train bounces, all stuff goes back. I mean,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: you can get It's it's real tricky, you know, the
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: wind when you're hunting hilly and in mountless terrain, and
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I've I've had there that the winds sported
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: at the wrong time, and I'm I'm, I guess I
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of people say I go overboard with
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: sent control, and I tried to. But you know, no
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: matter what, nothing's a h percent. I mean, despite what
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: some advertising might tell you, I mean, I do everything
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: I watched my clothes with the you know, with the
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: the no scent detergent. I wear no cent uh the odor,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: and I shower, I wear rubber boots. I don't put
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: my clothes until I getting the fell do all that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And and a lot of times, you know,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: most times it works, but there's some some cases where
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're gonna get how good year you're
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: going to get them a high end of the tree,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: you know, thermals changed, dropped, I made there. There are
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: many things that could happen, you know, where a deer
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: can you know, can detection and bust you. And I've
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: had situations where that, you know, the deer it changed
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: a routine a little bit. I've had it where it changed,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: it changed it completely. So every every hunt situation is
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit different, you know, And
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: I guess one of them the best ways to figure
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: that out is if you have bumped of deers, just
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: keep your cameras on it and and see if it
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's changes routine any so, like if
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: you and I were hunting this weekend and we went
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: to a place and something, you know, something happened we
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: were up in the stand and and right when the
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: buck was coming in, something tell o the tree standing
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: bumped it or or the wind switched and it it
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: went in one of us and it took off and
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: we were gonna hut the next weekend. What I would
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: want to do is model thors cameras through the week
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: and see, well, did that you know the lust pumpany?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: Did that changes routine? Did it make him come in
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: or after dark? Did he completely changes travel route that
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: you know what happened, And I'll tell you better what
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: you need to you know what you need to do.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: But there was I mean, every bug everything, Like I said,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: every situation different. I mean, I'm not long ago. I
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: can't remember the I may get the names of the
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: show or something wrong that they were. I think it
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: might have been Lee and Tiffany. I think that Lee
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: had shot a buck and it may not have been them,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: but I think it's been several years ago. But but
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: he actually shot the buck and hit it, and um,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: it was during the rut and it was handling the dough,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: and um, they couldn't they couldn't find it, and um,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: I went back got into he was sick, sick, about
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: it went back, got in the same standard. He was
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: just sick, I mean, just manage the that there just
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: to be answer because it was you know, during the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: rut and whatnot. And the buck comes through there and
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: he killed the chasing another dough and it was it
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: was it was wounded, you know, and it was still chasing,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: chasing does and he killed it. It It might I'm thinking
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: it was lativity, but it may have been another show.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: But um, a friend of mine, UM that hides up
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: in Kansas. He killed a lot of big woppy bucks.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: He's not a TV hunter, he's not a rider, he's
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: not in the industry. And I'll be just a good friend.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: And he's killed you know, killed some you know, good deer.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: And he told me a story simular that happened to him,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: you know, several years ago where he made a he
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: made a bad shot with a bow and U uh
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: and was just sick over it. And um and sent
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: spent two days looking for the deer. Couldn't find it,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: you know, claude up couldn't find it. And he'd hit
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: a limb and hit it, hit it uh way back
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: and high and uh did got through you know, the
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: vitals or anything, but I mean that you were still
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: hit and it led pretty good and wasn't getting on camera,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: and it was just sick over and thought about not
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: even going on the next weekend. I mean just I
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: mean he just depressed about it. And but he went back,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: got in the stand and up killing the deer. I
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: mean the deer come through there on on another dough
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: and um, when they're in the ruts, aer Jenel and
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: stuff's going. And I was done a hunt one time
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: in Illinois, years and years and years ago, and um,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: Craig Morgan was there and Alex Rutledge and that's back
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: when they were off with HSS and everything and and
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: buy me the hum with them and Alex killed um,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: he killed a buck over a decoys about this time
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: of the year. He came into a decoy fighting man
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: and came up to the decoy. I'm pretty sure it
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: attacked the decoy and Alex shot it with a boat.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't take it an attack to you. It
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: was coming up to it was coming up to it
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: to attack it, and all bristled up. I mean, the
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: drool coming out of its mouth. It's Frankenstein looking walk
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: and he shoots it and makes a good shot on it,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: I mean smacks it. I mean it goes right to it.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: And you could see on the footage the deer standing there.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: It jumps a little bit where he got it, felt
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: the impact of there, but didn't even know it ben't hit.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: It's sitting there just gushing mud out both sides. It
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: lowers its head and attacks the decoy. It thought the
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: decoy did that to it. It thought that the other
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: bucket somehow did that to it, and it attacked the
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: attacked the bug and it it rolled it and and
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: it got to do that, it kind of jumped back
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: and was looking and sidestepping and looking at going circle
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: around like it was going to hit it again. And
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: it's lake started get a little bit wabbly, and it
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: dropped them and die. They didn't know what it was,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: didn't know it was it. So I mean, but like
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: I said, on that stuff, he just there's always a
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: sessions to the rule. That's one thing I have learned
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: about hunting in general, and bass fisher and thingl is.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: You know, over the years, I've had theories in my
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: head that have been proven year in and year out,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: wrote about them, and all that kind of stuff. And
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: and thought I had a pretty good grass and a thing.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: And then I find an exception to the rule where
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: you know that that's not always a d percent of
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: the time. It's not always what happens as Yeah, well,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: I give an example of that. I mean, not the
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: change substry, but hunting around here. I'd always believe and
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: that big big bucks that have survived hunt pressure, survived
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: all the poach and we're smart, you know, elusive a
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: lot of them, you know, nocturnal most of the year,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. That those deer had a
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: tight core area that they stayed in, and that's what
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: kept them staye They new that area, you know, like
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: you and I know our house. They knew every part
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: of it. They knew how to travel the new work
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: the pressure comes from. The new had to avoid the
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: pressure and new were to bed, and they stayed in
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: that general area. And you know the only thing that
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: changing that pattern was were they were seeing that. And
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: it obviously changed during the rud, you know, whenever we're
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: going to look for those and that kind of stuff.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: But I mean, they had that core area that they
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: stayed in, and I always assumed that it was a
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: tight a tight area. Well, the last four or five years,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: my sons killed a couple of bucks. I've killed a
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: couple of bucks that had unique cracks that had you know,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: like a kicker on the G two or or double
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: brow times or bladed you know, something you can identify.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of big deer, a big typical
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: like you know, it's a little like that. We could look.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: You could get online and punch in big typical eight
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: point white tail bucks and you have hundreds of pictures
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: and and a lot of them. You could lay right
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: on top of the other one, a big typical eight Well,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: you know there'll be a hundred deer if you find
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: it looked like twins, you know that. But if they've
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: got a unique rack, you know, like with with bladed
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: G two or G three's got a kicker point or
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: double brow, you know, it's very simle. You'll see another
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: deer just identical to that. And we had pictures. He
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: killed a real big buck and I killed a real
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: big buck, and we had a ton of trail camp
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: pictures of them, and uh, hunter's worst nightmare. You go
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: through the places, you getting pictures. I'm consistently and three
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: or four days go by and you don't have a
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: picture of them, So I ran here. When that happens,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: the first thing we start, you think of the worst.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: You think somebody's stuck in her and they spotlighted it.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's went across the roads. Mother guy
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: shot it. You always you know, nightmare scenarios start unfolding.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: And and what's happened is that books just moved in
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: the area. And like I was saying, what defied my
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: my theories on these tight quarias that two or three
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: different books that we've killed. Other hunters in our area,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: if we've killed them, have came up to us and said,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: man I had choke CHOKEMP pictures that deer I believe,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: and you get up with them. They they send you
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: the trail camp pictures and look at them and it's
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: your deer. And um example, one of the ones my
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: son killed I got. We we had it on cameras
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: three days in the row. And this is not all
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: people can say we have during the rut, you know,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: they go everywhere you have, they're their their core libingary
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: does expand on the run. I'm not not that land
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: at all. I've always known that, but this guy was
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: getting pictures of the deer way before the rud way,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: before the cruising and scouting stage, you know, phase of
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: the road rights to looking for the dose. I mean
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: just when they should be locked in the textbook feeding
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: the bedding area, and I want the properties I'm talking about.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: It's eleven hundred acres locked up. Uh, there's there's we
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: control it. There's no hunting pressure on it. I mean,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: we've got food plots. There's there's hard woods, there's there's thickets,
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: there's alamato trees, there's apple trees, or semetries, mental licks,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: two ponds of creek. I mean, the any kind of
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: terrain or atmosphere a buck would want to be and
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: it's got it could do whatever it wants to do
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: in an area zero hunting pressure. And yet those deer,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: that dear secret deer was leaving way before, like I said,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: way before the rud or anything like that, way before
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: it was even thinking about those. It would disappear for
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: two or three days and we start thinking something happened
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: to it. And during that time that guy would get
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: it on camera. It was it was six or seven
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: miles away from from you know what we were hunting
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: at and I know what I know it was that
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: Dear I mean that that particular deer had a kicker
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: on the sea two and had one side had a
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: double brewl I mean, and the guy had a daytime
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: pictures of it, and then he would he would he
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get it on camera for three or four or
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: five days. And during that time we were getting back
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: on camera, and that deer was leaving, not because of
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: hunting pressure, not because of food, because any food it
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: could have been getting up there it had on the
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: on the propect that we were at. But sometimes they
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: just row on and get out and they and they
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: move around. He just like people or some people stay
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: in one state their whole life and only ever leave
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: their count unless they know nless they have to. And
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: then there's other people that just like to get out
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: in Rome. I think dear nature that way too. But
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: all those years, I thought, you know that these big
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: bucks staying in the tight core area. But I've had
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: we've killed four or five bucks here that the other
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: people for sure have had on camera prior to the rut,
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: and even during the post rut. And I might talking
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: about during the secondary part of the rud I'm talking
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: about during the post rut when they really should be
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: locked down to the feeding bed and patting and there,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: you know, get way out of the area that I
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: thought was a core area. And so they moved a
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: lot more than uh what I thought. So the thing
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: about deering is if you if you're want of these people,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: you've killed some big deer and and you get cocky
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: and you think you know everything about about deer. And
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: I've never felt that way. I try to learn every
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: time I go in the worlds. I try to learn something.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: And I do have theories that that I've held true
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: and whatnot on on patterns and behavior and and you know,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: in tendencies and stuff like that. But there's always exceptions
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: to the rule, always exceptions to the rule, and that
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: so when when you if you think you know everything
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: there is to know, then you're you're you're hurting yourself
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: as a deer hunter, because you need to grow, You
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: need to learn every because and you need to have
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: it in the back of your head and be open
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: mine the best stuff. There's always exceptions to the rule
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So speaking of exceptions to the rule, then
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: and I think you're d right on that um. Speaking
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: of exceptions to the rule, is there anything that you
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: do during the rut that people would think is outside
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: of the ordinary that would be an exception to the rule.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that you do the other people think
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: is crazy or just you've got them? I guess the
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: which we kind of hit on it a a little bit,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: the um. I won't think that the different in those concettas,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: I will try to simulate, like if a buck's chasing about,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: I'll kind of do that, and I kind of and
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: when I first started doing that, had them and like
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: I said, you feel goof you're doing and there you
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: are stopping through the woods and you're grunting and doing
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: an extra stone bleeping whatnot, You're breaking station duk kind
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: of stuff. You just feel like a moron after doing anything.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: I hope nobody's seeing this, but it adds realism to
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: your to your setup, in it, in it and it
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: actually you know, it actually works. That's one thing that
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: I do different, But it goes against every I'm always
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I got kind of got like a sniper mentality.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: I want to get into a place, you know, quietly,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: I want to take the shot, make one shot, make
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: an athical shot. Make it count and get out. I
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: make any make any noise I may hit. My dad
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: will be one of that area. Maybe one more and
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: one duck. I want to get any get out. I
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: tried ill he's we talked about, you know, getting to
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: your stands and stuff. I always I take the time
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: to cut out any any briers, clean pass that I
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: can use to get in there and not make anyon ones.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Don't even use the flyshlot. I an't get myries without
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: a flyshlot. I will go in. I want to sneak in.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to disturb anything going in or disturb
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: anything going out. And that goes against every fiber of
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: my body. When you get out there and you're breaking
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: sticks and you're grunt and you're making that noise, and
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: because in the back of your money thinking I'm screwing
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: this place up, you know, I'm making all this rack
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: and all this noise, and you know I probably ran
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: a deer off. That's what's what goes through your head.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: But if, like my son said when he was selling
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: me do at the time he said that, I said,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: you know, but because he's been in the standing and
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: witnessed that he's witnessed, you know, a buck chasing that
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: I was doing a team and grunt and saying here
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: and I don't do an astra stoll bleak and all
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And when you see melate that
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: and you're breaking the sticks, you're and you're but you
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: go rustle through the waves, and you're trying to sound
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: like deer, you know, trotting through there, trying to sound
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: like it sound like a deer. And he said, you know,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: close your eyes. That sounded identical to that, and and
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and it works sometimes. So I one of
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: the guests, I guess the one of the things I
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of it's kind of off the wall.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Um uh. One of the other things I do. I
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: think that you'll be a lot different than a lot
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: of people talk about hunting all day and and you know,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: and they really don't. They'll hunt, you know, before before daylight,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: and I'll hunt until you know, two or three o'clock
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: in the day and they'll we'll wear down, get hungry
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: and they'll leave. But I'll do a lot of a
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: lot of sense from from before daylight after dark. And
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: it's tough, I mean, it's it's it's tough to do those.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: But but I mean during the rut you need I mean,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: you know, pre rut, No, you don't have Tonday lots
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: to dark, you know you do. You need to follow
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: your cameras. They are more on a predictable walk down,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: you know, pad of feem, the bend pattern. But but
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: when when the rud's end, there's breeding activity, and especially
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: the fact that there are so many other hunters in
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: the woods, you need to stay in there as long
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: as you can stay in there. If you can hunt
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: to day not to dark, do it. You need to
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: stay because you just never know what's going to happen.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: Hard You hard to argue with that. Just if there's
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: nothing else that comes down down to it. During the rut,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: it's being in the tree, being there to be present
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: for the opportunity when it comes. Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: You can't kill him at home. I can't shoot them
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: off the couch. You need to be up there and
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: end the past. I hunted with um. I had the
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: moment you two times in my life, and one of
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: the times was during during gunstingy I hunted with which
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: is crazy. I don't recommend that I'm actually I could
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: kill you, but I did it because you know, um
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I am it out in the ride or
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: I have done TV stuff like that kind of thing.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: But I've also been a teacher in my whole life,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: and and and being a teacher you get X amount
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: of sick days and the X amount of personal days
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. And I went to school, you know, definitely sick,
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: because if my principal knew when I was, when I
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: was in the classroom that if I called in sick,
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: I was either going fishing or going on I mean
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: that they do that. I didn't have to lie to
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: I never did tell me, ay, I'm sick. You know,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: technically you're not supposed to you're not supposed to take
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: you know, sick days to kind of do that stuff
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: that you calate all the sick days and for yours,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you can use them, so it's not counting
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  Speaker 1: against anybody. So but my prince wasn't I didn't have
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: to fake a call for they knew that that Travis
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: Watter's calling it that he's definitely going deer hunting or
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: turkey unting or bass fishing or something like that. And um,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: saw went the school definitely stick of save my days.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: And I've hunted and you can't always control me. I
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: found UH. I used to coach basketball and I was
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: assistant coach on the varsity one year, and and UH
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: played basketball in my entire life, coached that, that all
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And UH, at the time I
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: was coaching, our second string was a lot weaker than
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: the first five. So the varsity coach would want me
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: to take the second string and played, you know, on
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: their team and and scrimmage the first five, and um,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: you know, because I was a pretty good player and whatnot.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: I say he'd used me for that. And I've done
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: that a lot and enjoyed doing That's a good exercise
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: for deer and everything. But I remember one year, UH
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting on doing that and I didn't have my
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: high talk basketball shoes with me, and he said, needs
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: to go to that. We said, we, I know, practice schedule,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: We hadn't planned on on doing this, but he said,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I decide with you know, some things going
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: on wrong. I need to see it. You know, when
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: a game scenarios, I need you to go today. I said, coach,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: I ain't going. I don't have my eyetops. He said,
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: he's where did you? We'll just go, you know, a
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: quarter or two, he's, I just need to see a
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: couple of things you said, He said, you should be
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: all right. Played the whole life. I've had stitches. Well,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: I dove all those balls and elbowed all that kind
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Never had a turned ankle's aggressive as I played?
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: Ever had a turned ankle, Bobby Dagon if I didn't.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: But the third play into into a scrimmage, and I
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: turned my ankles on back. I mean it swell ups,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: so back and then get my shoe on, and uh
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: I got my boot on. I thought that ever happened
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: on a Friday Saturday morning, hunted and I killed a
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: deer and my cut. I never forget this. My cousin
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: killed up to me and and he drove in that
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: place separately. And back then where we sign up we
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: have seal reservice. We had the you know the radios,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: the Waltman radio's type dealing. And I've raid up to
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: my killed one and I was headed out and he said,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: I'll meet you back at the truck. And I considered
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: pulling that deer. He said, but what's wrong with did
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: you hurt yourself? And I said, I hurt myself Friday.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: I told him what I did. You can just try
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: to take with a lot about too bad. Well, I
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: pulled my boot off the show him and just he
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: said here and he's I cannot believe you're in the wood.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: He how you even walk? I mean we look like
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: a balloon. But you know, you gotta you gotta do
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: what you gotta do. You know, I could have laid
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: there at home, felt surf myself and my ankles heard
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: or you know, I'm wore out. I've had a rough
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: week at work and we've all been there. We've all
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: been It's hard to work hard all week and then
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: get up even earlier on a Saturday, you know, and hunt.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: But if it's during the rut, you know, if you
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: love deer hunting like we do, you've got to be
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, it's just stoll is to it.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: Perseverance will kill you more dear than then then out
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: anything else you can do, and you've got to, You've
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: got to. You've just gotta put yourself in the in
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: a situation where you can get a shout opportunity, and
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: you sure can't do that at home. Yeah, that that
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: might be the best run hunting advice we've had yet.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: And that's pretty fitting place to wrap it up to.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: So now, Travis, this has been this has been great.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: I've I've really enjoyed it. So so thank you for
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: taking into we're talking to you today. I said I
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: could do this. I could do this all day long.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, um, kind of get excited sometimes you're talking.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: When you bring up a certain scenario or something about
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: twenty different things right there your head, you just can't
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: just can't cover at all. But I think we've done
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: a pretty good job today, you know, covering, covering. You know,
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: the taxes of the people need running ow to get on,
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: get on the big one to kill one all the
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: way up through the through the end of the rut.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and I'm gonna try I'm heading out probably
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: about half hour and head out and get after it myself.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: And I might try that rubbing or grunting rub idea
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: if I see my big my big target buck off
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: in the distance. So I'll let you know if that works. Yeah,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: keep me posts, man, I hope you helpe you knock
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: him in the dirt. Appreciate Travis well, if folks want
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: to read your writing or see the things you're up to,
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: is there any particular place they should keep an eye
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: out for that in the future. Yeah, there's a at
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: do a lot of oracles from North American whitetail do
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: outdoor life, the stuff with the bugs on the out
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: in their life, you know, stuff like that, And you
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: can probably just google my name. I think a lot
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: of the some of the shows or if stay buried
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: on the TV and stuff like, they rerun them on
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: where you can get them online. And some of my
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: hunters and stuff wrong a lone where you can look
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: them up and watch the end of that kind of thing.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: But um, you usually google on that you can put
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: up some articles and stuff. They can taking a lot
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: of the magazines you know about did they put a
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: lot and put them online? If they come off the
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: off the standing out the magazine put them online, so perfect.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of stuff after like that. So all right, well,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: I'll make sure to let folks know where they can
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: they can find all that. And I've been following you
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: for years and I've always enjoyed your your perspective and
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: the articles you've written, so thanks for doing that. I've
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: done the same to you. I trying to follow you.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize that I get your podcast
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: live there. I'm gonna start listening to a lot. It's
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: a you know, out of me on to do it.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I throw done some research out look at
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: the man, You've got a good thing going. I'm gonna
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: definitely be checking in out from here on out. Yeah,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that we've It's been a lot of funs.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: Definitely give me an opportunity to learn from a lot
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: of great hunters. And uh, i'd say today we add
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: one more list, So we thank you. Do you wanna
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: do you want to hear one joke before we go,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a deer hunting joke. There was a
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: these two guys were hunting in a certain area and
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: they got all of this this monster buck boon a
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: truck at buck, you know, buck of a lifetime, and
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: they both had permission up there area and and everything,
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: and they were decided that you know that they would
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: flip for it. Who was gonna get to kill it?
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: You know that would feel if they wanted to film it,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: they want filming for a show. I thought, if they
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: just wanted to have it, you know, have that hunt
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: as a as a keepsake. So they flipped for it.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: One guy. One other guy lost, and they were gonna
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: hunt for that weekend. Um Li was up in the
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: weekend and gun Steasons. They going there and they they
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: got a blind up overlooking this little winter wheat field.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: It's adjacent to this road. It goes up against this
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: big thicket, and that buck had been coming out right
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: there near the road and coming right out, you know,
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: in the in the morning times of Teton and and
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: and you know said check for those looking for those
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. And they had it on camera. So they
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: were just you know, fired up about Erica. They knew that,
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, they were gonna get it on film. And
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: the guy's gonna get to shoot it. So they're getting
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: their way. Poor daylight gets set up. They're up there
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: in a in a shooting house. They put my big
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: shoot house up and they're gonna do it right, you know,
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: I'll be in beverefit rain or whatever. They're gonna get
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: out there. So they're up there in the shooting house
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: and everything's going on, and in uh start breaking daylight
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: first part of the morning. They seen some doughs whatnot,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: and and a little activity and got up that bed morning,
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and they've been getting a lot of bid
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: morning active younger trail cameras something. You know, this this
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: is gonna be it, sure enough, ten thirty levenclock in
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: the morning. Buck steps out there. It is how you're
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: yawing it? How yall? The guy gets carried. Yeah, I'm
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: on I'm on it, I'm on it. And he and
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: he said, let's get some potage. Other it sits out there,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: it comes out, you know, real cautious life. And I'm
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: looking around and cool up. Tharrel goes up to a
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: doll and and uh comes up in behind her and
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: she kind of trots off and and it's standing out
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: there and they're getting all that on film, and the
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: guy clicks his safety off. These guys are gonna up
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: from the shooting sticks and is getting ready to shoot
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: and he looks up to the porners hire comes but
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: the traffic down that road. But they were used to
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: that traffic, you know, their backs were to that road,
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: so they didn't freak you marrything. But he looked and
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: it was a funeral procession, you know. Flags up on
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: the on the car, lights on you you know, other
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: cars were pulled up to the road. It's went up
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: through there. The guy looks at it, looks back through
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: the scope, looks back at the cars again, looks back
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: at his scope, and his buddy's thinking, why is he
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: not Why is he not shooting it? Why is he
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: not shooting it? So he he looks back at the
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: at the funeral session again, stops, takes off his hat,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: puts up against his chest, bows his head, and starts praying,
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: you know, then a little silent prayer. And his buddy
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: just can't believe it. You know, those guys that die
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: hard hunter, they've looked for the all season. There the
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: buck is he could shoot it, and and and he's
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: doing They just couldn't believe he's doing that. So, uh,
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: the buck left during that time, and he didn't get
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: the shot, and the cars went by, and and the
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: buddy said, man said, I'm kind of proud of you
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: in a way because you know that I showed great respect,
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: you know, for that funeral things. But I just I
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: just can't leave. You didn't shoot it. I just can't
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: leave you didn't shoot that deer. And he said, well,
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: he's like I kind of failed. Obligated. He said obligated
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: And he said, what do you mean obligated to shower? Said,
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He said, well, man, listen,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: he said. I was married to her for twenty five years.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: He was at the run like that. I got Runnell
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: Rod Pronty. That is a good one. I didn't know
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: where that was going so thoroughly. That is a good man.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: I'll let you go. We had again. Be sure to
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: keep me posting on how much you're seeing, and I'll
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: do the same. I'm I'm getting fired up. I'm gonna
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: try to hunt something. We've got a big co front
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: coming in Friday and and I'm gonna try to get
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: on one this this weekend. So make it happens. Sounds good, well,
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: good luck and shoot straight all right, man, you too,
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: And there you go, my friends, Another one in the books.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: Hopefully this will help a lot of you in the woods.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: We've got if you're listening to this right when it drops,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: We've got three weeks left of November, lots of rut
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: hunting ahead of you, So get out there, hunt hard,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: have a good time. Don't get too stressed. I know
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: I have a tendency that as the as the rut continues,
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: every day flips off the calendar. I start feeling more
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: and more pressure because the rut is falling behind me.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: Now we're seven days down, we're ten days down, we're
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: fifteen days down. You start to worry it's ever gonna happen.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: Don't be like me. Just enjoy the moment, get out there,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: putting the time, and good things will happen. So until
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: with yet again, next time, thank you for listening, and
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt