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The Late Debate | 6 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lewens.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the late pays.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. Anthony Albaneze says he loves quiet diplomacy, so
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  Speaker 3: how will he react to the Indonesian president releasing a
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  Speaker 3: minute long video of their phone call after Saturday's election?
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  Speaker 1: When we'll play you some of that a little later.
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  Speaker 3: Plus when we look at the papers, Tim Wilson becomes
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  Speaker 3: the first Liberal to win back a seat from the Teals,
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  Speaker 3: and the front page of Tomorrow's Australian has more leaks
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  Speaker 3: from Liberal Party campaigners about just how bad the election
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  Speaker 3: campaign was.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to all.
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  Speaker 3: Of that shortly, but you would have heard the expression
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  Speaker 3: NIMBYs not in my backyard, locals who want the local
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  Speaker 3: area just for locals. Well, there's a bunch of Nimby's
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  Speaker 3: in Eastern Sydney who want backpackers band from the iconic
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  Speaker 3: Bronte Beach on Christmas Day. And I got to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I don't blame them. Every Christmas backpackers descend on the
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  Speaker 3: iconic beach and completely trash the joint. You can have
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  Speaker 3: a look at some of the images on your screen
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  Speaker 3: there from Christmas just gone. Garbage ends up being left
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  Speaker 3: absolutely everywhere, and of course locals end up paying for
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  Speaker 3: the massive cleanup. This has been happening for a number
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  Speaker 3: of years now. Last Christmas there were fifteen thousand, mostly
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  Speaker 3: overseas backpackers and it took all night for council staff,
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  Speaker 3: who of course are paid for with local rates, to
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  Speaker 3: get the beach back to its normal, pristine condition. So
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  Speaker 3: Waverley Council came to locals last night with a few options.
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  Speaker 3: Option one was we just allow this event to continue
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  Speaker 3: without any changes. Locals, as you can imagine, weren't happy
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  Speaker 3: about that. Option two was, well, we'll pay for extra
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  Speaker 3: police and extra toilets in the hope of cleaning it up.
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  Speaker 3: Locals didn't want to pay for that. Another option was
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  Speaker 3: more security and more transport. Locals rejected that. The fourth option,
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  Speaker 3: the final one, was pretty extreme, a one kilometer fence
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  Speaker 3: right around Bronte Beach and tickets being sold for entry
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  Speaker 3: on Christmas Day, and locals rejected that as well. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: locals proposed their own solution then that is shut the
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  Speaker 3: entire event down. Now, of course they can't legally stop
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  Speaker 3: anyone from going to the beach. So locals suggested, We're
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  Speaker 3: willing to pay through our rates for police sniffer dogs
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  Speaker 3: that'll get rid of.
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  Speaker 1: A whole lot of backpackers.
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  Speaker 3: We're willing to pay for bag checking to make sure
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  Speaker 3: people don't bring alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: And why don't we do a little thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's called caleb geo blocking, which would prevent
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  Speaker 3: ubers from getting closer to the area and make it
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  Speaker 3: difficult for backpackers to access the joint. Now I suspect
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  Speaker 3: you are going to say live and let live, but
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  Speaker 3: I reckon if you're watching your local beach trash year
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  Speaker 3: after year, you've got the right to say enough.
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  Speaker 4: But you don't own the beach. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 4: the great you live there? Is great you live there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean everyone who gets to live in a beauty
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  Speaker 5: exactly areawashed.
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  Speaker 6: Can't visit out visit.
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  Speaker 4: I live in Balmain. Does that mean I should be
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  Speaker 4: able to then say that all the lefties should be evicted?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, unfortunately, when I look when I looked at
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  Speaker 4: the booths.
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  Speaker 1: The way I treat the place.
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  Speaker 4: When I looked at the booth, well, I mean your
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  Speaker 4: political position says a lot about how you treat the place.
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  Speaker 4: And when I looked at the booth that I voted
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  Speaker 4: at on Saturday in bal Main, there were fifty two
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  Speaker 4: people out of the thousands who walked in there who
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  Speaker 4: put one nation as their first preference.
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  Speaker 1: And I think.
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  Speaker 4: Laybads, you know, one point three or it was ridiculous. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: My point is, even though you live there, you can't
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  Speaker 4: dictate who moves in and out of the area. And
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  Speaker 4: the great thing about the beaches in Australia is that
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  Speaker 4: we all.
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  Speaker 2: Have access to them.
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  Speaker 4: No one owns the beach, no one gets to say
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  Speaker 4: that you can and cannot.
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  Speaker 2: Use the beach.
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  Speaker 4: I agree that a bunch of these people are obviously louts,
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  Speaker 4: and I hate seeing litter, and they ought to be
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  Speaker 4: made to pick up the litter. You know, the council
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  Speaker 4: can send people down with the with you know, electric
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  Speaker 4: cow prods or something.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Concerned, a bloody litter, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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  Speaker 4: But you can't say that you're not allowed to go
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  Speaker 4: to the beach and have fun on Christmas Day. And
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  Speaker 4: I mean, for Heaven's sake, you can't even take a
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  Speaker 4: beer to the beach on Christmas Day. What a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of wowsers. What a nanny state we are. If you
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  Speaker 4: can't enjoy a beer or a glass of wine or
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  Speaker 4: whatever it is on the beach on Christmas Day and
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  Speaker 4: have a bit of fun that sure, sure some people
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  Speaker 4: carry on a bit, but you can't let the noisy
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  Speaker 4: few ruin it for.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of them here to pick up your litter.
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  Speaker 2: Fortun to pick up the litter.
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  Speaker 5: Mag your line of reasoning. Then we'd have to cancel
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  Speaker 5: every single Australia Day fireworks because you've seen the absolute
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  Speaker 5: mountains of rubbish that goes for miles.
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  Speaker 6: No one capture.
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  Speaker 5: We need drone footage to capture the extent of the damage.
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  Speaker 5: Once hundreds of thousands of people have cleared out post
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  Speaker 5: the Australia A fireworks, you wouldn't then be like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 5: we've got to shut that down. People sadly don't behave
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  Speaker 5: as they should, and especially if they're coming to the area,
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  Speaker 5: they're not going to be packing their rubbish in a
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  Speaker 5: rubbish bag and taking it back home. The council could
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  Speaker 5: do a lot more in putting out way more bins
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  Speaker 5: and some of the measures that they propose were actually
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  Speaker 5: quite reasonable, but saying no alcohol or trying to reduce
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  Speaker 5: the number of people enjoying the beach on a great
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  Speaker 5: day like Christmas. That's just downright un Australian. And keep
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  Speaker 5: in mind, every single area in Sydney, if it's a beautiful,
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  Speaker 5: one has to put up with this to a certain extent.
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  Speaker 5: There's the street in Kurabilly called McDougall Street, and everyone
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  Speaker 5: already knows if you live in Sydney what I'm about
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  Speaker 5: to say, because it is lined with jackarandas and every
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  Speaker 5: spring it turns into a magical wonderland. And every spring
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  Speaker 5: thousands of people come.
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  Speaker 6: To McDougall Street.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel so sorry that the people who actually
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  Speaker 5: live on that beautiful area in Sydney because they are
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  Speaker 5: beset their roads that they'd normally get to park on
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  Speaker 5: because it is their road, they are residents there. Those
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  Speaker 5: roads are shut down for safety measures and it is
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  Speaker 5: literally be set upon. I waddled down there for some
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  Speaker 5: coffee and wattle stree, wattled tottled whatever.
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  Speaker 6: You want to say.
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  Speaker 5: Meander down there literally breathing room only.
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  Speaker 6: It's on the water.
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  Speaker 5: It's got a stunning park right there, and people are
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  Speaker 5: doing photoshit out there were girls who had brought costume
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  Speaker 5: changes so that they could do several shoots.
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  Speaker 6: It was absolute pandemonium.
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  Speaker 5: And this is not just a tree line street, it's
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  Speaker 5: a house line street.
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  Speaker 6: So those people end looks.
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  Speaker 5: Do you have so many beautiful areas of Sydney would
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  Speaker 5: have to put up with this for different reasons at
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  Speaker 5: different times of the year. And if you've chosen to
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  Speaker 5: live in the sacred part of stron too, you had
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  Speaker 5: absolutely stunning Yes it is You're gonna have to suck.
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  Speaker 3: Up a reflex reaction and response. This has been happening
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  Speaker 3: for year after year after.
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  Speaker 5: Year, as does the Carnage Post Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Various things to fix it up.
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  Speaker 3: If you had fifteen thousand people having a massive party
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  Speaker 3: in your front yard year after year, not your yard
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  Speaker 3: public and.
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  Speaker 1: Who pays for it? They're the ones who pay.
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  Speaker 6: For it a log budget for a single year.
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  Speaker 1: The reality locals paid the same.
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  Speaker 4: We should be So you put a date on the
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  Speaker 4: beach and so you can only get to if you
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  Speaker 4: show your rate slip. Did you ever see the BBC
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  Speaker 4: comedy The League of Gentlemen came out in the nineties. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's set in this sort of tight knit town.
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  Speaker 4: And in the first episode, this out of towner walks
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  Speaker 4: into the local general store and they're all up in
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  Speaker 4: arms that this out of town has walked in.
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  Speaker 2: They say, this is.
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  Speaker 4: A local shop for local people, and that sounds exactly
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  Speaker 4: like what you suggest. This is a local beach for
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  Speaker 4: local people, and all you are my imagine you came
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  Speaker 4: in from Penrith. How do you come from Penrith? Rate
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  Speaker 4: unwashed swive?
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  Speaker 3: When I lived on the Sunshine Coast, at New Year's Eve,
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  Speaker 3: they fenced off a.
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  Speaker 1: Major part of the Malulabar Beach and you had to pay.
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  Speaker 3: It was a small fee to get inside, but it
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  Speaker 3: enabled them to kick numbers to a reasonable amount so
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  Speaker 3: that they didn't get problems. I don't mind the fence
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  Speaker 3: off and charging.
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  Speaker 2: In build a wall.
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  Speaker 6: Very Jompian.
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  Speaker 1: I think you lack sympathy and empathy for the locals.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, now you get to enjoy it all year round
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  Speaker 5: and again you get to live in a really beautiful
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  Speaker 5: part of Sydney. There's gonna be some downsides, boohoo for
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  Speaker 5: you will envy you the year round other than Christmas.
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  Speaker 5: But one council who's actually doing something pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 6: He is Mornington Peninsula councils.
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  Speaker 5: They're getting together tonight and deciding on whether they are
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  Speaker 5: going to redirect front funds that were a ridgely directed
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  Speaker 5: at climate action grants and actually put it toward Australia
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  Speaker 5: Day celebrations, ANZACs Day celebrations, community services and roads.
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  Speaker 6: So actual local government council things. This is revelatory. We
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  Speaker 6: are with you. Let's hope this.
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  Speaker 5: Catches on Mornington Peninsula. We read in the paper today
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  Speaker 5: up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars would be
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  Speaker 5: invested in local area community capital infrastructure grants, one hundred
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  Speaker 5: thousand would be allocated to Biolink support grants and a
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  Speaker 5: further fifty thousand set aside for the biosphere.
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  Speaker 6: Road safety, emergency services and.
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  Speaker 5: Lifeguards would be boosted by one hundred and fifteen thousand
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  Speaker 5: in community led safety subsidies, and tourism centers across the
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  Speaker 5: region would share in eighty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 6: So if the council adopts.
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  Speaker 5: This, they're going to scrap one hundred and sixty thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars in climate grant which were previously used to pay
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  Speaker 5: for all bits and pieces and a group called repower
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  Speaker 5: and we're saving the planet when everyone just wants road
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  Speaker 5: rates and rubbish done.
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  Speaker 6: It looks like the morning too.
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  Speaker 5: Peninsula is actually returning to its remiss.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I had I had to look up in
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  Speaker 4: that quote a bit one hundred grand for biolink support graphs.
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  Speaker 2: What wank is this?
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  Speaker 4: Apparently biolink is where you get like little bits of
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  Speaker 4: habitat and sort of build them together so that I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, a chlamydia infested koalas can walk from one
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  Speaker 4: paddock to another.
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  Speaker 6: Apparently that's what that is in the budget.
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  Speaker 2: Good or good on them.
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  Speaker 4: But one of the things that does annoy me about
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  Speaker 4: this is that they're cutting three hundred and fifty grand
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  Speaker 4: out of the arts. And I think that's one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that you could argue does actually add something
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  Speaker 4: to the community as it goes to Of course.
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  Speaker 7: It does, of course, state of the other every time
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  Speaker 7: we put up a story about the latest artistic decision
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  Speaker 7: by a council, it's a communist I so i'd have believe.
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  Speaker 4: Like we're back in Soviet Agree, I'd have believe give
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  Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty k for the local orchestra and
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  Speaker 4: an opera group.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I like that that they were giving money
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  Speaker 3: to local musos to help them launch launch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this should be there should be there
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  Speaker 4: should be better overside over that. But eyes on the
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  Speaker 4: prize though. They've also asked for five million dollars to
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  Speaker 4: be found in wages, and good on them, and five
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  Speaker 4: another five million dollars in other service efficiencies elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Good on them.
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  Speaker 4: But last month they scrapped and this is this will
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  Speaker 4: probably get up and this is the indicator, is that
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  Speaker 4: last month they scrapped their climate emergency declaration. And can
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  Speaker 4: you believe it, in the last three years, the Mornington
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  Speaker 4: Peninsula Council in Victoria had spent eleven point seven million
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  Speaker 4: dollars on climate related things. No point seven million dollars
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  Speaker 4: on the climate.
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  Speaker 3: This is a council for heaven and that includes four
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  Speaker 3: million dollars for wages for to administrate the remaining seven
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  Speaker 3: million dollars to somehow change the climate. They've decided that
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  Speaker 3: from now on, funding must meet three criteria and these
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  Speaker 3: are revelatory. Funding needs to be transparent, it needs to
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  Speaker 3: be well considered, and third, it needs to deliver clear
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  Speaker 3: public value.
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  Speaker 6: Imagine incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I love this people like to speak.
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  Speaker 3: To your point about climate emergencies. Kingston Council in Victoria
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  Speaker 3: they declared a climate and ecological emergency a few years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And of course once you declare an emergency, over ninety
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  Speaker 3: councils around Australia have done this, then they've got to
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  Speaker 3: have a climate emergency plan, and of course the plan
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  Speaker 3: then requires funding. So Kingston Council they spent a million
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  Speaker 3: dollars out of their rate payer budget on trying to
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  Speaker 3: change the climate. I'm just wondering if any of these
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  Speaker 3: staff ever gets sacked when the temperature doesn't change.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like some of them aregonu, which is
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  Speaker 5: they're also like Caleb mentioned, the councilors have directed their
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  Speaker 5: bureaucrats run every single council. But there's in particular to
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  Speaker 5: gouge millions of dollars out of what they're currently forking
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  Speaker 5: out for employees for council employees.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe maybe it's an overall crack.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like dog to me, do you think they'll
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  Speaker 1: be spared or no.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go, they'll have.
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  Speaker 4: All over. I reckon I would make a good climate
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  Speaker 4: emergency officer. I reckon I'd be perfectly cut out for
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  Speaker 4: the job, because if anyone knows how to squander some money,
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  Speaker 4: I'm probably the man to do it. Now, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know some of you at home probably follow AFL and
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  Speaker 4: others follow NRL. But bear with me if you're an
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  Speaker 4: NRL person here because this is about more than just sport.
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  Speaker 4: This is about injustice.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's an.
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  Speaker 4: AFL player, he plays over reports, so that's the first
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  Speaker 4: strike against his name. I'm an Adelaide Crow's man. Willie
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  Speaker 4: Rioli of course comes from the famous AFL family, the Riolis,
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  Speaker 4: and anyone who follows Ossie rules will know what.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 4: But he was caught up in the weekend in a
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  Speaker 4: scuffle in the third quarter against the Bulldogs with one
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  Speaker 4: of their players, Bailey Dale, and following the match, he
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  Speaker 4: sent him a DM on social media, a direct message
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  Speaker 4: in which he issued a pretty serious threat that if
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  Speaker 4: he stepped outside of his hotel room, that is Dale,
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  Speaker 4: when he is in Darwin this weekend they're playing against
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  Speaker 4: the Gold Coast in Darwin on Saturday, that Ril has
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  Speaker 4: a lot of family, a lot of mates up in
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  Speaker 4: Darwin and they will sort him out.
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  Speaker 2: That is a clear and serious threat, and you would
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  Speaker 2: think that would.
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  Speaker 4: Require intervention from not only the clubs but the AFL.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, for heaven's sake, if you've got players threatening
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  Speaker 4: each other, not just on the field in the heat
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  Speaker 4: of the moment, but off the field when they have
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  Speaker 4: clarity of mind, this is the kind of thing you
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  Speaker 4: have to stop. But when it comes to Willie Rioli,
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  Speaker 4: apparently not. He's been counseled sorry by his club, the
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  Speaker 4: Port Adelaide Football Club, but the AFL says there's no
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  Speaker 4: case to answer here.
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  Speaker 2: There are no.
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  Speaker 4: Suspensions, no finds, nothing to speak of.
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  Speaker 2: And why might that be?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Willy Rioli, he is from the Rioli family, is
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  Speaker 4: an Indigenous man, and just a couple of weeks ago
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  Speaker 4: he brought up racism. Now you might remember a few
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: years ago there was this bogus report done into supposed
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: racism problems at the Hawthorne Football Club, and Rioli brought
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  Speaker 4: this back up again in an Instagram post that he
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: put up referring to the Hawthorne Football Club where he said,
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  Speaker 4: play with fire, you're gonna get burnt.
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  Speaker 2: My hatred for this club goes way past last.
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  Speaker 4: Year's antics, and I'll get to them in a moment.
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  Speaker 4: What they did to my dad and my brother. Is
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  Speaker 4: why I can't stand them, not the players. So just
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  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago and he took a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of time off after that. Again, he wasn't sanctioned
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  Speaker 4: for doing this. He brings up racism problems in AFL,
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  Speaker 4: and then a few weeks later he issues a full
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  Speaker 4: blown threat to another player and for some reason that
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  Speaker 4: gets swept under the carpet. Methinks it's because he's been
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  Speaker 4: talking about racism recently and the AFL is going easy
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  Speaker 4: on him, because when you consider other people in the
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  Speaker 4: people in the AFL who've been sanctioned for far less recently,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is just ridiculous. You had players during
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  Speaker 4: the off season who was sanctioned for rocking up to
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  Speaker 4: a private party after the season ended dressed as Osama
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  Speaker 4: bin Laden.
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  Speaker 2: Did that hurt anyone? No, it didn't issue a threat though,
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  Speaker 2: no problem.
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  Speaker 4: Jeremy Finlayson, who also plays for Port Adelaide last year
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  Speaker 4: got three matches. He was suspended for three matches because
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  Speaker 4: he used a homophobic slur on the field. He immediately
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  Speaker 4: reported that to his team, went to the opposition team
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  Speaker 4: and apologized, fronted up to his club and told them
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  Speaker 4: what he had done. He was disciplined by his club,
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  Speaker 4: but the AFL saw fit for that to give him
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  Speaker 4: three matches. The coach of Port Adelaide Football Club last
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: year had a very brief verbal scuffle with Jack Ginovan.
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  Speaker 4: He was given a twenty eight thousand dollar fine for
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: getting a bit lippy after they beat the Hawks in
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: the semi finals.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Who else have you got? Alistair Clarkson, the coach of
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: North Melbourne.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: He was fined twenty grand last year for calling an
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: opposition player a soft cock.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: On on and on it goes.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Taylor Walker was given six matches for a racist slur
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: he used during a match in which he.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Was not playing.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, we have a very clear precedent here. When
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: reasonably minor things happen, the AFL comes out and gives
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: you either a serious fine or a suspension. But Willie
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Rioli brings up racism a couple of weeks ago. He
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: then commits an offense and somehow the AFL does nothing
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: about it. You can't tell me that those two events
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: are not linked.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: And that's the problem the AFL has because the AFL,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: as most people would be aware, is the most woke
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: sporting organization in the country. It seems like every other
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: weekend of football, the round is dedicated to some particular cause,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: whether it's the Rainbow Round or whatever indigenous round. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: so whether or not this is about Reoli's indigenous background,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: that will be the perception. And that's a bad thing
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: for the AFL to have. If anyone in any normal
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: workplace had issued such a threat to a colleague, you'd
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: imagine they would immediately be sacked at least. And yet,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: as you said, really in this workplace, the AFL are
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: all about workplace safety, you know, they're all about protecting
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: their heads. So you can't tackle properly or bump properly anymore,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: but you're allowed to issue a threat of violence, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: somehow that is completely overlooked by the AFL.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: One more thing on this. I always like to reverse
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the scenarios in these instances. If it was.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: A white player issuing a threat to Willie Rioli.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I'll get my boys on you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: You could imagine the outrage and the AFL would come
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: down like a ton of bricks. So this just smacks
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: of hypocrisy and another reason why so many people who
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: love the sport pretty much given up on the administration
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and are turning their back on the AFL because it
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: is incredibly hypocritical in.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: Woke too right to the States. Now when just when
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: you think Donald Trump.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Has just made too many announcements that maybe don't make
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: that much sense of late, he's doing a great job
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: on many other scores, But yesterday we were talking about
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: his new one hundred percent tariffs on movies that aren't
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: made in the United States of America. He wants all
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: those production costs to stay in the country, which has
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: everyone scratching their heads, going, movies aren't products, they don't
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: travel through ports, how can you tariff these Well, barely
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: twenty four hours later, he has now decided to announce
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: that he is going to reopen Alcatraz. Yes, that infamous
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: prison located on an island.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Near San Francisco.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: It has been closed since nineteen sixty three. It was
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: closed back then because it cost three times more to
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: run than any other prison in the States, and they
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: were just like, hey, this isn't economically sound, let's just
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: shut the thing down. It's been a tourism bonanza ever since.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: We know that.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: The numbers they see one point six million visitors every
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: year and raise over sixty million annually in revenue. Trump
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: says that's all over. It's gonna be a prison again.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: And here he is explaining to reporters the gravity and
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: why he's done this.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It's long been a simple Alcadrazo.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Whatever it is, it's a sad symbol, but it's a
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: symbol of law and order.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Mud.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows at this point whether he is completely trolling
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: or whether maybe he's lost his marbles, because one would
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: imagine that not too many taxpayers in America are that
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: excited about returning Alcatraz to its former glory as one
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: of the most feared prisons in the world. I don't
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: think it's high up on their priority list when you
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: look at the litany of problems that America is facing.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: But of course, what this did.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Immediately was trigger all the lefties. Here is California Senator
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Scott Wiener.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: It's crazy, it's bizarre, it seems unhinged. The idea that
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: it would be turned back into a prison would be
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: so expensive and just so dumb that it's hard to imagine.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: And of course Nancy Pelosi, parliamentary dinosaur, weighed in using
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: x She wrote Alcatraz closed as a federal penitentiary more
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: than sixty years ago, so she would have been about
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: sixty at that time. It is now a very popular
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: national park and major tourist attraction. The President's proposal is
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: not a serious one. You might want to check your notes,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Nancy Pelosi, because he took to his own social media
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: to double down on what he'd told the reporters.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: He wrote, rebuild and open Algatraz.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: For too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: and repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: never contribute anything other than misery and suffering. Today, I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: directing the Bureau of Prisons, together with the Department of Justice,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: the FBI, and Homeland Security, to reopen a substantially enlarged
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: and rebuilt Alcatraz to house America's most.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Ruthless and violent offenders.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: The reopening of Alcatraz will serve as a symbol of
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: law and order and justice, and we will make America
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: great again. So you've got one of the Democrats, one
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: of the main Democrats in the House, being like, this
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: isn't a serious proposal. He's not being legitimate about this,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: and Trump screaming in the background, saying yes, I absolutely am.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: What do you make of that?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The symbolism is pretty obvious, right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Trump says that a serious nation used to deal harshly
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: with violent criminals. He committed to the electorate that he
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: would deport violent illegal aliens. But now, of course the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: courts are saying you can't do that. So there's going
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to be massive court cases that's going to take forever.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: And so Trump is simply making the point, we used
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: to deal with extreme measures against violent criminals, and now
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: we've gone soft.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: That's the symbolism. I don't think he's serious.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: But what he's done, and he's got precedent for this
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: because he did it over Gaza as well, is he's
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: changed the conversation, right, because most of the objection from
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Democrats about reopening Alcatraz is it's just not economically viable.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: It's two kilometers off the coast of San Francisco, so
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: it would cost three times as much as any other
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: prison because you've got to get everything there by vote.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It's just not economically feasible. But in that conversation, now
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: you've got the given that yes, we do have to
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: do something about violent criminals.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: He did the same with Gaza.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Remember he proposed taking over Gaza and turning it into
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: a beach paradise, and then the conversation became about, well,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: where will Palestinians go, which are Arab countries will actually
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: take them?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So I think he's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Not serious about it, but he's got a conversation going
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: about the fact that they do need to do something
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: with dangerous criminals. Okay, if not Alcatraz, what's the suggestion
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: we've got to do something about it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the suggestion from the Dems in the
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: US has been pretty clear over the last couple of
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: weeks that they should be just allowed to roam free
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: in the United States. And you know, I've been talking
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: about this bloke from MS thirteen that they sent back
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: to El Salvador. His name slips me at the moment,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: but you know he's a violent gangster, and the Dems
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: have all been running around saying, oh, he didn't get
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: due process when he was deported, and he must be
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: released from prison in El Salvador and brought back to
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: the United States. I mean, they've played their cards pretty clearly.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think they have much desire to do anything
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: with violent criminals. But the idea that you would reopen Alcatraz.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Is just ridiculous.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I think Trump needs to lay off the brain farts
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: this week. Yesterday we had the he was going to
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: put one hundred percent tariff on films and television shows
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: made overseas.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: We've saw absolutely no.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Detail on how that would work, how you would do it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Now he's saying he's going to have a meeting with
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the film industry and then he'll come back to us
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: with how this might work. But the film industry is
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: going to say mate, Even the US film industry will say, please,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: don't do this, because of course the US film industry
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: may will make films overseas, but all of the money
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: that they make on those films then flows back into
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: companies in the US. That this ending on staff who
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: work in the US. So it will actually hurt people
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: in the US if he does that. And how do
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: you even put a tariff on a film anyway? And
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: now he wants to reopen a prison that hasn't been
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: opened since nineteen.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Sixty three and is a tourist attraction.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, for heaven's sake, look, if he wants to
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: talk about films, and he wants to talk about Alcatraz.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: If he's going to reopen the thing, he should get
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Clint Eastwood to go back there.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: No one has ever escaped from no one ever will
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: see you lead.
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: A man.
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: World.
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: In nineteen sixty two, that statement was no longer valid.
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: Clyt Eastwood, he is Frank Morris in Escape from Alcatraz.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, how good is that?
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: That's what they're going to do, And there'll be one
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: hundred percent tariff if they do so as well? I reckon.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's where Trump got the idea from him was
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: considering the movie Tariff, and then thought, there's an idea.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what Trump has done, which makes a
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: lot of sense and is getting great support around the world,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: is he's put a ban on gain of function research
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: in countries that lack sufficient oversights, such as China and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: of course Iran. Now we all know what gain of
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: function research did to the world. Just in the last
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: couple of years. The COVID nineteen virus resulted in about
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: twenty million deaths, trillions of dollars worth of economic damage,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and has pretty much hobbled a generation who will never
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: be the same because of all the opportunities they missed
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: out on. So Trump has said gain of function research
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: will be funded, it'll be banned in countries like as
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I said China and Iran his rfk Jr. Talking about
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the fact that gain of function research has never never
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: demonstrated any real benefits despite so many scientists Anthony Fauci
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: included demanding that they have the right to do it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: It's a kind of weapon that's always has blowback. There
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: is always bad and it was the justification for this
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: kind of weaponry was and these kind of research was
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: always that we have to do this, develop vaccines to
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: counter a future pandemic. In all of the history of
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: BioWare of gainer function research, we have a point of
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: a single good thing that's come from it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Gain of function research has always struck me this to
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: be an issue of benefit versus risk, and I think
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: we're all pretty convinced these days the risk just is
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: not worth it. Just because science can do something doesn't
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: mean they should. And this is a good called by
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the Trump administry.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I think is something that should just be banned outright,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Like you say, we've seen the damage that can come
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: of it. They also reckon that it caused the nineteen
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: seventy seven Russian flu if you want to look that up,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: my goodness. But this is research that involves modifying a
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: virus to make it more infectious among humans, to make
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: it more deadly. Basically, like, why would you want to
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: do that in the first place? RFK just surmise that, oh, well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: we do it so that they can research how to
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: come up with vaccines for things that don't even exist yet. Okay,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: so why would you even bother doing that? As far
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, because a lot of the militaries around
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: the world are involved in this.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: In this kind of research, gain of function is a very,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: very gray area.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: But I think when it comes because it's an arms
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: race of a kind, it's like nuclear weapons, it's like, well,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: I don't want to not have it. If you're having it,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: and you're having it, and you guys are my enemies,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: then I want to be doing gain a function research
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: as well, so then we all share this thing that
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: we know it was downright evil, but hey, we can't
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: not have it if our enemies do have it. So
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: it's more of an arms race than anything else, and
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: that's obviously not something that RFK is going to start
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: talking about but I wish everyone would just outlaw it
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: and get rid of it altogether, because what he just
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: said in a nutshell right there is very true. No
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: good has ever come of it. And while it is
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: a very gray area when it comes to morality, when
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: it comes to moral it's completely black and white. It
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: should just be off the table.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: And of course, you know there's never going to be
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: a worldwide ban on it. And the argument is, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: understand the argument that if everyone else is doing it,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: we need to be doing it as well, because of
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: course they could be developing some sort of bioweapon, an
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: illness that they check out in a time of war
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: and hope that it knocks out lots of people. The
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: only problem with that is that unlike developing a nuclear
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: bomb or whatever, which you can set off in one
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: place and it sort of just does damage in what
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: kills a lot of people, but it only does it
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: in one location. Inevitably, if you release a disease, it
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: will affect people all over the world. I mean, that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: how disease is spread. I mean, look at COVID, for
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: heaven's ake, started in a lab in Wuhan, and it
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: left China pretty quickly and then took over the rest
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: of the world. So unless you've done your gain of
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: function research to create an illness that will go out
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and ravage your enemy, and you've also simultaneously in the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: background developed the vaccine that you have surreptitiously given to
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: all of the people in your country to make sure
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: they don't get it as well, I mean, it's mutually
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: assured destruction.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: So I don't think there's.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Any real argument that we should continue to play around
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: with it, because you know, we.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Got off relatively scott free.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: With COVID, and I don't mean all the things that
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: governments did to us in those times, but in terms
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: of the illness, of course, if you were over the
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: age of eighty, was deleterious to your life, but for
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: most people under the age of eighty, it wasn't that bad.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: But you know, they could release something accidentally or otherwise
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: that could wipe out vast sways of the planet. I
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: don't think we should be playing around with that. Of course,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: one of the other existential threats we're facing in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: world is AI And we talked last night about this
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: robot that was being built in China and went totally
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: tropo and started attacking one of the blokes who was
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: coding it, and you can see the vision here. Again,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: this is a bit of a window into what these
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: AI robots may well do in the future if they
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: develop enough intelligence to realize that the people who put
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: them together are a bunch of dials.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Well, it's going one step further. Now.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: We now have driverless trucks, properly driverless trucks, because they've
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: been trialing this technology for quite some time now, but
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: they usually have someone on board, you know, in case
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: something goes wrong. And there are driverless taxis sort of
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: have been getting around in the US for a while,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: but again there is a.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Human being on board of.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Course because it's a taxi, so they could step in
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and do something if anything goes wrong. But in the
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: US now in Houston, they have put for the first
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: time an entirely driverless truck on the road.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Take a look at this heads.
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: Up, Texas drivers, something new.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Is hitting I.
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: Forty five autonomous semi trucks with no humans behind the
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: wheel are set to begin commercial trips between Dallas and Houston.
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: Aurora Innovation is leading the charge, launching its first fully
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: driverless truck on this two hundred mile freight route. This
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: marks a big milestone for the trucking industry, which is
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: facing driver shortages and rising costs. But not everyone's on board.
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: Critics worry about safety, job losses, and the lack of
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: federal regulation. For now, it's just one truck, but soon
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: you could be sharing the road with a whole fleet.
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: Welcome to the future of freight.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Now, of course, we have a few problems here. One is, well,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: what if the trucks one day decide to do what
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: that robot did that we showed you last night and
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: use or again before. I mean, you know, something's powering
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: these things. It's got a computer inside of it that
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: has to decide what route to take and when to
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: change lanes, and to look.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Out for other vehicles, et cetera.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: What if one of these trucks just decides, will bugger it,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go hellful weather and take out everything
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: in front of me. A bit of foul play could
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: certainly do that. And I mean we talk about the
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: danger of bio weapons and gain of function research.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: These things in order to do.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: What they do have to be connected to a network
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: somewhere imagine a foreign power hacking into a network that
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: has control of a fleet of driverless trucks or driverless
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: cars and then programming them to go out and run
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: people over. This is a very real thing that could happen.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: And of course the other thing we have to consider
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: is how many people get put out of work because
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: of this stuff. And I know people will say, well,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: you know, people have always been put out of work
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: when technology advances. Of course, one day they invented the
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: stump jump plow, and then they invented proper machinery, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: you know, in factory is now lots of things are
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: done by robots as opposed to actual people. And all
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: of that is true, But we are reaching a critical
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: saturation point now where we're not just talking about robots
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: and machinery that are operated by other people. We're talking
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: about pieces of machinery that can essentially just do the
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: whole job for themselves. They barely need another person to
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: touch them ever in their lives.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So once we've got all of these.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Things going and AI takes everyone's jobs away, lawyers, whatever else,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: robots are driving the trucks and all this sort of stuff,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: who's going to have the money to spend on the
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: products that AI is trying to sell us. Surely we
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: reach a point where the economy just falls over because
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: no one's employed anymore and no one can afford to
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: pay for these AI products.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Question a couple of nights ago, though maybe a couple
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago. So you were going home on the
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Metro here in Sydney, correct driverless train which is a
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: driverless train.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Did you have a problem with that?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: What did the train have a problem or do they
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: have a problem being on the drivers?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Do you have a problem with driverless trains?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't necessarily have a problem with the driverless train,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: but the union is organized, so there's someone on board.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: They have and the unions in California have organized that
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: trucks if they are to be allowed, they want a
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: train driver to be on board just in case.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So there's that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: But my point is you don't have any drama at
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: all with driverless trains.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Here in Sydney.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: The Metro operates beautifully, but it's there's a little malfunction. Yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a door was left open the other day and that
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of course made news headlines.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But this is just the way of the future.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: You get drivers who are distracted or impaired or tired.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: There's truck accidents on a regular basis around the country,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: especially in Australia where you've got long haul routes.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: The United States would be similar.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: If you've got self driving trucks, you cut out all
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: of those issues.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It lowers the cost and invite a whole pilot well, of.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Course, because nothing is perfect, but it's a pretty good
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: cost saver as well. It's going to lower the cost
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: of goods because your labor costs are so much lower.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: The only issue is what do you do with the
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: people who are now out of work? But every technology
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: means that people are left without work. That's been the
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: story of the industrial revelu Now, I just.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Think, what's when you look at what it is going
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: to cost humanity at large. I mean, I don't know
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: what it is in America because it would be way
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: bigger than it is here. But we've got two hundred
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: thousand truckers here in Australia. The industry employs about two
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: hundred and sixty thousand people all in all, mainly men.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Average asiers is forty three years. Those are men who
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: are putting food on the table. Those are men who
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: are paying for a roof over their families' heads. That's
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: thousands and thousands of families that would be affected by
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: something like this. In America, it would be far huge
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: or goodness knows how many truckers are in that joint
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: ginormous country. I just don't think it's worth it whatsoever
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: to put that many people out of work who've probably
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: done it their whole lives and would not have foreseen
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: suddenly having that ripped away from them. For these for
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: these driverless trucks, how is it going to be that
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: much cheaper. It's going to cost the companies through the
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: nose to afford the trucks.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: And sure, maybe they'll run t companies.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Do if they didn't get an economics saving.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, oh we know that they will. But I'm
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: talking about the human cost, and I don't think it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: worth it, and I don't think that these corporate companies
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: care whatsoever.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: But with the.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Introduction of AI across countless sectors now, it's as if
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: no one's looking to the future and saying this is
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: actually not taking us humanity? Who ought to be priority
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: number one? Why does that even have to be said?
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Who it's not taking us in a good direction whatsoever.
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break on that note.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: including Tim Wilson becomes the first Liberal to take back
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: ATel held seat.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a bit more the moment.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: start with Queensland's Career Mail. I've got a couple of
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: great stories on the front page. The main headline, of course,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: cops in mental health plea Queensland police tell Bondai inquest
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: laws must change. Queensland police officers have used the inquest
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: into the Bondai massacre to call for changes to what
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: they call confusing laws that dictate when they can and
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: when they cannot legally detain a person for a mental
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: health assessment. An Inspector of Police said current Queensland laws
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: were too restrictive as they only allowed for police to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: detain someone if at immediate risk of self harm.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Now. The inquest heard how just a little more than
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a year.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Before Joel Couci stabbed to death six people at Bondai
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Junction in twenty twenty four, Joel Kuchi himself called police
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: to his home because his father had taken away his
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: military grade knives, and so he complained to police that
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: his dad had stolen his knives. A couple of young
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: police officers attended the home and they noted that Couchi
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: seemed quite irritated, but not enough that they really felt
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: they could do anything. And besides, as I read, the
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: law states, they can't detain somebody on mental health grounds
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: unless they're at risk of self harm, and that wasn't
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: the case now since we've found out in the inquest
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Liz that Couchi was obsessed with weapons. He was searching
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: serial killers online. But there's confusion even if the police
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: knew that whether or not they would be able to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: detain him, because the law is so narrow. So this
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: may well be a recommendation. I suspect that it will
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: come out of this inquiry that police need broader powers
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: when dealing with mental health patients.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Well, it still doesn't let the New South Wales cops
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: off the hook, because we've also heard in the inquest
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: that they had been no defied on more than one
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: occasion that this guy was off his meds, that he
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: was a risk, et cetera, and so on, and he
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: still managed and fall through the crack. I mean, good
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: on the Queensland Police to jump on this, to try
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: and get the laws changed so it doesn't happen again
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: at that end. But here in New South Wales something
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: else needs to change, and I suspect it's going to
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: be a lot more than one stroke of the pen
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: in terms.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Of one law.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: They clearly need more needs to happen, Caleb, in order
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: to ensure that can never happen again.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: We're just far too cautious when it comes to mental health, clearly,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: and you know, we just sort of give everyone the
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt. I mean, once upon a time
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: we had insane asylums and at some point we said, oh, well,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: that's not humane to have people locked up in there
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: often because they were a danger to themselves and the
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: rest of the community. So we just sort of let
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: people wander around now and they cause dangers to themselves
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: and other people. But the law in Couransland says you
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: can only be locked up if you're a danger to yourself,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: which is exactly and I think of this case a
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: few years ago in Adelaide, where a bloke was detained.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: He was taken to hospital by the police. He was
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: put in there for a week or two and at
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: the end of the order the police, sorry, the hospital
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: did not notify the police that he was being released,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: so he was released into the community. He walked out
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: of hospital, got on a bus or something, went down
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: to a real estate agency, walked in the front door
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: and killed someone.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Right so the left hand doesn't know what.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: The right hand is doing. And every now and again
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: we see the real life consequences of that, and in
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: this case it was death.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Well that's a tragic story, but there is a good
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: news story on the front page of tomorrow's career mail,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Green's Dream dead. As count closers, the Greens are staring
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: down the prospect of losing all four of their lower
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: House seats, with party leader Adam Bant last night behind
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: in the count in his seat of Melbourne and Labour
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: not out of the race in the Brisbane in a
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: West electorate of Ryan Redbridge Group director says research has
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: found that most Australians now see the Greens as contributing
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: to quote trauma in the community over the Gars at
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Israel War and by progressives as in the business of
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: tearing down labor governments, aiding and a betting the coalition.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: So that's a good news story, Liz Green.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: It is which brings it to more good news on
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: the front of the Australian Teal MP's going postal. After
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Wilson strikes Goldstein and Hamous surges in Coujong. Tim Wilson
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: has become the first Liberal to turn back the Teal tide,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: surging to the lead in Goldstein and defying the national
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: election trend to give his devastated party hope of a
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: future in inner suburban Melbourne, with mister Wilson on the
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: brink of victory over Zoey Daniel colleague emrelya Hayman X
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: door in Coujong is also whittling away to l MP
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Monique Ryan's margin, raising the prospect of two Liberal claiming
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: back once blue ribbon territory. So your prayers tonight, ladies
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: and gentlemen. I mean it was a great win to
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: see that in Goldstein today.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Tim Wilson, he's back.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: He's one of the original freedom fighters. God blease him.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: I just I love that footage that's been shown all night.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: You know, Paul had it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: And Sharry had it and whatever of Zoey Buddy dancing around,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: you know you can't bring me down celebrating when she
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: thought she'd won on Saturday Night. Reality hits you fast,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: doesn't it. I mean, and we should note this doesn't
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: mean the Teals are over, because of course they've got
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: nearly a dozen other seats around the country that they're
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: not at risk of losing. But any news that they
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: can get a few seats back in Melbourne, I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: is a good thing.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Hear hear to the second headline on the OHS Liberals
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: revolt over policy failures.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: I think this post mortem is going to be lengthy.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: A raft of liberal policy's across environment, health, defense, tax
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: and education were either not released or held back so
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: long that they barely saw the light of day, Insiders
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: has revealed as Susan Leigh emerges as the pragmatic front
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: runner over Angus Taylor in the race to be the
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: next leader. Coalition insiders said policies on worked on for
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: years that would have laid out how the opposition would
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: have approval times for environmental projects and address the defense
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: forces personal crisis personnel.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: I should say personal.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: Crisis were spiked by Peter Dutton's office and Liberal HQ,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: while proposals in portfolios such as education were held up
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: for months until it was almost too late to sprout
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: them to voters. Well, this answers a few of the
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: questions that we asked ad nauseum and the lead up
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: to the election.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: One of the main ones being why.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Did you release this policy fill in the blank with
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: whatever policy?
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: It was so late.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Now we learn they had some solid stuff that never
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: even saw the light of day. And even the insiders
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: to the ones that did get announced, they were like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: oh my gosh, that barely got up.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: It's been like pulling tea.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the defense policy was released at the
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: last moment. And the article goes on to explain that
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Defense spokesperson Andrew Hasty, who of course has dropped out
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: of the leadership race but was very highly rated within
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the party, was completely shut out of any policy development
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: in his own portfolio.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: It just sounds like they had absolutely no idea what
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: they were doing. Of course, Holly Hughes said last night
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: she put forward at least seven fully costed policies and
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: then no one ever sort of got back to her
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: about whether they do it or not.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: What I mean, for goodness sake, if you want to
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: win an.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Election, you need to have some vision, and it sounds
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: like there were people who tried to drive some vision
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: but they just couldn't see it. As the case may be.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: On the front of the Cans Post tomorrow it says
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: it's testing times. The opposition says Cans should be home
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: to a fetal alcohol spectrum disorder testing facility after the
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: region was named the worst for youth crime in Queensland
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: late last year. But the same government's hit back saying
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: the previous government ignored youth crime for a decade, which is.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Probably a fair point. But what they are talking about.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Here is that the issue of faz D, which is
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: of course you know, mum's been on the grog while
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: the kid was in the womb, could be causing brain
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: injuries that are then causing these kids to have lack
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: of impulse control or whatever that is causing them to
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: go out and commit crimes. It's probably not a bad
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: point that ought to be looked into.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure why the Liberal state government would hit
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: back at that idea and get defensive over it, and
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: it makes I.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Mean, it's a fair point that the labor government didn't
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: do much about it, sure, but I mean they've raised
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: it now.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: It's worth talking about as.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Good suggestion no matter where it comes from. Let's go
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: to a break. When we come back at the albanesi'st
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: phone call with his Indonesian counterpartner, made Public will play
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: some of that in just a moment. Well, there's a
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: big fashion event in New York over the weekend. Who
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: better to talk about fashion than our own Caleb Bond.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Indeed, the weirdos and wackos they come out every year
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: in the US. You can see some of them here
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: for the met Gala. It's actually probably wasn't as bad
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: this year as it has been in some years. I mean, look,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: it's a suit. Oh my god, it's a tux sed Okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: oh Sydney Sweeney be still my beating art. But look
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: at that Anthony Pratt there, he takes the cake for me.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: And if I don't know, I think we might have
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: an image we can show you as well after this
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: this footage. Year Anthony Pratt rocked up, of course from visy.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: He rocked up in a suit fully done up there
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: with the recycling symbols on it. As far as I'm
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: concerned that takes the cake because if you look at
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: some of the other stuff they had the Andre three
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: thousand over the Elles.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: He's a rapper apparently. I mean, I don't know.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: It looks like he's off to Soviet Russia or something.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Janelle Money, I'm not really sure what's going on there.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Dojah Cat she's a singer. She actually looks half decent.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Whoopy Goldberg, well you know she's Whoopy Goldberg. She looks
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: like she's rocked up as the Fat Controller or something.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: And Sydney Sweeney you saw her before, but I'm going
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: to show her again because she looks good. But the
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: only problem is it was called the theme was super
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: fine tailoring Black style.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: That being black people. Isn't that cultural appropriation?
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: Oh it's always that is tricky.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It's always racial with the Hollywood elite.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi is a big fan of quiet diplomacy, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: now we know why have listened to his diplomatic skills.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: When talking to the Indonesian president just after his Saturday
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: election victory.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: On your great victory, I was so happy.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I was so happy.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: I was so happy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: I have a request for you, Yes, go ahead and
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: I want you is done here?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: I want you to be my first visit.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Great honor, great honor.
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: I haven't had any fleet.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But now we know why Elbow hasn't been able to
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: remove Trump's tariffs, because he rang Trump and said I've
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: got a request and I want you to say yes,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: and it didn't go well.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: What was that with the maniacal laugh? I've got a request?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Did I want you to say yes? What was that
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: all about?
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, goodness, we know how Albo just invites himself.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: I'm going to ask. I'm coming over to your place.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: That's always got time for tonight stick Around. Coming up
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: is the Reader Penny Show.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Good Night