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Speaker 1: This is the report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, a truly shocking poll for the Liberals and for
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Speaker 2: labor as well. How much trouble are they in? And
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Speaker 2: the pothole that proves labor has ruined Victoria causing more
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Speaker 2: than thirty burst tires just this morning on one road.
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Speaker 2: Plus one of history's most astonishing frauds as quittest professor
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Speaker 2: at Cambridge University, and astonishing audio of race bating Senator
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Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe triggering a complaint to Parliament. But first, we've
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Speaker 2: learned today that no, the Prime Minister has not got
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Speaker 2: away with this unbelievably sexist mockery of Japan's Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: And now Anthony Albanezi is lying about it one of
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Speaker 2: his ministers as well, which I'm about to prove now.
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Speaker 2: As you know, I said from the start that the
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Speaker 2: media was missing the real scandal about Albany's this disastrously
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Speaker 2: flirty interview last month with comedian Nikki Osborne. All the
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Speaker 2: headlines were maybe it's natural about this particularly boorish bit
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Speaker 2: of it.
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Speaker 3: Every guest gets asked these shag Mary Date, Kylie Minou,
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Speaker 3: Nicole Kibman or Ronda birchmore.
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Speaker 4: I've just got married on only six months in.
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Speaker 3: But if a ghost tips up, let's just pretend oh
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Speaker 3: Kylie clearly in Mary Kylie and Shagger and data all
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Speaker 3: of the above.
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Speaker 2: I still failed to comprehend how that could have happened.
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Speaker 2: I mean, which prime minister would ever have said something
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Speaker 2: so demeaning of the office and such an insult to
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Speaker 2: his own wife. But as I said from the start,
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Speaker 2: and I said it again last week, for Australians, for
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Speaker 2: our nation, the real scandal was what Albany's he went
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Speaker 2: on to say, and that same ridiculous interview about Japan's
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Speaker 2: prime minister, and boy has that bitten him today in
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Speaker 2: the backside. Now let me outline it again what he said,
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Speaker 2: because it really is hard to comprehend without seeing it
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Speaker 2: that Australian prime minister could actually act like.
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Speaker 1: Like such a sexist.
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Speaker 2: Last May, Japan's Prime Minister Sane Takeichi came to Australia
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Speaker 2: and gave Albanizi the gift of a crown melon. Now
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Speaker 2: that's a melon that's so prized that it's presented in
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Speaker 2: ceremonies in Japan, presented.
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Speaker 1: Even to the Emperor.
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Speaker 2: But Albanizi then turned the ceremonial present into a dirty
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Speaker 2: joke to impress a pretty young blogger Nikki Osborne.
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Speaker 4: The Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon.
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Speaker 5: Did you smuggle it?
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I've got a couple of melons. She brought two
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Speaker 4: she brought too, as you do.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Today, Japan's former ambassador to Australia, Shingo Yo Yamagami, who
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Speaker 2: has been an informal advisor to Prime Minister Takeishi, blasted
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Speaker 2: albanize for being so crass and offensive, writing first that
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Speaker 2: it is appalling to note Albanese's ignorance about what this
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Speaker 2: gift means, although Albanizi recalled it as quite strange. A
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Speaker 2: crown melon is the most prized fruit in Japan and
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Speaker 2: treasured is something special.
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Speaker 1: And then the former.
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Speaker 2: Ambassador attacked Albanesi's sexism, saying Takeichi had put up with
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Speaker 2: a lot of sexist a tax before, but the last
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Speaker 2: thing she expected was to be so casually mocked by
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Speaker 2: the trusted leader of Japan's special strategic partner. And he
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Speaker 2: went on, Prime Minister, please enjoy Japan's sweet and juicy
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Speaker 2: melons without thinking about a woman's anatomy, and it's said,
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Speaker 2: focus on what our two countries must do together.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: This savage criticism follows a Japan Times article I talked
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Speaker 2: about last week by a journalist Wacha Ikeda, saying a
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Speaker 2: woman may run the world's fourth largest economy, stare down
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Speaker 2: Beijing's threats, and still be reduced by an allied prime
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Speaker 2: minister to two melons on a podcast.
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Speaker 1: The joke was.
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Speaker 2: Beneath him and beneath Australia. Well the attack from the
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Speaker 2: ambassador today. The former ambassador's finally forced the Albanzi government
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Speaker 2: to respond to what Albanizi did two months ago in
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Speaker 2: two ways. First by laying Albernesei's spokesman her self a
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Speaker 2: woman had the hide to claim that no, Albanize had
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Speaker 2: not turned Japan's prime minister into a sexist joke, saying
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Speaker 2: this assertion is wrong. The Social Services Minister Tenua Pleivusy,
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Speaker 2: I suppose feminists repeated that lie this morning.
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Speaker 7: I completely disagree with that interpretation of what the Prime
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Speaker 7: minister was saying. I completely disagree. Japan is a very
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Speaker 7: important strategic and economic partner. It was a very successful visit,
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Speaker 7: and I think the former ambassador is wrong in his interpretation.
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Speaker 2: How stupid, do Albanzi and Plebasik think you are now?
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Speaker 2: Of course, Albanizi was referring to Takeishi's breasts. A statement
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Speaker 2: from the Japanese Prime Minister's office at the time when
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Speaker 2: she gave the gift said, yes, Takichi gave him just
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Speaker 2: one crown melon, although other reports seem to differ, but
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Speaker 2: they refer to one crown melon. But Albanizi seems to
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Speaker 2: have turned that one melon into two to make a
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Speaker 2: better joke about two breasts. Even jiggled his hands over
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Speaker 2: his chest after Osborne referred to big breasted actress Padela
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Speaker 2: Anderson and leered back like a prime minister of Benny Hill.
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Speaker 4: The Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon, got a couple
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Speaker 4: of melons, got a couple of melons. He brought to
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Speaker 4: af you.
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Speaker 2: Do so why the lowes? Why are labour supposed feminists?
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Speaker 2: By the way, who's been so quick to smear the
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Speaker 2: liberals of sexists? Now covering up for a real sexist
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Speaker 2: in the lodge? But albaniz He also responded today this
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Speaker 2: is interesting by releasing a diplomatic cable sent to him
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Speaker 2: four weeks ago by the Japanese government noting what it
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Speaker 2: called sensationalized reporting of the incident and saying Japan did
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Speaker 2: not think there was ill intention to Albanese's joke and
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Speaker 2: it would take no action.
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Speaker 1: That's right of the classy.
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Speaker 2: I think it even said that albaneze Hauld liked to
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Speaker 2: melon so much that Japan had given him two more.
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Speaker 2: But the point is Japan had to assure our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister it would not punish Australia for his stupid joke.
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Speaker 2: Now that in itself is so embarrassing that Albinizi only
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Speaker 2: released that assurance now today, four weeks later, to minimize
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Speaker 2: the damage done by the former ambassador's attack. Today and
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Speaker 2: finally the opposition sees this for the scandal it is,
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Speaker 2: and today was making noise.
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Speaker 8: Comments were beneath the office of Prime Minister. They were
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Speaker 8: insulting and the Prime Minister should make a personal apology.
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Speaker 8: He's done it through a statement. I mean the hypocrisy
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Speaker 8: of labor and the Prime Minister on this topic knows
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Speaker 8: no bounced.
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Speaker 9: I think that those comments have been roundly condemned them
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Speaker 9: and they were grubby, they were inappropriate and if you're
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Speaker 9: a friend a woman, you should apologize to that woman.
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Speaker 9: You should apologize personally, not in a statement. I think
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Speaker 9: that the Prime Minister owes the Prime Minister of Japan
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Speaker 9: a personal apology.
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Speaker 2: But I come back to the thing that's stunned me
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Speaker 2: from the start. Now, how could we have a prime
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Speaker 2: minister who can be so crass and crude and sexist?
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Speaker 2: Was it the whiskey he was drinking during the interview?
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Speaker 2: Was it because of the young woman he was trying
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Speaker 2: to impress? Why the sexism? And now why the lies?
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Speaker 2: And what will the government now do to fix the damage?
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Speaker 2: Joining me is the country's top foreign affairs right to
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan of The Australian, Greg, always good to talk
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Speaker 2: to you. Now, Albinizy's melon's joke and now the Japanese reaction,
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Speaker 2: How serious is this?
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Speaker 10: Look Andrew, I think this is disgraceful by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 10: I kind of tried to avoid watching this. I just
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Speaker 10: thought it was kind of pathetic and ridiculous, and I
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Speaker 10: thought the Prime Minister was more innocent than he was.
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Speaker 10: But he nominated the Japanese prime minister, he nominated the
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Speaker 10: gift of the melon, and then he referred to the
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Speaker 10: two melons and made those ridiculous gestures in front of
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Speaker 10: his chest. Now, two things strike me about it. First
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Speaker 10: of all, contemptible behavior, which the Labor Party would condemn
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Speaker 10: in a with a core nuclear meltdown if any coalition
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Speaker 10: politician did it. And secondly, but Albanezi ever speak this
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Speaker 10: way about Chi Jinping. I mean, you've got to look
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Speaker 10: that the Prime Minister is not only a fool. I
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Speaker 10: say that regretfully, because you know, I've hitherto thought him
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Speaker 10: a decent person, but he's also a coward. I mean,
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Speaker 10: he wouldn't speak about the Chinese president this way. Indeed,
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Speaker 10: he wouldn't speak about Donald Trump this way. And no
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Speaker 10: country could be much more important to us than Japan.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's just kind of unbelievable. I kind of
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Speaker 10: haven't commented on it before because I was sort of
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Speaker 10: trying to practice a kind of psychic denial. I think, yeah, well,
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Speaker 10: it's also covers us in a collective shame. Of course,
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Speaker 10: there may also be that Greg talking about unbelievable story. Greg,
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Speaker 10: we seem way behind in drone warfare. Now, you and
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Speaker 10: I have talked about this so often.
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Speaker 1: We've seen.
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Speaker 2: Right years behind, particularly when you see what drones have
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Speaker 2: done in the war in Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph.
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Speaker 2: Now reports that multiple drones were recorded flying and restricted
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Speaker 2: airspace above our top RW fighter base that Williamtown in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales behind between July eleven to thirteen. Now
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Speaker 2: we don't know whose drones they were, but we do
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Speaker 2: know that the base didn't or couldn't intercept them with
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Speaker 2: anti drone weaponry, and that commanders at the base we've
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Speaker 2: told us that to ensure window blinds are closed to
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Speaker 2: pretend security. I mean, Greg, my mind is boggling at
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Speaker 2: this incredibly slacked defense.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, this government is a complete disgrace on defense.
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Speaker 10: The only good news we've had on defense in recent
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Speaker 10: years is that the Americans are going to put two
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Speaker 10: thousand personnel in Perth and have three or four submarines
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Speaker 10: there at a time. I trust the US Navy infinitely
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Speaker 10: more than I trust Anthony Albernese's government with our national security.
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Speaker 10: But in every other dimension of defense, this government is
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Speaker 10: a complete failure.
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Speaker 1: We have no.
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Speaker 10: Missile defenses of any consequence. Despite all the talk, we
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Speaker 10: are not making maritime missiles which we can use to
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Speaker 10: keep an enemy at bay. We have no drone defense
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Speaker 10: at our military basis. We're completely unprepared for anything. We
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Speaker 10: have no d mining capability, we have no capability to
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Speaker 10: repair undersea cables should they get cut. I mean, this
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Speaker 10: government frankly is a joke on defense. The only thing
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Speaker 10: it does is pursue the August submarines without increasing our
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Speaker 10: defense spend because that can look as though it's doing
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Speaker 10: something on defense, and it keeps the American suite, keeping
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Speaker 10: the American sweep. That's very smart. That's the only good
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Speaker 10: thing ALBERESI government does in defense. But our defenseless air bases.
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Speaker 10: They are susceptible to drones, they are susceptible to missiles.
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Speaker 10: They're completely defenseless. And all of our puny little lair
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Speaker 10: fleet is laid out in regulation, you know, waiting to
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Speaker 10: be bombed by enemy, any enemy, on the first day
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Speaker 10: of conflict. This government just doesn't take defense seriously. It
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Speaker 10: ought to be a major national scandal.
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Speaker 2: Well maybe they think the cheaper option is just to
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Speaker 2: issue good blinds to the windows of the of the
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Speaker 2: military bases. I mean, it's just beyond a joke. But
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Speaker 2: talk about slack, greg and equally naive. I have to
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Speaker 2: say Britain's Navy has had to disconnect its cameras on
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Speaker 2: its naval spine drones after learning they were sending signals
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Speaker 2: right back to their manufacturers in China, which told no
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Speaker 2: sensitive information was sent, just their messages to prove the
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Speaker 2: cameras there were working.
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Speaker 1: But what does that tell you.
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Speaker 10: Well, Britain has been very weak on China. It got
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Speaker 10: a little bit better under Boris Johnson and Rishie Sunak
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Speaker 10: kept that up, but Britain has been very slow to
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Speaker 10: come to grips with China. And that's because, you know,
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Speaker 10: the strategic imperative for Britain and a million times more
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Speaker 10: for Australia contradicts the commercial imperative. You get the cheapest
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Speaker 10: spy drones from China. So if you're being a skin
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Speaker 10: flint about your defense budget, you'll buy Chinese equipment. But
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Speaker 10: I'll guess what. The Chinese have put computer back doors
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Speaker 10: into it so that they can operate it for you
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Speaker 10: in times of warfare. It's going to send signals back
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Speaker 10: to them. They're going to get all the information. Now,
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Speaker 10: we've done this kind of thing a thousand times over.
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Speaker 10: But if anything, the Brits have been even a bit
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Speaker 10: worse than us. And because Trump has been so ort
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Speaker 10: of erratic and everything. Although he has good instincts on China,
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Speaker 10: he hasn't led a proper coordinated allied response, either in
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Speaker 10: technology or geo strategically. But we are full of Chinese
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Speaker 10: equipment ourselves, and all of it has back doors which
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Speaker 10: the Chinese could use in the event of a crisis.
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Speaker 1: It just really stagers me. Greg.
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Speaker 2: But you mentioned Donald Trump and the erratic behavior. For
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Speaker 2: fear of offending the Trump supporters who watched this show,
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Speaker 2: I have to say he does good stuff, but he
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Speaker 2: also does some very bad stuff. Trump said he could
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Speaker 2: end the war in Ukraine in one day. He got nowhere.
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Speaker 2: He reckoned he could end the war with Iran in
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Speaker 2: four or five weeks. That was five months ago. And
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Speaker 2: Trump said it fhonalized a piece there with a masteris
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Speaker 2: in Gaza to lay down their arms in stages in
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Speaker 2: exchange for an Israeli withdrawal. Yesterday, Israel's Prime Minister rejected
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Speaker 2: that deal in Israel would not withdraw from Gaza until
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Speaker 2: Hamas had given up all its weapons.
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Speaker 11: Here is Israel rejects the fifteen point plan. I heard
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Speaker 11: that there were those who said you didn't say it,
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Speaker 11: but we did say it. And here I am saying
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Speaker 11: it again. The IDF will not carry out any withdrawal
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Speaker 11: until the dismantling Homas and its weapons. And when I
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Speaker 11: say dismantling Homas and its weapons, that means heavy weaponry,
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Speaker 11: less heavy weaponry and smaller arms.
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Speaker 2: Now, Greg I mentioned this because a lot of people
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Speaker 2: are going to blame Israel for there they go the
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Speaker 2: warm und in Israelis. You know, they're blocking another piece steel.
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Speaker 2: But I blame Donald Trump for being a completely totally
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Speaker 2: unreliable ally who can't be relied upon to enforce this
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Speaker 2: peace steal. If Israel pulls out and then finds, oh
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Speaker 2: guess what, Greg Hamas actually lied and didn't disarm as
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Speaker 2: it promised, what do you make of this?
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Speaker 10: Well, I think that's I think you're right, Andrew. I
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Speaker 10: have some criticisms of Benjamin Attna, who I've interviewed him
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Speaker 10: more often than any Australian journalist, and he's done some
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Speaker 10: wonderful things for Israel, but I have some criticisms of
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Speaker 10: his policies in recent years. However, it is absurd to
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Speaker 10: expect the Israelis to go back to the pre terror
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Speaker 10: attack borders on the basis of Hummas promising to disarm
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Speaker 10: and put some of their weapons in the hands of
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Speaker 10: Aestinian technocratic committee. Now Hummas is responsible for the suffering
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Speaker 10: of the Palestinian people.
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Speaker 1: It engaged in.
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Speaker 10: Its sadistic, sexualized torture and murder of Israelis in order
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Speaker 10: to provoke a big Israeli response and get the world
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Speaker 10: against Israel at the expense of Palestinian lives and Palestinian welfare. Now,
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Speaker 10: I don't know that Israel has handled this perfectly well,
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Speaker 10: but you cannot possibly expect Israel to simply go back
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Speaker 10: and wait to be attacked again on the basis that
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Speaker 10: Hamas is just going to promise it's some future date
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Speaker 10: to disarm.
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Speaker 1: And I'm very worried.
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Speaker 10: About the future because when Trump is gone, whoever is
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Speaker 10: the next president, I think, will put Israel under enormous
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Speaker 10: pressure to withdraw again from Gaza. And I mean, how
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Speaker 10: realistic is it. You can't, You've got to address the
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Speaker 10: humanitarian problem in Gaza. But how realistic is it to
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Speaker 10: expect Israel just to go back to the borders they
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Speaker 10: were attacked on and wait for the next attack.
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Speaker 1: It's not helping them.
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Speaker 10: Trump is not helped you.
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: Grig Sharon, thank you so much for your time after
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Speaker 2: the break of the panel and a truly shocking poll
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Speaker 2: for both Labor and the Liberals. Anthony, I be an
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Speaker 2: easy return from a week off and welcome back, got
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Speaker 2: smacked straight away with another brutal poll. Today's News poll
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Speaker 2: shows one Nation still level in support with Labor, whose
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Speaker 2: banking is now down to levels last seen in the
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Speaker 2: daying days of the Gillard government nine percent, with a
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Speaker 2: coalition way behind on a disastrous eighteen percent now. Albertiez's
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Speaker 2: response today was a bunch of slogans, mostly to suggest
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Speaker 2: that criticizing Labour's mismanagement of the country was somehow anti Australian.
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Speaker 2: But I just did wonder did Ai write his slogans.
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Speaker 12: We continue to advance our positive agenda as we go forward.
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Speaker 12: In a contrasts with the opposition across the board, the
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Speaker 12: three parties, the Liberals, the Nationals and one Nation who
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Speaker 12: continue to look for grievance and look for opposition. We
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Speaker 12: choose a different road. We choose progress over protest. We
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Speaker 12: choose purpose over chaos. We choose unity over division. How
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Speaker 12: do we bring the country together? And importantly, which is
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Speaker 12: outcomes over outreach?
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Speaker 2: So much anxious alliteration from an alban easy to advance
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Speaker 2: an apparent agenda, absent of any advance in Australian's affluence.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Michael Kroger, former President of the Victorian Liberals,
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Speaker 2: and Steve Conroy, former Labor Senator and Cabinet minister. Michael,
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Speaker 2: I must admit I'm getting Pole fatigue. You have never
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Speaker 2: seen so many polls come in a cascade at the moment,
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Speaker 2: but they all tend to confirm that Paul and Hansen
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Speaker 2: and One Nation they are not going away. The Liberals
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Speaker 2: are not improving under Angus Taylor and Labor now is
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Speaker 2: in real danger after its massive election win just last year.
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Speaker 2: How much time, just from the Liberals point of view,
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Speaker 2: for a start, does Angus Taylor have to improve that
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Speaker 2: Liberal vote?
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Speaker 6: Well, not long, Andrew. We got thirty one point eight
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Speaker 6: percent at the last election, which is our lowest vote
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Speaker 6: primary vote coalition vote since the nineteen forty six election,
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Speaker 6: our first so it's the worst we've ever had in
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Speaker 6: ten percent, lower than Scott Morrison's primary vote in two nineteen.
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Speaker 6: So what the Federal Parliament Party are doing is not working,
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Speaker 6: and I think they've got to look at the fact
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Speaker 6: that you only approve your vote when you build a
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Speaker 6: narrative about who you are. And you know, it's been
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Speaker 6: fifteen months since the last election, and there's an aglarly
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Speaker 6: a year and a bit till the next election. So
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Speaker 6: twenty percent of the elect still don't know Angus Taylor,
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Speaker 6: four percent have no view of an Albany is in,
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Speaker 6: five percent have no view on Hanson, but twenty percent
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Speaker 6: to have a view on Angus. So time's running out.
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Speaker 6: It's now important for the federal Coalition to start announcing
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Speaker 6: some major policies, major platforms, not follow the news cycle
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Speaker 6: of the day, because in eighteen we need to win governored.
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Speaker 6: We need a four in front of our vote, and
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Speaker 6: time runs out. Not so mutra Angus. But I'm in
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Speaker 6: for the whole, for the coalition. Generally, this election could
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Speaker 6: be in October and nov next year, So a grand
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Speaker 6: narrative of where they want to take the country, released
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Speaker 6: sooner rather than later, is the really important step foward
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Speaker 6: they need to take.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know that they can agree on one.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but then again, I've got to say, Stephen,
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Speaker 2: I can't say that labors in that much better a position.
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Speaker 2: Obviously I'd rather be Labor than the Liberals with the
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Speaker 2: voter as it is, but still the vote now down
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Speaker 2: to about the level's last seen in the day and
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Speaker 2: days of the Gillard government which you served.
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Speaker 1: Wow, how do you explain that?
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, Labor have made some tough decisions or
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Speaker 13: changed their position on a number of tax measures, which
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Speaker 13: is obviously I think I said at the time they
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Speaker 13: would lose some pain, and that clearly is the case.
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Speaker 13: You've got the Reserve Bank who's been hammering ordinary Australians
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Speaker 13: with higher interest rates, which is creating a real lack
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Speaker 13: of confidence in the Actually, remember the problems in the
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Speaker 13: housing market all started long before you know, A tax
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Speaker 13: is not coming until next year was announced. So the
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Speaker 13: Reserve Bank, the international uncertainties, the world confidence, all of
22:16
Speaker 13: those factors in Ukraine are difficult for.
22:20
Speaker 6: If you've got that one Martians, those.
22:23
Speaker 2: Factors Martians, you see Chinese liberals scenatric It's strange.
22:31
Speaker 1: Didn't work for him, is it?
22:33
Speaker 2: You're so far blamed everyone everyone except labor.
22:40
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Labor drives down the vote.
22:43
Speaker 2: The level's not seen since you were as the government,
22:46
Speaker 2: and you say the liberals fault. If it's not the
22:50
Speaker 2: liberal's fault, well, you've actually given them praise. I don't
22:53
Speaker 2: think it is. I think it's more like one nation
22:55
Speaker 2: and they're an incompetence.
22:56
Speaker 1: But why can't you blame Labor Well I did.
23:00
Speaker 13: I said Labors lost paint because it made some tough
23:04
Speaker 13: decisions and it.
23:04
Speaker 1: Didn't lose paint.
23:06
Speaker 2: The fender and a side panel, the steering wheels gone
23:10
Speaker 2: and one wheel has fallen off.
23:11
Speaker 1: That's more than paint. Well.
23:13
Speaker 13: I appreciate that you might like to think that, Andrew,
23:16
Speaker 13: but the australiing public aren't sharing your catastrophe.
23:19
Speaker 6: Flesh flesh wound.
23:21
Speaker 1: Taylor's got the flesh wounds. That's just a flesh room
23:24
Speaker 1: angles Taylor.
23:28
Speaker 6: Oh, Stephen, well going great mate, Andrew.
23:36
Speaker 1: That I can't wait till Labor gets that's even better.
23:42
Speaker 6: I know.
23:45
Speaker 2: But listen, Labors, But Michael, Labour's in real strophe, isn't it.
23:49
Speaker 2: I mean, Stephen's not going to admit anything, right, but listen,
23:52
Speaker 2: Labour's in real stripe. And this immigration policy you got
23:55
Speaker 2: Home Affairs mister Tony, but it was going to announce
23:57
Speaker 2: a big crackdown last week to supper a blowout in
24:00
Speaker 2: the immigration numbers was overalled by the labor cabinet.
24:04
Speaker 1: Would you believe?
24:05
Speaker 2: Pauline Hans has pointed out that even if labor did
24:07
Speaker 2: manage to deliver what it's promised, that still means adding
24:11
Speaker 2: another million people in just four years as you supposed to.
24:15
Speaker 2: Tony Burke, isn't cutting migration, is doubling down and bringing
24:18
Speaker 2: in another million people of the next four years. Labor
24:21
Speaker 2: is laying again and he's the worst part. You can't
24:23
Speaker 2: even trust in the top in a million this week.
24:25
Speaker 2: Governor has never once hit a migration target it has set.
24:29
Speaker 1: That's absolutely true, isn't.
24:30
Speaker 6: It, Michael, No, No, no, immigration's going well to Andrew,
24:35
Speaker 6: just like the economy. Well it's Stephen on this at
24:37
Speaker 6: a minute. No, no, it's going well too. It couldn't
24:40
Speaker 6: be going better. I mean, it couldn't be going better
24:43
Speaker 6: the immigration in this country, as Albo has set himself
24:45
Speaker 6: a minute ago. He's bringing Australians together, which is why
24:49
Speaker 6: social cohesion this country has never been worse. Anti Semitism
24:53
Speaker 6: has never been greater. Hatred against Jewish people in this
24:59
Speaker 6: country is that record levels disgusting demonstrations full of people
25:04
Speaker 6: praising terrorists.
25:06
Speaker 1: You know, it's all.
25:08
Speaker 6: Going very well, Andrew. Under Albo's leadership. The property markets
25:12
Speaker 6: dropping five to ten percent, Billions have been wiped off
25:15
Speaker 6: people's home values. First time buyers have put down their
25:18
Speaker 6: five percent deposit. They've been wiped out. Now, Jim and
25:22
Speaker 6: debts at a record level. But you know, as long
25:26
Speaker 6: as they keep bringing in a million people by the
25:27
Speaker 6: next few years, it props up GDP, It props up
25:30
Speaker 6: it props up the revenue. And No, Andrew, this is
25:35
Speaker 6: a shocking government led by a primeister hopelessly out of
25:38
Speaker 6: his depth. And the Treasure, as I've said for years,
25:41
Speaker 6: is also hopelessly out of his depth. And that's why
25:43
Speaker 6: Australia is an absolute mess today, Andrew.
25:48
Speaker 2: But Stephen, the next big test for one nation and
25:50
Speaker 2: also the Liberals. It's going to be the Victorian by
25:53
Speaker 2: election obviously, which is in what three and a half
25:55
Speaker 2: months or something. I have to say that we got
25:59
Speaker 2: more evidence that that anyone voting labor in Victoria at
26:02
Speaker 2: least has to be barking mad after the way it's
26:06
Speaker 2: destroyed that state. It's wasted so much money or mad
26:10
Speaker 2: spending corruption that has run out of cash to fix
26:12
Speaker 2: our roads. My wife has now burst our fourth tier
26:16
Speaker 2: Stephen on potholes in less than three two years. This morning,
26:21
Speaker 2: giant potholes like this one on the Princess Highway near Bunya,
26:25
Speaker 2: east of Melbourne, part of Australia's Highway Number one, burst
26:29
Speaker 2: the tarres of more than thirty cars, so many of
26:33
Speaker 2: that were lined up all along the road and the
26:34
Speaker 2: local Liberal members this is not the first time either here.
26:37
Speaker 11: Is it happens all the time.
26:40
Speaker 13: We are sick of this crap that the government just
26:44
Speaker 13: does not fix.
26:45
Speaker 4: The roads in our area.
26:47
Speaker 14: Last year we had thirty cars pulled over.
26:49
Speaker 1: At found Agon Stephen.
26:52
Speaker 2: This has Beenana republic stuff from labor in Victoria, isn't it.
26:57
Speaker 13: I think that's one of the reasons the Caucus decided
27:00
Speaker 13: to make change. And if you look at the sort
27:04
Speaker 13: of misprioritization of infrastructure spending where it's all been committed
27:08
Speaker 13: to one project and the rest of the state has
27:11
Speaker 13: been left with the sort of examples that you've pointed
27:14
Speaker 13: to in that clip, I mean that's not unfortunately common,
27:19
Speaker 13: uncommon in the other parts of western and northern Melbourne
27:23
Speaker 13: and out from there.
27:24
Speaker 1: And I think Ben.
27:26
Speaker 13: Carroll's got a short period of time to get the
27:29
Speaker 13: focus of this government off some of the big shiny
27:32
Speaker 13: projects that were the focus of the previous two premiers
27:36
Speaker 13: and actually dealing with the law and order issues, which
27:39
Speaker 13: we've seen terrible incidents just last week not far from
27:44
Speaker 13: where I was a local counselor. And you've got the
27:51
Speaker 13: state of the infrastructure all across the state. So I
27:54
Speaker 13: think Ben Carroll's got a short period of time to
27:56
Speaker 13: draw a clear distinction between himself that he is the
28:01
Speaker 13: change the state needs, because if we just keep going
28:04
Speaker 13: along the same path that we've been going, we are
28:06
Speaker 13: heading for a wipeout. So I think Ben Carroll's got
28:09
Speaker 13: a short period of time to prove to Victorian public
28:12
Speaker 13: he's going to talk about the issues they care about,
28:14
Speaker 13: law and order. We've dealt with the Royal Commission. Now
28:16
Speaker 13: we've got to do things on infrastructure. Cannot put all
28:19
Speaker 13: the money into one bucket.
28:22
Speaker 2: Michael, the Deputy Premiere of the past government, says it's
28:26
Speaker 2: nothing to do with him. He's the clean room after
28:30
Speaker 2: presiding over this.
28:32
Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Do you believe it? No?
28:35
Speaker 6: Clearly nothing to do with him. He's not at failed either.
28:39
Speaker 6: Stephen Stephens are short shortest. There's nothing to do with
28:41
Speaker 6: Ben Carroll. I mean he's only been there fintairety of
28:43
Speaker 6: the Allen government and Andrew's government. We've never heard a
28:47
Speaker 6: peep out of him, so he's complicit. Look, Ben's not
28:49
Speaker 6: the answer, he's the problem. I mean, as soon as
28:51
Speaker 6: we get rid of Ben, the better, and hopefully that'll
28:53
Speaker 6: be in November. And by the way, that local member
28:55
Speaker 6: Wayne Farnham has been begging on to me for years
28:59
Speaker 6: about holes in his electorate and I thought, you know
29:02
Speaker 6: he was exaggerating. Well today Andrew, the forty one cars
29:06
Speaker 6: the latest count have been severely down on potholes. Forty
29:10
Speaker 6: one's so Wayne Farnham, gold medal to you, mate, you
29:13
Speaker 6: were right all along. It is it is, it is.
29:17
Speaker 6: I mean, this is the stuff, you know. Jess Wilson
29:19
Speaker 6: come out today with a policy on garbage bins. These
29:22
Speaker 6: are the things that actually matter to people. People say
29:24
Speaker 6: that's small policies, No actually matter to people. You want
29:26
Speaker 6: to be able to drive in a highway, not have
29:28
Speaker 6: your car smashed up, or not have your rubbish sitting
29:30
Speaker 6: in a bin for two weeks. These are the things
29:32
Speaker 6: that labor have completely overlooked because, as Steven said, they've
29:36
Speaker 6: put all the money in one basket and that basket
29:38
Speaker 6: is now leaking.
29:39
Speaker 1: Like hel Andrew, no two baskets.
29:42
Speaker 2: It wasn't just the suburban rail Looper railway from nowhere
29:46
Speaker 2: to nowhere. Don't forget the fifteen billion dollars supposedly lost
29:51
Speaker 2: in corruption on the Big Bill.
29:55
Speaker 6: Andrew, that's not that's not that's not labor.
29:57
Speaker 1: No, No, that was a different labor. That was a
30:00
Speaker 1: different flavor.
30:02
Speaker 2: Conroy, thank you very much to you, but ah different one,
30:05
Speaker 2: different one still to come. You've got to hear these
30:10
Speaker 2: tapes from a committee where a respected academic goes there
30:14
Speaker 2: hoping to help Aborigines and then gets a blast from
30:18
Speaker 2: Lydia Thoughte the hate manger.
30:21
Speaker 1: Listen to this.
30:26
Speaker 2: More evidence that the reconciliation movement is not just a
30:30
Speaker 2: fraud but a menace reconciliation. I don't think we've ever
30:36
Speaker 2: been so divided.
30:37
Speaker 1: Now.
30:37
Speaker 2: I told you the other day how a retired academic,
30:41
Speaker 2: Peter Balan, had been monstered when he tried to give
30:44
Speaker 2: evidence to a federal politicians sitting on the Joint Standing
30:47
Speaker 2: Committee on Aboriginal Torrestrad under the Affairs well, it's now
30:52
Speaker 2: complained to Parliament about his treatment, and no wonder the
30:56
Speaker 2: Land is a former CEO and academic who this year
30:59
Speaker 2: received an All of Australia for service through tertiary education
31:03
Speaker 2: and to the community of South Australia. So is public
31:06
Speaker 2: minded and a week and a half ago flew to
31:07
Speaker 2: Brisbane at his own expense to present a submission to
31:10
Speaker 2: this committee about why we should scrap race based programs
31:14
Speaker 2: and treat people as individuals. He said they would actually
31:18
Speaker 2: help Aborigines in the long term. Well, bad luck for
31:21
Speaker 2: him that the committee includes race bating Senator Lidia Thorpe,
31:25
Speaker 2: who identifies as Aboriginal even though just one of her
31:30
Speaker 2: eighth great grandparents had Aboriginal ancestry. Never mind that, and
31:35
Speaker 2: she kicked off the questions to Berlan in a very
31:38
Speaker 2: hostile US versus you way, questions like this, do you.
31:43
Speaker 15: Think that given all of the harm that has been
31:46
Speaker 15: caused to first people's we deserve at least to have
31:51
Speaker 15: some the same rights and opportunities.
31:54
Speaker 1: As everyone else.
31:58
Speaker 2: Well, Blan in turn set to thought you know who,
32:01
Speaker 2: by the way, is a senator of our federal Parliament
32:04
Speaker 2: and also in a very good salary there what rights
32:08
Speaker 2: were denied to Aborigines today, And of course she couldn't
32:11
Speaker 2: wouldn't answer, but she did demand this white man, as
32:15
Speaker 2: white as seven of her great grandparents, pay.
32:18
Speaker 15: Money as somebody who's not from this land, who lives
32:24
Speaker 15: here and benefits who stolen wealth and oppression of abertal people.
32:30
Speaker 15: Do you pay the rent for being on stolen land
32:34
Speaker 15: to the people whose land.
32:36
Speaker 16: It is.
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Speaker 1: Now?
32:39
Speaker 2: Balan calmly explained to this senator the truth that our
32:44
Speaker 2: wealth was not stolen but was created big difference, and
32:49
Speaker 2: that the land belonged to all Australians and as for rent,
32:53
Speaker 2: he did pay taxes and that set thought right off.
32:57
Speaker 2: Listen to this insult and implied threat.
33:01
Speaker 15: The racism that this person represents is the very racism
33:05
Speaker 15: that we're trying to eradicate. We're trying to eradicate people
33:09
Speaker 15: like you from the system.
33:14
Speaker 2: Well, Bland's session was then cut short by Chairman Jonas Stewart,
33:18
Speaker 2: who's a Labor senator who also identify as as Aboriginal.
33:22
Speaker 2: And in the lunch break he was told by security
33:25
Speaker 2: he had to leave. No reason was given, he says,
33:28
Speaker 2: he was marched out of the building by that security
33:32
Speaker 2: join me a. Lisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent, founder of
33:34
Speaker 2: Adoni Media, and Youw's twenty four hosts Danika di Giorgio, Lisa,
33:39
Speaker 2: does that look like reconciliation to you, Andrew?
33:44
Speaker 5: It looks far from reconciliation. Look, I think Lydia thought.
33:46
Speaker 5: We all know it is all about performance politics. She's
33:49
Speaker 5: all about grandstanding. And what she doesn't like, apparently, is
33:52
Speaker 5: somebody who could remain very calm, not take on the
33:55
Speaker 5: premise of her question or allegation, and then argue a point.
33:58
Speaker 5: And I think what he went in there to say,
34:00
Speaker 5: he wishes for everybody in this country to have the
34:03
Speaker 5: same rights and the same opportunities, and if you look
34:06
Speaker 5: at what the polling says, I think a lot of
34:07
Speaker 5: Australians actually agree with him. But she couldn't handle somebody
34:11
Speaker 5: who could sit there and very calmly just answer her
34:14
Speaker 5: with And I loved it. The questions were asked, you know,
34:17
Speaker 5: are you on stolen land? And he wouldn't accept the
34:19
Speaker 5: premise of that. Do you accept that you should be
34:21
Speaker 5: paying rent? Well, what do you mean by rent? Like
34:24
Speaker 5: these are the types of questions that the average ossie
34:26
Speaker 5: sitting at home watching the television and hearing this would
34:29
Speaker 5: be saying well, I would like to ask that question
34:31
Speaker 5: and can someone please explain this to me? So no,
34:34
Speaker 5: I don't think this goes anywhere near proof that this
34:36
Speaker 5: is about reconciliation at all. This is about wanting racism
34:40
Speaker 5: and division in this country. So there's extra money allocated
34:43
Speaker 5: for certain parts of community in this country and others
34:46
Speaker 5: don't get that, and that's what Lydia Thorpe is fighting for.
34:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, but well it wasn't just Leadia Thorpe, of course,
34:53
Speaker 2: because the chairman cut this guy's session short and then
34:57
Speaker 2: the security I should tell them to get out of
34:59
Speaker 2: the building. I mean, this is the thing, Denikair. If
35:01
Speaker 2: you do calmly argue back under this new reconciliation model,
35:07
Speaker 2: you're called a racist, your free speech is cut short,
35:10
Speaker 2: and you're marched out of the building.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
35:12
Speaker 17: You know, you're not allowed to have that opinion on anything.
35:14
Speaker 17: You're not allowed to present evidence Andrew, of course, because
35:17
Speaker 17: the race baters like Lydia Thorpe will absolutely rip you
35:21
Speaker 17: your head off. I mean, this guy is an academic,
35:24
Speaker 17: an expert in his own field. He has gone to
35:27
Speaker 17: this inquiry off his own volition to try and say
35:30
Speaker 17: this is how we can unite Australia as one because
35:34
Speaker 17: we are supposed to be as one. We're not meant
35:36
Speaker 17: to be divided by the color of our skin. And
35:38
Speaker 17: he was marched out of the inquiry. And not that
35:41
Speaker 17: you necessarily needed an academic to give you this evidence, Andrew,
35:44
Speaker 17: because of course sixty percent of us voted no to
35:48
Speaker 17: this sort of disunity, no to being divided by the
35:51
Speaker 17: color of our skin. But I was thinking about it realistically,
35:54
Speaker 17: what else does Lydia Thorpe have to offer? Okay, she
35:57
Speaker 17: doesn't want reconciliation because she's got nothing else to talk about.
36:01
Speaker 17: If she's not angry at people, she doesn't have any
36:05
Speaker 17: other arsenal. And her anger actually isn't getting her anywhere
36:09
Speaker 17: because reconciliation is nowhere to be seen, closing the gap
36:13
Speaker 17: nowhere to be seen. Outcomes for Aboriginal Australians. Well, nothing
36:17
Speaker 17: has changed, so she can winge as much as she wants.
36:20
Speaker 17: She's not actually doing Indigenous Australians any favors.
36:27
Speaker 1: When I was.
36:28
Speaker 2: Away last Thursday and I apologized to viewers unavoidable circus,
36:33
Speaker 2: the ABC finally apologized the money billionaire Gena Reinhardt. That
36:37
Speaker 2: was nearly four weeks after screening a film fantasizing about
36:41
Speaker 2: sodomizing her with a stick and turning her guts into pace,
36:45
Speaker 2: she is still suing the ABC, and I think, no,
36:48
Speaker 2: wonder what amazes me, Lisa is that the ABC bosses
36:53
Speaker 2: first defended this film as satire, then said they couldn't
36:57
Speaker 2: comment while their onwardsman took another.
37:00
Speaker 1: And then when that ombudsman.
37:01
Speaker 2: Last week actually said, oh look the film sat her
37:04
Speaker 2: and just said her and editorially justifiable, and then overruled
37:09
Speaker 2: this judge that you know, oh look, she's so important
37:13
Speaker 2: that we can't comment, the mentioned director overruled her anyway,
37:17
Speaker 2: finally said sorry, what does all that tell you apart
37:20
Speaker 2: from the fact that the ABC ombudsman should be sacked.
37:24
Speaker 5: Well, the ABC obmunsman, it's basically having you're checking your
37:27
Speaker 5: own homework at this point, aren't you. So she's there
37:29
Speaker 5: as part of the ABC, she's reporting to the ABC board.
37:33
Speaker 5: The ABC board should have been able to come to
37:35
Speaker 5: this decision by itself. So I think the ombudsman needs
37:38
Speaker 5: to be put to one side and someone independent outside
37:41
Speaker 5: of the ABC should be looking at what is happening
37:43
Speaker 5: inside that media organization, and you're right, editorial standards need
37:47
Speaker 5: to be seriously questioned when this could be put to air.
37:50
Speaker 5: We've been saying this now since you broke this story
37:52
Speaker 5: four weeks ago. What I'm interested to see is if
37:55
Speaker 5: missus Reinhart pushes her head, and if she pushes her
37:57
Speaker 5: head in a civil matter against the ABC, what would
38:00
Speaker 5: be good is that, I understand, they will then have
38:03
Speaker 5: to reveal exactly what the process was, who was involved,
38:06
Speaker 5: what questions were asked, and who actually gave the tick
38:09
Speaker 5: of approval for this to go to air, because we
38:10
Speaker 5: all know that there is not just one person that
38:13
Speaker 5: magically puts this out and suddenly it's out for the
38:15
Speaker 5: audience to view. There is a level of process here
38:18
Speaker 5: and that process has not been scrutinized.
38:21
Speaker 16: And I agree with you.
38:22
Speaker 5: The ABC can't just stand back now and be forced
38:24
Speaker 5: to give it apology. They have to show some action.
38:27
Speaker 5: Someone should lose their job, at least one person.
38:32
Speaker 1: Denika, what do you make this? Well?
38:34
Speaker 17: I think Lisa's absolutely correct here. I think that the
38:37
Speaker 17: ombardsman should be sacked. Somebody does need to lose their
38:39
Speaker 17: job for this. But also what struck me Andrew was
38:43
Speaker 17: that the ombardsman said, oh, well, none of the editorial
38:46
Speaker 17: policies have been breached. Well, if that's the case, they've
38:50
Speaker 17: got a very big problem with their editorial guidelines because
38:54
Speaker 17: that should never ever have gone to air in the
38:57
Speaker 17: first place. And I also think it's a very rich
38:59
Speaker 17: for the APE to now come out with this apology.
39:02
Speaker 17: Yet it's taken four weeks, it's taken the threat of
39:05
Speaker 17: legal action, it's apparently taken an investigation by its onwardsman
39:09
Speaker 17: for Hugh Marks to finally say sorry. And yet I'm
39:12
Speaker 17: sure you're aware Andrew Still on its website there's also
39:15
Speaker 17: an essay which tries to draw comparisons between Gena Reinhart
39:19
Speaker 17: and the fictional character in Star.
39:20
Speaker 7: Wars Jab of the Hut.
39:22
Speaker 17: So it's like, we've apologized, but for goodness, you've got
39:26
Speaker 17: this on the website.
39:28
Speaker 16: You know.
39:28
Speaker 17: I just think that there is double standards at play here.
39:33
Speaker 17: But no, somebody does need to lose their jobs because
39:36
Speaker 17: it is an editorial oversight and we're paying one point
39:39
Speaker 17: two billion dollars a year for it.
39:42
Speaker 2: What does it say about an ABC that actually needs
39:45
Speaker 2: a new policy saying you should not fantasize about.
39:51
Speaker 1: Sodomizing a woman, and you know and the rest.
39:54
Speaker 2: So I'm going to it all, but what kind of
39:57
Speaker 2: cretons do you employ that you actually need to write that.
40:00
Speaker 1: I don't get that.
40:02
Speaker 2: Just quickly, Lisa, former chreasure of Josh Friedenberg's, the most
40:05
Speaker 2: senior Jewish politician elected in this country, has been refused
40:09
Speaker 2: an invitation to give evidence to the Royal Commission into
40:11
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism, even though it was very influential in forcing
40:15
Speaker 2: the governor to call that royal commission after the Mundai massacre.
40:18
Speaker 1: Here is at the.
40:19
Speaker 2: Time you must call a royal commission into what has
40:23
Speaker 2: happened here and into the rise of anti Semitism in
40:27
Speaker 2: our country.
40:30
Speaker 1: What does this tell you, Lisa?
40:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew, I've seen people today question this as being
40:35
Speaker 5: very puzzling as to why he isn't being called. I
40:38
Speaker 5: would suggest, and maybe I'm off to the left of
40:41
Speaker 5: center here, but I would suggest that this is more
40:44
Speaker 5: about politics because it was Josh Freiderberger came out and
40:48
Speaker 5: said the Prime Minister had to take personal responsibility for this.
40:52
Speaker 5: The Prime Minister did not want to call that royal commission.
40:54
Speaker 5: It was Josh Friderberg, who was one of the loudest
40:56
Speaker 5: voices in this country pushing for this accountability. He understand
41:00
Speaker 5: what issues were being raised before the massacre. He understands
41:04
Speaker 5: who knew about that and who was being told that.
41:06
Speaker 5: And you can only presume that that's the very evidence
41:09
Speaker 5: that they do not want to be heard in the
41:11
Speaker 5: Royal Commission. And yet that's exactly why we're having this
41:14
Speaker 5: Royal Commission to hear from people like Josh Freidenberg, which
41:17
Speaker 5: was it last week. We had pro Palestinian lawyers who
41:20
Speaker 5: were in there who basically hijacked it. So it's okay
41:22
Speaker 5: to hear from that side, But no, we don't want
41:24
Speaker 5: to hear from this country's most prominent Jewish politician. It
41:29
Speaker 5: makes no sense whatsoever.
41:32
Speaker 2: I'm actually completely out of time, Danika, but I just
41:34
Speaker 2: want to quickly ask you, what do you think all
41:37
Speaker 2: this amounts to?
41:38
Speaker 17: Well, Andrew I was at bond Eie the morning after
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Speaker 17: the attack, and what we needed at that moment was
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Speaker 17: leadership in this country. We didn't get it because Anthony
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Speaker 17: Alberizi he went there for five minutes, laid a bouquet
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Speaker 17: of flowers, and then didn't return, as you remember, because
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Speaker 17: he was so scared about being booed. The person who
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Speaker 17: provided that leadership was Josh Fredenberg. And it's such a
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Speaker 17: shame and it's an oversight that he has not been
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Speaker 17: invited to give evidence.
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Speaker 2: Lisa got Dnikir Di Georgia, thank you very much to
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Speaker 2: you both after the break.
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Speaker 1: Look, I have to say, amazing one.
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Speaker 2: Of history's great frauds is quit as a Cambridge professor.
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Speaker 1: But how did he get away with this incredible lies?
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Speaker 2: A most extraordinary fraudster, Jason Arday has resigned as a
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Speaker 2: professor at Cambridge, one of Britain's two top universities, and
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Speaker 2: our head should roll now.
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Speaker 1: I told you about last week.
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Speaker 2: From the start his claims sounded too good and impossible
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Speaker 2: to be true.
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Speaker 14: My name is Jason Ida. I am professor of Sociology
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Speaker 14: of Education at the University of Cambridge. I was diagnosed
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Speaker 14: with autism at the age of three. I learned to
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Speaker 14: speak just before the age of twelve, so I was eleven.
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Speaker 14: I learned to read and write when I was eighteen
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Speaker 14: years of age. Those most Owans became quite significant. Twelve
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Speaker 14: years off learning to read and write, I gained a PhD.
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Speaker 14: And then I ended up becoming one of the youngest
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Speaker 14: professorial chairs in Cambridge's history.
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Speaker 2: Now with a story like that and being black and
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Speaker 2: hiring him would make Cambridge seem so enlightened that his
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Speaker 2: boss nearly cried to welcome him.
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Speaker 5: Good.
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Speaker 1: See here's his new boss at Cambridge.
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Speaker 18: We are so lucky to have you.
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Speaker 17: You are the best in the world in terms of
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Speaker 17: the research that you do.
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Speaker 2: But now Ouraday's extraordinary lives have been exposed. Here are
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Speaker 2: just a few his PhD plagiarized in other student's thesis
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Speaker 2: in nearly two hundred passages. He also faked quotes in
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Speaker 2: his research. He faltunately claimed to have raised ten million
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Speaker 2: dollars for charity. He falsunly claimed to have worked for
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Speaker 2: an eight group overseas. He faltunately claimed to have run
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Speaker 2: thirty marathons in just thirty five days, some of them
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Speaker 2: with a broken leg. He falsinately claimed to have been
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Speaker 2: a visiting professor at three universities. He falsibly claimed someone
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Speaker 2: sent him a pig's head as a threat. He falsily
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Speaker 2: claimed to have started a documentary seven up twenty one
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Speaker 2: years before he was even born, and on and on it.
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Speaker 2: When a literary supplement investigateds plagiarism.
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Speaker 1: Ada called the police who.
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Speaker 2: Actually warned the journalists to drop.
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Speaker 1: It, and he did.
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Speaker 2: But now Our Day has resigned, admitting nothing in Cambridge
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Speaker 2: academics of demanding the university of a proper investigation and
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Speaker 2: to how it let itself be conned, joined me from
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Speaker 2: London as talk TV host Samara Gill. Samara, this is
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Speaker 2: just so astonishing. A lot of academics are first offended
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Speaker 2: Our Day, but this thought is so sad and uar
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Speaker 2: revel how are they coping with it now?
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Speaker 18: Look, it really is a case of the not so
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Speaker 18: talented mister our Day, isn't it. I mean, I think
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Speaker 18: the most amazing part of this the fact that.
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Speaker 16: Cambridge never cross checked any of this.
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Speaker 18: They were defending him until the end, and this just
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Speaker 18: shows how much they wanted someone like him to be
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Speaker 18: within their institution and how they would stop at nothing
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Speaker 18: to have someone like an Our Day basically be the
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Speaker 18: poster child for everything that they're trying to or have
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Speaker 18: been trying to apologize for for Deck. So it's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 18: You know, he was created in their image. They feel
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Speaker 18: so much guilt around this. They wanted a child of
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Speaker 18: wolves type that they could empower and shelter and save.
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Speaker 18: And this guy has done more for actually detracting from
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Speaker 18: Black lives matter than anyone else. He's done really really
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Speaker 18: terrible things, in my opinion, to the black community because
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Speaker 18: he's discrediting whoever will come after him. And I think
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Speaker 18: that is shameful, to be honest, because people like him
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Speaker 18: just glide through life without being questioned. And you're right,
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Speaker 18: the fact that he called police on a journalist who
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Speaker 18: even just wanted to merely investigate what was going on.
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Speaker 18: I spoke to that journalist. He has no racist intentions
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Speaker 18: is ridiculous. And then it says a lot about Britain
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Speaker 18: that the police told the journalists to drop whatever he
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Speaker 18: was investigating Andrew.
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Speaker 16: It's scurriless.
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Speaker 2: And it was the time situational supplement. It wasn't like
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Speaker 2: some newspaper for police to get involved. Not not joke
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Speaker 2: as a scandal, but it wasn't you know, we know
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Speaker 2: there was a fraud as an academic. Was he even
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Speaker 2: any good as a teacher because we now read that
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Speaker 2: some of his students accuse him of pour supervision and
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Speaker 2: now on Cambridgeshire revised their grades upwards.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean I think that they should do that.
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Speaker 18: I think it's ridiculous to anyone who has paid for
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Speaker 18: one of these, in my opinion, Mickey Mouse degrees. But
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Speaker 18: so be it. I mean, when I was just reading
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Speaker 18: a list of what now Cambridge actually offers in terms
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Speaker 18: of you know, things like basket weaving classes, et cetera.
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Speaker 18: The stuff that is ridiculous. I mean, honestly, I think
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Speaker 18: that people should have whatever he's marked double checked.
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Speaker 16: I was actually listening to an.
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Speaker 18: Interview that he did on talk years ago on the
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Speaker 18: station when we have over here, and you can tell
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Speaker 18: that he's not all that. I'm really surprised that he
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Speaker 18: wasn't called out before this, because he can bely string
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Speaker 18: a sentence together.
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Speaker 16: And so the fact that he was allowed.
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Speaker 18: Into want an institution such as Cambridge to go and
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Speaker 18: mark people's essays, etc. I'd be asking for my money
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Speaker 18: back on that degree if it was in his field.
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Speaker 18: But he's now canceled his book tour, he's obviously resigned,
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Speaker 18: and he's right to be audited. It's something that is
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Speaker 18: well overdue for mister r.
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Speaker 16: Day.
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Speaker 2: It's called a big fascinating Britain and like I say,
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Speaker 2: a number of academics signed a petition, so he was
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Speaker 2: the victim of racism but being quistioned, and had quietly
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Speaker 2: edited the names out of the petition, a number of them,
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Speaker 2: including Baron the actor, Baron Cones brother.
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Speaker 1: What is the big message in all this for you?
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Speaker 18: The big message is that we really really shouldn't trust
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Speaker 18: whatever these institutions are trying to serve to us, in
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Speaker 18: terms of the fact that we need to stop looking
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Speaker 18: towards how people are portraying themselve and also stop ingratiating
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Speaker 18: those who do fit into the image of I couldn't
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Speaker 18: speak until this age.
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Speaker 16: I couldn't do this.
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Speaker 18: I honestly think Cambridge is to blame more than Jason
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Speaker 18: are Day. They are the people who uplifted this guy.
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Speaker 18: Never once questioned him and thought, oh this is great
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Speaker 18: for our box sticking DEI policies. We should put an
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Speaker 18: end to this in Europe and beyond in Australia the US.
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Speaker 18: We need to take people on their merit and go
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Speaker 18: back to that other than you know, having this self
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Speaker 18: fulfilling prophecy of putting people forward just for a DEI higher.
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Speaker 16: It doesn't help anyone.
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Speaker 18: Andrew and Cambridge defended this guy even last week when
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Speaker 18: I was talking to you, and that says a lot
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Speaker 18: about what type of institution they really are and had
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Speaker 18: become because they weren't once great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, once great, absolutely, but that makes it even the
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Speaker 2: more shocking. They should throw away it all like this
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Speaker 2: is just assnagy to me, Samara Gil, thank.
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Speaker 1: You so much for your time. That's it for me.
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Speaker 1: Coming up next, Shary Markson good Night,