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The Final Doll · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Phoebe insert like a phone ringing noise here, Okay, thanks hello, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like Gary movie? Um is this Caitlyn Jenner. For those
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  Speaker 1: of you listening, if you haven't guessed, we are watching
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  Speaker 1: the screen movies today, movies that you have inducted me
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  Speaker 1: into kind of or whether you are the fan and
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  Speaker 1: I had never watched them before. Yes, we have finally
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: reached the episode where I kill fran a spoiler what
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  Speaker 1: we're doing this episode. I'm gonna murder. I'm into that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be wearing the skimpiest outfit skims only. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and you almost, you almost make it like you almost
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  Speaker 1: kill the killer, but then you get got, You get
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  Speaker 1: at God, you get God because this is like a
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm friend Toronto. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: excited and we are literally screaming about scream literally literally.
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  Speaker 1: I have a new car. Oh my god, that's right,
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: grieving that gay people still can't drive. Yeah, exactly. I
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: have done pretty much nothing with it other than listen
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: to that new route Paul song Catwalk. Have you heard this?
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: I did hear it? Wait, so have you been going
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: anywhere where? Yeah? I you know, I it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: an amazing concept. You know. I can drive to the
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: grocery star, I can drive to work out, I can
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  Speaker 1: drive to the park. I'm a car girl. Now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so happy for you. Finally, after almost two years of
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: driving you literally everywhere. When is our first road trip?
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: It could be as soon as you wanted to be. However,
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: your newly committed relationship, I think, is maybe going to
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: decide when, Rose, do you want to tell the virgins? Oh?
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have a dog. I got a dog.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: I got a dog right between Christmas and New Year's
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  Speaker 1: She was my Christmas gift to myself. Or I guess
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: maybe better put my apartment was my Christmas gift to
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  Speaker 1: her because it has now become her space entirely. Um,
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: the Mike probably isn't picking it up. But she is
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  Speaker 1: currently in her crate in my bedroom, winding up a
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: storm because we are crate training, which is not going great. Well, Rose,
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: she wants to be on the pod. Yeah, she has
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  Speaker 1: some hot takes on and just like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: She actually really likes h d As. Actually, no, like
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  Speaker 1: when I'm watching TV. She's not interested in it. Wow,
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: that's a bad dog. You should be TV training her.
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  Speaker 1: She does like some music, though. Yesterday she was kind
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: of bopping around to Muna Oh featuring Phoebe Bridgers featuring
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  Speaker 1: So my dog is a lesbian or she they buy Okay, wait,
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: so you should play your dog the new Rue song obviously, um,
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  Speaker 1: I watched the drag Race premiere that the Rue Song
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  Speaker 1: debut on. I should also disclaim that I don't like
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  Speaker 1: any of Ruse music period, Like I haven't enjoyed a
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  Speaker 1: Rue song since Supermo. I can with Adrenaline. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: a banger. No no, no no no to the okay
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  Speaker 1: that that song is fine? I can. I can maybe
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  Speaker 1: vouch for Sissy that walk, but outside of that, not
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  Speaker 1: a Roof fan. However, this album has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: um of the moment production value. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: give it too much credit because it's still music era.
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  Speaker 1: She's She's in her Blue Blue bearra in that um.
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  Speaker 1: This song that I like sounds like Dua Lipa, and
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: two other songs just sound like Sophie Rips. Actually, there's
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  Speaker 1: like one song that someone's rest on power. I know,
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  Speaker 1: it's very really actually and fans and wants to work.
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: Ru was like, who's this Sophie girl? What? What's what's
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  Speaker 1: her like? I think that's giving her Excuse me, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's giving him him, Paul a lot of credit
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  Speaker 1: in that. I don't actually believe he is involved in
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  Speaker 1: any way with the production of his music. Like when
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  Speaker 1: he performed that song on the Drag Race premiere. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that is the first time he'd ever heard the song,
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was so funny. How I saw
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  Speaker 1: a clip of the pit stop and they were talking
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: about Rue doing Corio and It's like, what around? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's six, I mean he is sixty one. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: sixty one and I can still do you know, a
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  Speaker 1: little flick of the wrists, a little hip switch in
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  Speaker 1: some heels. I think she sells it in the face.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he sells it the face and looked great.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean the premier itself was actually very good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I feel like I have to
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  Speaker 1: be the correspondent on this show, But like, did you
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  Speaker 1: watch it? So you've watched it? Yeah? What else? Still
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: have a to do? I have a new I have
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: a new puppy at home. Like I'm not leaving my apartment. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I watched drag Race. Who was your favorite? And why
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: was it cornbread? She was the one that was like,
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: I'm the number one was at one personator. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she was good. At this point, I don't have like
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: opinions about any of them. I'm really accepted. I did
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: think it was funny that that one girl wore flip flops.
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: Actually do love that. It was it was like very
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: Macy Rodman like at bath Salts. I was literally about
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  Speaker 1: to say, so that girl Willow Hill, who was kind
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: of maybe the Twitter sentiment favorite. I mean, obviously everybody
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: loves corn bread, but I think the most people were
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: talking about Willow Pill on Twitter afterwards when she entered.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't dig it because it's just so
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  Speaker 1: different than what we usually see on the like kind
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  Speaker 1: of polish of drag Race. But you're so right, Like
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  Speaker 1: what she is giving is so Brooklyn drag like in
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  Speaker 1: that it is like, you know, a little busted and
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: like definitely dropped out of an art school, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they're they're so and I love
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  Speaker 1: the kind of performance e element of what she did.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: Like I just fell in love with her more and
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  Speaker 1: more as the episode went on, So I'll be interested
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: to see like if that kind of like weirdo aesthetic
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  Speaker 1: can like make it all the way to like a
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: top moment. But you know, still a great premiere. Still
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: rooting for the girls, Rooting for Carrie Colby also too.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: I think she's like she seems a little nervous, but
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited. Well transform, Yeah, I think corn
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  Speaker 1: Bread is also trans so at least she doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: She's not alone this season, which is kind of nice.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: I love to see the dolls represented. Um, speaking of
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: dolls represented, Uh, did you watch the Euphoria premiere? No?
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  Speaker 1: I think what kept me from watching the premiere the
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: other night was that I haven't watched the special from
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  Speaker 1: last year, nor do I plan to. They're very traumatic,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, they're basically therapy. Can I just skip them
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  Speaker 1: and go straight to season two? Do I need? Is?
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: There is there plocked information in them that I need? This? Okay?
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: This is this is useful for the virgins too, And no,
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  Speaker 1: this is not yes or no yes Otunately, when it
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: comes to Euphoria, nothing is a yes or no answer
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: to that. To that effect, I'm happy to be the
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  Speaker 1: Euphoria correspondent for this show, and I can do so
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  Speaker 1: without spoiling anything for you. I did rewatch the Euphoria
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: special episodes before watching the premiere. I did think it
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: was very essential to my viewing experience. There are minute
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: plot points that are revealed and the special episodes that
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: I think are pretty important. But do they recap them
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the episode. No, No, they do not,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: because they're just completely different in format. They're not like
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: episodes of TV. They're kind of like too long character studies,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's some of my favorite TV
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: writing I've ever seen in a very, very long time.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: I really do watch the show and I'm like this,
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  Speaker 1: this is what everyone is hyped about, Like, well, I
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: enjoy it, but but I'm also like this, really, but
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: I'm happy that you love it so much. I'm excited
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: to hear about what you don't like, because I mean,
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: not to blow up your spot. You really loved the
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: show when you first watched, like when you watched the
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: first few episodes. Well, I think a big part of
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: it is just like, as I've gotten older, I have
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: kind of less time for investigating the interior lives of
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: teenagers because I'm just like, you're not a person, You're
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: like you're a zygo, You're like a lump of clay.
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: I guess like I would not want to see my
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: own high school experience as like as an HBO series, right, Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't really think of them as teenagers.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: They're basically adults, and but they are teenagers. And that's
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: what gets weird because they're like having all this like
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  Speaker 1: crazy sex and doing all these drugs, and it's like
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: it's TV. It's TV, and that's I mean that to
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  Speaker 1: me actually, And I think that the premiere showed this
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  Speaker 1: off really well, is that this show has a complete
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: fantasy world of what we might have envisioned our high
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  Speaker 1: school experiences to be if they were as dramatic as
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: they felt. You know what I mean, Because when you're
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: in high school, it really everything does feel like the
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: end of the world. Everything does feel like life or
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: death because your your hormones are so high. And like,
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: I love that this premiere had like you know, steakouts
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: and hundred mile per hour car rides and like a
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: cheating scandal and like bloody fights and weapons and like
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: drug dealing babies and like, I just loved it, um
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: nothing more just sturbing. Though then Nate cracking a beer
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: bottle open with his teeth multiple times. I think Nate
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: honestly is like a manifestation. He's basically just like the
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: villain and the hot villain. He's like a manifestation of
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: like every enemies to lovers fantasy like I've ever had. Also,
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: will say a next one of the most stressful episodes
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: of the series too. There's a very stressful scene that
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: happens in a bathtub with Sydney Sweeney, who does some
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: of the best acting of the series. Um. I also,
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I lovingly refer to her as a jugsy Malone because yeah,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: she's like seventeen years old and she's got like tatas,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: but she's actually your in spirited alert. They're all like thirty,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: she's twenty four. Okay, Well that's that's l A thirty.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: That's l A thirty. Yeah yeah, um okay. Anyways, the
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: world building of Euphoria is like my favorite thing on
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: the planet, and that is kind of why what is
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: the world besides the world these horny teenagers, Like, what
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: is the world being built? It's it's so much richer
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: than that. The world is a kind of like I
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm taking this very seriously, but a very
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: like fun house mirror of high school and like a
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: very dystopian high stakes kind of like high school world. Um.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: And I kind of love that about the show because
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: just because they kind of sell me on it. The
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: performances are are great and the cinema, the cinema is
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: so fun. I am very excited to keep watching tbh. UM,
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can stay the same for
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: and just like that. Um, last week's episode was I
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: felt kind of like filler to me, the filler queen,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: you know Carrie, Like, how much money does carry have?
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: That's I was her net worth. It's It's so funny
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: because from episode one to like episode three to like now,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: we've had multiple iterations of like, wait, how riches carry?
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: Like like every time it's actually more I really want
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to know. I want to see her bank statements, like
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: I want to see her tox return. I guess I
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: did post this question to some friends and also on Twitter,
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: and people were saying, like maybe she had like a
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  Speaker 1: couple million on her own from her books. Maybe one
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: of her books, was like a bestseller and was optioned
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: for like, you know, an indie movie. So she's got
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, like pre marrying big or like
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: on her own, she's got maybe three million, but I
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: think big considering that in the first episode they say
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: that he's the next Donald Trump, which l O L
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: and having the vineyard and NAPA and like the properties.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, if he if he had a
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: hundred million, Yeah, if he had enough money to just
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: leave his ex wife a million dollars because he felt bad,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: carry was left a hundred million, which is crazy. Yeah,
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: It's like that is like literally like because she bought
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: that apartment and then was like nah and then just
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: like re sold it like she'd got it on the
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: real reel. This is not shade she was giving you.
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  Speaker 1: You would do that. You would absolutely buy the most
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: gorgeous luxury apartment and then within a week decide that
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be there anymore. You would do that,
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: which is why you maintain that you are a carrier.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: And that is absolutely true, and it is what I
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: texted a friend. I said, very very me, I will say, um,
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: her problems feels so like feudal when she has so
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: much more wealth than what we've seen in the kind
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: of the rest of Sex in the City as a series,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Like it's almost distracting the level of wealth where now
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: bearing witness to. But I'm not mad at it, Like
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: I like that aspirational quality. Um. But I I'm curious
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: to see what they're gonna do with Biggs ashes now
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: that all the Christnath stuff has come out, because apparently
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: they filmed in Paris, Like Carrie was supposed to like
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: spread the ashes, big ashes in Paris, which is so
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: freaking stupid, Like what is that? What is the kind
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: of the importance of Paris? I guess, like because that's
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: where they ultimately got back together in the finale. What
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: oh right? The Bridge? Um, but I think New York
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: is more important for them. I was gonna say, if
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: if she really wanted to, you know, be be true
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: to Big Spirit, she would be scattering his ashes at
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: at the Financial District, just like on the Cobblestones. Yeah,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: the Five Eyebrows getting their dig in bring Murray Hill, Yeah,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: something like that. Um. I also have to talk about
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: I can't decide if it was if it was funny
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: or if if I was horrified, but Carrie and her
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: cultural appreciation of um Seema's kind of like do Wally
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: a traditional DESI garb that line that they wrote for
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Sema to say, I just you know, listen, I'm I'm white.
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  Speaker 1: I really can't make these decisions. But also I know, um.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I think even I
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: knew that that was like a little you know, I um.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of things about the show that
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: I think are really disappointing on the kind of diversity
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: and inclusion level of which I'm actually writing about right now.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: But I just feel like that that joke in particular
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: was unfortunately actually funny. But it was funny because I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: know how wrong it is, and it's upsetting to think
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: about the white people in the middle of the country
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: that will hear this joke about you know, it's okay
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to culturally appreciate something and then think that they can
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: legitimately just like we're sorries out on the town. Is
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: a joke to me? Is like just that's why, Yeah,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: that's why. It's kind of bizarre. There's obviously this um
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: work ring thing where every person of color in this
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: show is attached to a white counterpart that they are
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: fixing in some way, you know, like she is fixing
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Miranda's midlife crisis. Nia is like acquiescing all of Miranda's
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: like microaggressions and like kind of trying to like Pep talker.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: And then she's you know, they're their friends now. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: we have LTW, who is just like has doesn't have
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: a ton of like personality traits outside of being referred
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: to as like black Charlotte, you know what I mean. Anyways, Still,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: how many episodes do we have left? Even? I have
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: no idea, but I do know that there's only one
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: episode of Yellow Jackets left. You're not I haven't even
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: watched episode two. I'm a friend. I'll watch it. I'll
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: watch it. I'll watch I will, I will. You have
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to buy next week because the finale is this Sunday. Okay,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: So okay, I'm gonna ask you. You don't like spoilers,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to plug your ears because I just
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: need to pop off. Okay, quick, couple of theories that
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I think are going to be revealed in the finale, Okay,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: please please do? Okay? And so I think that Adam,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: even though he's dead and like that might make everyone
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: think like his story his dead ended. I think he's hobby.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I think he's the dead guy's younger brother. I also
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: think they're going to eat Shawna's baby. I'm not listening,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: but I did hear someone's going to eat a baby.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna eat Shahna's baby. I think that's
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: what gets them into cannibalism. Jackie, I think obviously is
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: still alive and it's like going to show up at
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the reunion. Even though Lottie put on the dear head
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: dress in this week's episode, I don't think she's the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Dear Queen from the opening of the first episode, I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: think like that was like a red herring. I think
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: maybe it's Shawna and Misty will kill the gay coach.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: There's a gay coach. Yeah, there's a gay coach. So
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: last versions like, if you agree with any of these
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: theories or have thought about them, tag me if you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: have your own theories, would love to hear them. And
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited that we're getting season two. I mean,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know where it's going to go from here,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: but the girls are girls in the show designed with
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you in mind. Today we're talking about the seminal iconic
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: slasher film Scream, just in time for the new Scream Um,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: which is just called Scream. It's literally just called Scream.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's just called the numbers. It's technically Scream five. It's
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Scream five. I guess they're like, well, we've already done
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: so many reboots, so let's just call it Scream. Okay,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: what was your first when you first watch this this movie?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Like where? What did you watch it, like in real
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: time or did you watch it later? Not not real
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: time because I was eight, so he was like a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: little too young, But I definitely watched it as a teenager,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: like pretty young, probably middle school eight year old Rose
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: watching it is not that far off base, though you
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: would as an eight year old. You Know what I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: think could be true though, is I may have watched
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Scary movie first and then wondered what it was making
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: fun of and gone back and watched Scream. Okay, that
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: actually tracks that would that would want me, that would
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: bring me to the source material, to which I mean, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because how do you watch scary movie
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: without the context of having watched Scream? But Scary movie
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: is incredible, so I guess you can enjoy it either way.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I famously don't love like I don't love like um
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: like bro comedies, you know what I mean? Like, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: feel like scary movies kind of like a absurdy kind
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of bro e. I wouldn't call it a bro comedy.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I mean it has on a Ferrist and Regina Hall.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a way his Brothers movie. But it
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: did start the trend of parody film. So like there
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: were obviously all the scary movie movies, and then there
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: was like a disaster movie. There was a movie that
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: was a kind of Twilight parody. Not another teen movie
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: was I actually think not another team movie is great,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and that's the film that gave us Chris Evans. You said,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Wayne brother I feel like maybe on principle, I don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: watch anything wherein the producers are like blank brothers like
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Wayne's brothers. What about the film's studio Warner Brothers, the movies. No, No,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about like the Coen brothers, Like they should
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: all be replaced at the witch House. The witch HOUSEKEI
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: sisters should just do everything they should do. Not another
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: team movie, no comment. Well, let's let's take it back
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to Scream you watched Scream for the first time recently,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: literally last week upon this recording, Um, what did you think?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I okay, okay, it either might chock you or won't
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: shock you at all. That since that this movie has
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: come out twenty five years ago, it has never ever
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: been spoiled to me that Drew Barrymoret dies in the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: first twelve minutes. I had no idea. How is that possible?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I have no idea? And did you? How did you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: not immediately clock that when she was the first person
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to appear in the movie she was going to immediately die.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I thought that, Okay, I kind of knew she was
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: gonna die because people I was watching it with a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: group that we're all like Scream fanatics, and so they
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: were alluding to the fact that she was going to die.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So it was ruined for me kind of like in
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: real time, but like literally before the movie started. Had
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: no idea, and I honestly didn't even remember that she
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: was like in it, but I remember obviously the image
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of her holding the phone is like iconic to me,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But I think maybe mentally actually didn't know what movie
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that even came from. You can't be precious about spoilers
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: for a movie that came out twenty five years ago.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: No, no no, no, I'm not at all. I'm saying I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: shocked that it was never spoiled. To me, honestly, UM,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: maybe that's a testament to, um, how much I am
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in a cultural vacuum sometimes that I had no idea. Um,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I loved it. I think that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore deserves to ask her. I think that she
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: gave the best performance of her life and that that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was like there was it was like truly flawless, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I love learning after that. Um, when they went out
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to Drew, they wanted her to be the main character,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and she read the script and was like, no, no, no,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: this first girl is it? And I don't know, maybe
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it was like do you think it's like a managerial
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: thing about She didn't want to be like shoveled into. No.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I bet she, Well, she was Drew Barrymore. So I'm
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: sure she said, let me do like one day on
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this movie and that's it. Yeah, you know, because you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: shooting at night, I'm sure it's really annoying. So you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: she did like she did two days on set, Max
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and she was out and she's iconic forever because of it,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: so she didn't need to do more. I actually think, well,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: let me not say that Drew Barrymore is more iconically
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: associated with Screen then Nev Campbell, because like then I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: will have a lot of angry people, but just at
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: your door with pitchfork. But I definitely, when you think
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: about Scream, like when you think about its cultural legacy,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: even though she is even though she does not survive
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the first ten minutes of the movie, Drew Barrymore is
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one of the people who was always forever associated with
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the film and the franchise. Just the image of her,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: honestly is Scream to me. Something I have to say.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It's when I was watching the movie, I was obviously stoned,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and I kept I kept calling um the murder. I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: can't remember the murder's name, but I kept calling it
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ghost Face. That's their name, ghost Face, their name. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: kept calling them Scream. I was like, I was like, oh, no,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Scream is coming, and they were like, his name is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: not Scream. I'm sorry, their name is not Scream. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I not to take us on a tangent,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say this is Drew Barrymore's best performance.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You will know what my favorite Drew Barrymore performances ever After? Yes,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that because I am your best friend. Yes, I love
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: ever After, even though Drew Barrymore does a horrible accent
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in it. Um, but it's amazing. Angela Houston is so good.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite Drew Barrymore performance. I actually had never
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: really seen a Drew Barrymore performance until a few years
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: ago when a Drew Barrymore fanatic who I was also
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: sleeping with, cracked me into like all of her movies,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and we watched ever After, We watched all of the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Charlie's Angels, we watched Never Been Kissed. Um, and I think,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, to me, Charlie's Angels, maybe her and Charlie's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Angels too. Honestly, is so canonically Drew, and I think
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that there's a piece of that character in every character
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: she plays. You know what I mean? Well, before she
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: has any character she plays, she is Drew Barrymore. Of course. Um.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: One of her performances that I actually really love that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: she might have won an award for. She did the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Great Gardens Movie with Jessica Lang. Um. There was an
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: HBO film that's based on you know, the documentary, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: she's so good in it as little Eady. I've literally
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: never seen it. Well Trueiform will do an episode on it,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you know, at some point in the future. Okay, Scream.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I love Scream is because
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it's this meta movie. It's a horror movie that's about
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: horror movies, which I did not realize because when I
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: first got into it, I was like, oh, this is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a straightforward slasher. But yeah, the the you know, the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: nerdy character like the film nerd spends the whole movie
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: talking about the rules of horror movies and that is
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: what the whole franchise is built around. And even the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: killers who were unmasked eventually revealed that they've been using
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the archetypes of horror movies, you know, like the virgin
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and then the slut and like the all of those
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to build their narrative. I feel like there, I think
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I just didn't expect the movie to be as like
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: deep as it was. I don't know if deep is
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like the right word, but like it's definitely smart for
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: us a nineties teen slasher movie, yeah exactly. I think
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I just wasn't expected like any other, like you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: horror skeptics out there like me, or people that think
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: like a movie like Scream is not for you, which
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of like where I was at, Like it
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: really like I came away from the movie being like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I actually have like a shifted perspective on the genre,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: like on horror movies because of the commentary within the film,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Like I just thought it was very smart. Um, like
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I just left. I mean them talking about the final
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: girl and them talking about like the motivation of a killer,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and like there were so many just different components of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it where I was like, Oh, this is amazing. Who
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: do you have a favorite final girl in general? Out
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of all horror movies? I mean, um, maybe this is
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: too obvious, but in House of Wax, Harris Hilton does
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: die in Sexy Laundree after getting her achules tendants sliced. Well,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: then she's not a final girl because she doesn't survive. Well, oh, oh,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: is the final girl archetypes someone who the final girl
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: is the girl who? Okay, and the real answer is
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: my favorite final girl is Kyle Richards in Real Housewives
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills as the last one standing in the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: horror that is that franchise. That is a really good answer.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Kyle Richards, Who's you know? Made her comeback in Halloween
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Kills the movie we have not seen because we heard
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it was bad, but we might have by the time
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: this episode comes out. I guess in the pantheon a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: final girls, like you know, Jamie Lee Curtis is, She's it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: She is the blueprint for all these other hos. Trauma.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: It's a movie. It's a film about trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. Um. Yeah,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: she should be in every horror movie. Though. I think
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis should be in most films, and she
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is in most films. She low key is and she's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: in a lot of yo play commercials. Oh no, what's
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the yogurt? Because it's because it's good for your digestion,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it's good for your bones, it's good for your bones
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and for people like Jamie Lee Curtis. So if you
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: relate to Jamie Lee Curtis, you'll love this yogurt anyways. Um, so,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're like first horror movie was,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: but like I was super duper scared of all horror
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: movies growing up. Um, because when you are super duper Christian.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Anything in the horror genre is like brew Headia. It's
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like the Devil. It's like something that's super forbidden or
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: dark or like linked to like a dark spirit, like
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: literally not joking, that's like the framework within like my
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: family was functioning. So the first I didn't see a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: scary movie until I was like sixteen, like fifteen sixteen,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: like I was older, and all my friends by then
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: had seen one, and I had a friend who was
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: obsessed with horror movies. My best friend in fourth grade,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Katie bid Strip. You were low key a bully to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: me but also my best friend, and you were coming
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: for you. Katie a part of a long lineage of
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: best friends who eventually become my bullies. And anyways, that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: felt that felt pointed. I don't know what you're talking about, um,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And she like basically taped my eyes open and made
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: me watch the entire Saw franchise. So are you the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: kind of person who during a scary movie you cover
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: your eyes or Okay, I get that. I used to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: be like that. What I would do when I used
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to watch like are you afraid of the dark? When
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I was a kid, is I would kind of go
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to the door of my room and stand there and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: be kind of half in, half out, so that I could,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, duck out during a really scary part. There's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: this one episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: where there's this jester who's like in a comic book
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and he is blue drool, and it's so scary. I'm
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: so I'm just like really triggered by what you just
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: said because you just made me think of Goose Bumps
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and how that terrorized Goose. It's the scariest thing I've
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: ever watched. I was a child. I was a child,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and I had bully neighbors. There are a lot of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: themes going on at this podcast. Can you detect them? Um?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I had neighbors that lived in my cul deest act.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: There was six and seven, six or seven of them,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and they all like knew I was a fag and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like made me, you know, their immediate victim. And one
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of them had that really scary mask from the first
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Goose Bumps the Haunted Masks episode, the Haunted mask, and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: chased me down the street wearing it like like five
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: five or six blocks until I ran hunt. That is
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: pretty traumatic. Was well, once you started watching scary movies?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Did you gain an appreciation for horror? Do you do
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: you like the action of do you like being afraid
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: when you're in general? Rightfully, after Sawgate, after my best
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: friend Slash Greatest Bully tortured me and made me watch
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: all the song movies, I took a long break, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: then when everyone started talking about get Out, I was like, Okay,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I will go and see that movie. I may be
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: seen a few horror movies in between, but get Out
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: was the first horror movie I willingly watched, and I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: went to the theater alone to go and see it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: because I was just really invested in like the story
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it was going to tell. And even though like I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I personally feel like and maybe horror purists will say,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's not a horror, it's like more of
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a psychological thriller that has like a little horror, But
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I just was so enraptured by the movie for obvious reasons,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but also just the fact that it had deconstructed what
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I thought a horror movie could be. Because I had
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that kind of like stigma that like a lot of people,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you know, think, which is that horror movies are all
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: sensationalism and don't have any like depth at all. Well,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: we're in a kind of golden age of horror right
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: now where horror is like very elevated, um, and we
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: just think about horror movies differently. They still don't at
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the same kind of credit as other types of films. Um.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And I think that's something that Scream like Relish is in,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Like it is not apologizing for being a horror movie
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: or a slasher movie. It's very gleeful about it, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so entertaining. I also love,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you know, the Killers, Like they're very clearly like a
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: gay couple. They are they so are they? There's that
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: one image of them like standing together that always like
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: makes the rounds on Twitter about them like being together.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's fan fiction about them, and I might
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: go actually look them up after we're finished recording today.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: They look like a very specific kind of gay couple.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Like they look like they just they're looking for a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: third Yeah, a third at Spectrum Yeah no not not
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Holy Mountain. No. I think they're a little dirty three
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: dollar bill, three dollar bill, yeah, dollar bill or like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: maybe mood ring and yeah, yeah, mood ring okay, okay, okay,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: um have So now that you've watch Scream, will you
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: be going and watching any of the sequels? Okay? So
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I did, in fact fall asleep to Scream too and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Scream three. So Scream two is Sydneys in college, right,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and there's like a play that she's in, I believe. Well,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it's pretty much every sequel contains a parodied version of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Scream well, right, because then they start making the movies,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: which the Stab series and Scream three is much more
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: about that. Scream three also has Parker Posey, who is amazing.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And so if you haven't watched any of these, the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: gist is there's a movie within a movie, or rather
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a franchise within a franchise, and the one within is
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: called Stab and like Stab two, Stab three, which doesn't
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: have the same kind of ring to it that Scream does,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: but it's really funny, like it's just things like that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It's just it's such a there's such succinct punchlines. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I was reading that um when spoiler alert, Jada pinkeets
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Smith dies in the beginning that she told the director
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that she wanted to have the most gruesome death in
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the history of horror movies like she said that, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to the director. Good for her. Honestly, it wasn't that gruesome.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: The movies do get increasingly meta as they go on.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Scream Scream For has Emma Roberts in it, and spoiler alert,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: she's well, she's Sydney's cousin, and you find out, like
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: towards the end of the movie that she is one
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of the killers and she's been engineering this whole thing
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to make herself into a victim so that she can
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: be as famous as Sydney Prescott. But you know, obviously
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: she fails at the end. And I actually think it's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: one of the best of the screams um And also
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Hayden Penny Tier isn't it And she has a very
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: gay haircut. And I don't understand why her character in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the movie isn't her name's Kirby. I don't get why
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: she's Kirby is such a lesbian. Get why she's not
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: just gay? She should play gay in general? Like Hidden Penetier,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I absolutely would stand. Okay, I think that the question
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: on the tip of all of our virgins, like tongues
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is um. It was screamed for the one where Gail
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Weather's debuted her turf Bangs. No, that was Scream three
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: is when turf Bangs became a thing. Wow? Was she
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: also like holding a copy of like um, a Robert
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Gale Braith novel. Nev Campbell did kind of set herself
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: up as a Scream queen by starring in this movie.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I think this was before The Craft, which also iconic. Well,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: also you made me watch Yeah, well, no, we didn't
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: watch The Craft. We watched to the sequel to The Craft.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: No we didn't. Yeah, we did the one that came
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: out last year, but you have you have still never
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: seen the original Craft movie. Oh my god, and the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Craft and the Craft two is bad. Yeah, the reboot
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: was really bad, and I mean yeah, I really wanted
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to like it because of the trans character. Yeah there's
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a trans character, but she was. We love her. But
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it's not a good movie. It's not a good movie
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and it will never be. It's no one will ever
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: be for a balk. You better take some notes from
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the real rebootmakers, like um The Witches starring and hat
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Away Rose damnus favorite movie. It's not a favorite favorite,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: but it is. I do enjoy it a lot. In
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: we can't talk about Scream without answering the question that
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: ghost Face poses. What's your favorite scary movie? Like scary movies? Um,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: what is your favorite scary movie? Friends? I don't know
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: if I am if I've consumed enough horror to like
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: maybe have a favorite. Um, but I will remember Hereditary
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: until I die. And And but the thing is, and
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I think this is like similar to maybe not your answer,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people I know I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: have a similar experience of like, I'm not sure I'm
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: going to remember it because I like loved watching it.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna remember it because I was traumatized
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: all the way through. But I do think that there's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: something like the fact that I was so like kind
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of viscerally shaken. It's just a testament how well it
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was done. My old apartment in New York had very
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: tall ceilings, and after seeing Hereditary, I always thought that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Tony Collette was up there hovering on the ceiling. It's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: an image that will never leave me, that her like swimming.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You know, now when I watch horror movies, I can
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: watch them and and kind of make myself less scared
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and be take myself out of it and say, like
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that's just an actor, you know whatever. Um, but not
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: with Hereditary. Not with Hereditary. But it's not not my
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's my favorite scary movie. My favorite
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: scary movie is definitely The Shining. It's one of my
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: favorite films. Haven't yet And actually, during the beginning of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, when we were really in lockdown, I decided
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it was a good time to finally read The Shining,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: which is literally about people being locked inside a hotel.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I did that to myself. Um,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the book is a lot different than the film, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I actually really enjoyed it and it kind of enriched
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: my experience of the movie. And um, there's also no
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a sequel film to it, Doctor Sleep, which is based
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: on the sequel that Stephen King wrote. And Stephen King
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: famously like doesn't like The Shining movie because, yeah, because
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: it's very different than the book. And I think he
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: said something along the lines of, you know, it's a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: great art film, but it's not really like a great
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: adaptation of the book. And I think that's true to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a point because The Shining is so beautiful, um, and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the book is like a lot more layered, you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: most books are when you talk about movie adaptations, but
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Dr Sleep does a really good job of going of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: minding what happens in the Shining novel and merging it
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: with the movie adaptation in a really beautiful way. Um.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And I also love Rebecca Ferguson, who plays the villain
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: in the movie. Um. I have never seen The Shining,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: as I said, UM, but I'm not much for like
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: a Jack Nicholson vehicle. But maybe, I mean, maybe that's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: for shallow reasons because he just always plays like you.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But what about Oh, she's amazing, you need to watch
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: The Shining. Um. I also have to say with Stephen
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: King's books, love love the guy. Well, actually we don't.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Didn't wasn't he the person on Twitter that like basically
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: said that like white privilege doesn't exist or something like that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: You know, Stephen King is actually the first adult novel
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I ever read was carry I was at the library
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: when I was in I want to say fourth grade,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and I saw Carrie on the shelf and I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: maybe liked the book cover and picked it up and
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: read it at far too young of an age. Was
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: very impressionable, so much about you, and it did really
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: set the scene I love. I love the Carry film,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the Brian to Palma film. Did you like the reboot
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: with Cloud? Grace Marts never seen it and Julianne Moore
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: never seen it. It was honestly not terrible. What I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: did not like is the Rage Carry Too, which came
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: out in the early two thousands, and there's one scene
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: in which the um, the girl, the main character who
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: is like the Carry character, kills people by having making
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: CDs fly at them and cut them with her mind.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: What yeah, that's I mean, I still kind of want
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to watch it. That sounds camp. A recent horror movie
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that has become one of my favorite movies definitely is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: in now. I would say my top ten favorite films
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: is Suspiria two, the remake of the of the like
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: iconic horror film um and I just I love it
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: so much, A film I had to turn off at.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: You know the part that you probably know what I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: talking about. It's a very disgusting. Oh the scene we're
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: within the dance studio where she gets torn up. Watch
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Dakoda Johnson. Oh my god, Dacoda Johnson isn't that movie?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: And she looks Dakoda Johnson until the Swinton. Also Chloe
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Grace Martze's in it. Oh, of course. One question I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: have to bring this all back is why is Scream
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: five or Scream Screme? Why is it coming out in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: January because it's a winter movie. Maybe they're trying to
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: get into that shining slot because the Shining is not
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like a Halloween movie. It's like a winter movie. Yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: but I you usually do watch it during Halloween season. Really,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but I actually guess I would feel comfortable watching it
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: like kind of any time. Maybe, right, it's Chile in January,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: in January, I will watch the Shining. Yeah, that's it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: What about Scream other than Drew Barrymore is Bob makes
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: it like a kind of gay cult classic because it's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it's camp. It's just pure. It's pure camp it is,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and camp that is and it's self aware exactly, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: as they say, or as the definition of camp goes.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: The two definitions of camp are in like camp in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: its purest form where it doesn't know it's camp, like
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Mommy Dearest or Um or Judy Garland. And then camp
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that is highly aware of itself, like that like Scream
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: or RuPaul people bleep, not the which actually makes sense
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that Scream is camp because when I almost went to
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the camp met Gala, I was thinking of going as
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Gail Weathers from Scream in her lime green skirt suit,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: which would have been so good. It would have been
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: so good. But I don't know if people would have
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: like automatically gotten the reference they don't need to, because
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I think it would have been kind of immediately like
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: they don't need to. They would have just been like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: who's that bitch in the lime green skirt with the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: turf banks, with the turf banks on like a comically
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: big microphone, comically big. I I do love how I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: see myself in Gail Weathers in that um. She will
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: celebrate herself at all costs totally, and she is extremely
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: callous and all she's trying to do is get that story,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that story, even if she has to fabric kate it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I love in Scary Movie, the Gail Weather's characters played
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: by Ryo Terry from Saturday Night Live, and there's one
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: scene at the beginning where she is reporting live in
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: front of the school and says, you know, there there's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a like rampage that's left four teens dead, and uh,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: like teenager tried starts bothering her, and she just pulls
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a gun out and shoots him and turns back to
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the camera. Goes five teams dead. No, so good. You
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: have to watch scary movie. I probably want. I'm not
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: gonna lie, but so funny. What I want to know
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: is what news site do you think Gale Withers would
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: write for? In Huffington Post period down. The Huffington Post
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a video budget. First of all, um, the Federalist.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Oh no, well, what's the one? It's not Newsweek, it's um,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the New York Post. No, no, the New York Post.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Actually yeah, or like the Daily Beast, The Times, the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Daily Atlantic. It's Michael barbar Do you want to know
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: do you want to hear my Michael Barbaro impression? I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: don't actually know who that is. Michael Barbarro is the
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: host of The Daily. Oh I forgot that. You famously
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: have never listened to a podcast, not even this one.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: So everyone listening to this podcast knows The Daily because
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: they list into the podcast. And The Daily is the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: most famous podcast in the world. It's like the Annointies podcast.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Michael never heard of it, so it can't be that
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Famie Michael Barbarrow and this is the Daily. Do you
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: think that was good? Well, according to your impression, he's no.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Gail Weathers. No, I mean Gail Gail Weathers should host
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: The Daily, is what we're saying. Have you noticed in
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: recent years that I think this the ghost face mask
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: from Scream has been claimed by gay guys as like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: something very horny. Yeah, I've watched a lot of Scream
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: horn there's yeah, there's a lot of porn of people
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: wearing the Scream mask. I have a friend who has
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a tattoo of like a hot naked guy wearing the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: ghost face mask with a knife on his thigh. Oh
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: my god, that's kind of cool. Actually, I the drag
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: show that I saw that had that, you know, it
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: was like a Scream tribute show. When they revealed the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: final Scream, the final Scream. His name is Son, his
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: name is Scream. And when they finally revealed screaming like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: took first he like disrobed and he was wearing like
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a leather jockstrap and then he took off his mask
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and it was just like this hot guy with like
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: blood dripping out of his mouth. And yeah, it was
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it was incredible. Ghost face doesn't drink blood. Scream definitely
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: drinks blood. First of all, yes he does, Segnal. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: also didn't know that Screams Mask wasn't his name. Isn't
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: realized that Screams Mask wasn't invented by the movie. It
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: existed before the movie. It was like a generic Halloween costume.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Did you know that? I did not know that. That's crazy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: They took like, do you think that someone else owns
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the rights to like Screams Face. No, Scream definitely owns
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: the right to ghost face. Right, how have you ever
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: worn a ghost face mask? I actually can't wear a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Halloween mask of any kind because of as we said
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, ghost bumps in the Haunted Mask, Because
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: isn't the conceit of that episode just like a child
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: wears the Haunted Mask and all of a sudden he
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: became it will like it won't come off a month, Yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it won't come off and he becomes like a psycho
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: killer or whatever. That is like literally my fear every
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: time we wear a mask in fact, that it's going
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to mold to your face and face and then I
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: will become a psycho killer. Yes, I'm just that sounds
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: kind of fun, though, I'm sure it sounds like for you.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Who needs a mask emblematic of this thing that I
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: experienced When I was seven or eight, My um best
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: friend let me like hand me down his Darth Vader
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: costume um that I so I could wear it for Halloween.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And I tried it on and looked in the mirror
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and was so scared that I had to take it
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: off and be something else by Darth Vader. Yeah, it
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: was really scared of Darth Vader, and like, well, just
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: know it wasn't actually Darth Vader himself. It was looking
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: in the mirror and seeing seven year old me as
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Darth Vader and being petrified of the monster I had become.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Even though it's not Halloween. What is your best ever
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Halloween costume? Uh? Okay, wait, come back to me. What
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: was yours? Well, famously, I am really bad at Halloween costumes.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I don't like them. I like unless the idea, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: strikes me, and even then I just like never execute them. Well,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: but in recent years I've had two that I liked,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: which were Ms Piggy and Old Rose from Titanic, And
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I think for me, a Halloween costume what I want
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: it to be is like kind of funny, and it
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: has to be instantly recognizable and like it gets it,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: like gets the assignment. Like I don't ever want to
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: have to explain my costume to someone. My prerequisites for
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Halloween costumes are that it needs to be sexy. But
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be I'm never gonna like wear a
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: jock strap, you know, like as like a costume. Like
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not that bad, but I do want it to be,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like I want to look kind of sexy. So maybe
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: my best Halloween well, I don't know if I have
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the best Halloween costume, but I had a really sick
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: angel costume, like and I had these giant like angel
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: wings that I had to like go through the door
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: sideways in order to like you know, go into any room.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And I covered myself in like gold paint, and it
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: looked really sick. And I just like I can never
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: build up the energy to think of Halloween costumes like you,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And so I was that angel like for the next
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: four years, over the next half four Halloween. Yeah, I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: think maybe that's what I have to do, is just
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like decide that Old Rose and are my two Halloween costumes,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and that's what I do every year. You honestly could
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: wear a super duper cute outfit and then just the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: pick knows and everyone would know exactly who you are,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I feel like that's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: all you All you need is like the nose, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: then you can just kind of be like cut I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: either need to be like have a have a good
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: costume like that, or like I'm wearing black and I'm
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: just spooky. Yeah, I'm wearing black and I'm just so
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: But that's okay. That's actually a really annoying phenomenon at
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Halloween parties when everyone's like, so what are you? It's like, well,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't immediately, if you don't immediately get it,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: like I don't really want to explain it to you, dude.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: So this is all great advice for you virgins when
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Halloween comes around in nine more months, because it's January, right,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Has Scream inspired you to watch more scary movies? Not
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Scream specifically? I think that like as we said earlier,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like Jordan Peel and Ariaster and those folks um or
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like The Witch, or I loved Invisible Man like this,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like class Invisible Man was really good. Okay, wait, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know that you saw it because everyone I know
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: hated it. I watched it. I watched it when it
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: was on demand, you know, like in early Quarantine. I
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: saw it in theaters. That was like the last the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: movie that came out before COVID. I think it was
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the last movie I saw before. But it was really
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I mean it had like three or four endings, like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: it was a long movie. But it was really good. Emma,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Emma Moss. Elizabeth Moss should be in a lot of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was amazing. She stole a show in US.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I didn't love Us. Yeah, I didn't
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: think it was amazing, but I loved Elizabeth Moss in it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe she has like maybe the kind of like um,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the the way that scientology has like warped her brain
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: makes her like better at those kinds of roles or
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, she's dealt with real life horror. Yeah,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: exactly in a way that many people have not. If
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you were in a horror movie frohim, what is the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: archetype that you would fulfill? I I mean I feel
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like I would die. I think I could really really
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: eat and drew Barrymore esque kind of like death that
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: like sets the tone for the rest of the movie.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And I also see myself as dying and then you
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people being affected by it. So
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: you're the person who dies first, and then there's a
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: candlelight vigil for you at the school. They're playing dancing
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Queen by Aba. They've got peonies. So you're gay in
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the movie. Also, well, they're not. No one's gonna cast
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: me as like a heterosexual, you know what I mean,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna like walk into the hormone and
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: be like, hey guys, I'm just here with my girlfriend Cindy,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like like I just
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know any casting agent would be like, no,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: let's get darn Chris for the rule, you know what
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I mean. Okay, so you're you're the cameo star who
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: does two nights sunset Max Max um but still is
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: on the press tour. Yes, still is on the press tour,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: still in the poster even maybe oh definitely on the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: post during the post Okay, okay, okay, um. And then
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: maybe I also see um a really bad like flashback
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: or memory for me, something that like the main character
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: has to like, you know, go back in time and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: have this like you know, there's a memory of us
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: together and like a I don't know, like a rowboat
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: or or it turns out that you like when they're
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out who the killer is, you have
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: some you have some connection to them, and like a
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: big part of the middle chunk of the movie is
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: them trying to figure out why you were killed, and
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like you were the killing. Like maybe the
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: reason they're trying to figure out why it's because the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: main character is maybe some gay man who should be
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: cast It would have to be. Anyways, what I was
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: going to say is the main character is maybe some
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: closeted gay man who's having an affair with me and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: then I die at the beginning, and he is trying to,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: without disclosing his queerness, solve my murder. Why does he
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: have to be closeted? If we've learned this period film,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: if we learned anything from gay movies, well we all
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: saw Happiest Season, a movie that felt like it was
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: made in two thousand two. Um. But anyways, I'm glad
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the Murderer so that we can now hop
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: onto where you come in in the movie, So how
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: do you kill everybody? Do you think you're right? I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: would be the killer, but no, it would be it
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: would be a fake out because I would be the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: sort of like snarky, um, like mean girl or like
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: somewhere somewhere in there who has a big death scene
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I want to say in the third act of the film.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: But you never see me actually die. And so when
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: like I have like a partner who's like my Patsy
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and it seems like they're the killer, and then they
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: die and I walk out of the shadows, I've been
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: the killer the whole time. Sick. Okay, Okay, there's an
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: added layer to this. I feel that. Um, well, okay,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I'm presuming that your character is trans but like I no, no,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I don't want to where, no where in this movie.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I'm the closet. No, we're cut cutting that cutting that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Um what I was kind of saying, No, that's funny,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: let's leave it in. What I was gonna say. What
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say was that I don't want to foreclose.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I think you, as a transactories should be able to
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: play assist gen or characters. However, let's say, let's say,
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  Speaker 1: if your character was trans. The whole reason no one
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: suspected you is because, let's say it's like hyper contemporary film,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: they don't want to get canceled, you know how, like
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: there's this thing, yeah exactly, because they're like, oh, exactly,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: there's a thing. Actually, there's a very big thing happening.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: We're in Sometimes marginalized people are kind of just straight
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: up bad, but we don't say anything because we don't
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: want to be like you know, and I think that
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: means so my my villain character plays off of that. Yeah,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: and your and and there's actually a lot of really
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: obvious evidence that I'm the killer, and like people keep
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: wanting to bring it up in the score swells, and
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I just kind of give them a look like oh really,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And then it's just like, well, I guess can't be herd.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's a point at maybe there's a point where
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the gay guy is like actually does accuse you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: where the kid actually does the gay guy who's the
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: like the by beard who's in love with me, um
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: actually does accuse you? And and you're like, um, it's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: actually a really dangerous and stigmatizing trope for like trans
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: vengeance to be injected and these narratives blah blah blah,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: and then at the end you're like, I am actually avenging. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I want to have any sort of
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: like high brow, like restorative justice type reason to be
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: killing people. I think I just want to be a
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: murderer love. Actually, I think the gay guys in Scream
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: say that, like they don't really have a reason other
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: than that they just want to kill people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Well let's make this movie Love is Love coming to
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  Speaker 1: a theater near you. Love wins. Love wins because my
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: killer does survive at the and there's no like, yeah,
• 57:01
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