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Paul Spain: Gorilla Technology CEO on Nvidia's CEO claiming AI has matched human capability · Best of Business

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  Speaker 2: One of the world's biggest AI bosses now says AI
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  Speaker 2: has matched human capability. NVIDIA's CEO, Jensen Huang, says ChatGPT's
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  Speaker 2: latest model, which is known as Astra, is so impressive
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  Speaker 2: that we've reached the landmark of AGI, or Artificial General Intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: Paul Spain is a futurist, and he's the CEO also
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  Speaker 2: at Guerrilla Technology. And with us, hi, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, how are you doing, Heather?
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  Speaker 2: I'm well, thanks, mate. Are you convinced that we've reached AGI?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the short answer is no. I think you've got
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  Speaker 3: to look at this through the lens of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: who is Jensen? What's his role? And, you know, he
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  Speaker 3: runs the biggest company on the planet, and their role
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  Speaker 3: is to sell the hardware that makes AI possible. And
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  Speaker 3: that only happens if we keep getting excited and hyped
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  Speaker 3: about where it's going. That's how his share price stays high.
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  Speaker 3: That's how open AI works. and anthropic end up having
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  Speaker 3: sort of big IPOs. So I think this is part
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  Speaker 3: of trying to keep it exciting and hype for people,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not sure we've reached what I would call
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  Speaker 3: artificial general intelligence just yet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He had a big palaver about a fruit fly's brain.
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  Speaker 2: Did you understand that and how that led us to
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  Speaker 2: understand that AGI was here?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, I didn't. I've listened to a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: the things that he said. I didn't go into that one.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, he's given, I guess, some interesting examples. He
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  Speaker 3: talked about AI being able to build a billion-dollar business,
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  Speaker 3: but that it would have zero chance of building and
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  Speaker 3: running a business like NVIDIA on an ongoing basis. So
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  Speaker 3: we've talked for a long time around artificial narrow intelligence,
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  Speaker 3: and that's kind of been the norm, the world that
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  Speaker 3: we've been in over recent years. And I think what's
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  Speaker 3: happening is we've got a range of these narrow artificial
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  Speaker 3: intelligences available within platforms, you know, such as OpenAI's new
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  Speaker 3: GPT-6 model. But they're just kind of wired and linked together.
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  Speaker 3: You don't actually have a I guess, a true brain
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  Speaker 3: that can think across all areas of domains and really
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  Speaker 3: operate like a human. And so, to me, we're not
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  Speaker 3: there yet. One thing that would give me confidence that
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  Speaker 3: we were there is any one of us could delegate
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  Speaker 3: our job to an AI to look after while we
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  Speaker 3: go on holiday for a week. I don't think there's
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  Speaker 3: probably virtually anybody on the planet that can say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I could do, you know, at least, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: half quality version of their work, you know, like that.
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  Speaker 3: There's just so many gaps in the technology right now.
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  Speaker 2: Paul, I just don't believe that's ever going to happen. Like,
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  Speaker 2: this feels like the Jetsons crap. You know, we've been
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  Speaker 2: doing this forever, haven't we? Saying that this wonderful thing
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen in the future and it never
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  Speaker 2: really does. Do you ever believe, do you believe this
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  Speaker 2: will ever happen?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I used to say no. Even a year ago,
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  Speaker 3: I thought artificial general intelligence, this is science fiction and
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  Speaker 3: it will never come. But the more I watch the
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  Speaker 3: progress and see the improvements, the more open I am
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  Speaker 3: to the possibility that things get really flipped on their head.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a big journey to do it. It's not
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  Speaker 3: just about the technology. It's around, you know, how businesses
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  Speaker 3: and organizations work that technology into transforming themselves. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is not something that happens in five minutes. That's
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Paul. Hey, thank you, man. Appreciate it as always.
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  Speaker 2: It's Paul Spain, futurist and CEO at Guerrilla Technology.
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