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Credlin | 28 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Quit e Big, Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight. Labor opening the floodgates to asylum seekers yet again.
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Speaker 2: Thousands of family members from the Rudd and Gillard era
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Speaker 2: of voter arrivals now granted visas also to come to Australia,
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Speaker 2: meaning they've eventually got what they paid the people smugglers
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Speaker 2: for Opposition Immigration Minister Dan Tee and joins me tonight.
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Speaker 2: It's concerns grow that Labour's given up on border protection.
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Speaker 2: Security experts down the alarm about a new Chinese backed
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence program full of communist propaganda that's already got
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Speaker 2: a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Interest in the West.
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Speaker 2: Plus labor stored EV tax that threatens a massive budget
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Speaker 2: black hole, as if our power bills were high enough too.
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Speaker 2: Concern that new smart meters are ripping us.
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Speaker 3: Off as well.
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Speaker 2: Plus live to Poland as the world remembers eighty years
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Speaker 2: on since the liberation of Auschwitz. However, not everyone seems
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Speaker 2: to understand their significance. One broadcaster refusing to reference a
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Speaker 2: crucial detail about the Holocaust. You won't believe it, I'll
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Speaker 2: show you that a bit later on, and as the
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Speaker 2: young men flocked the poalition in the latest polls.
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Speaker 3: Now, that's interesting, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's off to w way as the battle over
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Speaker 2: energy policy eats up.
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Speaker 4: Well, we're not even at the end of this term,
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Speaker 4: and for the last couple of months the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: has been talking about what the second term of an
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Speaker 4: Albanez's government would look like, when nobody can tell you
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Speaker 4: what they've achieved over the first term.
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Speaker 2: The first more evidence today that Labor is soft on borders.
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Speaker 2: It's bad enough the people who came here illegally by
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Speaker 2: vote under Labor have largely ended up staying permanently in Australia,
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Speaker 2: but it's even worse that they're now being rewarded by
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Speaker 2: being allowed to bring in their extended family as well.
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Speaker 2: That's what's happening under the Albanzy government. As reported when
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Speaker 2: use limited papers today, large numbers of the fifty thousand
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Speaker 2: illegal boat people who arrived under the Gillard and Rudd
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Speaker 2: governments have been given what amounts to permanent residency by
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Speaker 2: the Albanzy government. A twenty twenty three rule change has
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Speaker 2: enabled some nineteen thousand former boat people all on the
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Speaker 2: old temporary protection visa to apply for what's now called
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Speaker 2: a resolution of status visa. And that's a significant percentage
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Speaker 2: of boat people who came illegally under Labor and then
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Speaker 2: lodged refugee claims, many of which were knocked back because
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Speaker 2: tribunals and courts found they were not refugees. But they
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Speaker 2: either refused to go or kept appealing their case, and eventually,
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Speaker 2: as the people smugglers promised would happen, Labour rolled over,
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Speaker 2: with the end result being that people on these resolved
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Speaker 2: status visas were able to bring all of their relatives
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Speaker 2: to Australia. So far under this Labor government, more than
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Speaker 2: two thousand permanent visas have been granted to the partners
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Speaker 2: and family of people who arrived illegally by boat under
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Speaker 2: the last Labor government. Not only did they come here
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Speaker 2: illegally in the first place, but now having done the
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Speaker 2: wrong thing, that been rewarded by Labor with the right
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Speaker 2: to bring their family here. It's why getting just one
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Speaker 2: person illegally to Australia is the endgame, because if they
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Speaker 2: manage to get here, it opens the door to all
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Speaker 2: their immediate and then their extended family and it goes on.
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Speaker 2: It's precisely the outcome the people smugglers sold them, precisely
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Speaker 2: the outcome they paid the criminals for, and precisely the
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Speaker 2: outcome they get under Anthony Albanesi. It's yet another sign
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Speaker 2: that this government's weak on border protection and ambivalent about
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Speaker 2: whether to insist on Australian control of our orders or
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Speaker 2: to be all bleeding hearted about not saying no to
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Speaker 2: people gate crashing their way into our country. After the
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Speaker 2: Avid government stopped the boats in early twenty fourteen, there
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Speaker 2: were virtually none no illegal arrivals by boat under the
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Speaker 2: former coalition government. Now, understandably, given Labour's record, the people
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Speaker 2: smugglers immediately tested the resolve of the Prime minister. So far,
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Speaker 2: more than two dozen illegal boats have set out on
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi's watch now to its credit, so far, the
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Speaker 2: governments quickly packed these new arrivals back off to their
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Speaker 2: home country or to offshore processing in Niru. But while
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Speaker 2: it's been reasonably tough on the water, it's been totally
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Speaker 2: soft towards people in Australia have got no right.
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Speaker 3: To stay here.
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Speaker 2: There was the disaster last year of the mass release
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Speaker 2: of foreign criminals from immigration detention, many of whom who
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Speaker 2: went on to commit new crimes, murderers, Charlton offenders, men
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Speaker 2: convicted of violent assault. Then there's a three thousand tourist
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Speaker 2: visas handed out to people from Gaza, the terrorist controlled warzone,
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Speaker 2: many with our proper security checks, and the majority now
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Speaker 2: who will never go back because they've been allowed by
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Speaker 2: this labor government to apply to stay here permanently. And
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Speaker 2: now this news today today, Opposition front bench at James
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Speaker 2: Patterson sounded the alarm bell.
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Speaker 5: I think this might sort of turn on the green
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Speaker 5: light for the people smugglers again, or is it just
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Speaker 5: like a one off historical issue.
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Speaker 1: This is exactly what I'm worried about, Tom.
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Speaker 2: For those on these new visas and the ability to
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Speaker 2: be able to bring in their relatives as permanent residents,
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Speaker 2: their own residency and their own citizenship will be almost automatic.
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Speaker 2: So while it's been a long wait, they've got what
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Speaker 2: they wanted, the right to remain here forever, by not
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Speaker 2: doing the right thing and applying the way that most
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Speaker 2: of our migrants do, but by paying people smugglers instead
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Speaker 2: to jump the queue. It's a dreadful signal to send
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Speaker 2: to the vast numbers of people all around the world
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Speaker 2: that come here if they could, and especially to the
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Speaker 2: ten thousand or so said to be still waiting in
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Speaker 2: Java to our north for their chance to get a
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Speaker 2: seat on a people smuggling boat. Peter Dutton predicted this
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Speaker 2: is exactly what would happen under Labor back in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two.
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Speaker 4: Promise you they will rue the day that they do
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Speaker 4: that it will be a disaster. When they say that
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Speaker 4: they support Operation Sovereign Boarders, they don't. They support their
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Speaker 4: own version, which doesn't have temporary protection visas, and that
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Speaker 4: will be their undoing.
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Speaker 2: We need a government that commands respect, not one that
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Speaker 2: could give in at any time and often does, in
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Speaker 2: part because they don't actually believe in sovereign borders and
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Speaker 2: the right of a country to say no, and partly
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Speaker 2: because Labour thinks giving here will mean that these people
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Speaker 2: will vote for them in the future. Now, lots changed
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Speaker 2: in Australia over the past twenty four years, but not
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Speaker 2: the public's support for this.
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Speaker 6: We will decide who comes to this country and the
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Speaker 6: circumstances in which they come.
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Speaker 3: Not wrong, mister Howard.
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Speaker 2: Another reason why we need an election sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 2: All right, We've got a camper now for the headlines
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Speaker 2: Scandieth political reporter cam Redlyn Good evening.
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Speaker 5: Despite the trade tariffs and diplomatic deep freeze in endured
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Speaker 5: under Scott Morrison, Peter Dutton believes the Coalition can now
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Speaker 5: work constructively with China.
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Speaker 4: The relationship with China will be much stronger than it
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Speaker 4: is under the Urbanza government. We want there to be
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Speaker 4: mutual respect in the relationship, which is incredibly important.
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Speaker 5: Over twenty billion dollars in trade tariffs were imposed on
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Speaker 5: Australia during the Morrison government and its ministers placed in
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Speaker 5: a diplomatic deep freeze.
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Speaker 7: It's hard to imagine anything that Peter Dutton could constructively
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Speaker 7: contribute to Australia's relationships in the region.
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Speaker 8: Their own.
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Speaker 5: Dropping in for a kuppa in color Munda, the opposition
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Speaker 5: leader Sprooks his signature small business plan, allowing tax breaks
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Speaker 5: of up to twenty thousand dollars full long lunches.
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Speaker 9: The local builder.
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Speaker 3: Come to your The new.
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Speaker 5: Electorate of Bullwinkle in Perth's Eastern Suburbs, is a three
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Speaker 5: cornered contest, with Labor, National and Liberal candidates all contesting
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Speaker 5: Both leaders see w Way as vital to their election prospects,
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Speaker 5: having made almost fifty visits between them this term.
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Speaker 4: If we can change some of these seats over, I
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Speaker 4: think we can win the election.
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Speaker 5: Quarterly inflation data to be released on Wednesday will mark
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Speaker 5: a crucial juncture in the government's fight against the cost
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Speaker 5: of living.
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Speaker 7: Any headline inflation number with a two in front of
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Speaker 7: it will show that inflation has more than halved since
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Speaker 7: we came to office.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Oh we've got it busy few months ahead, haven't we.
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Speaker 2: For the first time in twenty twenty five. That's welcome
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Speaker 2: back to Sky News Clitical editor Andrew Clenell. I'm glad
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Speaker 2: to see you're rested and raring to go. Andrew. Let's
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Speaker 2: talk about where we're up to in this unofficial campaign.
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Speaker 2: I mean clearly it's on. They're criss crossing the nation.
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Speaker 2: They all got back early from the Christmas break. What
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Speaker 2: are you hearing about it a potential election date?
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Speaker 3: Do you still think it'll be May?
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Speaker 1: I think it'd be May or April probably. I think
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Speaker 1: more April. After my discussion with the Prime Minister on
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Speaker 1: the weekend where he keep saying the budget schedule, the
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Speaker 1: budget schedule. He didn't say it was happening. So the
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Speaker 1: only window I see there because you can't really criscrossover
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Speaker 1: the WA election. That's just going to annoy WA voters
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Speaker 1: too much when the government needs to retain their seats.
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Speaker 1: There is a nineteen ninety three style approach where Paul
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Speaker 1: Keating the day after the WA election called an election,
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Speaker 1: you could call it March nine, has to have it
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Speaker 1: then April twelve, because April nineteen is Easter. April twenty
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Speaker 1: five is Anzac Day. If he doesn't go for that,
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Speaker 1: he has to do the budget and then he has
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Speaker 1: to go May three or ten. People say seventeen, but
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. So that they're the dates we're
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Speaker 1: looking at. It's pretty clear, and perhaps the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: decision will play into this. If they get a rate
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Speaker 1: cut in February, which are people in the government thinks
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty, you'd be more inclined to go in April.
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Speaker 1: There's a Reserve Bank meeting in April. If the indications
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Speaker 1: are from the Reserve Bank that there could be a
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Speaker 1: rate cut in April, maybe you'd hang on.
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Speaker 2: I still think they will not deliver a budget it's
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Speaker 2: due on the twenty fifth of March.
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Speaker 3: I've held that view consistently.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens your point there on the inflation
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Speaker 2: data will see that tomorrow. It'll feed in a course
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Speaker 2: to any RBA decision on the cash rate, and that
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Speaker 2: will be material, obviously to the timing for the strategists
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Speaker 2: in camera if we do get a rate cut. I
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Speaker 2: know there's strategist in labor saying fifty to fifty. Some
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Speaker 2: of the banking types out there today are saying is
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Speaker 2: high eighty percent likely we'll get some sort of cut.
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Speaker 2: In political terms, one cut, if we got one cut
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Speaker 2: in February, is that enough to turn things around for labor.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's enough to stop them getting big. I reckon
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Speaker 1: the way the polls are, I don't think they're going
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Speaker 1: to hit majority no matter what. Let's start with that.
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Speaker 1: I think as things stand, it's quite likely that neither
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Speaker 1: party will hit seventy seats. Imagine that that hasn't happened
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Speaker 1: before in modern times. But that's what we're looking at.
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Speaker 1: But I think it would assist labor in terms of
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Speaker 1: forming government, getting enough seats to form government, because they'd
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Speaker 1: be able to say, look, we've been through these tough
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Speaker 1: times returning the corner, and that's why they'd want to
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Speaker 1: pretty soon after that rate cup before people realize it's
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Speaker 1: probably the only one for a long time.
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Speaker 2: He is so confident. You know, I don't get the sense,
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Speaker 2: well you reading the polls, he's in trouble. It's been
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Speaker 2: an absolute trend for the Prime Minister against him and
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Speaker 2: for Labor. But I don't get any sense that he's
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Speaker 2: doing what's needed to turn the ship around him. Jeff
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Speaker 2: Chalmers Chambers I think wrote in the Odds today that
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Speaker 2: he has this enormous self confidence a prime minister, in
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Speaker 2: his campaigning prowess and his popularity. But I reckon he's delusional.
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Speaker 2: Andrew is a shocker of a campaigner last election.
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Speaker 1: I think it's optimistic in the extreme. Those people in
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Speaker 1: the government believe they win majority. I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Does a leader in this circumstance
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Speaker 1: have to convince themselves that they're fine and they're flying
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Speaker 1: and they're going to get there. Maybe there's an element
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Speaker 1: of that in it. I think both leaders think they're
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Speaker 1: going to win. That indicates how tight a campaign it
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Speaker 1: is and Peter Dutton's hopefully can get their majority government.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge ask, but he feels the trend is
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Speaker 1: his friend. But what would worry me on the coalition
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Speaker 1: side is they seem just short. They seem just short
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Speaker 1: of that mark that they need. Now, whether they can
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Speaker 1: just time it at the right time through a strong
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Speaker 1: campaign and pull a couple of points their way to
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Speaker 1: hit towards that majority or at least seventy three seats,
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Speaker 1: let's see. But I think you know, if there's a
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Speaker 1: sign that the government is pretty worried, it's just as
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Speaker 1: a small thing. It might sound a bit tripe, but
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Speaker 1: and I've revealed it this week. The fact that Albaneze
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Speaker 1: didn't go to the Sydney Test, which all pms go
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Speaker 1: to in recent times, and he didn't go to the
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Speaker 1: Australian Open when he absolutely loves tennis and it is
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Speaker 1: a must for him every year tells you everything you
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Speaker 1: need to know. They just felt that he couldn't be
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Speaker 1: at those events get booed, getting to that whole scenario
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Speaker 1: of Aye, you're just there for the freebies, you're not
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Speaker 1: there for us, and just adding to that narrative of
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Speaker 1: he's on the way out so I think that was
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Speaker 1: a pretty telling sign and I think it's all going
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Speaker 1: to be pretty willing. I think both of these guys
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Speaker 1: are fighters. But yeah, Albanese, he is going to have
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Speaker 1: to have a better campaign than he had last time.
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Speaker 1: And one thing he did okay at last time though,
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Speaker 1: was the debates, and this guy needs people's for him
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Speaker 1: at a time when he tripped up over the unemployment
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Speaker 1: rate with me. So it is those kind of set
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Speaker 1: piece events that are going to matter a lot, and
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Speaker 1: Albanese is going to be the underdog in those because
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Speaker 1: all Peter Dutton has to do is point to the
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Speaker 1: inflation figures and the fact that very few Australians are
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Speaker 1: better off after three years.
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Speaker 2: I'll go back to the point you made there about
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Speaker 2: you know, it's a massive ask for the opposition.
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Speaker 3: This feels to me very much like twenty ten.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's say that they go to a poll in
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Speaker 2: a couple of months time. Gillard, in the twenty ten example,
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Speaker 2: had just got to the leadership. Everyone thought she was unassailable.
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Speaker 2: How do you beat a woman? Of course, no one's
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Speaker 2: going to want to vote against Australia's first female prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Well they did in droves. We ended up with the
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Speaker 2: same amount of seats, but obviously the Coalition lost the negotiation.
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Speaker 2: At the time, no one gave Abbott a chance in hell,
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Speaker 2: no one.
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Speaker 3: There's no one out there.
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Speaker 2: He played a blinder of a campaign and the policies resonated.
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Speaker 2: He was authentic where she was Wooden. I'm getting that
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Speaker 2: sense with the Dutton alban easy contest, And of course
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's a lot more seasoned as leader than Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott was at the time. I think the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: got more let in his saddle than Julia Gillard did.
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Speaker 2: The PMS out there playing defensive on the seats he's visiting.
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Speaker 2: That's certainly not the case for the opposition leader. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it's a mountain to climb, but I was out in
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Speaker 2: the real world all summer, right in the seats that
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Speaker 2: make and break government, not in the leafy suburbs, not
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Speaker 2: in the dead reds, out amongst real people, and there
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Speaker 2: is a mood out there, Andrew. There's a real rooply
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Speaker 2: in Victoria that I haven't seen years.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there is a mood in New South Wales and Victoria.
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Speaker 1: There is not a mood where I was in Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now property prices up
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Speaker 1: there have gone up something like thirty percent, and I
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Speaker 1: think the Coalition will only win two seats there, whereas
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Speaker 1: they can win as many as ten in New South
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Speaker 1: Wales and Victoria if they have a good night or
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Speaker 1: good day, should I say? Now? Tony Abbott in that
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Speaker 1: election won eleven seats. Eleven seats ain't going to do
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Speaker 1: it this time. And during that campaign, as you will know,
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Speaker 1: Peterkredlin Kevin Rudd was leaking against Julia Gillard and saying
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Speaker 1: she was about to take money off pensioners and all
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And Julia Gillard had just knifed
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Speaker 1: a popular prime minister. So I get where you're coming from.
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Speaker 1: But I think it is a similar election. And the
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Speaker 1: sad thing for Peter Dutton could be it is just
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Speaker 1: almost there, but not quite because eleven seats, it will
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Speaker 1: be a complete mess for the government and they'll probably
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Speaker 1: be out, you know, not long. Certainly the next election
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Speaker 1: they'd be finished. But eleven seats probably isn't going to
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Speaker 1: get him into the lodge this time.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, what about the analysis today from Freshwater that's
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Speaker 2: showing there's a real gender devinement. We saw this in
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Speaker 2: the United States. It's playing out here. Young men are
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Speaker 2: gravitating to Peter Dutton and the Coalition, young women tending
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Speaker 2: to lean left, splitting evenly, though not just to labor,
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens.
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Speaker 3: What do you think.
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Speaker 1: I think I've said to you a couple of times now, Peter,
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Speaker 1: that if Peter Dutton wants to win, all he has
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Speaker 1: to do is do a couple of well not all
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Speaker 1: he has to do. The one thing he can do
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Speaker 1: is a couple of women friendly policies and win over
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Speaker 1: two or three percent of that voting cohort, and he'll
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Speaker 1: be in a lot better position to form government. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of a lot of the policies that Peter Dutton presents.
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Speaker 2: Friendly policymate, what's a women's friendly policy? Do you think
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Speaker 2: we don't care about the economy, care about defense?
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Speaker 1: I'm not a woman, but I'm saying you care about
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Speaker 1: all If he went for that constituency, if he did
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Speaker 1: a couple of things in that area, and I remember
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Speaker 1: gladys piogically and.
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Speaker 3: Intelligence, you insult our intelligence.
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Speaker 2: I think we don't care about in the people?
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Speaker 1: Well, of course they do. But people vote with the
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Speaker 1: hip pocket and they if there is a sense amongst
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Speaker 1: women that they don't, we don't.
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Speaker 2: We don't vote without vaginas, mate, we do not vote
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Speaker 2: with our vaginas.
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Speaker 1: Were you the one who's asking me about a gender difference? Peter?
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Speaker 2: You raised it well, you know, I'm asking you about
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Speaker 2: what can you read in it? And you're saying that
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Speaker 2: he's got to have women's policies to win women.
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Speaker 3: I find that offensive. I find that offensive.
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Speaker 1: What's your suggestion for winning over women? For Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: and Peter, I.
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Speaker 2: Think it's about the personality. It's about the warmth. It's
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Speaker 2: about women feeling they can understand the bloke. It's not
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Speaker 2: about policies with a pink cover sheet.
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Speaker 1: Government. Steve for Tom, you're.
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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see all right, Thanks Andrew, good to
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Speaker 2: have you back on deck. All right overseas. Now, world leaders,
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Speaker 2: including the first time, for the first time, the British monarch,
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Speaker 2: have gathered for the commemoration of the eighteenth anniversary of
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Speaker 2: the Liberation of our Schwitz.
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Speaker 3: Now I want to read.
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Speaker 2: You some really powerful, beautiful words from the co CEO,
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Speaker 2: the Australian Council of Australian jewelry Alex Rifkin, who posted
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Speaker 2: this today about our Schwitz.
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Speaker 3: Listen to these words Hell.
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Speaker 2: On Earth, he said, conceived, created and operated by extraordinarily
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Speaker 2: ordinary men. Mankind is essentially unaltered. We know better, wiser,
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Speaker 2: or more compassionate than we were back then. We are
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Speaker 2: just as susceptible, he wrote to missing the signs, taking
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Speaker 2: the easy road, shrugging the shoulders and just going along,
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Speaker 2: just as bad at recognizing evil. The only difference is Israel,
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Speaker 2: the only Garran tour of Jewish permanence. Beautiful words, as
20:05
Speaker 2: I say, powerful words. And that's why, of course, a
20:08
Speaker 2: fight against antisemitism matters, because without eternal vigilance, evil could
20:14
Speaker 2: happen again. Joining us now from Poland, Sky used too.
20:18
Speaker 2: She's Sky News correspondent, also a News Corporate Europe correspondent,
20:22
Speaker 2: and she's there in that capacity. Sophi yell'sworth, Sophie, thanks
20:26
Speaker 2: for your time. A lot of controversy around our delegation.
20:29
Speaker 2: Of course, it's been led by the Foreign Minister Penny Wong,
20:31
Speaker 2: our Attorney General Marked Rayphus. Here's what Penny Wong has
20:35
Speaker 2: had to say earlier in Poland.
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Speaker 8: We are here to say never again. We have to
20:42
Speaker 8: stand against prejudice and hate and anti semitism in all
20:46
Speaker 8: its forms, because at this time and in this place,
20:50
Speaker 8: we remember where that can lead.
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Speaker 3: They're the right words to say.
20:56
Speaker 2: But I tell you what, there's a real contrast between
20:58
Speaker 2: that language there and how she has voted or Australia
21:02
Speaker 2: has voted under her direction at the United Nations.
21:08
Speaker 10: That's right, Peter.
21:09
Speaker 11: Look, as we all know, Penny Wong's been under immense pressure,
21:13
Speaker 11: immense criticism, particularly from the Opposition leader Peter Dutton, for
21:17
Speaker 11: the decision to make that was made to send her
21:20
Speaker 11: here to this commemoration service alongside Mark Dreyfus.
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Speaker 10: When I spoke to her at the press conference when.
21:26
Speaker 11: She arrived here in Poland, she was obviously very defensive.
21:30
Speaker 11: She said they have a very strong contingency from the
21:32
Speaker 11: government here on the ground.
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Speaker 10: I did ask her, Peter, why.
21:36
Speaker 11: Isn't Prime Minister at the Albanezi here, But she said
21:39
Speaker 11: herself and mister Dreyfus are representing the government and they
21:42
Speaker 11: were a good representation at this commemoration service. But as
21:47
Speaker 11: you know, and we've spoken many times, there's many people
21:50
Speaker 11: very annoyed.
21:51
Speaker 10: That she was here representing Australia.
21:56
Speaker 2: I mentioned the King, King Charles, Sophie. I'm keen to
21:59
Speaker 2: know who else was there a lot of dignitaries, but
22:01
Speaker 2: I presume too it's the last time we're likely to
22:03
Speaker 2: see some of the survivors well enough to attend.
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Speaker 10: That's right, Peter. There were many world leaders here.
22:13
Speaker 11: There was King Frederick and Queen Mary from Denmark, many
22:18
Speaker 11: presidents and prime ministers, including Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
22:22
Speaker 11: We had the French President Emmanuel Macron, Ukrainian President of
22:26
Speaker 11: Vladimir Zelenski, and many others.
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Speaker 10: But yes, you are right.
22:30
Speaker 11: Many of these survivors are now aged in their eighties
22:33
Speaker 11: or nineties. There was about fifty six here yesterday. In
22:38
Speaker 11: Poland about twenty years ago there was fifteen hundred survivors,
22:43
Speaker 11: so the number is getting smaller and smaller, and obviously
22:48
Speaker 11: there is concern that when there is future and commemoration services,
22:52
Speaker 11: there will be even less.
22:56
Speaker 2: The world media is there with you, Sophie. We're delighted
22:59
Speaker 2: to have you on the program tonight. I think it's
23:01
Speaker 2: such an important topic. But our public broadcasters they are
23:05
Speaker 2: a no show.
23:08
Speaker 11: That's right, Peter. There's no ABC here there's no SBS here.
23:13
Speaker 11: This is a very important issue, obviously a very important
23:17
Speaker 11: event and one where many would argue that the taxpayer
23:21
Speaker 11: funded broadcasters should be here, but they are not here.
23:24
Speaker 11: On the ground, we obviously had Sky News News Corp.
23:28
Speaker 11: And some of the commercial networks, but the taxpayer funded
23:31
Speaker 11: ones that the Australians pay for, they were not here.
23:37
Speaker 3: I want to play a clip.
23:38
Speaker 2: This is from a British television network ITV, and it's
23:42
Speaker 2: a program Good Morning Britain, hugely popular.
23:45
Speaker 3: I want to play a clip because.
23:46
Speaker 2: It says here exactly why language matters. Listen carefully see
23:52
Speaker 2: if you can pick out.
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Speaker 9: Why six million people were killed in concentration camps during
23:59
Speaker 9: the Second World War, as well as millions of others
24:02
Speaker 9: because they were Polish, disabled, gay, or belonged to another
24:07
Speaker 9: ethnic group.
24:08
Speaker 1: Aschwitz was a factory of death that processed people on
24:12
Speaker 1: an industrial scale, men, women and children gassed and shot.
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Speaker 2: Sophie, How can you mention our Schwitz and the dead
24:24
Speaker 2: and not say the word Jew?
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Speaker 11: Unbelievable, Peter shocking, really appalling journalism and one that rightly
24:35
Speaker 11: has been called out that that is not good enough.
24:38
Speaker 11: Media need to do better, and this was spoken about
24:41
Speaker 11: at the commemoration service yesterday by some of the speakers
24:45
Speaker 11: that the media need to do better, particularly in light
24:48
Speaker 11: of what is going on in the Middle East, and
24:50
Speaker 11: there is one very stark example.
24:55
Speaker 2: Well, thank you Sophie for joining us tonight. After the
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Speaker 2: break Labe opens the floodgates to the fa only is
25:00
Speaker 2: of illegal asylum seekers, giving people smugglers a very powerful
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Speaker 2: marketing employed. Class are concerning new Chinese AI app that
25:07
Speaker 2: appears to be just another mouthpiece for Beijing. Welcome back
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Speaker 2: to the can the new Chinese artificial intelligence app that's
25:19
Speaker 2: got security experts spooked from the latest Labors stalled ev
25:23
Speaker 2: tax as well. But first I want to return to
25:26
Speaker 2: the fears that Labour's again sending all the wrong messages
25:28
Speaker 2: when it comes to border security, with news today that
25:31
Speaker 2: some two thousand partners and family members of illegal asylum
25:35
Speaker 2: seekers have been granted visas to come to Australia.
25:39
Speaker 3: Now, this has all occurred.
25:40
Speaker 2: Within the space of the last two years under the
25:43
Speaker 2: Albanesi government and stems from Labour's disastrous handling of our
25:47
Speaker 2: borders under the right Guillard era, when some fifty thousand
25:52
Speaker 2: people arrived on people smuggling boats to our north joined
25:56
Speaker 2: me now to discuss this shadow immigration Minister Dan Well,
26:01
Speaker 2: it's taken a while down but they've got the outcome
26:04
Speaker 2: that the people smugglers sold them, didn't They life in Australia,
26:08
Speaker 2: access welfare, medicare the whole box and dice, and now
26:11
Speaker 2: they've got citizenship on the way for them and all
26:15
Speaker 2: their extended family.
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Speaker 12: That's exactly right, Peter. And the sad reality is is
26:23
Speaker 12: that we know the people smugglers will be using this
26:26
Speaker 12: now to advertise their wicked trade. So having had this
26:32
Speaker 12: trade successfully shut down under the Coalition, what we're seeing
26:37
Speaker 12: now is it's starting to start up again and the
26:41
Speaker 12: government just can't help sending more and more signals to
26:44
Speaker 12: the people smugglers, and we're seeing more and more attempts
26:49
Speaker 12: to get asylum seekers to Australia and it is of deep,
26:54
Speaker 12: deep concern. And when you put this also with the
26:58
Speaker 12: numbers that we're starting to see of people coming in
27:02
Speaker 12: by plane and failing with their asylum seeker claims and
27:06
Speaker 12: the government not being able to remove any it just
27:10
Speaker 12: shows that it doesn't matter when it is Labor always
27:14
Speaker 12: makes a mess of immigration.
27:18
Speaker 2: Remind us of what happened here Dan Because these people
27:21
Speaker 2: came illegally, they were put onto temporary protection visas that
27:24
Speaker 2: were supposed to never give them the right to stay here.
27:27
Speaker 2: They were supposed to go home. Many of them appealed
27:30
Speaker 2: their decisions all the way through to the top. They
27:32
Speaker 2: were found never to be refugees. How do they get
27:35
Speaker 2: off TPVs and get this permanent visa outcome?
27:42
Speaker 12: Well, Anthony Albanezi before the last election, said that he
27:47
Speaker 12: would get rid of TPVs and his former hapless immigration
27:53
Speaker 12: Minister Andrew Giles said okay, well I will do that
27:58
Speaker 12: and began putting them on the process to permanent residency.
28:02
Speaker 12: And now as part of that process it looks like
28:07
Speaker 12: that they are bringing in family with them. And the
28:12
Speaker 12: thing that I think that the questions need to be
28:15
Speaker 12: asked of, especially of the new Minister Tony Burke, is
28:20
Speaker 12: has this all been done properly? Are there people who've
28:24
Speaker 12: been waiting to get family members into Australia. What does
28:29
Speaker 12: it meant for them, because there's not unlimited numbers that
28:33
Speaker 12: the government brings in, especially on family and partner visas,
28:38
Speaker 12: and they need to be answering questions. Does this mean
28:42
Speaker 12: that others have had to wait as a result, and
28:46
Speaker 12: everything about it just sends that signal to the people
28:50
Speaker 12: smugglers not only if can we get people to Australia,
28:54
Speaker 12: will be able will we be able to get them
28:55
Speaker 12: on that permanent residency pathway, but also now it seems
28:59
Speaker 12: that you might be shown favor when it comes to
29:02
Speaker 12: bringing family and partners in as well.
29:07
Speaker 10: Dan.
29:08
Speaker 3: Just on another issue I've got you.
29:09
Speaker 2: Last night I spoke to Sarah Henderson about a Till
29:14
Speaker 2: candidate that's standing against you. Alex Dyson's his name. He's
29:18
Speaker 2: running for your seat of one and he wants to
29:20
Speaker 2: be in the Federal Parliament. She took issue with his
29:23
Speaker 2: suitability as a candidate because he was part of a
29:27
Speaker 2: radio segment on the ABC that invited listeners to link
29:31
Speaker 2: everyday topics to Adolf Hitler. This was a segment others
29:35
Speaker 2: were involved, of course, but his co host Tom Ballard
29:39
Speaker 2: attempted to link wind farms to the fan forced Nazi ovens.
29:43
Speaker 2: Here's a bit of what they said.
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Speaker 13: For you to win wind farms fans, you know you
29:49
Speaker 13: have a fan.
29:49
Speaker 3: In an oven and then maybe.
29:51
Speaker 1: Force no no, no no, I don't see where you're
29:55
Speaker 1: going with that.
29:55
Speaker 5: Thank you, very much, Gabbie, he's out of the line
29:57
Speaker 5: and we would get.
29:58
Speaker 1: You some appraises.
30:00
Speaker 3: I think these gavages.
30:01
Speaker 7: I think Tom was glad that we didn't see where
30:03
Speaker 7: he was going to get.
30:05
Speaker 2: Well, the Abacy apologists at the time, your opponent did
30:10
Speaker 2: not apologize. He's apologizing now in a way that it's
30:14
Speaker 2: all been picked up. He says it was inappropriate, it
30:16
Speaker 2: was in bad taste. He regrets that he didn't intervene sooner.
30:21
Speaker 2: You know, surely this disqualifies someone to run for federal parliament.
30:27
Speaker 12: Well, the Teals stand on integrity, Peter, as you know.
30:32
Speaker 12: And if they stand on integrity, well then serious, serious
30:37
Speaker 12: questions need to be asked about this Teal. That's all
30:41
Speaker 12: I'll say. My focus is always on my community, the
30:45
Speaker 12: community of wann and we've had bushfires, there's bushfires.
30:49
Speaker 3: At the moment.
30:51
Speaker 12: We've got a really dry spell, farmers crying out for water,
30:55
Speaker 12: and the federal government is failing to be able to
30:58
Speaker 12: deliver pipelines they promised to them. This is my focus
31:02
Speaker 12: right on my electorate. But if the Teals are running
31:06
Speaker 12: on integrity, well, that segment I think says a lot
31:09
Speaker 12: about the Teals, all right, Dan ten.
31:13
Speaker 3: Thank you.
31:14
Speaker 2: Global markets have gone into a tail fin today after
31:17
Speaker 2: a little known Chinese company called deep Seek entered the
31:21
Speaker 2: AI arms race with a similar app with functionality the
31:25
Speaker 2: market leader chat GPT. Now what's caused concern here is
31:29
Speaker 2: that even this early on, deep Seek appears to be
31:32
Speaker 2: another way for Beijing into further exert control and Western
31:36
Speaker 2: nations and in particular our online centric young people. Jordaan
31:41
Speaker 2: now to discuss the potential implications of this technology. Director
31:45
Speaker 2: at Strategic Analysis Australia Michael Sheebridge.
31:49
Speaker 3: Michael, thank you for your time.
31:51
Speaker 2: What is deep Seek and what's this concern about Chinese
31:56
Speaker 2: communist influence?
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Speaker 14: Well, a deep Seek is a company and a product.
32:03
Speaker 14: So it's a Chinese company that makes large language models
32:07
Speaker 14: like chat GPTs, but it does it using less hardware
32:12
Speaker 14: and in a cheaper way. So the problem is that,
32:17
Speaker 14: as you say, this is China entering the AI arms race,
32:21
Speaker 14: but it's with Chinese Communist Party policies, censorship and direction
32:27
Speaker 14: baked in.
32:30
Speaker 2: All right, So give us some examples of where we
32:33
Speaker 2: should be concerned about this.
32:36
Speaker 14: So if you ask chat gpt about the Chinese Communist
32:41
Speaker 14: Party or about the Chinese political history, you'll get answers
32:45
Speaker 14: that include things like timin square and Chinese Communist Party corruption.
32:50
Speaker 14: If you ask deep seek, it says, can't we talk
32:53
Speaker 14: about something else? So the question is how reliable is
32:58
Speaker 14: this AI model and what's in the black box and
33:02
Speaker 14: how much is controlled by Beijing.
33:06
Speaker 3: Gits.
33:07
Speaker 2: We're already struggling to get our young people to understand
33:11
Speaker 2: all the ups and downs, the good and bad of
33:13
Speaker 2: history without the whitewashing. But this is a real risk.
33:17
Speaker 2: How do we manage the risk? I mean, this is
33:19
Speaker 2: not going to be the only such AI product to
33:21
Speaker 2: come out of China. We're in an arms race, as
33:24
Speaker 2: you say, in relation to AI. How do we deal
33:27
Speaker 2: if it's into the future.
33:30
Speaker 14: Well, we saw with the pandemic that the source of
33:33
Speaker 14: products really matters because the source gets to control whether
33:37
Speaker 14: you have it or not. So if we're worried about
33:41
Speaker 14: pharmaceutical precursors being controlled by Beijing, well we sure as
33:45
Speaker 14: hell should be worried about digital tools like AI being
33:49
Speaker 14: controlled by Beijing because they can turn them off on
33:53
Speaker 14: a whim. So don't think about instead of a beef tariff,
33:57
Speaker 14: a company that uses Chinese can have its business operations
34:02
Speaker 14: turned off at the whim of Beijing, just.
34:07
Speaker 3: Quickly before you go.
34:08
Speaker 2: I know you're a defense analyst as well as a
34:10
Speaker 2: cyber analyst, A former veteran Pete hes. He's been confirmed
34:15
Speaker 2: as the new Defense secretary for Donald Trump. What can
34:18
Speaker 2: we expect on his watch?
34:22
Speaker 14: I think he'll move quickly, and it'll be on some
34:25
Speaker 14: of Trump's key priorities, So reducing diversity programs in the Pentagon,
34:30
Speaker 14: refocusing the Pentagon on war fighting and competition with China.
34:34
Speaker 14: That's probably bad news for European allies, being much more
34:38
Speaker 14: demanding of allies, and probably opening up some of the
34:42
Speaker 14: Pentagon spending to US tech companies rather than just the big, traditional,
34:47
Speaker 14: slow moving defense companies.
34:51
Speaker 2: Right, So the nimble start the stuff that we haven't
34:53
Speaker 2: done very well here, drones and all the new technology
34:57
Speaker 2: focused too much on the big old kit.
34:59
Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about?
35:01
Speaker 14: Yes, that's right, and that'll be part of his efficiency
35:04
Speaker 14: in cost cutting drive. But he's also going to really
35:07
Speaker 14: want to see a war fighting edge with the US
35:10
Speaker 14: military rather than softer policies, and again, diversity will be
35:16
Speaker 14: a real target of his reign.
35:18
Speaker 3: I think interesting.
35:21
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty says weakness is provocative. We can only do
35:24
Speaker 2: that with strong troops at the border. Thanks for your time, Michael.
35:27
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the massive budget black hole spurred
35:30
Speaker 2: on by the transition to electric vehicles plus get ready
35:34
Speaker 2: to be slugged with even higher power bills so called
35:37
Speaker 2: smart meters, reportedly costing households hundreds of dollars a year.
35:47
Speaker 2: Welcome back, still the calm deployed by a Till candidate
35:50
Speaker 2: to get softly rules to vote for her.
35:52
Speaker 3: This is very interesting.
35:53
Speaker 2: I'll explain that in the moment, the first fears of
35:56
Speaker 2: a lack of progress are the National Road User Charge
35:59
Speaker 2: to a common the transition to electric vehicles could end
36:02
Speaker 2: up creating a fifty billion dollar black hole in the
36:06
Speaker 2: federal budget. One official telling the Australian Financial Review that
36:09
Speaker 2: the discussions between federal and state governments have slowed down
36:13
Speaker 2: following the announcement of the new vehicle emission standard back
36:17
Speaker 2: in March. Joining me now, senior motoring journalists to explain
36:21
Speaker 2: it all, Paul Gover, All right, Paul.
36:24
Speaker 3: Walk us through it. Hello, better stall EV tax, a
36:29
Speaker 3: stall EV tax. What's it all mean?
36:33
Speaker 6: Well, what it basically means is the federal government thought
36:36
Speaker 6: we were all going to be driving electric cars as
36:39
Speaker 6: per their giant master plan, and of course the number
36:42
Speaker 6: of people driving electric cars has fallen away massively and
36:47
Speaker 6: there is no strategy to have a user pays system
36:51
Speaker 6: for electric cars yet. So at the moment you fill
36:54
Speaker 6: up your car at the bowser, you play xis, it
36:57
Speaker 6: goes to the government. That's fine, and it's basically it's
37:00
Speaker 6: not a dumb system because it's user pays. The more
37:03
Speaker 6: fewer you use, the more distance you travel, so you're
37:07
Speaker 6: contributing the system at the moment. There is no way
37:10
Speaker 6: of taxing electric cars full stop, so no matter where
37:14
Speaker 6: the electricity comes from, the it doesn't necessarily equate to
37:18
Speaker 6: being used for transport, which means you can drive your
37:21
Speaker 6: electric car as far as you like, for as long
37:23
Speaker 6: as you like, and effectively you're not contributing to the
37:28
Speaker 6: road infrastructure in Australia.
37:32
Speaker 2: Notwithstanding the facts Mate that your electric car is a
37:36
Speaker 2: lot heavier and the damage your electric car causes to
37:40
Speaker 2: the road compared to say, with a petrol combustion engine
37:43
Speaker 2: is quite significant.
37:45
Speaker 8: Yep.
37:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's on average between four and five hundred kilos
37:50
Speaker 6: heavier like for like, So the same size say SUV
37:54
Speaker 6: family vehicle that lots of people are driving. When you
37:56
Speaker 6: electrify it to get the energy you need for the
38:00
Speaker 6: distance and the performance, you end up with a vehicle
38:02
Speaker 6: that's typically, in my experience, four to five hundred kilos heavier.
38:08
Speaker 6: What that means is effectively you're driving a small truck
38:11
Speaker 6: around in terms of the damage you do to the road.
38:14
Speaker 6: So this time of the year where the temperature gets
38:17
Speaker 6: up in the high thirties and forties and you see
38:19
Speaker 6: the top of the bitchman getting a little bit melty,
38:23
Speaker 6: drive your electric car down. There is a fair chance
38:25
Speaker 6: that you're going to do the same sort of damage
38:27
Speaker 6: as a small delivery truck.
38:31
Speaker 3: It's another reason to stay with my d's.
38:33
Speaker 2: I tell you you'll never see me in an EV unless
38:36
Speaker 2: I absolutely have no other option. Hey, talk to me
38:39
Speaker 2: about these new emissions rules. A lot of people want
38:42
Speaker 2: them overturned. Our Australian Automative Dealers Association says we're worried
38:47
Speaker 2: if they're not overhauled, we'll end up getting a whole
38:50
Speaker 2: lot of unwanted evs dumped in Australia.
38:54
Speaker 3: Is this fair income.
38:57
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say dumped, but I would say that already
39:00
Speaker 6: we're seeing lots and lots of Chinese brands here. There
39:03
Speaker 6: will be about fifteen new Chinese brands turning up in
39:06
Speaker 6: Australia from the middle of last year to the end
39:09
Speaker 6: of twenty twenty five. Most of them are coming in
39:11
Speaker 6: with electric vehicles. Most of them are very, very price competitive,
39:16
Speaker 6: so we're already seeing that lots and lots of electric
39:19
Speaker 6: vehicles now. One of the things that's interesting about this
39:22
Speaker 6: is if you have an electric vehicle under the EV system,
39:26
Speaker 6: under the emission system, you get credits and elong Musk.
39:31
Speaker 6: One of the most successful things about Tesla is that
39:34
Speaker 6: he's been able to sell the zero mission credits that
39:38
Speaker 6: he gets from selling his cars to companies that want
39:40
Speaker 6: to have combustion vehicles.
39:42
Speaker 10: So one of the.
39:43
Speaker 6: Things that's also going to happen in Australia is these
39:46
Speaker 6: electric companies are going to be able to sell their
39:49
Speaker 6: EV credits to companies that say sell as you have
39:54
Speaker 6: a diesel powered suv or a pickup truck. So there's
39:58
Speaker 6: a lot of skew going to happen in the market
40:00
Speaker 6: this year, and nobody really knows yet because we haven't
40:03
Speaker 6: seen the penalty figures yet. From Canberra on what the
40:07
Speaker 6: CO two number related, What the penalty is going to
40:10
Speaker 6: be related.
40:11
Speaker 3: To the CO two numbers.
40:12
Speaker 6: But it's going to be significant, and it is going
40:15
Speaker 6: to skew the market.
40:18
Speaker 2: Right just before we go though, because it's a world market,
40:21
Speaker 2: the global market, we're importing vehicles from overseas. Donald Trump's
40:24
Speaker 2: already revoked Joe Biden's target to have America drive fifty
40:28
Speaker 2: percent evs by twenty thirty.
40:30
Speaker 3: That's gone. He's also concerned.
40:34
Speaker 2: Even Joe Biden, to be fair, was concerned that Chinese
40:37
Speaker 2: made evs were a huge security risk. We're a long
40:42
Speaker 2: way away from where the United States is on this issue.
40:47
Speaker 6: We don't have a as far as I'm aware, there's
40:49
Speaker 6: no policy on whether they're a threat. As far as
40:52
Speaker 6: I know, the federal government's not even investigating whether the
40:55
Speaker 6: vehicles that are linked to offshore suppliers with software things,
41:00
Speaker 6: whether there's any sort of threat. Pretty much Camber at
41:03
Speaker 6: the moment's going, isn't this great. We've got lots of
41:06
Speaker 6: evs coming in and they're going to be cheapy, so
41:09
Speaker 6: that ticks our bockets, ticks our boxes. But the interesting
41:12
Speaker 6: thing is in Australia, the target for EV uptake is
41:17
Speaker 6: not being met and in fact it's less than most
41:22
Speaker 6: recently it's been less than ten percent of the uptake,
41:24
Speaker 6: to the extent that they're now counting plug in hybrids
41:28
Speaker 6: which are not fully battery electric, they still have a combustion.
41:31
Speaker 6: They're now counting them in the EV titles to make
41:34
Speaker 6: the lumbers look better.
41:37
Speaker 2: Goodness being well, we're not stupid here in Australia. Paul
41:40
Speaker 2: go over, thank you. After the break the tricky teal,
41:43
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about that story in the moment of
41:44
Speaker 2: plus claims these new smart meters for your power are
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Speaker 2: ripping you off. Welcome back of a paddle next, so
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Speaker 2: let's bring them in LMPMP Phil Tom's from Queensland and
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Speaker 2: the Spectator Australia Columnae Terry Barnes. Gents, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: We've learned today that these new smart meters for our
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Speaker 2: electricity consumption, they are all being rolled out of course
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Speaker 2: across the country, could add up to eight hundred dollars
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Speaker 2: per annum to the power bills of some consumers. According
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Speaker 2: to the New South Wales Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal,
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Speaker 2: demand tariffs could be costing consumers up to eight hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars if their power usage is high during the late
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Speaker 2: afternoon or early evening. Now, Phil, that's likely to be
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Speaker 2: older Australians who are already doing it tough.
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Speaker 13: I thought that power prices were supposed to be going down.
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Speaker 13: Now we're hearing that power prices are going to go up,
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Speaker 13: and it's going to be around peak times like right now.
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Speaker 13: So you've had a hard day's work, or you're home
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Speaker 13: with the family you want to cook dinner, or the
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Speaker 13: elderly who being cooking up, you're going to be for
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Speaker 13: having your appliances on.
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Speaker 3: What apps?
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Speaker 13: If you live in the north, you're going to have
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Speaker 13: to have the air con on most of the time.
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Speaker 13: We're in the south in winter having the heater on,
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Speaker 13: and you were going to be punished by having your
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Speaker 13: appliances on, which means your electricity is going to go up.
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Speaker 13: Pensions will have to start cooking in the middle of
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Speaker 13: the day or early in the morning.
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Speaker 1: This isn't really good enough.
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Speaker 13: This just goes on the back of the two seventy
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Speaker 13: five power price reduction each year by the Prime Minister
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Speaker 13: to saying that electricity will be cheaper. So now we're
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Speaker 13: hearing that it's going to be going through the rif.
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Speaker 13: I think it's a bad policy. Whoever designed it needs
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Speaker 13: to scrap it. And we should be lowering people's power prices,
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Speaker 13: lowering the cost of living, not making it harder for people.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the issue of diversity, equity and inclusion programs, Terry.
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Speaker 2: Australian businesses have been warned it would be tone deaf
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Speaker 2: if we were to ignore the rising backlash against these
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Speaker 2: programs and against ESG. Environmental programs are the reporting cycle
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Speaker 2: of course there for corporates. Following Donald Trump's return to
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Speaker 2: the White House, the Australian Institute of Company Directors say
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Speaker 2: that the parallel with the US is the focus on consumers. Again,
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Speaker 2: you would be toned deaf to ignore it. Please tell me, Cherry,
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Speaker 2: we're going to dump all this rubbish here in Australia
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Speaker 2: as well well.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely right, Peter would be toned deaf to ignore it.
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Speaker 7: And certainly I think President Trump I don't agree with
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Speaker 7: him on everything by any means, but on this one
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Speaker 7: he's got it right. I think focusing on merit and
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Speaker 7: merit alone in the promoting people and promoting companies, promoting
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Speaker 7: whatever is the way to go. But certainly I think
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Speaker 7: you've got to bear in mind that we are supposed
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Speaker 7: to be democracy, predom speech for preediven thought, all that
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Speaker 7: sort of stuff. But when it comes to the federal government,
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Speaker 7: I think if Peter Duptan is actually prepared to bite
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Speaker 7: the bullet and say that, they will we know more
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Speaker 7: DII or what is environmental, social and governments policies and
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Speaker 7: practices in the federal public service? Great set an example.
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Speaker 7: But in terms of the companies, look, it's pretty well
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Speaker 7: they can do what they like as long as consumers
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Speaker 7: are free to boidcott them if they don't like their policies,
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Speaker 7: and the investors are free to invest elsewhere if they
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Speaker 7: don't like their policies. So let's let consumers and investors
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Speaker 7: do the talking.
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Speaker 2: I also think we've got to be clear about the
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Speaker 2: weight of the union super funds in these companies and
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Speaker 2: how much they engineer a political outcome through these companies.
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Speaker 2: We saw already with the Voice, We've seen it with
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Speaker 2: other things. I think Australians are waking up to that, Hey,
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Speaker 2: let's go to w way. Your boss. Peter Dutton fields
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Speaker 2: out of the campaign trail. He's wished the Prime minister
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Speaker 2: are pretty happy retirement and during a visit to Nova
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Speaker 2: FM in Perth, have a look.
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Speaker 9: This is an original by Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 3: This is Peter Dunton by Anthony Alberanze.
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Speaker 4: That's impressive and that really sums up the pam's total
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Speaker 4: skill set. There he misses it. He's over he's an
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Speaker 4: overachiever and there isn't there's a striking, striking resemblance.
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Speaker 10: It does look like it gets straight away.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, so we've got John to respond. Okay, can
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Speaker 9: we go.
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Speaker 7: We've got look like we're trying to kill Yeah, okay, okay, Wow.
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Speaker 9: It's well, Nathan's already.
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: I think your place.
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Speaker 4: Do you think that this is this is Coca Gabana,
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Speaker 4: This is a retirement village.
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Speaker 10: Sign I like it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, sign it to elbow happy retirement. What do
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Speaker 4: you think you like?
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Speaker 9: It also kicks him in the.
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Speaker 3: Look.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's campaign season when you're getting that sort
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Speaker 2: of f M banter going on. It comes around every cycle, philm.
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Speaker 2: But I think what's interesting there is two things. Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's a good sense of humor, that's obvious. But he
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Speaker 2: doesn't mind, you know, having a laugh at himself and
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Speaker 2: I thought that's good too. I think the more people
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Speaker 2: see that, particularly young people, the more they're likely to
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Speaker 2: open their mind to voting for the coalition.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, definitely. You know, Peter Dutton is quite funny and
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Speaker 13: he doesn't mind having a good joke and having a
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Speaker 13: laugh and taking the mickey out of himself as well,
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Speaker 13: you know. And I also helped with taking the mickey
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Speaker 13: out of him when I'm in Canberra to nudge him
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Speaker 13: in the direction.
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Speaker 1: So I listened to that.
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Speaker 13: I thought it was quite entertaining. And he wish wishing
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Speaker 13: Anthony Albanezi happy retirement in a bit of tongue in cheek,
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Speaker 13: but I wish albow all the best after the election
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Speaker 13: when he goes into that multimillion dollar home and can
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Speaker 13: sit on the beach and have a great time, because
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Speaker 13: I think this nation needs some leadership, need someone that
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Speaker 13: can read the room, and under Peter Dutton will see that.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Peter Dutton's seed of Dixon. It's been
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Speaker 2: marginal and not so marginal all the way through his
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Speaker 2: time in parliament. He's got a till candidate, Terry running
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Speaker 2: against him. Now she has come out and said that
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Speaker 2: she's open to supporting a coalition minority government. Now, she
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Speaker 2: think was stupid because if she wins, if she's there
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Speaker 2: to support anyone, it'll be because she's defeated Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: So what sort of coalition led government is she talking about?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think in terms of winning Dixon off, Peter
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Speaker 7: Dutton and Peter, we're talking hypotheticals because I think Peter
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Speaker 7: Dutton has bored well enough in his electorate. He's been
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Speaker 7: a very good local MP as well as a minister
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Speaker 7: and now leader of the Opposition. So I think she's
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Speaker 7: got that against her. But when it comes to what
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Speaker 7: she's saying, I think it's just all smoke and mirrors,
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Speaker 7: isn't it. I mean, basically, she's not going to get up,
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Speaker 7: so her preferences are going to help Ali France, the
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Speaker 7: Labor candidate.
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Speaker 3: And if she.
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Speaker 7: Did actually have this boil over and got over the
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Speaker 7: line went to Canberra, and if she's going to join
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Speaker 7: the Tea or Caucus, look at the way they vote now.
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Speaker 7: I mean they vote almost overwhelmingly with the Greens, a
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Speaker 7: little with Labor and almost never with the Coalition. So
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Speaker 7: if you want an alban easy minority, Labor government. Well, look,
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Speaker 7: I mean this lady is showing you the way to
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Speaker 7: do it. Just a quick one.
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Speaker 3: Feel.
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Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby is furious about Labour's decision to send the
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Speaker 2: former Head of the Defense Force, Angus Campbell, to NATO
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Speaker 2: as our ambassador. She's really angry still about the Brereton Reporter.
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Speaker 2: Now a lot of people are she's going to run
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Speaker 2: a campaign, she says, with veterans against this.
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Speaker 3: What do you think?
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Speaker 13: Well, we had retention issues, recruitment issues, we had morale
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Speaker 13: at at all time, low the branch and report exonerating
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Speaker 13: senior officers, including the former Chief of Defense Force Angus Campbell,
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Speaker 13: to now be appointed an ambassador. Veteran mats of mind.
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Speaker 13: Soldiers that are still are quite upset with this, and
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Speaker 13: I tend to agree with Jackie here. I think this
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Speaker 13: is a misstep. I don't think this is a good idea.
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Speaker 13: And to have the pile that was left by the
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Speaker 13: former CDF to now be promoted, I think not very
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Speaker 13: good at all.
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Speaker 2: All right, I got to leave it there, Jens, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your time. That's it for me to see tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: He is Andrew