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Dirty Rush: No, seriously…are Rush Coaches B*llsh*t​? · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judce.
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  Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Gia jud Dice, I'm Jen Kessler, and.
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  Speaker 1: We have another exciting guest.
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  Speaker 2: You certainly do we have another sorority coach?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Leslie? Leslie? Am I gonna like you?
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  Speaker 2: Or am I gonna hate you? I think that is
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  Speaker 2: actually a very fair question, Miss Gia. I think this
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  Speaker 2: is this is a new concept, right at least for us.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not at the University of Alabama maybe, but for us,
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  Speaker 2: this is new. You had a college advisor, Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: paid for a college advisor. I don't know that I
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  Speaker 2: would ever pay for a sorority coach. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you would ever employ one.
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to be open, Yeah, right, I want to.
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  Speaker 1: Ask her what schools she predominantly works for?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she wouldn't work for the school. But which
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  Speaker 2: who needs her the most?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Which campus? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Her name is Leslie Cunningham.
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  Speaker 1: She's from Texas.
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  Speaker 2: She's from Texas. On that surprise, that is, I went
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  Speaker 2: to school in Texas. That is the land of Greek life.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bring her, let's bring her in. Hello, Hi, Leslie, Hi, Hi,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, all right, So I guess we're gonna kind of
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  Speaker 1: get into it. So this is dirty rush. We are
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  Speaker 1: talking about all the ins and ounce of sorority life.
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  Speaker 1: And I think a sorority coach is something that is
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  Speaker 1: new to my knowledge. I went to Rutgers University, I
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  Speaker 1: rushed in greek life, I was in Zada, but I
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  Speaker 1: have never heard of a sorority coach before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I've actually now done an interview with
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  Speaker 2: or done the pod with another sorority coach. She didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be called a coach. She wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: called a consultant. I don't get it. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the difference is. You go by coach or consultant
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  Speaker 2: or you know what, they're interchange They're interchangeable, okay, And
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  Speaker 2: I just want to like even the playing field. We're
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  Speaker 2: a little skeptical but also open, and we have heard
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  Speaker 2: some really nice things about you and your approach, and
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  Speaker 2: so you know, please tell us what you do, how
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  Speaker 2: you do it, how it all works.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there is I think a lot of skepticism
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  Speaker 3: about this role and kind of what coaches do. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I started my business already prep in twenty fifteen out
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  Speaker 3: of the need from moms and girls who are going
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  Speaker 3: to be going through the recruitment process and just wanted
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  Speaker 3: help on how to navigate it. And so that's really
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  Speaker 3: what I do, is I just kind of step in
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  Speaker 3: to where the girls are in their nerves and questions
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  Speaker 3: and curiosity and just help them to understand everything that
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  Speaker 3: it's going to entail when they decide to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: embark on this journey. There's a lot of moving parts
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  Speaker 3: these days with sorority recruitment, so really my job is
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  Speaker 3: just to kind of help them understand what to expect
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  Speaker 3: and how to be themselves and showcase that in a
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  Speaker 3: way that will help them to put their best foot
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  Speaker 3: forward and confidently stand out amongst the masses. Because nowadays
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  Speaker 3: there are hundreds, if not thousands of women who want
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  Speaker 3: to be a part of Greek life, which is wonderful,
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  Speaker 3: but it can also be a little intimidating for maybe
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  Speaker 3: someone who has never tried something like this before.
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  Speaker 1: So what schools or yeah, I guess schools not so
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  Speaker 1: what schools predominantly like ask you to coach them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: I am typically am working with a lot of women
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  Speaker 3: who are going through recruitment in the South. Obviously the
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  Speaker 3: process is a little bit you know, more challenging in
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  Speaker 3: terms of the ins and outs of what these girls
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  Speaker 3: are expected to kind of have prepared and there's you know,
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  Speaker 3: the P and M videos, and there's the outfits and
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  Speaker 3: getting prepared for the parties themselves. But I do I
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  Speaker 3: am now having more and more women from the Northeast.
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  Speaker 4: Like I have a client this year.
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  Speaker 3: She's going to Columbia, and her mom, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: really wants to make sure she understands what she's stepping into.
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  Speaker 4: She has a lot of more plate with school.
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  Speaker 3: And academics, and so it just makes sense to find
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  Speaker 3: a landing spot for these girls in a social setting too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Leslie. Our producer told us that
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  Speaker 2: you actually focus on mental health, which I was I
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  Speaker 2: was thrilled to hear because I think that's probably so necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have some education? Are you a mental health
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  Speaker 2: provider in your other life?
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  Speaker 3: So I actually, in doing this for ten years, I
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  Speaker 3: really start to I really started to kind of feel
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  Speaker 3: the pressure from both moms and daughters to have more
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  Speaker 3: of a more resourceful place for them to come when
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  Speaker 3: they were facing some of these difficult challenges.
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  Speaker 4: And so this.
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  Speaker 3: Last year I partnered with three mental health specialists, their counselors.
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  Speaker 4: This is what they do.
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  Speaker 3: They work in the Collegiate Women's Space, and we have
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  Speaker 3: created a program. They are working with my clients separately
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  Speaker 3: along with moms to help them sort of navigate how
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  Speaker 3: to support their daughters, but then for the women to
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  Speaker 3: give them the tools and resources they need to really
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  Speaker 3: be able to handle a lot of the challenges. You know,
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  Speaker 3: recruitment has some rejection built into it, and so unfortunately
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  Speaker 3: sometimes this can be the first time for some of
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  Speaker 3: these women to have rejection in their life, and so
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  Speaker 3: we are really just there to help them understand.
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  Speaker 4: This is normal.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to have some of these feelings. You're going
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  Speaker 3: to have some of this anxiety, these hesitations. It's part
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  Speaker 3: of going off to college in a new place and
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  Speaker 3: being far away from home and outside your comfort zone.
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  Speaker 3: And so here are some ways that you can, you know,
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  Speaker 3: prepare yourself and help you to kind of move through
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  Speaker 3: the process in the most healthy way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little daunting to think that that women,
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  Speaker 2: young women need mental health help just to go through
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  Speaker 2: this process. Right, Like, and I was in a sorority,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously Gia was as well, and we've had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of wonderful experiences, both of us, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you have as well. But there is something about this
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  Speaker 2: process that just seems to me, and more today than
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  Speaker 2: back in the day, because they're social media, but just
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  Speaker 2: inherently anxiety provoking. And as a coach, I'm glad to
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  Speaker 2: hear that you're you know, you're actually dealing with that
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  Speaker 2: and addressing it. I'm curious in terms of, like what
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  Speaker 2: you do outside of that so and how much of
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  Speaker 2: it is superficial, like take this off your social media,
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  Speaker 2: wear this, this with your hair this. I've even heard
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  Speaker 2: that coaches sometimes recommend certain tanning approaches self tanner to
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, tell us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I was going to ask you along the
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  Speaker 1: same lines, like, so, going into sorority rush, say a
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  Speaker 1: girl approaches you and she is really set on getting
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  Speaker 1: into this one sorority and it's top tier, it's super
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  Speaker 1: difficult to get into. But maybe she doesn't have their
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote criteria or stereotypical view that they usually accept
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  Speaker 1: into their sorority. Do you feel comfortable physically changing like
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  Speaker 1: their entire image and personality or do you recommend to them, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the right option for you, to like
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  Speaker 1: better their mental health rather than completely changing their person
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  Speaker 1: at eighteen years old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a great question, and something I
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  Speaker 3: think both girls and moms really struggle with is having
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  Speaker 3: a mindset that they want a certain thing. I approach
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  Speaker 3: that a little different. When I start working with a client,
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  Speaker 3: I really want to understand who she is first, because
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  Speaker 3: I think these girls need to have the self confidence
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  Speaker 3: in who they are. Because you can wear all the
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  Speaker 3: designer outfits you want, you can have your hair done
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  Speaker 3: in a certain way, you can go and get the
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  Speaker 3: tan that you want, but that is a lot to
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  Speaker 3: keep up with once you join authority, and you're not
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  Speaker 3: joining for the people, you're joining just for the letters.
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  Speaker 3: And so really my approach when I'm working with a
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  Speaker 3: client is to understand, we want you to find your people.
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  Speaker 3: Who you are and how you are is not going
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  Speaker 3: to change immediately once you get to college. So you
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  Speaker 3: need to understand what are the things that are important
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  Speaker 3: to you. What are some of these things in terms
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  Speaker 3: of friendships and that sense of belonging that you're really
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  Speaker 3: looking for. So that when you go and you're meeting
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  Speaker 3: with these different sorority women or you're having these conversations,
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  Speaker 3: you should be able to sort of navigate and find
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  Speaker 3: your people. It should be a natural part of the process.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how it's built in these days as far as.
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  Speaker 4: Recruitment is concerned.
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  Speaker 3: And so if a woman is very set on one thing,
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  Speaker 3: I do explain to them there are going to be limitations.
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  Speaker 3: Not every sobrity has a spot for every single girl,
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  Speaker 3: and so this may not go the exact way that
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  Speaker 3: you want it to go, but you need to be
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  Speaker 3: open to the options you have. There is no bad
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  Speaker 3: sorority on any campus. It's really your perception. And if
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  Speaker 3: you are going into it to try to find the
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  Speaker 3: right people and to make those friendships in those connections
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  Speaker 3: you're going to you're going to land where you should land.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Leslie, I'm going to have to like actually hone
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  Speaker 2: in on this because I can't imagine that you don't
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  Speaker 2: also coach on where this hair like this. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that's part of it, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: There is a component of I think too, you want
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  Speaker 3: to present your best self. Just like today, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to jump on here. You know, I'm at a
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  Speaker 3: beach resort. I'm not going to jump on here in
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  Speaker 3: my baby too cover and you know, just hope that
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  Speaker 3: I look great. I'm going to take the time to
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  Speaker 3: make a good first impression. It's important to me. And
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  Speaker 3: so these women also need to have the self confidence.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really hoping that, like by going through the recruitment process,
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  Speaker 3: these women are well prepared to then go and try
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  Speaker 3: out for an organization on campus, if that's a student
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  Speaker 3: leadership position, or maybe they're going to go out and
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  Speaker 3: try to find an internship that's very competitive. They want
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  Speaker 3: to be able to have that skill set and then
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  Speaker 3: go and launch into finding a job. And so if
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  Speaker 3: they can't understand how to prepare for those types of
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  Speaker 3: things in a competitive environment, you know, life is it
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  Speaker 3: shoots a lot of things at us, and so we
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  Speaker 3: have to be prepared in all of these different facets
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  Speaker 3: and having your confidence, whether that's in your appearance and
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  Speaker 3: just being able to kind of present yourself. You know,
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  Speaker 3: these girls are very savvy and they understand that that
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  Speaker 3: is part of it. Social media is part of it,
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  Speaker 3: and your your first impression does make a big depth.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you tell them in terms of do
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  Speaker 2: you have specifics in terms of tanning, in terms of makeup,
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  Speaker 2: are you saying to them, not a spray tan, make
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  Speaker 2: sure your arms are Do you do all of that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I talk them through. You know what is
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  Speaker 3: their typical? Like what makes you feel good about yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Is that having a tan?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I have some clients that don't want good
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  Speaker 3: with a spray tan, and so I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: encourage them to go and do that, but I do
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  Speaker 3: think taking the time. Like I had a client this
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  Speaker 3: last year. She is not someone who wears a lot
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  Speaker 3: of makeup, and I told her, I'm like, just go
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  Speaker 3: and get a little makeover and just see how you
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  Speaker 3: feel after you have that experience, because sometimes I think
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  Speaker 3: it is about the newness of trying something and you know,
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  Speaker 3: if it.
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  Speaker 4: Helps you to slap on a little lip gloss and
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  Speaker 4: feel good, then that's what we want.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want you walking because there is going to
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  Speaker 3: be that comparison when they're standing in line waiting to
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  Speaker 3: walk into that sorority and they're looking around and they're
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  Speaker 3: seeing all these girls who are putting forth a lot
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  Speaker 3: of effort. You don't want to feel like you showed
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  Speaker 3: up and didn't know that you were supposed to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely effort. But I also feel while you're rushing and
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  Speaker 1: going through this sorority process that you're also fully entitled
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  Speaker 1: and allowed to show your natural beauty. So I feel
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  Speaker 1: like spray tands and making yourself almost nearly orange or
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting a full face of makeup for sorority
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  Speaker 1: rush does seem a bit excessive. I fully believe that
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  Speaker 1: you can put your makeup on and you know, learn
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  Speaker 1: how to do your makeup naturally, but I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm getting visions of toddlers and tierras right now,
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  Speaker 1: and I just feel like this is a bit excessive
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  Speaker 1: for sorority rush. And I guess maybe, uh, this is
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  Speaker 1: a cliche of me to say, because I didn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously rush in the South. But I also feel like
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  Speaker 1: showing your natural beauty and having that also shine through
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  Speaker 1: is something that's really important. And it's like, is that
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  Speaker 1: something that you instill as well?
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  Speaker 2: And too?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think each individual woman has, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how she views herself and and part of what I
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  Speaker 3: think is difficult when you're preparing for sorority recruitment is
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  Speaker 3: understanding that who you are and you know what you
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  Speaker 3: look like and how you present yourself. And I really
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  Speaker 3: try to coach clients through not just the outer beauty,
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  Speaker 3: but also what you're saying and how you say. It
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  Speaker 3: matters too, because these young collegiate women who are making
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  Speaker 3: the decisions about who to invite into their membership, they're
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  Speaker 3: really paying attention to these conversations and what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: And so if you're going in there, and like you mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: Before, if you have this attitude of like, this is
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  Speaker 3: where I want to be and I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: have a gracious, open attitude to everyone else, you know
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  Speaker 3: that could that can really hinder your experience. And I
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  Speaker 3: think to take away from like you were saying, that
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  Speaker 3: outer beauty that we want these girls to emulate is
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  Speaker 3: you know, who they really are should be able to
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  Speaker 3: shine through, whether that's in those conversations or on their
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  Speaker 3: social media.
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  Speaker 4: I think that that should be reflected in both places.
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  Speaker 3: It shouldn't feel like there is a real disconnect between
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  Speaker 3: who they are on social media and who they're presenting
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  Speaker 3: themselves to be in the recruitment.
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  Speaker 1: Also giving them tips on you know, etiquacy and mannerisms.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, what about the social media of it all? So
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  Speaker 2: do you scrub their social media? And what are you
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  Speaker 2: looking for? I don't want to. This is not a
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  Speaker 2: paid session, so I don't want to take I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to just steal all your tips. But I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: in what do you look for and what do you
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  Speaker 2: tell them to get rid of?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: So I really come to it from a perspective of
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  Speaker 3: what I know the sorority women are looking for. And
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  Speaker 3: so when I'm looking at a client social media, I
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  Speaker 3: want to be able to see all of the things
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  Speaker 3: reflected and what she's shared with me. So what she's
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  Speaker 3: passionate about, what she's interested in, things she's involved in,
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  Speaker 3: where she's connected in her community, whether that's through her family,
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  Speaker 3: her friends, all the activities that she's involved in. If
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, these selfies or just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of really focused individual attention that she's putting
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  Speaker 3: out there, you know, that can also be perceived in
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  Speaker 3: a negative way by some of the sororities. So they
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  Speaker 3: want to see, you know, your friend groups. They want
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  Speaker 3: to see your activities, how you're spending your time. So
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  Speaker 3: with clients, I really work with them to understand. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is sort of like a pr campaign still recruitment,
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  Speaker 3: So we want to make sure that we're really promoting
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  Speaker 3: you in the best way to give you the best shot,
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  Speaker 3: so these girls can get to know you and see
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  Speaker 3: you for who you are rather than just this beautiful, curated,
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  Speaker 3: you know, very selective types of photos.
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  Speaker 4: Because again, if they meet you.
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  Speaker 3: In person, that's not going to be necessarily things that
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  Speaker 3: you're probably going to be able to connect with them about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I mean to interrupt, but I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 2: What about the girls that don't have a lot of friends,
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  Speaker 2: that weren't popular in high school and that you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe their social media is awkward, and how do you
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  Speaker 2: what do you do in those occasions?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know that that comes up, and that's
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  Speaker 3: something that on an individual basis, I do work with clients.
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  Speaker 3: I provide them sort of like a roadmap. Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: see that you don't have a ton of posts in here,
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  Speaker 3: and so girls are going to look at this and
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  Speaker 3: either go, huh, is this someone who is you know,
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  Speaker 3: not very involved, like you said, or doesn't have a
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  Speaker 3: huge community, and so we want to sort of help
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  Speaker 3: them to see opportunities, and so we kind of go
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  Speaker 3: through ways that they can moving forward, depending on when
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  Speaker 3: I start working with them, how they can start putting
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  Speaker 3: things out there so that girls can get to know them.
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  Speaker 3: Because really, the sororities are using the social media to
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  Speaker 3: sort of have some touch points, whether that's reaching out
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  Speaker 3: to girls before recruitment starts, or even right before they
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  Speaker 3: jump into a party and have a conversation with a woman.
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  Speaker 3: They may go and look at her social media and see, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I see she just got back from a trip with
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  Speaker 3: her family, and so these will be great things that
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  Speaker 3: I can talk.
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  Speaker 4: To her about.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the soorties I'm thinking are looking at
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  Speaker 2: social media and looking at what the girl looks like physically,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: what boys are surrounding her. I mean, I just think
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that's probably a very big part of it. So are
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you ever saying to these girls, listen, you know, find
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: some people to take a picture with, find a cute boy.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I mean that, And it's just honest, like I know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: trying to help these girls get into sororities. And I'm
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: wondering if you do have to give advice like that.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I typically don't because again, I'm not going from the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: perspective of like we need to create this fake world.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I really wanted to feel authentic and I want it
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: to be them. So I think if there are some
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: of those awkward moments in their instagram where I see
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: something that might again how the sororities are going to
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: perceive it is really where I'm providing that feedback to
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: these women to say, hey, look, this may be something
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that you might just want to archive for a little
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: while and then you can bring it back later on.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: But let's try to focus on some of these other
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: areas that I know you have going on and that
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: would be really great to highlight instead.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: On average, how much do you charge to you know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: bring these girls through this process and how long typically
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are you training these girls for.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can start working with a client as
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: early as you know, November December with August recruitment, so
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: it's a pretty long runway that I usually try to
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: work with a client. Again, I'm trying to get to
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: know her, I'm trying to really help coach her through
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the processes. She has enough time but my program can
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: really depend on kind of what the client wants. But
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: upwards of you know, thousands of dollars just because there
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: is it's a lot of just that one on one
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: personalized coaching for clients that I'm providing.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you charge also hourly like people? Is it
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: because you want to yell?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I do, So I'll do an hourly option, or I
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: have just a set program that they can go through
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that includes everything, so they can just kind of jump
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: in on that.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So the set program is probably less than a year,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a little less than a year worth of training. So
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: how much does that full program cost?
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's around three thousand dollars.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, So what happens when one of the girls that
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you're working with pays you the three thousand dollars and
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't get in anywhere?
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really have not had a client that, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I think there's twofolds. So there are girls that start
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: this process and decide WHOA this is a lot I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: don't know if I can do this, I don't know
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: if I want to do this, and so they self
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: select out and that I think is something that again
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: everyone's journey is different, and so how they get there,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: it may just be a little bit of a different route.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And then I have other clients that you know, are
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: gonna go through the process, They're going to really give
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: it a fear shot, and they then they end up
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: joining a sorority. So there isn't really a place where
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I find clients get to the end and decide, ooh,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I definitely put my money back on. This isn't what
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be, because again I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: trying to prepare them.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure some of your clients didn't get
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: into a sorority, right, No.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I mean I have clients that will go through the
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: freshman process, so the first, you know, beginning of their semester,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: they'll go through recruitment, and like I said, they decide
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: this needs either too much for me or I'm going
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: to take a break from this, and then they can
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: also I work with them to go through what's called
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the continuous open bidding process, so that's after formal recruitment.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: It's a more informal process, and so they end up
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: joining that way. I also have clients that come to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: me that are not freshmen. They're upperclassmen, women who maybe
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: were on campus kind of observed Greek life and thought
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I don't really want to be involved and then decide, hey,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I think I want to do this and end up
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: coming and wanting to jump in in their sophomore junior year.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Well what if they don't say they okay, they get
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: into a sorority, but they don't get into at least
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: one of the top three.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So I think perception of what is top is really important.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And again that's part of what I'm trying to help
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: clients understand. You know, what your best friend thinks is
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: top isn't necessarily what you probably are going to.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Think is top, or you could.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I mean it just the hints, but you really have
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: to focus in on who the people are and where
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: you feel like you belong, because if you're just focused
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: on what you consider top or the best or top
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: tier or any of that, I think you really miss
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: out on finding people that you can have.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: A true sisterhood with.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I think most of my clients, you know, six months
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: to a year to you know, their senior year, will
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: tell you that the process works and they trusted the process,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: and it does get you to where you do have
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: those genuine friendships and find your people.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: No for sure. And I think what I meant by
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that is, of course, when you go through the process,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you find your people, but you also deal with the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: noise of everybody else speaking during the recruitment process. It's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: no secret what the top three sororities are at any
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: school when you're going through that recruitment process. So is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: this the kind of avenue that you take in that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: mental health like part of your course by you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: really educating these women that it's okay to obviously like
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a sorority that is not in the stereotypical top three,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And is this something that you really educate them on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: because I could like feel, I could you know, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: feel what you're saying. How you know they're all going
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to find their way and they're all going to find
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: their avenue and what sorority speaks to them, which is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent true, but also dealing with the stereotypes
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of going through the rushing process. You do know what
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the top are, what the you know, low ring sororities are,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you do Yeah, I.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Give a lot of advice on like where to really
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: push out the noise, because I do think there are
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of external places where these women start to feel.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Their confidence really starts to dwindle when they have a
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: roommate who makes us a comment about maybe a chapter
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: that they still are interested in, or they have on
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: their schedule, or they're walking to their next party and
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: they hear two girls in front of them talking about,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you know, a house that they just came from, or
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: even I have like clients whose moms or aunts or
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: cousins or anyone in their family who maybe reach us
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: out to them and says, oh my gosh, I can't
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: believe you're still interested in XYZ. So I do really
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: try to help them understand that there isn't there's not
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: like this one set thing like it's okay to find
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: your place and where you feel like you belong because
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: this is your experience. This isn't your mom's experience, this
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: isn't your roommate's experience. And I really do coach clients
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: as a roommate. You probably shouldn't be discussing the you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the rounds and what houses you like, because you're each
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: individual's and you're gonna find that you probably are gonna
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: join different storties and still, you know, be great roommates
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: and have a great friendship, but you don't necessarily have
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to do the exact same thing that someone else is doing.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had another We had another coach on and
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I asked her this same question. I wonder if you
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: face a lot of judgment about what you're doing. And
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I know for me and I said this to our
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: last coach, so just fair. But I don't know that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I would ever hire someone My daughter went through rush
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and I you know, I went through one hundred years
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: ago and my mother didn't even know what a soorty was.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that I would hire a coach.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And I wonder if you and that's please don't misunderstand me. No,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that you know you've helped a lot of women,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: especially I love the mental health part. But do you
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: get a lot of flacks or blowback in terms of
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: what you do. Do you experience that I do?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And I think it's just misconception of what my role is.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And so what I really help try to help people
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: understand is I'm not here to get someone into a
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: particular sorority. I would love for women to go through
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the experience of recruitment and find this unique thing that
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: is on a college campus where you can really explore
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: who you are, you can be challenged, you can be
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: a part of something where you're giving back in philanthropy
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: and learning skill sets that you're going to use for
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: the rest of your life. And so I really want
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: people to understand that my job is just to get
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: more people who want to join this process and be
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: a part of it. And you know, I always tell
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: clients you.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: You are special.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You're going to find your place, whether that's in a
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: sorority or somewhere on your campus, but you have something
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: to offer, and these sorority women are going to see
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: that if you're true to yourself and you really do,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of dig down deep and really showcase
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: who you are.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: But I do think there.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Is a lot of pushback against Yeah, like I said,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I've been doing this ten years and so I have
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: seen the ebb and flow of being just one of
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: a few doing this to now you know, hundreds, if
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: not thousands, and I think they all have different approaches.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: But I know in my heart.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: What I'm doing is really to build these women up
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: in their confidence, help moms know how to support their
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: daughters at in this transition. And I just want them
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: to get the skills and life lessons that can help
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: them carry on, you know, from college and beyond. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: think as a woman in a sorority, you can just
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: gain so much from it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: And I just yeah, like I said, I just want.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: More people to be a part of it and see
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: it in It's true, like it's unfortunate that there are
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: so many things that kind of downplay the sorority experience.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: You know, they focus on some of the things that
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Take away from really what sororities are doing on campuses.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that's definitely admirable, but we've also
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: heard some horror stories about and about the girls that
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: have been rejected and what happens and what that looks like.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And it's I think that it is what you're describing
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: is very admirable to sort of help women express their
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: true self and to not just look for status when
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: they're you know, rushing. But I don't know, it feels
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: like when I hear sorority coach, I hear someone who
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: is coming in to help my get into the sorority
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that she wants by please forgive me. And I'm not
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: saying that this is what you do it's just as
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a mother, this is what I would what occurs to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: me by transforming herself into what other young girls want.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why I the image of this, yeah,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and and or the image of the sorority. And I'm
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: very open to being wrong about that. And you seem
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: also like a lovely woman who really cares about the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: girls that you work with. But it all seems like
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: a little crazy to me. I have to be honest
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sure, I think there are a lot of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: things that girls do to prepare for sorority recruitment that
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: does seem very crazy. You wouldn't do that, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: in other circumstances. But I also think that you know
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: this process and the way I mean, unfortunately, this is
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the way that sororities recruit new members, and so I
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: think if there was a different process created that they
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: could join in a different format, then that may be
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: where we see.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Some of this change.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: But in the end, I think some girls do go
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: through and it is unfortunate because I see it too.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I see it on social media, and I see it
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: in other places. I have moms call me who tell
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: me about, you know, people they know who are experiencing
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: certain things, and it is. But I think if you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: can really step into understanding that you know, rejection is
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: part of life. I think sometimes that's also the lesson
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: here too, is that you know how you come back
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: from some of that is important. And if, like I said,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you can come into it with the right attitude and
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: the right understanding and the right expectations, you know, this
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: can be a really fun and successful process. But if
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you come in very narrow minded and this is all
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I want and this is what they expect from me,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: and this is how I need to look, then yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: it's going.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: To be a lot of work. You're going to be disappointed.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So what would you say that the biggest myth is
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to sorority rush.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest myth is that you have to,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: like you said at the beginning, transform yourself into something
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: different than who you truly are. I think if you
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: are a natural beauty and you are confident in who
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: you are and you know what you're looking for in
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: terms of joining something like this, then you are going
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: to find you know, you're going to find your people,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna find your place, and it's going to
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: be a really fun experience.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I think when you come in and you're.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Really second guessing yourself and you're really doubting yourself, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: think that's where I see a lot of these girls
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: start to put their worth and who they want to
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: be so much in this these letters, as opposed to
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know, really trusting themselves and stepping out and trying
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: to just make a friend, because that's really what you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, that's what they're that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: what they're trying to do, is find their friends before
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: school starts.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. What would you say the biggest
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: mistake that P and MS make.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the biggest mistake is probably focusing too
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: much on and I know we talked a little bit
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: about this, but focusing too much on the things that
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: aren't going to really make a huge impact for them.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: So things like I think attire and outfits are.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Important, but if you are, you know, just focused on
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: that and really worried about that, and you're not practicing
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the social skills of how to have a good conversation
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and how to connect with someone and how to make
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: someone feel like they really have gotten to know you.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: In you know, a five ten fig two minute conversation,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: you're going to miss out on being able to really
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: put yourself out there and find your place. I think
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: the other thing that girls spend a lot of time
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: on and effort is the recommendation process. So that has
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: changed over the years, and I think it's a great
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: way to make an introduction.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: To a sorority about yourself.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: And to having a lum introduce you to that organization.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: But it is not the end all be all, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I find a lot of clients stress and have a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: lot of effort that they put towards it, and so
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: just helping them to understand that there are a lot
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: of other things. If you can connect with girls before recruitment,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: if you can have a great conversation and you can
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: really be yourself, then you know you'll be fine.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I've definitely heard that that that letter of recommendation is
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: outdated a bit. Yeah, yeah, listen, Leslie, what a pleasure.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much, Thank
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you for talking us through this. We wish you continued success. Again.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I have lots of ideas about this, as I'm sure
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Gia does, and it's new to me and so not
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: meaning to be pessimistic, but we're trying to ask you
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the hard questions and to really understand what this is
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: about and to be you know, honest with you and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: have an open dialogue. And thank you so much for
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: talking to us.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really do sound like you care about you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the recruits genuine feelings and personality and what they want.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's something that you know. Obviously
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you have stuck with it for three years, ten years,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and you pretty much feel like you have. It's in
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: our little cards here where you have one hundred percent
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: success rate. So good for you, thank you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I know it's it is. It's a wonderful experience. Like
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I said, if you can find you know, that that
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: place where girls can feel like they belong and they
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: find their home.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: But I know it is.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: So I appreciate the time and the question.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Where can our listeners find you? By the way, Oh
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: yeah absolutely.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I'm on social media so Instagram, sorority prep, one on one,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I'm on TikTok sorority prep, and i have a website
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: sororityprep dot com.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Perfect amazing.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, Leslie.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I have a great dead love to all your girls.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Bye bye, I don't know. I don't know either.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I now, I don't want to say like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I felt like she was a little full of it,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: but I just one hundred one hundred percent successory.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I mean what does that mean? Does that mean that
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: you say to your clients you're definitely going to get
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: into a sorority and then that's success because they got
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: into one, maybe that they didn't necessarily plan on getting
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: it into or how do you measure success? I don't know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: it's it does seem like a lot, right, I know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like it was very just sugarcoating.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I want to know, like like she wasn't
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: deep yeah, like like stop the bs, Like do you
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: tell them what to wear?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Like I tell them how much to make up to where?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Like is it is it you really picture and tierras?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, yeah I do to.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I just I don't get it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: But listen, here's the truth, Like we're not we haven't
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: gone through the process, and we're going to try not
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: to judge even though we're judging. We're judging, yes, but
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: we'll say that we're trying not to. I know, I mean, yeah,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: she's making a good loving Yeah, I mean, listen, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: don't prefer that three thousand dollars, and she says, she gets,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe more. I thought we read it could
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: be even more.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Well, she said three thousand. If she does, if they
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: do the whole package, okay, then it's two fifty to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: three hundred dollars.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: An hour hour.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So if you're doing that, you're paying over three grand.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So let's think about that. What is two fifty to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: three hundred dollars an hour? Ten grand? Ten grand?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And what did you pay for.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Your college tutor?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Five thousand?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: That's what we paid for, right, So now you're paying.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: But she helped me with everything.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I know. I admired one, believe me.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And they were very very helpful. Right, But that's also
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: like us going into college, into college, that's our career.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know this sorority life is not like that
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and all be all.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And we're here to talk about like the good too
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of story life and how much fun it was and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: ours much you know, what it created in terms of
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: life lessons and all of that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: But and I love all of that, but you experienced
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that once you're in it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody told me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: What to a dress or how to look like just
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the stakes.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Are so high. If you're spending that kind of money
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: as a kid, I would think you would feel pressure. Yes,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: like all of this money and it's so important that
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I would spend thousands of dollars on it. I'm not
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: saying it's not important to young women, but I don't know.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I just feel going into it with and Yes, she
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: was saying rejections are part of life, yes one. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I think that is a big lesson to learn throughout
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: life that you are going to get rejected. Sometimes that's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: not only going to be from a sorority. It could
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: be from a guy.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: A woman is teaching how not to get rejected, right,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I know they do that, their college
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: counselors to do that. It feels different to me. It
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: feels like, here's how you make people like you or
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: this sorority. I don't know, I don't know. We could be.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I feel badly saying it because she was a lovely woman.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: She was she was. I just I think that there's
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a way you experience the good once you're in the sorority. Yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And I feel like getting into the sorority being your
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: authentic self and not really changing much about you. Sure, yes,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: wash your hair that day.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Blow it out, wash your hair most yah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Well fair about every three but whatever.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like wash your hair, ye, put yourself together
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Sure. Are you going to maybe go
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to the mall and buy an outfit that you probably
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: wouldn't wear in a royal day? Yes, because you're excited
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: put on a cute dress. Wear's something that you feel
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: good in. You know, maybe put on some heels, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you don't need to spend.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Three thousands of dollars. And also, I wonder, like learning
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: how to talk to people is not an interview, right,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: You're not trying to get a job, So I don't
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: know how do you teach that? I guess. I guess
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: there's social skills or a lot of people.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, A big part of the recruitment process
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: is talking to girls and really having that speed dating
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: mentality and having them get to know you in that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minute period. But okay, you'll if you
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: find that connection, you'll connect with the girl in two minutes.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: If you don't find the.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Connection, you move on.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were girls that when I was going through
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that recruitment process that I was like, okay, yeah, I'm
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: over this.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want it to be to keep having
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: this conversation.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: It's getting boring and it does get repetitive because you're
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: having the same conversation with a million different sorority houses.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: But when you feel that connection, those people that you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: vibe with, those are the people and that and the
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: sororities that you want to move forward.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure she does coach that. I'm sure that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: she also says, you know, I would say, if I'm
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to help my daughter to be more
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of a conversationalist, I don't like I would definitely say,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you know, ask questions or I don't know, positives are
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: better than negatives. I don't know, but this seems excessive
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to me, right, yeah, a little bit. I'm sorry, Leslie. Again,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: we could be wrong, Yeah, we could, right, I just
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you can you girls can authentically do
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: this on your own. Yeah, it doesn't need to be
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like all this superficial stuff. I think.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it's okay if you don't get
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: into a sorority.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: It's really okay. You'll be fine.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be. Okay, Yeah, it's gonna be. I can
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: promise you life will throw you a lot of curveballs.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: This one may feel in the moment like it's a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: huge one. I could almost guarantee you're gonna graduate college
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: and you're going to look back at it and you're
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: going to maybe even laugh a little about it. But
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: good luck, I mean good luck all of our listeners.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Seriously, but really, and this is also an expense that
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: most people are not going to.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Just spend on the jail. So there's expense the sorority itself,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: paying the sorority dues. And now you're paying.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Your college tuition, then your books, you know, everything needed.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You're going to spend at least five hundred dollars on
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: textbooks during your first semester going into college. So it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: your tuition, your textbooks, your sorority fee is and then
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: this on top of.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Stepend it feels like it's unlesssary, like something I feel
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: wealthy families do. I wouldn't think that. Yeah, I don't know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: but all right, so my friend, yes, so my sorority sister,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I guess my sister is a five? And what was
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: your whatever? But great, interview. Yes, right, and really interesting.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Really interesting. I mean listen, if it is something that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you have access to and it's something that you want
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: to do, by all means, go for it. But I
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: also feel like you guys can really achieve.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe figure it out on your own.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So this is dirty rush and that is it for today.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I am Jen and I'm Gia. See you next time. Right, guys,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: listen to us. Next time listen see whatever it is.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Bye you next time. Bye,