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Frankenstein · Black Men Can't Jump [In Hollywood]

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did read Mary Wallen Stonecraft Shelley's Frankenstein in high school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or the modern Permitius.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, in high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in high school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I genuinely liked it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I genuinely loved it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially knowing when it was written.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I couldn't tell you right like what things about it stood out to meet them the most but at the time I like thought wow there really needs to be a movie and I start picturing a movie and it's this one that was just me
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, they're like, they're, they're, they're just like, bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, genuinely, I wish I, I wish I had a stronger memory of like, of like, what the book was and what I felt was like not quite happening, but like a kind of gothic romantic sweeping kind of flick is what I was like, oh, I would love for there to be a movie like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember thinking, like, oh, maybe that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the Robert DeNiro one would be, you know, because people were like, that wants closer to the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, oh, what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I did wasn't viding with, with, had DeNiro's performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, oh, I don't know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about this one, but, but yeah, I remember really liking the book as a kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I liked it too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like it was like, wow, this is cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this was written in like the 1800s, and I think it's cool today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it felt different than Shakespeare, which I learned to love later on, but when I was younger, I was like, what the f-up, I see that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, like you don't like, there's something, I don't know, there's something tangible about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas Shakespeare, it's like, it always felt like lofty, and not like, you know, like people would be like, you know, there's witches, and you'd be like, what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or like, there's monsters, and so, you know, like it's done, don't quite, yeah, you look.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also sci-fi, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like crazy to, it's like one of the oldest science fiction, or I don't know, I don't know if that's even true, but it's definitely one of the older ones
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, I mean, this book jump start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it jump starts to one of those things, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It either jump starts sci-fi or jump starts or in a way, or modern or in a way like either one of those, or both in tandem, but but this, you know, at least in my understanding of it, this is like the genesis of a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like because of modern retellings and imagery and Halloween-ish stuff, this was one of those first, I'm actually moments, right, of any young persons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: person who cared about books and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, hey, I'm Frankenstein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um actually actually Frankenstein's monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Frankenstein is the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is the mad scientist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The monster is just called the monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like I was blown away by that realization, when I, when, I think I was like, wait, oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's, oh, the practice time is the pain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That becomes synonymous with a monster and an end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, and then who is the real monster, you know, because maybe all the whole time it was, no, Frankenstein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've said the words so many times that it's not really the thing that's the thing that's, you know, it's just like kind of, just like goodness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a transition, just feels like a Frankenstein.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it used together or the or the modern Prometheus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's just, let's start the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John has been real out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: James, I'm here.
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4:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Blackman can't jump in, Hollywood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hollywood, suit it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're the month's trafficked up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was then him dying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't do it like that in the movie, but I just wanted to just want to understand, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was happening in this moment?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, everyone, to another episode of Black Men can't jump in Hollywood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are a film review podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We review the films of leading Black Actors, talk about the context of race and diversity in Hollywood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes we review films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering how true that is because, well, sometimes we review films of learning actors of color.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, when we review those films,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those actors of color, kind of whitewash themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're white people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, today we are reviewing Frankenstein, 2025, because this movie's been made many times, but this was directed and written or adapted for the screen by Guillermo del Toro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, so let's go Academy Academy Award Winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Best director.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all knows your door roll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it starts Oscar Isaac.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As, as the real monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Game of the toy is Mexican Oscar Isaac is quite a mollin' or is he other things too?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've talked about him a few times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you got a good y'all got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was born in Guatemala.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the most famous Guatemalans are him and Arturo are into the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about that on his episode too, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This, uh, it's a Netflix movie currently has 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, sort of fresh, interesting, and verified hot
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got to say, I'm not, I'm not going to gas this movie up necessarily, but I am surprised that it has an 86% from that's too low for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just surprised because it feels like it's one of those, maybe people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not on the high end, and it's not on the low end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just sort of like, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was just stuff that wasn't quite working enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That it takes it to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just feels like a weird number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I'm a little surprised that the the popcorn meter is as high as it is because it's like it's a little long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's too and I have and I have actually only heard like not positive not necessarily overly negative, but I've only heard like these are the things that I don't like about it type stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So got it it cost 120 million dollars to make.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a lot of money for what's on screen or not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think it's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how much I wouldn't say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some of the cops.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They like used every doubt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all figured this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 125 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, it has a lot of locations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: CGI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some, some, some bigger actors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stars of Oscar Isaac, Jacob Lorty, Kristoff Waltz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mia Gough for you horror fans out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Act.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't stop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She can't play one role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Max.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't give her a single role in your film.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If me a Gotha's in your movie, you got to make sure she planned make sure she has another part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to make sure she's playing multiple people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She is in her writer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm auditioned for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She played multiple people in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was also their mother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, holy, but it's fast enough that like and they don't make a huge deal out of it that's so funny and it makes so much sense now Yeah, yeah, and I only knew going in because I saw people post about it and then I so then I was like looking for and then it was like oh yeah There she is that's her
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, I'm not like, she's not the most recognizable face to me yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just looks familiar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I see her, I'm like, You look familiar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I felt when I first saw her as the sister-in-law.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I did not recognize her as the mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like kind of wearing a veil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And her, she has really stark eyebrows that are doing a lot of work to math.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I didn't introduce us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's usually three of us host this podcast, but you know, he was doing his solo show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's jumping in New York City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's jumping in New York City.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Level of jumping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just still jumping, but just a little different coast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the voice you're listening to now who sounds like somebody who is smart enough to know, don't try to mess with,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let God do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave that to God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Jonathan Brelock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but what everybody needs to also know is while Bre was doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was wagging his finger like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean James that if they figured out a way to upload your consciousness into the cloud that you would you would try to do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a thing of course not, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a thing too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course I don't really want that, but also at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I genuinely would feel like that would have nothing to do with whatever experiencing I'm having right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I still genuinely believe that all of this would be done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so whatever is in the cloud is just a thing that to people that are around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is me, and would have my memories, I don't think it would be you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it would not be me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that I just, even if the science gets advanced to a point of like literally understanding how to extract that, I just, so I just firmly believe that it would be a copy and not a, it would be a replica, it would be a, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But would you allow that then even like in the in the severance way of thinking right of like okay It's not necessarily me, but now you're subjugating a different as something that feels like it is you To this kind of life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want that because I don't want somebody else going around Masquerading is me no matter how much they think and feel like they're me for whatever ones and zeros feel like me
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I also just genuinely feel like I'm going to have so little to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That, that for as much as like, I'm going to say no, it's like, well, well, I'm going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's your problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, do you think that clones of you would be you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like absolutely not Mickey, but I also genuinely think that they would feel like they were me right and and again If it were here right now, I would also hate that like if I'm present and I'm looking at it I would hate that too and that I would have more of a like no, I don't want that, but like and yeah But the concept of like uploading a consciousness
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess there would be a, I guess in sci-fi, they talk about like copy and consciousness too, so like cloning in the, in that sort of same way, but my thought is that like, you know, in the way that they're doing it on the alien show, like, this would stop, all of this would stop, and then the next thing would be, you know, the next thing would have the would have the me, of existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what a weird way to think of it, because I do feel like, I mean, it's whatever version of you is going to 100% think that you are still you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're going to be like, why did I do this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it wasn't going to be me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that next thing would also, yes, would I also believe that, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm saying, but I'm saying that this me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of me that's currently feeling this right now is going to be it's going to be you think that the you to like when you wake up tomorrow morning are you like well that was yes yesterday James that that's not me I just think that there's a difference between like a sleep
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, isn't there like true and like it doesn't like science like you're losing brain like you're constantly you're like losing brain cells and then adding stuff and like like you is not all of the cells and the right and so the like the me today versus the me like is technically different is technically different yeah and that and and yeah but that's just like a faster that's like speeding up that process so like this is slow and so there's
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the me now that simply feels informed by the me that existed before, and building off of and growing off of that, whereas again, like a fully separate body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody is, is another thing that will think and feel like me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then also like, you know, it's gonna not, you know, it's not gonna be this that's talking right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This that's talking right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got fully, I have fully sidetracked and that's my fault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do initial thoughts of Gellymoldo Toro's Frankenstein.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want me to go first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you want to please?
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[SPEAKER_01]: After you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I was, I'll say I was mildly excited about about seeing this mildly only because I was on Netflix and I was about to watch it on Netflix and
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[SPEAKER_01]: As much, I just like, three out of these, like, I'm always like, there's a little bit less excited about Netflix movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't have the desire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a friend who went and saw this in theaters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have had to pay for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, I don't know if I care enough to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead and go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As an AMCA list there, you know, it's rare that I go paid to see movies outside of AMC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, I overall, I liked this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't love it, but I did like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was really captivated in the beginning, and then I think I felt like I trailed off a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that in a weird way, this movie actually does like follow the Mary Shelley Frankenstein,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a certain degree, you know, like there's a lot of big beats in it that it hits, you know, and then fine-tune some other things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the beginning of this movie, the prelude is insanity, but it was very fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's hard because there is something about the beginning of this movie that made it feel like it was like the movie was going to be something else, and then it,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's fine, I think, but I do think it contributed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My lack of interest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I didn't follow like I, um, so yeah, performances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought performances were pretty solid overall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, though I wouldn't say any of these really stuck out to me as like Oscar winning performances or even, you know, Oscar nominated performances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure this movie will get what it, because it is like a big, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I'm sure it'll get some nominations, but I went in the acting categories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you were to nominate one person from this movie, who would it be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess me a goth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I would nominate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, I love Oscar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I think he's an incredible actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, and I thought he was good in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wasn't like, I guess I never, like, there was nothing in this movie that
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[SPEAKER_01]: moved me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, and if I'm being honest, I think the beginning of the movie was my favorite part of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is funny because I'm not even like, I wasn't expecting the beginning of this movie, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wasn't expecting like some crazy action sequence that felt terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I actually didn't I didn't think that that's what I was going to get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I got that and then I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Christophe Waltz is always, always fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think this movie could have benefit from being a little bit shorter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we need to have 150 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, the themes that are explored are the same ones as the book, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like that, it makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah, I liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all in it there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think for the most part, I agree with the way everything you just said, like, I definitely think that the beginning is the most baffling part because when the movies over, you're sort of like, well, wait.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One hour ago, this was happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this, just killing people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is it is it is strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really cool and it does set it like sets up a Ride that I don't think it then delivers on so it's so that Seth I thought was was odd I I enjoyed the the performances I thought I asked guys It and I and I think I've set this before but like I just remember I saw him I saw him do Romeo Julia in the park a million years ago and I remember thinking he was so bad
20:52
[SPEAKER_02]: that almost anyone in it is just annoying, and so almost every time I see him like act as good as he does act, you know, I'm like, wow, I just can't believe how terrible I thought he was, you know, um,
21:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I really liked him in this and watching Frankenstein as a dad was interesting because I read the book, so maybe I consider the father some stuff then, but watching it now and seeing how just angry
21:30
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, isn't behaving the way he wants it to.
21:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, oh my God.
21:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what you didn't, you really didn't think this through.
21:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And this could have gone, the whole thing could have gone better.
21:41
[SPEAKER_02]: If you would have just not been, uh, if not, you know, for a lack of a better word, a monster about it.
21:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was moved by by by a lot of that.
21:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like I said I really love the like look and general feel of this.
21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that some of the in terms of the like themes and stuff and especially that you are the monster line.
22:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it is is laid on on pick in a way that like I just don't think.
22:06
[SPEAKER_02]: like, it's it's sort of it's unfortunate for.
22:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not necessary.
22:13
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need it.
22:13
[SPEAKER_02]: We all know this.
22:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We know we all know Frankenstein.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard puzzle to figure out either.
22:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so some of that and even before we get to that line, some of that stuff is just kind of like like genuinely like off-putting, but that aside like, you know, the thing that I think most moves me about the book is the like shifts of perspective throughout and so I kind of just really like that shape of it and and and and and I and even though like I don't think
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the part that I don't think that we don't agree as much on is that like, even though I don't think it delivers on what it sets up in the beginning, I'm still moved by that by that second half in a way that like that other Frankenstein movies, at least what I've that what I've watched and stuff don't quite I don't quite connect with in the same way that did with this one, right, and I thought Jake Belority's performance was was was was was was great, so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and yeah, and we'll talk about it as we get through it, but throughout it, it being like, it doesn't he kill the this person, and then he's gonna kill the that, and then it was the whole time it was he was never killing, it was all what it looked like, and it was like, oh, am I, is that a change from the book, or is that just like my memory later being like, right, he kills this and this, or memory of other things, you know, but anyway, excited to talk about it.
23:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I like, I just,
23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: plot summary of the book and I mean it's that there's definitely changes.
23:50
[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely killed like he there are people in the movie that he doesn't kill but he does in the book.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: but then there are people in the movie that he does kill that he doesn't in the book, which is interesting.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He kills people in the movie.
24:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But he does like deliberately like like in this, we see him trying to like just sit down and kill people.
24:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where else like I remember him choosing to correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But is that is okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
24:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I like she's also that that's yeah.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just uses to kill the brother in the book.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the movie he can like accidentally kills him and then the brother.
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: as he's dying, it's like it's your fault, which I was like, that, I think that part of the movie is when I was like, what, I doesn't make any sense.
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what, the brother has a no animation about this, like to be saying that in this moment.
24:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I just think it like the tragedy of this all is like a thing that's only been alive for X amount of months.
25:09
[SPEAKER_02]: choosing to end a life for whatever reason it has, but I think to take that out, like, because the other carnage is just kind of like a carnage.
25:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you know, but like, but the, you know, they're shooting at him, blah, blah, whatever.
25:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But like to be like, uh, you are going to die.
25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I don't know.
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that can be impactful in a way that I don't think, I don't why, why would you cut those teeth?
25:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't why, why.
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fascinating.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so yeah, let's talk.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the movies broken up into three powers.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: We got the prelude.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So the prelude is essentially these people or in the Arctic, they're stuck in the ice.
25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They hear, they see an explosion out on the ice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They go there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They see Victor.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very badly injured.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a prosthetic leg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like,
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And stab, there's blood everywhere, they're like, oh God, what happened?
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Who did this?
26:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And they hear the monster, they're like, oh God, let's get out of here.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They go back to the boat, the monster follows them there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're shooting at it, doesn't go down, they're shooting at again, doesn't go down.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he starts just murdering people left and right.
26:27
[SPEAKER_01]: he hits a guy in the guy bins in half of the hits and the guy hits and he just bins in half was like oh my god then they like get back on to the ship he's like killing people they're he's like demanding for victor they don't want to give a you know the captain doesn't want to give him over
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They take out this, like, London gun or whatever the heck that I was called, that was kind of cool.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They shoot him off the ship.
26:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still alive.
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Then at this point in the movie, I was like, oh, we're getting a different movie.
27:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is not gonna be Frankenstein.
27:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he winds up tipping over a ship, like an iron tank, like this ship is massive.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this massive ship that's stuck in ice and he's like about to like flip the whole ship over and I was like He's gonna capsize.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally was like wait a minute.
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: How strong is he like this is crazy?
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But like this amount of strength is like is I mean this is clearly way more strength than I think Mary Shelley ever had it for this guy
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: same, but then they shoot him and he goes into the ice and then Victor's like let me tell you my story which is a which is kind of a book yeah and so then we go into first eye which is Victor's story and we see him in his mom is mom is dressed in all red so that you know she's gonna die
28:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Gamma does almost like, just want you all to know that this person's about to be out of this woman.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really like the, you know, Gamma has such a great aesthetic.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because like costume designs and production designs are always so good and I felt the same about this.
28:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's genuinely gorgeous.
28:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, and, you know, we're like seeing, we're seeing him at, we're seeing Victor as a kid.
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's like a playful, happy colluciness sort of happening to the beginning.
28:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that I thought was really nice.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't like his dad is that his mean.
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And he loves his mom.
28:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost.
28:52
[SPEAKER_02]: What is he say to he says something like, I gave you my name.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now you have to earn it or whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I gave you my names.
29:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to earn it.
29:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to earn it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to earn it.
29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to earn it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to earn it.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to earn it.
29:19
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of this whole the whole childhood artist movie I liked it I liked sort of seeing an early getting this kind of seeds of an early obsession with with eternal life or or or reviving or or whatever and it but but like but especially in this I just didn't remember this at all but especially if this is if this is pulled directly from the book but especially it being like
29:46
[SPEAKER_02]: you failed in your as a as a surgeon you know as a doctor you failed in the way you failed is you couldn't prevent death right so and so now I'm gonna be better than you in this very specific way which is
30:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, that's, that I loved that.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fascinating.
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fascinating.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I did love that.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved how, like, they kind of showed that's why he became obsessed.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also how his younger brother was like happy go lucky.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't remember his mom.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't have that same kind of way in Goth, like attributes to him.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they got into a little bit more detail and I don't even know.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the book maybe quite does this, but it's like what it's like I get the obsession with trying to solve death but reanimating a corpse and creating new life from people who were once dead.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that getting you and?
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Was that your intention?
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: or is your intention eventually to become when somebody dies, I can bring them back to life?
31:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's like, it's like kind of implied.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, we never quite get there and we never talk about the fact that like who is this person that he's brought back to life?
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And like he doesn't know and kind of seems to not care, but that part of the Frankenstein,
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I wish like this movie or any movie would like like talk about that more, you know?
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's such a different thing.
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
31:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Then just like I can create life.
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because when I'm like, especially, it's underscored by Christoph Waltz's character being like, you must now save me, put me in my brain or whatever, however it is that he says it.
32:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, and that was, it's only on the table, the night it has to happen.
32:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That just feels like a thing that you are planning for, you're building to, you're whatever, but like, but it, but it not sort of really being a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it also not, sort of even being something that Victor is cognizant of, you know, is it, I do find that interesting, but I do also wish, like to get to your point that like, yeah, they would explore it more, you know.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like we see him when we kind of jump to him as an adult and he's making this presentation in front of this school board and showing them that they that he could re animate a torso, which is crazy.
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was insane and it catches and it like listens, he like tells it to drop it and it listens and you're just like, oh my god.
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: and understandably a lot of these people are freaked out, though there are a lot of people also cheering for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I really appreciated that.
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciated the number of people in the chambers that were just like, it full support of it.
33:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's so, it would just be the strangest thing you ever saw.
33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It would just be, world, it changes your perspective on everything.
33:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So the, I thought it was a nice touch that so many people were just thrilled by it.
33:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it just, like, floored by it on his side.
33:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You just almost never see that when stuff like this happens.
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost immediately only shunned and, and whatever.
33:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and then also seeing there was something also interesting about seeing how Victor had no kind of remorse or any kind of empathy, sympathy towards the creature.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He would he just would pull out the receptors and allow it to stop.
34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you just gave it an apple.
34:22
[SPEAKER_02]: You brought it back to life.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just it was alive.
34:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You killed it and I I did love like Guillermo made it a point to to consistently show that Victor was so uncaring towards other people like when he's like
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: there's this giant execution line and he's like looking at different people to like, and he's like looking at them and like, oh, they smell or whatever, but he's just like, oh, yeah, this body will be good.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he has no feeling towards any of these people when they're out in the like a war field and he's just like picking at bodies and whatever, it's just all scientific to him.
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no thought going
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Like should he have a right to do this like you know what I mean like using other people's bodies to like duck his freaking crazy experiments and all this stuff and I do like the obsession was so clearly there and I again I just kind of wish that they like there was a little bit more.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we're supposed to get it a lot of it in this scene with him and me a go where.
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He meets his brothers' wife, and he's immediately enamored with her instantly.
35:46
[SPEAKER_02]: She ain't even turned around yet, the music was like, he's feeling something, the butterflies are happening.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's really, he becomes kind of obsessed with her when she starts.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, debating him on an intellectual, uh, you know, there's like desire there from that.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And she basically has this conversation with him where she laughs when he's talking about what he's going to do or what he's done already and what he wants that is planning on doing.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And
36:23
[SPEAKER_01]: When does he say something about vision or I don't know, she was just kind of like, oh, my idea is laughable and she's just like ideas are great, but then like.
36:35
[SPEAKER_01]: in the hands of the wrong people, what do they become?
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have this idea of like a nation and glory and you know, honor whatever, but then like on the battlefield, there's a bunch of people getting killed doing the bidding of people who never fight in wars and they're sitting comfortably at home.
36:56
[SPEAKER_01]: which I was like, okay, but then we never quite go into, okay, so then like, what about what he's doing?
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are the ramifications of that?
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like she never quite, we never quite get into that?
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in watching that, it's just sort of like, it's like, she is heavily implying like, you know?
37:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you know, at what costs or whatever, you know, and of your, of your grand idea, but without saying,
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: without saying any of those things.
37:28
[SPEAKER_02]: For as much as there, for as much as like, this the movie is like on the nose about you are the monster.
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It like didn't want to have any of those conversations.
37:42
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, you could have just talked about, like, you know, what what what it mean to make a man and what is and and and of what parts in a blah, blah, blah and and then and just.
37:54
[SPEAKER_02]: literally talk that out, but instead it's like, no, we'll just sort of let him have those.
38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it's interesting.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially given the time, right?
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a lot of like science versus science versus faith or theology or, you know, and like,
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: are the two diametrically opposed and this book was written in the age of enlightenment reason and the idea that we could the scientific method like could replace God and and and we become more intelligent species.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So those debates start happening while
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: religions still played a very major part in politics and shaping the world and influencing people.
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, all those things are still true.
38:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like, I don't know, like that, that stuff is kind of interesting, but then there is the step beyond that, beyond like, you shouldn't be playing God, right?
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That beyond the religious aspect of it and moral on the
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: ethical, you know, human morality of it of like, what is the purpose of your, your pursuits, your scientific endeavors, is it actually going to benefit humanity or is it going to cause more problems?
39:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we live in an age where,
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: We should be asking ourselves that question all the time, and we don't, you know?
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, with AI, that's being thought about now to a great degree of like, should we be doing this thing?
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, will we, are we writing our own end kind of, all those fears and whatnot?
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, you know, I was always fascinated by the fact that he's like trying to,
39:54
[SPEAKER_02]: create life, reanimate these corpses, but like, for what purpose, you know, and I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,
40:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's just like I want to do it, you know, let me make it happen and to me to that same point I found it interesting that like later
40:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we sort of see, it's like, I made life.
40:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, now what is it, you know, we'll speak.
40:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you speak, be a perfect, be a perfect person?
40:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I found it interesting that like even cut to later when he does finally see like a fully realized man.
40:40
[SPEAKER_02]: There isn't even a moment of, you, you did it.
40:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was like, that isn't even what he wanted.
40:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, wait, let me sort of implies like this is the thing that he wants, but then you don't even see him have have that moment.
40:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So what did he want it's it's sort of always becomes a question of what did he want to do besides just
41:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It, you know, and what does that mean?
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and, okay, so to me, this is kind of the murky as part of the movie, because we get, you know, it criss off lots of characters and choose and is like, I can give you unlimited funding and he like strikes this deal with him, knowing that he has to do one favor.
41:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know what it is in the future.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets his brother involved in this, even though his brother isn't white.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the purpose of it, and then obviously,
41:33
[SPEAKER_01]: his sister-in-law, he's like falling in love with.
41:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's entertaining it in a way that is complicated and I wish that we actually, but more words to her because it's like, she is doing, there is something about him that is appealing to her and yet in these other moments, we just kind of get full condemnation of him.
41:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, but like speak to the part of yourself
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like a good monologue about choice and how she doesn't have it or she made her choice already in her choice was to be with the with the brother regardless of if that's what she wanted or whatever ball blah, but like I still kind of with them like yeah, but what are you.
42:22
[SPEAKER_01]: What about him are you interested in, right?
42:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what about him are you.
42:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's that underneath he's a monster.
42:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
42:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And see, and that's what she, she's, she can't, she can't voice that.
42:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what she was really into.
42:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she realized that's what she wants.
42:36
[SPEAKER_02]: She actually connected with the creature.
42:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Once she actually, she was like, wait, hold on.
42:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Full one.
42:40
[SPEAKER_01]: She does kind of.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: She does have hearts for the creature.
42:43
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit doesn't she?
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the way that is.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: This is why really.
42:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It made no sense.
42:48
[SPEAKER_02]: She was very into it, very into.
42:50
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, this is actually what I've actually been looking for by whole because she didn't know and she thought it was William who is the most, you know, that's milk toast, that's the most pure like that's that's William this is like, wait no Victor Victor got some darkness in him.
43:05
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a monster of really then the creature shows up and she's like, hold on.
43:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that 14 different faces on your face?
43:18
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I have been looking for That and I think that that's what it is they need they need of course they could be it was all in a action
43:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Needless to say, this movie does not pass the Beckdale test.
43:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because Mia Goth plays the only women.
43:37
[UNKNOWN]: So you could.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It can't pass the test because she played the only women and they never shared a scene together.
43:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could be the only other.
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally the only other woman in this movie is just like a name is a naked woman who's being drawn and then like walks away.
43:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh that's right.
43:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I guess the family, we had the little family.
43:58
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a little woman in the family too, but yet now the movie doesn't pass back down to us.
44:04
[UNKNOWN]: Dang.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just like like now to be fair, her character is in belt.
44:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like in Mary's cellies.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: because he doesn't remember somebody and gets killed.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like he marries, he winds up, Victor winds up marrying some, and the creature's like, I'm gonna kill your bride on your wedding night, and then he does.
44:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, see?
44:25
[SPEAKER_01]: This won't stand.
44:27
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I kept being like, Lindsey gonna, doesn't he choose to kill?
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does.
44:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So the movie lost me a little bit with this whole, like, okay, so we,
44:39
[SPEAKER_01]: We get this cool scene sequence of him about to create this monster in this thunderstorm.
44:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Thufflots reveals that he has syphilis and he's dying.
44:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants his brain to be put into the monster.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Victor refuses because he's like, your brain is diseased.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's in your blood.
44:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Every it affects every organ.
44:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't I can't like this is my one chance to do this thing.
45:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not going to use some disease brain again completely
45:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It is like that's like I don't know like what you mean I can't put your sick brain I can't put your sick brain in his reanimated man I can't do it.
45:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't put a saddle
45:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw me going around picking all the people I smell this man's breath and I could smell that whatever whatever disease was on his breath I could smell that was like, oh man, not him.
45:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You know I can't use your disease Brain no offense, but I can't use your disease brain.
45:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I just I simply can't
45:42
[SPEAKER_01]: A few lines up getting into a fight with him because he was going to like throw one of the rods down He criss off wall swans of falling and bus his brain opens So no more brain to you may say we saw that Make sure we saw it.
45:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he picked him up.
46:00
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw him picked him up.
46:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that fell out.
46:03
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to see that We really did it.
46:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not the whole movie the whole movie the whole movie game I could be in life when can I just throw in some unnecessary
46:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And he can't find his spots.
46:14
[SPEAKER_02]: They're really good.
46:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, I'm brain-gulped.
46:18
[SPEAKER_00]: These wolves, right?
46:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Later on, I was just like, I never, I never seen a freaking pack of wolves.
46:24
[SPEAKER_00]: This vicious and this bold, you know?
46:27
[SPEAKER_02]: The creature skinned a wolf.
46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He bitches, skinned a wolf.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, this is the peat of fame.
46:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Got to be against this.
46:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's easy.
46:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it was like,
46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It was no exactly, but they're like, you know, I'm the Peter Fam, like, hey, no violence against animals, like even if you go, you know what I mean?
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was just like, I'm sure they don't like it, but it's not quite the same fight as, like, don't use real animals in your movies, which is real dope.
47:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, real, real dope.
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there was real animal abuse in movies, especially with horses.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:07
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
47:09
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But you said this part lost you you were lost so the reason I got lost is because Okay, so he creates this monster and them in the in the it works or it works, but he doesn't realize it works.
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He He thinks it didn't work.
47:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes to sleep.
47:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He wakes up the monsters there.
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Now in the real book when he creates the monster, he's scared of it.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He runs away.
47:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the and then he comes back in the creatures gone.
47:36
[SPEAKER_01]: In this movie, he's like, I did it.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of, he's like fast, he's like a little bit scared at first, but then he's like, all right, I have it.
47:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And then immediately he's like trying to teach it things.
47:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And immediately says his name.
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, he's like Victor and he's like Victor, great, great.
47:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, for an unnamed reason, you can't say any other words, just,
48:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like okay, I don't quite understand that but sure and then he's like trying to teach things and then like all of a sudden we cut to this thing and they're like I've been there for weeks and I was like weeks what why what do we do like at this point I was just like I don't get it team made the creature okay so it's not perfect
48:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like what's the what's the end again?
48:29
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the end game here like you needed it to to speak, but like couldn't like isn't it doing enough to get people interested?
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: to give you more funding.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You would think like if you just animated a torso and it got one person to be like, I'm gonna give you money.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think this creature is gonna animate like, I don't know.
48:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess the thought is that like, and now that I talk to that lot, I don't even think that this would have worked, but I imagine the thought is like, unless I now present, you know, man as we know them to be,
49:07
[SPEAKER_02]: then I'm only going to get ridiculed by like the people he wants to convince are the people who already think that you shouldn't do this.
49:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It's against God.
49:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But if he's like, well, then if I can if I can fully replicate what God has done, you know, then that's the only way I'm going to win these people.
49:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I can imagine, right?
49:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But then the thought is like, if they thought that the reanimating of the corpse was trickery,
49:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what are they going to think of the torso is trickery?
49:36
[SPEAKER_02]: What are they going to think of?
49:37
[SPEAKER_02]: They just see a full piece of man talking, like are they going to even think?
49:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to even allow themselves to think that they're looking at a reanimating course?
49:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
49:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't even know.
49:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea where you go from here.
49:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
49:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Victor Frank.
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: My thing is to those like he knew why or at least he suspected why it's not as intelligent as he wanted it to be.
50:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's because of
50:02
[SPEAKER_01]: the rod was damaged.
50:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
50:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I guess that's fine.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, like, so he was like hiding out of this place and then finally his brother, sister law come to see him.
50:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't, he's, I don't know what his plan was here.
50:21
[SPEAKER_01]: She winds up discovering the monster, even though I think he was going to show them
50:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Why was that what happened?
50:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And also how is it that there's only three of you?
50:37
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you lose sight of a whole other There's only three of you here just always be in the same room if you don't want them to see it Yeah, why'd you let's do that here on stuff.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was weird and then they were like, hey, oh, okay It's like frightened and why do you have a chained up and she's he's just like well, yeah, I mean to protect him and myself
51:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is a little bit of like, the ethics in the moral should be coming in like, hey, so like, is this a person because if it is like, isn't this kind of messed up, that you have this thing just chained up and you're like beating it.
51:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then yeah, then of course, you know, she gets mad about it.
51:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like convinces the brother to get her out of there because he at one point,
51:31
[SPEAKER_01]: is hitting it because he's just mad that it just keeps saying Victor and it.
51:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he realizes, oh, this thing could kill me like easily and I should probably kill it.
51:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So he tries.
51:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we see him is this is this when we see him is this when we see him is this when we see him been the the rod or is that later.
51:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that's he like what's I see him been the rod.
51:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Once I see him in the right, I'm like, it's chasing good enough.
51:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk.
51:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need to be exact.
51:56
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to talk about this.
51:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm gonna let you out?
51:58
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
51:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And now let's just chat.
52:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
52:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if all he can say is victim.
52:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine with that.
52:05
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
52:05
[SPEAKER_02]: What you want to do?
52:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Where you want to go?
52:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
52:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if he can bend that thing, ease, it was easy.
52:12
[SPEAKER_02]: If he can bend that easy, then what can he do to me?
52:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
52:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, did we ever get an explanation of, of, because I know we saw the sea where he cuts his hand and then it grows and he's like, oh, it grew.
52:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he explain what's the nation for why he regenerates?
52:31
[SPEAKER_02]: We do, we, and it's something in the science, something in the, in the, in the, yeah, the, the, the Wolverine kind of regeneration annoyed me a little bit, because that was just like, what are we?
52:45
[SPEAKER_01]: How did he create some sort of super human thing?
52:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
52:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And is that is the monsters inability?
52:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the creatures inability to die a part of the book?
52:58
[SPEAKER_02]: That I feel because I've recently read a graphic novel that's like set in the Frankenstein universe, but it's, but it's,
53:08
[SPEAKER_02]: like a century later or something, centuries later, rather than that a century, centuries later, and Frank sign his underwater until the year like 2300 or something.
53:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, is that, is that building from the Lord?
53:26
[SPEAKER_02]: That's already existed?
53:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like I'm thinking the whole time was watching this.
53:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would think like, you know, oh, if he is made of dead people, you could animate him again,
53:38
[SPEAKER_02]: feels crazy to me because it is it is dead tissue that he has made up of that has that has been re-electrified, but then what else, you know, like what, like, you know, we, we, what are the elixirs?
53:57
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the formula?
53:58
[SPEAKER_02]: What is what's allowing that to happen?
54:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, which is accepting it.
54:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like,
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: it made for this weird thing because then like why is he running like why why like why is he running away from victor like he never had to like he shouldn't be afraid of him i don't think he runs because he's afraid of victor does he does he ever run because he's afraid of victor i feel like he run in the way because he's just like but no i in the movie i feel like yeah i actually don't understand why he's running away in the movie
54:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because in the movie it's just sort of like, and I'm making him this kind of all powered kind of thing and that he like he is on this kind of tear was only interesting to me and that it sort of really highlights his inability to just kill Victor, you know, he could have just killed Victor at any point, but he is seemingly not interested in that
54:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He clearly, a clear Vendetta, a clear like if this doesn't work, I'm coming for you, you know.
55:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but Victor's pursuit of him was almost like, to me, at least it read like it didn't read the like the creature was running away from Victor, it read like Victor was pursuing the creature because, you know, maybe I'll be able to finally put it down.
55:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to put down this thing that I, that I brought into the world, right?
55:26
[SPEAKER_02]: But the chase never read to me like that the that the creature was like let me get away from from Victor who will hurt me it was more like I just I can't look at you.
55:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't what or whatever, but I don't know because they don't go it They don't talk about it.
55:42
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I wish and yeah, maybe he was just like trying to he's just trying to He's not trying to run away in a ceremony.
55:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like he's like I want to be left alone and like go on my own Yeah
55:54
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I feel like I do wish the movie did a little bit better was like show us It kind of implied that a like Franken's not like the Frankenstein creature
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: always knew that it was scary to other people, but like, I don't know if we ever really got to see that, and I actually would have enjoyed, I know in like one of the movies, yeah, he's like with the little girl, right?
56:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And the little girl likes him or whatever, and then everybody else is scared of him, right?
56:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he then he learns like, oh, everybody's scared of me.
56:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But in this movie, he's already like,
56:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't meet.
56:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he gets shot when he's in the, I guess maybe that's the, that's the scene we're supposed to understand it.
56:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And we later realized that he has kind of lost the memory of whatever was going on at the, you know, crazy.
56:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is not retaining, like I don't know if it's that he's lose he loses memory once he's underwater or once he's died, I guess because he
57:02
[SPEAKER_02]: but it's either that he has like lost his memory or that like his body is like retaining memory.
57:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I guess in the way in the way that like a child wouldn't, you know, doesn't really remember trauma, you know?
57:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess like we're supposed to learn from that scene where those hunters like kill a deer in front of him and then shoot him that he's like, oh, like every human's gonna be scared of me, but I, I don't know, I just wish that scene was done a little bit better so that he had the child like innocence
57:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, thinking he would be okay and then realizing that people were just automatically scared of him.
57:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's hiding.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He witnesses the family.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: This is very much like the book and then he introduces himself to the blind father, becomes friends with the father.
57:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But then he, you know,
57:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he goes, the find is, I don't even, I, this, I was just like completely unexplained about how all of a sudden he's just like back at home.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Back where he came from and like finds the letter and deduces like who Victor is and where he lives in his entire past.
58:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, all right, whatever, then comes back in the wolves have killed the blind dead.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right, that too, I guess, how the wolves can inside this house.
58:18
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't want, they did not want the blind man to stay there while they were gone.
58:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the thought is that like, it was gonna happen if he's there by himself.
58:32
[SPEAKER_02]: The wolves were gonna, you know, that's why they don't want him to, they didn't want him to stay there.
58:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, alone.
58:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my man was reading my man went from flashcards to reading the entire Bible
58:49
[SPEAKER_02]: to reading paradise flow.
58:51
[SPEAKER_02]: My man, he was like sitting there like I was the Amanda.
58:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I am Ozzy Mandies.
58:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, but how?
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's not just, he can't, not only did he learn how he's like now in like a supremely intelligent, like whatever.
59:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yo.
59:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of in the book anyway, but I, so okay.
59:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But, and it's even less, it's even less explained in the book, right?
59:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause it's just like, he got a hold of a Bible and the next thing you knew, he read the whole thing.
59:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I need the flash cards at least give me the flash cards with the words at least give me that yeah We don't get the scene with Frank it's not in a little girl Um, they come to that He also kill some of these people who think that he just killed
59:40
[SPEAKER_01]: the, they're dad rightly so.
59:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I hate at that.
59:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, Tim, and he doesn't, and he doesn't try to explain himself.
59:48
[SPEAKER_02]: What you would think he would, I know.
59:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess maybe they want to, maybe they want to just have it be, because he says in his narration, like I just came to understand that some things will always have violence between the way of the world.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like we'll didn't hate the shit that out loud.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, the wolf didn't hate this even, but he could have said that out loud to like if we're supposed to believe that that that the creature has humanity, then you would think any element of like trying to explain yourself before going to kill what would happen.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't like that part either.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then he was like, now I'm going to go and find Victor and force him to make me a bride.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Not actually a bride, just a competitor.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's where we get ready for this.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, a bride.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bride.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_02]: We know what we're picking up when you put that pick it up.
1:00:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, that doesn't go well.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he gets an angry and he's like, fine, I'll be the monster that you think I am.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of like, well,
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of always where this month.
1:01:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know man.
1:01:04
[SPEAKER_02]: This creature and the people at the farm.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You have three people at the farm.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a child without a father now because of you.
1:01:13
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I don't know.
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no man, it didn't take too much.
1:01:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't take too much to tip you over until I'm going to start murdering people.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Territory.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, he pulls out that guy's throat.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just remembered that.
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I just remembered that.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, also I was mad at this too because I thought he doesn't he choke out the bride.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that what he does?
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't he because and then beginning when she does the like I make I make sound for my throat.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, all right, we're doing the foreshadowing we're foreshadowing that he's about to he's going to strangle this one later or whatever.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess they just didn't want to do it.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, instead Victor kills him, Victor kills her.
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever man.
1:02:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he kills the brother.
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can maybe Mr. Membring, but.
1:02:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:02:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, yeah, this may be mad a little bit.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He kills it because it's a different relationship.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_01]: The monster kills Victor's bride in the book.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's it is for revenge.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_01]: because Victor refuses to make him a companion because he, they do it in this movie too.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, wait a minute, you want me to make you compare you to what you're going to reproduce.
1:02:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're going to take over the world with your freaking monster babies.
1:02:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell no.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_02]: really understands, there's like a, they don't, the logic of it isn't fully fleshed out, but I for an eye is really like, oh, this happened, well, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it right back to you, you know, like that, it's, that's, it's, it's one of the few things that there's like, fully like, this is my process, this is a process.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, sorry, it's hardwired into our
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like, like, you know, I just don't get, we're sympathetic for this new life.
1:03:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if it does something, you know, something monstrous, like something evil, something whatever.
1:03:45
[SPEAKER_02]: We would still sort of be like, damn, why did he?
1:03:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, not to make it about Jurassic Park.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, the Jurassic World to me, you know,
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that they, I feel most of all, like, I feel nothing for any of the humans, the only thing I feel something for is, is this dominant Rex who just gets, who just gets murdered for being, for being new.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_01]: come on I didn't it didn't I was doing on a killing spree you didn't I mean a killed a killed all those dinosaurs too He didn't just kill human had to figure out it had to figure out what's going on.
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I guess I'm I guess on the big man on campus You did yeah, but it was killing dinosaurs for no reason.
1:04:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like eating them or anything It was just like just killing it to see what was inside it.
1:04:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It needed to please I think it was a killing machine
1:04:39
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they made a monster.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't ask for it.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_02]: All I'm saying was it didn't ask for this.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't ask for this.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And neither did you.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't ask to be created.
1:04:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Creature didn't ask for this.
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, those men that the creature were made out of went to war of their own accord, right?
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know what the laws were like.
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So what are you trying to say?
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you trying to tell our god to our heavenly creator?
1:05:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man, we didn't ask to be here.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't be.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Look.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna see what I'm gonna start.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you gotta see here.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_00]: This you made us.
1:05:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
1:05:21
[SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, at the end of the day, why are you judging me for what I did?
1:05:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked to be up here.
1:05:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked to be, you judging me.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You judging.
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel you.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel you.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I'ma do what I think I should do.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't, you can't, if it's, it makes me feel good.
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
1:05:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just how I feel, you know, yeah, this is all the part of Frankenstein's story.
1:05:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot when we get to the the explosion at the lab, that was the end of Oscar story in Frankenstein, of course shows up at the boat and it's like, oh, we told you your story.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you, bye.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after his story, I was kind of like, I don't know,
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should die so.
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want it that I just want you just want it that camp to be like combination.
1:06:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Like gun to the back of his head like sure.
1:06:30
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you can regrow, but maybe if we just keep shooting you in the head and just move your guts over there.
1:06:39
[SPEAKER_02]: When, okay, so this is what I thought.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is what I thought Guillermo was going to do, okay, to your point of talking about going to the head and maybe we just keep trying to.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I literally, I genuinely thought with the dynamite, we were going to see pieces scatter.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_02]: and then climb back together.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm not going to put it past you to that.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to see sinews.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're like, but like, like a mix between Terminator and what happened at the beginning of Beetlejuice.
1:07:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:07:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Beetlejuice.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_02]: where, but like, but like, we were going to see tendrils, like, coming out and like, and connect, I genuinely thought he was going to do that.
1:07:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was actually upset that he didn't.
1:07:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was still a cool image to see him on fire and stuff.
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I am alive again or whatever the narration was.
1:07:34
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was like, I had to see a man's throat get ripped out, but you can't show me, you can't show me the creature dismantled and coming back together again.
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't quite understand why, yeah, I was like, man, that dynamite wasn't that strong.
1:07:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, however, we saw a massive plume of fire.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, and yet, she was in tech, he was in tech.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_02]: My man's clothes was still on.
1:08:06
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, not actually way to make it.
1:08:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Why was his clothes like you know why?
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_01]: you know why it's closed was fine all right all right and then uh and then yeah then ask her just pursue some to the end of the earth and uh and here we are we started the end of the end askers like you know what now that you told me your story I am sorry sorry about that man sorry about that bro can you forgive me?
1:08:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like, yeah, I got you, but I like it even less now and I did not like it when I watched it.
1:08:48
[SPEAKER_02]: He just said I got you done.
1:08:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I got you my bad man.
1:08:53
[SPEAKER_01]: My bad man.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my bad to you bro.
1:08:55
[SPEAKER_01]: My bad to you.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You just killed four sailors.
1:09:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
1:09:02
[SPEAKER_01]: six you just killed six sailors and probably what you are to probably two more when he when he got back right where he was got up on when he got up under the boat yeah probably at least two more so maybe it probably ate at this time anyway I didn't like and I love and then the ship's captain's like
1:09:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a, glad you guys both did this.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you know what, maybe I should give up my pursuit of finding the North Pole or going home.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, am I just like care about the idea of this?
1:09:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I exactly, I appreciate the thought of like being like, you share my madness, like, you know, you're gonna keep going out and see, you know, this, you're already, you're, you're, you've, you crashed onto the ice, everyone's dead, you know, if you keep going, you're, if you get free, you're gonna keep going and all that.
1:09:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I did appreciate that, but also at the same time, it was like, you can't, you cannot possibly look
1:10:06
[SPEAKER_02]: No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_02]: eight of your sailors are dead because of this thing that I get it you know shouldn't exist and is a tragic kind of story and blah, blah, blah, but don't look at it wistfully.
1:10:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't look at it wistfully.
1:10:36
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem that I have.
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the like, goodbye.
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he nods to him as he walks in.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's like, no, no, no.
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just, he's just a misunderstood soul.
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I don't know, man.
1:10:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Charlie thinks he's misunderstood when he ripped his jaw.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha.
1:10:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when he took Bartholomew and snapped him in half like a twig?
1:11:07
[SPEAKER_01]: What exactly do you want me to tell Bartholomew's wife about this?
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he told me his tail.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Bartholomew and they didn't, and Guillermo was like, I'ma do this part in slow motion.
1:11:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I'ma do the he told me his tail.
1:11:20
[SPEAKER_02]: He told me his tail.
1:11:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
1:11:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it was like it was sort of like a modern premier season.
1:11:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Come to think.
1:11:30
[UNKNOWN]: Come to think.
1:11:30
[UNKNOWN]: Come to think.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Come to think.
1:11:31
[SPEAKER_02]: If I had to give it a, you know, if I had to describe it, you know, in a nice,
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, well.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It was good though.
1:11:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It was good.
1:11:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It was good.
1:11:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I like I was I don't know why.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, I do know why I was comparing it to Nostroatu and the reason why obviously is because these are both kind of in the classic universal monster kind of universe.
1:11:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So which I didn't see should I should I watch Nostroatu I've only heard.
1:12:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I only heard bad things.
1:12:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I like Nostroatu more than I like
1:12:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I know why the people who didn't like most for our two first different reasons, but I enjoyed it and I think that movies has that would be also has flaws But anyway Yeah, but it's like this.
1:12:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like I only heard bad things about this and then I watched it and I was like well, I don't like certain sure, but I yeah, it's still solid It's entertaining.
1:12:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay I did fall asleep, but I had to I woke up in the middle night and had to watch him.
1:12:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I didn't say what it was like
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I wasn't that quite that late, but I did fall asleep and then I woke up and then I was like, let me watch the last 25 minutes and then test a woke up and then she came in and she's like, looking at me like I was crazy.
1:12:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I really fell asleep and put it back on.
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I just rewatched it back to back.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me look in.
1:12:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what that's like?
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me see it again.
1:13:00
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
1:13:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's time for the cause, you're right and we do feel so busy and how much we like to it.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't like what I'm about to give this.
1:13:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to say it right there.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what I'm about to give.
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Leading actors of color.
1:13:18
[SPEAKER_01]: This, if it fully helps the cause, white, a palm, a black fist, if it fully ups the cause, a white palm of it kind of does nothing if it doesn't really at all.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_01]: count of three.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not like them.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to say one more time before I do this.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just I just wanted to be voice.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I said it maybe three times that I do not like it.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm about I got it.
1:13:37
[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, three.
1:13:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you get a black fist.
1:13:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave it a white poem, and you don't like the way why you did it, but you did it.
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the reason I don't like it is because while we are watching this movie, I texted the chat and I said, he's white in this.
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_02]: We got a post poem.
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, you know, it's Guillermo del Toro.
1:14:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Oscar Isaac.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_02]: We have these, you know, ethnic men at the forefront of this.
1:14:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I feel like I have to give it, uh, I felt like I want to give that a fist, because I, I want there to be more, you know, just more movies like like this.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_02]: white, you know, presenting.
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and but that is not to say that they do have not had their challenges.
1:14:40
[SPEAKER_02]: They've could they have course have, right?
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And and we've given this I can't remember if we oh yeah, we did shape of water, right?
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_02]: We did.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_02]: We do shape of water.
1:14:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.
1:14:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then you know, I think we've given did we?
1:14:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we did because that's a patreon early.
1:14:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, baby.
1:14:58
[SPEAKER_02]: But um, you know, we've given fist to Guillermo before we've given fist to Oscar Isaac before, um, but it just, it did, this one did feel a little weird to me.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why that's why I feel weird about giving it a fist.
1:15:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It just felt a little weird about it in terms of like what we're talking about, but I, but I,
1:15:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But I support my people of color, I support my minorities, I support my ethnic men and women and non-gender conforming, gender non-conforming, et cetera, folk out there.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So black fists for movies with them at the forefront.
1:15:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I gave it a white palm because, I mean, obviously, Oscar Isaac is a person of color.
1:15:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great that he got to do this.
1:15:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it's a privilege of him being white passing.
1:15:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is like a vending machine for me, where is it the same if you can if people don't know, you know, and and you know, we've talked about this with Oscar, I said before, but he did changes name so that a little bit of his, you know,
1:16:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, you know, if he was just a little bit darker skinned, you know, would he be able to play this role?
1:16:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:16:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so that's, you know, white, white palm.
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